Why does the Metroid series statistically sell worse than many

>>381480264
people dislike good games.
A game with good gameplay, a nice challenge and so on doesn't sell.
The game must be easy, because people don't like to pay money to get stuck and then having to activate their almonds in order to understand how to progress. They want everything and now.
Also, the movie-like experience. The QTEs.
These things sell. Metroid doesn't have any, and when it tried it failed because its own fanbase bashed it to death, stopping other people before they could even get near to it.

Honestly, I'd rather have a niche series that is still good, instead of one that is notorious and sucks.

Japan

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nintendo's main target audience is kids
kids don't like metroid

mario, pokemon, kirby, zelda, etc are colorful and have lots of nostalgia behind them to sell to a more general crowd

metroid is a consistent million seller franchise anyway, so it's not as unpopular as retards like to spout on here. at least it's not f zero

>>381480264
Because Metroid is more serious and mature then most Nintendo franchises mixed in with the fact that it's a 2D action adventure that focuses on open-ended exploration which a lot of people don't really have time to figure out and complete.

does nintendo even have other mature IPs?

>>381481896
I think they own eternal darkness not they do anything with it any way

>>381481896
Eternal Darkness and Geist.

It does fine in the west, but underperforms in Japan. Other M was an among other things an attempt to attract more players in Japan, but needless to say that didn't work out as well as Nintendo wanted. From what I've seen of that game's reception over there it's not too different from the reception in the west.

Really though, it's still in a far better position than Advance Wars, which is in the same boat despite the earlier games in the series being Japan-only. With so much focus on Fire Emblem and Code Name S.T.E.A.M. failing I don't think IS is going to do a whole lot else.

>>381480869
It's sad but you're absolutely right.

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>>381480869
>A game with good gameplay, a nice challenge and so on doesn't sell.
F

>>381481058
>kirby
metroid sells the same as kirby on average

>>381483593
kirby gets a ton of games made though

>>381482274
Intelligent Systems is dead once they realize that FE will never be able to carry them. Can't wait. They killed Paper Mario and AW for that weeb trash

>>381480869
Metroid hasn't been challenging since the original outside of Prime 2. That said it has always been bigger with Westerners.

>>381483681
>Weeb trash
What?

>>381483906
Awakening/Fates is degenerate filth or something

>>381484064
Uh huh

I want AW as much as the next person but come on son

>>381483681
What's really sad is that in the past they worked with R&D1 on Metroid 1-3, it's sad how far they've fallen.

>>381483906
>>381484530
>pretending that FE isn't lowest common denominator weebshit

lol

>>381483305
F

>>381481058
yeah then explain why zack and wiki didn't sell

It's a Sony franchise on a Nintendo console. It's much more popular on the Nintendo PlayStation timeline.

>>381486641
>It's a Sony franchise on a Nintendo console

What the hell are you talking about?

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>>381486852
He's memeing.

This thread is pure delusion. The answer is Metroid costs more to design/develop, and it's not easy to create new and interesting 'power-ups' that are then applied to the world, and it sells poorly.

>>381480869
>people dislike good games
What absolutely contrarian bullshit.

>>381481058
>nintendo's main target audience is kids
>kids don't like metroid
>metroid is a consistent million seller
What the fuck am I reading.

>>381481712
>Metroid is more serious and mature
What.

>>381485271
Marketing

>>381486997
>nintendo's main target audience is kids
>kids don't like metroid
>metroid is a consistent million seller

those are all true

>>381486997
>Metroid sells badly because it costs more to develop

What the fuck are you saying?

>>381486852
On another world line Nintendo made the PlayStation and Metroid is a system seller, also there is no Pokemon.

>>381486641
This is actually a pretty interesting answer, is Metroid more about the 'cinematic experience'? When people discuss Metroid they talk abou it being "Adult", "Mature", "Atmospheric" "open-ended" "not-colorful" (hardly ever mentioning gameplay), with the most common complaint of Other M's being the story.

Is Metroid a Sony franchise in disguise?

>>381486641
Metroid would sell more on a Xbox.

>>381487130
The high cost of development AND the low sales TOGETHER mean a low return of investment.

>>381487093
Metroid is not dark, mature or adult. It has floating neon-green jellyfish and a giant purple space dragon.

>>381487256
>Metroid is a system seller
If Symphony of the Night isn't I can't see why Metroid would.

>>381480264
female lead games dont sell in japan unless they are there for eye candy

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>>381480869
While you are right, you sound like a fedorafag. I tip to you, and all that shit.

>>381486997
You're a just a fag though.

>>381486852

nintendo comissioned sony to make them a cd console, phillips offered ninty a better deal so they told sony to fuck off.
sony proceded to use the r&d work done to make the playstation. phillips made nintendo the cd-i.
the rest is history.

>>381487739
Other M tried that and bombed.

>>381487556
The question was about why it sells badly, dingus.

>>381487657
It got the same love as OoT and more tie ins.

Japan doesn't care about it. They want their girls all submissive and weak.

Other M tried to fix it, but whoops! Japan still didn't care, and now America is pissed off too!

>>381487556
If dragons and jellyfish aren't mature then I guess BioWare is in some trouble.

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>>381487991

Not quite. Sony and Nintendo did collaborate on the Nintendo Playstation. It just never made it to past the prototype phase.

>>381487739
Metroid's "female lead" isn't really a part of the game. Other M is really the only game that focused on the "female" aspect of Samus.

>>381488109
>The question was about why it sells badly, dingus.
Right, and if a budget game sells 100k and makes it profit nobody would say it sold badly.

>>381488345
What BioWare games have Purple Space Dragon Pirate Captains and Neon-Green Space Jellyfish who get adopted by blonde women in blue skin-tight clothing as their baby?

>>381488239
>entire island made up of weaklings
>they are still very loyal fighters that will literally suicide for some dude in a robe
Japan is fuckin crazy dude.

>>381488541
>Metroid's "lead" isn't really a part of the game. Fusion/Other M are really the only games that focused on the "lead" aspect of Metroid.
FTFY

>>381480264
Not weebish enough for Nintendo's target audience, not Cawadooty-enough for the bigger Western market (although it sells much better there).

>>381488735
>Not weebish enough for Nintendo's target audience
>people who buy Zelda/Mario are weebs
What?

>>381488720
I haven't played fusion desu, but I do understand that it has more linear, narrative focus in comparison to the other games.

>>381488720
Not him but Fusion does it right.

>>381488828
If you haven't played Fusion why did you play Other M (a game that bridges Super and Fusion)

>>381488923
How the fuck was I supposed to know

>>381488864
I didn't say it "didn't do it right", I was saying only ONE game actually had Samus as the lead and Other M was a prequel to that game.

>>381488606
>"What BioWare games have Purple Space Dragon Pirate Captains and Neon-Green Space Jellyfish who get adopted by blonde women in blue skin-tight clothing as their baby?"
>nigger takes a one-liner seriously
Why are you so fucking niggered about that? You know what jokes are right? Jesus. It was less so about the dragons and jellyfish being neon colored and moreso about them being in BioWare games, quit being a reeing autismo. Seriously, relax before you fucking chimp on me, I don't have time for your attempt to challenge me to some kind of internet duel.

>>381489051
Going by Sakamoto's resent comments on Kotaku, I can see him going the Fusion route on Samus's characterization when he works on Metroid Dread.

>>381488816
>people keep ignoring the fact that Nintendo ahs other IPs besides Mario and Zelda
Lotta FE kids in this thread.

>>381489072
>relax before you fucking chimp on me
This is pretty ironic.

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>>381489290
>telling someone to fuck off with their kindergarten level internet fight is chimping

>>381480264
The series has gone to shit since Super Metroid, and idiots like >>381480869 are out of touch with reality.
Metroid 1 and 2 sold because they WERE challenging and didn't have any dumb bullshit.

Metroid 1 sold very well in the US, especially for its time. Japan has NEVER liked Metroid.
Metroid 2 also sold pretty well.
Super Metroid was met with a mediocre response and ended up in bargain bins very soon after release. It was unchallenging, environments were boring as fuck and navigation felt like a fucking chore.
Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission were shitshows that couldn't stop fucking talking at you and holding your hand.
Other M is the apex of all the dumb shit that was infesting Metroid since Super. Nonstop fucking chattering, cutscenes and effortless gameplay.
And now the cocksucker who's been ruining the series since Super is going to pull a Zero Mission on Metroid 2 with this Samus Returns remake. It's going to be Other M 2.5D**

People dislike bloated games, that's what the Metroid series coming out of Japan has become. They love pure games that don't pad shit with uninteresting content.
Metroid Prime was an adherence to form. It captured the tone of Metroid (the originals that appealed to the western audiences), added a lot of interesting stuff, was moderately difficult at times and kept out all of the bullshit. Scanning things and reading lore and all of that was optional, but interesting, it expanded the universe of Metroid**. The environments were pretty and wild, scenarios and conditions were changed up regularly.

*That's also an important difference. Metroid, Metroid II and Metroid Prime were the games that expanded the Metroid Universe.
Super, Fusion, Zero Mission, Other M didn't do shit for that, they just focused on developing Samus's "motherly instincts" and her never shutting the fuck up about Adam while throwing her into disposable locations like a generic space station that blows up at the end or places she's already been to before.

>>381480264
It's not as easy and clear-cut. Metroid is a series that requires exploration of the game. You don't just go place to place. It's not as accessible as other Nintendo games.

>>381489261
>Nintendo's target audience
>Nintendo easily sells ~3-5m to this audience
>they buy games like Mario and Zelda (as an example)
>brings up a Intelligent Systems game
Huh, but yes Animal Crossing/Pikmin etc all sell well too.

>>381489604
>as other Nintendo games
It's not as accessible as other games in general.

>>381489590
Sean Malstrom, is that you

>>381489590
>especially for its time
>ESPECIALLY
Don't you mean BECAUSE of its time? Like at the height of the Aliens series craze?

>>381489621
>>brings up a Intelligent Systems game
You're saying this as if Nin isn't fucking about with FE, doesn't make what I said any less valid. These rice niggers are all money since Iwata died.
Being a weeb faggot is the hot new thing right now and they're making a lot of weebshit at the moment, FE or not.

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>>381489590
>game comes out
>everyone hates it
>years later those same people dick ride it
Why does this happen with every fucking Nintendo game?

>>381489939
>You're saying this as if Nin isn't fucking about with FE
I've never seen anything that supports that idea.

>These rice niggers are all money
They're a company.

>Being a weeb faggot is the hot new thing right now
[Citation Needed]

>>381481058
I liked Metroid even when I was a kid
checkmate atheists

>>381486997
this guy knows what's up

>>381483681
IS has been working on FE for years before they started Baby's first RPG. Oops, I mean Paper Mario.

>>381480264
With all the poor uninformed opinions in this thread, I am surprised you anons claim you know anything about video games at all.

First of all, let's reiterate what the status of 2d metroids in Nippon is.
>Nips hate backtracking and sequence breaking
The best 2D metroids have loads of backtracking and sequence breaking. Nips enjoy linear games on rails, always going forward or grinding at the same spot, though they have nothing against multiple endings.
>Not nearly enough waifu fetishism
This should be obvious, but just a quick glance at the Nips' most popular video games gives this away immediately. They crave waifus like an amerifat craves burgers. Other M tickled their fancy slightly, but it still suffered from mistakes like
>non-ironic or non-absurdist dark atmosphere
Nips can't handle actual darkness in video games. It all needs to be cast in the light of absurdism or irony or even satire. Look at their manga, and anime, which permeate their video games as well, it's never actually real darkness unless it is pandering to the western market. The only exception to this is romance and edgy stereotypes, which are nearly non-existent in this series. Oh they can enjoy horror, and do remember that the metroid franchise stole most of its ideas from the Alien franchise, but lets be honest here, nothing about Metroid is scary to anyone but a kid, and kids in japan do not play games with protags who are not also kids.
>Nips hate gaijins
They absolutely hate westerners, with the exception of David Beckham. Anything the gaijins praise at large is garbage to their otaku culture, which is the only people who play video games in nippon any more, unless it is on slot machines (pachinko shit).
>bad in nippon, company sepukku
So the company commits sudoku and panders to the west. Do they know anything about the west? What do they have to go by? Stereotypes and commercial mainstream games. These are mostly unoriginal garbage leaning on tropes like open-world.

>>381490190
>I've never seen anything that supports that idea.
Nintendo is shitting out FE. Can't tell if bait or if you live under a rock.

>They're a company.
Very funny.

>[Citation Needed]
Weeababb detected.

>>381490535
Not him, are straight braindead.

I really hope Samus Returns sells well. I will be heartbroken if AM2Rfags cause the sales to tank.

>>381490404
>The best (insert noun)
Who uses opinions when they're trying to seem factual?

>>381491030
>implying that Nin and IS are not shitting out FE at an absurd rate due to it's increase in popularity
>implying people eat up weebshit nowadays
Take a chill pill, Naruto.

>>381480264

The best thing about it, the semi-permeable locks and sequence breaking, as well as the foreboding atmosphere and sense of invading an ecosystem, only truly apply in Super Metroid.

The rest of the series is a rather autistic Zelda dungeon, only without the puzzles. Just remembering what locks fit your newfound key and backtracking isn't very fun for most people. It doesn't help that the combat isn't very interesting most of the time, and the designers have seriously overreached with the game's frankly fucking boring lore.

The 3D games in particular are dull on a moment-to-moment basis. That is, the performing and navigation aren't fun like Mario games are, which you actually could say about Super Metroid.

>>381491149
Too be fair between the shitstorm AM2Rfags caused and the huge pirate community on the 3DS we can't expect it to sell really. We can only hope it doesn't bomb too much.

>>381491149
I have a feeling I'll sell well.

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>>381490404
>Nips can't handle actual darkness in vidya
Explain Twilight Princess then.

>>381491725
How much are you?

>>381491725
Of course your thicc ass sells well.

>>381492201
Over a million, plus if it sells close, I can see the next game coming to the Switch that way pirate faggots are forced to buy it or get a job. Also didn't Nintendo put a worldwide ban on pirated 3DSs?

>>381491725
*it'll

>>381492383
>over a million
You're the most expensive hooker I've ever seen on /v/. No way you're going to sell.

>>381491725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhOx-FpEAQk
Trailer's got almost 2 million views over the course of about a week. Based on that alone I expect it to sell decently, at the very least.

>>381492201
>>381492370
See>>381492473

They should stop releasing trash Metroid games if they want a bigger fanbase for them. Still not gonna beat Mario and Zelda, but just saying. Samus Returns looks good, but it's still a remake.

>>381492475
See>>381492473

>>381492502
YAY!

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>>381480264
Outside of 3 shit games that no one asked for and Zero Mission for some reason(really not sure why this was really solid) the series has sold much better than Fire Emblem and on par with the Kirby series. Its makes no sense for them to fucking can the series

>>381493098
Zero Mission was released around the DS hype, mixed with Metrois NES, already on its way separately on the GBA and Nintendo didn't really advertise it like they did Fusion. I'm surprised it did as well as it did.

>>381492502
>over 2 million non-unique views
>doesn't guarantee people won't just pirate it
Y-yay

>>381493098
that drop off from Prime to Prime 2 holy fuck

>>381493098
Fire Emblem is made by Intelligent Systems and Kirby is made by HAL.

>>381480264
Because niggers are already conspiring to pirate Samus Returns remake.

Hasn't been good since Super, GBA games were handholding pain in the ass garbage and Prime was console FPS bullshit.

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Metroid really hasn't grown that much over ~30 years

>>381480869
>A game with good gameplay, a nice challenge and so on doesn't sell.
>The game must be easy, because people don't like to pay money to get stuck and then having to activate their almonds in order to understand how to progress. They want everything and now.
>Also, the movie-like experience. The QTEs.
Explain why SF2 sold like hotcakes then? Metriod hasn't been on a lot of consoles. Handheld don't do well for long backtracking games because people need to be able to easily pause and play every few minutes. Maybe if there were more Metriod games on consoles, especially the iconic N64, people would recognize the series more.

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>>381494019
they sold better than every fire emblem game and nintendo gave Intelligent 12 games before giving them one more chance to make a game that sells well and they got one(Awakening). 12 fucking games of missed sales projections.

Now look at the Kirby series that nintendo loves to churn out. Most of its games sold just as well as the Metroid series, see:>>381493098

>>381483305
Not even an endorsement from the Irate Gamer could save this.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3w73uy

>>381492180
Didn't Twilight Princess sell like shit in Japan. That was definitely a Europe and America game.

>>381481896
Famicom detective club.

>>381480264
Of all Nintendo franchises, only Mario and Pokemon sell astronomical amounts. It's not fair to compare Metroid sales to those. Even Zelda sales are shitty compared with the big two.

>>381494706
Exactly I looked up the sales for SNES game sales of 1994 and sells were down, many games for the SNES (except for Mario, of course) sold around 1.4 million the same amount of sales Super Metroid sold, so Super Metroid had good sales at the time.

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>>381480264
because it's a shit series, that's why anon

FPS don't sell on Nintendo System.

>>381495219
*FPA

>>381495219
they do though >>381493098

Sci-fi doesn't sell well to normies because they have to think and they don't like that. Turn Metroid into some faggy capeshit with elves and fantasy elements or some shit, and low frequency sentimental dialouge and the mee-mees and they'll eat it up

>>381495979
>Metroid
>Requiring thought

>>381480264
It's for the same reason why games like Bloodborne don't sell that much.
The mainstream appeal simply isn't large enough. Doesn't matter too much if they master a niche.

>>381480869
>The game must be easy, because people don't like to pay money to get stuck and then having to activate their almonds in order to understand how to progress
Metroid games are SO EASY.

SO EASY.

They're some of the easiest games I own. Some Kirby games put up more of a fight than Super and ZM and those games were deliberately designed from the GROUND UP with the explicit intent of being easy.

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>People comparing Metroid to Kirby because of sales
>When not only does Kirby have it's own dev team, it sells way better in Japan than Metroid

>>381489590
>super
>unchallenging
>prime
>difficult

did you even play super

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>>381497154
Not him, but as someone who only played and beat SM less than a year ago the only bosses that gave me serious shit was the Ghost Squid guy or whatever the fuck he was called, and Ridley. I've unironically found Kirby bosses more threatening.

>>381493780
It's deserved though. Prime 2 is mediocre with serious flaws. God the ammo system blows.

I like limited ammo in other games like Deus Ex, but the differences between the light, dark, and gray third sound? guns don't really amount to anything. They only really amount to "Do I have the ammo? No? Guess this guy is going to take a while to kill."

Compare to Deus Ex where "I'm out of knockout darts and prod charges" means "time to experiment with pepper spray and the baton."

>>381496807
shut the fuck up borb we're talking about worldwide

>>381497510
And Kirby sells more in Japan proportionally. And Nintendo really only cares about Japanese sales.

>>381494331
Why do Metroid fans keep bringing up Fire Emblem?

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>>381497646
> Nintendo really only cares about Japanese sales

>>381497925
because FE fags did it first and our games sold better

>>381480264
Female. Dixie kong is the only other to lead a title.

Peach inly had a spinoff.

>>381498045
If cares about the West they wouldn't have put Metroid on the shelf and wouldn't have desperately tried to market Samus as a sexy girl for the Japanese.
You're honestly lucky they even gave us more Metroid games for us filthy gijins.

>>381487657
because unlike SotN metroid is not a piece of shit.

>>381495979
>Sci-fi doesn't sell well to normies

Explain Halo and Mass Effect.

>>381497154
Super is literally the easiest metroid game

It's only a little difficult if you fight bosses without knowing what item cancel is

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>>381480264
metroid is a game for non-Nintendo fans

Why I am not interested in the new metroid:

>samus and the enemies she fights look dated. Her suit is bland and the entire presentation of the game has not aged well, frankly the new game looks and plays like it belongs in the early 90s
>when I look at the trailer I see a side scrolling monotonous shooter with a melee counter that I assume will trivialize a lot of the challenge
>I just generally don't get it. this game just looks like a grind
>overall, I don't see why this is appealing if you didnt grow up with the games and feel nostalgic

Call me a faggot all you want but this is what I thought and felt when I watched the trailer and probably many others too. I was skeptical about Mario odyssey but e3 won me over after showing all of the things you could do. Metroid however just looks like they took a SNES game and made it 3D, where's the innovation?

I hear there's a first person metroid in the works for the switch and that sounds promising but we will see

>>381495979
>Sci-fi doesn't sell well to normies
You mean Japan?

>>381499129
Nobody wants innovation with the series in this condition.
Christ your fucking post shows diffidence for the one new feature the game has, and you can see how many people are adamant about sticking to sprites.
Everyone just ones a classic, solid game to get Metroid back on track.

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>>381499129
>Why does a remake of a game released in the late 80's look like a 90's game?
>This game added new things but it's not innovation because I don't like it!
>Games need to have innovation to be good!

I seriously hope this is bait

Metroid sells well in the West, but it's never done well in Japan. That's why they tried the anime storyline in the Other M; pure pandering to the nips that backfired harder than when they bombed Pearl Harbor.

>>381498045
>our games sold better
You wot?

Awakening - 1,790,000
Fates - 184,000

Last 2 Metroids:
Fusion - 1,600,000
Other M - <1,000,000
Last 2 Primes:
Prime 3 - 1,410,000
Federation Force - <1,000,000

>>381489590
>Metroid 2 also sold pretty well.
Not much better than fusion

>Super Metroid was met with a mediocre response and ended up in bargain bins very soon after release. It was unchallenging, environments were boring as fuck and navigation felt like a fucking chore.

You know what, yeah. Except for navigation. First metroid with a map and you don't have to really backtrack if you play the game in a circle like you are led to.

>Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission were shitshows that couldn't stop fucking talking at you and holding your hand.

Yet fusion is the 4th best selling metroid despite locking the player in and breast feeding the player with boring story, and every metroid below it except other M doesn't do that. Yet they performed worse.

>Other M is the apex of all the dumb shit that was infesting Metroid since Super. Nonstop fucking chattering, cutscenes and effortless gameplay.

You mean since fusion, except not. The chattering started there but fusion is actually pretty difficult and they added a hard mode for japan, but it still sold like piss there.

>Metroid Prime was an adherence to form. It captured the tone of Metroid (the originals that appealed to the western audiences), added a lot of interesting stuff, was moderately difficult at times and kept out all of the bullshit. Scanning things and reading lore and all of that was optional, but interesting, it expanded the universe of Metroid**. The environments were pretty and wild, scenarios and conditions were changed up regularly.

Metroid prime is great but it didn't follow and succeed in the way you present the narrative of good and bad metroid games. People bought it because they were looking for an FPS on the gamecube in the halo generation with good graphics, they got myst with a gun instead and like it anyway.

Just admit it's way more complicated than you present it. There's no clear pattern on why metroid games sell better than others, except when the games get really bad.

>>381500568
>counting 2 games in a 15 game series
>ignoring >>381493098

lmao

>>381492180
Is twilight princess dark? or are you a child?

>>381501067
>counting the LAST two games
>T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT! WHY DOESN'T OUR SERIES GET MORE GAMES?!
What

>>381494348
Holy shit, Irate gamer. Didn't remember this guy existed.

>>381501142
It's definitely darker than Metroid.

>>381490404
>The best 2D metroids have loads of backtracking and sequence breaking. Nips enjoy linear games on rails, always going forward or grinding at the same spot, though they have nothing against multiple endings.

Super sold more in japan than america and fusion bombed in japan

>>381501275
I guess, I guess Hey Arnold is darker than rugrats.

>>381483661
I love Kirby but the games are easy to make outside of the main entries. Metroid games tend to be harder to make. I can't think of a more crafted 2D Nintendo game than Super Metroid.

>>381499643
Honestly didn't know it was a remake, thought it was just a spiritual successor to the SNES game.

Innovation to me is more than adding one new combat counter and some new weapons. That's not enough to sell me on a game. If it's a remake though, that changes things as you wouldn't want to alter the original drastically.

>>381501169
>FE gets 12 games that sell like shit
>Nintendo gives them one last chance to make a game that sells
>Awakening does
>Metroid typically sells 1 million+
>make 3 games no one wanted and got negative criticism before release
>series gets canned

lol

Is it just me or is the Prime series kind of bland compared to the 2D games?

Combat and movement is way more fun in the sidescrollers

>>381495979
>Sci-fi doesn't sell well to normies

....

>>381502159
>Prime desperately wanted to be the new Call of Duty
>can't even get combat right

hahahahaha

>>381480264
Metroid is only on nintendo, and the people who enjoy games like it prefer to get other platforms.

p o s t r a n k i n g s

MP1 = MP2 > MF > MZM > M2/AM2R > MP3 > SM > MPH > M1

OM is untouchable trash, M1 is unfortunately too aged, is FF a good game now that the boycott is over? Is it worth a buy?

>When you actually look at the sales data and realize "japan hates metroid" is a fucking meme and japan really only hates prime and Other M

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=metroid

>>381489072
The irony in this post.

>>381502159
No, it's pretty bland, I love the 2D games but I can't get into Prime, I'm also a huge FPS Halo fan.

>>381502623
>VGChartz
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>381502623
Didn't japs actually prefer Prime over Other M?

>>381502623
>japan really only hates prime

Back when Federation Force came out, like the only people I was able to find online were Japanese players.

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>>381502623
Even if it was true (which is isn't) why did Metroid die out then? And why did they extensively try to pander to the Japanese demographic?

>>381502623
>vgchartz
Kek

>>381502623
will you fucking idiots ever stop using VGchartz?

jesus christ

>>381501704
>FE games outsell Metroid games
>faggot on /v/ does mental loops so that doesn't count
Ok

People don't like platforming or action. They just like the illusion of achieving something, but the moment you're required to do that something on your own the game becomes clunky, outdated or whatever else rationalization for their desire not to play a game.

TL;DR: People don't like playing games.

>>381503652
What's a better alternative?

>>381503784
FE games literally did not sell as well as metroid until fucking Awakening

>>381503817
NPD, Media Create etc

>>381503214
>Even if it was true (which is isn't)

Hurr

Even if it's not accurate, being in the ballpark tells a clear story, which is...

>And why did they extensively try to pander to the Japanese demographic?

...That they didn't pander to the japanese demographic. Features in metroid games that we think are "japanese" made the games sell worse there. The best selling metroids in japan are metroid, super metroid, and metroid II.

The real pandering is to the US audience with every prime game that does good in america but rock bottom terrible in japan.

>>381503871
The last two Emblem games outold the last two Metroid games, and the last two Prime games.

I'm sorry this upsets you

>>381503817
NPD, god dammit, NPD. Also this>>381503925

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>>381503981
>Zero Suit Samus
>Not meant to pander to the Japanese demographic

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on in this thread.

>>381503817
Media Create/Famitsu for Japanese trackers.


NPD(the only official way to get US numbers and its monthly)

Waiting for companies to release sales info

>>381504028
Pretty sure his point was they let FE live on for 12 games depsite failing to meet sales projections between FE4 through FE12. Thats 8 games that failed to live up to projections yet they let the series live(probably because asset reuse and its cheap as fuck to make). The last two games Metroid fans got were ones they literally did not want (Other M and FedForce) and the last two FE games were heavily promoted/consisted of them selling 1 game in 3 packages.

>>381504356
>Pretty sure his point was they let FE live on for 12 games depsite failing
Then what the fuck does that have to do with Metroid consistently selling badly?

>>381504553
Metroid wasn't though>>381493098

>>381504607
>2 games over 2m
>one of these AND the best selling Metroid was in 1986 (over 30 years ago)
>this is consistently selling well
Jesus Kirby and Yoshi must be the equivalent to Wii Sports to Metroid fans.

>>381504921
>1+ million sales for a niche series isn't selling well

(You)

>>381505084
>Metroid is a Nintendo flagship series!
>Metroid is a NICHE series!
lol

>>381505156
show me where i said it was a flagship series

Would Metroid sell well on other consoles?

VGChartz is the reason I can't wait for Halo General /hg/ to finally end on /vg/. They were wondering why Halo brought back the Master Chief and continued his story in Halo 4 and I explained to them because ODST and Reach caused a massive sales decline in the series selling worse than the first Halo game. When I showed them the NPD numbers and charts to back it up, they still believed in the fake VGChartz numbers, I even posted up the Metroid Other M bombed image to show them that VGChartz is very unreliable but they still stated I was wrong. I gave up on them. Now I see why /v/ hates /vg/.

>>381505228
You're right. Metroid is a Niche D-grade series that is lucky Nintendo loves it enough to have more than 1 game. You should thank Nintendo for taking such risks with this Niche and unliked, unsellable genre.

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The reason Metroid doesn't get too much love is because it's too videogamey, as >>381480869 said. It doesn't hold your hand like Kirby or Donkey Kong or mario would, it doesn't have the cinematic appeal of Zelda or Fire emblem, and it lacks the braindead slut waifus of third party games like Bayonetta or Wonderful 101 (or as I like to call them, platinum grade cinematic experiences).

That's why they've tried making her games worse, to appeal to the normie audiences. More cinematics ala Other M, more braindead online multiplayer ala Hunters and Fed Force. None of this worked because it wasn't what made Metroid good, and I fear that Nintendo still doesn't get it. The remake looks suspicious in quality, and we know nothing of Prime 4 except the equivalent of someone's dad working at Nintendo.

Heck, your average Zelda/Bayonetta fan talks about how Samus is "sjw shit" all the time, because she doesn't undress and cry enough and have feelings and talk constantly. You'll also see these people praising Metroid: Other M since it fixes the "problems" they have with the older games.

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I still go by the idea that the true reason Metroid got put onto the shelf was simply because no one wanted to develop any games. The only 2D team is gone, and Retro didn't feel like it and wanted to make DK games.

Note how the new games are both being made by entirely different teams.

Another good example is Kid Icarus and Punch-Out! Those games were making zilch for over 15 years and yet Punch Out got a game on the Wii and KI got a game on the 3Ds despite there being very little demand for it. And you know why that happened? Because Retro felt like making a Punch-Out game, and Sakurai felt like making a KI game, and now that neither of them want to develop for it, those series are on hiatus once again.

It also explains why games that sell well as Metroid get games while Samus doesn't. They have dev teams that make those games.

Now, I won't deny that sales and outcry might influence a developer into making or canning a series, but for Nintendo, I don't see it as the prime reason why some of their series get neglected.

>>381505269
Yes. Sony fans love cinematic experiences and a Metroid game directed by David Cage would go unbelievably well there.

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>>381505526
The Prime team thing is more the fact most devs from Retro who worked on Prime 1/2 left.

>>381505417
This is such lazy bait.

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>>381505629

>This is such lazy bait.

>>381505417
Metroid isn't that complex ACfag.

>>381505534
>David Cage
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>381505629
That doesn't necessary disapprove my point. Hell, the dev them that left might have been some of the only people that wanted to make Metroid games.

>>381505791
X to BABY!

>>381505768
It stars a female protag that doesn't strip down to her underwear every 5 seconds to fellate a banana. It's one of the most complex nintendo IPs on that merit alone. Shoot, this is why even fan games like AM2R have decimated nintendo's entire library, including Breath of the Wild.

>>381505273
>I even posted up the Metroid Other M bombed image to show them that VGChartz is very unreliable but they still stated I was wrong.

You still got it?

>>381505629
>these devs mostly left for Bluepoint, Armature and Valve
>Valve doesn't make games
>Bluepoint works on remastering Sony's cinematic experiences
>Armature's big new game ReCore bombed
What happened?

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>>381505629
>>381505768
>Giving him (You)s

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>>381506009
Yes, here it is

>>381506182
It's not like it matters, he'll continue shitting up the thread and mods/janitors will ignore him and just ban people they get into personal arguments with like always.

>>381505526
Retro didn't make Punch-Out, Next Level did.

>>381504921
you're a retard who cant even read the thread when the series was alive and well it was selling as well as Kirby games and those get churned out ever other fucking year. See:>>381494331. FE wasn't even doing 1 million sales until it came to the fucking west and that was only for 2 of the GBA games

>>381506000
I wasn't talking about your weird ass fantasies you have about Samus.

>>381506294
>sources:
>wikipedia
>kotaku
No anon, you're just as bad.

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>>381506347
R-right. Forgot about that. But my point still stands.

>>381506423
>the series was alive and well
When was this mythical time?

>FE wasn't making 1million sales in Japan only
Ok.

What's your point?

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>>381506446
>it's a "weird ass fantasy" to want a video game, instead of glorified cinematic fap bait

>>381506458
I didn't make this, but wikipedia usually takes the sales numbers from NPD themselves, so from that standpoint, they're reliable.

>>381506754
>usually
Then just use those source then anon. Don't use wikipedia.

Metroid was never actually dead, at least in the eyes of Nintendo. If you look back, they were always acknowledging its existence and supporting it on Virtual Console and other things like that, like references in other games.

>>381506803
But I didn't make this, I just took it to shut the Other M sold a million copies fags up. I thought it looked cool and saved it for myself.

>>381506557
Back in 2007 when Nintendo was making the games fans wanted? Did you ignore the chart where Prime 3 sold 1.4 million?

>Whats your point

Why keep fucking FE alive when its failing to meet sales projections then can metroid after 1 game sells like shit for 6 years? Its like were talking in circles because your cant fucking read

>>381506919
>I thought it looked cool
>Source: Kotaku

>>381506743
How many Samus figures do you own? Be honest.

>>381506951
>Did you ignore the chart where Prime 3 sold 1.4 million
>on the Wii's install base
>he thinks this is impressive

>Why keep fucking FE alive when its failing to meet sales projections
Small team/budget, IP is one of a few that sell for Intelligent Systems.

>then can metroid after 1 game sells like shit
>1 game sells like shit
>1
What?

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>>381507120
>he says while likely having no less than 30 Zero Suit amiibos

>>381506981
I can confirm the guy who made it sources are accurate, Metroid Other M never lit up any of Nintendo's charts, it didn't make the 1 million seller list on Nintendo's charts, and Reggie had did an interview questioning why the game failed and couldn't even reach half a million.

>>381507364
>I can confirm the guy who made it sources are accurate
>wikipedia
>Kotaku
You haven't confirmed anything.

>>381507416
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2010/11/reggie_wonders_where_metroid_other_m_sales_went_wrong

>>381507534
>via kotaku.com

>>381507310
Why the fuck would you have 30 ZSS figures. You hate the ZS. How far does your attraction go?

>>381507653
You doubting Reggie?

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>Zero Suit still causes asspain

>>381507749
I'm doubting Kotaku as a good source.

Which it isn't.

>>381506294
I feel sorry for reggie

He has to do trig in his head to avoid saying something negative every time Nintendo released a bad game or doesn't have a needed game in development

>>381507707
Reminds me of that guy who hated Rosalina so much that he bought hundreds of Rosalina amiibo so nobody else could have then.

>>381507994
But that came directly from Reggie's mouth.

>>381507994
>Kotaku fabricates interviews with Reggie

Kill yourself and ask an adult to help you

>>381508183
via Kotaku.com

Which is the problem

>>381507707
>why the fuck would you have 30 ZSS figures
Who are you quoting?

>>381507881
I'd like to cause her some ass pain, if you know what I'm saying.

>>381508240
>Kotaku fabricates interviews with Reggie
Gawker/Kotaku have fabricated other news or deliberately misquoted people so it's not beneath them.

Like Zelda, it's not that popular in Japan. Unlike Zelda, westerners can't prop it up themselves.

>>381508249
You

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>>381508272

>>381508339
You got a source for that?

>>381508398

Which is odd, because I never said I owned even a single amiibo.

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>>381508361
>Unlike Zelda, westerners can't prop it up themselves
>can't
Did you mean to type "Unlike Zelda, it's not that popular in the west"

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>replying to ACfag
Why would you do this?

>>381480264
>Gamers hate women
>Samus is a female
Coincidene? I think not

>>381508579
>your >gf will never get fed up with your shit and rape your boyhole

Why live?

>>381480869
/thread

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>>381508579
>you will never do this with Samus
Why live?

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>>381508543
So not only do you have wet dreams about Samus you are also the Metroid version of mariotehplumber. Woah... you got problems famicom.

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Metroid has historically sold much better in the west than in the east. Also it is usually a fair bit darker than most of Nintendo's properties save perhaps Fire Emblem.

>>381490404
>and kids in japan do not play games with protags who are not also kids.
This is completely too. This is why Samus and Joey was a thing.

>>381509053

Slow down Vlad the implier.

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>>381509137
>usually a fair bit darker than most of Nintendo's properties
Definitely. The giant purple dragon pirate captain hunting down neon-green jellyfish.

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>>381505526
You're pretty much completely correct. It's also why Donkey Kong fell into spinoff hell during the GBA/GCN. Because it lost its main developer, Rare, to Microsoft. Ergo Nintendo didn't really know what to do with the series, so they just tossed it around to different devs like Paon and Namco and created weird experimental pegboard and bongo based games.

It wasn't until the series was passed to Retro Studios that it was able to be put back into good graces again with actual mainline installments. Which kinda makes me worried that DK will be thrown back into the abyss if Retro is moving on from it.

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>>381492180
Twilight Princess was made ESPECIFICALLY to sell in the USA after Wind Waker tanked there.

A small history lesson from someone who was around back then:
>Aonuma acknowledged TP was made out of Nintendo of America's request
>They brainstorm "What do americans like?"
>Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Cowboys are literally the 3 things that come to their heads.
>So you have a cowboy Link, 2 cowboy towns, set in a LotR version of Hyrule and the Twilight Realm being vaguely Star Wars esque with Phantom Zant taking after SW Holograms.

Maybe you weren't here around then, or don't remember but During E3 2006, Nintendo had stated to the press there were no plans to release TP in Japan. They changed their mind a few days after 2ch Zelda fans complained.

>>381504325

>Not meant to pander world wide.

>>381509636
>>They brainstorm "What do americans like?"
>>Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Cowboys are literally the 3 things that come to their heads.

Japan can be so cute sometimes.

>>381491149
I think the whole "OMG METROID IS BACK" hype will help with sales for Samus Returns and especially Prime 4. It helped for Prime 1 and Fusion, which sold 2.83 million and 1.60 million units respectively.

I'm worried that the games that come afterward won't sell as much, though. As >>381493098
shows, Prime 2 and Zero Mission both had pretty huge drop offs from Prime and Fusion in terms of sales.

>>381509432
Retro is big enough that they can work on more than one game at a time.

>>381509934
>I'm worried that the games that come afterward

Let's hope there even are games that come afterwards.

I would love Metroid to be back on the track it was in the early-mid 2000s where it was getting titles every other year or so.

>>381510009

Yet we haven't got a peep out of them in 3 years.

>>381510009
they only have like 70 devs anon

Is Prime 4 being developed entirely in Japan? That would be interesting if so because Prime has been strictly American beforehand. I wonder if it will have a distinctly different flavor if it is made in Japan.

>>381510405
>Dat Clipping.

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>>381509432
I played Jungle Beat. Granted, it was the New Play! Control edition, but I had so much fun with it. It felt a bit closer to the original SNES trilogy than Retro's DKCs (Not that I dislike them, quite the opposite), I'd love to see the Jungle Beat try and make another platforming DK, maybe this time with the Country label. They also made the Mario Galaxy duology, so I know they have skill

>>381510752
>It felt a bit closer to the original SNES trilogy than Retro's DKCs

How so, exactly? JB was completely and utterly different from any of Rare's games in terms of atmosphere, characters, enemies, gameplay, etc.

Retro's DKC games at least had minecart levels, Diddy Kong, rolling, KONG letters, David Wise (for TF anyway), etc.

>>381511080
Take in mind I played the NPC Wii version with Stick and A button to jump, I can't vouch for the original Cube release.

I feel the Retro DKC physics funky. Maybe because I replayed the original 3 to many times for the past 23 years, they're burnt into my mind. Returns/TF physics feel weird like how DK has like half a second delay when he starts running, how he bounces if he hits a wall, stuff like that dont seem to apply to Jungle Beat at all.

It drives me off.

>>381510351
why is samus so short

>>381506294
Why does Nintendo love teaming up with KoeiTecmo? They make fucking shit games

>>381509901
>>381509636
Odd, I was under the impression that Star Wars is super-de-duper popular in Japan, even compared to the West.

I do like cowboy Link though. It really seemed to fit in TP, for some reason.

>>381480264
They haven't made a good metroid game since the prime series

>>381511391
Dude no way are you a detective

>>381511315
It is popular in Japan, yes, but it is bigger in the US

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>>381511289
Girls are short anon, especially cute girls like Samus.

>>381511539
Samus is pretty tall. At the very least taller than that image would indicate.

>>381511453
Prime had almost 3 million sales, it has an audience, just not a very big one because nintendo hasn't properly supported it, just like F-zero, or a Sequel to DK-64

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250223/metroid-a-sales-history/

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>>381511539
But Samus is 6 meters tall anon.

>>381506157
Same thing that always happens
Devs work on a good game and suddenly they think they're hot shit. They try getting even higher salaries and lots of other bullshit from nintendo and nintendo tells them to fuck off. They do it gladly thinking they're gonna make another Metroid prime tier game all on their own.
Then a few years later reality sits in and they realize they've ruined their entire career and are now stuck at a garbage shovelware studio where they at best will be making C tier games and struggling to make ends meet.

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>>381511609
Nah, Samus is cute and short

>>381511662
Nah, that's just a meme

As someone that engages in ERP it's really surprising how common Samus is. Feel free to ask any questions.

>>381480869
I don't ever mind a combat challenge, but the kind of "stuck" metroid and similar games get to is innervating. The puzzle-ish nature of navigation makes it more boring than enjoyable.
I might just be stupid, but I always get to some point where it just stops being fun and becomes annoying. Same reason why I prefer earlier Final Fantasies than 6-onwards (except for 10-15 which I didn't play). I'm old enough to not want to spend hours trying to figure out how to progress and just go and play something where the challenge comes from mechanical interaction rather than memory or activating that one element six rooms away.

>>381511391
>the only Metroid games released since Prime 3 were Other M and Federation Force

Gee, you don't fucking say.

The small dedicated group of Metroid fans wants to play the same game over and over again without realizing they already have a handful of stellar titles they can go back to at any time. Outside of that, the Metroid series is doomed to be repetition and nobody actually gives a fuck about it because of that. The series' premise traps itself, there are only so many things you can do with it while keeping it Metroid and they've been done.

>>381511769
Stop being autistic, every official data released on her measurements say shes tall.

>>381480264

It's hard as fuck, I 100%'d zero mission a few days ago and holy shit, without a guide and save states this shit is literally impossible.

>Some items can only be acquired by chaining multime frame perfect shinesparks in a row
>the game doesn't even tell you what a shinesparks is

Also each game lasts like 3 hours, it's basically a franchise made to appeal to autistic speedrunners, it's an even bigger niche than fighting games.

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>>381511812
How the fuck can you stand people that insist on playing characters they have no knowledge of or lack any desire to stay even close to established characterization?

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>>381512042
>official data
like what?

>>381480264
Non trap protaganist
Why can't Metroid crawl?
Underwater glass bottle conundrums
Coeey Feldman's What's up with Youth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO_8n5y5edk
Puzzles make my head hurt

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>>381512301
Manuals and shit.

>>381494152
>sf2
When it was released games could not yet be movie-like so only good games existed in the first place and the only people that played vidya were the same kind that would be willing to play chess. If you're talking about recent releases, some of those players are still alive and still play, some people raised on movie-like games eventually changed to prefer actual games, the rest can be chalked up to brand recognition. Even children born after the year 2000 knew of street fighter, and they're more susceptible to marketing than anyone. SFV would have actually had great casual sales if they had made a long movie-like story mode from the start.

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>>381512461
That's just the suit's height.

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>>381512301
Her appearance has changed drastically but just going by how tall she looks in the games her height looks like it hasn't changed much.

>>381508245
Then why are they still doing interview with devs and companies if they fabricate their shit?

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>>381512686
Manuals back then are notoriously filled with outdated/incorrect information.

>They will never bring back Bowser's younger brother from Lost Levels

>>381512278
Well that's part of what makes Samus so much fun. She's really a blank slate. Most people I ERP with do not know the cannon, the one's that do don't care much about authenticity. She has no spoken lines, no males she ever interacts with (I know there's Adam but literally no person I have ever met is interested in him being part of the RP), so you have to throw a personality on her.

*Turbo slut
*Strong warrior women that is broken and subject to extreme humilation. Usually involving breeding
*Cool, strong woman that will dom you
whatever. She's a blank slate in the bedroom.

RPs are usually extreme smut. Only did 1 with any romance.

>>381511297
I do not know, but I'm glad they are never touching Metroid again.

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>>381512613
Unless it adds more than 4 inches Samus is still hovering somewhere around 6 feet to 5'11.

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>>381512905
Eh, a pixel game isn't a great scale.

>>381493956

Prime pretty much plays exactly how a Metroid game should play. The FPS aspect of it isn't really all that pivotal to the experience. It's more about adventure than anything

>>381512859
Unless you have another source for her height and weight that's what it is.

You can't claim the manual is wrong without proving it wrong.

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>>381512859
You can literally just look at her suit and tell it doesn't add much height to her. Its not as if her feet and hands reach to the knees and elbows then use interfaces in the suit to augment their reach or something. Theres clearly no room in the legs for that, they're too thin, her feet must actually be at the bottom.

I have no idea why you're so autistically suborn about this point, it's a little weird.

>>381493956
I feel like people who call Prime a "typical FPS" or "a Halo clone" haven't actually played it.

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>>381513089
My source is common sense, cute girls are short and Samus is cute

>>381513270
Alright you're just a delusional waifufag I guess.

As much as I hate the "zero suit ruined samus crowd" people like you make me sympathize with them a bit.

>>381513270
You're an idiot anon

>>381511812
mail?

>>381513270
So you have nothing, then.

>>381505526
This.

Why do you think there's always a Kirby and Fire Emblem in development while games like Advance Wars get shelved? Their developers enjoy making one series over an other.

Does it suck for fans of stuff like Mother and Advance Wars? Yes, but I think everyone would agree that a game that the developers wanted to make would be better than one they didn't.

>>381512869
>She has no spoken lines

>Fusion
>Other M
>Federation Force

>>381480264

Really? I thought the Prime series were million sellers.

>>381512869
I fucking hate Metroid threads

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>>381480264
It takes a little bit of effort to play, scares away the normies.

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what the fuck was his problem

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>>381513358
Zero Suit was a fun gameplay element but of course it would become her more popular image.

People just can't appreciate how sexy armour is.

>>381513595
he was stuck in a game with inferior characters

>>381483593
This actually isn't true. Metroid has much more difficulty than Kirby clearing the 1M mark.

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>>381513605
I don't mind the zero suit at all, in fact I like it a lot. Its both cool and sexy.

The only problem is that it opened the door to insane waifufags like this guy.

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>>381512869
>Most people I ERP with do not know the cannon
>the one's that do don't care much about authenticity
>*Turbo slut

[AUTISTIC SCREECHING]

I don't understand people that play established characters in out-of-character ways. The authenticity is most of the goddamn fun. Make an OC if you want a different personality, don't wear a fucking paper bag with Samus' face drawn on it. She's not completely blank, there's an outline there and there's a degree of challenge in staying within it while still having fun.

God fucking dammit I'm too autistic to even roleplay without sperging out.

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>>381513418
Can we get back on topic?
Okay from what I gather from this and previous threads:
>Japan doesnt like Metroid
>The Prime series were recieved very poorly by Famitsu
>They tried to make her a japanese hero-style space Kamen Rider woman as early as the Super Metroid CM, further reflected in Zero Mission, Prime 3 and Other M.
>They try to give her a kid companion to appeal to japanese kids who didnt give a shit about Samus, even with the Space Tokusatsu aditions
>They manga did alright-ish but didnt help game sales

>>381510009
they aren't that big. If we still had a low budget option like the 3DS they could throw a couple guys on something small, but it's all hands on deck for a Switch game.

>>381513402
No one even knows other M exists outside of /v/ I never played it myself. My point is that there is nothing in the cannon about how Samus would fuck. How would you ERP her?

>>381513418
What's your problem?

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>>381512869
>not a submissive slut who desperately wants to please Adam (insert yourself here)
That sucks man

Is acfag in this thread?

I don't think the Zero suit ruined Samus, but the accompanying anime design doesn't fit as well as the Samus from the end of Prime. Prime 2 made me ill.

>>381513914
Nintendo really should invest more in western studios. Especially if the third parties refuse to play ball.

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>>381513750
Yeah, I like it too but it feels like people beat you over the head with it. They're like

>GUYS
>SHE'S A GIRL, GET IT GUYS
>LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF A GIRL SHE IS
>GUYS LOOK

I like her because she's a girl who kicks ass and I only found out she's a girl because I died in Super Metroid. Was mind blowing to me at the time.

>>381514034
The anime design is fine I think. She still looks like a badass with it. Hell she still looked like a badass in Other M. It was her horrendous characterization that ruined it, among other things of course.

Just as an example her most recent appearance in zero suit was in Smash 4 and she looks great in that.

>>381514006
Well the thing is no one wants to be Adam. If they want submissive slut Samus I let them play their OC. Don't get me wrong having her be dicked by furries is loads of fun.

>>381513819
Well how should I ERP her with consensual sex? Turbo slut seems like the most natural way. Usually she is rape-bait though.

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>>381514261
>Well how should I ERP
how about not at all, you human reject

>>381514215
They should have stuck with a silent protagonist like Link

Trying to turn her into a character they think Japs would like was a mistake

>>381513471
I can't for the life of me figure out how so many people got stuck on the part after the Torizo fight. Use the fucking bombs you just got.

What really pisses me off is the guy who asked if it was a glitch. "No, it can't possibly be my incompetence, it's the game's fault."

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>>381513851
That said, Samus and Joey is a funny, curious alternative.

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>>381514261
>Well the thing is no one wants to be Adam
>not Doming her with stuff like you're not authorised to orgasm etc
Sad.

>dicked by furries
I just vomited a little

>>381514034
Prime 3 nailed it though.

>>381514428
>Hey Kid, Wanna go on a Space Adventure?

>>381514348
I'm very social. I meet all my friends through ERPing as cartoon or video game women. You meet people you would never expect, like a guy who directed several Bioware games.

>>381514592
Would you say no to Space Garterbelt Samus?