How did a low budget, rehashed 3DS game manage to be better

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It wasn't tho, anon

>>381632450
it only needed to improve everything on an already good game
Persona 5 otherwise started from scratch

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>>381632450
>muh low budget under perform game is better than your favorite game
The edge.

>>381632450
The gameplay was better, but that's it. The relationships tried to be like a Persona game but actual Persona games handle them much better.

>>381633548
It can be true in some cases. Look at Hearts R.

why does the mc look like such a faggot

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>>381632450
But Apocalypse is terribly written and it only had slight improvements over IV's gameplay. The characters were awful, the morality system was terrible. Going on the friendship path leads to a stupid scene where Dagda gets remade not to be an asshole, which should have been done to begin with.

Toki and Nozomi are waifubait and their inclusion in the game was cringy at best and immersion ruining at worst.

Nocturne is still on top, baby.

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>>381633548
You mean Persona 5 is your favorite game?

>>381632450
>worst smt to date
>better thann the brat persona game to date
Apocalypsebabies are getting more and morr annoying desu.

>>381633745
Nozomi isn't waifubait she's expositionbot/plot shepherd. And one of the flattest (not her tits) onee-san type characters I've ever known.
Also Toki is forgiven on all accounts because I want to fuck Toki.

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>>381633895
N-No yes .
Fuck you I love it, it's the best game I've played in years .

>>381632450
All Atlus games are like the same shit anyways

I honestly have no idea why their fanbases even argue with each other

>>381633515
>IV
>already good

Apocalypse doesn't even have as good an OST as IV (outside of the boss themes),

What platforms are SMT 1 to 3 on?

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>>381633895
it's mine

>>381633745
Danu wanted to do that as a last resort. What she did was basically killing her own child and replacing him. Would you do that right off the bat if your kid just had a different opinion from you? Or would you try to change their mind and only recreate them if they were endangering the life of another? (Nanashi was getting killed right there and then and would have died had Danu not intervened)

>>381632450
Be honest with me. I don't care about comparing to other games. Is Apocalypse a good game?

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>>381632450
>Apocalypse
>good
not with that last dungeon, it can go fuck itself. The only thing they improved over 4 was the map of Tokyo.
You're better off buying Skyrim.

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>>381633895
Yes.

>>381634550
SMT I and II was originally on SNES (like every game was) with PS1, GBA and mobile ports

3 was on PS2

>>381634678
2/2 Also, and probably most important, Danu didn't have that power yet until she absorbed the last remnants of Innana

>>381633745
>But Apocalypse is terribly written and it only had slight improvements over IV's gameplay.
Well, the game started out originally as going to be a Maniax edition of IV. Which Nocturne had the luxury of receiving. Sometimes I think IV getting the Maniax game would've been better than Apocalypse; it'd help IV stand on its own a bit better. A lot of glaring flaws from IV were fixed. Like STR being useless. Or copy pasted demons having 1 of 5 different stat spreads. As it is now IV just ends up feeling like a prototypical version of what comes in Apocalypse.

So is ATLUS ever going to put Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga and Raidou on PS4? I still want to play them. Don't have a PS3 and my computer is old.

>>381634783
Hm, rather weird release schedule they have going for this series. Seems like it's often put on hold.

>>381634760
Yes.

>>381633515
>started from scratch
It's just P3/4 with actual dungeons.

>>381635112
Between 2 and 3 there was several spin-off made: Devil Summoner, Soul Hackers, there's also SMT If (mainline) that lead into the spin off Persona 1

>>381632450
Why did they sell it for $50 if it's low budget?

Because it had better girls and best god Dagda

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It lets you kill your friends

>>381637701
Who did everyone make their herald? I chose Isabeau.

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>>381637629
Also best boy

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>>381632450
Because it had Toki.

>>381632450
Whenever I think about how lame your P5 party is, I remember SMTIV:A and think "Hey it could always be worse"

>>381632450
But it didn't though?

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>>381632450
Better gameplay. It's much more fun to play than persona. It lacks its visual coesivness though, and the writing in persona, while annoying, was still better.

>>381634760
It's good. It's a step up from 4 in every way and the combat is addicting at times
It's a budget game though so don't expect it to be P5 levels of visual entertainment but they try their best

>>381633745
>But Apocalypse is terribly written
It's not that bad, really. they did some new and interesting things to the story that would've otherwise made it a huge snore like 4.

>>381639523
>It lacks its visual coesivness though
Agreed. It's jarring to see them use Kaneko's old portraits like jack frost mixed in with his super detailed ones like Power.

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Better gameplay mechanics, more fun to play as it's just pure 100% gameplay and no boring sim elements (that got railroaded and watered down hard in P5), a better, larger and more varied soundtrack, a fuckton of demons to recruit. Persona is so fucking boring to play because SMT shines the most with its boss fights, and Persona has the least amount of those. You get one boss every 10 hours whereas in SMT4A you get one every 1-2 hours during the first half and then one every 20-30 minutes during the last half of the game. It's fucking nuts. I love it.

>>381634776
>He doesn't like the Disco Dimension
I REJECT YOU, TODD

>>381634783
>Doesn't mention the PC Engine and Mega CD ports

The Mega CD port of SMT 1 is arguably the best version.

>>381637831
I picked Nozomi because even if she was a cunt, she wasn't a lying cunt as far as I could recall. Unlike Toki who did a 360 walkaway as soon as you decided to side with Dagda.

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>>381632450
By having the best girl in SMT history.

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IT'S NOT FAIR

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>>381641931
I believe you posted the wrong girl (girls).

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>>381641931
She's a good dog!

>>381632450
You could completely cut out Nozomi,
Hallelujah, and Asahi, and the game would barely change if not improve.

>>381634550
Fun fact: the only official localization and best port of the game is on the iOS, but it flopped so abandon any hope of it getting a console release.

>>381643090
Patrician

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>smug snake chomps my waifu
>not hot on this friendshit stuff anymore
>fight Odin
>friends want me to rely on them
>Dadga says rely on him
>choose neither
>"That's mai boyo"
>friends mad as fuck

>>381634678
Dagda wasn't capable of going through with his plans on his own, all he did was take away his own power from Nanashi. Like what the fuck, you think he should be FORCED to be a slave for someone who doesn't agree with his ideals? That he absolutely has to die for that, and not only that, be replace with a pod-person clone tailor-made to suck Nanashi and co's dick? That's fucked up.

Danu could have just as easily left Nozomi's body and entered Nanashi's. She wasn't using Danu to keep herself alive, and she sure as fuck wasn't actually doing anything worthwhile as "Queen of the Fairies" when she was fucking off taking photos while the forest burned. But instead it was more important to risk her friend Nanashi's life by not giving him the power because she's honestly being a power-hungry cunt.

>>381644924
>Then come, lone warrior!

That was fucking neat.

>>381641189
IDK how SMTV is going to top SMT4A's bosses. Just about every fight was hype and I've never enjoyed getting BTFO more than I have with this game

>>381632450
>low budget
You are retarded.

>>381647653
The ost as well my nigga. A masterpiece

>>381633619
Hearts R was worse than the original

What's the difference between vanilla SMT4 and Apocalypse anyway?

>>381637831
Isabeau also

>>381637831
Nozomi purely because she was the most useful with my main party.

>>381632450
>apocalypse
>better than 5
laughingwhores.jpg

>>381647902
Apocalypse is a spin-off that acts as an alternative ending to SMTIV's Neutral Route. You interact with IV's cast to varying extents, but you're playing as a different protagonist.

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>>381637701
>tfw finally got rid of all the shitty partners
Feels good.

>>381648287
I understand I should play both then, I thought it was another of Atlus remakes.

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>>381648415
They just wouldn't understand my new world.

>>381632450
SMT4:A
>gameplay
was great except for nerfing the shit out of Salvation and Antichiton, buff it back a notch
>story
has to play idiot ball for a few hours until the new plot starts rolling or else it won't even happen, rest is okay-ish except the friendship ending
>characters
too damn limpwristed and submissive, Gaston was the only one who could think by himself without sucking Nanashi's Godslayer cock. Also Nozomi's a cunt
>routes
they're just pulling full faggotery friendship vs edgelord without a inbetween, kills the point of neutral routes

7/10
go for the gameplay and completely forget about it once you're satisfied

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>>381641931
>best girl
>not dagdaddy

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>>381632450
How did a no budget, copy pasted fangame manage to be better than any entry in Atlus's historic SMT series?

>>381650595
>being a touhou brony
what game

>>381648974
>kills the point of neutral routes
The "inbetween" was the original Neutral route in IV. If anything was killed, it was the neutralfag notion that "inbetween" is always best and devoid of extremes.

Because SMTIV:A has what a good name needs, good gameplay. Persona 5 has fantastic presentation but gameplay, demon selection, bosses and arguably ost are far better in SMTIV:A

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>casino palace in P5
>Thor shows up as a boss, with his design from Nocturne but in HD
Pretty hype moment desu lads. A perfect taste of what SMT V should be like.

>>381634336
It's not even the best Persona game, please off yourself

>>381651309
>but gameplay
>no VIT
>but smirk stays in
Not as awful as IV, but demons are still made of paper and an ambush is almost insta death.

>>381644924
>even Odin compliments you for it
Friendshipfags are in ruin, how could anyone pick Bonds?

>>381651691
Get me something as good as IV's glorious boss themes and I'm all set

>>381651691
The 3D models they showed in the reveal trailer were a bit too light for my liking, probably because they were recycling Persona-models which are heavily cel shaded as well. They showed off the teaser half a year ago, so they've probably made a lot of progress since then. Odin was looking fresh.

>>381651091
>friendfaggot or kill your friends boyo
>no option for middleground between the two bullshit extremes
neutrals aren't always the best, and polarizing decisions with no inbetween makes for limiting decisions

>>381652674
There isn't always a middle ground.

>>381653216
Divine Powers

I'm hoping they get a new shot in SMT V

>>381650770
Looks like labyrynth of touhou 2

Anyone have link to Taimanin Asagi romhack of SMTIV?

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>>381653515
>Taimanin Asagi romhack of SMTIV
Wait what?

>>381648651
>taking photos of a tiny screen
C'mon now. Either hack your 3DS and use the built in screenshot function or just use the screenshot function from the Miiverse and then download on your PC.

>>381650595
>bad EO clone
>somehow it's a copy pasted SMT game

>>381651881
Not really. Have you played on war? Most balanced smt to date. Hordes have a shitload of hp

>>381635172
>It's just P3/4 with actual dungeons.
>which is just earlier persona games
>which are just SMT games

where are you going with this, nigger? Did you forget that P2 and P1 exists, and other SMt games before that? You're post doesn't make sense to me.

>>381635172
Yes unfortunately these non generated dungeons were really shit and repetitive compared to the rng dungeon shit.
Both were bad but p5's dungeon dragged on forever

>>381655070
Everything on the enemy side has a shit load of HP to be fair, and MP cost is double the amount of other games without affinities(I like it that way though)

>>381651309
I wish Persona 5 had a 'harder than hard' difficulty setting that wasn't 'nerf your EXP gains into the ground, and change nothing else'. At the very least, let me choose what goes into NG+, so I can carry over social stats and maybe money, but ditch everything else.
Also holy hell nerf Swift Strike, you get it at Lv19, but it's the one of the strongest phys skills until Samurai Meme Man.

>>381655147
p3,p4 and p5 follow the exact same formula though

>>381634336
It's okay to like things, Anon.

>>381655339
What? They weren't exactly hallmarks of design, but RNG dungeons were a lot more boring, just because they were RNG. Palaces' gimmicks were annoying at times, but they are also a lot better than nothing interesting at all.
Or do you seriously think Mementos aren't boring as shit? You even got a RNG dungeon for comparison in the same game you're talking about.
I still find it infinitely funny though, that it's actually mandatory. I wonder if there was any poor sap who just never went to Mementos after deciding they were boring as fuck, and then got hit with "You hate RNG? Oh, then go through 100 floors of them at once right now, and don't forget to beat all the bosses on the stations on the way". I actually went there diligently, but I wonder if anyone legitimately got a "fuck you" from the game that way.

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>>381641931
Wrong.

>>381655915
Apparently there were one or two players. To be fair, Mementos is only 66 floors, and the only compulsory bosses are at the end of each section. The biggest downside to being forced to reach the bottom on the last day is that they switch off the party banter in the Monavan.

Imagine being the poor sap who neglected the 250+ floors of Tartarus until January in P3.

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>>381656263

>>381656263
>>381656343
Any chance of a link before I go google diving?

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>>381656343

>>381656078
I thought about it a bit more, and it's actually really hard to do now that I think about it, since every non-party Confidant needs somebody beat up to go past Level 7/8, so if you want to max somebody other than the main party, you need to go to Mementos occasionally, and these bosses are spread across different sections too.
Actually, I wonder if they made every single Confidant require that because they wanted to prevent people from just ignoring Mementos completely.
But still there were people who didn't? Did they just not max any non-party member at all?
Also, with Tartarus the only way to grind was in Tartarus. So, if you didn't, you most likely weren't able to beat Full Moon Shadows. And grinding is best at an appropriate floor, so I imagine it was even harder to ignore Tartarus.

>>381656403
I was looking into it myself, hence my question above. All i've got are these pics from archive.

>>381643037
DELET THIS

>YHVH's second form
what the fuck were they thinking?

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>>381656493
Damn, well thanks for the quick response, anon. I'm looking now too. If I find a link I'll post it here.

>>381632450
to be fair the bar wasn't exactly very high...

>>381632450
what game is this?

Is Nocturne really as good as everyone says it is?

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>>381656559
It's fucking great m8. It rivals Kaneko best designs

>>381656691
only hipsters/nostalgiafag likes it

>>381656691
It's great. Only IVbabies dislike it because no muh QoL.

>>381656467
>Actually, I wonder if they made every single Confidant require that because they wanted to prevent people from just ignoring Mementos completely
I'm guessing so (at least purely from a gameplay standpoint), especially since there's always going to be that one idiot who rushes through the game and ignores any and all 'optional' content otherwise.
>Also, with Tartarus the only way to grind was in Tartarus. So, if you didn't, you most likely weren't able to beat Full Moon Shadows.
Other than the piss easy Chidori fight, there are no major bosses between Hanged Man and Nyx. That being said, I remember that if you decide to fight Nyx, Ryoji explicitly tells you to go to the top of Tartarus, so the player would have to be a massive retard to NOT go as high as possible before Jan 31.

>>381656559
It's a fantastic design that is a good reference to the 7 deadly plagues and other biblical references.

>>381656691
It's fun, but I had far more fun with SMTIV:A, more so the final boss which was just a treat. Nocturne has far better atmosphere however.

I've never played an SMT game before. Do I start with this, IV, Strange Journey, or what?

>people hate the dog
I bet you pansies disliked Imoen too.

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>>381656691
Nocturne is easily the best in the entire franchise.

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>>381657118
>the best in the entire franchise.
Whoa there. Jack Bros exists, you know.

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>>381656691
It's good, but I prefer the other mainline games.

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>>381656559
YHVH's second form was decent, if not great

Shesha however. What a fucking disappointment especially compared to his concept art

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>>381656954

Can you plat it on citra yet?

>>381658627
Still running like shit.
Don't tell me you haven't hacked your 3DS yet?

>>381651794
It is, you're clearly retarded or a crontrairan, now death with you

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>>381660354
Nu-Persona is shit compared to the old games, especially in the story department.