https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art icle/kzqd5n/in-this-tiny

>>381646021
vice
>How are you talking about monetization here, because with AM2R, that was a game that anyone could download for free, and again I think, for fans, there was this notion of, "go talk to that person," or "go talk to other fan creators" and see if there's a way to not kill that project, to investigate the ideas that happening there that are exciting, who knows.
RFA
>But again, to differentiate this, we have had conversations with entities that started as fans and became more of a business partner. Those conversations happen all the time, but again, when something transitions to a commercial product, and that's what [AM2R] was—there wasn't a charge, but it was now a commercial product.
vice
>I guess I need... what's the definition of "commercial product" for Nintendo?
RFA
>Well, again, it's all about... How do we protect our intellectual property? How do our creators, like Mr. Sakamoto, who created Metroid, and Nintendo control that intellectual property so that we can drive where it's going, versus someone else driving where it's going.
>That's where the line is very clear for us. And again, we could go on to YouTube and a variety of different places and see fans doing interesting things with our IP. But when it turns to driving the direction of the IP, or somehow monetizing or becoming a commercial project, that's where for us, the line has been crossed.

I got the feeling reggie didn't really know what AM2R is

>>381646021
Nintendo let AM2R release, get downloaded and mirrored before shutting it down. You can stop autistically pasting news articles from Reddit now.

>>381646021
please just fuck off and enjoy the incoming game.

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>>381646127

That's because they had no idea what it was until it got released and got neotendo's attention. You can stop defending a trash company as if they are the good guys because "lol at least they killed the project when the game was released", how much of a cuck do you have to be.

>>381646091
He was dancing around it and didn't want to out right say, "this fan game using our IP will impact sales so we canned it"
They were 100% in the right to do so, thinking otherwise is autistic

>Literally use sprites and assets, along with map design from an existing product
>VICE going for the jugular for no reason

I bet they think that Sonic Mania is without precedent on Whitehead's end as well. If the AM2R dev had actually done work with Nintendo before, then maybe.

>>381646494
This. It's not even a fan game, it's an outright remake.

>>381646329
>Nintendo totally had no idea a 10 year project that was super famous as fuck was being made about one of their most famous ip's
Yeah, no.

>>381646021
>>381646091
That's because Reggie doesn't know shit about video games or use the internet. The nigga came from VH1, unlike nearly every Japanese face you see at Nintendo.

I swear even Bill has more experience and knowledge about video games than Reggie.

He's really just there as a PR guy to pretend like NoA is actually worth the money.

>>381646494
>"canned"

They didn't can a thing considering it was finished and the entire world has played it.

>>381646614
>muh romhack meme

stupid
as
fucking
shit

>>381646021

>Have a remake of Metroid 2 in the works, won't be ready for at least another year or more.
>"Oh shit, some dude remade our game and released it for free on the internet!"
>Own the IP, homage, while nice, is a competing product.
>Money on the line
>Call up your army of lawyers and save your bottom line.


Not a great situation to be in, but the game industry isn't charity.

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>>381646769
It's not a romhack, but it uses Zero mission assets for Samus' sprites I believe.

I never said it was a romhack anon,
use of assets is why Blizzard attempted to shut down OW porn artists, that's not a romhack, is it?

Stop deflecting because of their reasonable business move. Stuff like Project M and Uranium getting C&D'd is far less understandable than a direct remake.

>>381646329
All companies do this, retardo. It's not even about money, you gotta protect your brands. The sooner retards that create fan games the better. If they want to make a game, create your own IP instead.

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>>381646021
I don't get why these fangames don't just make their games in to something original if they want to compete with Nintendo so badly

>>381646919
This, also can you fucking blame them? Piracy is so fucking rampant. Your grandmother can learnt o hack her 3DS in an afternoon and kids are just downloading emulators and roms on their phones.

Nintendo gives you the Nes Mini and VC as legal, cheap alternatives, but people are so fucking unwilling even at that point to abide.

Fuck people desu, you're all trash.

>>381647239
Why pay when I can get it for free and use emulators that are more accurate than the ones Nintendo uses?

>>381646021
>vice
>since Nintendo let the project live until it was released (and thus anyone that wants it can get it), we gotta find something really stupid to bitch about
>"UUUHHH NINTENDO, WHY DIDN'T YOU SUCK THE FAN PROJECT'S DEVELOPER'S DICK?????????????? WE <3 INDIES HERE!!!"

why do these people have a job?

>>381647228
Yeah lmao its almost like they don't want to compete with nintendo and are instead filling a need which nintendo refused to fill because they're out of touch and incompetent??? So weird haha

>>381646329
>That's because they had no idea what it was until it got released
Yeah because it wasn't totally a huge talking point for the last 10 years in the Metroid community.

>>381646021
Did no one else notice he posted a link to the wrong article

>>381646091
>>381646021
To be fair, it WAS "hosted on commercial websites", which would probably hold up in court as a "commercial release".

>>381646750
This. I mean, I'm pretty sure Reggie is a cool guy, it's just that it's obvious he doesn't give a fuck about videogames. The illusion was broken for me during that Sm4sh tournament. Why the fuck did the clown show up to that when he OBVIOUSLY had never even picked a video game controller in his entire life? Like, the guy was struggling to make his character move. Then he got salty when the autist he was playing with was shittalking him. Again, what the fuck did he expect? That was the moment when I realized that Reggie is just a character, not at all different from that shitty playstation exec sony made up a few years ago.

>get AM2R for free
>now get an official remake
Metroidbros we truly are blessed

Relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwP6uuYOWo

>>381647858
Congratulations, you clicked on a vice article, you fucking idiot.
>>>/reddit/

>>381647965
>wanting to check if OP has an actual source or if he's just bullshitting greentext makes you reddit now
Retard.

>>381647239
>Piracy is so fucking rampant
It's not. 3ds piracy is extremely small compared to the DS, PSP and Wii because it's still a fairly long process.

>>381647760
>people STILL upset a mediocre romhack got cancelled despite it being everywhere
1) They shouldn't have called it Another Metroid 2 Remake
2) They shouldn't have use Nintendo's assets/IPs (think Freedom Planet)
3) They shouldn't have set their rabbid Metroidfans against the entire Internet with the Metroid is dead meme.

Fucking retards who made AM2R

>>381647467
>that are less accurate than the ones Nintendo uses?
Ftfy

>>381647874
That's fucking weasel wording and they fucking damn well know it.

>>381647616
Fangames are disgusting. I will NEVER play some fat neckbeard's interpretation of a property. Just like how I despise fanart and fanfiction and refuse to support those. But there's so much fascination for them--I guess people are just incredibly autistic. I hate mods for that very reason. The only thing that matters is the creator's vision, and even the cover up of "it's lore friendly" doesn't mean shit. I don't even care if the fans do it better--and let's be real, they never do. The only thing that ever matters is the vision of the creators. So you're shitty little fangame can go fuck itself. AM2R a shit.

>>381648192
Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>381648039
>Just before noon California time (19:00 GMT), Reggie's personal assistant became concerned when he did not respond to knocks on the door, he said. The assistant entered the room and found Reggie dead and cool to the touch.

>After a post-mortem examination on Tuesday morning, investigators determined the preliminary cause of death to be asphyxia by hanging, but officials were waiting on the results of toxicology testing before making a final ruling.

Source: www.lemonparty.org

Click it for mad upboats, reddit.

>>381648283
Anon, you seem unreasonably mad. I suggest turning off your computer and getting some rest.

>>381648279
We're discussing the retarded romhack, AM2R, and the sad bag of shit who made it.

"Gee Mr Mean Evil Business Man - why won't you let a group of developers completely remake one of your existing IP when you're still selling the original on your digital store?"

MAKE ORIGINAL IP, YOU STUPID FUCKS.

There has never been a better time to draw a fanbase to a world or lore or set of characters that you create.

Look at these fundamentally successful examples:

https://rdein.itch.io/

http://freedomplanet.galaxytrail.com/

http://yachtclubgames.com/shovel-knight/

>>381648223
For N64 emulation, yes, you are right, but for NES and SNES though? Mesen and Higan are more accurate than what Nintendo uses.

>>381648192
>mad
>game released and is widely available
>mad
You realise the point was that the game could have been canned long before completion but wasn't right?

>>381646698
>>381647126
>>381647760

Oh, my b, who knew that neotendo, the company that literally said "we don't know why other m sold so badly" and that decided federation force was a good idea actually knew all along that AM2R was a thing. Hell not even I knew it existed until it was released, you can bet your ass the average joes at nintendo had no clue this project was a thing, they didn't even know what to do with metroid for over 10 years, stop being retarded.

>>381646750
>The nigga came from VH1, unlike nearly every Japanese face you see at Nintendo.
>Nintendo of Japan is filled with Japanese people
>But Nintendo of America has an American?? Where did he come from
Insightful observations by a namefag.

>>381648351
>Get called out for being an obvious newfag
>I-I'll just call him mad!
Everytime. Suppose I'm mad, what would you do about it in a forum with no downvotes?

>>381648467
Anon, I'm worried about you. It's not healthy to be this mad. Please calm down.

>>381648458
>Hell not even I knew it existed until it was released,
How could you not?

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>nintendo shuts down AM2R
>nintendo removes MAJOR first party roms from emuparadise
>only now promising a virtual console
>vc not even shown to have gamecube
>likely $5.99 a game

fuck i shouldn't have bought le switch yet
its obvious what nintendo are doing

So why does /v/ hate AM2R now?

>>381647228
this post is pasta complete with image, try harder shill.

>>381648585
Friendship ended with AM2R
Samus Returns is my new best friend

@381648525
That's enough (you)s for one night young man, go back to bed and don't forget to turn off your computer.

>>381648545

Literally you only knew it existed if you cared enough about metroid to look it up, I was done with metroid after prime 3 and there hasn't been a new game in the franchise since, why would I care.

>>381648564
>>only now promising a virtual console
What? When? How did I miss this?

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>wah wah why did nintendo do this

here's your answer

Now here's what reggie shouldve said and moved on to the next question: "They used our IP without permission so we shut it down"

Thats literally all he had to say

>>381648461
Meaning that all the jap faces you see on directs/stage have actually had a hand in game development or play video games.

Unlike reggie or cammie dunway or whatever NoA clown they create, anonfag.

>/v/ isn't /nintendogaf/ they said
>/v/ doesn't have paid shills and viral marketers they said

>>381648708
>a company created solely to market and localize games is comprised of marketers and people who never developed games before
Really makes you think.

>>381648725
>Vice nu-male writer mad /v/ won't side with him
F-feminism, help me!!!!

>>381648638
But we don't even know if Samus Returns is good.

And everyone, except /v/, says AM2R is great.

>>381646021
>>381646091

>dude, can you just.... like..... NOT??!?!?! ugh just let them use your IP's ugh I literally cant even right now

start a t-shirt business "remaking" old nike & adidas shoes and let us know the results, just dont charge any money for them and you're fine.

>>381648708
Bill Trinen's served as the face of NoA for Nintendo Direct a lot, and he does actual game work and plays games.

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>>381648671
fuck sorry anon meant the online game choice thing

but still
>no VC yet, not even a word
>going to be overpriced as fuck anyway

:(

>>381648640
Alright anon, don't forget to stay hydrated. Maybe take a warm bath. It'll help you not be so mad.

>something is free so that means you can take control of someone else's IP

retarded nintenbabies

>>381648914
>business
>same thing as a fan project without monetization
Yes anon perfect analogy.

>>381646021
Thanks, Reggie I plan to buy Samus Returns for the 3DS the OFFICIAL METROID 2 REMAKE.

Nintendo has a right to protect their intellectual property so fuck off. If fans want to create games "in the tradition of metroidvania" then let them create an original game

>>381646091
>like Mr. Sakamoto, who created Metroid

He didn't create it Reggie you fucking retard. He had nothing to do with Samus' creation either. God they'll take any opportunity to spit on Yokoi's grave, won't they?

>>381649062
Or they could just wait until they finish the game and then announce it and release it.

That way it's too late for the company to do anything.

>>381649095
Glad I'm not the only one pissed off that they keep calling him that. They called him that on Treehouse Live too.

Maybe next time these dumbass faggots should make their own Metroidvania instead of stealing Nintendo's ip, fucking retards.

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>it's another /v/ has infinite knowledge of laws regarding copyright, trademark, and fair use yet refuses to give a publicly traded corporation an quick black eye while making money suing for damages episode

don't you wanna help all the poor e-celebs that rely on youtube monetization?

It's a shame for the guy who developed it, but in defense of Nintendo, they waited precisely until the game was done and spread across the internet before "taking it down". It was a thing for 10 years and they waited until a few days after its final release to act. There was even a playable demo and more, and they still didn't take it down, they waited until the final release was done and downloaded and spread out across the internet and now it's there forever. So who gives a fuck?

yes they knew how fucking desperately you wanted this piece of shit game and they waited until you got it, and then they did what they had to do, because they were legally bound to do that and now they're even doing an official Metroid 2 remake and you don't even have to buy it either because they put it on the one platform that literally everyone hacked at this point

TL;DR who cares?

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>>381648271
This.

Who the fuck wants to play an autistic interpretation of an actual IP anyway? Fangames are absolute fucking dirt. This game has no reason to exist and the fact that anyone is actually trying to argue that it's okay to profit off of someone else's work is beyond retarded.

>>381648271
This, I can't fucking wait for Samus Returns.

I hope Microsoft takes done those Halo fangames.

>>381646021
>>381646091
Christ that interviewer is retarded.
>Nintendo is making a remake of Metroid II
>a fan-made remake of Metroid II is available, for free
>"why you take it down, they weren't try to sell it"
How much of a brainlet do you have to be to not understand that AM2R is harmful to Nintendo's sales?

>>381650168
It's not that they're retarded it's that they're trying to publicly shame Nintendo

>>381646329
lol who's gonna fucking read all that

>>381648846
>counter with sjw accusation

nice one reddit

>>381646021
Lets be real

AM2R was a cute and flawed fangame,Let's not act like it some masterpiece better than official Metroid games.

And the creator had a Patreon or some shit

>>381650556
Yeah. It's pretty cringe and pathetic, quite honestly.

>>381647945
Nobody gives a shit about some talentless youtube fucker, dude.

Why people is so mad about this.
Milton already say than nintendo is not doing anything wrong.
If you care about the work of Milton (the creator of AM2R) just support his future game (than sadly he want make using Unity).

>>381651741

You do know Japan has protection against for doujin shit right? Fucking reddit nigger. While I agree about the patreon was the main reason it was shut down as it should be.

>>381650168
>>381651839
Holy shit you nintenbros are fucking autistic am2r is out, it's on the internet in the public domain no matter if Nintendo took a DMCA directly to the dude there will be other ways to get it so they're not saving money or whatever by taking it down to try and boost their own sales

>>381653230
But the game was not shut down.

Nintendo leave him release the game.

>>381651741
>Let's not act like it some masterpiece better than official Metroid games.

But it was better than several of them.

>>381646021
in what way was am2r being monetized

>>381653537
The game wasn't know until after it was released you fucking mexican't.

>>381653735
it wasn't, it was a free project put out at no cost.

nintendo just threatened because it's better than they've treated the franchise in the last 5 years.