>maps redesigned by the map designer for Zero Mission and

>>381621010
>the director of Fusion

I'll pass

>>381621138
Kys

>>381621138

It's a remake of Metroid 2, so he likely doesn't have a whole lot of freedom in making this linear

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It's gonna be great, I can't wait to pirate it two weeks early.

I wanna play these games where do I start

>>381621010
>>maps redesigned by the map designer for Zero Mission and the director of Fusion
>>music by the guys who have basically done all the metroid music since Super
>>New post game content
>>MercurySteam are literally just code monkeys

lol sounds awful

>>381621287
Super Metroid
Castevania: Symphony of the Night

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People think this is gonna be "bad"?

oh wait. this is neo-/v/

eat shit faggots

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>>381621287
get to it nigger

>>381621229
Metroid 2 was fairly linear. It was a lot like Fusion without the HUB. Metroid 2 being linear makes sense given the GB's limitations. That tiny screen and grayscale. The different areas would hardly be distinguishable. The game does a good job of expanding the map through gradual progression.

>>381621010
I can't wait for it, it will be the shit. I wonder if Metroid Dread is being made for the 3DS or Switch?

Has anyone tried a low energy tank run of Metroid Prime? If so, how was it?

>>381621297
You don't want Mercury Steam doing anything besides coding. Maybe even that is too much.

Niggas are just upset they lost E3 to a 3DS game and a fucking logo

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>>381621010
I already pre-ordered it, I'm that hyped.

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>>381621397
cynical is the new cool

>240p
>30 fps
>cutscenes
>that parry
>dog shit Samus design and the return of the hideous blue onesie
>mental gymnastics to justify AM2R takedown
Fuck off Nintendo.

>>381621010

MS had the idea of the melee attack and the new abilities
Try again

>>381621679
>six fingers
>6
>FINGERS

>>381621010
It's made by Nintendo. Right there you already know it's going to be bad

>>381622009
No MS only added melee attacks. The new abilities were entirely Nintendo's team

>>381622073
Looks more like her pinkie's curled

>>381621430
Good list, but where's Federation Force?

>>381622217
Fuck me I forgot to add it

>>381622217
>>381622283
where would you put it on the list? Optional?

>>381621430
>Metroid Samus Returns remake
>Recommended
lmao

>>381622073
2 left feet

I'm trying to like AM2R but the metroid fights are annoying

>Auto aim
>Deflect away all physical harm
>3D QTEs

No.

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I played through all of Federation Force solo and thought it was solid enough. The gyro controls felt good, and even through it was clearly designed for 4 players the missions are quick enough even with 1 person and the A.I bot helpers.

I pirated it, and recommend you do too, if you have a hacked 3DS. Otherwise I wouldn't pay more than $20 for it. Not sure what it's going for now.

>>381622746
Just play it on hard mode, you pussy

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>>381621430
>prime trilogy in must play
>original prime games not on the list

Aside from the fact that only the first Prime is a must play, there's plenty of people who are turned off by motion controls. This is something we must live with. With the direction Samus Returns is going, we're looking an an outcome where both games can co-exist as they're two completely different experiences of the same story.

>put Metroid Prime in must play
>put Prime 2, Prime 3, Prime Trilogy, and AM2R in reccomended
>remove Samus Returns from the list until it is released to avoid overhyping the game

There, I fixed it for you.

>>381621287
You can do it like me. I've always wanted to play the Metroid series so I started to play them this summer. I've already finished the first 2 entries (Metroid NES and Metroid 2 for the Gameboy) When I started to play the second I found a color mod which was good to use so the game doesn't stay in that gray color. I'm gonna start Super Metroid today. I'm planning to play Fusion after this one, then I will play the Prime series. Idk if I'll play Zero Mission or Hunters because Zero Mission is a remake of the first one with extra stuff, I could have played if I knew it was a remake of the first one. The first one was really fucking hard, the second one made me almost broke my controller. I had to fucking kill a metroid with only 25 energy and 8 missiles. It was a real pain in the ass. I recommend you to play the original Metroid series first and then the Prime ones.

>>381622774
Looks like it's going for about $20 anyways.

I thought the controls were actually pretty good but the game itself was kind of a snoozefest especially solo. Would totally play a 3DS port of Prime 1 with those gyro controls though.

>>381622828
Ok where do I put Fed Force?

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>>381622828
I'm okay with this.

>>381622926
Zero Mission is a remake in the same way The Thing is a remake. Play it dude.

>>381623113
I might when I finish playing all of the other ones. I'm gonna buy Metroid Samus Returns for the 3DS too. Love the series.

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>>381622375

Optional seems fine. It wasn't insultingly bad, it just had ugly graphic and came out at the worst time possible. With Metroid back alive, it's a really harmless spinoff.

>>381621430
Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission
Metroid II Return of Samus/Metroid Samus Returns
Super Metroid
Metroid Fusion

>>381621297
Well you must eat literal shit

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>maps redesigned by the map designer for Zero Mission and the director of Fusion

But those games handled item collection terribly.

>Super
>Can collect everything as you go throughout the game without going too far out of your way; all the items I'm usually missing after Ridley can be picked up by going through Brinstar on the way to Tourian.

>ZM and Fusion
>Have to drop everything right before the final bosses and take a lap around the entire game world for a ton of items only available at that point in the game.

>>381622828
>AM2R in recommended
opinion fucking discarded

recommending people to play a fan game is fucking retarded

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>>381621245
same, but will you put your metroid where your mouth is?

>>381623454
This

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>>381622073
Chozo DNA, motherfucker

>>381623454
AM2R is the best 2D Metroid, its source is irrelevant

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Space Pirates game when

>>381621287
Start with Metroid Prime Federation Force and go backwards from there.

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>>381623534
>>381623454
Shouldn't you be censoring some virtual tits, Treehouse?

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>>381623602

Maybe I won't sell my 3ds yet

>>381623621
Don't give Nintendo anymore ideas. They fucked up a GF spinoff, what makes you think they wouldn't fuck up with a Space Pirates one either?

>>381622774
how? I couldn't even beat that one ice level where you have to defend the computer

>>381623602
You're an idiot. If you put AM2R there you might as well put anything there including every other romhack and fangame.

Prime 1 and 2 are equally great

>>381623751

Because space pirates are all about fucking up horribly so a complete trainwreck of a game would suit them just fine.

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>>381622721
I feel exactly the same way, I tried playing am2r after playing zero mission, super and fusion and it just feels extremely bland and uninteresting with a weird mash up of awkward controls, like it isn't sure which game it wants to copy more.

It isn't anything new or exciting, it is literally just metroid 2 with a fresh coat of paint, with barely anything changed. Which is not good, as metroid 2 is not a very good game by today's standards.

Samus Returns looks like the next zero mission, an old game updated and rehashed for a modern audience. Nothing groundbreaking, but a safe and fun remake to help reintroduce the metroid series after a long hiatus in a way that federation force tried and failed to do

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>>381623847
That's actually a great idea. Metroid: super Zero Mission and Hyper Metroid and even Metroid: Rogue Dawn are must-plays for any fan of the series.

>>381623602
It's not an official Metroid game so who gives a fuck.

>>381622746
>auto aim
That's manual aiming, the girl playing it was just really precise and quick with it, as if she had actually practiced unlike most people who demo things live

>>381621430

The additional text under Prime Pinball sucks. It's funnier the way it was.

>>381622828
>there's plenty of people who are turned off by motion controls
And I have absolutely zero sympathy for them. If you can't operate Metroid Prime 3 you either have epilepsy or you're a fucking retard.

>>381622375

Optional and stress it's only worth playing with other people.

>>381623847
>>381623947
There should just be a seperate "So you want to play METROID fangames/romhacks chart" with the notable ones.

>>381621010
Did anyone other than Dobson like Other M? Serious question, because I hated it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW-XeKDRxPM

>>381624371

Dobson is from a parallel universe. He has the wrong opinion on everything.

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>>381623943
>it just feels extremely bland and uninteresting with a weird mash up of awkward controls, like it isn't sure which game it wants to copy more.
>enjoys Fusion

>>381621515
In a word.....upsetting

Do the prime games run one toasters? I wanna emulate them. Should I play the GC versions or the Wii ones?

>>381624486
So which webcomic artist is bizarro Dobson, then? Because I like the cut of his jib.

>>381624492
Fusion is damn good game my man, people on /v/ hate it but it is critically acclaimed as one of the best in the series literally everywhere else

>>381622794
Is hard mode confirmed?

>>381623602
The only way you could possibly think this is if you hate what constitutes a good Metroid game. It tries to give Metroid II the Zero Mission treatment but doesn't bother to change the linear map layout of the original so it ends up being a chore to traverse. A problem with Zero Mission was the clean-up required to 100% the game since certain upgrades were essentially locked on after post-game. But at least in that game, you could do the clean-up fairly smoothly since the map was designed around it. AM2R's maps are not optimised around this, they're just randomly placed without a whole lot of thought.

That's not touching on the subtle story elements from the original that they ruined. If you're going to remake a game, at least try to keep the things that made the original good.

>>381624371
it has it's small, autistic fanbase.

for 100% of them, it was their first Metroid

>>381624645
GC vs Wii comes down entirely to which control method you prefer. They're identical otherwise.

>>381624289
Not a bad idea, actually. AM2R is the only one I've played but I heard Rogue Dawn is good.

If there's not enough material for a chart, you could widen it to "So you want more Metroid" and include other Metroid-related things like the game in Nintendoland.

>>381621223
underage found

>>381624371
Moviebob. In fact his opinions are so in line with Dobson I'm still not entirely convinced they aren't the same person.

>>381621987
But it's F R E E

>>381624674

Sounds like you didn't play through new game +, or play the fan patches that vastly improve speedrunning and sequence breaks.

>>381624732
There's enough material for a chart based on Super Metroid hacks alone.

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>>381624371
That's a funny, wholesome, well-made video.

Thanks for posting, boss.

>>381624518
Hard? Or too easy?

>>381624662

Look up evil Tom Preston.

>>381624674
>but doesn't bother to change the linear map layout of the original
Aaand confirmed for not playing AM2R and talking out his ass. That was fast!

>>381624181
should've said that it's a good pinball game and has some unique mechanics compared to other pinball.

>>381624817

I wonder if Blob would hate if it Prime didn't exist?

>>381624727
No they are not. Wii version is missing certain glitches that enabled more sequence breaking. Wii version also doesn't have the arm cannon effects when you charge your beam. Wii version is also widescreen, and higher res. Wii version also uses the lore entries from the PAL version so some entries will read different from what you remember on GCN unless you lived in Europe (and a few entries are different from either version IIRC)

Apart from that, yes, pretty identical.

>>381624371
It wasn't as bad as people say it was, but....eh

It is basically like skyward sword, it had a fuckload of potential that was ruined by hefty amounts of annoying trivial bullshit that could have easily been removed.

It tried to inject plot into metroid but went overboard with it. Fusion had the right idea, it added bits and pieces after each area that you could ponder while you explored. Other M added an optional 'movie mode' that let you watch the game as a movie, by stringing together all the cutscenes and prerecorded gameplay scenes in a 90 minute film, I shit you not

>>381625094
>Other M added an optional 'movie mode' that let you watch the game as a movie, by stringing together all the cutscenes and prerecorded gameplay scenes in a 90 minute film, I shit you not

That in itself isn't a bad idea, it just comes off as insulting due to the awfulness of the plot.

>>381624840
New game+ turns the game into a generic action-platformer. And if people want to put this on the same level as official Metroid games then fan patches/mods are irrelevant.

>>381624969
It's pretty similar to the original in most places. They added a few new areas and that shitty warp pipe system but that was it. If they wanted to give it the true Zero Mission treatment then they should have redesigned it completely.

>played the original on VC last year
>just beat super metroid moments ago
>have fusion on VC (thank you ambassador program)
>have prime trilogy
>samus returns in september
>prime 4 on the horizon

What a time to be alive.

>>381625130
I'd make a joke about her husband being a horse's ass, but I feel like it'd be in poor taste.

>>381625346
where's your am2r and zm bitch

>>381625237
>That in itself isn't a bad idea
The hell are you talking about? It basically encourages you to not play the game ever again. Granted, you wouldn't want to replay Other M, but imagine if the gameplay wasn't steaming turds on an ass sandwich. At most they should have a cutscene viewer which entices you to want to replay the game to that point, not a mode that engages in replaying itself. Metroid in particular is built around replayability, so it's insulting.

>>381625325

>New game+ turns the game into an action-platformer.
And what the hell is wrong with that? you're okay with LE EBIN CINEMATIC TAKE-DOWNS, but a little open-endedness ruins the series?

>>381621430
Zero Mission is fun, but I feel like it's a bit too hand-holdy to really be a must-play. It also has sprint turned on by default which on the surface is a small thing, but another thing that has to be learned if you play ZM before Super Metroid. Still a very fun game, and absolutely recommended.

>>381625372
I played the original so ZM is kinda redundant, and AM2R looks nice and all but I'd rather play the official games first before playing a fan game.

>>381625346
>fusion forever locked behind ambassador program on 3ds
>still no gba vc on 3ds

What the fuck Nintendo?

>>381625237
Exactly, it's like they took all the WORST parts of the game and said, 'yes, this is what the fans want, an easier way to avoid everything actually enjoyable about the game'

>>381625551
ZM is not in any way redundant

>>381625551
>all fan produced content is bad because it doesn't have the official (tm) logo of approval from Nintendo

You know, you could at least hide the fact that you're a marketer.

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>>381625565

Ambassador games have emulation issues so Nintendo doesn't feel right about charging for them.

>>381625615
Its a remake of the original right, or am I mistaken?

>>381625670
Please read my comment again, I said it looks nice but I'd rather play the main games first.

>>381624916
Hard, but in a frustrating way rather than a challenging way. There are certain enemy attacks that are consistently bullshit to avoid and they will ruin your fun

Do you guys think we'll ever get Metroid Prime pinball 2?

>>381625670
When did he say it was bad.
You really need to stop sucking AM2rs dick.

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>>381625670
>strawmanning this hard
Work on your baits sweety

>>381625764
ZM is a complete reimagining of Metroid 1, it'd be like comparing SR to Metroid 2

The basic skeleton is the same but everything is vastly different

AM2R is also definitely worth playing

>>381625764

It's a remake that touches up the gameplay a ton and adds a plot sequence to tie it into Prime a little.

>>381625764
It is a remake, but Zero Mission is so different from the original it's like playing an entirely
new game

>>381625676
What issues are we talking here? Would it not be something that could be fixed with the new 3ds' processing?

>>381625670
Did you stop reading at "official games"?

Wanting to play the official game before playing a fan remake is perfectly fine

inb4 nintenbro

I liked Fusion but for some reason I couldn't like Zero Mission.

>>381625459
>And what the hell is wrong with that? you're okay with LE EBIN CINEMATIC TAKE-DOWNS, but a little open-endedness ruins the series?
Metroid is known for its progression system, if you remove that then it's hardly a Metroid game. The inclusion of new game+ doesn't ruin the game since it's entirely optional but it's hardly a huge draw. And it's not like AM2R makes a solid action-platformer in new game+ since most of the bosses are either repetitive, LE EBIN BULLET HELL MEME BOSSES, or just pure shit (most notably Serris and Genesis).

>>381625851
>>381625852
>>381625897
Fair enough, maybe I will give it a shot later on then. Still want to play the rest of them first.

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>>381621010
So it's pretty clear that this has been indev for a while now, considering how aggressive Nintendo was about taking down AM2R. I have to wonder, would a free game really have hurt sales that much? What about romhacks and shit? Or all those flash games on Newgrounds? Why'd they have to pull a Streets of Rage Remake on this?

And, semi-relevantly, wasn't there a fanmade Pokemon game that got a similar treatment around the same time AM2R got flagged?

>>381625676
Doesn't the 3ds have GBA hardware?
thats why you can inject roms so easily

>>381625565
If it makes you feel any better the official Ambassador games had some fucking nasty ghosting problems. Thankfully if you have a hacked 3DS there's an easy VC injection program that removes ghosting and makes them look a million times better.

>>381625807
I see, might reconsider then. I imagine Phazon Mines is where the BS is at it's worst.

>>381623943
>>381624492
>mentions fusion once without opinion
>'everything he says is wrong'

This is why we can't have productive conversations on this board

>>381625764
Metroid 1 vs. Zero Mission is like RE1 vs. REmake. It changes up a lot of things, anon, and that's an understatement.

>>381625906

They make the system go into DS emulation mode so no save states/bonus features and the odd graphical fuck up.

>>381625764
>>381625815
>>381625831
I'm just saying: there's no reason to wait for the official game when the fan remake is right there in the open, and will do nothing to ruin your experience. If you're afraid about being spoiled by the "story" then I'm afraid you're playing video games for the wrong reason.

>>381625941
>if you remove that then it's hardly a Metroid game.
Good thing AM2R doesn't do that. All it does is take away the wall of lava that impedes your progress for no reason. You still have to find certain powerups to keep going, it's not just a straight path, but it makes it so you don't have to scour every area 100%.

>since most of the bosses are either repetitive shit
Whoa there. If you didn't like The Tester, the Torizo, or even the Ancient Guardian, then you and me are gonna have some words.

>LE EBIN BULLET HELL MEME
Whatsa matter, not cinematic enough for you?

>>381621397
Because the last two games have been bad.

>>381621010
I think Japanese companies are getting a bit spooked about the drying up of sales for traditional games and are starting to push their respective "Gaijin" buttons. Nintendo is doing it with Metroid. Capcom with that new RE game and making Monster Hunter on home console. I frankly like it, and those uppity nips can either adapt to the reality that we get to factor into their games now or go play puyo puyo on their phones like babies.

>>381625995

Pokemon Uranium was the name. Don't pay much attention to romhacks, no interest since I can't move my legendaries forward. Have been watching a LP of /vp/'s game Pokemon Clover while I browse /v/.

>>381621430
If you're going to put AM2R in there, you have to include all the Metroid and Super Metroid hacks in there too.

>>381626204
>there's no reason to wait for the official game when the fan remake is right there in the open, and will do nothing to ruin your experience.

Maybe its just me, but I feel like I wouldn't be able to fully appreciate a fan remake of a game I haven't even played yet.

>>381626298
Pokemon Sage is the "serious" 4chan romhack that's been in the works for like eighty thousand years. You should look it up and get depressed about how the game has so many awesome ideas but will never get done because RPGmaker is a retarded platform.

>>381626410
Then it's a perfect opportunity to try it out, as it remains faithful to the game.

>>381626042
YOU WOULD BE RIGHT. Also that one giant space pirate boss with the tedious weak spot mechanic and aoe attacks

>>381626410
Then go play the original game right now.
Or are you saying you'd be able to fully appreciate an official remake of a game you haven't even played yet?
Talk about double standards.

>>381622073
X is a hell of a drug

>>381626452

Imagine if gen 4/5 romhacking gets off the ground and they move shit over.

>>381626695
Damn Quentin, you're losing your touch.

>>381625995
Nintendo need to be consistent with their policy on unofficial IP usage. If they just allowed everyone to run around freely with their IP then it would lead to a ton of unofficial knock-offs that could potentially harm their brand. And it's a waste of resources for any company to look at every fan creation on a case-by-case basis and selectively kill off the harmful ones.

People seem to think that Nintendo are being intentionally malicious with games like AM2R or Project M but they're just treating every fan game equally. Note how AM2R was in development for a number of years but they only issued a DMCA after the game had been finished. They could have killed the project off much earlier if they wanted to but they didn't. It's also worth noting that if you were to disagree with the DMCA and take Nintendo to court, you'd have a solid case. It's just that most fans don't have the resources to compete with large companies in a legal battle. The reason Nintendo never DMCA'd PETA's Pokemon games is because they actually have the resources to fight back. But like I said earlier, if Nintendo didn't issue any DMCAs at all then it could potentially harm their brand far more than any negative press they get around a fan game being cancelled.

Go away dobson, your image sucks dick

>>381626653
It exists, but the DS games are just a chore more to hack than the much simpler GBA games. There's actual, occasional models and cutscenes now and then that just make it more on the difficult side

Some people managed to even hack the Physical/Special Split and Fairy type into Gen III. That's how much easier it is to do Gen III hacks

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>>381622105
This. They literally haven't made a game that wasn't complete shit in the last 11 tears.

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>>381626874

>>381626959
How many tears do you produce per second?

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>Last "mainline" Metroid game came out 7 years ago
>Almost a decade at this point
>Discussion of Metroid games slowly petered out over the years so only the most passionate fans bothered to make threads
>Now we have 2 new games on the horizon
>Which means they'll be a hot topic on modern /v/
>Which means we'll have to deal with contrarians and the weird mad lib style threads with OP saying shit like "this is Samus Aran, say something nice to her"
>Already seeing people being contrarians about Super Metroid
It's already starting, I hope you're all ready.

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>>381626452
>>381626298
Don't forget Vidyamon, the hack /vr/ is working on.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=lBHnoBOEEqU

>>381626918

I'm aware, progression flags being a bitch to program was the big issue last I heard. That's also the reason for why every gen 2/Hg/Ss romhack to have you start off in Kanto then go to Johto fucks up.

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>People trying to start in-fighting among Metroid fans
There is literally no point in arguing between traditional side-scroller and Prime-style FPS. Can't we just accept that they're all good on their own merits, even if you personally prefer one style over the other?

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>>381624673
The save files say Normal so I assume there's a hard difficulty too.

>>381621287
The order I'm doing them in:
1. Metroid Zero Mission (remake of first Mteroid)
2. Metroid Samus Returns (or Another Metroid 2 Remake if you want better experience over the original experience).
3. Super Metroid
4. Metroid Fusion
5. Metroid Prime series

>>381627241
I just want it to be available from the start. Having to beat a game to unlock difficulty modes is straight retarded.

>>381621430
>.png
>transparency
Put an actually colored background and make it a .jpg

>>381626959
>spending time to reading the thread just a find an opportunity to falseflag
cringe

>>381627249

Alternating between 2d and 3d may help prevent burn out.

>>381627198
First off, it's just one faggot who hates the prime series. Secondly, no because Other M exists.

>>381622073
Also 2 left feet that are really tiny. Someone needs to fix that picture.

>>381621430
Why the fuck is the aspect ratio of this so huge?

>>381627034
>Last "mainline" Metroid game came out 7 years ago
You mean 13 years ago?

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>>381626959
FIXED

>>381626204
The original AM2R bosses are pretty bland though.

I mean, that robotic Chozo statue that just suddenly starts flying around with a jetpack was eye roll worthy

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How do I become a coding genius?

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On the one hand, if Metroid Samus Returns is good, I'll forgive Nintendo for an essentially 10 year long hiatus on good Metroid games. On the other hand, I'm still considering AM2R to be the apex of the 2D metroids, right behind Super itself.

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>>381627034
What would be the logical progression to this image?
no not that halfassed edit i mean something real

>>381627595
was looking for this thanks lad

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>>381627596
>>381626959
>shitposter so retarded that he doesn't even know the dates of what he's shitposting about
pathetic desu

>>381624371
Movieblob.

>>381627596
cringe

>>381627740
No prob.
Can I ask why?

>>381627603
Go to college and major in computer science :^)

>>381627598
>I mean, that robotic Chozo statue that just suddenly starts flying around with a jetpack was eye roll worthy
Are you kidding? He's one of the best bosses in the game, and combined with him forcing you to get good with the space jump made for a really interesting boss.

>>381627613
AM2R was a fantastic adaptation. I wish that it'd set a bar for future titles, but Nintendo will continue to do as they please.

Cautiously optimistic about the 3DS release. Still not sure how I feel about adding a melee element to Metroid when historically it's always been about being armed to the teeth.

>>381626542
AM2R expects you to have played the original. If the developers intended for this to be a player's first experience with the game then they failed because there are certain parts that make no sense unless you have played the original. At least with an official Nintendo game, you can almost be certain that they assume the player has never played a previous game in the series (for better or for worse).

>>381623830
I guess you just suck at games then

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>>381628076
>AM2R expects you to have played the original.

>>381627832
>god fucking speed

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>>381627560
That's why I put it in quotations. I know it's officially considered a mainline entry but these days it seems like even Nintendo doesn't want to draw attention to it.
>>381627667
Take all the various copy paste threads you see and replace the words with Metroid related things.
>Now that the dust has settled, is it better than AM2R
>Fuck you, I liked it
>OTHER MFAGS BTFO
>Todd Howard wearing a Varia Suit
>Etc.
Maybe one out of every 12 threads will be a decent discussion but good luck sorting through the bullshit.

>>381628076
You're joking, right?

>>381627596
thanks gman

>>381628220
>>Todd Howard wearing a Varia Suit
Why not just Todd Howard in a GF suit saying FOLLOW MY FUCKING ORDERS

>>381628076
I don't think they'd expect people to have played the original. It feels closer to the rhythm of fusion/zero mission without the waypoints.

That was fine too though, since you'd be able to kill all the metroids you need to before the lava reveals more areas to explore. If you have 2 brain cells to rub together you can figure it out.

>>381628346
I agree. Todd would be better suited being shopped onto Adam's body

>>381623943
>It isn't anything new or exciting, it is literally just metroid 2 with a fresh coat of paint, with barely anything changed

what

>new bosses
>new abilities from later games
>later metroid battles very different from original M2 versions
>new additions to existing areas
>entirely new bonus areas as well

how is this "barely anything changed"? aside from the zero suit stealth portions, this is almost exactly the same as how the original metroid was remade into zero mission, and that's widely regarded as one of the best metroid titles of all time

don't undersell AM2R just because it's fanmade - it has it's flaws and weaknesses, but it's way more than just a fresh coat of paint on M2

>>381628076
>AM2R expects you to have played the original.

There were shitloads of people in the AM2R threads that never played Metroid 2 when the game came out.

Fuck, there were shitloads of people in the AM2R threads that never played Metroid PERIOD.

>>381628029
It just felt out of place. Very few bosses in the metroid series are mechanical (mecha Ridley comes to mind), most are organic aliens. The lazy flying animation didn't help.

>>381628414
You forgot one
>damn near the entire map is being changed
It doesn't look even remotely similar to the original map, whereas AM2R tries to stay close to it.

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>>381621010
>MercurySteam are literally just code monkeys

Yet they """"suggested"""" the melee mechanic and cinematic kills.

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>>381628346
>Samus, I've authrorised your use of Skyrim Special Edition now on Nintendo Switch (with optional DLC)

>>381628487
I made this post before realizing your were talking about AM2R and not SR.

>>381623703
But I thought you hated virtual tits

>>381628490
I didn't see any cinematic kills

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>>381628404
>>381628346
>>381628220

"Samus, you've been authorized to pre-order the new Fallout 4 season pass, and buy the new Skyrim with added VR support. Any objections, lady?"

>>381621287
Play super metroid and prime. Then play whatever you want.

>>381628554
delete your shame

>>381625995
>considering how aggressive Nintendo was about taking down AM2R
They could have taken it down years sooner but waited until it was finished and already uploaded.

>>381627140
>Nathan Drake
>Kratos
>Dovahkiin
>Angry Birds
>X evolves to Volnutt
Disgusting. I thought nostalgiafags were all about standards?

>>381628475

And you know what? That's a good change. Samus needs more robotic opponents. Are you saying Quadraxis is bad?

>>381628675
Nah, I'll leave it up. People could use a good laugh from time to time.

>>381628076
I've played, but never beaten M2, and didn't get particularly far in it, but I was able to 100% AM2R with barely any help from guides.

Is this a good game to watch my GF play and take turns playing with her?

>>381628576
I hate them, but I don't want censorship. That's the opposite extreme.

>>381628723
It's supposed to encompass all vidya, not just retro.

>>381628163
Like I said, there are certain parts of the game that make no sense unless you have played the original. The biggest one is when you pass the Metroid egg and the screen dramatically pauses. At this point, the Metroid counter in the original game would increase from 1 to 9, which subtly tells the player that new Metroids are being created (hinting that the final Metroid can give birth to new Metroids). In AM2R, these unhatched Metroids are already included in the global counter so this dramatic pause makes absolutely no sense since it's just like every other time you enter a new area.

There's also the ruined Chozo statue below the Queen's nest that use to contain the Ice Beam. In the original, the Ice Beam could be retrieved in a room behind the statue but it basically tells the player that something has viciously attack this statue because they deemed it to be dangerous. In AM2R, they moved the position of the Ice Beam to earlier on in the game and since beams stack, you don't need to reacquire it. But they still left the broken Chozo statue their for no reason.

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>>381628684
>they waited until it was done so it could cannibalize their sales of Metroid 2: Samus Returns

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>>381628652
*space pirates your game*

>>381623239
>Not maining Tubetron

>>381628076
>expects you to have played the original
You weren't around when AM2R released, were you?
There were countless threads on release, and many people admitted that they never played the original, and arguably many more people said they never even played a Metroid game before.
And most of those people completed the game.
The only thing that was a problem for most people was finding the way to the Ice Beam, which was located in an entirely new zone where prior knowledge of the original game would not even help you, so it stumped new and old players alike.

Basically, you're full of shit.

>>381628931
My point is that they could have shut it down at any time, but they let the dude finish it before saying "okay now stop that, you can't make money off of our IPs"

The game is finished and literally everyone can play it, the only difference is the dude can't host it himself

>>381627595
Someone should complete this by including the color variants in M2.

>>381628850
>At this point, the Metroid counter in the original game would increase from 1 to 9, which subtly tells the player that new Metroids are being created (hinting that the final Metroid can give birth to new Metroids). In AM2R, these unhatched Metroids are already included in the global counter so this dramatic pause makes absolutely no sense since it's just like every other time you enter a new area.
How is that bad? The game hints at there being a queen far earlier than that, by having a horrific sounding background screech that sounds unlike any Metroid, and it gets louder and more frequent as you progress into the hive. in Metroid 2 this only happens right before you enter the queen's lair. I'd say it was a worthwhile trade-off.

>In AM2R, they moved the position of the Ice Beam to earlier on in the game and since beams stack, you don't need to reacquire it. But they still left the broken Chozo statue their for no reason.
This was so the ice beam could get more use instead of being just another item you pick up at random. Also, the statue remains there so you know that something huge destroyed it.

>>381629093
He wasn't charging for it, he wasn't even taking donations.
How was he making money?

>>381629190
Didn't he have a patreon?

Anyone got a link to a Zero Mission Rom? All the usual places got DMCAs

>>381627935
I barely started playing these games and wanted to know if the gravity suit was in 2

>>381623454
>recommending people to play a fan game is fucking retarded

The only thing worse than a fangame is a fangame you have to pay money to play, which is what Samus Returns is. None of the original dev team are involved.

>>381629164
Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Moe?

>>381621010
>Fusion

>>381629227
loveroms

>>381628634
They were in the metroid fights if you get a successful counter

>>381629093
There's no point to that though. Since nintendo believes that it would cut into their profits, they have no reason to "let it finish" if they supposedly had their own remake in the works for a long time. People say that they had it as early as 2014, so why let a rival project continue so as to risk it getting more attention than your game?

Shucks, it even backfired on them by completely destroying Federation Force's sales (in addition to the game being hot vomit in itself). If they had DMCA'd it much earlier, it would've resulted in less bad press.

>>381628684
>>381629093
There was barely any fuzz about it. He kept a low profile until he finished the game

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I intend to buy 2 of the Metroid Amiibo's and pretend they're boobs.

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>>381626332
>You have to include Romhacks alongside videogames that are all made with original source code.
Why?

>>381629404
Because they're fangames, too.
Are you retarded?

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>>381621010
>Hey look, we got all these cool old developers from these games you love to death, and they're all making a game together! Surely it will be good!

Hmm, where have I heard this before...

>>381628850
You have no knowledge of the original game, do you?
In Metroid II, the Ice Beam was the first beam you got. Yeah, in Area 1.
There were multiple pickups of each Beam, as well. There were at least two locations where you could grab each Beam. The Ice Beam was given a third location just outside the final area so that the player wouldn't have to backtrack so far to get it again.
Meanwhile, in AM2R, the Ice Beam is the last beam you get.

>>381629273
Metroid 2 had two color variants. One from the Super Gameboy and the other was a much nicer palette hard coded into the firmware of the Gameboy Color.

I want to be excited for the remake, but Sakamoto is on the job, and he's not one for assuring me.

>"i want to expand Samus's relationship with the baby, because her role as a mother is so important that it means more than her relationship with the chozo, and I plan to dedicate the entire endgame to comparing her motherhood with the metroid queen in an epic cinematic that showcases her childhood and trauma"

Time to hit the panic button.

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>>381629449
And? What's your point? Why should a pile of shit be put on the same pedestal as a god-tier game? Just because they're both unofficial and if one unofficial game gets on a recommendation list, the other has to too?

Why do you even care about it being "official" or not, what matters is whether or not its a good game and if it meets (or even surpasses) the standards of the series it's based off of, why do you, as a consumer, get wrapped up in the business of shareholders, lawyers, and publishers?

>>381628475
What about the first torizo in Super to get the bombs and the super torizo to get Space Jump? Ridley is partially mechanical in all of his prime appearances and many bosses in Prime are phazon enhanced and partially mechanical.

>>381621430
The old version of this was better.

>>381629792
the old version wasn't updated

>no Switch release
Why can't they just let the 3DS die?

>>381629661
>"i want to expand Samus's relationship with the baby,
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>381628475
You can dislike AM2R if you want. It is flawed. However, if you don't think The Tester is the most hype boss in the series, then I'm afraid you have a case of the "wrong opinions."

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Who CE here?

>>381629701
There are plenty of high-quality romhacks of both metroid and super metroid. why do they not even get a chance at a recommendation list simply because they're hacks? that makes literally no sense.

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Reminder that Europe wins again

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>>381629885
>EU barely gives a shit about Nintendo games
>always gets the coolest Collectors Editions of the games
>NA either gets literally nothing or figuratively nothing
why.png

>>381629661
>>381629864
What's wrong with this? Having some post game expand on the baby Metroid would be cool

>>381629657
That's neat, but there's not really a lot of room to add two extra variants of sprites which are simply recolors.

>>381629885

>That fucking visor

So Samus literally murdered Dark Samus to rip off her superior style?

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>>381629885
>>381629946

These totally look radical, my fellow gamers. I bet nintendo even has them at a sensible price. Man, they're always thinking of the little guy. They're pretty "epic" as the cool kids say.

>>381629876
I liked the game, it was very well made but I wasn't fan of this boss either. It had a very "fan-made" feel.
Like, just spam as many projectiles as possible to annoy the player.

>>381629661
source

>>381630104
Any CE with an art book is a good CE
quit being a fag

>>381630124
It had good patterns and required skill, which is more than you can say about most metroid bosses

>>381629165
>How is that bad?
If you ask people who actually enjoyed the original game, they'll probably say that's one of the best parts of the game. Plus it wouldn't make sense that you can hear the Queen cry at any point in the world or that the Queen would be able to tell when Samus has killed any of her children aside from the ones near her that she can actually hear.

>This was so the ice beam could get more use instead of being just another item you pick up at random. Also, the statue remains there so you know that something huge destroyed it.
It was still the last upgrade in the game and it was only used to destroy the bubble walls. And since it's got the Other M affect of freezing and shattering enemies, it's not like it was vital for platforming segments. It would have hardly affected the game if they had left the Ice Beam in the same position. But by moving it, they've lost that subtle storytelling aspect. There are other ruined statues in the game, there's no particular reason why this statue was destroy in the remake.

They're minor complaints but the point of a remake is to improve on the original, not to remove things. It's as if the developers didn't even like Metroid II, which just begs the question why even remake it in the first place? There's clearly a lot of effort that's gone into the game and the weaker aspects are usually the parts that have been lifted straight from the original without any thought or improvement. If this was an original game then it would have probably been a lot better, but for whatever reason they decided not to (either wanting it to be more popular by latching it onto the name of an official game or simply because they were too lazy to come up with their own plot)

>>381629885
I want the keychain but that's it.

>>381630151
>skill
Bitch please that thing was dead with like 3-4 power bombs

>>381630219
I played on hard mode and didn't use power bombs and died once or twice, I recognize that it's not some huge trial, but it is relatively challenging

>>381621430
Ok so I'm gonna fix this since he isn't

the consensus is:

>remove AM2R since its a fan game
>add fed force and say its only worth playing with other people
>move trilogy to recommended

anything else? the last one seems kinda dumb since trilogy has literally every prime game and isnt hard to find now

>>381630075
The neat thing about images is you can make them bigger.

Just beat Mother Brain on Zero Mission. What am I in for next. Fun?

>>381629627
They could have easily put a regular Chozo statue with the Ice Beam at the end of the game but they deliberately decided to make a new sprite for a broken one because they wanted to add a story-telling element to the game. It's something that was clearly lost on the developers and you.

>>381629898
Super Metroid has yet to have a Romhack that meets the level of creativity and execution that many Super Mario World romhacks did. This is mostly because very few people actually work on Super Metroid hacking, and most hacks are extremely limited in their changes.

Super Metroid, as it is now, can not be hacked to add:

>New bosses
>New music
>New art assets
>New abilities
>New mechanics

These are all things that Super Mario World romhacking can do, but Super Metroid has yet to do.

In addition to that, a Super Metroid romhack that would be 100% worth playing would have to be a complete revamp and overhaul of the entire game, and not a simple level design hack like Super Metroid Redesigned.

The closest we got is Hyper Metroid, but even then it's not really comparable to AM2R, despite a lot of the creative things it did. It still had the same vibe, theme, music, bosses, and the like that Super Metroid had.

>>381629701
>Why should a pile of shit be put on the same pedestal as a god-tier game?

Exactly, so remove AM2R from the list completely

>>381630193
>If you ask people who actually enjoyed the original game, they'll probably say that's one of the best parts of the game
I've played the original, and I barely even remember that part. It's overrated as a whole. Also, the queen can't hear you anywhere in the world. It only starts happening after you kill the first omega metroid, way late into the game.

>But by moving it, they've lost that subtle storytelling aspect.
Uh, who cares? The story in Metroid matters as much as the story in Mario.

>There are other ruined statues in the game, there's no particular reason why this statue was destroy in the remake.
Care to list some examples?

>They're minor complaints but the point of a remake is to improve on the original, not to remove things.
And it did improve. The things you complain about are minor issues that don't affect the rest of the improvements.

>>381630387
annoying stealth shit

>>381624371
woolie

>>381630387

Tactical Espionage Action.

Alternatively, Stun 'n' Run.

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>>381630358
The "general consensus" (note: only like 2 people) is to remove AM2R but they have yet to give a single valid reason why. AM2R is its own game, on its own engine, with original gameplay, with original music, with god-tier level design, with a ton of faithfulness to the series, god-tier atmosphere, god-tier bosses, and is an overall god-tier game.

I'll say what I said here again: >>381629701

>Why do you even care about it being "official" or not, what matters is whether or not its a good game and if it meets (or even surpasses) the standards of the series it's based off of, why do you, as a consumer, get wrapped up in the business of shareholders, lawyers, and publishers?

>>381630358
We barely know anything about Samus Returns so it's too early to rank it. And move Hunters to avoid. It's utter trash now that the DS's wifi is dead.

>>381629985
I wonder will Metroid Dread appear on the 3DS in 2019?

>>381630358
>The consensus is [things that nobody agrees on]

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does anyone think a melee in a metroid game is going to completely ruin it

>>381630420
Are you kidding? All of those things are doable.
I can point you to one hack that does all of those things: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZS_o9tqWHmJHGmuQRRkfiqhgZIApfLXM
And that's still WIP.
Redesign and Hyper are god-tier. Both of those games have the "complete revamp and overhaul" that you seem to arbitrarily require. Hyper Metroid moreso than Redesign.
AM2R has the same vibe Zero Mission did. Why is it exempt?

>>381630420
>Super Metroid, as it is now, can not be hacked to add:
>New bosses
>New music
>New art assets
>New abilities
>New mechanics

You're literally wrong on every category you listed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-x7j5RyGc

Also, Redesign changed the physics and made the wall jump an item that only worked on certain types of walls. It wasn't just a level design hack. Also you should look up the Phazon Hack or Super Zero Mission sometime.

>>381630779
From what we've seen, it trivializes every enemy encounter, and makes Metroids too easy to fight. Having the ability to stop an enemy from attacking seems retarded, when Samus is about killing monsters who cannot be interrupted in their attacks. I'm sure exceptions exist, but they're just that.

>>381630584
Why does it matter if AM2R isn't listed? Listing only the official games is a perfectly valid argument, a chart for any other series wouldn't include fan games. Go make a chart for fan games if you're that desperate.

>>381621010
already played am2r

don't care. bring on prime 4.

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>>381629661
>She breastfeeds the babby

>>381630779
No, and I'll probably forget to use it more often than not. I do like the idea of Samus showing off her muscle a bit though, especially seeing how she just fucking whipped around the Zeta Metroid like it was nothing. I know it's going to be one of those things people use to detract the game regardless of quality though.

>>381630384
Yeah, but then it would look ugly, as the Metroid II sprites would have one extra set all alone along the bottom.
I actually had the same problem with the Metroid and Zero Mission sections before I made their columns wider. That idea won't work here.
I'm not opposed to adding them, provided I can find the correct colors, but I want it to look nice, y'know? I'm just autistic like that.

>>381630779
No, but I think it should be considerably less powerful than using the blaster and have some significant risk.

>>381631109
You could expand it sideways like with Zero Mission.

>>381630584
>AM2R is its own game, on its own engine, with original gameplay, with original music, with god-tier level design, with a ton of faithfulness to the series, god-tier atmosphere, god-tier bosses, and is an overall god-tier game.

Then lets add all the "god-tier" Castlevania games to the list too because I personally think and claim they are a part of Metroid canon since that's all it takes to make it a real Metroid game.

Fuck it, fuck the metroid list and someone just make a metroidvania list so no one has to argue about it.

Don't have shit taste when you do it though, so put zero mission with other m.

>>381621010
post game content? What is it? Press B to "Baby" or something?

>>381628475
>Very few

Prime had a pile of rocks and a tomen pole that shoots BEES as a boss. I think they threw logic out the window years ago.

>>381630864
>that entire video
Jesus christ how horrifying.

>>381631261
I didn't know Castlevania was a Metroid fangame.

>>381630793
>AM2R has the same vibe Zero Mission did
Did you even play the same game? Yes, I know that a handful of assets (that were only taken for canonical reasons) were taken from ZE, but AM2R is a waaay different game from ZE. The game has a larger field of view, it takes place on a different planet, the graphics are higher quality, the music is less bit-crushed due to not being on a GBA, etc. It was filled with original content.

Regardless of your opinion on Redesign, Hyper and Redesign still feel exactly like Super Metroid, so much so that if you recorded four gameplay segments from super metroid, and then recorded a segment from Redesign, and asked a person who's never played either which game is redesign and which game is the original, they wouldn't know. With Hyper, they would be clued in on with the different suit, but then you could just include all of the different suits in the originals clips.

That being said, the Fusion hack does look great, even if it is just a WIP, and I do hope that this turns into the definitive version of Metroid 4.

>>381630975
Fan games, in general, are extremely low quality, and the ones that stand out as meeting the standards of the games they're based off of deserve to be recommended alongside them. It's why Project M is often discussed alongside Melee and Smash 4. To deny a god-tier fangame the sweet reward it deserves for meeting that standard or surpassing it by being played by all the fans is cruel to the creator and it prevents people from potentially playing the game.

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>>381631273
>a pile of rocks

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>>381631261
Did you really not think you had no valid argument the moment your entire post consisted of strawmans and typical attention whoring tactics?

>>381631396
And AM2R feels exactly like Zero Mission.

>>381630864
If these romhacks are so good then why didn't they get the same level of acclaim and worship that AM2R did?

Perhaps it's because they're romhacks and not original games?

>>381631396
>Project M is a hack
>it's allowed to be discussed alongside Melee and Smash 4
>Hyper Metroid is a hack
>it's not allowed to be discussed at all
Project M is a track btw desu

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>>381631602
If you put up five screenshots from zero mission and a screenshot of AM2R and asked a random person which one is AM2R and which one is zero mission, they could easily pick out AM2R because it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Face it, you have no argument. Stop attention whoring for (you)'s

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>>381631682
>Hyper Metroid is as good as Project M
Please, you're embarassing yourself.

>>381631607
Because they're not as easily accessible.
Romhacks a simply another name for mods.
Are you saying mods like say Team Fortress or Counter Strike shouldn't have the acclaim and worship they have?

>>381631770
You're right. It's better. Project Meme is trash

>>381630528
>I've played the original
I said people who enjoyed the otiginal, not those that have just played it.

>Uh, who cares?
Metroid is a series that is known for having a good balance between story and gameplay. That's one of the biggest reasons why Other M was hated so much and it's a big reason why Fusion got criticism.

>Care to list some examples?
There's the statue that Arachnus destroyed (also for whatever reason they made Arachnus jump out of an empty statue rather than having him act as a decoy item ball, which would ruin the surprise for a new player who thinks it's a regular item). Also you kill a Torizo earlier in the game. At this point, broken Chozo statues aren't a big deal so it doesn't really have any impact.

>And it did improve. The things you complain about are minor issues that don't affect the rest of the improvements.
The point was that the developers wouldn't have made these changes if they were familiar with the source material, which again questions the point of this remake when they probably could have made a much better game if they tried to make it original.

>maps redesigned by the map designer for Zero Mission and the director of Fusion
That's not a good thing. In fact, it's a very, very bad thing.

>>381631607
AM2R was being worked on very publicly for something like eight years.
ROM hacks in general are very niche (outside of Super Mario World due to the scene being comparatively huge).
They also are usually worked on fairly quietly, with at most having a thread on a forum for hacks.

>>381631690
Of course AM2R would stick out. It has a different UI, it's a dead giveaway.

>>381621138
And they learned and zero mission was good

Also we might get fusion levels of hard again. Missile pickups are 3 missiles instead of 5 and the zetas have 100 damage fireballs

>>381621287
Start with the first one and work your way forward.

You aren't a pussy, are you?

>>381631505
>strawmans

do you even know what that means?

I don't need an argument, AM2R is factually not a real Metroid game, so it doesn't deserve to be on a list about Metroid games. Simple.

I don't really give a fuck about some random anons list though, not everyone will agree on it anyway. It's just something for autists to save and repost every once in a while.

>>381631783
No, they got the attention and praise they got because they're actually good mods that not only change the core gameplay in a meaningful way, but they're also

Project M was popular at a time and was playable at major tournaments with big pots and viewership on the same level as melee, but the process of obtaining it is less accessible than hacking in Hyper Metroid.

How to get Project M:
>Buy a 2GB SD Card (YOU HAD TO SPEND MONEY TO PLAY IT LEGALLY)
>Put the files on the card
>Go into brawl
>Go into stage editor
>Game starts

meanwhile
>Either download a rom for Hyper Metroid
or
>download super metroid, hyper metroid, and lunar ips, and emulator
>open lunar ips, patch hyper metroid to super metroid
>run super metroid in emulator
Guess which is more popular

smash faggots ruin yet another metroid thread
what a surprise

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>>381629190
IT WAS STILL NINTENDO'S PROPERTY RRRRREEEEEEEEEE

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>>381631998
>AM2R is factually not a real Metroid game
Factually, copyright laws didn't exist until the late 1800's. So prior to that time period, factually, AM2R would be considered a real metroid game, but today it isn't, because you were memed into believing that Intellectual Property was a tangible thing.

And, pray tell, what makes a "real" metroid game?

That it has to be published by Nintendo? That's pretty arbitrary, don't you think?

>>381630584
Because, like people aid, if you add AM2R, why not add the plethora of other good fan games?

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>>381621010
>all these fags that arent ready for the evolution of 2D metroid gameplay
Havent been this ready since GBA.
Fags cried casualization back then as well and we got some fantastic games. They are just doing them in the other order this time. Remake first then the next numbered title along with 3D games. Fusion was a good game but never as good as super, but the handling and moves samus got were fantastic though. Then fucking Zero Mission happened and I couldnt believe how good it was.

I'm ready for metroid 5 since it will be the one thats not linear since its being made second. Gotta get practice making a simpler game first then really go crazy in level design the second time.

>>381631890
>I said people who enjoyed the otiginal, not those that have just played it.
In fairness, I also did enjoy it to the extent that was possible, and it was at least 3 years before AM2R even began production, so I didn't just play it for "gamer cred". I genuinely wanted to see the series. Truth be told, it was on a piece of crap with a dead battery, so it would be 7 years later before I actually finished the game.

>There's the statue that Arachnus destroyed
Technically he WAS Arachnus, and destroying the statue earlier was for gameplay purposes. Arachnus in the original was retarded.

>Also you kill a Torizo earlier in the game. At this point, broken Chozo statues aren't a big deal so it doesn't really have any impact.
It's at least a good point into the game, not the halfway point exactly, but it's enough for you to think nothing of it. Besides, you actually do get an item from him traditionally, which makes it all the more surprising when he goes kill crazy.

>The point was that the developers wouldn't have made these changes if they were familiar with the source material,
The changes were necessary because Metroid 2 has aged like curdled milk, and some justifications were made for the sake of better gameplay. If it doesn't fit the "lore" then perhaps the lore should be happy that they didn't remove it period, since story is not important in a game.

>which again questions the point of this remake when they probably could have made a much better game if they tried to make it original.
This particular guy wanted to do Metroid a service by giving it a faithful remake, especially in the wake of a massive Metroid drought. I'd feel the same sentiment if someone made an F-Zero fangame considering how long they've been waiting. Other people have gone ahead and made new Metroid-ish games. And I enjoy them. but some of us like seeing Samus once more.

>>381631929
Fusion and Zero Mission had decent maps. The issue was that Fusion arbitrarily destroyed certain hatches, making the map inaccurate and a chore to traverse at times while Zero Mission had a number of expansions that were locked behind the 4 post-game upgrades so you were forced to go out of your way for a clean-up round if you wanted to 100% the game.

>>381622746
There's no auto aim

The counter isn't any more powerful than charge jump/ghetto screw attack because they are both free kill melee unless a 2nd enemy attacks you in the process. If you think it slows the game down or you don't like it for any other reason, don't press X.

>3D QTEs
Ok yeah, that's shit whether you opt to do it or not.

>>381632247
Because they don't meet the standard that Metroid set and are too distinctly unpolished that they aren't really worth playing on their own.

If you make a Metroid list, you want games that strictly confine to that standard of being a metroid game.

Whether or not the game is published by Nintendo is an arbitrary standard that shouldn't define what makes Metroid, Metroid. Especially given that Metroid has been developed by different people all throughout its existence, all under the same corporation.

>>381624673
Fusion Japan, zero mission, and other M got hard modes. Every time they make you beat the game on normal first though. It's retarded.

>>381632519
Metroid games are short either way, not that big a deal.

>>381631865
I really don't get why people pretend good Smash is bad and bad Smash is good. You can't even tell me it's because of torneyfags because none of you were even around for Tygawhatever and Smashboards, at best you heard about it years later.

>>381632593
It is a big deal, you should never have to redo content just to play it in a more challenging difficulty

>>381632519
eh, I'm fine with that. Metroid games are meant to be replayed.

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>>381632386
>The counter isn't any more powerful than ghetto screw attack
No shit really?
I use to use that all the time in ZM.
Shit man now I have to think more about this.

So any theories what the extra content might relate to? If its just a new chozo area and nothing else I will be disappointed honestly.

>>381630950
Were the metroids in the original game hard? Even in AM2R they're easy to kill. The Omega Metroid is easy to cheese since it has like 2 attacks.

Oh man, I can't wait for Sakamoto, EPD, and Mercury Steam to work on Metroid Dread. The Fusion/Zero Mission/Samus Returns guy making the map, Samus wearing a remodeled end game Fusion Suit, Chozo planet with a GF facility built in, Scan Pulse thus killing any reason for Adam giving players a map, since Samus is AWOL she wouldn't need to follow Adams orders, Chozo statues and Data Rooms for upgrades, a more opened world that not fully blocked off, cutscenes that can be skipped if you don't want to see them. a mixture of Samus Returns and Fusion's doors, a lot of freedom. I can't wait, Metroid Samus Returns opens a lot of opportunities for Metroid Dread either on the 3DS or Switch.

>>381632759
No they had awful AI. Only a shit arena with bad luck could get you hurt.

>>381629661
>her role as a mother is so important that it means more than her relationship with the chozo

Sakamoto was a mistake

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>>381621010
>just finished AM2R
>mfw I forgot this game comes out in September so now I can compare the two fairly since AM2R will be fresh in my mind.

>>381632759
In AM2R they're decently challenging at the least, thanks to the most recent patches.

>>381622746
There are no QTEs.
Where is everyone even getting that from?

>>381632931
Do the they still only have like 2 moves?

>>381632289
>This particular guy wanted to do Metroid a service by giving it a faithful remake
It's not that faithful though. There's a lot of new stuff added, a few things that have been removed and most of the returning things end up are not optimised for the Super/Zero Mission style of design so they end up being relatively tedious. There's no reason why this had to be a Metroid II remake, it could have been a Metroid fan game with an original plot and it wouldn't have the baggage of being a remake.

>>381629661
So what you are saying is samus is going to realize she ridley'd the entire metroid species except the child.

Its always been a story about genocide, its about time it reflects the one she lived through on her planet.
>muh samus can be hooman
If samus doesnt go full retard like last time it might be good. Just wait until September then if its bad we can go apeshit on his ass.

>>381632759
They were difficult because they had small hitboxes and did nothing but charge at you, which meant it was very easy for them to get into a position where you couldn't shoot them at all.
The sole reason they're easier in AM2R is because they don't do that anymore and have actual attacks. Also because you can aim diagonally.

>>381626332
>If you're going to put AM2R in there, you have to include all the Metroid and Super Metroid hacks in there too.

They're all shit

>>381633057

Only Alpha and Gamma Metroids.

>>381621430
how can I into prime trilogy on dolphin?

>>381633132
Don't. Half the thread is shitposts because of that post. Don't start the argument up again.

>>381632907
We know one thing for sure: The sound and map design will be better in Samus Returns. AM2R will probably remain the harder game but that's to be expected of a fan game pandering to hard core fans.

>>381631967
is fusion considered one of the harder metroid games?

>>381633084
Every change made was for the better, though.

>there's no reason why this had to be a metroid 2 remake
Because he wanted it to be.

>>381633217
>sound and map design will be better
fight me, there's literally nothing wrong with am2r's map or sound

>>381623454
Personally, I would recommend AM2R, but as an optional game after you've played the other main metroid games. Just something to hold you over if you need a quick Metroid kick, that's why it was made, after all.

>>381625346
>playing Ambassador games

enjoy your filtered blurry mess

hack your 3ds and inject the games

>>381633084
I feel like you're shitposting for the sake of shitposting now.