Can Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney even happen? Probably not.

Next game.
They need to get rid of the last obstacle in the way of endless Phoenix rehashing now that Apollo's gone.

I'll admit it, she's cute. But besides that what else is there?

>>381502145
I think she has the best story out of all the assistants and depending on how her growth as a lawyer is handled it could make for the most complex "genki assistant" character so far.
If they merge the Investigations series with the main series she'd be the best character to face against Sebastian/Yumihiko

>>381503106
>I think she has the best story out of all the assistants
But it's a carbon copy of Edgeworth's.

>>381501659
Already did. AA5 was basically her game. AA7 will probably be about her too, since Phoenix's and Apollo's story had been told.

>>381503497
Somewhat. While they have almost the same structure the characters involved and conclusion are pretty different, which is enough for me.

>>381501659
It can't happen. Phoenix will always be the protagonist. Even if Phoenix returned to be a NPC hobo, the game would be called Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Athena Cykes or something like that.

>>381501926
>Apollo's gone
He'll be back in the next game so they can finally wrap up that family business with Thalassa.

>>381503882
As long as Athena is the main focus i really don't care lmao
They lied about Phoenix being the protagonist anyway

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>>381501659
Athena vs Franziska when?

>>381504087
you know this will never happen

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>>381505309
Whatever you say.

>>381501659
I'm not a fan of Athena because she seems more endearing, I want her to do an Apollo Justice switch like in AA5 where he becomes more serious.

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>>381501659
She already had one of the best cases in the series all to herself, she doesn't need any more

>>381506480
That was the worst case in that game. No fatal flaws but nothing exceptional either. Absolutely mediocre.

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I just want Phoenix and Maya to settle down and ride off into the sunset together.

Is that so much to ask?

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>>381501659
I don't know if it will happen, but it shouldn't happen because Athena is a fucking awful character

GK3 plz

>>381506226
I don't want her to lose her endearing side. Maybe if she has a "serious mode" for court and strong opponents, that could be a nice development.

>>381506480
That case stunk. There was a few dropped threads and unexplained circumstances, the case felt really incomplete to me. I'm also not a fan of Disassociation Identity Disorder in stories, especially not mysteries. The entire game was really weak, the first AA I was actually disappointing with.

Even on the game half focused on her she's only handled one case in each game so never ever.

>>381501659
I just wish they changed her clothes, I hate orange and yellow and even her DLC suits are always that color.

>>381505147
I want to see Christmas Cake Franny and how desperate she is for Edgey's cock.

>>381508296
Highly doubt they will change it. The color fits too much with the three protagonists and primary colors dynamic.
Phoenix - Blue
Apollo - Red
Athena - Yellow

>>381506040
They literally shoved the end of the credits so people would stop asking

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>>381506480
>>381507171
The whole case was carried by Blackquill alone.

>gumshoe still hasn't come back
Why lord

>>381501659
AA7 will be the "fuck off Athena" game, just like AA6 was "fuck off Apollo".

Which I can't wait for. I hate that bitch.

>>381510410
I hate Athena too, but why would you want to wait 3+ years just for a shitty Athena game so she can fuck off, just so you can wait another 3+ years before we get an actually good Ace Attorney game

I guess it doesn't really matter either way, the main series has been a shit show since AA4, they should just do a reboot

>>381510916
SoJ was great retard

>>381510916
The first games are the worst desu.
The first had very amateurish writing and the second one had 2 bad cases and 1 kinda goodcase. The 3rd one had some of the most unsufferable characters in the franchise.
GK2 and SoJ master race

Athena sucks so hard

Next game will be a critical Athena game, they used 6-4 to bridge her character development to show she still has issues and is going through a different path than Nick and Apollo. If 7 is as good as 6 I will like it. I have no idea why people are so averse to the idea of an Athena game when the AAI2 team proved they can still write good cases like they did with SoJ.

Her banter with Blackquill is enough for me to want to keep seeing more of them.

>>381510320
Gumshoe will be back next game. They made overt references to him in 6 just like they did for Ema in 5.

>>381511061
It was definitely a massive step ahead of AA4 and AA5. It was good, but I wouldn't call it great

>>381511257
GK2 is the best game in the series, yes. SoJ does not come close

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>>381510916
>>381511061
SoJ is a miracle of the universe.

>>381511397
SoJ's high points are way higher than GK2's.

>>381511397
I'd say the only mainline games it falls short of are 1, 3, and AAI2. It's ahead of the mediocrity of 2 and AAI1, and miles ahead of the mediocrity of 5 and outright shittiness of 4.

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Reminder the 2-2 thread got fucking ruined because everyone went to a stream
the 1-4 thread is going to be a one time thing isnt it?

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>>381511595
The most bullyable witness.

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>>381511595
>>381511687
Strong disagree

Everything about GK2 was fantastic. Great cast, great overarching story, with not a single dud case, all of them were at worst good and all were relevant to the story

With SoJ, the characters were pretty good I felt, but not as strong as GK2, and the cases for the most part were really good, especially case 2 and 3, but not all of them were consistently as strong as GK2. Case 4 in particular was pretty shitty and only made salvageable by the Blackquill bantz. Case 5 wasn't bad, but the first half of it made it kind of underwhelming. Most of my issues with it coming with the writing, because a lot of the major plot points were literal copypastas of stuff that happened in the trilogy.

>>381511727
agree 100% on this, that is my exact rankings

GK2 > AA3 > AA1 > AA6 > AA2 >= AAI > AA5 > AA4

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>>381512768
>Everything about GK2 was fantastic
Yeah, but GK2 only had one good waifu, and she was only present for like half of a single case. SoJ's waifu was present for the whole game, which was a better choice.

>>381513210
>discussion about why a game is better than another
>but muh waifu

opinion discarded

and either way, Kay was an Athena-tier bad character, amnesia or not.

>>381512696
So how hard is Apollo gonna bully his new imouto now that he's living in Khura'in?

>>381513490
>Athena-tier bad character
So, pretty good?

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>>381513210
>>381513896
>Kay is the only good waifu in GK2
>when Franziska, Justine Courtney, and Katherine Hall exist

>Athena is a good character

do you eat shit too?

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>they didn't make this a bonus costume
M-maybe next game...

>>381501659
Ace Attorney games where Phoenix isn't the MC sell like shit, so it won't happen.

>>381513490
>Kay was an Athena-tier bad character
nigga, Amnesia Kay was the best thing to happen to GK. It's not comparable at all to Athena.

>>381514910
do people really like Amnesia Kay that much or is this a dank meme that I was unaware of

>>381515067
>doesn't talk about stealing every time she opens her mouth
Clearly an improvement.

>>381515443
being better than regular Kay doesn't take that much effort

And either way, there's a fine line between being better than regular Kay and being "the best thing to happen to GK"

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>>381513721
Very hard.

>>381512696
Don't bully armpit princess.

>>381502145
After all that talk of her being a wunderkind in DD, they made her a full-on chump in SoJ who doesn't have anyone's respect. Her arc is likely now about being honest with her disappointment in herself and getting some confidence. I can see AA7 opening with a flashback case with Phoenix meeting her and closing with a case Wright is incapacitated and she has to take over a case involving Thalassa's murder, bringing Apollo in for the climax.

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>>381508762
>Edgey's cock.
Nani? She wants that barbed head and you know it.

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>>381519656
>she never gave that card to Wright

>>381507640
>GK3 plz
With Blackquill as MC.

I want my exquisite weeb adventures.

Why do people dislike Athena so much?

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>>381501659
>tfw Athena's only good case was the one where Blackquill tookover

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>>381507186
>Pearl shipped the fuck out of Maya and Nick even though Maya's was only 17-18
>Maya is now like 28 years old and still a virgin
why god, why wont Nick bone her already?

>>381520383
>Wanting the literal worst prosecutor of the series
How can anyone develop such a terrible taste?

>>381521950
>worst prosecutor
thats not Godot, I mean holy shit I replayed TT recently and Godot is a fucking horrible prosecutor. He never even makes any arguments, he just quips about coffee and then throws it

>>381522102
l agree that Godot is shit but he still manages to be better than an edgy weeb. Really initialize my avocados.

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>>381521091
When writing the game, they had to make the Mood Matrix a surprise to the audience so they tried to build her up as a prodigy. But very soon after it was clear she was lacking in the "Good at Defending" category.

US Capcom marketing team will never call a game anything different from Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney - Subtitle again regardless of who the main character is, otherwise they would've called SoJ Apollo Justice. This doesn't matter in Japan since it'd be just called Gyakuten Saiban 7, with the text or the number being yellow at most.

>>381522291
l still cant differentiate Athena's personality from Kay Faraday's (besides Athenas pretentious use of foreign words)

Fuck Athena
Fuck Apollo
Fuck Blackquill

The time skip was a terrible mistake for the PW games.

>>381521831
nobody in the AA universe is allowed to get laid. You're only allowed to be in a relationship if you were so before the story began, and even then your spouse is likely to die to be accused of murder.

>>381522685
Honestly, I think AJ had the right idea. Go far forward enough in the future, and then knock Phoenix down a peg so the new character has some room to shine. Or, don't even have him in the game - maybe reference him, but make sure that he's not in the spotlight at all.

Unfortunately, it seems no game has thought that keeping the legendary Phoenix Wright around is a bad idea. Shu Takumi had the right idea of going back in time for his spin-off series, although I suspect the same issue will happen there once it ends.

>>381522949
the real issue that they can't move on, because unlike what the directors think, Phoenix's story is nowhere near over. Fans know this and want to see it develop.

For example, he's STILL single. Maya is over there with her ovaries shriveling away, and Phoenix still shows no romantic interest in absolutely anyone. I don't know how Capcom thinks humans function, but real people are interested in relationships (especially when they reach their fucking 30's).

>>381523171
I would be okay with Nick and Pearl now that Pearl is legal

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>>381523171
I just want them to bring her back, but it's probably way too late at this point.

>>381523171
>shipperfag
Phoenix's story as a growing attorney (what actually matters to the series' plot) ended in 3 and even his story as a mentor ended in 6 with Apollo's emancipation and Phoenix's ending monologue about passing things on to the next generation. Relationships aren't something relevant to spend screentime on in a mystery-courtroom procedural series, which is why they don't happen.

>>381523560
They don't need to spend time on it. they could just have him marry somebody offscreen between games. It doesn't even matter who, they could bring back Iris for all I care. However, him being a virgin loner all this time is simply immersion breaking.

>>381522291
>But very soon after it was clear she was lacking in the "Good at Defending" category.

So you be okay with that if she wasn't considered a "prodigy?"

I mean you can argue that's one of the things that separates her from Phoenix and Apollo. They're clearly doing something where they're preparing to make her truly step up on her own eventually

>>381523171
Phoenix is for Iris

>>381523559
>>381523738
oh hi. It's nice to meet the only two (2) Iris-fags in the whole world.

>>381523863
nice to meet you too!

>>381506480
That was a horrible case. No joke, might be my most disliked in the series.

>>381523171
>For example, he's STILL single.
I'm a fan and I really couldn't give a shit if Phoenix got it together with Maya or not. And as far as I know, only faggots who ship people really give a shit about that, the main draw of Phoenix is him as a lawyer. Phoenix's story (as a lawyer, at least) really hit it's peak at T&T, and that's where it should have ended. AJ had a good opening for a new lawyer to come through, but they fucked up by having Phoenix be Apollo's mentor and then have him go "that was my keikaku all along (TL Note: keikaku means plan)", one of the worst cases in the series, and a final case that didn't feel climactic at all. If Apollo should have had a mentor, it should have been someone else. Hell, even Kristoph would have been a good mentor, and if you kept to the same cases, it'd make the final one better. Create new characters that people care about, rather than bringing back what is nostalgia-bait for sales.

Ace Attorney has just gone in this direction where it's going to fall into obscurity because the development team can't put together a good story without falling back on someone else's work. Which is weird, because GK2 was pretty good.

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>>381524698
>Kristoph
Which reminds me, what the heck was up with him and pic related?

>>381524886
He just didn't know what his motive was :^)

It's never explained, it's never dwelled upon, and we never go back to any of the events in AJ, apart from the introduction of Trucy and Klavier's brief cameos, because the dev team realized that it was a mistake.

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Do you think Pearls will develop as much "spirituality" as her big cousin Mia?

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>>381527736
I don't think so.

>>381524196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjk5x54bsE

>>381510227
I have never heard of anyone calling sake rice wine before.

>>381527736
>>381528031
Pearl is fine just the way she is

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>>381527736
>>381528719
Mia was the only titty monster in the Fey family anyway.
At least in this timeline.

>>381513210
Except Kay is present in all the cases, and is still waifu material overall.

>athena game
please no, her smile is way too wide and looks creepy

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>>381503882
You know they only title the games like that outside Japan, right? and the devs don't give a shit about their audience outside of Japan

Also in AA5 screentime between Apollo and Phoenix was moreorless even until the DLC case, and AA6 had almost did a reverse AA4 scenario (except this time the initial player character actually did most of the work until they do a switcheroo and pretend that the secret true MC did all the work all along). AA5 was advertised as having multiple protagonists and AA6 was advertised as having joint protagonists, this complaint is dumb at this point because it's based entirely on a localization hangup.

>>381523560
Phoenix's story as a growing attorney 'ended' at 1. He was about as unuseable a character at the end of 3 as he was at the end of 1, all 3 did is cap of the arc of the Fey characters. By nature of what the story is (defense attorney in a shit legal system where all the odds are constantly stacked against them) there's no real issue in keeping him around as the MC though, same goes for the other MCs.

>>381529215
Anon is probably saying that he only likes moeblob amnesiac Kay.

To be fair she did feel like she was just sort of there "just because" in AAI2, yeah it was only a couple weeks after AAI1 but they could've atleast given her a more solid reason for hanging around Edgeworth & co since we know that she disappears by the Apollo/Athena games. Within the story itself it's only right at the end where she mentions that she ties into the whole "following your dad's footsteps" thing too. Personally I didn't mind since I like her and like Little Thief but she could've been handled better I think.

>>381524886
He actually believed his own bullshit.

>>381506480
Blackquill held her hand through the whole thing

>>381528526
What do you think rice wine vinegar is made from

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>>381529960
>since we know that she disappears by the Apollo/Athena games
That entire epilogue scene in GK3 with Edgeworth/Gumshoe/Kay going on about how they should be able to solve anything if they stick together is a fucking bummer when you know that 2/3rds of that trio have been retired from the series by that point.

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>>381501659
She deserves a proper game.

>>381530583
I never use vinegar so I've never heard of rice wine vinegar.

>>381530906
lrn2food

>>381501659

post yfw we get Maya Fey: Ace Attorney and Phoenix isn't in the game

I can't fucking wait for the next Ace Attorney game to be on PSVita instead of Nintendo's shitty consoles just like it happened with Monster Hunter.
It's clear Capcom has abandoned Nintendo for good.

>>381530583
sake, soju, mijiu, maybe mirin

>>381531019
What happens when she gets kidnapped though?

>>381531319
Genre shift into a room escape game like 999

>>381531019
But you need to be qualified to enter court, Phoenix took years to earn his badge. You act like any teenager off the street can be a lawyer.

>>381531484
Something like that would be cool actually. The beginning of I1-3 was sort of close to that (too bad the rest of that case was a complete slog though)

>>381531590
>Phoenix took years to earn his badge
It took him three, actually.

>>381531590

this is a game series where a teenager was literally a prosecutor

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Larry and Dick return when

>>381501659
>Can Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney even happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

>>381531907
Larry was in the dlc case of SoJ.

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>>381501659
How will /ourguy/ be redeemed next game? He's free for Ga'ran's control so he's guaranteed to be much more casual now.

>>381531019
>we'll never get a game where you play as young Fey teaching Wright
Why live

>>381532635
Wright learned how to be a lawyer in 1-1.

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>replaying AJ
>using the x-ray device on the lottery ticket in 4-4
>it's always been a losing one
>mfw actually got a winning ticket this time

You just get some different dialogue out of it, but it's still pretty surprising they put something so random in an otherwise straightforward game.

>>381532790
What was the dialogue?

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>>381532895
Trucy says she's a "big winner".
I did some research and it turns out there's actually three possible tickets.

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28 years old Maya just feels wrong. I don't want my fictional characters to grow up alongside me. At least she's still a genki womanchild.

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>>381529960

I dunno. I can easily buy Kay just sort of hanging around Mr Edgeworth for funsies. She is very much the cheery teen side kick who's happy just to be around her pals and won't leave till she gets Miles to smile...s

>>381534825
Still think she should've just been turned into his assistant on the bench in the mainline games

>>381529143
>Maya with big fat tiddies never ever

Is it possible to play through Dai Gyakuten Saiban using translated youtube videos or text translation alongside the game?

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>>381501659

SoJ's Case 4 is a precious being. Savor it, Turnabout Academy is still better But it's the timing that it comes at and the overall comfy vibe that makes it by far one of my favorite cases in the series

>>381537624
It's possible, but it's probably not one of the best ways to play it. Just going to take you a while, and you're going to have to go back and forwards between the game and the text translation.

>>381537624
possible, yes
but if you're not too impatient, the community is currently working on a translated version, similar to investigations 2, you can just wait for that

>>381538436

How would that even work?

There isn't even a proper 3DS emulator

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>>381538531
I can offer some sort of insight into this, as I've dabbled in editing the game.

The game contains all of the text (with commands etc.) in GMD files. These files must be decrypted with a tool (if you want the text), or edited directly (if you don't mind understanding jackshit, and just want to be able to edit the commands). You can then edit it without much reprecussions. So, the translation team just opens up the files after converting them, replaces the Japanese text with the English text, and goes on their merry way. Unfortunately, DGS is a fucking piece of shit, and if anything goes wrong, it soft-locks. As we don't have access to debugging tools, we can't really tell what's going on unless one does it the old-school way (which is, crawling over the previous changes and finding out what fucked it up). DD is much nicer in that regard - you can put in whole line breaks without the game crashing, whereas DGS will freak and soft-lock. Same thing happens if you attempt to access an animation that doesn't exist. The game also has specified lines per file, and you can't go over it without the game ignoring it.

The files can then be patched by using luma (which supports patching games with outside files), so you don't need to recompile the game every time you want to test something. Of course, the DGS team needs to do this for the final release (they're also using the DD font, so they'd need to do it either way for a singular package), but for testing purposes, just having luma patch it is fine.

Pic related is the first scene in the game, opened as a GMD in Notepad++. Note how you can't understand jackshit, that's because the text has been encrypted, I believe. However, if you don't care about the text, you can edit the commands without anything shitty happening, unless you fuck up.

>>381537720
6-4 annoyed me because although the banter was fun the case was too damn simplistic, it was tutorial case tier. Didn't feel like they even really tried though it had the potential to be cool.

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>>381534595
this desu
the closest i want to get to her growing up is Mia using her body.

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>>381534595
>>381541062
>tfw they didn't use this concept

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>>381522868
>only character who gets any action is a total loser
Really makes you think

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>>381541337
I wouldn't call Mia and Diego total losers

Although you're right, losers tend to have success either that or Desiree is a closet lesbian

>>381538436
>similar to investigations 2

I thought they went full autism and went for an as "accurate" as possible translation including the name?

>>381541337
He clearly murders women after he's done with them.

>>381519656
this. even takumi acknowledged it

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I like Athena, she has a fun personality and she's super cute. Fite me.

>>381543202
She seems like someone who could be cool but they just haven't gotten how to handle her down yet. Feels pretty disctinctive to play as compared to Phoenix or Apollo too. She should be a lot better if/when she moves past the rookie status that she has at the moment I think.

>>381543381
They need to stop treating her like she's a completely incompetent rookie.
I mean, it's nice that she isn't a Mary Sue and doesn't get special treatment just because she's a girl, but I want a case where she finally gets to BTFO Blackquill in court all by herself.

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>>381543614
She kind of did already, though: 5-3. 6-4 felt like a step back, she's clearly competent.

>>381543775
In 5-3 she still gets helped by Apollo in court and she also has a shutdown where everyone needs to cheer her up - including Blackquill - so even though it's certainly better than what happened in 6-4 it's not what I want to see.
I know that she's a good lawyer and she has out-of-the-box thinking skills that neither Phoenix nor Apollo have, this is why it's really a shame that she gets treated like a courtroom toddler in SoJ.

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>>381543775
This was actually a fun case, Prof Means definitely a fun and intimidating culprit.

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>>381544054
He was a lot of fun

>>381544004
Yeah, that's what I mean. She's still clearly a rookie but she has different ways of thinking from Phoenix and Apollo, so stick with that.

To be fair, 6-4's actual case plot kind of fucking sucked, so that didn't help.

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>>381510916
>reboot
>ever

I'm for a soft-reboot sometime down the line with a new protagonist ala Apollo justice if it was done to completion, but a full reboot is fucking cancer.

>>381524886
They explained the black locks in AA5 nigga.

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>>381510320
Try imagining gumshoe in 3-D and you'll realize why he hasnt come back

>>381510320
Can't bring everyone back each time. Guarantee he'll be back for AA7.

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Reminder Blackquil is the best prosecutor since Edgeworth and his banter with Athena would singlehandedly make an Athena-focused AA7 worth it.

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>>381544657
>when he parries Nahyuta's anal beads in 6-4

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>>381501659
I can't be the only one that sees a resemblance, right?

Name more comfy threads than Ace Attorney threads around launch.

Go on, I'll wait.

>>381545578
>>381545738
It's too late anon
This mistake will follow you until death

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>>381545731
>tfw we will never get a murder mystery video game with a story as good as Umineko
>tfw Umineko wasn't an Ace Attorney-style video game from the start

>>381545897
Umineko's story was so bad that it was good though

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>>381545897
>tfw no Ace Attorney game with the Red Truth

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>>381532327
He's gonna be accused of murder for sure

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>>381502145
>I'll admit it, she's cute.
She's not even high tier in this series

>>381546006
Red Truth is such a brilliant fucking idea. Was it done before Umineko?

>>381546006
AA6's Seances are the closet thing the series will get to it I think.

>>381502145
She was pretty fun in DD-3

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We need more Franny in this thread lads.

Give me a serious answer here, is any Ace Attorney past 4, any good? I played Ace Attorney Investigations and it was noticeably not as good wihtout the original director.

>>381546970
All games are worth playing, no exceptions

AAI is considered a weaker entry but AAI2 considered to be among the best in the series

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>>381546970
Yes.

AAI2 is fucking fantastic and one of the best games in the series.
AA5 is alright, has some good cases but suffers in the gameplay department and overall is a very middle-of-the-road entry.
AA6 is fucking great, right behind AA3 and AAI2 as one of the best in the series.

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>>381546970
Also I hope you're playing in release order faggot.

>>381547162
>>381547172
Ok, thanks.

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>tfw no DGS2

fuck man

>>381542517
Ron is literally the prettiest girl in the game.

>>381546970
Yamazaki is literally fine. Takumi wasn't all perfect either, AJ is a trainwreck.

>>381548249
Are DGS characters just as quirky? That girls looks way too normal.

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>Ace Attorney thread somehow devoid of trilogy and phoenixfags

Did I win the lottery?

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>>381549847
Of course

>>381549925
I think everyone else would win the lottery if you weren't here, either

>>381501659
Capcom might try it, and I would probably still buy/pirate it, but it would definitely be one of the weaker entries in the series. Athena's character arc was started and finished in DD unless they asspull more backstory out of nowhere like they did with Apollo in SoJ. Honestly, I would rather have more Apollo-centered cases in Khurain in the next AA. I think there's still plenty of untapped potential or comedy based on foreign weirdos and surely there must be other power hungry psychopaths gunning for politcal influence in Khurain after the queen gets dethroned.

Athena is only bearable enough now as a comedic relief assistant with the occasional Mood Matrix in court. Although Turnabout Story was a fun case, it was only because Simon vs. Nahyuta bantz hogs the spotlight the whole time.

>>381511595
I watched Rayfa dance every time in the hopes that I would glimpse her underwear. Pretty sure she just has a black void though.

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She seems like she'd be way above average height but she's actually short. How disappointing.

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>>381552362
>5'4"; 162 cm
That's not too bad, almost as tall as that manlet Apollo.

>>381553258
Apollo is still a growing man

>>381551379

I'd rather Khurain was left alone but Rayfa came to visit Japanifornia.

>>381553365
He's a fully grown adult, he just happens to look like an overgrown shota.

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>Make a VS crossover game
>Literally the entire story is about fellating the puzzle guy while Nick eats shit despite doing all the work

What did they mean by this?

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>>381554268
It was originally supposed to be more of a "versus" game but the two devs apparantly couldn't agree on anything.

The game is flawed as fuck but I still enjoyed it a fair bit personally, cases 2 & 3 in particular were great and the Layton games have top tier atmosphere which they bring into this game. It was the best Maya's been since AA1 in my opinion too.

>>381543614
>They need to stop treating her like she's a completely incompetent rookie.
Phoenix was literally handed every case til Godot appeared. Not even close compared to Athena

>>381555865
>Phoenix was literally handed every case til Godot appeared.
Not really. Mia popped up in a number of his cases and even then half the time it was just to yell at him to "think outside the box" or some shit.

>Not even close compared to Athena
She broke down against a Payne. Phoenix won against a Payne while suffering from amnesia.

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>>381536720
Prosecutors get the money, status and power
Defense Attorneys get the cute girl assistants

That's the trade-off here man, Edgeworth's not getting assistant Kay in the courtroom.

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>>381547172

Layton THAT low? Wow

>>381552362
they never make characters very tall lest Japs feel inferior

speaking of, is she supposed to be American or European in the Western version? And what is she in the Japanese version?

>>381559207
She studied in America in the Jap version and "Europe" in the Western version.

Similarly Franziska grew up in America in the Jap version and Germany in the Western version.

>>381558268
its an semi fun game that can be ruined by layton hogging the spotlight and a twist ending that makes the previous cases impossible.

it really depends on how much you like layon or layontwists.

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>>381559439
Yes, but there's actually a difference with Franziska (and Manfred): they made them German (i.e. foreign) in the localized version, but they're Japanese in the Japanese version. They only lived in America for a while.

>>381560037
I've always been confused about that. Why was Von Karma even in Japan when seemingly his family is back in his home country, instead of just being a lawyer in his own country? He was in Japan for seemingly his entire career too

>>381560295
You mean America, at least in the localized version? In the Japanese version, von Karma is just back in his original country, in the localized version he actually moved.

But yeah, it's weird. No idea why the different country thing is relevant, but in the AA universe people seem to hop around internationally constantly.

>>381508809
>primary colors
>yellow

American education

>>381561251
yellow is absolutely a primary colour, what are you trying to say?

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>>381561251

>>381561440
The primary colors are
Blue
Red
and Green

faggot

>>381562470
In what backwards country?

>>381562470
Primary colours are any colours that you can mix to form all others, which for light is those you mentioned but for paint is red, yellow, and blue. Check your printer, you won't find green ink.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_color
Both are correct you fags

But aren't street lights red green and yellow?
Checkmate RGBfags.

>>381563369
Some places use blue instead of green.

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>>381501659
>tfw AA7 will probably have Athena as the main character

Dropped so fucking hard, I've had enough of this series.

Got the 3DS trilogy and beat Ace Attorney last week and beat Justice for All last night. About to start Trials today and then move on to Apollo and Edgeworth for DS

>>381563837
>not dropping the series with dual destinies

Fucking pleb

>>381564878
>not dropping after the first game
Fucking casual

>>381564713
Nice. Be sure to play the rest in release order and get out of this thread before you get spoiled.

>>381563837
It probably won't, she's not popular enough in Japan.

Maybe they'll finally give Phoenix a wife and the peace he deserves now that they can sacrifice Apollo to the fujo audience in his place.

Anyone find it awkward how everyone ingame is trying to ship Apollo and Trucy even though they're siblings?

>>381564713
Phoenix dies in the last case.

>>381532739
That was his first case as lead
He assisted for three years before that.

>>381538531
>not owning a hacked 3DS

>>381501659
I miss the days where we'd control phoenix for every case baring some special, unique circumstances like when you control Edgeworth for part of a trial.

>>381565352
>that's the joke.png

>>381544439
what was it? I forgot.

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>tfw Capcom doesn't give a fuck about the main saga of AC because 6 sold like shit and DGS ended up being more popular ebcause of fujos.

>>381569183
DGS is the lowest selling AA spinoff to date though, and all the spinoffs sell lower than the mainline games
it's probably only getting a sequel at all due to Takumi having some level of sway

>>381569428
the merch sells much better than the main series that why I said fujobucks

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>>381569183
>>381569730
>all this fujoish stuff in the special edition
I see my lads at capcom know where the bucks at

>>381543775
>Tie me up Apollo!
>oh, maybe that's not your thing?
Juniper Woods was watching this scene

>>381554552
Also the characters were good, I liked Barnham

>>381571086
Apollo is gay anyway

>>381562470
uninstall photoshop

>>381571338
thought that the only gay character in DD was Ms. Blackquill

>>381571338
Not confirmed but a nice headcannon.

>>381571525

Adrian Andrews coming back when?

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>>381570417
>Literally nothing on Sherlock
As a Brit I'm Triggered

>>381547172
SoJ should be god tier. All cases were great and had something new to offer.

>>381571338
Nah nigga he's gonna marry the princess or his sister

>>381573324
Who iis going to marry Pearl?

>>381572008
it's just that he's surrounded with a harem of qts around him, barely reacts, and only gets flustered at klavier

>>381573532

Mister Nick.

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>>381573532
We already know what all the official pairings are for the trilogy main characters anon.

>>381574072
Is this a edit?

I don't remember there being rice balls there

>>381574072
I want Gumshoe x Francisca

>>381574072
>Maya and Larry
They're both disaster magnets, which one would die first?

>>381574946

Maya is accused of murdering Larry, found guilty, and receives the death penalty.

Meanwhile, in the adjacent courtroom, Larry is accused of murdering Maya, found guilty, and receives the death penalty.

>>381574946
i always thought DR could be summarized as "Larry kills maya after maya tried to kill larry and you see Larry eat a million baseballs until he dies"

>>381573235
>sherlock
Don't you mean Moriarty?

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>>381574209
Yeah, that's looks like the filthy weeb version

>>381551379
I mean, in Justice For All, the only real arc for Phoenix was really learning what being a lawyer is about, so I could see AA7 having an Athena arc where she becomes more competent overall.

Is phoenix wright literally unkillable?

The fucker has survived the most ridiculous shit

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>>381576932
Perfect

A true videogame art piece

>>381577191
I think it's more the fact he's crazy lucky

But then again maybe it's because he's a Phoenix and like he said "People don't die that easily if they still have something to live for"

>>381576932
>that maya toe

Fucking eww

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>>381576932
Why does Justice dono looks care with loli ?

Pearl and Rayfa are perfect for Justice dono

>>381578045
I mean cute* not care

guys when is next courtroom session? Phoenix cant keep getting away with it..

>>381578045
Would rather have Phoenix & Rayfa for more cases honestly, they have better banter. Likewise for Apollo & Trucy.

>>381577891
wow i thought /v/ was all footfags

>>381568465
Black Psyche-Locks represent a secret that an individual keeps subconsciously, without even being aware of it. Forceful attempts to remove them by presenting evidence can cause permanent emotional and spiritual damage. Wright has described black Psyche-Locks as dark, cold and full of despair. The two people Wright has met who manifested black Psyche-Locks presented two very different situations surrounding them.

In Kristoph Gavin's case, the sheer paranoia he showed in hiding his schemes from others caused him to ignore Wright's questioning entirely when asked about his motive for murdering Zak Gramarye. Even when Apollo Justice and Klavier Gavin later found out about Kristoph's spying activities, which had led to the murders of Gramarye and Drew Misham, Kristoph dismissed it all as "quite an entertaining piece of fiction" since they had no evidence to prove it.

>>381576932
Pearls is a bit too close to Phoenix's crotch, I find that a bit problematic, please fix it.

>>381576932
>Phoenix drinks PBR

wtf I want Apollo to lead the series now

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>>381579870
I think in Kristoph's case he was so prideful of the law that he'd rather have the law take him down and be pleased that it did it's job than be exposed as someone who simply murdered since he pride as a defense attorney was shattered.

I think he "broke" the moment was when they said there was jurists in charge of the case, common people who lack the knowledge and authority of the law being handed all of it; that is what truly broke him leaving him as a mess.

As someone who's studied law most of his life at a point in my life I could relate. Law is absolute, but only through learning it has plenty of contractions can you discover it's by all means a imperfect system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg1dPFOUEA

A brilliant villain though

>>381582361
>human-made system is imperfect
Duh, that's common sense

>>381579662
Footfags are miserable, they can get arouse by watching sandal ads

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>>381570417
>best boy in new merch stuff
Yeah he's gonna be back

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Just claiming the best milf here

>>381501659
Fuck that shit. When are we getting our Detective Gumshoe Investigations game instead?

>>381528526
for cookin its rice wine, for drinkin its sake

>>381501659
I want it for AA7. It really pissed me off that they did nothing with her in AA6, even if she did get one case that was pretty fun.

Fucking hell, would it have been terrible if the DLC case was an Athena one? It's not like they even got Edgeworth's character right anyway with him trying to end the trial at multiple points before Phoenix could make counterarguments.

Man, Spirit of Justice was so fucking good

I was specially surprised by Magical Turnabout, it was definitely godly tier, never saw that coming from the second case

All the cases were pretty good, except the first, which suffers from the typical mediocrity of first cases.
Third case was looking uninteresting until the twist came to light.
Fourth and athena's case, while fun as fuck and pretty good, has the worst case of "eat your hamburgers apollo" I've ever seen.
Last case, as usual, is the best. Well the first part wasn't really good as it was pretty much just an excuse to have Phoenix as the rival for once but the second part ranked pretty high and redeemed Apollo from his faggotry of the other games

I was surprised to see how good this entry was. Of course, not as good as Edgeworth investigations 2, but its pretty fucking high

>>381512768
this

GK2 is sublime. If I could add anything to your post it would be how all the characters, cases and events are connected and fit perfectly together in one huge case that is resolved in the end

I wouldn't diss SoJ though, I consider it a high point in the series as well, perhaps even second only to GK2

The "dark age of the law" bullshit they pull in dual destines bugs me. Japanifornia's court systems were always a shit hole. For fuck's sake Tigre made a fake attorney's badge out of cardboard and fooled the immortal judge.

>>381583686
Glad you enjoyed it, definitely one of the best games in the series.
>"has the worst case of "eat your hamburgers apollo" I've ever seen."
>implying that's not a good thing

>>381584902
true that, I wasn't complaining

AA1
>It was the Prosecutor!
>It was the Police Chief!
AA2
>It was the Defendant!
AA3
>It was the Prosecutor again!
AA4
>It was the Defense Attorney!
AA5
>It was the Detective!
AA6
>It was the Queen!

Where do they reasonably go from here?

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>>381584841
It's a really bad theme because the atmosphere of the game didn't suit it at all and they shove the phrase down your throat. AA5 doesn't do anything out of the ordinary to highlight the "Dark Age of the Law", prosecutors and the police have been corrupt since AA1 and the cases in AA5 certainly aren't darker.

AA4 had a significantly darker atmosphere that would suit the "Dark Age of the Law" better since it has the 7 year skip after Phoenix gets disbarred and it has more depressive/serious atmosphere in general. The game fucking starts off with your first introduction of Hobo Phoenix indicting your defense attorney mentor of murder. Meanwhile the worst thing AA5 ever does is have a "convict" (who's actually complete innocent) be the prosecutor. Phoenix gets his badge back, the cases are generally way more lighthearted than AA4, and the finale is literally using the power of friendship to put away arguably the goofiest big bad in the entire series. (pic related)

At least AA6 had a really good theme of succession.

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>>381585557
You know exactly where.

>>381585851
It would be way too obvious since they would have to replace the Judge to make it work.

Western Dai Gyakuten Saiban, when?

Just make it in London, for God's sake.

>>381585851
ENOUGH
DO NOT INDICT THE JUDGE

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>>381585851
Oh shit
DARK AGE

>>381585557
Assistant and the protagonist themselves.

>>381585957
The majority of the game takes place in London already.

>>381585946
>implying the Judge hasn't been going for the long con ever since AA1

>>381586047
So, there are no excuses for adapting and releasing it here.

The mainline sells great in the 3DS anyway.

>>381578496
Ironically Phoenix and Maya had absolutely the worst banter in the game. It made me realize that despite Athena sucking, she'e STILL a far superior assistant to Maya.

Maya sucks ass.

>>381585557
Don't forget, for AA6, the queen was also a judge.

Who's ready for Athena's plucky new shota assistant to end up as the mastermind in AA7?

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>that sherlock
totally not Moriarty guyz

>>381586217
Lately the supposed reason going around is they aren't bringing it due to legal issues with Holmes. Also it just seems like if they can't put Phoenix Wright in the title they're not even gonna bother.

>>381586342
I thought she was a prosecutor?

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>>381586342
What if athena herself was the mastermind?

>>381586342
She was a prosecutor,
but she could make rulings as queen.

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>>381585557
Preferably a reboot. New characters, new tone (I.E. fuck off with the supernatural/over emphasis on lawyer shit), and clean up the lawyer gameplay and get rid of the dumb psylock/bracelets/emotion gimmicks.

>Fix the art style and in game graphics
>Get rid of the Taiwanese-quality anime cutscenes
>Fuck off with the DLC episodes
>Stop reusing terrible mixes of old tracks
>Less red herrings, more engaging storylines
>Stop excusing the quality of the first episode by making it an "introduction". The only people playing these piles of shit are people nostalgic for when it was actually halfway decent, they don't need a 40 minute episode to tell them how to present shit

All in all it's not worth saving. More hits than misses at this point, and the sheer drop in quality makes the others retroactively scrutinized. Shit series.

>>381586342
You mean former Prosecutor/Minister of Justice.

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>>381586575
Was that necessary anon

>>381586620
She was formerly a prosecutor, but she held higher authority then the judge, and could hand down rulings.

>>381586756
i wanna play edgeworth investigations again i found those really fucking fun, especially the case where

you get to investigate that smuggling ring with the planes and shit that one was my fave

>>381586217
Capcom flat out treats the series like shit in the West, it's a miracle we even get mainline localized nowadays
>Turned the series into being digital-only in the West, severely hurting its exposure
>Spinoffs are outright not localized
>Whenever a new game comes over, there's barely any promotion and what's there is pretty shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6INNzOKfA

This guy is a complete fucking faggot, but he makes a few good points about how Capcom treats the series in the West especially when compared to how NIS treats Danganronpa (which was once a significantly smaller franchise than Ace Attorney ever was) in the West.

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Phoenix Wright:
>Presents forged evidence
>Loses attorney's badge for 7 years

Manfred Von Karma
>Presents forged evidence
>Gets a penalty

Defend this shit

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>>381586662
>Reboot
Fuck off

>>381586662
>Fix the art style and in game graphics
SoJ basically did that.
>Fuck off with the DLC episodes
Fuck yourself, DD's DLC was perfectly fine, although I'll admit SoJ's was lackluster.
>Less red herrings, more engaging storylines
What does this even mean?
>stop excusing the quality of the first episode by making it an "introduction".
But this hasn't been true since like, JFA. Every other first case afterwards has at least been of comparable or better quality compared to the rest of the game.

>>381547243
>Zero Escape, Ghost Trick & Hotel Dusk
Shouldn't Danganronpa be on there too? They're kind of similar to AA.

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>>381587121
>Look Mom, I'm projecting
The franchise wouldn't need to be rebooted if it hadn't dug such a deep, shit-filled hole for itself. Want me to be blatantly honest? It deserves to fuckin' die, but the fact that the name has the subtitle "Ace Attorney" thrown in it means it can just reintroduce a new attorney and just pretend the others don't exist.
Otherwise you'll just keep getting these increasingly retarded entries that dig up old character, introduce stupid overarching plots, and then slap the same exact dialogue and story structure on them.

>>381587076
>he still doesn't know the legal system is biased against defense attorneys

>>381587629
yeah i gotta admit, the more magic bullshit i find in these games the more i fucking hate them. i barely finished DD and i refuse to fucking play SoJ anymore. that and the really fucking long animation bullshit that fucking happens now oh my fuking god. i swear to god it feels like these animations are 5 seconds long each and happen every second fuckign sentence, like that must artificially make the game so much fucking longer

might actually replay the 3ds trilogy instead of those other bullshit AA games fuck em

Why the fuck there's no Grossberg:Ace Attorney? I mean, I'm really curious about this guys agency and stuff

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>>381536720

That'd be nice. His constant insistence to the otherwise till backed into a corner

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>>381587076
He's just that damn good.

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>>381587018
Capcom gives zero fucks about their western audience. I didn't even know spirit of justice was a thing until some anon told me it was released.

>>381586662
I've never seen so many shit opinions in one post

>Reboot
Game franchises with a consistent and continuous story across multiple entries are a rarity. No fucking reason to throw 15+ years of history and continuity away. I'm for a soft-reboot sometime down the line with a new protagonist ala Apollo justice if it was done to completion, but a full reboot is fucking retarded.

>fuck off with the supernatural
It's been there since the first game nigger.

>and clean up the lawyer gameplay and get rid of the dumb psylock/bracelets/emotion gimmicks.
Psyche-Locks and Apollo's Bracelet are used as non-linear story locks during investigations and give them significantly more gameplay depth than they would have otherwise. Them and Athena's gimmick give depth to the trials as well, no reason to remove them

>Fix the art style and in game graphics
Art style is fucking great. It's one of the best 2D->3D transitions I've seen, it kept the snappy animations of the original 2D games while still making them look great in 3D with good shaders

>Get rid of the Taiwanese-quality anime cutscenes
Agreed.

>Fuck off with the DLC episodes
They give us more content than the games would normally have otherwise. AA5's was bad since they cut it from the main game, but AA6's was fine and took place after the main story.

>Stop reusing terrible mixes of old tracks
The fuck are you on about? They've used remixed versions of the Objection themes for the lawyers since AA5, but all the other tracks are fucking new

>Less red herrings, more engaging storylines
Such as?

>Stop excusing the quality of the first episode by making it an "introduction". The only people playing these piles of shit are people nostalgic for when it was actually halfway decent, they don't need a 40 minute episode to tell them how to present shit

I partially agree, but AA6 let you skip the tutorial bullshit outright, the case itself was just weak. 4-1, I2-1, and 5-1 prove they know how to make good opening cases.

>>381585851
He could be so senile that he doesn't realize he committed murder and/or it was an accident that he didn't realize even happened

>>381550498
POTION SELLER!

>>381587629
>The franchise wouldn't need to be rebooted if it hadn't dug such a deep, shit-filled hole for itself.
You're acting like the new games are horrible, AAI2 and AA6 are some of the best games in the series.

>but the fact that the name has the subtitle "Ace Attorney" thrown in it means it can just reintroduce a new attorney and just pretend the others don't exist.
That's what DGS is and what AA4 was supposed to be. You can't just throw away 15+ years of continuity where one of the main reasons people play the games is for the fucking story and characters.

>Otherwise you'll just keep getting these increasingly retarded entries that dig up old character, introduce stupid overarching plots, and then slap the same exact dialogue and story structure on them.
Bringing back old characters that haven't been in the series in a decade and overarching plotlines are bad?

>>381583686
First case is redeemed by the culprit though.

>>381585851
They won't dare to do this. The Judge is unironically the best character in the series.

>>381588459
>continuous story across multiple entries
What exactly is continuous about AA? Each one has their own overarching narrative exist in their own space, aside from the characters who you apparently agree could be interchangeable. What in the sixth circle of hell Ace Attorney Extended Universe are you implying? The fucking dark age of the law crap? Europe existing?

>It's been there since the first game nigger.
It was shit then, it's shit now. I have no inherent problem with supernatural or magical shit, it's just always done really poorly and is so obviously a writer's tool for hack writers, who by the way have existed since the first game. Breaking news; AA is on the low end of visual novels.

>and give them significantly more gameplay depth than they would have otherwise
Psylocks are just the Court during the Investigation, their existence and abundance end up ruining both. They also ruin the characters by making them the fucking Avengers, instead of just... ace attorneys. You know, people who are good at their job. Instead they're all just Bruce Wayne, except Bruce Wayne was actually a somewhat competent detective.

>Art style is fucking great
I'm not a huge fan of it. Yeah, it's better than bargain bin crap like Bravely Default and Fire Emblem, but eh. It's not anything to rave about and is significantly lacking detail. They look like clay to be honest.

>They give us more content than the games would normally have otherwise
The only time I'd want more content is if a single AA game managed to be consistently good the entire way throughout, and they never do. The GBA games had the benefit of having the least offenses, while not having DLC. Now shit like DD and SoJ suck dick, AND have DLC, including fucking costumes of all shit. It's a fucking visual novel, the characters should be changing clothes depending on the context, not if I pay $5 for some generic anime shit costume.

>>381502145
Ginger girls are a fucking QT, Anon. You're telling me you wouldn't want a cute ginger gf for sex?

And hugging. And talking. And drinking. And laughing. And shopping. And vidya gaems. And series binging. And cooking together. Travelling together. Exploring together. Learning together. Leaving a mark on history together. Spending your final days on the planet together, content in each other's warm embrace, knowing it is not to last for much longer. Seeing her close her eyes for the very last time, weeping for the loss of the only person in your life who truly understood and accepted you, yet being happy that it ever happened.

>>381589105
Overarching plotlines aren't bad. Ace Attorney's overarching plotlines are bad.

>>381586829
Are you retarded? 3DS supports DS games.

>>381589895
>Psylocks are just the Court during the Investigation, their existence and abundance end up ruining both.
Go back and play the original AA, you'll realize how empty the Investigation sequences are without the mechanic.
>The only time I'd want more content is if a single AA game managed to be consistently good the entire way throughout, and they never do.
If you don't like the games, then why the fuck are you buying the DLC?

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NAME

3 TOP TIER CASES

3 cases that are utter shit

>>381587076
But it was Blaise who forged evidence and then penalized Manfred for that.
/ourguy/ was falsely accused and snapped on Greg only because of that. He even redeems himself by looking after Greg's son.

>>381554187
>tfw you're an overgrown shota just like apollo

At least some ladies are into that...

>>381590218
2-4, 3-2, I2-5

2-1, I-3, 6-4

>>381590010
(i had an R4 for my DS i never bought the originals)

>>381590369
Let me see

>>381590218
2-4, I2-5, 6-5.

2-1, 4-4, 5-1.

>>381590453
Are you retarded? Hacked 3DS supports flashcarts.

>>381590218
>top tier
1-4
2-4
6-5

>shit
2-1
2-3
4-3

>>381590010
and dont call me a retard u stupid fuckin cunt

>>381587076
Wasn't Von Karma's penalty for torturing Jeff Masters?

>>381521950
>worst prosecutor
That's not sad monk

>>381590547
>381590547
why the fuck would i hack my 3ds? so i can play what? rofl. ur so fuckin stupid cunt

uve helped me realise im literally better off just buying an original ds and selling my 3ds considering i dont like the shitty DD and SOJ games

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>>381545731

Some day...

>>381590218
>3 TOP TIER CASES
The grand turnabout (I2-5)
Farewell, My Turnabout (2-5)
Magical Turnabout (6-2)

>3 cases that are utter shit
Turnabout big top (2-3)
Turnabout sisters (1-2)
The lost turnabout (2-1)

>>381590651
No, because the detective in charge, Rip Lacer, took all of the blame.

>>381590687
>so i can play what?
ace attorney?

nevermind, just fuck off already


everyone, stop answering this guy

>>381590760
>Farewell, My Turnabout (2-5)

>>381590459
I dunno Anon, are you cute and do you live nearby?

>>381590913
my mistke