>Game has literal pay to win DLCs >Nobody ever says a thing

>>381709770
Is the game balanced around the p2w dlc? No? Then ignore it.

>>381709770
I beat this game without even knowing there was paid DLC

well if you're paying for it better damn be good

>>381709770
>He had to literal pay to win
Look at this casual scum

Freeshop dumbo

I don't mind the equipment ones but the macca and app farming ones are straight up pay to win alright.

>>381709770
This game is shit. Hopefully 5 will be more like Nocturne and on a competent console like Sony.

>>381709770
Whiny bitch

>>381709770
1. You don't need it to complete the game
2. it's not multiplayer
3. go fuck yourself

>>381712263
It's not shit, though. There are elements of Nocturne that I hope are incorporated into the new SMT though.

>>381712263
Nocturne isn't all that great, though it has some pretty cool shit going for it, but it is nowhere near as god-tier as some people say it is.

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>>381712694
>muh power of friendship
>muh fuccboi trap design
>muh gamebreaking dlc
>no character models or animations
Sorry mate but Final was a huge disappointment in every thing but music.

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>>381712860
Nocturne is easily the best SMT. I don't know how anyone could rate Apocalypse or IV better.

I used the Cleopatra DLC because there were no other magical based demons that had a decent amount of health. I was getting tired of the rest of my magical demons getting one shotted by the bosses. I also happen to like big tits.

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>>381709770

>game has literal password system that lets you download the perfect demon at any moment you want as long as you have the money ingame
>nobody ever says a thing because "babby's first SMT game" trumps every criticism

Nah fuck you OP eat my fucking dick.

>>381713041
>nocturnebabies
Demi-Fiend looks like a fag too. He's a glowing twink.

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>>381713041
You can kill your friends anyway though so it's not a big deal. Nocturne has a happy ending where Demifiend gets to be a normal human with his friends too, after all. Nanashi's design isn't amazing, but it's not bad either, he's fifteen so it's no surprise he looks the way he does, and he suits the setting. No character models or animations aren't a big deal, the 3DS held the game back in many ways, but that's the least of them. Not to mention IV: A has some of the best boss fights in the series, the new designs are good, the deities are all really cool characters even if the humans aren't, the combat is the best the series has seen and the setting shared between IV and IV: A is one of the better settings in the series.

>>381712860
Nocturne is the best SMT and easily one of the best jrpgs ever made.

>>381713041
You can tell your frienss to fuck off and even murder them in coldblood and shit all over their power of friendship.
I don't see how Nanashi is mich worse then demi fiend except the haircut.
No one forces you to buy the grinding dlc you can.play the game just fine without it, I never got why people hated that shit because it isn't as if the game is unplayable without the dlc.
Nanashi's design is only slightly worse than demi fiends designs because of his haircut I never thought demi-fiend looked all that cool to begin with.
I give you the no 3d models, but then you must hate like 99% of the franchise because most of them are like that.

>>381713315
>tiny amount of demons
>no real alternating routes
>no guns
>no human partners
>no cyberpunk
I bet you're one of the people who shit on Apocalypse for "not being SMT" too.

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>>381709770
>Super bosses are on cart
>super bosses require DLC to use and thus the associated demons/spells
They pulled this shit in IV too. I'm shocked that they didn't lock a Lavenza fight or a palace to DLC content too, and if anyone from the IV team is on there, would not be surprised if SMTHD/SMTV did the same shit but in full 3d

What has this game improved from IV? I think I heard something about the map and fusion being better?

>>381714171
Pretty much everything save atmosphere which IV did way better.

>>381714149
It's a Nintendo console. We're used to shittier business practices.

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>>381714171
Fusion is a little better, combat is a lot better, specifically with regards to smirking and your AI partners and navigating the world map is also better. They also sort of fixed the long standing issue in the series where if you resist all of a bosses attack they'll just spam Megidolaon, they still haven't completely fixed that though.

>>381714171
Demons have now affinities gor example a jack frost has like +2 ice affinity and a -3 fire affinity
That means he takes less damage on top of his resistance from ice spells and ice spells cost less mp and do more damage when he uses it the exact opposite happens with his - fire affinity.

>Go through a complicated set of fusions trying to make a healer with good affinity
>Finally get one
>Fusion accident
>Gives demon with -4 healing affinity and no healing skills
>Don't remember the fusion path I took
It hurts a lot.

>>381714171
STR isn't completely useless now.

>>381714637
>Bothering with healing affinity when shit like mediarahan and salvation exist.

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>>381713315
>Nocturne is easily the best SMT.

>>381714432
Well lets hope when HD comes out the Switch can run CFW, so don't give into the macca jew.

>>381714730
Healing affinity is good, because it decreases the mp cost which.can really save your bacon, salvation and mediarahan are expensive to cast.

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>>381713315
>>381713772
>people this absolutely fucked in the head exist
Nocturne is nowhere near the best and Demifiend is a loser.

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>>381713315
Nocturne right off the bat loses at the most core SMT element in my book. It has a lazy undercooked negotiation system.

>>381713484
>as long as you have the money ingame
>perfect demons cost so much money they're basically impossible unless you grind for ages
Getting jihad naturally is far easier than grinding the money.

>>381714730
>Demon with -3 affinity can only cast mediarahan twice before running out of MP, and that's only if it does literally nothing else with that MP
You're right, it's not worth bothering with

>>381714491
>They also sort of fixed the long standing issue in the series where if you resist all of a bosses attack they'll just spam Megidolaon
It's a perfectly valid strategy though, you always end up spamming almighty by endgame, bosses should too.

>>381715047
How do you get Jihad naturally anyway?

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>>381715252
>spamming high costing Almighty skills when concentrate + Any Dyne will do more damage for less MP

>>381715413
By grinding to 91 and getting Shiva.

>>381709770
It is not balanced around it for one and for two it is a single player game

>>381715252
>you always end up spamming almighty by endgame

No I don't. Are you too lazy to deal with resistances or something?

>>381710060
>>381710404
You need it to fight the bonus boss tho

>>381715252
It is, but it's annoying that you go and prepare a party that counters the boss and then they just spam an attack that you can't block in response. Some of the most satisfying bosses for me in the series for me were the ones that would decimate me time and again until I imagined to put together a party that let me beat the boss without taking any damage. Bosses that will just kill you in one turn for going in with a good set up are just annoying. They should at lest make Almighty weaker than the bosses elemental attacks, which I believe they did do in some of the games though I'm not sure which ones off the top of my head.

>>381712263
5 was announced for the switch

>>381715047
>jihad
is this what i think it is?

>>381715653
no you do not even in IV you can take on the hardest bosses without it same in IV:A

>>381715846
>IV:A
I woukd agree with you if it wasn't for steven.

>>381713484
ouroboros is literally impossible to kill fuck you sj is harder than nocturne

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>>381713315
Dude I love Nocturne but going back to it after Apocalypse is painful. The QoL and the balanced battle system is way more enjoyable

>>381715830
Jihad means "Holy war" and it's the strongest almighty attack in the game.

>>381709770
IV and Apocolypse were shit tier

Piss easy, dungeons are a complete joke, awful new demon designs, lame story

Atlus used to churn out good shit 10+ years ago, but now it's just "enhanced" ports, EO that gets more casual with every entry, and waifu simulators

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>>381715734
It was announced as an HD project. It will 100% be multiplat

>>381716004
do you explode yourself with it or something?

>>381712441

>DLCs

Who says it like this?

>>381715947
Ouroboros is no problem at all. Only hard thing about SJ is the teleporter mazes, and those are a walk in the park compared to Puzzle Boy.

>>381716173
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BAML462MjI

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>>381716323
>people had trouble with puzzleboy
Fucking brainlets

>>381716323
>Ouroboros is no problem at all
every time i try to fight her the game turn into a shitshow

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>>381715947
Very true. People who talk about Mem Aleph are making stuff up or they cheated with the konami code

Sadly, in a world where you need your niche series to reach as many people as possible just to survive, pay to win dlc is more than necessary. As long as it remains optional and the game not balanced around it there's no reason to complain. In fact, you get to feel superior to those who didn't use it.

>>381716441
i would like to see this on modern american television

>>381716043
I would say IV and Apocalypse are some of the more difficult SMTs, at least as far as combat goes. Trying to navigate dungeons in SJ is as hard as the series gets, but the actual boss fights and combat are pretty hard early on in IV and they're consistently tough in IV:A, certainly moreso than what appears in the other MegaTen games I've played.

>>381716695
IV's difficulty tanks as soon as you reach Tokyo.

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>>381716560
Fuck you, you dirty piece of clay. I don't even want your Magatama.

>>381716786
It does, but that early section is much harder than anything in other MegaTen games.

>>381716786
>early on in IV

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>>381716695
There is no fucking boss in SMT that compares to this piece of shit. I just fucking gave up on it and any chance of beating Nocturen. Fucking bullshit rng artificially difficult game

>>381716880
>I would say IV and Apocalypse are some of the more difficult SMTs

>>381716695
This. I don't think it gets harder than YHVH, Krishna and Satan for main series boss battles.

>>381716986
You need to fight him on full kagutsuchi, the real one will have shadow.

>>381716986
>Optional boss
>Didn't fight him on Full Kagatsuchi

>>381716986

> Fight in Full-moon
> Strike the one with shadow.
> ???
> Profit.

He's not even required to beat the game.

>>381716986
I actually beat him without knowing about his gimmick. He's tough, but I don't think he's that tough.

>>381717064
I would say that, and I say it for IV just for the early segment. Even if the rest of the game is easy, that's still one really tough section in the game as opposed to most MT games having no really tough section at all.

>>381717284
>>381717297
>looking things up on a guide

How's nocturne on psn? I play both my ps2 and ps3 but I'm considering the psn version to start. Like does it emulate well and stuff?

Reason I ask is because I got Bully on my ps4 and couldn't handle the shit analog emulation, Jimmy was swerving everywhere while trying to walk. Not sure if ps3 downloads of ps2 games have the same problem since I just got it.

>>381717395
Nocturne 100% has to be played using a guide

>>381716323
>and those are a walk in the park compared to Puzzle Boy
I wouldn say that puzzle boy is a reason why nocturne is harder than SJ.
That would be like saying that game A is harder than game B, because the best equipment in game B is locked behind a hard optional minigame.

>>381717064
He's right though. Really Final is probably the only actual difficult SMT since it's stays consistent throughout.

>>381717503
If you're in Europe, do not play it on a PS3. I think it's fine in America though.

>>381717503
emulate

Quick iron claw or divine shot for demifiend?

>>381717605
I agree, but I just thought it was worth mentioning.

>>381717919
Divine Shot.

>>381717919
Divine shot

>>381717919
Gaea rage

>>381717758
I'm in burgerland, what's up with the Euro version?

>>381717893
Laptop is old and busted, not an option for me.

>>381718023
>>381718056
Thanks.

>>381717919
Freikugel

>>381717919
Iron claw never hits on its own and will constantly fuck you over on any enemy that hasn't been 3x sukunda'd.

>>381718090
Crashes at Lucifer, unbeatable

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>>381718090
At the end of the game there's an unskippable cutscene and there's something that happens in that cutscene that freezes the game 100% of the time in the European version. Depending on which ending you're going for, that means you'll either have to look up the ending on Youtube, which isn't so bad, or you'll be unable to fight the True Final Boss because that happens after the point where the game freezes, and that's a flaccid note to end the game on. I don't think that happens in the American version, but you might want to do a little research for yourself. Also, if you're thinking about playing DDS, the audio in that game is wildly out of sync with the visuals on the PS3, and I think that's an issue in the EU and American versions.

>>381718535
>sell you broken copies of the game
>will fucking get away with it too
Who do you blame? Ghostlight? Atlus? Sony?

>>381719403
Apparently it's on Sony. I saw people complain about it to ATLUS and they said the issue was with the PS3 emulator and there's nothing they could do about it.

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>Persona 5 has by far the best gameplay in its series with tons of intelligent refinements
>SMT IV Apocalypse has by far the best gameplay in its series with tons of intelligent refinements
>SMTV's teaser shows it's going for a Nocturne vibe, with it being a direct reference to that game's title screen

>post yfw we're getting a Nocturne-atmosphere game with the best gameplay in the series yet

Holy fuck I cannot wait for SMTV it's going to be GOTYAY

>>381713315
Except Soul Hackers is better you faggot

Nocturne didn't even have cyberpunk

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>>381720030
>>SMTV's teaser shows it's going for a Nocturne vibe, with it being a direct reference to that game's title screen

Uh...

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>>381720330
I hope they do something like the beginning of SMT1 again where you're in a normal world to begin with and shit goes down about a third of the way in. They sort of did it in SMTIV, but not nearly to the degree SMT1 did

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>>381720330
What's your point? That's not even close to the similarity that pic related and the teaser trailer have.

>>381722176
My point being that's not a Nocturne thing. Also, how are they not similar? All three of them just have demons staring forward.