Reggie: "AM2R was a commercial product, that's why

How was AM2R monetized? I thought it was just some basement grade fan project that took fucking years and years to come together?

>>381688634
It wasn't monetized. You didn't have to pay for it, there was no patreon, and download links didn't redirect to an adfly-like service. It was completely free, with no benefit to the developers beyond recognition.

>>381688634
It didn't reggie is retarded

> howdoyoudofellowkids.jpg

this is why we hate nintendo. get the fuck out of my board already you children

>>381688842
Was the team on Patreon or is Reggie straight up lying?

nintendo fags on the receiving end of excrement once again.

>>381689492
There was no Patreon.

>>381688389
I think Reggie needs to read up on what a commercial product is. The REAL reason is for their shitty 3ds reimagining

>>381688389
So, he didn't say "We were working on our own 2D Metroid retelling of the gameboy game."
That would have been an easy defense of the copyright strike, now that the game's announced.
Him not saying that means that the new game is just a total ripoff of AM2R, right?

They could've at least hired the fans instead of getting the no-talent hacks at MercurySteam to make it.
What a glorious fuckup.

>>381689492
Reggie is lying, just like he's done many times in the past

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>They weren't charging for it
>But it's a commercial product

>>381689826
How would a total rip off work? Anyway AM2R stole assets so of course it got shutdown. If you want a successful metroid game, go play axiom verge

>>381689826
lol

>>381690192
What I mean is, the fact that he didn't use that defense here means that they got the idea from AM2R.

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>>381688389
Damn I hate Reggie. His meme status has carried him too far. Why couldn't Nintendo of America get someone worthy like Koizumi?

>>381688389
they could have just sold it then, for profit

>>381689826
>Him not saying that means that the new game is just a total ripoff of AM2R, right?
This was my initial reaction to the Samus Returns reveal, but it's really impossible to say which came first. Samus Returns really looks like it could be a quick and dirty production (2.5D has that connotation a lot of the time), but it's also totally plausible for Nintendo to make major PR blunders because of pure and simple poor communication.

>>381688389
Bullshit. Even if it was sxomehow being monetized, Nintendo could've threatened to C&D if they didn't remove all means of monetization and maybe pay them reparations.

>>381690624
AM2R started 10 years ago. I think it's safe to say it came first.

>>381688389
Maybe he meant that it had the quality of an official Nintendo game? So it'd be hard for people to differentiate between what's fanmade and what's official? Hence the line "driving the direction of the franchise"

>>381688389
The interesting thing about AM2R is there are so many other detailed romhacks that they don't care about that the whole situation only brings up more questions.

>>381690928
>romhacks
Nah.

>>381688389
>A: Hey I'm selling thing X I made
>B: Hey I'm giving away a copy of thing X that I didn't make
>A: can you stop it?
>B: Why should I? IT'S FREE
Reggie is right and if you can't see it you're retarded.

>>381690418
No it doesn't. He's not going to put conditions on the company for when they're able to or going to take action to protect their intellectual property. That's just not something you do.

>>381688389
>there wasn't a charge, but it was now a commercial product

Basically what he meant was that even though they weren't charging money for it, it crossed the line from simple changes, into something that could actually have an impact on sales of the remake they were already making. And that's when it starts to be a point where they need to protect their IP.

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>>381688389
>there wasn't a charge, but it was now a commercial product
I assume by commercial product he means it was a full fledged metroid game, rather than simply a fan work. They didn't want competition with what was basically a commercial metroid game that was free

Makes sense from a business standpoint desu

>>381691194
I honestly don't understand how /v/ has gotten so shitty over the years.

>>381691194
>Nintendo made AM2R
????????????????????

>>381691402
I do but I'm not going to say it
Reddit + facebook + neogaf

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>>381691402
Lack of self moderation.

>>381691473
Wow anon, you actually ARE retarded.

>>381691249
I'm not saying he should do anything different in terms of policy.
It would still have been WAY smarter to say that they killed it to make way for the 3ds game.
Even if it was a lie, that's what I would have said in that scenario.

>>381691513
>>381691402
/v/ has always been this bad

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Nintendo are so out of touch with literally everything that it hurts.

>>381691705
That would build resentment towards samus returns, don't EVER work in PR
>>381688389
How does it show that they are out of touch? It's like the most non-answer they can give, it's perfect for PR

>>381691817
it was a different kind of bad

>>381690418
you didn't defend your non-faggot status in this statement, so that means you're a faggot, right? That's your logic here.

By the way the commercial part is that it is hosted on websites that have ads, are you fags that clueless?

>>381688389
Oh shit. CEMU devs are fucked.

>Make a remake of a game that's still currently being sold
>Get mad when they shut you down

>reading comprehension completely absent in this thread
He is fucking praising AM2R, saying that it is commercial-level quality product but it is given out for free

>>381688389
What he's probably trying to say is "AM2R had a risk of making people look at Samus Returns and then go 'Oh well I've already played a Metroid 2 Remake so who cares'" but for some reason he's really fucking roundabout with it. Maybe he doesn't want to suggest that an independently developed game could "compete" with a Nintendo product?

>>381692063
The AM2R developers weren't mad though. Only the fans of it.

>Nintendo refuses to release a Metroid game for 15 years
>Fans decide to remake one for free
>Nintendo slaps together a shitty 2.5d remake in a couple of months
>Sends lawyers after the Metroid fans

BASED NINTENDO

>>381692063
Wait, Nintendo is still selling SNES games?

>>381692194
>months
The game has been in development in 2 years you dumb fuck. Also the maps in the Nintendo remake is far more elaborate than those in AM2R and the original

>>381692281
>Wait, Nintendo is still selling SNES games?
Are you asking this as a sincere question?

>>381692304
Uh huh, "years". That's why Nintendo didn't say anything about it at the last 2 E3s.

>>381691817
The only people who believe this have been on /v/ for less than 10 years

What about Cemu?

>>381692395
Yes, exactly. Mario odyessy has been in development for years as well and it was revealed this year you dumb shit.

>>381692395
You realize that Nintendo often announces games only a few months before their release, right? They'll sometimes have games that are announced a bit longer before release, but even then it's typically a same-year affair.

>>381692551
Exactly, like how they announced Prime 4 just a few months before it's coming out. What specific date did they say it was releasing again?

>>381692194
>months
???
https://mynintendonews.com/2017/06/14/sakamoto-talks-about-metroid-samus-returns-dev-time-new-content-and-more/

Don't make stuff up

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>>381688389
>driving the direction of the IP

how about you guys drive it back into making interesting 2d games

>>381688389
>nintenkids will literary defend this

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>>381692625
>mynintendonews

>>381692621
Next year, based on reggie. A year gap, maybe. Same for Pokemans
>>381692664
What is there to defend desu

>>381692621
Apparently it's due in a year.

>>381692727
Thank you, sometime next year is clearly just a few months away.

>>381692709
You can read the interview with the developer in there, or are you going to ignore evidence? Jesus are you fags that desperate to shitpost?

>>381692056
>CEMU devs are fucked
No they aren't. Making your own emulator isn't illegal.

>>381692621
>they announced one game that won't be out for 1-2 years so every game they announce is 1-2 years away from release upon announcement
I bet you think Switches aren't selling out because there are still some in one random store in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, huh?

>>381692395
Games are generally announced nearish the end of development. Sometimes you'll get announcements the minute development starts, like Prime 4, but most of the time it's near the end.

>>381692882
Prime is due to release next year. It has likely been in development for quite some time, they just don't want to show it yet

The Nintendo defenders ITT seem to be forgetting that the 3DS game is made by hacks and will be completely terrible.
The only way it would be decent is if they steal everything out of AM2R, actually.

>>381688389
He's right, mother fuckers should have made their own ip instead of stealing the Metroid ip. I hope Microsoft does the same to those Halo fan games.

>>381690445
I doubt reggie has anything to do with stuff like this, he's coo he has more important stuff to do, another department probably sees it shuts it down then his secretary writes a letter for him to put out

>>381693004
how's being stupid going for you

>>381693004
Ha if they steal from AM2R they are stealing from themselves, so it goes a full circle?

>>381692958
I stand corrected. It also fits into the mold of being announced nearish to the end of development then.

That's actually the big difference between standard industry development and kickstarter. With kickstarter, you have to announce the game before development even starts. That's why morons get so pissed off over the wait time.
But that's a different conversation altogether.

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>>381693005
yo you're kinda dumb.

Do you just want less good things? Is that what you want? Would the world be a better place if AM2R never existed?

>>381693005
Those games got approval.

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>>381688389
I don't understand Reggie's logic here, I understand that they shut it down for a reason but something being a commercial product while being made completely free makes no sense. Is he implying that because Nintendo was making a Metroid 2 remake that the AM2R guys were essentially cutting into the actual Metroid's sales and market value?

I guess it could be argued that for sure, since it's sort of like "well I already played this fan remake for free so I'm not buying this other one" But Nintendo doesn't really understand that something like A2MR is made for Metroid fans by Metroid fans and only Metroid fans of previous, or people who ALREADY were into Metroid, were only going to play this game anyway, and not only that, Nintendo should have revealed their Metroid 2 Remake last year for the 30th Anniversary if they were really afraid of A2MR. Not only did A2MR benefit from basically being the only relevant thing a Metroid fan was looking forward to at the time, it was also a time where people seemed to think that Nintendo didn't care about Metroid and were hot off the heels of Federation force and Blast Ball.

TL:DR - Nintendo poorly handled the situation even if they were in the right. Though yes we are getting Metroid now, a year ago it was Metroid's 30th and all Nintendo had to show for it was Soccer. Nintendo probably felt they shouldn't have to compete within their own IP.

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>Samus returns is lazy and rush-

>>381693217
Yes

>>381693134
>It also fits into the mold of being announced nearish to the end of development then.

Yes, I remember how Breath of the Wild and Twilight Princess were both announced right near the end of the development. It would have been embarrassing to announce them years in advance and then delay them.

Do you underage idiots seriously not understand how a free remake that anyone can download in seconds would be potentially damaging to sales of the genuine article?

We did this dance last year. I brought up the hypothetical scenario of Nintendo releasing their own remake of Metroid II, and the only response you morons had was "METROID IS DEAD AND NINTENDO IS NEVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, SO MUH ILLICIT FANGAME ISN'T STEPPING ON ANY TOES". Surprise! The hypothetical scenario wasn't hypothetical at all, it's exactly what Nintendo was doing.

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>Mr. Sakamoto who created Metroid

>>381693348
Zelda games seem to be an exception, and the emergency 2013 direct as a whole

>>381689826
>the new game is just a total ripoff of a fan remake of a game they made 25 years ago
u wot m8?
So if Square Enix remakes Chrono Trigger they'll be ripping off that 3D project they shut down years ago?

>>381693223
Dammit!

>>381693246
It took Nintendo 2 year to revamp Metroid II's map and it took this guy 10 years to copy it, it's kind of sad.

>>381693420
I accept your apology. Please be sure to only make accurate posts in the future.

>>381693389
He got yakuza'd after the Virtual Boy failure.

based nintendo
fuck the fans they buttmad haha i love nintendo

>>381693232
It was hosted on sites with ads you dipshit.
>>381693217
Honestly yes. It wasn't that great, and its only legacy are these awful threads full of shitposting and uneducated teenagers.

>>381693348
They thought development was near the end, and realized they needed more time.
Are you fucking stupid?

AM2R wasn't free you fucking idiots. The websites which hosted the files were monetized due to ads.

>reggie is a scumbag and a liar
as a fatal frame fan in the west ive been screaming this since last gen. fuck NoA

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>>381693526
>YFW they killed Iwata too for the WiiU

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>>381693309
alright then well, you do you I guess

>>381693562
>fuck the fans
>"""fans""" who shit on a remake even though their free game already got released and is easily obtained

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>>381693585
>Nintendo can't even plan development times

How embarrassing.

>>381693095
Yeah, because your post is some MENSA shit.
>>381693246
-ed.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/castlevania-lords-of-shadow---mirror-of-fate

>>381693660
>tfw you get to play two different versions of metroid 2

>>381693246
How did AM2R take so long to make if the maps are completely ripped from the original

>>381693389
Fucking THIS. Reggie is a suitfag who only got popular due to memes and charisma. He doesn't care about video games.

>>381693380
the underage kiddos that would actually pay for a 3ds game in the current year had no idea at all the fan game was a thing.

I'm glad we can have both now. AM2R was great, but I'm appreciative that we're getting the 3DS game.

All the same, I'm pretty cautious about MercurySteam. Their hit to miss record isn't that great. Maybe with Nintendo backing them they can have some higher quality control, but I would not be surprised if Samus Returns isn't 100% what people want.

>>381693628
Miyamoto is next of their hit list.

>>381693709
>posts an unrelated game
Nice argument here, anon. How is the game rushed or lazy? The actual quality might be bad but they clearly put in effort to even redesign the maps

>>381693845
>Maybe with Nintendo backing them they can have some higher quality control
Yoshi's Island 2.

>>381693698
pretty typical among AAA developers, just look at team ico, rockstar or SE. I guess it's that they underestimate their work load

>>381691909
Because AM2R was explicitly not a commercial product in any way. This only persuades retards who weren't following it in the first place and makes those who were angrier because Nintendo's lying about it.

>>381693421
I think the Anon you're replying to is kind of reason enough why Nintendo wanted to halt A2MR, probably just so they can avoid having some consumers confused.

>>381693579
Whether those ads were profiting the developer in making the game or if it was to fund the server costs of running a website. Or whether it was because of the website host A2MR was on, and not the person making A2MR who put the ads on is in question if you're going to use that as an argument for something being commercial.

Alright, so how do they explain all the shit they did with Super Mario Bros. X?

>>381693967
It is, it is hosted on websites with ads

>>381693618
The am2r had no ads unless you mean affiliated links to other blogs

>>381693867
>an unrelated game
Jesus Christ...

>>381693449
how do you feel when you post shit like this

>>381693246
This comparison is inaccurate. The "Area 4" shown for Gameboy and AM2R is not actually Area 4 but an intermediary area between Area's 3 and 4.

>>381693449
The entire intent of AM2R was to make a "Zero Mission" of Metroid II. Zero Mission stuck close to the original map design while adding to it and altering the layout of most rooms. AM2R does a fine job of following that example. Samus Returns is going in a different direction and having an almost entirely new map. You can't really compare the two.
Nintendo had an entire dev team working on Samus Returns while AM2R was mostly one person working on it in his spare time, and sometimes development had to be put completely on hold due to personal problems. It's a wonder the game got finished at all.
There's a lot more to game development than just designing a map, as well.
If you're going to try baiting, do some research.

>>381693246
Okay now can anyone tell me HOW did am2r take so long if you don't even change anything from the maps

>>381694012
Similar thing I mentioned above, A2MR cutting into Nintendo's actual IP.

Nintendo again probably didn't want or feel the need to compete with themselves with Super Mario Maker.

>>381694103
Sorry, no arguments found

>>381694236

>>381694159
read: >>381694158
You're basically an idiot.

>>381694159
Hobby project

>>381694065
Yes, those ads. It might be surprising to you but they still count

>>381694061
http://metroid2remake.blogspot.ca/
Not one ad here. Stop lying.

>>381694164
Still doesn't mean it's a commercial product.

They also did handle that situation differently, in that they didn't C&D the game, but rather just tried to get rid of all footage of it on Youtube and Twitch.

>Reggie
>Lying
you don't say...

Is Nintendo literally retarded?

This says to me that A2MR was a better game than the game they wanted to put out.
Nintendos game is going to be shit just watch.

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>>381693618
Don't mind me, just swimming in my ad money.

>>381694138
Good

>>381694342
Other sites anon, this is not the only hosting site.

>>381694339
That's fringe.

>>381691273
>>381691334
On one hand, it makes sense cause it had the level of polish and care put into it one would expect from an actual sold product.

On the other hand, by definition, it wasn't being sold nor was money was involved in any way, and thus was not a commercial product. I don't know if hes simply using the wrong word or simply is so out of touch he doesn't know what it means.

>>381694376
You fags are truly the worst fanbase, just fucking enjoy your free game and not hope for the failure of another game. Meanwhile actual fans can enjoy both games for free

woah shit dude it's almost as if nintendo is a retarded, overrated company only kept alive by its drooling manchild fanbase

>>381688913
lel

>>381688634
Closest thing I can find is this April Fools joke.

http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/2014/04/store-updates.html

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>>381694434
>Other sites had ad revenue
>That means that the game someone who didn't own those sites made was a commercial product

>>381694434
Name 3. That blogspot was THE dev blog and was not commercialized whatsoever.

>>381694552
>people are so butthurt they don't even use their reading comprehension skills

>>381694376
It's not even the worst 2D Metroid
OG 2 and Fusion are bellow it

>>381693380
Fan games have been around for ever. So have fan remakes. They usually don't cut into business, bc the IP holder can offer better quality with own games/remakes. Guess why they killed AM2R? BC they had an own remake in the works and AM2R is damn good. It's something that puts the liveless retarded nintendo remake to shame and they knew it.

>>381694367
No, they know exactly what they're doing. It's their fans who are retarded and they're exploiting that.

>>381688389
So it's confirmed with this, that Nintendo is responsible for Project M dying then, right?

>>381694605
Yes that's how laws work

>>381694630
Sorry, all taken down

>>381688634
>>381688842
A commercial product can be free.

It was branded and everything. Thats a reason you see this taken down but not many popular rom hacks.

>>381694353
I'm not sure what Reggie meant by commercial product.

Also I don't really know much about the SMBX thing other than yeah a couple YouTubers got videos taken down. They also didn't like rom hacks in general.

>>381691817
No, it really hasn't.

>>381694661
They DO cut into business, especially when they are free. Are you retarded? Plus as said above nintendo is selling Metroid 2 on VC, so it cuts into that as well

>>381694739
>Yes that's how laws work
>that's how laws work

Which laws state that if anyone ever puts your free content on a site that has ads that the product becomes a commercial product.

Be very specific.

>>381694539
What? It makes sense for them to kill off a better product using underhanded corperate bullshit.
They should have full confidence in their product as well know and liked as Metroid. A fan game should have been 0 threat to them.
I am just saying don't be surprised when nintendos game is a turd shat out.

>>381694376
Mercury Steam is literally one of the worst devs around.
When's the last time you enjoyed a game from fucking Spain of all places?

The game is throwaway outsourced trash, which is why they didn't even put "New 2D Metroid" in the E3 conference.
Every single sign points toward the game being shit.

>>381694849
If you really believe fan remakes cut into business you are delusional. The people playing the fan remake will always want to play the "true remake" even if it's just to try it out. And people that don't know or don't care about the fan remake will buy the nintendo remake if they like the trailers.

>>381694965
>implying they would take the risk
>implying this is how companies work
>implying the creators even have input on taking down AM2R

>>381694965
>kill off a better product
The game is done bitch even if you do think it's better than Nintendo's game you have all the ability in the world to play it.

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>>381688389
another desperate ploy by the sony biased games jurnalism

They had a donations page so they were taking money.

>>381688389
This is embarrassing, at this point the silence would be their best action, rather making bigger fools of themselves. Everyone knows exactly what's up after they revealed their own remake, so why this pathetic attempt at damage control.

>>381695057
If you believe that you are the one that is delusional, since I myself is one person that will not buy the true remake after playing AM2R. I have enough to metroid 2 remakes for a while

>>381694765
>A commercial product can be free.
Are you a lawyer and can you explain that?
Because to me that sentence makes no sense.

>>381695152
Link to it. Pro-tip: you can't.

>>381695204
>damage control
For what? I see this as elaborating on a reason, which is basically him saying AM2R has the quality of a commercial product but given out for free

>>381695000
It's very easy to sit back and meme a dev group so that your argument looks better, but they are simply remaking what is already a good game.

>>381695000
>every sign
Except the actual gameplay footage woah

I'm surprised this thread has yet to be deleted by the vengeful Nintendo mods here.

>>381695204
Nice tin-foil hat.
Where can I get one?

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>>381694765
If that's the case, then it was only a commercial product when Nintendo started officially making their own Metroid 2 Remake, not announcing it.

A commercial product can be free to the consumer ala F2P, but a commercial product can't be something commercial when the person making it is doing it for free themsleves, and at a loss. Only when turning a profit or trying to make money doing things like this is when you can call things "commercial"

>>381695297
and tweaking the hell out of it, changing the game layout...

>>381695214
The dev may not be getting money but he's getting notoriety and potential clout from a franchise that frankly he has nothing and should have nothing to do with on an official level.

>>381695096
Yeah, no one's saying it's bad for business, but it's anti consumer and in an environment where no one else has ever gone after fan games, doing so just comes off as cunty.
Look at Sega who recruited the best 2 fan game creators for Sonic Mania knowing that they understand 2d sonic better than anyone left in Sega.
Compare these 2 approaches to fan games and you'll see why Nintendo is one of the worst companies that just happens to be one of the best game creators.

>>381695096
>>implying the creators even have input on taking down AM2R
Did not say they did. Point to the line that said that. I will wait.
>implying this is how companies work
What you think companies don't do shady underhanded things all the time? Big companys all do it all the time.
>implying they would take the risk
Hubris. It kills many a rich person or company.

>>381695436
Streets of Rage

>>381695432
That does not make this a commercial product. What you are arguing is totally different.

AM2R looks way better than the cheap 30fps nonsense Nintendo is shitting out with Mercurysteam.

If they were smart (they're not), they would have taken AM2R and built upon it and released it for the 3DS and Switch.

DID YOU NIGGERS EVEN PASS MIDDLE SCHOOL?

HE IS SAYING AM2R IS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT MEANING IT CAN COMPETE WITH THEIR OFFICIAL REMAKE

READ NIGGERS READ

>>381695214
It's fucking labeled Metroid.

I can't go out and start handing out free burgers and call them Big Macs now can I?

>>381694834
Their official stance on ROMs period is that they should be illegal. That despite them using ROMs from the internet on their Virtual Console on occasion.

I think they're well within their right to sell us a ROM we could technically download off the internet, mind you. It's their property after all, but I'm just dumbfounded that they then have that particular stance against ROMs.

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You mean like how you take down every fucking piece of fanart you run across?

God, the more I reread this interview, the more livid I get.

>steal IP and assets you didn't make
>pass off someone else's hard work as your own
Good to see justice was served.

>>381694739
>Yes that's how laws work

No it isn't. In that case, this site is commercially infringing on Nintendo because links to download A2MR were posted on here repeatedly and this site is profiting from ads.

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>>381694575
>an April Fools' joke got them C&D'd.

>>381695508
god damn, you're dumb

>>381695508
I doubt /v/ even read the full article, its okay, only shitposting now

>>381695115
It's about principle. Them trying to erase a man's work he invested 10 years in, just so their cash grab Metroid, that isn't even made by them, has no competition is despicable.

>>381695539
>assets

What assets did am2r steal?

>>381695532
Where? The porn thing I remember /v/ shitposting about was only like 3 blogs or so, and it might not even be them

>>381695508
"good enough to be" does not equate to "is" you fucking mongoloid.

>>381691473
They kind of did, it has a lot of assets from Zero Mission and Fusion, and has the same basic map as the original Metroid 2.

>>381695508
>DID YOU NIGGERS EVEN PASS MIDDLE SCHOOL?

>proceeds to show he is elementary in mind set.

>>381695659
Using the name Metroid, the character of Samus Aran and various other copyrighted characters. That alone is enough.

>>381695717
In corporate speak it is, just read the interview anon

>>381693973
Who that ad money was going to is irrelevant you fucking teenager.

>>381695297
They had source material for this POS too.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/castlevania-lords-of-shadow---mirror-of-fate

It's not even their fault though. There just aren't talented devs living in Spain or willing to move there, so they are probably doing the best they can.
And Nintendo is properly downplaying what they know is going to be a mediocre game.
The only boneheaded move here is Metroid fans getting excited for it.

>>381695504
It shouldn't have been branded, even if unintentionally, as Metroid's saving grace. That does a lot for a person who has no business being attached to someone else's property.

>>381690418
So you actually think they started development and put out a playable demo, and plan to release this game in the span of one year?

>>381695781
>proceeds to have no argument
Sorry some people actually know how to decipher meanings from context, unlike you

>>381695795
That's copyright infringement, not stealing assets.
>>381695797
So if I burned a CD with AM2R on it and sold it to hobos in an alley, that would make AM2R a commercial product? You really are dumb as bricks. I look forward to your "i was le pretending to be retarded xD" post.

>>381695851
Oh so we aren't allowed to get excited for a game although there is already gameplay shown and despite everything it looks okay?

>>381695371
Sorry NoA bought out entire stock. Always mumbling about those IP pillagers.

Reggie honestly seems like a real asshole

I don't know why people like him

They should get a new figurehead who seems like a nice guy, someone more befitting of a company that makes children's toys

The moment that you make an alternative to someone's product using their IP, they have the right to shut you down.

Reggie isn't lying. AM2R would've taken sales away from Nintendo's product, so that's not allowed. I'd expect any other company to do the same, which they have, multiple times.

>>381695796
No, it isn't. The intent has to be there, and AM2R was not intended to be commercial in any shape or form, and the devs reflected this in everything they said or did. They did not take money at all for the game.

>>381695620
Holy shit you guys speak way too highly of his rom hack. It's not that great and frankly kind of useless since all it does is give us more metroid. There's nothing new about it.

>>381695981
You already have an example of stolen assets given above>>381695731

And yes it does make it a commercial product, since you are selling it

>>381694665

The current teen generations retardation and ignorance in general has made them the ripest in history for exploitation. It's pretty bad for all of us and why a lot of popular media culture sucks shit and has been homogenized more than ever this decade.

>>381696067
It isn't intended, but he is fucking talking about the QUALITY of the remake, saying that it is commercial-level

>>381696067
regardless of whether or not it's sold if you gain fame, work experience, or anything else of benefit from a product, it becomes commercial.

>>381695620
>Them trying to erase a man's work he invested 10 years in,

He invested 10 years in someone else's work, namely work owned by a multinational billion dollar company. Playing with fire, especially if it's good enough to compete with an actual product of theirs. How many more times is this going to happen before people get the memo: don't fuck with someone else's intellectual property, invest your energy in your own original work. At best keep it to yourself until it's ready to be released, anything less and you've got no one but yourself to blame for their lawyers coming down on you.

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>>381695797
Actually it is relevant. The fact of the matter is that Reggie is saying A2MR is profiting when it is unclear whether or not the developer was making money off of downloads from A2MR or trying to make a profit at all.

I love the fact that you can find every hardcore Nintendo fan in here who has no Idea about laws or copyright at all in this thread. Hell, half of you don't even know what some of the words you're speaking mean.

>>381695851
How about you play the game first and stop trying to search for ways to predict it's quality.

It was competing with them. If they ever made a remake, it could hurt sales if it was different or better, and people preferred it.

It enters the commercial realm by trying to be official or having a brand or drumming up a following in any way.

>>381695659
All the ground tiles, samus, the powers, enemies from fusion, he didn't even try to hide the chozodia sprites.

>>381688389

If you're trying to sell an IP you actually own and there's a potentially competing unlicensed version of it free or not of course your going to want to shut it down. This is just /v/ and teenagers not understanding how the real world works yet again and using it as an excuse to do their favorite thing in the world. Complain and act entitled.

>>381696174
Fucking this why is /v/ full of underage bait that did not even pass reading comprehension back in school?

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>>381696174
He literally says
>So, I think there needs to be clarity in what the line is, and, in our view, the line is when an initiative crosses from being an homage to something that is monetizing our IP.
>monetizing
It's nothing at all to do with if it COULD be commercial. It was not monetized.

>>381696181
pic related

>>381688389

Nice fucking screen cap of text by the way. Excellent fucking use of the image board function. Totally what it was intended for, taking screen caps of text and twitter posts.

Why not just pay the guy a token sum and release AM2R themselves? Surely cheaper than paying some spaniards to develop a steaming pile of shit.

>>381696246
You literally don't know what you're talking about, do you? Since you're making a claim, go ahead and put a sprite of the AM2R Varia Suit next to the Zero Mission Varia Suit.

>>381696379
Profit also doesn't mean strict money terms, so you sure are trying your darnest to deconstruct your own arguments

>>381688389
Why cant they just make their own IP instead of using the metroid IP?


Japs do it all the time

Why don't they just steal his fan game and put it on the eShop?

>>381696496
Ass-backwards Japanese businessman pride.

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the amount of dick-sucking nintendo fans go through is frightening

i seriously don't get the reason for brand loyalty

>Millenials being made they can't get something for free again

Life's a bitch. See you in a gutter on the street in 5 years wondering where it all went wrong because nobody would give you a free place to stay most of /v/

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>>381696517
t. brainlet

If nintendo would go after Kaizo and other fan hacks people would actually care about it.

>>381696517
Profit means a FINANCIAL gain.

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>this thread again

this is why you idiots

>>381695881
That is totally believable for a 2D handheld game with a bunch of already designed assets in hand.
Their previous game would've been released in that same timetable, except it was delayed for not being good enough to ship.
>>381696227
Yeah, sorry about my black magic prognostication by "looking at their previous work."
I only brought up it's poor quality because of AM2R's high quality and how that makes it a "commercial game" somehow.

>>381696669
>financial advantage or benefit
Notice how it doesn't translate to "raw money"

Who's the brainlet here anon?

>>381694765
>It was branded and everything.
That alone is just a massive slippery-slope since "anything" can count as such, down to plaintext and in-product characters/etc.

Reggie's just spouting PR. Nintendo shut it down for total marketing-control purposes the same as Mario 64 HD and Pokemon Uranium, the official remake only doubling their defenses.

ANYTHING copyrighted and in the hands of fans that isn't a vague parody is grounds for Jews to shut you down forever. They don't have to do it (unless it violates trademark i.e. money, you can lose brands over that), but no corporation likes dealing with anything they don't have near-total control over. That's just modern exploited capitalism for ya'.

And no, Marxism is infinitely worse, before you think I support that shit.

>>381696742
The problem is, instead of just SAYING that, Reggie lied and said that AM2R was commercial itself.

>>381696748
>of already designed assets
From what Metroid game?

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>>381688389
>Wow, It's totally unthinkable that a company wants to defend its Intellectual Property against a game that blatantly sold assets
>fuck Nintendo for doing what every competent business on the planet would do!

AM2R was unauthorized fan project and would have inevitably competed with Nintendo's remake. They knew full well that this might happen, and it did. There is no reason to feel sorry for them or mad about the ordeal. It's business. Same thing applies to Sony properties, Microsoft properties, and Valve properties.

Don't like it? tough. that's the way the world works.

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>>381688389
This.

This shit right here is why I will NEVER buy another Nintendo product ever again. They are the only company to consistently take a huge fat dump on their consumer base. Every goddamn time. They don't care about gaming, or pushing the industry forward, all they care is about penny pinching everyone with overpriced toys and nostalgia baiting.

It was last generation that fully cemented it for me, cause it wasn't just how they handled the WiiU, but also all the bullshit they pulled simultaneously, like shutting down all the fan projects like AM2R and Project M, as well as all the Treehouse censorship shit.

And it didn't end there, but to disallow AM2R to be featured in the VGAs for best indie title. What a bunch of cunts. Yeah, you might have just been one guy with a lot of talent who slaved away for a decade making a game, but FUCK YOU, you touched our IP, so forget about getting recognition and a change to enter the industry, get fucked nerd, now buy a Nintendo Switch.


Fuck you Nintendo, fuck you so goddamn much. 27 years I've been supporting you, 27 goddamn years, and this is how you treat your fans. And you apologist fucks who defend them are even worse. This is why I will never buy a Nintendo Switch. I hope it all comes crashing down some day, and you, Reggie, and all the kike gooks over in Tokyo, and the mouthbreathing loyalists who defend your bullshit constantly all get what you deserve get FUCKED.

Yes, I'm FUCKING MAD.

Someone shold do a few palette swaps and change the names to like Nara Sumas and Doirtem and just claim it's a fucking metroid tributary remix under fair use at this point.

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>>381696804
It actually does.

>>381696850
*stole assets

whoops

AM2R is a better game than modern Nintendo could ever make
Of course they shut it down

>>381696748
What assets anon. Also the developer themselves said it was in development in 2 years

>>381696068

The thing you have to understand is that because of the zero sum way in which /v/ and millenial thinking works AM2R has now been elevated to the level of instant classic and all time masterpiece and now regardless of what happens with the remake it'll be shit. Establishing this clear polarized outlook will allow for maximum shitposting of Samus Returns upon release which is the ultimate goal in the long run.

Also no matter how shady or exploitative it feels like video game companies can be they'll always come out ahead of places like /v/ in the war of rhetoric and relevance to the majority of the world because they have PR people that can form sentences and make persuasive arguments as opposed to just shrieking and complaining like idiots. It is what it is.

>>381696576
Entirely missing the point. No one is crying over having to pay for games, they are angry because Nintendo has been going after fan games lately. They did the same with that god awful Pokemon Fangame, just bc it was leaking into the main stream.

>>381688389
If you made a cool thing
SHUT UP
THROW OUT THE LINK AND DONT ASK FOR MONEY

Nintendo cant unmake it
once its out its out
and now we get to play 2 versions of metroid 2

I AINT COMPLAININ

Metroid "fans" are the worst

>>381696932
Nope, it does not mean raw money, or direct money. It can also mean a advantage to your ability to make money or gather more money (aka your resume), which is what AM2R is doing. You posted it yourself retard

>>381696742
I can't tell who you're mad at.
No one in that pic is doing anything wrong, and neither matches what those groups are actually doing.

>>381696512
>Zero mission
He took it from fusion SA-X retard

>>381696963

>Presuming /v/ actually has a valid point and position with good or even any clear intentions in mind in the first place that it'll actually stick too for more than a day or two before flip flopping around as the need to shitpost and complain dictates.

See there's your first mistake right there immediately.

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Is there a reason why Nintendo fans are so mentally damaged?

>>381696963
Uranium never actually got DMCA'd.

>>381697053
any self proclaimed fan is the worst

>>381696669
>>381696735

Not strictly speaking, certainly not legally.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/profit
>Accession of good, valuable results, useful consequences, avail, or gain. The benefit, advantage, or pecuniary gain accruing to the owner or occupant of land from its actual use; as in the familiar phrase rents, issues and profits, or in the expression mesne profits.

You people really think this guy would have a leg to stand on legally if he went toe to toe with Nintendo on this?

>>381696963
>just bc it is leaking into the main stream
Oh well there you have it, a reason why those fan games are taken down. Reminder if you stay low you will be fine

>>381696835

So the developers would receive absolutely zero money of any kind from it?

No adverts, no donations, no "we're also developing this game you may want to check out...", no self promotion of the development team?

I'd wager an IP lawyer would take minutes to find an example of them benefiting commercially.

>>381696983

Nope, this is /v/, you have to choose one and hate the fuck out of the other as the worst thing ever conceived. Nothing can co-exist, it has to be black and white, us vs. them etc.

>>381697156
>No adverts
Nope.
>no donations
None.
>no "we're also developing this game you may want to check out..."
Nothing here.
>no self promotion of the development team?
Not this, either.

>>381697105
>Seeing /v/ as one hivemind.
You do realize these flip flops you are talking about are just people on the other side stating their arguements?

>>381696886
It already falls under fair use cause it uses original assets, and isn't commercialized. Nintendo just loves to abuse copyright law. Fair use is a defense in court, if you can't afford an attorney to defend you in court, well, then you're fucked. Nintendo knows this, and do it anyway. This is why they bully their fans in defense of their IP, yet totally let Chinese knockoffs, which use and monetize their characters totally slide. Because Chinese law is different, and they can't do anything about it.

>>381696865
Jesus this falseflagging is unreal

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>MLP Fighting game gets DMCA'd
>bronies shrug and move on, knowing that they can't do anything since it's based on a copyright product, even though it was a free game
>AM2R gets DMCA's
>BAAW SHILLTENDO ARE JEWS IT WAS A FREE GAME WAAAAAAAA

Metroid fans confirmed worse than bronies.

>>381697198
Only one thing can be good
Nothing else has the right to be good

>>381696742

>Food Analogy

>>381697325
Mane6 were taking donations.

>>381688389
Hello AM2R thread here is what Reggie means by this
>if someone else makes a Metroid 2 remake for free...we can't do it and charge for it
that is why they shut down AM2R.

>>381688389
It's ok when Nintendo does it.

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>>381697315
Original assets

UMMMM ANON

The fangame was already completed and released. Despite their shutdown it's still very easy to find. All they gained by this is giving more publicity to the free remake of the game they're remaking and making themselves look like fucking assholes. They should've shut it down years ago if anything.

>>381697325
>bronies shrug it off
actuallywe were pretty pissed off.

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>>381694739
>Yes that's how laws work
No it isn't. Are you fucking stupid?

>>381697325
There were plenty of fans of both projects who were pissed off about the DMCAs, and the devs of both projects just shrugged and moved on.
Don't be stupid.

>>381697456
>are you stupid
You trust your legal system that much?

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>>381697318
>falseglagging

Fuck you. You want another picture of my WiiU?

>>381697595
Sure anon, be sure to clean it first

Games are a lot less fun when their creators flagrantly treat them like a business

>>381697152
Yeah, people get why they are doing it. Problem is, that nintendo believes these games post a threat to their sales. And instead of competing with those games and bumping up their own game quality, they do the opposite and just try to make the fan games go away and keep releasing undercooked games. For fucks sake we are on the internet. Nothing just disappears. Believe me if there were good Kirby fan games around and they wouldn't get DMCA'd Nintendo would be forced to actually add something to the Kirby formula instead of releasing the same game they've already been releasing on the DS over and over again.

It literally does not matter if the game was free, not taking donations, or whatever. AM2R was MARKETED as a remake of METROID. Not an original game, not a side project BASED on Metroid, but a REMAKE of Metroid. There is absolutely zero chance Nintendo or ANY company would let this slide.

The fact of the matter is that Nintendo allowed the game to complete, release, get downloaded and mirrored, and THEN took it down. You entitled faggots can't get that simple fact through your skulls for some idiotic reason, but the fact that you can easily play this game right now shows how lenient they were with AM2R. Quit crying and being delusional.

>>381697723
Free-to-play games aren't that great either

What's the issue exactly? Nintendo protected their IP (which they have every right to do)

This fucking board needs to understand how business works..

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>>381688389
>commercial product
>no ability to donate to the creator, or to otherwise exchange goods, services, or money for the product

>>381697753
They do post a threat to sales, regardless of quality, since it is free compared to their paid product. Are you that naive, thinking all fans of the remake will go blow 40 bucks on something?

>>381697808
What? Free-to-play games are perfect examples of how the business mindset can ruin a game.
AM2R was actually free, not F2P.

Imagine Dota, Battlefield, and other fan games that got picked up by some one would have just been DMCA'd out of existence.

>>381697753
>undercooked games
Jesus fuck the game hasn't even come out yet

>>381697836
it's funny how /v/ tends to take the conservative viewpoint on everything now, but when a video game business tries to exert its rights in order to protect its property, people throw a bitchfit because >m-muh free game

You guys realize that by calling the game a Metroid remake, regardless of if it's free or not that influences public perceptions of the brand right? You can't release a "fan" version of Pepsi for free that may or may not be shit. Even if it's free you'd get shut the fuck down.

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>>381697667
>hurr, if you're not licking Nintendo's asshole 24/7 you're not a real fan.

It's you fags that pushed me over the edge too. I can't fucking stand you cunts. Had more fans taken up voice against Nintendo's bullshit in an attempt to get them to correct their ways, I might have held hope for a better future, but it's you shit eating retards who are always at their heel defending their every action that confirned it for me that Nintendo will never fucking change, as they'll always have you loyalist cunts to buy all their shit, and defend all their bullshit. Fuck you, so goddamn much.

>>381697918
Still missing the point. I'm not arguing from a business side, but from a consumer side. Nintendo does not want to innovate and just wants to make cheap games and rerelease them again and again for money. My point is that quality fan games pose a thread to that way of thinking, bc they have to compete with people at least trying.

>>381698043
This.
If you were Nintendo, why the fuck wouldn't you just hire the AM2R guys?
It's worked for Valve.

>>381698204
>>381697791
Fuck off communist cuck.

>>381697808
I'm not saying games shouldn't be a business

I'm saying look at the backlash to Take 2's decision to DMCA the GTAV modding tool. People love games as part of their life, but when you rule over them with a draconian fist, like it's the money that's important, not the games, it lessens them. I feel less like I'm enjoying something and more like I'm being exploited

>>381696865
>still supporting nintendo after they announced the wii
Kill yourself

The solution is for the AM2R guy to just replace the sprites and release it again just under the AM2R banner without any direct metroid IP usage, nintendo can't really let some big thing use their IP freely like that, even if it's a fan work.

>>381698290
Because all their devs are nip. And they don't like filthy gaijin messing with their stuff unless it's under direct supervision from Miyamoto himself, and he's a busy man.

>>381698264
You're a dumbass. Samus Returns is far more of a remake than AM2R.

>>381697378
and so were AM2R creators you fucking retard.

>>381698264
Nope, that is quite a shitty argument, given AM2R isn't all that great either.

>>381690418
Not saying that's impossible, but prior to AM2R's release, don't remember exactly when, Nintendo released a statement that they were working on two Metroid titles, one traditional 2D, and one 3D title. I think it was the same year they showed Federation Force at E3, but don't quote me on that.

This means that these games have been in development since before AM2R's release.

>>381698453
You are painfully misinformed.

>>381698290
because it is not worth it, they already have people who are able to make 2D metroid, they offer nothing to Nintendo besides a money drain

>>381698527
Then why didn't they just hire the AM2R guy?

>>381698104
I was talking about the 3 Kirby games on the 3ds and the HD one that's coming out for the Switch. I also was talking about New Super Mario Bros. And with this Metroid Nintendo isn't even trying either. Who thinks giving a beloved IP to a studio that has never made a good game is a good idea. If they had given the game to the studio/the guy that did axiom verge to develop it would at least be potentially good.

>>381698628
They don't that's why they outsourced it.

>>381698637
Have you played those kirby games? Robobot especially is quite different.

>>381698486
No, they weren't.

>>381697595
>tfw my Wii U would be dusty as fuck too if it weren't for Netflix
>or if the Switch had a Netflix app

>>381698741
It's shit.

>>381698736
Exactly, so they already have a partner they can go back to if they so wish to make another one. It is much easier for them than hiring someone who probably needs time to integrate into actual dev environment and who may not be an actual good fit for non-hobby development

>>381698628
They DONT have those people, MercurySteam are freelancers.
>>381698631
How should I know?
I think they're just retarded.
But FYI, the Prime games were made by westerners.

>>381698631
Because they're not hiring some random faggot who can remake a game well.

>>381698828
Netflix runs better on my PS4, since it's much easier to navigate and has faster loading times.

>>381698852
Take a screenshot anon, of your 3DS with those games!

You aren't a filthy shitposter are you?

>>381698741
I've played everyone of them except the Switch one of course. And I'm sorry to say it I gave up on the robot one. The robot did not add anything. It gives you a robot with some simple moves that do not change the gameplay in any significant way. The robot was just like an ability you'd need for certain parts.

>>381698907
Yeah, instead they just hire some random studio who can't make good games.

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>>381688389
>Mr. Sakamoto who created Metroid

GO

FUCK

YOURSEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLFFFFFFFFFFF

>>381698954
I don't have one of those, and I prefer it over the Xbone because I can switch my TV over to my PC and just turn the volume up on the gamepad and keep watching.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF REGGIE IS LYING

>>381697852

>attach the names of every person working on the project on the site
>buy numerous booths at conventions that you attend in person

Self promotion is a commercial benefit, if you become famous as the developer you stand to benefit financially from it.

>>381698875
>they are just retarded
Are you fucking retarded? Do you even know what kind of pandora's box they will open? Any wannbe autist will beg and beg to get hired because they remade some game. Plus, the Am2R guy took 10 years, ten fucking years to remake a game, and you think he will fit well into the AAA development schedule?

Are you faggots underage or just deluded?

>>381698907
>in Game Maker, meaning it can't be ported, and only after 10 years.

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>>381694575
>>381695595
Holy shit if you read it, everything starts to make a lot of sense, how fucking dumb of them

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>>381698968
Anything else shithead?

>>381699032
Bull fucking shit, the robots are not even the most important gameplay change, it is the removal of the gimmick from triple deluxe

>>381699256
So how can they meaningfully expand on the 2D kirby formula?

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Why is it so hard for you idiots to understand that a fan game can undermine the sales of an official product?
If you created a chair that you wanted to monetize on, and suddenly a fan came up with a similar, smaller chair as a fan "tribute" for free for your customers, a good chuck of said customers will opt for the free option since that free option will satisfy a need that you were already covering for a fee, but since they got it for free already, you end up with nothing.
You will say "but the other chair is different!", well, not a lot of customer think like that, they will get the free option and move on to other things, unless you're willing to shell out money on extra advertising to make sure they understand that your chair is the definitive experience, and different from the free chair that's available out there.

It's not fucking hard to get.

>>381699290
I don't get what you are trying to say. Nonetheless my point is the games play indentically for most of the part and use the same shitty engine.

>>381699396
You don't.

Mass Attack and Canvas Curse were the best the franchise ever was. Give it a fucking rest and make more games with your other IP that have been sitting untouched for years.

But I thought Reggie and Nintendo was our friends?

>people ITT imply that Nintendo purposely let the game finish before sending the DMCA so the fans could "enjoy it"
>with the full knowledge that it would cannibalize their own Metroid 2 remake's sales

So, any of you want to make that defense now? That Nintendo cared for the little guy all along and purposely delayed their DMCA because "they cared"?

>>381699584
Holy moly that fucking shit taste. Mass attack was horrid

>>381690192
>stole assets

100% custom spritework and the vast majority of the sounds are from common libraries.

>>381699531
Why is it so hard for you to understand that isn't the problem, here? The problem is that Reggie lied and said that AM2R was a commercial product.

If he had just came out and said, in clear English, that AM2R was going to cut into their profits since it was a free game, then there'd be no issue. It makes sense.

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>>381699531
>some customers are stupid, so everyone has to suffer under stringent copyright laws

Hello corporate shill.

>>381698385

He's already committed the offence, AM2R is out in the wild and it's his fault. Nintendo could go back and take him to the cleaners in court for that if he took the mick .

A C&D is a company being nice and not making to big of a fuss. They could have gone straight to a judge and got his house raided.

>>381699656
Maybe, or it just slipped under their radar until it blew up on release
>>381699735
Pretty sure it stole SA-X sprites

>>381699687
It was much better than all the other garbage the franchise has shit out.

>>381699396
Look at>>381699584
And if you want to fix kirby make it actually faster, more difficult later on in the game and bring smth new to the table, that actually affects the game. I don't know what that would be, but if they cannot come up with something meaningful maybe there's no point in releasing a new one?

>>381699767
AM2R is a commercial product, based on the definition of profit in law>>381697136

It is simply "valuable results"

>>381699801
>Maybe, or it just slipped under their radar until it blew up on release
that sounds like their fault to be honest. If they want to be stringent on copyright, they shouldn't be lazy about it and wait ten years.

>>381699774
Hello communist that want everything for free because muh freedoms.

>>381699909
They do something meaningful, it is just not enough for you and you only, judging by consistent sales. And see shit taste? Man good argument. Mass attack barely plays like kirby in the first place.

>>381699795
>playing nice
>oh boy do I love sucking corporate cock!! Please Mr. Nintendo, give it to me HARDER! I'll be your corporate slave, I'll do anything, just MORE give me MORE! Fuck my rights, I just want MORE!!

>>381688389
>ignore fan favorite IP for years
>outsource to developers with a history of only shit games to make a new entry that is a departure from everything fans loved about the series
>take down nonmonetized fan remakes that's better than anything they've done with the series in a decade so that it doesn't outshine the official remake once they finally decide to start working on it (which will probably be shit comparatively)

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>>381700002
>customer makes a superior product to the original
>this is somehow communist

>>381700139
>departure from everything fans loved
Like...? Most things seem accounted for

>>381699916
What are the valuable results that AM2R tried to acquire? Because to me it's sounding like you're saying that anything ever made ever is a commercial product, even without the intent to profit.

You're saying that the big fat dump I just took is a commercial product.

>>381696063
>AM2R would have taken sales away from Nintendo's product
Prove it. Prove Metroid fans wouldn't be clamouring to buy a Nintendo-made Metroid game even if they're just downloaded AM2R.

>>381700038
>Mass attack barely plays like kirby in the first place.
And neither does Canvas Curse, and that + the challenge is what makes them good. The classic Kirby formula has always been boring dogshit.

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>>381700218
This released a few days later.

>>381700173
>superior to an unreleased product
Yeah nah

>>381700205
Padding out your resume. Fame, recognition.

>>381700424
>Padding out your resume. Fame, recognition.
Prove it, because I see no evidence of this being the case.

>>381700392
That was because Other M left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. Pushing co-op and multiplayer kiddy garbage was bound for failure.

>>381700424
>Yeah nah
If AM2R isn't superior to the new Metroid games, then Nintendo has no worry that it'll cannibalize their sales.

>>381690787
and Samus Returns could be 11 years ago for the DS then moved to 3DS. who the fuck knows

>>381700205
Yes the dump you took is a commercial product if the lawyers can make it seem like you did it to get valuable results. Fortunately no one owns the IP for dump so they do nothing

>>381700038
Look if you still enjoy the newer kirby games that's fine. People still buying them? Well the robot game sold 40 percent less. People not getting tired of IPs? They actually innovated? Well it's kinda subjective, but believe you me there's a reason why people don't talk about kirby anymore these days.

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Nintendo, like any big company, doesn't care about people. They care about profits. If they think they stand to gain more from shutting down a fan project, you can bet they will. There's nothing someone can do about it anyway, even if it is legal. They stand to damage their livelihood from the legal fees, whereas someone like Nintendo could pay 10x the amount and not bat an eye.

>>381700078

They didn't have to send him a C&D, they were well within their rights to put him in front of a judge.

A C&D really is a company being 'nice' when telling you to stop.

>>381700515
>no evidence
Maybe the fact that the creator's name is known to all is evidence enough for you? If you truly wanted none of that you would have stayed anonymous

>>381700515

His name is on the site, he attended conventions.

Juries only need to be 51% sure that being known as the creator of AM2R would provide a benefit for his career.