>Come Nerevar, friend or traitor, come. Come and look upon

>>381537463
The general quality of writing in AAA games has gone steadily downhill.

Personally I think the apex of clever dialogue wasn't Morrowind but rather the LucasArts adventure games, especially Sam & Max Hit the Road

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it requires talent, and if a developer chooses to focus on good writing they'll just hire Chris Avellone and call it a day

>Meet Dagoth Ur
>"MUH PROHECY WE ARE DESTINED TO BE ENEMIES"
Nah man I actually don't mind you can keep doing what you're doing I'll fuck off somewhere else out of respect for our past friendship
>"NO MUH PROPHECY SAYS WE WILL BE ENEMIES SO I WILL FIGHT YOU NOW, FULFILLING THE PROPHECY"
Fuck Dagoth Ur he's a dumb cunt.

>>381537762
Counterpoint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIULSMuW_Q

>>381537561
Adventure games are kind of a different thing, since dialogue is much more important in them and you actually HAVE to pay attention to it.

the writing was excelent in Morrowind. We shall never see its like again

>>381537762
>is going to plunge the world into a cancer zombie apocalypse
>heh live and let live dude

>>381537463

>Achieves godlike status
>Realizes they're living in the dream of a giant fucking head
>Builds GIANT machine to try and break out of the dream and kill godhead.

The fucking madman. Great character.

>>381537762
>Nah man I actually don't mind you can keep doing what you're doing
what the fuck is wrong with you m8
did you play the game or read all about it on a wiki?

>>381538847
Where is this stated?

>>381538806
>>381538948
Doesn't corpus make you immune to it anyways? Who gives a shit, you'll achieve CHIM eventually anyways.

>>381539006

>LORE Noob

HAHAHA, lurk more.

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>>381539006
TeS lore is some really deep shit man

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>you'll never witness Akhulakhan once it's finished

>>381539065
Because everyone else will die?

>>381539148
>Calls others lore noobs
>Thinks Dagoth wanted to "kill" the godhead

He wanted to mantle it, sperg.

Because they had to make up for how boring the gameplay/questlines actually were with interesting and thoughtful world building dialogue.

Devs no longer have to worry about writing something interesting and thoughtful to build the world since 95% of people who play games now shy away from a paragraph like it's going to legitimately kill them if they have to read it on their own.

>>381539238
Don't tell anyone but it fights libety prime in elder scrolls: earth

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd5MSJtN7FOJetOllSZjb4zZblhwJkU_t

>>381539278

No, because he knew he was unable to become an Amaranth, he was also fully aware that the godhead has no power over his dream, so why the fuck would he want to mantle it when his singular fucking goal was to achieve power? Also, I'm not sure you can "Mantle" the godhead, since "mantling" something in TESLORE is that you mimic that entity so well that the GODHEAD can't tell the difference between the both of you and merge you into a singular being. Since GODHEAD exists only outside the dream he would not be able to confuse himself with someone else.

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>>381539065
>you'll achieve CHIM eventually anyways.
Who says you will? Even if you were to get close which is exceedingly unlikely, you might just zero-sum yourself out of existence. A nerevarine who can't be arsed to deal with Dagoth Ur doesn't seem to be the sort to reassert himself against the universe's desire to correct his existence.

>>381539445

This is actually a really cool fucking part of the lore.

Chim is realizing that you're just a figment of godheads imagination, but still insisting that your personality, your identity, exists independently.

Like an über rebel of some kind, except not edgy and faggy.

>>381539557
Yeah, it's basically realising that you're not actually real, but still stating with full, unbreakable willpower "I AM"

>>381539557

>except not edgy and faggy

Let's not be too hasty.

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>>381539557
Says a lot when Vivec the massively-egocentric-hooker-who-betrayed-his-friend-for-godhood is one of the few who might've achieved it.

Him and Tiber Septim, I guess.

>>381539687

Kek, ok.

Less edgy and faggy*. That's my last offer.

I wish I could get into Morrowind, the lore honestly looks more interesting than Oblivion or Skyrim.

>>381539834

The Oblivion DLCs touches into the subjects of Mantling pretty well, except that they never really explain it to you directly.

Anyways, Morrowinds combat sucks dingus, so I wouldn't blame you if you torrent it and just use cheats to power through the story.

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>>381539834
That's why Morrowind's great, really. The province itself is considerably more interesting either Cyrodiil or Skyrim in their game incarnations (both were way more interesting when Morrowind was the only 3d ES game around). You really get a feeling for how society works and how all the factions have a role to play in it.

Wasn't there in one of Morrowind's DLCs a room with that powerful guy in it, but he was dead and he was wired to some super hi-tec cables? Kinda looked like inside of UFO saucer.

Why the fuck was this mega hi-tec abandonded in later games? Might and Magic had it too and I think it's cool as fuck.

>>381537762
Ur wouldn't let anyone who could challenge his god hood live. Someone who could make the general population (or Ur) question Ur's divinity is a threat.

>>381539834
It definitely is, but the really interesting pars of TeS lore are rarely touched in games, let alone properly explained. At most you can find some info in the ingame books, but mainly you have to lurk beyond the games.

>>381539834

You spend more time reading in morrowind than actually doing anything honestly.

Imagine DSP playing morrowind dude. Without his dicksucker fanbase holding his hand.

He's be so fucked.

Glad to see the thread hasn't devolved into heated arguments about "MUH CHIM"

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>>381540065
That'd be Sotha Sil, a member of the Tribunal.

He was murdered by Almalexia but I don't remember why. She kinda dropped the ball after the Heart of Lorkhan was destroyed and she started losing her powers.

So is the TESO Morrowind expansion any good? Any retcons?

>>381539747
>friend
He was his 'beloved one' and CHIM is about love or someshit. Nerevar betrayal was probably ritually act.

>>381540065
Because Tamriel's society is regressing, its golden age has ended hundreds of years ago.
That's why there are ruins fucking everywhere
Sopha Sil's Clockwork City was an exceptional and miraculous thing even for past standards though.

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>>381540323
It's pretty good.

>>381539834
Morrowind is really flawed but also really great. The gameplay gets shat on a lot but I think that it's also one of the reasons why the game is so fun. You can build your character and its skills and equipment in a much more versatile way than you can in Obli or Skyrim, the player is given a lot more options in terms of how he can explore the world and so on. Just tons of little things that make the whole experience more interesting, unique and memorable. This also leads to the game being easily breakable, but I haven't ever really minded it. But yeah, at the end of day, it's the world of Morrowind that either sucks you in or not.

Morrowind is IMO one of the last 90s style WRPGs where things like balance or even certain core mechanics can be awkward at best but which try to replicate a pnp rpg feel of openness and self expression instead. There's plenty of great games done in this style but the whole approach to game design is completely different from the Japanese style of super smooth gameplay. Personally I like them both but I can see why some people have a really hard time getting into wrpg classics.

I think that you can ease your process of getting into Morrowind by playing a character which has a decent close combat skill and speed to begin with, and some spellcasting ability too. It's really easy to make a bad character in the game and gimp your experience.

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>>381540574
The madmen

We won't get new TES while TESO is alive

>>381539238
Wait the blight came from Akhulakhan?
Shit man.

Is Vivec dead by the time Oblivion/Skyrim takes place? He's a huge self-righteous cunt so I hope he's not immortal.

>>381540065
Mostly because that thing doesn't sell.
People love high fantasy stagnated in the Middle Ages.

>>381540664
I'm kind of glad to be honest. I like TESO and I'm really afraid they'll fuck the next TES up.

>>381540776
>arguably has acheived CHiM
>dead

>>381538847
All bullshit.

>>381539006
Nowhere.

The rantings of an upjumped zealot make for tedious listening. His ilk serves no role in what is to come

So now that OpenMW has been "done" for a decent amount of time already is there anything interesting going on with it?

>>381540664
I like what these guys doing more than Todd.

>>381540776
By Skyrim, yes. By Oblivion canonically, I don't think so, although you can kill him yourself in Morrowind

>>381540256
Cause her boyfriend was reborn, but didnt give her the D

>>381540856

Read more into the lore, fag. He hasn't transcended like Tiber. He's still affected by mortality.

>>381540893
Gimme some of that proof, nigger.

Ok so I finished Morrowind for the first time just a couple days ago. I met Vivec and discussed everything I could with him. He didn't say chim once so what the fuck is the chim meme even about. I only saw it mentioned once in a book without explanation.

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>>381540947
Oh my nerevarine gave her the D. A Daedra spear, that is.

Fucking slut.

>>381540776
We dont really know. He could be dead, he could be in Oblivion, he could be hanging out with Jyggalag, or he could have sum zeroed.

>>381541014
>Gimme some of that proof, nigger.

Proof lies on you, game has no text regarding this.

All fanwank.

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>>381540256
My personal headcanon (not 100% lore, just my own conjecture) is that Almalexia's behaviour is actually not madness, but 100% her being Almalexia, member of the Tribunal, whose anticipation is Boethiah.

There's no mention, dabbling or influence of Sheogorath in anything around her. That made me extremely suspicious already, because Sheogorath is a corner of the House of Troubles and as such would 100% be involved in fucking over the Dunmer in one way or another, especially if someone as powerful as Almalexia was involved. Why isn't he around, then? Well, my personal thoughts is that she is actually not insane, but desperate to cling to the last remnants of power that she has.

Boethiah is the anticipation of Almalexia. Boethiah's sphere is power, fighting prowess, conspiracy, betrayal. Almalexia quite literally embodies all of those in a very good way. Among the dunmer, she is beloved and cherished, she's the Healing mother, but take a look at this picture here and tell me if this bitch looks anything other than a sociopath. She IS the betrayer, she is the person who will do anything to cling on power. At Red Mountain she betrayed Nerevar her husband and Nerevar her Hortator. No qualms about doing it whatsoever. All of the Tribunal betrayed Nerevar because they wanted power, but only Almalexia wanted power for the sake of power.

Nerevarine eventually comes back, the power of the Three is waning and Nerevarine destroys the heart (Fucking Azura is a huge bitch and this is a HUGE blow to Lorkhan in my opinion but that's a different story). Their power is waning. Sotha Sil knows way too many things, and Vivec is the one with CHIM and is well aware of how things are progressing. Almalexia is now sort of left in the dark, losing her power and desperate to cling onto power in any way she can. So she goes after Sotha Sil and in typical Boethiah fashion takes him out, only to be taken out by the Nerevarine as essentially revenge for her betrayal.

>>381541031

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Elder+Scrolls+Chim

>>381541105
That doesn't explain the meme. Why do I constantly see pictures of Vivec with chim plastered all over the place.

>>381541105
>I only saw it mentioned once in a book without explanation

Read the 36 Lessons of Vivec. CHIM can be explained in a simple way as being aware you are part of a dream but establishing your own independence in respect of the dream's existence and existence of all those in the dream without waking up and disappearing from said dream. Think kind of like a tiny part of your dream becoming self-aware and lucid-dreaming without waking up.

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>>381541092
Didn't they just have to kill him?

Why was it necessary to cut off his limbs, then skin his face off and stab him through the heart with a spear?

>>381541295
>That doesn't explain the meme. Why do I constantly see pictures of Vivec with chim plastered all over the place.

Because it's derived from the 36 lessons of Vivec retard.

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>>381541295
memes

>>381541326
>cut off his limbs
Because when he's reborn he'll be able to walk any path (meaning your character will be able to be a warrior a mage or whatever)
>skin his face off
Because when he's reborn he can be anything (meaning your character can be of any race and gender)
>stab him through the heart
Vivec is a dick.

>>381541320

You most likely replied to the wrong man.

>>381541295
Because Vivec was said to have achieved Chim, although not in the same was as Tiber Septim.

They are also the only two people to ever achieve "Chim".

>>381541420
If you explanation is true, then why did the Nerevarine do all that anyway?

>>381541462
Do what?

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>>381541092
She really was a proper skank.

>>381541495
>Because when he's reborn he'll be able to walk any path (meaning your character will be able to be a warrior a mage or whatever)

He was reborn and walked any path anyway.

>Because when he's reborn he can be anything (meaning your character can be of any race and gender)

He was reborn and was any race and gender anyway.

What was the point? Were they backwards savages?

>>381541579
They did all that so he COULD.

>>381541579

They did all that so that he COULD be reborn as whatever race and walk whatever path, if they had not done that, he could not have changed at all.

>>381541636
>>381541629
So they wanted him to come back and fuck their shit up?

Still don't get it.

>>381540664
To be honest I thought I'd fucking hate ESO but said fuck it and jumped in for Morrowind expansion. I'm glad I did. The gameplay is pretty standard but it has some fucky quirks that make it interesting in its own right. I just got done with the Morrowind side of things and had fun. I hope the rest of the game is worth checking out or at least the DLC's look promising. They paid really good attention to the lore so far so fuck knows. I just wish Todd and crew don't fuck up another Fallout or TES.

>>381541579
What? That's literally what I meant.
Them cutting his face and feet is symbolic and represents exactly that the Nerevarine can be from any race, gender and class.
Which is why in-game you are free to build your character any way you like.
I think it's just symbolism and not a literal representation of how they killed him, however.

>>381541691

Jesus fucking Christ.

>>381541729
So it's bullshit?

Alright then.

>Jiub
>Good samaritan
>Treats you well
>Makes it personal quest to FUCKING ERADICATE the entire species known as "Cliff Racer"
>Objectively a fucking hero and the saviour of Morrowind
>Ends up eternally trapped inside the soul-cairn.

IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>381541691
they were trying to be cool and send there friend off with some respect even though they were stabbing him in the back while he was trying to talk to azura

really it's all bullshit though, there's no real explanation as to how Nerevar died but it was likely not pretty

>>381541326
They did it so that his reincarnation could come as anyone. No face, so that he could be of any race, no genitals so that he may be of any gender, no feet so that he may come as anyone. Granted, this may or may not have been bullshit, since there's also implications that you weren't the actual Nerevarine but just some prisoner, possibly a Shezzarene
and that good old Uriel Septim and Azura pushed you in this knowing very well what would happen to the Tribunal but in the end you sort of end up mantling the Nerevarine anyway and go off fucking Azura and traveling to the future in Akavir.

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>>381541691
Nerevar's return was inevitable. If Nerevar had come back as Nerevar their shit would have been considerably more pushed in and way earlier than it was. Instead he was reborn as whatever and had to prove himself through the elaborate prophecy.

This is kinda fun because you can insist that you definitely aren't Nerevarine throughout the game when asked, but because you walk the walk you still kind of mantle him in a sense. If you're not the Nerevarine at the start, you sure as shit become him over the course of the story.

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>>381538847
You do realize that "godhead" is not referring to an actual head right?

>>381541778
Woah there tough guy, I bet you've come far in life with that shit fucking attitude.

Use your fucking brain moron, we won't spoonfeed you obvious information like your tard wrangler.

>>381541691
No one knows for sure, you just have a thousand different fanwanks.
Welcome to TES lore.

Why do people complain that in Fallout 4 you are given preset role of father when in Morrowind you are literally god no matter what, it's just given preset of being a reincarnation.

>>381541691
Well, if you backstabbed someone would you like them to reborn as exactly the same person DEFINITELY willing to take revenge, or someone completely different, who might do that when he finds out, but might just as well not care? There was a good dozen Nerevar reincarnation before the player character and none of them tried to fuck with the tribunal, most of them probably didn't even know who did their soul belong to before

>>381541903
Nah fuck you.

>>381541891
This makes sense.

>>381541901

Yes. I am very well aware, what made you think I weren't?

Whatever you want to call it is not a literal floating fucking head, any idiot knows that. It's a state of being.

>>381541420
>>stab him through the heart
>Vivec is a dick.
Actually it was so the Nerevarine could experience Muatra (symbol of Vivec dick) from both sides.
Basically meaning that the Nerevarine could either be male or female.

>>381541927
because morrowind is a good game and fallout 4 is shit

>>381541845
Has it ever been addressed how much the extinction of a very common species affected Morrowind's ecosystem? The lore is not deep enough!

>>381541846
Thanks to the Tribunal being gods, they actually did kill him the way described. Nerevar both died at Red Mountain through random-ass backstabbery and died with the entire ritual. Shit works that way when you're literally gods. They also kinda rewrote history so that the Nerevarine prophecy comes true and that he returns as the savior of the Dunmer against the Lost House. They also didn't rewrite it and it came from Azura who wanted revenge on them and to stop Lorkhan from possibly being reincarnated so that she may be Lorkhan's champion on Nirn.

>>381542078
Since that same ecosystem got fucked irremediably soon afterwards I don't think anyone cares.

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>>381541927
Because you're not. In Fallout 4 you have no choice in the matter. In Morrowind you can either ignore the main quest and stay non-Nerevarine forever. Even if you keep doing it, you may assert that you are indeed not Indoril Nerevar reborn, you're just an agent of your own ambition/the Empire/whatever. The prophecy has to be fulfilled to come true, and you don't have to fulfill it at all.

Remember, you're sent to Morrowind because you fit the initial requirement of the prophecy. Ie; a child born to uncertain parents under an uncertain sign. The Emperor basically sent out an APB for a guy who matched the description. Even if a guy fits it, he's not necessarily the Nerevarine until it's proven.

>>381542078
Vivec's giant flying turd destroyed most of Vvardenfell soon after the events of Morrowind so we can't really tell

>>381541927
Morrowind is literally the only Bethesda RPG with not-shit writing.

I didn't say great either, I said not-shit.

is there any proof that the change from chimer to dunmer was sudden or can it be attributed to a few thousand years of living in a volcanic hellhole? also, how did almsivi convince the people that their skin turning black was a good thing?

>>381542078
considering cliff racers were scavengers and nuisance creatures, and considering Vvardenfell is a hellscape for the most part without much of an ecosystem to speak of, probably not much

>>381541927
You're not.
The prophecy is self-fulfilling, you're not born as the Nerevarine, you're just a mere candidate, the only way for you to become him is by passing the trials, in the end, by passing them you become something so similar to him that you become him -this is what's known as "mantling"-.
There have been other candidates, and they failed, you succeeded out of your own strength, not because you were destined.

I don't understand why this seems so hard to grasp to someone when the Urshilaku wise woman literally tells you this the first time you go to see her.

>>381541014
>Asking other people to disprove something you haven't shown any supporting evidence for
There's no supporting evidence for it.

wow that was hard to disprove.

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>>381542215
Hey hang on, that was Sheogorath's turd. Vivec just put it in stasis instead of just getting rid of it. It became a constant reminder of his godhood to the people of Vvardenfell and just reinforced the idea that they needed him.

Besides, the rebuilding of Vvardenfell started relatively soon after the outbreak, atleast Balmora.

>>381542078
The Red Year happened. Vivec's giant shit came down from the sky and annihilated most of the country. Then the Oblivion Crisis came in and then Argonians invaded so the Dunmer couldn't really give less of a shit about what's happening with the ecosystem.

>Caring about the incoherent nonsense from two dead so-called "gods" named Viced and Alexshittia when the one one worth caring about is the teachings of the one that actually survived, Sotha Sil
>Giving a single shit about the sermons after reading the Truth in Sequence
WEW LAD

>>381537762
he doesn't attack you first

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>>381542323
>is there any proof that the change from chimer to dunmer was sudden
People like Divayth Fyr and the Tribunal were around when it happened. The Dunmer got super cursed by Azura the Vengeful Bitch after the Tribunal shanked Nerevar and made themselves gods. Top tier heresy right there.

Can we talk about how radical Divayth Fyr is? The raddest.

>>381542442
>TESO

>>381542356
Sermon 33, it was one of Vivec's children with Molag Bal called Lie Rock, born of Vivec's Second Aperture. Kirkbride and Lady Nerevar explicitly confirmed it was Vivec's giant steaming shit after Molag Bal came in his ass.

Also, not that it mattered, the Daedra invaded and fucked them up anyway,

Here's my question: did Barenziah survive?

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>hey dude, I'll give you one punch for free
>immediately attacks you after saying that

>>381542323
Considering that they wanted to separate themselves from other Altmers, the dark skin might be considered a sign that they finally fully succeeded at that, especially just after they defeated the Dwemer and secured the whole province for themselves.

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>>381542532
No one ever said Dagoth Ur was a gentleman.

>>381542163
>>381542215
But if the flying potato hadn't fell, what species would have become the next cliff racer? Just wondering.

>>381542505
>Ignoring lore in a lore thread

>>381542364
I'm pretty sure Oblivion crisis happened way earlier anon. Argonians just took advantage of the Red Year.

>>381542364
>The Red Year happened
>Then the Oblivion Crisis came in
wut

>>381542609
NOT CANON
GET OUT SANDERS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>381542680
>>381542642
sorry, my bad, i had it in my mind that it was red year then oblivion crisis then argonian invasion. Either way, they still ended up fucked in the end.

how badly does eso fuck up morrowind's lore

>>381542882
>>381542882
it doesn't actually, it's still written by thelemic crackheads with kirkbargoth's approval

>>381542789
Oblivion crisis happens, well, during events of Oblivion, while the Red Year happens shortly before the events of Skyrim. And there is a 200 years or something like that timeskip before Oblivion and Skyrim, so Dunmers had plenty of time to rebuild after OC.

>>381542495
>Cures zombie-adis by day
>fucks bitches at night
>bitches that are created by him, for him
>has no stairs in his home travels by magic
>barbarians unable using levitation can't bother him
>Multimillionare charity for coprus victims and endangered species

Raddest of the rad. Why other TES wizards couldn't be half as cool?

>>381542712
Buckle up fuccboi, it's cannon even if it hurts your wee wee feelings.

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>>381543261
>bitches that are created by him, for him
You forgot ", of him" They're his god damn female clones.

>>381542882
Became too much like Morrowind and now the franchise is retroactively ruined.

>>381539158
Woah
Even better than when Vivec realized I he's inside a videogame in his 36 lessons, which is already great.

>>381537463
>Come to me openly, not by stealth.
Is he afraid of stealth archery?

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>>381543564
Well shit.

>>381543564
Was stealth archery (or stealth in general) even good in Morrowind? I've never properly tried it.

>>381543309
>I should have been the cool Morrowind throwback wizard
Especially because the only way to kill Divayth Fyr if the player goes murderhobo for no reason. Meanwhile there is a specific quest about killing Neloth.

Muatra is Vivecs dick, right?
So
>At the end of Vivecs trial, he shoved Muatra down Azura's throat, banishing her from this world
He face fucked Azura.

>>381537463
>Why don't people write dialogue like this anymore?

Is the implication here that this is meant to be really good? Because that is the blandest or bland generic dialogue.

I swear to god, the standards for video game writing are a fucking joke.

>>381543759

Actually if i get it right its part of molags bal dick that vivec bit off and shaped it up but it also represents his own genitals aswell

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Will there EVER be another last boss with a voice as sexy as Dagoth Ur?
>Omnipotent. Omniscient. Sovereign. Immutable. How sweet it is to be a god!

>>381541050
Is that Nerevar gettin' killed by ALMSIVI?

>>381544239
combined dicking of two gods, then.

>>381543656
In vanilla it's almost useless unless your skill is 100 and it's completely unreasonable to level it up by sneaking. You either have to spend gorillions getting trained or park your character in a dark corner of a house for two realtime days.

>>381541050
What's the significance of Sotha Sil taking his face and Almalexia taking his feet?

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>>381541927
>in Morrowind you are literally god no matter what
Just like these guys, right?

>>381542238
You write and sound like someone who has only played Morrowind and Skyrim

>>381544349
Here's a better question.

Are ranged weapons good at all in morrowind?

No I haven't gotten around to playing it yet.

>>381544537
I've played every Bethesda RPG from Morrowind and up.

Are you implying that oblivion through fallout 4 has good writing? Because it's all garbage.

There's like a couple ok parts in all of Oblivion and both of Bethesda's fallout games are gutter trash in every respect.

>>381544557
I haven't tried them but that anon was talking about the sneak skill.
Sneaking is useless in Morrowind.

>>381544629
Oblivion has exponentially better writing than Morrowind, both in the main villain, protagonists and respective guilds. Also "Morrowind and up". Figures, after Skyrim, Morrowind is most people's "My first TES". That you haven't actually played the first 2 and then call it the peak when it's actually the black sheep of the 5 games is noted.

>>381544895
>Oblivion has exponentially better writing than Morrowind, both in the main villain, protagonists and respective guilds.

You couldn't utter another word and be expected to be taken seriously after this vomit. Get out of here.

>>381544895
>Oblivion has exponentially better writing than Morrowind, both in the main villain, protagonists and respective guilds.
The main villain in Oblivion doesn't speak as far as I recall, the "protagonists" (Martin?) are bland and the guild quest lines don't offer remarkable writing either.

>>381544965
Explain to me the brilliant writing of Morrowinds guilds then you fucking retard, or how Vivec's teachings have anything to do with the ingame world. Morrowind places it's power levels and stakes high but that's about it, it fails entirely in developing any of them.

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>>381544895
>Oblivion has exponentially better writing than Morrowind

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>>381544557
I recently replayed Morrowind as a Wood Elf stealth archer, and it was fun. Bows are definitely not as OP as they are in Skyrim, but they're viable. Just remember to also get something for melee.

>>381545089
Nobody in the thread has ever said that the guilds in Morrowind have good writing.

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>>381540065
Because Men are the most powerful currently.

If only there was some kind of Mer uprising to restore Tamriel to its former glory...

>>381545184
Did you play using MGSO?

I tried using that but it broke literally the first mages guild quest because bunglers bane or whatever the mushroom is called literally couldn't be found anywhere because it took them out of the game world for some reason.

I really want to use it but can't get myself to knowing it could possibly break other shit in the game.

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>>381545239

>>381544895
who even is the main villain of oblivion, i literally can't remember anyone from the main quest aside from brother martin and the monk in the church.

also "black sheep" lol you said some stupid things

>>381545239
Elves in Skyrim are ugly as hell.
What went wrong?

>>381545284
Mehrunes Dagon and Mankar Cameron.

Don't know if I'm spelling them right, but yeah.

>>381545321
Proper portrayal.

Not a fan of Skyrim but I love how the races are actually portrayed the way they're supposed to be.

>>381545201
Then show me an example of good writing in Morrowind, the main quest is simply a Tolkein imposter with less depth and elaboration,

>>381544457
His face is taken so that he may come as anyone (any species) and his feet are taken so that he may come as any path (any profession). In addition, the stabbing of the heart with Vivec's proverbial and literal dick spear is so that he can experience both sides and may come as either male or female.

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>>381545321
The character designs in skyrim were great, it was just that the voices were lame.
Seriously fuck whoever made nords into pseudo Scandinavians instead of scots and gave Dunmer cockney accents

>>381545284
Mehrunes Dagon obviously, but the guy who you actually go against and who started all this mess is Mankar Camoran, the leader of his cult.

Actually, damn, I feel like replaying Oblivion. Are there any mods to make Oblivion gates more interesting? They're such a boring chore, but I feel bad just leaving them behind or rushing through main quest.

>>381545452
>he main quest is simply a Tolkein imposter with less depth and elaboration,

Are you FUCKING serious? No one fits this description better than Mehrunes Dagon in Oblivion and mankar camoran fills the role of corrupt wizard as well.

Oblivion is LITERALLY tolkien and butchered TES lore more than any game in the series barring TESO.

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>>381545258
>bunglers bane or whatever the mushroom is called literally couldn't be found anywhere
I also played through the game as a spellcaster, but I don't remember that ever happening. The only bugs I found were strange doors that opened like sliding doors and didn't have anything behind them.
It'd be simpler (and more nostalgic) to play Morrowind vanilla, of course, but try to at least get some mods that update the graphics. It looks nicer, and if I remember correctly, you can't even make the game run widescreen in vanilla.

>>381545497
>describes Oblivion
>calls it Morrowind

Really makes the almonds activate.

>>381543705
>Especially because the only way to kill Divayth Fyr if the player goes murderhobo for no reason. Meanwhile there is a specific quest about killing Neloth.


TODD YOU FUCKING HACK

>>381545452
Relevant characters like Vivec or Almalexia have generally interesting writing associated to them. Since there's no voice acting (although Vivec was actually voiced) they could go wild.
Oblivion is very constricted in that regard, which is a shame since they started giving more flavour to the quests, despite most of them being down-right nonsensical from a narrative standpoint.

Also I don't understand why you say Morrowind MQ is a Tolkien imposter, Morrowind is the least Tolkien-esque TES game.

>>381545765
Well it definitely happened.

All the tress that normally had bunglers bane didn't have them, and I reinstalled the mod again but didn't seem to help.

What tree presets are you using? Because I really want a visual upgrade but this shit is driving me nuts.

>>381542325
that doesnt make any fucking sense, its a prophecy you only fulfill it because you ARE nerevar reborn thats the whole point you dont become him you ARE him it makes no sense any other way

>>381545558
Is it now, interesting, I remember Morrowind having dark gods and a volcano central to the theme, I also remember Kagrenac being a mighty similar character to Celebrimbor. Even the basic plots of the elves using the forged tools is word for word what Morrowind copy pasted.

>>381543705
>Meanwhile there is a specific quest about killing Neloth
Was there any explanation for this?

>>381545962
>Was there any explanation for this?

It's not canon, that's it.

>>381545926
Then don't call it a prophecy, call it a ruse if you will.
There was absolutely nothing separating you from the other candidates when you began, yet you succeeded and they didn't.
The wise woman at the Urshilaku camp told you specifically that you weren't the Nerevarine, just another somebody that could become him.

>>381542609
TESO isn't canon dumbass

>>381545932
The motivations of Morrowind's Dagoth ur and Sauron/Melkor is not the same, the towns are not the same, the plot has nothing to do with Tolkien stuff. Just because there's elves and a volcano doesn't mean it's got things to do with Tolkien, you'd have been 100 times more effective with your b8 if you said Kirkbride ripped off Islam and Thelema.

>>381545962
>>381545989
Yes it is a Mage Guild mission to kill all House Telvanni Councilors.

>>381546103
What's sad is people are smug about TESO not being canon but in reality Bethesda is on the fast track to butchering the lore as much as TESO is.

TES is dead.

>>381545932
>kagrenac
>similar to celebrimbor

how is some fedoralord fuck whose deal is literally making a new antigod to house his own species in the same as celebrimbor?

>>381545932
>I remember Morrowind having dark gods
Morrowind doesn't have dark gods.
>and a volcano central to the theme
The volcano in Morrowind is not central to the theme, it's just the location where the villain resides, there's nothing remarkable about the fact that it's a volcano.
> I also remember Kagrenac being a mighty similar character to Celebrimbor
And Celebrimbor is a mighty similar character to Alberich. It's almost like a legendary smith is a trope that goes back to the very Norse/Germanic mythos that Wagner used for his cycle.
> Even the basic plots of the elves using the forged tools
The main plot of LotR is hardly "the elves using the rings".

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>tfw you realize Vivec is simply the most self-fellating mary sue character ever created

You all jack off to kirkbride when he is the inventor of the ultimate self-insert mary sue.

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>>381545870
Oh, I believe you. I hear MGSO has its share of problems; I think I just got lucky and it didn't break my game too badly.
>What tree presets are you using?
The only tree-related mod I can find in my data files is Vurt's Grazelands Trees, but I'm sure there are others that'd work. Go check around Nexus.

>>381546302
Vivec is literally a dick to everyone around him, it'd be a Mary Sue if he actually presented him in a good light.

>>381546302
we all know he's a self-fellating mary sue but he's a self-fellating mary sue who is at least very interestingly written and offers a lot of meta and in-universe commentary

>>381546396
Kirkbride is a dick to everyone around him, he's an anti-social fuck who loves that about himself.

Vivec is literally kirkbride.

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>>381546302
>being a giant to asshole to everyone
>mary sue anything

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>>381546396
You both clearly don't know a thing about Michael Kirkbride.

>install GOG version of Morrowind on Windows 8.1 so that I can try out this mod called 'Sixth House' that supposedly lets you side with him
>crashes constantly, figure it must be the mod
>remove mod, reinstall, still happens - it's just Morrowind

goddamnit

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>love the depth and complexity of morrowind
>game looks like ass
>if they ever remake the game they'll end up butchering what made it great in the first place

>>381546139
>taking quests from Trebonius the retard
Nah man, he deserved to die instead of Telvanni's top lads.

>>381542442
>Truth in Sequence
>Colonel Sanders
I don't think so.
God I hate eso. Ever since it came out we didn't have a proper elder scrolls game.
Todd and that fuck now have to resort to draining the last life out of Skyrim.

>>381546586
It plays like ass too.

But honestly I don't mind that as much as how shit it has aged visually.

I can even play old games and enjoy them, I just beat OG Deus Ex and was fine with it but something about Morrowind is so ugly it hurts.

>>381546608
>Telvanni's top lads
There's like three mages in the whole Telvanni house that deserve anything other than merciless extermination.
Same with the mage's guild.

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>>381546586
>mfw that's probably true

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Daily reminder that the dwemer were fucking whack.

>>381546520
Naw, you're just a dumbass faggot with no body of work to speak of. You don't need to fear me, you just need to actually produce something worth more than the two-dollar fisting vids you keep trying to peddle on eBay.

>>381546715
where's the fedora tho

>>381546692
>probably

It unequivocally is.

Modern Bethesda will never capture what made Morrowind great because their entire philosophy on game design has changed. It's literally impossible if they want to make money, and they do.

>>381546279
>Doesn't have Dark Gods
Considering Dagoth Ur acts as one for the entirety of the main quest, yes he is.
>The volcano in Morrowind is not central to the theme
Is it now? I remember the lore stating that Red Mountain took up almost the entirety of the island and a lot of the agriculture revolved around the fact that it took up so much of the land, of course ingame it takes up jack shit, it's fucking tiny, but we won't get into that.
>And Celebrimbor is a mighty similar character to Alberich.
Celebrimbor is also an elf (Chimer/Dunmer) who created three rings (Tribunal). He was later attacked by a Dark Lord for these rings (Tribunals Power)
>The main plot of LotR is hardly "the elves using the rings".
It isn't, but LotR is also a much more vast and expansive universe than Morrowind, which tried to alienate itself from Arena and Daggerfall with its environment rather than its plot

>>381546761
Exactly.

>>381546778
That's probably true too.

"Probably" because all they would have to do is to give it better models, textrues, maybe add new lines of voice acting, and that's it.
Everything is already in Skyrim mosty, it wouldn't be half the cost it would take for an entirely new TES game, it is almost impossible to fuck up.

But I am sure Bethesda would manage, as they would try to modify the core of the game into "something that sells better with the modern audience"

>>381546795
>Considering Dagoth Ur acts as one for the entirety of the main quest, yes he is.
Neither Dagoth Ur or Vivec are gods, during the MQ you discover how they're just mortals tapping into a profane power.
>Is it now? I remember the lore stating that Red Mountain took up almost the entirety of the island and a lot of the agriculture revolved around the fact that it took up so much of the land
Unless you think Morrowind is a farming simulator that has jackshit to do with the plot. The Red Mountain was there before the chimer first arrived in Vvardenfell, it's a natural volcano, and if Dagoth Ur resides there is because that's where the heart of Lorkhan resides.
>Celebrimbor is also an elf (Chimer/Dunmer) who created three rings (Tribunal). He was later attacked by a Dark Lord for these rings (Tribunals Power)
Love how you just skimmed over my point of LotR not being all that original. Kagrenac created the tools to tap into the power of the Heart, they're not powerful by themselves. He wasn't attacked for these rings, the dwemer got exterminated because they warred for centuries against the dunmer, even before Kagrenac himself was born, in the last battle he desperately used them as a last resort and poofed his entire race out of existence for no one knows why (not really but in-game).

>It isn't, but LotR is also a much more vast and expansive universe than Morrowind
Ok, glad you agree with me there.

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>>381546769
Its gone

>>381547010
A Morrowind "Remaster" or "Remake" would be the equivalent of Star Wars Rogue one for star wars fans.

This is not a positive analogy.

>>381547136
Not him, but both Vivec and Dagoth Ur are very much gods, it's just that Ur is in the Dreamsleeve and projecting himself onto the world. Vivec the mortal's power is fading but Vivec the god is still kicking, hence if you hypothetically kill him and even soul trap him he's still free to go around doing whatever the fuck he wants
The point about Red Mountain is that while it takes up a solid part of the island, the agriculture revolves around the ashy soil which is very heavy on nutrients and supports growth of several starchy crops..

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>>381546769
Where's that image of Yagrum Bagarn on a starry night background with that quote about "gods of reason and logic" when I need it?

>>381547340
They aren't gods fuckass.

They have god like abilities because they tapped into the heart of Lorkhan.

They're basically extremely powerful wizards.

Extremely powerful wizard =/= god.

>>381547257

>supossed to be the only one of his race
>got the super aids equivalent of Morrowind

Is there a more unfortunate npc in this game then him?

>>381547340
That doesn't make them gods.
Gods in TES have a very particular meaning and origin, neither Vivec or Dagoth Ur fit that criteria, they're false gods, mere fakes.
And I understood the point about Red Mounatin, what I don't understand is how that makes it an integral part of the plot of the game.

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>>381547381
Literally googled Yagrum Bagarn meme.

>>381547429

They achieved god like powers and convinced the people that they are gods and also get worshipped as gods. That kinda makes them gods

>>381540664
I would be ok with that I just wish the quests in ESO weren't so fucking easy, I can mod the single player TES games to be more difficult but ESO is stuck being easy and boring as fuck

>>381539834
TOO BAD THE GAMEPLAY BLOWS DICK

>>381547558
If you blindly accept things as they appear, then yes they are gods.

But the truth is they aren't because TES is a universe where actual gods exist, and they aren't that.

>>381547558
They're not aedra, they're not gods.

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>>381547508
Nice.

>>381546574
Hah, ain't that the truth.

After days of frustration, morrowind finally taught me to save constantly. Before taking a quest, after taking a quest, when doing objectives, when finding something nice. Of course there was always some goddamnit shitfuck who whined about how the game was fine and it was all your fault go patch/sacrifice a goat/update drivers/burn incense/tweak the settings or some other totally non-helpful garbage.

That habit served me well over the years, at least until current days' with the whole bullshit "cinematic experience" aka checkpoints. I think that shit will crash regardless of what you do and we will never know why (aside from incompetence?).

>>381547627

But isn't that the point of the plot that the dunmer blindly accepted the almvisi as gods?

>>381547318
Rogue One was actually pretty good and pretty good recieved, famalam. You could say it would be like The Force Awakens, that one wasn't very good.

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>>381547795
>But isn't that the point of the plot that the dunmer blindly accepted the almvisi as gods?

Fucking exactly, and the fact that they weren't true gods is the entire point.

>>381547136
>Neither Dagoth Ur or Vivec are gods, during the MQ you discover how they're just mortals tapping into a profane power.
I didn't mention Vivec. Dagoth Ur is a god up until the Heart is destroyed, everything from his immortality, ability to manipulate, brainswash and cause violent storms at will, along with his ingame treatment as a "Special Creature" indicates this. You don't have to be a Daedra or Aedra to be classed as a god.
>Unless you think Morrowind is a farming simulator that has jackshit to do with the plot.
Considering a lot of the plot, as well as the blight and Corprus revolves around the Mountain and ecosystem, yes it does. You do know all your bitching about Vivec not being a god is due to him wasting power keeping the Ghostfence (constructed around the circumference of Red Mountain) is central to it? If you want we can ignore Red Mountain entirely and Dagoth Ur no longer has an isolated, hostile place to base his plan out of because it's "not central to the plot"
>Love how you just skimmed over my point of LotR not being all that original.
Everything has a base, if you're going to say Oblivion is ripping off LotR because of the villain and then ignore everything Morrowind did similar then that's not my problem. As for the tools not being powerful by themselves, what the fuck are you on about. Keening is the best dagger in the game, Wraithguard is arguably the best single piece of armour in the game. Sunder is the best hammer and single-handed weapon in the game, neither can be held without Wraithguard without dying immediately. The rings, in that regard should represent the Tribunal, which is why they were attacked by Dagoth Ur, saved by Vivec, and lost Kagrenacs tools in the process. Hence losing more power while Dagoth Ur continued to gain

>>381547810
So, you're one of "those people".

Rogue one is shite mate. It's pure fan wank with absolutely zero to offer other than nostalgia.

Call Force Awakens whatever you like but it still introduced new ideas, even if it did retread A New Hope plot.

>>381547318
I want to say rogue one was better that force awakens but I get your point and I would be wrong for several reasons. But God DAMN force awakens was shit.

>>381547825

Well ok theb we can agree that they did achieved godlike status. Also i always thought that one big reason that they lost their godlike powers was not only the destruction of the heart but also that nerevarine showed the tribunal the errors and they started to not worship them anymore

>>381547954
The Dunmer worship had no impact on their powers.

And they started to lose their powers because Dagoth Ur cut off their access to the heart. The Nerevarine simply destroyed it for good.

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>>381547429
>your character can become stronger than them naturally
What does it mean?

>>381547923
>Call Force Awakens whatever you like but it still introduced new ideas
No it didn't. It literally didn't. It didn't "retread" ANH plot, it was the exact same plot almost scene for scene except with a Mary Sue main character, also it barely even felt like a Star Wars movie. R1 was much better.

>>381546073
that still doesnt make any fucking sense azura herself says you're nerevar and its her prophecy

>>381548021

I don't remember what game or system it was but in one gods are defined by being worshipped and they get that power that way aswell. And to kill a god u would just need to stop worshiping him i guess that always sticked with me as very logical

>>381548087
>It didn't "retread" ANH plot, it was the exact same plot almost scene for scene except with a Mary Sue main character, also it barely even felt like a Star Wars movie. R1 was much better.

It "literally" wasn't. And it did introduce new ideas, sorry mate.

>>381548120

I think she said to this to anyone of the few who tried

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>>381547472
They are gods though. Vivec actively rewrote his history to make himself a god. Also, gods don't really have particular meaning nor origin. In fact, "god" is a very loose term in the TES universe. Daedra for example can be omnipotent and omniscient but they can also not be (see Azura and the Box). Some entities like Sheogorath are the madgod but his origin is highly disputable. Vivec, Mannimarco, Talos, all of them had mortal backgrounds and eventually became gods. Vivec rewrote his own stuff, Mannimarco became one via the Numidium and who the fuck knows what happened with those three bastards and Talos...unless you're one of those thalmor purists in which case burn in hell you individuality-hating prick

>>381543369

wtf

he did?

>>381547923
What were the new ideas in force awakens though? Everything seemed like a rehash from the original from the like jaaku/tatooine similarities to the new deathstar planet.
At least rogue one had good fight scenes. Id even say it had more unique ideas as a star wars film since it used force sensitive people that weren't jedis and had morally ambiguous portrayal of the rebels

>>381548218
no if you speak to them after getting the ring they all claim they thought they were the nerevarine because they fit 1 or 2 parts of the prophecy but died as soon as they put the ring on, azura herself placed an enchantment that only the true nerevarine, nerevar himself could wear it.

>>381548194
>And it did introduce new ideas, sorry mate
Like what? you can learn to use a lightsaber if your oppnent reminds you that you know Force?

>>381548162
You're thinking of DnD.

And like I said, the Tribunal are completely unaffected by Dunmer worship. They simply used their dogmatic followers as a means to consolidate power (politically). Sure they could rule by pure force of will but it's much better to make your followers love you than to rule by fear.

>>381538304
C0DA makes this canon

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Should i wait for skywind or play morrowind with mods?

>>381548395
Morrowind with mods.

>>381548162
That's a quite popular concept, used in many fictional worlds. Discworld, to name one of the more popular ones. But not in TeS

>>381548317

It has been so long since i played it i can't remember the dialogues of the unworthy nerevarines

>>381548379

A shame really i always liked the idea of the dnd godhood

>>381548395
>skywind
Anybody have that pic about the development?

>>381548395
>wait for Skywind

I too am waiting for something that'll never come. Mod morrowind, s'wit.

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Post yfw the Hlaalu scum are driven out of Morrowind following the imperial withdrawal from the province

>>381548162
American Gods comes to mind.

Before you ask, Don't read it or watch the show. Both are shit.

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>>381548650
servers them right for having such retarded fun quests

>>381540365
CHIM isnt about love, it's about existing without existance

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>>381548650
IT'S NOT FAIR
Redoran are "lol fight me" dumbasses, Telvanni are fucking NEET wizards who don't give a shit about the outside world, and Hlaalu were the ONLY ONES who had any business sense.
WHAT THE FUCK EVEN IS HOUSE SADRAS

I am a member of House Redoran and I'd like to remind you all that you're not being serious and grave enough and that you should stop having fun.

>>381540365
>>381548825
Chim is about Love, not love. It's a concept from Thelema that kirkbride butchered to make half-sense, it's the understanding that everyone has their purpose/existence in the world and embracing your own purpose/existence to the next level. It's some nonsensical crowleyan mumbo-jumbo, in other words that Kirkbride's whiskey-addled mind thought would be fun to rip off.

>decide to read up more about Muatra
>vivec apparently bit of molag bals dick and formed with it and his genitals muatra which he then uses to kill all his offspring he had with molag bal except the big piece of shit that tried to become a god himself and after it failed tried to destroy vivec city by colliding with it but vivec stoped it killed it and now holds the whole city ransom

How much cocaine do you need to come up with that?

>>381548978
according to himself, kirkbride wrote the 36 lessons while naked and drunk off his ass on jack daniels

>>381547904
>You don't have to be a Daedra or Aedra to be classed as a god.
Yes, but you have to be an Aedra to be classified as a god correctly.
He's not a god, and this is not some obscure piece of trivia, the MQ outright states that he's only a mortal tapping into a divine power, the way you defeat him is precisely severing his link to that divine artifact.
>Considering a lot of the plot, as well as the blight and Corprus revolves around the Mountain and ecosystem, yes it does.
No it doesn't? The blight is spread by Dagoth Ur, and Dagoth Ur resides in Red Mountain because he's using the Heart to build his Numidium ripoff. Red Mountain isn't nothing more than a location. If the Heart was in Sheogorad instead of the Red Mountain the plot itself wouldn't change at all.
>Everything has a base
Nice, so when something you like is accused of not being original you resort to "everything has a base", but when it's something you don't like you quickly resort to calling it a ripoff.
>Keening is the best dagger in the game, Wraithguard is arguably the best single piece of armour in the game. Sunder is the best hammer and single-handed weapon in the game, neither can be held without Wraithguard without dying immediately.
Irrelevant, plot-wise their relevance is as tools to tap the Heart power.
Using that same logic you could say the Ring is shit because all it does is turn people invisible.
> The rings, in that regard should represent the Tribunal, which is why they were attacked by Dagoth Ur, saved by Vivec, and lost Kagrenacs tools in the process. Hence losing more power while Dagoth Ur continued to gai
House Dagoth was allied with the dwemer in that battle, the Tribunal didn't even exist back then.
Why the fuck are you saying something is a ripoff when you know jackshit about it?

>>381549040
Wasn't he also locked in a broom closet or something?
My kind of worldbuilder to be honest

>>381548679
>Number of worshipers = god size
>American Gods comes to mind.
American Gods wasn't the first to do this, but it's one of the more memorable examples. D&D used it in some iterations. You've also got Terry Pratchett's Small Gods which was a comedy version of the same premise. The PC game Black & White turned the idea into an RTS (sorta) / physics sandbox. Plenty of other examples.

Quick search gave me a (as usual) overly comprehensive list courtesy of the way-too-much-time-on-our-hands tvtropes crowd:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodsNeedPrayerBadly

>>381549040
/ourguy/

>>381548978

>Sumerian, Greek, and Roman mythology.

It really isn't that hard, just have no regard for logic, realism, or probability.

>>381549130
>>381549215
it was a normal room but he also had a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and "all his summoned angels". You can only guess what the last one is.

>>381548679
>t. shit tastes

>>381537762

>Go into guy's house.
>You hurt all his friends and creations.
>Guy talks to you about his dreams and aspirations.
>Eventually decides you're kind of becoming a problem.

Jee, you don't say?

>>381548978
Just copypaste from ancient sources?

Honestly, the main thing when coming up with convincing mythology is to keep it rambling and incoherent. Just look at any RL example.

>>381549040
>according to himself, kirkbride wrote the 36 lessons while naked and drunk off his ass on jack daniels
Gotta admire the commitment. I'm lucky if I can send a full-length text message in that state.

>>381549154

>In Morrowind, this is the case for the Tribunal (a trio of Dunmeri Physical Gods) after the Nerevarine severs their ties to their divine power source (the Heart of Lorkhan). Unlike Dagoth Ur, who is destroyed by this process, the Tribunal are able to persist with a trace of their divinity in tact thanks to, as Vivec states, the faith of their followers.

Ha i knew it it always felt that way when i played Morrowind and Tribunal

>>381548849
>( ( ( B U S I N E S S S E N S E ) ) )

Even the sixth house has more legitimacy than Hlaalu!

>>381548317
You mean that ring that you can equip on any NPC in the game and nothing ever happens?
>believing daedra lies
lmao

>>381541891
>Outlander with Corpus
Outlander with Corpus, millenia old dwarven artifacts, potions of godhood+ 10

>>381549562
the tribunal is still alive and kicking in the future accodring to c0da whereas the three good daedra somehow die. Their physical manifestations are not gods but they still exist as gods. Sotha Sil is his own city, Vivec exists on a next level because of Chim and Almalexia is still somehow aroudn dont ask me why they never said why but shes still around that bitch.

>>381549784

What the fuck is c0da?

>>381549784
c0da?

>>381549784
>c0da
Please no.

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>>381549646
>believing daedra lies
Only the one.

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>>381549784
>c0da makes it canon guys!
NO

>>381549972
c0da is the fucking goodddd shittttt

>>381549784

>good daedra

I thought none of the daedra were considered to be good not even the onw who hates undead which does the most good overall

>>381549948
>The Sheogorath NPC belongs to a non-playable race made just so he can have a unique head with a beard.

>>381549124
>Yes, but you have to be an Aedra to be classified as a god correctly.
No you don't, the Aedra are on exactly the same level of power lore-wise as the Daedra, Dagoth Ur was under no threat from anything until the heart was destroyed, up until then, he is very clearly a God.
>No it doesn't? The blight is spread by Dagoth Ur, and Dagoth Ur resides in Red Mountain.
The Blight is spread through Red Mountains ashstorms, same with Corprus. He could not organise this shit in the fucking Bitter Coast or Sheogorad. Guess why the Heart is in Red Mountain, because as I said, it's a inhospitable, isolated place where it can't be accessed and destroyed without difficulty. Which is why they didn't plant it right in the middle of Balmora or something.
>Nice, so when something you like is accused of not being original you resort to "everything has a base"
When the "base" is something as simple as a master crafter, yes. Morrowind clearly took more than that from LotR. If that was the only element it took from LotR it might apply, but considering TES's history and continued lore, it obviously took from that rather than millennia old European folklore.
>Irrelevant, plot-wise their relevance is as tools to tap the Heart power. Using that same logic you could say the Ring is shit because all it does is turn people invisible.
" They have no power on their own". You said this, yet if they can destroy the heart or tap it's power, they clearly can, since Lorkhan was absolutely a god, and Dagoth Ur had taken it's power to the full extent. By that logic nothing in Morrowind has "power on it's own", even if they can one-shot everything, including the Tribunal.
>House Dagoth was allied with the dwemer in that battle, the Tribunal didn't even exist back then.
I didn't speak of a battle, you did. Don't project your tangents at me you dipshit.

>>381549040
>former writer
what the fuck todd

>>381537463
Tell me about Dagoth Ur, why does he wear that mask?

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>>381550125
The Good Daedra is the name the Dunmer give to Azura, Boethiah and Mephala.

>>381550049
>>381549996
>>381549972
>>381549914
>>381549871
>>381549865
pic related

>>381537463
>Come Come Come Come Come Come Come

wow, great dialogue

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>>381550125
People talked about the Good Daedra all the time in Morrowind, man.

>>381549865
>>381549871
c0da is the best thing to have happened to TES. I seriously suggest you go out and read it even if you don't know a single thing about TES, it'll make roughly the same amount of sense.

>>381550270
>>381550252

Shit really? I know they liked Azura and shit but i can't remember hearing about the Good daedra. Shieeet i guess i have to replay Morrowind again any mod recs?

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>>381550252

>>381537463
because making narration through dialog/text isn't the best thing to do in a video game so the devs focus more on narration through gameplay (but bad writing is a thing yeah)

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the writer's beef? I keep seeing all these edits and I don't get it

>>381550171
Former writer who's still friends with Todd and the others and still does some work for them (Commentaries to theMisterium Xarxes, The Song of Pelinal, The Two-headed Talos).

>>381548395
I know this is going to sound like some nostalgia goggles contrarian bullshit, but I would actually recommend playing the original just with the unofficial bugfixes and the external program that lets you adjust the field of view. I had a horrible experience starting out for the first time with extensive graphical mods. The game world simply wasn't designed to have that much fancy clutter, and it literally obscures everything that normally would be clearly visible in a way that makes sense. Modded Morrowind may look nice, but in my opinion, a first playthrough with no previous information suffers from it. Get to know the game first, mod it later. That's my sincere advice.

>>381550253
Come, come, come into my life

>>381550170
>the Aedra
They're below power-wise, if they're the gods of the world because they're the ones that made it.
Dagoth Ur is not a god, neither in power -he was making Akulhakhan because he couldn't do it himself- or by conception, since he had jack to do with the genesis of the world.
>The Blight is spread
And the only reason the Blight and Dagoth Ur exists is because of the Heart in the first place, if the Heart wasn't there the volcano would be useless.
>He could not organise this shit in the fucking Bitter Coast or Sheogorad.
Of course he could, what extends the blight is mostly the cliff racers.
>Guess why the Heart is in Red Mountain, because as I said, it's a inhospitable, isolated place where it can't be accessed and destroyed without difficulty.
Are you seriously implying that Dagoth Ur or someone found the Heart and moved it on the Red Mountain? Because if that's so you're so fucking ignorant about what you're arguing about it's hilarious.
>Morrowind clearly took more than that from LotR.
Morrowind take on that is far more original than that of LotR actually, for one, Kagrenac isn't a smith, but a tonal architect, which means he wasn't just building shit out of brass, he was shaping the mythopoeic forces of the world through engineering.
>You said this, yet if they can destroy the heart or tap it's power
They can do so because they're tools designed for it, the fuck kind of point you're trying to make?
They don't have the power to destroy the Heart, nothing can, they can only manipulate it to channel some of their energies, nothing more, nothing less.
>Lorkhan was absolutely a god
The main engineer of the world, but it's kinda debatable.
>and Dagoth Ur had taken it's power to the full extent
Dagoth Ur had taken jackshit in comparison to a full fledged et'Ada.
>I didn't speak of a battle
>the Tribunal, which is why they were attacked by Dagoth Ur, saved by Vivec, and lost Kagrenacs tools in the process.
Ok

>>381550751
i Played it in 04 but never finished it

>>381550594
there's no beef, it's a fan joke. Kirkbride left Bethesda (was fired? left?) around Morrowind but he's still real good friends with everyone there. His writings still influence the games and he occasionally also writes stuff for them freelance. The Colonel Sanders looking guy is Lawrence Schick, writer for ESO. ESO used to get a lot of flak early on because it was a Zenimax turd (and still is) and it had some lore changes that Kirkbride actually approved off. His wife also does some ESO content and he's still friends with everyone, but the fans make maymays about Kirkbride because he's honestly a huge fucking manchild and it sounds like he'd be making tantrums about it (even though he hasn't)

>>381541067
t. I only played Lord of the Oblivion and Smaugrim

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>>381550858
>wife
Kirkbride is married?

>>381551026
to fucking Lady Nerevar out of all people. She spends most of her time now doing shit for ESO and defending him on reddit.

>>381550253
It's anaphora. They don't write like that in twilight or Harry Potter, though, so I understand your ignorance.

>>381539747
Vivec didn't actually achieve CHIM though
He just convinced people he achieved CHIM so people would give him power

>>381551113
>Lady Nerevar
Who's dat?

>>381551113
>to fucking Lady Nerevar
LITERALLY who?

So are the 36 lessons of vivec more or less a confession on how the almsivi killed nerevar?

>>381546302
>You all jack off to kirkbride when he is the inventor of the ultimate self-insert mary sue.
I'm fairly certain he's trying to pull a grant morrison and create a hypersigil.

>>381551215
one of the admins of the Imperial Library, used to work on Tamriel Rebuilt, now does some writing for ESO. Looks like a generic pale redhead with glasses, the kind that only read the bible til she was 13 and then learned the joys of geocities satanism.

>>381550858
Who's c0da?

Is this game still worth playing? Never played it before but I've been getting into older RPGs lately, like new vegas or vtmb.

Asking cause it's 7.50 on steam for thr goty version right now.

Any mods to improve the graphics, or the combat, which I've heard is bad?

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>>381548849
Tsk. "lol fight me"

The Redoran are all what's best for the dunmer, and following all the shit that went down with the Oblivion Crisis, the Red Year and the Argonian Invasion they're now the leaders of dunmer society. Psijic endeavour here we come.

Obligatory meme picture

>>381547626
that's true for the entire series

>>381551425
Very much worth it. Combat is not bad, it's standard CRPG diceroll stuff, only it's in 1st/3rd person so people have the illusion of their hits doing damage.when they don't. I'd pirate it so you don't give bethesda money and pirated morrowind works perfectly with mods. A fuckton of mods so I'm afraid you'll have to take a look. Perfectly playable without mods.

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>>381540408
>Because Tamriel's society is regressing
>Laughting Sotha Sil.scroll

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>>381548978
ancient mythology and mysticism is one hell of a drug
>>381549040
this probably also helped

>>381551215
A tumblrette complaining how most people in Oblivion's main quest are guys.

>>381551568
didn't have quest markers or horse armor

>>381551425
I am a huge fan, but it looks way worse than NV or VtmB, so graphic shouldn't be a dealbreaker for you. There are also a lot more reading involved.

Otherwise it's an interesting open world experience in an unusual, non-medieval setting. So if you love discovrey, it is a game for you.

>>381551369
>the kind that only read the bible til she was 13 and then learned the joys of geocities satanism.
Sounds good.

>>381550812
>They're below power-wise, if they're the gods of the world because they're the ones that made it.
And the Aedra have no bearing over Oblivion, does that make the Daedra no powerful? Nirn is the Aedra's creation, they are equal in respects to their own realms. Also, Dagoth Ur, until the heart is destroyed, is invincible, he can not be killed and for all intents and purposes, the only thing stopping him from killing or converting the population is the power of other god-like people
>And the only reason the Blight and Dagoth Ur exists is because of the Heart in the first place, if the Heart wasn't there the volcano would be useless.
The volcano isn't supposed to have a use without it, it's a volcano, a natural structure. The Blight would be useless if Red Mountain had no ash storms to carry it, Red Mountain has done nothing but assist Dagoth Ur, much more so than any other posting for the heart would've.
>Of course he could, what extends the blight is mostly the cliff racers.
It's the ashstorms, Kagouti and Rats can also be blighted, doesn't mean they're anywhere near the problem that ashstorms are. If malaria was automatically inflicted on people by sandstorms or something then that'd be a bigger problem than Mosquitos
>Are you seriously implying that Dagoth Ur or someone found the Heart and moved it on the Red Mountain?
No, when Lorkhan was killed his heart, as I said, was placed somewhere were the gods thought no one would find it (Red Mountain). It was convenient for Dagoth Ur, it takes you 2 seconds to read up on this
>Kagrenac isn't a smith, but a tonal architect
So he's a smith, calling a rat a "skeever" doesn't mean it isn't a rat. Guess how original magic smithing is compared to normal smithing in terms of creating a universe or story? It isn't.

>>381551673
https://youtu.be/7Z6y-KlqZfo

she's a 5/10 if i've ever seen one

>>381551049
>chim chim charoo

Always gets me.

>>381551425
check tesgeneral dat cum for mods list or reddit

>>381551626
Oblivion's main quest was pure dogshit regardless

>>381550398
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/44747/?

This one.

>>381551368
>I'm fairly certain he's trying to pull a grant morrison and create a hypersigil.

Wait what?

I'm familiar with him but what is that all about?

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>>381551568
this is the face of someone who's planning something.

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>>381551660
Thanks m8's. Graphics aren't a deal breaker for me but if I could make them look better then why not right? I'll give it a try.

>>381551772
Thanks senpai

>>381551049
>dream machine
kek

>>381551760
https://youtu.be/9lyKxKn_WsE

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>>381551953
Fucking cliff racer at the end got me.

>>381551369
>Looks like a generic pale redhead with glasses, the kind that only read the bible til she was 13 and then learned the joys of geocities satanism.
Wife Material, in other words?

>>381551368
>trying to pull a grant morrison
One does not simply "pull a grant morrison". Although, looking at >>381550780 it seems more like he was trying to pull a hunter thompson. Huge mistake, either way. The human body was never designed for that.

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>>381544510
>sithis is added to inventory

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>>381551049
>poultry liar

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-kirkbride-26a6267

>>381550812
>>381551739
>They don't have the power to destroy the Heart, nothing can, they can only manipulate it to channel some of their energies, nothing more, nothing less.
The plot revolves around you stopping Dagoth Ur and destroying his source of power, this was Lorkhan's heart, you can't do this with conventional weaponry so you're tasked with obtaining Keening and Sunder after Wraithguard. If they couldn't destroy the heart there would be no need to do this, but they are the only weapons which can remove the hearts shielding
>The main engineer of the world, but it's kinda debatable.
Lorkhan is an Aldmeri Aedra, so a god. Spirit of Nirn, Missing God, whatever you want to call it. If he isn't then anything lesser than Sithis and Anui-El isn't a god.
>Dagoth Ur had taken jackshit in comparison to a full fledged et'Ada.
Because it's only his heart, not the god himself. The heart had essentially made him a god, which is why no one could stop him without being a myth themselves and accompanied by godly artifacts
>the Tribunal, which is why they were attacked by Dagoth Ur, saved by Vivec, and lost Kagrenacs tools in the process.
Yes, this had nothing to do with the Chimer and Dwemer, this happened long after.