undertale was a shit game and ugly but you cannot prove it didn't

>>381499069
The story sucked
The bosses were pretty fun though

>>381499069
Okay gameplay, had a story equal to spec ops the line in how it told it.
LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO THE MONSTER PEOPLE OMGWTF YER DA REAL MONSTER!!!!!!
The story itself is alright

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>>381499069
everything was portrayed very simple so it fit its theme it wasnt that ugly, also i disagree with the game being shit. Most battles where pretty fun.

Also i'm high on cocaine, nobody asked for that but i wanna let you faggots know anyway.

>>381499069
Daily reminder that /v/ liked Undertale before it became popular

>>381499402
>LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO THE MONSTER PEOPLE OMGWTF YER DA REAL MONSTER!!!!!!
Yes I agree the genocide route was particularly garbage

The real best quality of Undertale is the porn

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Post yfw the first time you became blue.

The only good thing about undertale is the music.

>>381499402
But Spec Ops: The Line makes you do it by force, as it's literally the only way to make any progress.

Undertale emphasizes from the very start that you really don't have to kill a goddamn thing, and only guilttrips you if you actually started killing a good chunk of the monsters.

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>>381499618
>mfw

>>381499069
>muh power of friendship
die

>>381499069
The story was really bad. Characters were one dimensional, the morals were poorly handled, the writing is filled with plot holes, there are tons of inconsistencies that are never explained and things that are conveniently forgotten or immediately forgiven, etc.

The story is bad

But the real think you cannot prove is that it didn't have god-tier sound direction.

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>>381499618
mfw

>>381499706
Was mainly talking about the neutral route. where you play it like any other rpg and sans reveals Execution Points and shit, wasn't really effective speech when everyone still does damage to you.
I don't like most of the humor in the game, subjective but doesn't make it a better/worse game.

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Pic related did the same thing better and got 0.01% of the recognition for it

>>381500157
Care to elaborate?
Never heard of this.

>>381500412
Fucking pleb.
https://www.zchr.org/off.html

>>381500412
>>381500412
It's nothing like Undertale, it's about religious Armageddon. He's just baiting.

Also please play more videogames before using /v/

>>381499651
>>381499874
Sorry lads, the soundtrack wasn't my cup of tea. I get that effort was put into it, but it sounded more like a bandcamp album than a score made specifically for a game. Each track was unique, but didn't really fit the game all too well.

Not to mention the melodies were just all over the place. Very little consistency, which is the hallmark of a good soundtrack.

>>381500518
>played undertale and actively shills it
>thinks he deserves to post on /v/

Stones and glass houses

>>381500719
When did I say I like Undertale? I like some aspects of it, but it's not a very good game as well as a shitty story. I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone.

>>381500543
I'm not talking about the soundtrack, I'm talking about sound design. The entire crux of the game is on the sound design, every single aspect that people like about the game are often misattributed to something that isn't the sound design, but it always is.

>>381500719
covfefe houses

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One of the biggest problems with Undertale is how the levels are designed.
A lot of the areas are nothing more than glorified corridors and slight path diversions.
Just look at this map

>>381500518
>it's about religious Armageddon
Wow I did not get that vibe from it at all but I get where you're coming from. I always thought it was a huge metaphor for a child's fatal autoimmune disease. Think about it, the Batter is the immune system, Hugo is the child, the whole game world is his body, you flip the switch shortly after killing Hugo because it's symbolic of the fact that you've entirely taken over his body and it's just about ready to shut down.
>He's just baiting.
I'm not, there are several similarities.
>both heavily inspired by earthbound
>both have good music and a good story
>both guilt you for killing monsters (except in off you have to)
>both get way creepier when you kill bosses
>both have a protagonist with constantly closed eyes and a striped shirt

>>381499402
>LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO THE MONSTER PEOPLE OMGWTF YER DA REAL MONSTER!!!!!!
This.
>Monsters try to kill or rip the soul of the character
>"Oh! That's fine. It's your faul that you feel in the hole on that mountain."
>You fight back.
>"You're terrible, we hope you burn in hell."

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>>381499618
>MFW Bonetrousle Kicks in

>>381499403
I'm also high on coke dude

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>>381499069
>Earthbound ripoff
>shit "quirky" characters based of memes

>>381499486
Just like /v/ was shilled to death with a thread for each overwatch character all the time.

I fell into the hype during the first months, but afterward I had a moment of clarity to give the game a more fairheaded analysis. The problem is that it's painfully mediocre and relies on a few one trick ponies to keep it afloat. If I may exemplify:

>the gameplay is okay, I wouldn't say it's original, but it puts a decent twist on shmup-like bullet dodge mechanics, combined with RPG gameplay. Doesn't do either one that well though.
>the story thinks its so clever with the 4th wall narrative and all that crap about muh determination, but what it fails to take into account is thta ultimately it's a video game, and it should be fun first and foremost, yet every route is designed to make you bored if you want to actually have fun. It's more there for the narrative, which doesn't help a game too much. If you want a challenging fight, for example, you have to literally grind on enemies for hours on end, since Sans and Undyne are the only monsters that put up a fight.
>graphically it's okay. It's unique, but lazy in certain areas. I love 8 bit and 16 bit homages, but you gotta put polish in there or it's gonna look like crap. Frisk's sprite isn't even consistent or symmetrical half the time, like someone stretched it out a few pixels too much in MS paint
>I love the music, but after a while you start to notice alot of recycled tracks.

I would also mention that the game runs at 30 FPS for no reason, and as a result the game and its controls feel slow and sluggish.

>>381500904
Examples of said sound design that you think is mindblowing? The tracks themselves are 99% of the game, and what everyone considers to be god tier. Failing that, what are you praising? The sound the text makes when scrolling across the screen?

>>381501078
>both heavily inspired by earthbound
OFF doesn't have any similarity to earthbound whatsoever.

>both have good music
Comparing OFF to Undertale is like comparing Drakengard to Silent Hill. They're completely different fucking games no matter how many "connections" you can link together about them.

Both have god-tier music, but can you seriously tell me that Drakengard's OST is ANYTHING like Silent Hill's? Same with OFF and Undertale, completely different kind of soundtrack.

>good story
Undertale doesn't have a good story.

>both guilty you for killing monsters
What the fuck? OFF didn't do this at all, you were helping fulfill the Batter's goal and the consequences of that only really apply to the Batter himself, not you.

>both get way creepier when you kill bosses
OFF in general is "creepy," the "creepyness" factor doesn't change at all after killing a boss, it just has a different kind of creepy.

>both have a protagonist with constantly closed eyes and a striped shirt
This literally means nothing? What does that have to do with anything?

>>381501417
>earthbound ripoff
at least the "being fun and well realized" part is new

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>>381501498
I don't think the sound design is Mindblowing, it's no where near levels of Silent Hill 2 or Killer 7, it's just that the sound design is consistently what made every joke, every emotional aspect, every bit of gameplay entertaining and fun.

I don't need to give an example, if you played the game with the sound off you would be able to notice a complete 180 in quality. Not to mention you already brought up how every character makes a different sound for their text. Even so, I'll give you another example: Notice how in the Pacifist final boss, every single attack from the opponent feels powerful and weighted, despite being typical attacks. That's solely because of the sound effects of his attacks.

>>381501480
I'm not sure if the 30FPS has anything to do with gamemaker or not, but I hope for the sequel he improves everything, especially by not making it in gamemaker

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Best game ever.

Continued from >>381501078
>Wow I did not get that vibe from it at all but I get where you're coming from. I always thought it was a huge metaphor for a child's fatal autoimmune disease. Think about it, the Batter is the immune system, Hugo is the child, the whole game world is his body, you flip the switch shortly after killing Hugo because it's symbolic of the fact that you've entirely taken over his body and it's just about ready to shut down.
Elaborating on this:
>The Elsen are cells
>Hugo in-game is the hippocampus
>Zone 0 is the nervous and skeletal system
>The Judge is the cerebral cortex, he manifests the faculties of language and reason
>Valerie is the intestines, he died by trying to eat something too big for him and also he's the brother of the cerebral cortex much like the brain and the intestines both arise from the neural crest early in development
>Zone 1 is the circulatory system
>Dedan is the heart, he forcefully commands the production cycle to continue without end, like a heart beating to pump blood
>Zone 2 is the endocrine system
>Japhet is the hypothalamus, he dictates how the Elsen should feel at all times--at peace or afraid?
>Zone 3 is the digestive system
>Enoch is... something in there
>idk what The Room is but I think the Queen is the gonads because she supposedly was so concerned for "the birthday party that she forgot who it was for" which I take to mean she put too much energy into forming and growing the child and all his organs ("guardians") and didn't even notice the child she was making was genetically set up to die young

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>>381502079
That's literally a bunch of fucking bullshit you pulled out of your ass. There is zero evidence to suggest that any of what you state is true or even intended.

>>381499069
The story was okay.
The game itself is awful.
The fan base is even worse than the game.
But god damn were the Bosses fucking amazing.

best furbait game I've ever played, honest
getting the best ending felt really good in my soul

>>381501889
>I don't think the sound design is Mindblowing
>god-tier sound direction
Make up your mind? They're both over-exaggerations about how good it is. Taking issue with one and not the other shows you don't understand semantics very well.

>I don't need to give an example
Sigh. Don't even bother commenting in the first place if you're not willing to back up what you say. It suggests you're either a bad poe or in denial.

>every character makes a different sound for their text.
I wouldn't consider that "god-tier". Most games do that better by having different voice actors. Undertale's sound design in this regard is on par with Yooka-laylee. Repetitive.

>Notice how in the Pacifist final boss, every single attack from the opponent feels powerful and weighted, despite being typical attacks.
Wow. So like dragons from fucking Skyrim.

I think what we've both discovered here is that your standards are just really low.

>>381502978
>getting the best ending felt really good in my soul
Did you cry at the end of Angel Beats, too?

It's so crazy how people can be emotionally manipulated by the dumbest shit

>>381501209
The burn in hell dialog only happens if you not only kill everything that attacks you but go out of your way to genocide everything in an area (extremely unnecessary) and even one sacrifice saves you from that path

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Any video game story that relies on text boxes, info dumps and cutscenes is a shit video game story

if it was a good story, it would have been told through the world not through mouth pieces.

>>381502072
Fanart comics are not in-game canon.
You're trying to make up for how shit the actual interactions are with artist's renditions. People do the same shit with every game they gush over.

This thread is a fucking mess

>>381499069
> but you cannot prove it didn't have a god tier story
It didn't.

the pacing completely falls to shit after Snowville or whatever, it goes from being well spaced-out to compressed to shit, and all the characters after that are terrible, and the writing turns to utter shit.

>>381501078
I thought it was about euthanasia. Batter and Queen had a child, it's suffering, Batter wants to end it, Queen doesn't. So he kills his son and his wife so they won't suffer.

You can explain the zones with this too. A lot of them are about escapism (the bird who wanted to make its subjects happy, the sugar factory) but it eventually backfires or doesn't work. Batter is just a dad who's tried everything to make his son's life better and is just gonna snap.

>Any video game story that relies on text boxes, info dumps and cutscenes is a shit video game story

NOT EVERY GAME CAN BE JOURNEY ANON

>>381503265
That's just a preference when it comes to storytelling, anon.

>>381499069
>cannot prove

you cannot prove it was good either dumb ass. dumb thread

>>381503534
Its not. its capitalizing on the strengths of the medium. Your title is worse off if it uses a literary narrative as its story telling method

>I thought it was about euthanasia. Batter and Queen had a child, it's suffering, Batter wants to end it, Queen doesn't. So he kills his son and his wife so they won't suffer.

But the game explicitly states several times that Hugo made everything. The batter doesn't want to fucking strangle his kid because he doesn't want it, he wants to strangle his shit kid because he has to cleanse the entire world because he's the equivalent of Death with a baseball bat

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>>381503386
>He thinks Journey is the king of Ludonarrative
pleb

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>Literally TWO good fights in the genocide run

A genocide Asgore fight where he absorbs the human souls would have been good, TOBY.

my friend played it in front of me and he was at the lesbian love letter fetch quest and I literally raged and went full /pol/ in front of him.

>>381499069
It did not and it was not a shit game either. It was just decent.

>using a twin peaks knock off to try and form a counter argument.
>missing the point of what i was even saying and responding to.

Are you blind or just retarded?

>>381499069
Undyne makes me hard

What story? It has some dumb premise of little kid falling into a hole full of monsters but kid is also stronger than monsters hurf durf so enjoy the game nagging about the evils of killing things in a videogame.
Go fuck yourself.

>>381503759
It's Hugo's imagination world and his ways to cope, Batter wants to destroy it all because he wants to euthanize his child, i.e. flip the switch off.

Then again, the dev said that he wasn't going to admit what the real intention was so all we can do is speculate.

>>381503895
>tfw no Alphys in a mech suit fight

>>381499069

It's a decent game at best but yes, the writing is fanfic-tier. It probably stuck out like a shining beacon in the barren sea because of AAA garbage that was being shoved down our throats.

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>>381501209
>>381499402
Actually, this is something I thought Undertale did right. From what I remember in many situations you could kill the monster and still say it was justified, you just don't get the pacifist ending. People who say it wasn't would take issue no matter what the game did and are deliberately looking for any way to say it was hamfisted so they just dislike the premise.

The game makes several references to various different religious texts anon. All of the bosses are religious allegories.

>Vader Eloah - Father/God
>Enoch - LITERALLY FUCKING ENOCH
> Dedan - Descendant of Ramaah
> Japhet- The name of one of Noah's sons

Like. How the fuck did you not notice any of this

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>>381499618

>>381504623
>Enoch
>Undertale
what game are you even talking about...

>>381500157
OFF is fucking garbage

>>381503534
Go read a fucking picture book then

>>381505115
Gee, anon, what other game could possibly have been discussed in this entire fucking thread?

>>381504623
I realize that. What are you implying?

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>>381500984
This is one of the things that makes this game really grating on subsequent playthroughs. If you're talking raw game design, the True Lab is probably the best map considering it actually feels like a puzzle dungeon and not a straight line to the next area.

>>381505331
>go to a thread of game
>posts about another unrelated game without specifying which
how was I supposed to know you're talking about Homestuck........

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>make a game with a bunch of half-finished lore
>potential to tie everything up and indirectly put a stop to the horrifc amounts of undertale fan theories, AUs, etc
>even promised a comic which would be a good way to handle this
>nothing

why is toby so gay. i hate it when videogames reference or infer something interesting but then never acknowledge it again. there's so much shit he could make tons of cash from by just making a shitty comic about.
>Why can sans time travel/what the fuck is up with his eye/general sans origins shit
>Alphys' fucking around with determination
>some shit about flowey's time before frisk
>What happens after genocide/pacifist
>literally anything about gaster
He could make a shitty movie about Gaster and become a fucking billionaire within seconds.

>>381501078
>>381502079
>>381503364
The dev actually came forward at one point and answered questions about the plot, it was very thoroughly underwhelming. While I don't have any screencaps of the translation (try /igg) I do remember the jist of it.
It was basically nuclear armageddon so some folks decided to bunker down beneath the surface of the Earth and a couple decided to sacrifice their child for the sake of experimentation.They had hoped to transform the child into a Godlike being but didn't take into account what the trauma of it all would have done to his mind. The resulting bloodbath left the child alone and his subconscious shaped the world into the nonsense we perceive.It's pretty thoroughly fucking lame and honestly detracted from how much I enjoyed the game.

>>381505739
It's like those camwhores / models you see every now and then. They do the same boring shit over and over and people still come back, then eventually she does hardcore, or her nipples get shown and everyone saw what they wanted so they pack up and leave.

>>381499069
The characters themselves were a very enjoyable bunch but the story was middling at best

>>381506073
Huh. So there really wasn't a meaning.

Lame.

>>381504623
>Undyne - undine
>Asgore - egregore
>Papyrus - papyrus
>Toriel - taurus (the constellation)
>Metatton - Metatron
>Alphys - alpha (reference to "the alpha and omega", makes since Alphys created Metatton occupying the role of god)
>Asriel Dreemurr - real murder (anagram)
>Greater Dog - Greater God (anagram, another reference to the divine)
wtf I love Undertale now

>>381499069
quite the opposite actually
presentation was somewhat characteristic, but like the story ultimately unoriginal and more often than not predictable and boring

>>381505739
Almost a year and a half later with no official recognition, I am almost certain that Fox put Gaster and related unused elements in the game solely to fuck with people. Even if he did a real interview, online or not, if asked about it he'd probably pull a Cawthon Golden Freddy and say "who"?

>>381506698
People would have shit bricks either way

>>381505739
>Why can sans time travel/what the fuck is up with his eye/general sans origins shit
Ness
>Alphys' fucking around with determination
not sure how this is left open ended
>some shit about flowey's time before frisk
same
>What happens after genocide/pacifist
reset
>literally anything about gaster
he skeledad

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>>381506537
>Asriel Dreemurr - real murder (anagram)

reminder that asriel porn isn't pedophilia because he's a goat

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381507348 [No (You) for (you)]
>Ness

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>>381499618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gNcGrJUqeY

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>>381499618

>>381501480
I dunno, I actually had fun with the dodging bullets

>4 years later /v/ and tumblr still jerks their cocks into a dry hot crisp about this game

there was literally nothing good about the game. the only reason it became big is because tumblr had nothing to circlejerk about at its release

>>381509619
>2010 was 30 years ago

>>381501209
the reason sans acts like such a cunt is because he knows you can just redo everything and he's pissed that you just kill shit without trying to find a peaceful resolution. he's still a cunt for expecting this kind of shit but whatever

>not postinging the undying version
God tier boss theme

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>>381499618

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>post yfw you killed undyne on a neutral run

>>381501209
Game only acts like that if you kill people that are comically harmless or actively NOT trying to kill you

>>381499069
>shit game
>ugly
>god tier story
does not compute.

It's going to be a long long time till I play this overhyped nonsense.

>>381501209
If you have a gun and a stun gun and someone is coming at you with a knife and both have an equal chance of hitting which would you use? Both are technically self-defense, but you still chose to kill someone over just stopping them if you use the gun. It's the same type of situation.

>>381511831
>>381511831
>>381511831
The story is not god-tier, it's really bad.

For example, throughout the entire game, the characters, world, and entire lore revolves around how Humans are the absolute worst to monsters, and humans are also much, much stronger than monsters. Humans have killed monsters for straight up no reason, and several innocent monsters have died to the hands of humans. However, in the Pacifist route, Toriel criticizes the king of monsters that instead of killing 7 humans in order to break the barrier that allows them to leave the cave, he could have taken one human soul, and then came back with 6 humans to break the seal. Not only did this plan make zero sense whatsoever and was pulled out of her fucking ass, but everyone agreed with her and shunned the king for his actions despite the fact that her son was killed just for going outside with a fucking human.

Finally, when you destroy the barrier using the power of friendship, the monsters completely and easily assimilate into modern human society without any explanation why or how and you never even see any humans, you just see all the monsters in the world doing things in modern civilization.

It's really bad.

>>381512361
that's boring the way you're describing it, I can't get a handle on the story if you're just going to spam text at me. I don't even get the point of your rant.

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>>381512597
>Tell you the game's story is bad.
>Give an example of why the games story is extremely bad.
>"I don't get the point of your rant."

>>381512361
>for straight up no reason
literally incorrect, this is the perspective of extremely biased zealots, scrawled in a damp cave. Most monsters are literally not smart enough to realize how much harm they do to others, and if a monster got their hands on a human soul, they would become dangerous and powerful, which, combined with their what basically amounts to retardation, makes them dangerous.
>this plan make zero sense whatsoever
Also wrong, its consistent with what is earlier stated that one monster and one human soul is enough for 1 being to leave the barrier
>everyone agreed with her and shunned the king for his actions
Toriel brought up this idea with nobody, and everybody else seemed to support the King, except for her and the King himself.
>her son was killed just for going outside with a fucking human
Her son was killed because half of goatbro/chara was going there to kill humans, and the other half got cold feet

>>381511831
>bad graphics mean the story is bad
>game is shit but haven't I played it
hmmmmmm

>>381511831
The graphics are meant to emulate very old RPG's

Normally saying its shit on purpose doesn't stop it from still being shit, but Earthbound did it too.

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>>381513259
lol

>>381513379
I guess I don't really have a place to talk. My favorite game doesn't even have graphics, I still play text parser games on occasion.

>>381513379
>First area of the game is the worst and slowest part if the game
Fucking why?

>>381513648
Actually I have to agree with this, the early monsters and puzzles are the blandest part of the game

>>381513648
The fact that you have to redo what is essentially the tutorial on later playthroughs is the worst part

>>381513648
>>381513762
>>381513765
boohoo

>>381514238
How do you defend redoing the worst part of the game, baitmaster

>>381514356
it's part of the immersion
"worst" is subjective
maybe it's meant to be that way

>>381514531
>worst is subjective

Subjectively, It's totally fine for me to murder and torture you, which is why I'm going to do it.

>>381514708
that was one of an edgy analogy

>>381515495
>>381515495
It being edgy or not is subjective. In my opinion, it's the right thing to do.

>>381499069

I liked the story and the characters.

The gameplay was fresh and enjoyable. It's leagues above your typical "pick an attack and watch the animation" JRPG.

Artstyle was fine, and realistic given the game's resources. We have enough Kickstarter games who focused on doing better graphics (Shantae HGH, Yooka Laylee, and soon probably Bloodstained) and wound up with lackluster gameplay.

>>381515743
what you enjoy or not is subjective so why would you be asking for excuses when you know the best answer yourself

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>>381499618

>>381499069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCMJC1Ig6s

game was ok until the weeb nerf was introduced

Best thing was the music

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YOU CRIED LIKE A BITCH DON'T FUCKING LIE

>>381516405
the only time I cried was when you look in the mirror at the end of the game

>>381513648
Because it was the first area he created, and subsequently used for the demo. He had much more time and experience to do the rest.

>>381517143
Should have redone the first area, or just let you skip it, if I remember correctly the first area until toriel's house almost completely void of consequence, save for the ghost guy I think

I don't care what anyone says, dude up and made the game nearly by himself, got paid, and got to meet Shigesato Itoi.

fukken rools

Undertale is an alright game in my opinion, I wouldn't call it GOTY though. With that being said, the hivemind here is too harsh on this game. All the hate towards the fans is understandable, however.

battle against a true hero >>>>>>>>>>> megalovania

>>381517859
>I wouldn't call it GOTY though

Was there a single other good game that came out that year that was hamstrung by being open world?

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>>381501209
I still don't understand why Toby didn't just rip Monster Girl Quest completely off. You actually felt sympathetic towards the monster girls and Luka actually did think what he was doing was awful, but was a necessary evil to kill the Monster Lord who everyone thought (in universe) was a ruthless murderer. Fuck, it managed to give some of the characters actual personalities and motivations as to why they want to fight Luka unlike in Undertale (Like how Granberia always felt the need to get stronger to overcome Alma, which in turns loves to fight, but because of her status of being the succubus queen, she has to bottle it up).

>>381499069
Alphys made me lose most of the respect I had for the game.She's fucking torture.Hotland was cool,puzzles were fine even,kind of reminded me of Pokemon.But Alphys ruins that portion of the game,and every other time she shows up.I hate her dialogue and shit.
Inb4: muh fat weeb bi lizard waifu

>>381499069
Best thing about it was the music.

>>381521216
>Best thing about it was the music
Meh, that's debatable. Most were forgettable other than maybe 4 songs.

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>when a single retard can make a more enjoyable game than 90% of AAA games that come out today

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>>381499069
The game was interesting in that it explored different mechanics in combat and they throw them at you from out of no where the misdirection with Papyrus' blue attack is the first introduction to it. The genocide and pacifist endings were attempts to explore player choice e.g. trying to find the true/best ending in games and trying to see all the content even if it's a path you wouldn't normally play. The writing behind both paths was pretty bad though, classic example being the "big" reveal of what LV and EXP stood for. In pacifist, they reveal the backstory of Flowey in text dumps like 5 minutes before the final fight and they expect you to just change your opinion on him despite no proper character introduction or development, hoping a tragic backstory will be enough for the player.

At least the music was good

>>381503386
The story may not be bad but info dumps are a really lazy form of story telling. The monsters in the hallway telling you the story behind asriel don't have any in universe reason to do so. It's a lazy text dump. Its the same shit with dark souls and item descriptions and yet people eat that shit up

>>381499403
>>381501342
>high
>still just browsing 4chan
can't imagine what you're like normally.

>>381503910
I can't tell if this is false flagging or people are really this socially inept that they'd freak out in front of someone because there's a gay relationship in a game