>Make game for Moba players instead of your core audience

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>make shit thread
>no one post in it
>404
>remake it

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I feel pure hatred for that game, but I'm also so fucking depressed knowing that this is the last dawn of war game we'll get indefinitely
They just had to take Soulstorm, upgrade the graphics, take parts from COH and DOW 2 like cover and morale and projectile determination and all that modern stuff...
Instead we got a game with less depth in terms of what strategy to go for than DoW 1 and less depth in terms of tactics than DoW 2...
Fuck that game, seriously

>>381691416
I have no idea what they were thinking, honestly

>>381691527
They were lazy and thought they could get away with it. Well guess what shitters, you couldn't and unless you literally chisel a diamond out of a piece of shit, nobody is going to play it.

>>381691631
It would have literally been the easiest money in the world. They had the EASIEST TASK AND YET THEY FUCKED IT ALL UP.

>>381691527
They wanted the Starcraft 2 audience.

>>381691807
Of all the faults Starcraft 2 has, catering to braindead cancerous ASSFAGGOTS audience is not one of them.

Oh shit, and I was looking forward to playing this game because I played the ever living shit out of Soulstorm.
Massive free for alls including one of each faction was the best thing back then.

Is this game even worth pirating anymore?

>>381692775
There's no free for all, only 1v1 2v2 and 3v3

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>>381692890

absolutely disgusting.

>>381692074
You have to admit, the art direction in DoW3 is rather reminiscent of SC2.

I fucking hate what they did with this game and I'm glad it flopped so fucking hard. It's good to see that there's still some justice in this world

>>381693297
It doesn't look anything like Warhammer at all, even remotely.

>>381690817
DUDE ESPORTS LMAO

WHAT IF WE COMBINE SC2 AND MOBA TOGETHER???

>no one fucking buys it

>>381693297
That's because neither game has any kind of art direction.

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>played the beta
>loved it
>game comes out
>buy it
>play the campaign
>it's shit
>never play it again
>played more than 2 hours
>norefundgetfucked

I made a terrible mistake and now i have to live with it forever. Just like with Brink

>>381693646
dumbass

>>381690817
>>It was even fucking confirmed through a post on their forums that the anticipated Necron DLC isn't even being worked
Wait, seriously? They just dropped something like that on their forum?
I mean, not that I care about it, but this is a pretty impressive fuck-up all around.

Not defending relic here, because they tend to be retarded in their own way, but I'd bet this one is publisher's fault, pressure from higher up to appeal to wider audience and shit. From what relic did till now, I expected a Coh2 reskin (which wouldn't be great, but still okay).
Either way, Dow's dead after this. It's C&C 4 all over again.

>>381693746
They didn't outright say it, but they said they would be focusing on trying to bring the "game up to standards"
They just released annihilation mode for example, as some sort of last ditch effort to pull in more consumers
Probably to say to sega "l-look! People still care! please give us more funds so we can bring them necrons!"

>>381693774

I don't blame Sega, Relic did the same thing with DoW 2, except it worked out with DoW 2(for them) since it made boatloads of money, now they tried to be different again and they fucked it up.

All they had to do was either make DoW 1 or DoW 2 again or CoH:40k, but instead they went with option 4 and fucked it all up.

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>relic coders can't even set up custom key bindings in 2017

how the fuck do they stay in business, are they on government money or what?

>>381694091
>how the fuck do they stay in business
Not for much longer now

>DOW3 won't have Newcrons

>No annhilation mode at launch
>Shit campaign
>Only 3 factions
>Tiny beta window, no demo and then denuvo on top
>Tried to win over the RTS audience by pandering to the moba audience
>Skirmish mode is limited to 6 players at a time max and setting up offline games vs bots is a pain in the arse

Did I miss anything?

>>381694091
>are they on government money or what?

thats possible. there are TONS of gaming companies that are subsidised by the state.

Good, Newcrons suck.

All 40k games with good premises are fated to die from here on out

The bigget thing that pisses me off about this game, is the fact that Gorgutz won the Kaurava conflict. Fuck you, the Imperial Guard deserved that one

>>381694396
Shit animations and shitty colors for the terrain.

>>381694486
But that was the best thing they ever did.

>>381694412
You mean Canadian governments? Wouldnt that also need depend on provinces or cities helping them out too?

>>381694091

The whole UI is garbage. Main menu is probably the worst ones I've seen in years. Everything in it is slow as fuck. Like changing elite hero profiles or units in the coloring section.

>>381694691
its not just canada. UK, Germany, Australia and Sweden all do it.

im pretty sure deus ex mankind divided got millions of dollars in help. they are based in montreal i believe.

>>381694634
Gorgutz just feels like fan service than anything else

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>>381690817
SO IS RELIC NOW GONNA DO SPACE MARINE 2 TO SAVE THE COMPANY?

>>381695046

Yes, i would say everything in this game reeks of desperation.

>>381695216
Who'd be the antagonist?

Chaos and Orks should be out in all honesty.

>>381695216
I truly hope not, there are some undeserved dev bashing in the industry, but relic is a truly incompetent company and they deserve to go under

Dawn of war came out with great graphics.

>hey let's get rid of that and remove sync kills.

>>381695319

All xeno filth are antagonists.

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>>381690817
Yep it's shit

Supcom/TA are still king, as always.

>>381695319
Tyranids, Necrons, Eldar, either of those would work, Tyranids especially. Get the Alien crowd that way.

>>381695319
Tau

>>381695216
If they do it better have a decent final boss fight.

>>381695949

You're part of a force tasked with retaking an Imperial world annexed by the Tau. They can go in to the sterilisation programs the Tau force on their human subjects and "allies".

>>381695216
loved the MP in this game truly patrician tier so much fun

>>381695405
I bought all their god damn DLC for all their games. Legit fuck them for betraying me like this.

>>381695319
Wasn't the planned sequel going to have Titus in the Deathwatch?
Maybe Tyrannids then, with Necrons as the mid-game surprise antagonist.

He would build a new chapter in the third one. So that's free for whatever, maybe full Eldar.

>>381696310
same senpai

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>>381695684
>build 700 meter high robot
>add 150 meter spikes on his shoulders because it looks cool

>>381698367
Fucking kek'd

>>381695405
>One of the main designers for CoH 1 dies in a car crash shortly after release
>Relic has consistently fucked up since then
I know it's just a coincidence but still...

I played every dow game. I like dow 3. Most of the hate is unwarranted and memes.

>>381700207
Shit taste detected.

>>381700207
How much of it is you wanting the game to bed good and not dead?
I still enjoy eternal crusade despite all of the legitimate criticism

They wanted that esports money too badly but none of the competitive DoW 2 players give a shit. Not even esports SC2 player and massive WH40k fanboy Incontrol kept playing DoW 3 longer than a few weeks.

So is the campaign just a bunch of missions styled after Heroes of the storm matches?

>>381690817
I'm curious, what did they actually do that made it more MOBAlike? I didn't really follow the development of DOW3

>>381695319
Primaris Marines after Titus becomes a renegade.

>>381701164

No, they're varied with different objectives and gameplay. It's not bad in any way, but I can't say it feels very good either. It's a weird thing really because on paper it has everything it needs to be a really good campaign.

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>>381690817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7gnMSzf_c

>>381701203
Heroes, skills, towers, lanes, power cores. But you could argue a lot of those things were in DoW 2.

>>381690817
It is salvageable, but it would've been avoided if Relic and SEGA did so before they released the game. Now they'll need to work harder than on your average Forge World to fix this.

>>381695319
Heard that the IP went to BioWare for some retarded turn of events.

On the other hand they'd make it into an action RPG with all the mechanisms the first game had.

The original Space Marine game WAS supposed to be an ARPG with shooting, CQC and playing as a team of Ultramarines instead of just Titus.

>>381701203

In team maps there are three lanes with each team having a core in their base. If the core is destroyed the opponents win. In order to damage the core you have to capture a point and destroy a tower. That's about it.

In terms of actual gameplay nothing has really changed. The turrets are fuckeasy to destroy and are supposed to protect players against early rushes, while the core is a streamlined way of winning the map because let's be honest; if you ever made it into the enemy base with a army the game was basically over. The core itself has some nifty feature like a ability that can be triggered to make it invulnerable for 10 seconds or so, and each player HQ can teleport their entire army home every 5 minutes in case shit hits the fan.

The criticism is heavily excaggerated. It plays like a mix between DoW1 and DoW2.

>>381701587
It's not even salvageable. It's fundementally flawed from the ground up. I might be able to forgive the gameplay if the artstyle and cartoony graphics weren't so fuck ugly but everything about this game is shit.

>>381692775
You can pirate, only for the story. Fighting against AI requires internet connection, saving XP for heroes in the story requires online connection too.

Dawn of Just 3

>>381702362
I only see an expansion pack as the only way of saving it. An expansion that would fix the very fundaments of it...but knowing our luck they would shit over us all with something even more stupid instead of actually listening to the players.

>>381690817
post a video of some guy who is fat on youtube telling me why it's bad

>>381694412
>>381694691
>>381694863
The american government has a special provision that enables "Companies that are strategically relevant" to hide and lie on their books and manipulate any values they deem necessary.

>>381694412
>>381702924
>getting industry-related tax breaks that are meant to attract companies to your states is the same as having black funding from the US government

oooookay

>>381701203
Nothing that wasn't in a dawn of war title before.

So 8th edition recently dropped.
Did that advance things further?

>>381703251
Ok, i fucked up. power core mode is as close as it gets but it's just a glorified "pls no rush me in 5 minutes" thing, and now they are adding more modes anyway. "lanes" is just a meme. Map design is not any diffrent than dow 1 and 2

>>381701203
DoW 3's problems have little to do with it being a MOBA.

I just don't like how fast it is to wipe everything. Stuns are too strong in this game because of it. It's like playing LoTV with how strong these active abilities are. The ultimates are too cheap and game breaking as well. You can plop one down for 2 elite points and basically wipe or really fuck over big engagements with little risk on your end besides getting delayed with the high tier elite. I liked how in CoH most of these nuke abilities were very expensive and very situational, but it is just unbelievably spammable and easy to use. Even if you can avoid them, the game ultimately becomes cat and mousing each other with large blobs until one catches the other off guard very quickly.

>>381691105
It's a reboot.

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>>381690817
Why do devs betray their audience?
Is it just business school fuckheads making all the decisions?

>>381704517
>thinking devs make ANY of the decisions regarding what games get made

durr

>>381704792
The devs make all the decisions in startups. The successful brands then get bought out and whored out by hook nosed coin clippers.

>>381691416
>They just had to take Soulstorm
And throw it in the trash. There is a reason it's considered the worst of the DoWs. Or was until this point.

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>the relic shills who said "y-you're still gonna play it and it'll be WILDLY successful!"

>>381705809
Why was it bad? I only played vanilla DoW2.

>>381706487
The campaign was a fucking abomination compared to dark crusade, and it was horrifically buggy at launch.

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>>381691105
It's a graphical upgrade anon!

>>381706487

It was horrible at release, it was a buggy imbalanced mess, that however is no longer the case but the meme stuck around here on /v/ because this is a shithole. Right now it's only DoW game that still has a modding community and it's the one with the most players.

>>381706770
>multiplayer
>being relevant
Pandering to fuckholes like you is why we got dow3. Fuck off and die in a fire.

>>381706685
METAL BAWKSUS

>no free-for-all mode
>none of the maps or the match menu even support a free-for-all mode
>which means we won't see that mode ever because it would require Relic to make just as many new maps for free-for-all as they have for their ASSFAGGOTS mode

Literally just need to focus on adding more factions. That's it. You're doing literally the wrong thing. Fuck balance besides obviously broken shit which should take a day to fix, get more FUCKING CONTENT OUT!

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>>381695319
The Emperor.

Final mission: Assassinate the remains of the False Emperor and begin The Space End Times

Reboot everything right after

>>381707712
I do think that was a huge fuckup, who wants to go to a game with barely any factions from a game with lots? DOW2 managed it because it took an entirely different approach to the gameplay and it had the hype of introducing the Tyranids

>Base building needs to be less shallow. More buildings added.
>More factions added, for free.
>More game modes.

If that happens, and it gets a price cut, I will purchase the game.

> buying dawn of memes 3 when you can get the original DoW and 3 expansions for 10bux on summer steam sale
OP IS a dumbass

>>381690817
You know, as few people there are who play the game, how was it successful in regards to sales?

The staying power was terrible but what about the units sold?

>>381709323
Horrible, and not only that but refunds did a shit ton of damage.

When will we have an Imperial Guard Visual Novel?!

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>>381706692
>graphical upgrade
>use the broken as fuck engine from homeworld 2

IM STILL BUTTHURT

>>381709412
Sounds about right but is there a source on the info?

>>381709412
Steamspy says it sold 220k units. That's a lot even at discounted price.

>>381709882
Not him but a lot of people everywhere claimed they wanted to refund the game.
The only places that defend the game are the steam forum and the relic forum and the number of people posting there decrease by the day.

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>you will never be as much of a turbocuck as Gorb

He's had that Relic dick down his throat for so long, god damn. It's always a pleasure to watch him post on the Elite Mod forums where literally nobody has time for his shilling

>>381710082
Fair enough. I heard they actually wrote a block post on their website saying that they were disappointed with the reception of the game. lI suppose while that isn't concrete numbers its something.

>>381709970
How does that fair compared to the others?

>>381709970
Steamspy can't tell if a game was refunded so it will count it as owned.
http://steamspy.com/about
>"Owned" means "Sold", right?

>No. "Owned" means "owned". It includes games bought on Steam, bought in retail and then activated on Steam, bought in bundles, recieved through promotions or as a gift and so on. It also includes copies temporarily given away on "free weekends", so take care when coming to conclusions about sales or revenue.

>It feels good to see a dev get what they deserve.

This. Let them go bankrupt.

>>381690817
Let relic and 40k games die. Nobody will do one how it should be made. Nobody will work on a proper fps, tps, or rts. Nobody cares. Let it all die.

Let the franchise burn.

>>381710518
I'd rather they just add fucking content and make a good game like they used to. But I guess no one there actually worked on DoW or even DoW 2 huh?

>>381710369
Oh. I see.

>>381690817
The issue wasn't necessarily the MOBA elements, it was the lack of meaningful content when the game came out as well as a less engaging multiplayer than I would've liked. I got it off a CDkey site for like 20 bucks so I didn't feel that burned, but the core gameplay is less fun than DoW2 and DoW1- somehow splitting the difference between the two fucked the game up.

>>381710369
Being ultra conservative, lets say out of 220k, 15-20k were refunded.

That' still 200k+.