Nice to see people keeping their political leanings out of video

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ok

>>381512991
Well? Have you learned not to fall for Tumblr material yet? This is, what, the fifth time you get swindled by a bunch of notorious tumblrinas acting completely alien on this board?

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>>381514371
well I pirated it

I'm only making the thread to help other people not make the mistake of buying a game that has a very strong and overt left leaning political stance.

It also has flaws outside of that too. Have some anime boobs

The single antifa faggot was literally portrayed as a coddled hipster, and a buzzkill, you stupid god damned nigger.
The entire point of that section was to showcase Bea going to a college town to hang out at a party full of spoiled hipster trust fund babbies to take a break from a life full of actual responsibilities. But she just couldn't relate.

>It's trash, I'm sorry guys.
It's okay anon, we all make shitty threads sometimes.

>>381512991

Communists aren't human

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>>381512991
I'll give you this much, the game sucks. The gameplay is boring and consists entirely of basic, slow platforming mixed in with the occasional minigame which is scripted to always go one way, the story is stupid and culminates in an ending which is overall not pleasing in the slightest, and overall the only fun part of the game was the Demontower minigame - which doesn't really affect the story in any major ways.

But the porn is god tier.

>>381514371
I played undertale a month ago and was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed it, so I thought "hey maybe all this stuff I classified as Tumblr garbage and ignored is actually good!" So I bought into the woods and 15 minutes into it I turned it off with no plans to turn it back on. And I like to think I'm pretty liberal, but holy shit the sense of entitlement and whining demonstrated by the main character made the game unplayable.

>>381516834
>game
Its basically a visual novel with minigames.
And Mae being a spoiled, whiny, entitled shit is a central part of her character that actually serves as fuel for conflict and character development. Which doesn't serve to make her any less fucking annoying for 9/10ths of the game, or make having to PLAY as the annoying bitch any less shitty, but at least the game is self aware.
I only stuck with it cause the music is nice and the town is comfy.

>>381512991
I liked it, but I'll also admit to being a massive cunt of a child in my late teens early 20s, who hung around with my massive cunt enabling friends doing similar things; making a grunge band with no intent of playing anywhere, breaking shit, etc. Then my dad died among other things and I was forced to grow up rather quick. Still had a lot of fun and never regret it though, still friends with some of them to this day. So I had quite a few things to relate with for just about all the characters. Also got a boner for all the late autumn colors. Ending was pretty shit though.

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>general consensus I hear from a lot of younger people is "If you can relate to the characters, you'll like this"
>90% of the cast are a bunch of whiny, unlikable, lazy, entitled babbies

>>381516834
I've played and reviewed 500 games

Undertale was my favorite game from 2015. I did not enjoy NitW, at all.

>>381519134
Most people can relate to the problems that they face (things you can't control, the failing economy, joblessness) but the stances they take (very liberal) are quite divisive. You'll enjoy it if you're a liberal commie faggot

>>381519239
>You'll enjoy it if you're a liberal commie faggot
Good thing I'm not and I find most of the cast unlikable.

THE MATRIX WAS A GOOD MOVIE

>>381516176
this desu

>Nice to see people keeping their political leanings out of video games.

What's the point of that? We wouldn't have games like (the original) Deus Ex or the Metal Gear Solid series if everyone did that

>>381519134
The fucking gay fox guy is the most obnoxious autists I've ever seen and I don't understand how anyone can relate so such an irritating character

>>381519940
But those games look at politics through a philosophical lense while this rubbish just goes ignores any sort of philosophical meaning or sense. It's just espousing political views without any deeper context.

>>381519940

I mean it is kind of obvious just from one glance that Deus Ex or MGS will have a more serious and nuanced approach to political issues compared to a cartoony talking animal game

>>381520257
So it does it badly, that's fine.

Not everyone's political views are great (a lot of people have half baked ideas) but to say people should keep them out of games is dumb

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>>381519940
There is a difference between
>Let's look at the current political climate through this philosophical lenses
and
>My world view is the correct one

>>381520760
Opinions m8

I always felt Kojima was a bit preachy, to be honest. And a lot of his ideas are stupid as fuck (he doesn't know how genes work)

That said, "people keeping their political leanings out of video games" is a bad idea that limits creativity

Why shouldn't games be political? Just like film video games should be able to achieve things greater than just entertainment value.

>>381520491
>cartoony talking animals
Animal Farm? The talking animals isn't why the game isn't as nuanced.

>>381520606
I mean just making shit like this which just pushes an obvious political agenda is pretty bad. I'd agree that people shouldn't keep politics out of games, but this shit could hardly be described as a work that wants to draw meaningful discussion. For what it's worth I'd prefer people keep this sort of rubbish out of any creative medium.

>>381512991
Why should someone not be allowed to put their personal politics into a video game they are making?

>>381520989
>>381520989
Why? Because you disagree with it?

That's fine. That's what discussion is for and putting these sorts of things in games helps opens up discussion and makes things interesting. Instead of saying why they disagree though people are quick to say "BAN THIS FILTH"

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>>381512991
>2) Stab fascists!
Your great/grandfather would have said the exact same thing at that age, assuming he wasn't a draft dodger like Trump.

>>381512991
But facists are for stabbing

I feel like if you thought you were supposed to side with the character's views you missed the point of the game

They're all intentionally really flawed and have flawed ideals. They're a bunch of dipshit young adults. The whole point is that you enjoy the story about dipshit young adults from an external viewpoint.

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>>381520904
>Opinions m8
No, saying that the world should work in such a narrow minded way is childish at best and tyrannical at worst. And I was talking about Deus Ex, Kojima is a well know hack that got away with his dribble since most of his audience where teens.
>"people keeping their political leanings out of video games" is a bad idea that limits creativity
In todays political climate that even your toaster has an opinion on politics I can safely say that I want less politics in my escapism .

There are many excellent games that have no political leaning. There are several other excellent games that do take a side, or at the very least examine political philosophies.

What makes it acceptable to discuss politics in a video game? What's the earliest example of it being done well? Is there a game older than deus ex that does it?

>>381512991
>tell SJWs to make their own games
>they do
>WTF STOP PUTTING YOUR POLITICS INTO A GAME YOU MADE

I think NitW is dogshit mind you, but the better solution would be to not buy the fucking game.

>>381521378
Meanings change, just like how your name used to not make your parents ashamed

>>381521286
I don't even disagree with it. Replace with game's politics with traditional right-wing values and I'd say it's equally as bad.

>Putting these sorts of things in games helps opens up disccusion

This is exactly what I said I don't like about it? It doesn't draw out political attention at all. Non-shitposters aren't criticisizing the politics themselves, they're criticisizing how the politics are presented. It's not presented in a way that draws meaningful discussion.

>>381521563
Then play non-political games. i don't think this game misadvertised itself.

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>>381512991

>>381520760
>My world view is the correct one
And where does NITW say that? In fact, the opposite is more likely to be true because Mae is portrayed as an unpitiable leeching shitbag thief.

You come off like someone who can't handle opposing viewpoints to be honest. If you can't handle this, go find a safe space

STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE!

>>381521569
Allright that's my bad for playing it and ignoring the warning signs, but I had no way to know for sure until I played it.

guess I should have asked /v/, but here I am making a thread to warn you about the game's content outright with quotes and PROOFS.

>>381521634
Political attention to the issues*

>>381521634
Just because 1 game does something badly doesn't mean we have to keep every game from ever discussing politics again

keep your politics out of games unless you can top this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKF0IYwhrjk&t

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>>381521569
this
I'm tired of this whiny SJW-/pol/ symbiosis.

>>381521286
>That's what discussion is for and putting these sorts of things in games helps opens up discussion and makes things interesting.
I don't want to have discussions about things that I can't change I want to play the video games in peace, if I want to talk about how the world suck, there is /pol/, /int/ and all those subreddits that pretend to understand

>>381521813
Are you actually reading my posts? I say that I think politics are fine in games, but it should actually try and foster discussion. MGS and Deus Ex do this, NitW does not.

>>381521885
Then don't play games like this

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>>381521942
>but it should actually try and foster discussion.
Deus Ex doesn't foster discussion, it fosters memes

>>381521942
Isn't NitW fostering the conversation that is this thread?

>>381516834
Undertale didn't shove a political message down your throat, but it's the exception, not the rule so far as these kinds of games are concerned

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>>381512991
>implying a game full of liberal ideology is a bad thing

Ok guys you can drop the act. It's not hip and contrarian to be a rightist anymore.

>>381521991
>>381521663
>This is dogshit
>Just pretend it's not there, why are you complaining about this, geez why are calling something you hate dogshit
This is a maymay animu web portal that discusses video games, so if some people don't like something they will say it.

>>381522182
undertale had social commentary though and a lot of it was pretty cringe especially if you're not a normie like Toby Fox who is all like "ANIME FANS ARE WEIRD LOL"

>americans take superficial hipster angst of teenage cartoon animals at face value
Simple things for simple people.

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>>381522087
No it's not. None of us are talking about whether or not mental illness is a serious issue or if gay people are people. We're talking about how stupid it is for a game to be centered around political views.

>>381522035

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>>381512991
1: The whole point of this game is that the main character is basically mentally challenged.
2: Never said that, they said "no fascists at this party" and it was some dumb college liberals you'd never meet IRL and even then that character is shown to be an asshole
3: Never said that, I think, and again the character is mentally ill you tard
4: ?
5: God is, I suppose, pretty assholish if you go by the bible, but Mae met some ancient 2spooky4u god
6: You're a 20 something retard and no one who said this is a successful person, and Bea had a legitimate reason to dislike her boss considering she did almost all the work why he, her father, sat around and got drunk
7: I don't understand the controversial nature of this statement

I do agree though, the story could have been better represented and told in a much better way. Overal OP I rate this bait thread a 6/10

>>381512991
you really don't understand what "keep politics out of video games" means if you agree with this post.

video games are a type of art. It's impossible to put yourself into a piece of art you're making without also putting parts of your upbringing, your beliefs, and as a result, your politics, in. These perspectives are what allow unique, fun experiences to come into being.
the problem comes when outside groups decide to interject on work they have no part in. To call a piece of art "problematic" and call for its erasure.
THAT is forcing politics into video games

>>381522087
The discussion is
>This games has shitty political views
>No it doesn't and if you think so you are a special snowflake
Amazing discussion

>>381521942
The hell are you talking about. Why should video games have to do this? Many great political stories are obviously meant to propagate an opinion, this doesn't make them flawed for it. Its obvious that something trying to push a specific viewpoint would give a definitive message.

>>381522295
>Americans made the game in the first place
Could your post be any more retarded?

>>381522394
I dunno, I'm not so thin skinned that every piece of media I consume has to 100% agree with my world view. I don't get butthurt for people having different opinions

The lizard is hot

>>381522510
This is the only good post in this thread

>>381522381
>ideo games are a type of art
And here comes the artfag, to find new and exciting ways to ruin everything

>>381512991
>7) From each according to their ability

You know I don't get it, I saw that saying on a political test once asking "do you agree with this", and it really seemed like I should click yes.

Isn't it basically saying you get what you work for? How is that communistic?

>>381522580
in what way are video games not art. You would have to have an incredibly narrow definition of art to think otherwise.

Generally, when you write things that have any sort of political leaning, you should approach it much like an unbiased reporter would; The cool part is that you're writing the story, so you can present as many angles as you like. Ideally the end goal is that the reader's mind is broadened to different ways of thinking about a conflict.

In the end, no matter what you do as a writer you're going to be drawn to things that relate to your own personal politics so there's that, but I do believe that as long as your personal politics are presented as the politics of a character or characters there's nothing wrong with that. Crafting the story like a fairy tale and hitting the reader over the head with a contrived moral is kid stuff; But it's not a stretch to believe a college dropout would think like this main character thinks.

The ending sounds like bullshit though, so there's that.

>>381522580
>I have no idea what subjectivity is but I know what art is
your opinion does not matter

>>381522412
Most great political stories have people discussing the politics in the stories and the context around it. The way something like 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 present their politics has people looking at what's within. This game does not do that. Basically what I'm saying is that shitty games should not exist.

>>381522724
>Generally, when you write things that have any sort of political leaning, you should approach it much like an unbiased reporter would; The cool part is that you're writing the story, so you can present as many angles as you like. Ideally the end goal is that the reader's mind is broadened to different ways of thinking about a conflict.


Snake should've had the option to fire the nukes in Metal Gear and in MGS4 deny that war has changed at all desu

Does anyone feel a vast emptiness every time they reply to something on 4chan. Shit is so pointless, bye faggots

>>381512991
I think its funny when people say they didn't say cringy shit like this when they were young.

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>>381522510

>>381522852
>tfw u want to be a game dev but you cant find the "make a good game" button in unity
fuck, i guess i'll just go to med school

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>>381522510
Bea is cute!

>>381522502
Thanks for proving my point, your only argument is that I cant hate the game because if I do i am a snowflake. Well I hate it, you like it and I think you have bad taste for it.

>>381522728
And your does, mr. artfag?

>>381519134
So did you relate to them?

>>381521835
Why is that chinese guy have black skin and an australian accent?

>>381523045
>tfw started off in a game dev program but then came to my senses and went to business

Feelsbadman desu

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>>381522182
>Undertale didn't shove a political message down your throat,


nigga your a fucking retarded dumb ass hypocritical fag if you think that.

I would keep going and point the obvious shit but you being such a fucking stupid retard who lets obvious shit fly over your head there would be no point since you'd be to fucking stupid to even understand obvious shit since again you have clearly shown your a god damn biased as all fag shit retard.

>>381520989
>not envisioning Animal Farm as grotesquely animated quadrupeds
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING WITH YOUR IMAGINATION?

>>381522715
Art has became a meaningless term, art games artistic, fuck yeah, but to call a game art is to like saying a game is a thing, and since things can be political so should games.

>>381514806
>don't buy this game, i don't agree with its beliefs
humanity has gone so far

>>381523148
Of course not.

>>381523290
>tfw your poor life choices will never lead you to get pegged by Mae in an abandoned building while her gay ass friend is stealing shit.

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I don't care about politics, but the overwhelmingly cynical tone of this game turned me off so fucking much. People love to bash Undertale, but at least that game had some sincerity to it. This ironic, self-loathing brand of "humor" is a cancerous blight on the world and it needs to fucking die.

Fuck video games. I'm getting too old for this shit.

>>381523420
>Art has became a meaningless term
the word for that in english is "pleonasm"

>>381523904
It's people trying too hard to be "ironic" if you hate yourself have a half-assed detachment to everything, it means you're smart, cool, and immune to criticism.

Bunch of passionless limp-dicked slack jawed faggots, I see it everywhere.

>>381512991
Blame Benson, he shoves his communist blue-pillings into every game dev he comes into contact with. Just go read a single page of his Twitter if you dare.

Holowka probably just wanted to tell a story about fears of the unknown that tomorrow may bring (and what those people will do in response) and simply chose the wrong artist to hire. His previous games had none of this nonsense.

>>381524072
I know I hate irony too. I'm completely sincere whenever I post here about my wife's son.

>>381519940
It's wrong if it's not a old game or leftist.

>>381524693
Consider suicide. Honestly.

>>381512991
Don't post threads about this trash game

>>381522470
How does that contradict anything? Maybe the game was made to piss off the political delicate little flowers in the dev's home country? Are you a delicate flower, anon?

>>381525285
I DIDN'T ENDURE THE GAME FOR NO REASON

I HAD TO WARN /V/

likewise when I enjoy a game I'm similar to make a thread praising it, even if you fucking faggots claim I'm a shill you shit bags.

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>>381512991
kek
This is what happens when the people who suckle at the teets of John Olliver, Jon Stuart Liebowitz, Stephen Colbert, and Trevor Noah, and forming their political "opinions" from their views alone, try and make video games. It fails.

Can't wait to see what the glorious, massively right winged children of Generation Z will create for us!

>>381522259
>This is dogshit
I thought your argument was that it was political and that you didn't like politics in the games you play. Are you saying that because something doesn't appeal to your interests that you need to criticize it and its existence? This is akin to autistic cat people telling dog people that cats suck and vice versa.

Don't be autistic anon. Just ignore the indie games that you clearly won't like

>>381523237
>>381522263
Undertale had a basic message about tolerance and pacifism. That's basically it. Maybe that shit is distasteful to you because you associate it with tumblr horseshit, but that's mostly just you being a militant fucktard that can't separate fiction from his own faggot culture war.

Meanwhile, NitW pretty much portrays literal Marxism in a good light several times. Totally different ballparks.

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>>381522510
this desu

>>381525789
So nothing then? I'm not exactly a big fan of modern day liberals, but it's not like conservatives have created anything of value in the last 20 or so years. Also it's pretty ironic considering that these "right winged" children pretty much parrot whatever they hear on /pol/ or what Alex Jones, PJW, or Milo say.

>>381520116
>Meet him for the first time
>"Wow this guy is really excited to see me, I guess he's my boyfriend or something"
>Play more of the game
>"Wow this literal hyperactive faggot is just obnoxious as fuck 24/7"

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>>381520116
Fuck you guys, Gregg is cute.

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>>381526487
The difference is that conservatives leave their politics out of the work place on principal. The left has weaponized gaming, it's being taught at any university that offers a "game dev" degree. Look into required classes. Why the fuck does a game dev need to take feminist ideology of the 21st century and a history of lgbtbbq rights in western countries?

Game development is getting much easier, and students in highschool and earlier are taking mandatory programming classes now. We're going to see some great indies that allow you to fight as Nazi scum, or play as a border guard and eliminate mexicans. Or play as a pirate and sink refugee ships before they reach the coastline.

>>381527160
I don't know what specific program you're talking about, but many colleges require those sorts of classes for basically all degrees. It's not game development specifically.

>>381527160
Those classes are easy as shit. You can BS them so easy.

General ed is not a problem. The hard classes are the ones required for your major

the whole thing was just setups with nothing, conclusions
>is there a ghost, no lol
>does the family lose the house, no lol
>do any of your friends move away? no lol
>dont worry the closest thing to an antag is probably dead we'll worry about it later
>credits

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>>381526861
Superior fox thing from same story in superior format.

>People hate NITW for constantly being brought up on /v/
>The people who hate NITW are the only ones still talking about it

>>381529490
He's obviously baiting to get the thread going you retard. Don't you know anything about how 4chan works?

Fucking newfags.

>>381529684
Shut up you idiot I only made the thread cuz I just beat the game. I'm off to a new video game next, once it's done downloading.

>>381512991
Prove to me without using facts Trump isn't a fascist also real communism has never been tried

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>>381528662
>Hah! Fuck you Clem!
Moderate chuckle

>>381530717
Trump IS a commie, you dickwad. Communism is all about forming a pseudo-monarchic totalitarian dictatorship with centralized economy by riling the bottom-class degenerates to fight a class war for you. This is exactly what Trump did and is doing.

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>>381533818
So this is the power of Antifa

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>>381533818

Trump is really more of a Juan Perón or Silvio Berlusconi.

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>>381519134
It's perfect for /v/!

Why are you all such sad people

>>381535330
No gf

>>381528659
If the game push forward to January of the following year we might've gotten answers to those points, they chose a strange place to end it.

>>381520930
Games that observe a clashing of political ideals without pushing the player into taking one side nor presenting any of the ideologies in a blatantly negative light (no matter how absolutely objectively bad some may be) is perfectly fine and there are many of them. Such a presentation is the kind of thing you could only have in something where you get to pick and choose the factions you roll with.

Sure enough, games like Grand Theft Auto and Elder Scrolls do well enough to not force your character into anything, and they either present every side as stupid with a few positives mostly coming from the individual rather than the ideology (everyone and everything in GTA being a caricature), or just make them very generic without a direct relation to real-world political views and picking a side is up to you (Stormcloak vs Imperial).

A game that "is political" comes with the implication that it is simply going to push the agenda of one perspective and call all the others dumb and evil and racist or some shit while completely misrepresenting them. Sure enough, many recent "political" games do just that, and it's usually pushing some cultural marxism bullshit.

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>>381521687
>t. /qa/dditor

>>381537159
>can't come up with a proper counter-argument so he half-assedly tries to exclude an categorize him for an ad hominem attack
You sure are kinda dumb and bad person.

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>>381537473
8

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>>381523904
ironic self loathing is those gaming youtubers making the same suicide jokes every video

nitw was pretty sincere all the way through when it came to mae's feelings

>>381537016
I think Skyrim is a bad example of how to make the player care, without alienation or apathy. The Stormcloaks are painted as a butch of racists (despite races being inherently different from one another and justification for being so) and the Imperials painted as the "man" that need to be taken down a notch. Not to mention the streamline depiction of Skyrim's culture gives you little reason to care about preserving it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlQwaNebuX0

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>>381538734
>forgot to add this

>>381512991

>in this thread: right wing cucks getting mad because an indie game doesn't cater to them

lmao go play call of warfare or some militaristic shit sorry ur a fascist

>>381512991
Yeah everything is 100% super serious good job you did it OP.

>>381520989
>Animal Farm?
Not a good example of political nuance brah

>>381523792
I dunno that kinda sounds like what you're doing right now.

>>381521569
>tell SJWs to make their own games
>they do

>now people have no choice but to like it
cool argument

>>381539608
If you ask for something it's a bit dumb to complain when you get it.

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>>381537818

It's funny.
Without capitalism they wouldn't be able to make this game. Not to start yet another "political debate" but hipsters need to start appreciating all the good shit they take for granted.

>>381540221
>Without capitalism they wouldn't be able to make this game
This is the dumbest defence of capitalism I've ever seen.

>>381540221
>You criticize society, yet you still partake in it! Curious. I'm very smart.

>>381540612
>>381540348
I can't wait for you to move out.

>>381540221

Yikes.

>>381540221
>Not to start yet another "political debate" but hipsters
christ