Why don't British AP shells have explosive filler? How am

>>381455306
I never got the obsesion for tanks that some people have on this site.
I just don't find the appealing, and I like to read about war and millitary story too, but I just don't find the infatuation towards those machines.

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>>381455426

Tanks are rad as all Hell. Literally vehicles with a giant single cannon. And WWII tanks are cool because they're all unique and look like they were balanced for a video game.

Modern MBTs are boring.

VK 45.01 best boy.

>>381455306
you made a big fucking mistake picking anything other than Russia tanks

enjoy getting one shotted every match with no kills

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>>381455306

Also because they were historically meant to pierce the enemy armor and shred a soldier inside or two. Would you continue to sit in a tank when you look over at your buddy and now his torso is gone? You'd get the Hell out.

Unfortunately, this doesn't make for a good WT experience since your crew has no personal feelings or emotions.

>>381455306
You're fucked until you grind up to HESH, just save yourself the pain and switch to Russia now.

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>>381456298
But Russian tanks are ugly.

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>>381456817

Correct.

>>381455426
Because there's an interestingly wide variety of tactics and weapons to employ and engagements last longer than 1 second.

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Honk honk Outta the way

>>381456298
You mean HEAT? The one you get with the first Pz IV?

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>>381456817
ubit sebja cyka blyat

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>>381455306

Unfortunately with the current state of the game anything without HE filler rounds is pure suffering. If you can tolerate the Brit tanks they get better around 6.0 when they get Sabot rounds which make up for the terrible AP rounds, they still aren't as good as HE filled rounds but they are a decent middle step.

Avoid Firefly and Achilles if possible.

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>>381457335

Matilda II are the cutest most versatile british tank.

>>381457583
No, HESH. The special snowflake shell the bongs kept their rifled barrels for.

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>>381457626

>>381457583

No he means HESH, its Brits answer to HE filler rounds. Look it up

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Tanks are cars except except with giant gun on top.

Cold war and mostly WWII era vehicles are so popular because that was when there was an extreme amount of variation in tank design since no one had any idea for the ideal tank that would become the MBT.

World of Tanks -> Balanced (san PTW) BUT HORRIBLE RNG and mechancis
War Thunder -> RUSSIAN BIAS but better (If slow and groggy) mechanics

>>381455306
When you start getting the Comet and the Centurions shit gets kinda better

>>381457906
>Sabot

Enjoy memorizing crew placements of all tanks so you can kill them one by one when a russian could one shot you

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why are there no actual tank simulators

what the fuck

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>>381458026
kek

>>381458551
It's called RO2

>>381458675
>>381458551
the new game Hell Let Loose is supposed to have realistic tank combat like RO2, but better graphics. Or so they claim. But still in the core it's a fps

>>381458075
for having played both the low tier tank are funnier to use in war thunder

>>381455306
>Why don't British AP shells have explosive filler?

Well if you are going early war the reason stated is that High Explosive rounds fired from tanks encroaches on the job of the artillery units since they fire things that go boom and we can't have that.

>>381458551
http://www.armouredcommander.com/

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>>381455820
>Modern MBTs are boring.
I beg to differ

>>381455820
When War Thunder did the MBT April fools thing with the Leo 2 and T-90 and the choppers. Shit was fun as fuck

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>>381455306

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>>381459270
lol what the fuck

tank roguelike? this i must try.

but seriously how is there not a multiplayer coop tank crewman simulator with a realistic backdrop. this seems to me one of the first things anyone who had ever heard of videogames would make.

but i don't think there's ever been a single one made. not that i've found, anyway.

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>>381459572
>

>>381459327
they all looks very similar
all have a the same 120mm guns

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>>381459678

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>>381455306
>Not driving around the map, sniping people with your 88flak fuck truck
Shit son.

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>>381459327

>Modern tank sim
>Point and click adventure with super zoom optics, all-seeing thermal vision, and fire control systems that take all the guesswork out of gunnery

>WWII or early Cold War tank sim
>Need to range manually, with much more limited tools
>Need to adjust for lead manually
>Can move or shoot accurately, but not at the same time
>Night fighting requires the use of a IR searchlight, and turning it one puts you at additional risk

Playing tank sim with older tanks is just simply a much more rewarding experience

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>>381459327

>>381460409
>Trashy Russian breakdown machines

>>381458075
Wot
>balancing team is fucking drunk out of their ass and every day keeps making worse decisions
>pay to win premiums
>horribly uncomfortable metagame mechanics (xp, crew skills and training, modules)
>stays true to it's arcade as fuck idea+rng

Wt
>balancing team is worse than blizzards with turn-taking
>pay to win premiums
>the grind is somehow even worse than wot, and then module grind is much worse
>has no fucking idea if its arcade or realistic so it picks the worst parts and mixes them
>used to have perfectly functioning gamemodes that community enjoyed at the population peak, but fucked them by mixing arcade elements into rb and sb and vice versa
>horrible bugs with spots and shell pens


Wot is greed inc. and the devs are shit but game stays true to it's format, and game is roughly same since 2011

Wt is green inc. and the devs have no idea what they want or community wants (look at boats), effectively wasting enormous fucking potential

Tanks killed WT

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>>381460358
well that and you just get a GBU or a CBU-97 and die.

>>381455306
You have a quick firing gun with enough penetration, pump shots into modules and crew until the target dies.

>>381458551
Steel Armour on steam

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>>381460572
>South Korean tank
>Trashy Russian breakdown machines

>>381458551
I know of one called Steel Armour: Blaze of War.
There's also a super expensive autist-level-of-detail one I can never remember the name of. Steel Beasts Pro?

>>381459986
>rams a plane into you
Ded, not big souprice.

>>381461101
Sorry, weeb breakdown machines.

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>>381461120
Steel Beasts is the one, you need to pay a sub for it or pay like 40 dollars for the year

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What's the best tank and why is it the Challenger 2?

>>381461269
If it's so good why are we considering buying Leopards to replce it?

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>>381461269
relic of a bygone age

just like this A-10 ;_;

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Any good games featuring the Bradley? It's my favorite tank.

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>>381461548
>bradley
>tank
wew

don't think so anon, sorry.

>>381461419
I wish we'd invest in our own arms manufacturers

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>>381461548
It is a troop carrier... not a tank.

>>381461921
It's big, metal, and it has a gun.

>>381461176
Thanks for triggering me. Its much better in realistic than arcade though, since they can't spot you from 50 lightyears away.

>>381461880
it seems under-armed though, i think we should put a missile launcher on it.

>>381461921
you need to put a missile launcher on it

>>381457985
>anything with 2-pounder
>versatile

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>>381455820
Cold War Tanks > WW2 tanks

Cold war tanks are still very unique

Just compare an abrams to a T-90

>>381462163
>encounter enemy tank
press your barrel to it's armor and shoot
>encounter infantry
fire machine gun until they are dead while you laugh at any anti-tank weapons and/or guns they use

versatile

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>>381455306

Funny, we were having this same conversation back in 1940.

Play a Matilda II, expect to be outrun by infantry on foot, and hope your opponent didn't take any 88s.

>>381462617
Oh right it's bait, now I get it.

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>>381461548
Wargame my man, Enough Bradleys for everyone, even the recon variants so you can snipe russians with the TOW missile.

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Who are you planefag?

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>there will never be an armored warfare game centered around AFVs being crewed by at least two or three players
>commander handles inter-tank communication, plots paths for the driver to take, and designates targets for the gunner
>commander may or may not have a weapon station
>gunner purely concentrates on gunning targets and scanning if the tc is busy
>driver is the only one with increased situational awareness of the vehicle for the sake of gameplay

I don't care if it's a sim or an arcade so long as I get to be cooped up in a tank with some bros. Some of the best times I've had was playing in an MBT in Project Reality with a bro. Shame you can't get that kind of co-op multiplayer without it being subservient to a bigger mode (combined arms). It'd be great to relive my days as a Bradley crewman but in vidya form as opposed to the individually played tanks you see most of the time.

>>381462986
Do you only play as americans in this game?

>>381462986
Is that cold waters or whatever?

It's not as hard to play as dangerous waters is it?

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>>381462986
who me? i just like simulators.


mostly planes, but i like CMANO and cold waters/silent hunter too.

>>381462789
it was actually a joke, i guess.

>>381463123
for now

>>381463130
no

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>>381463209
I want to play with a Typhoon or an Akula. Hope it's soon

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>>381463489
typhoon is SSBN so out of scope, but you will probably get to play alfa/whiskey/victor maybe. mite b cool.

>>381463123
>>381463130
Yes it's Cold Waters

It's easier than Dangerous Waters to play

They're planning on adding Soviets and Brits to be playable.
>>381463489
There's a slav subs playable mod already

>>381463097
I played a lot of bf4 tanking with a bro and I love the combined arms aspect just because it means that encounters are very different. Attacking a town held by enemy players while your infantry push into it and just supporting them by shooting into the town and hitting strong points etc.

I mean yeah it's arcadey and not a sim, but it's fun as fuck.

>>381463489
Typhoon are boomers no reason to play one in a game about hunting.

>>381463697
Nibba there's Typhoons in it already as enemy subs

Why do people even use tanks nowadays? Literally caskets on wheels.

>>381463869
Yeah but they don't hunt, they are the prey.

It's like asking to play as an aircraft carrier.

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>>381462617
>>381463209
>"any anti tank weapon
>panzerfaust easily penetrates over 100mm of armor
>panzershreks penetrate 200 mm of armor

>>381463912
Why wouldn't they use tanks? Modern tanks are seriously hard to crack open.

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>>381463869
i know, but playing as one is mostly pointless because the map only includes GIUK and the soviet coast. so, actually heading into the atlantic and launching nukes isn't really a thing you can do anyway.

of course you can hunt them as an american SSN though.

>>381464060
absolutely false, ever since the 1950s tanks have become more and more obsolete, especially now with Top-down anti-armor munitions such as Javelins and Helicopter-borne anti-tank munitions

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>>381464052
>range of panzerfaust/schreck very limited
>range of machine gun coax ~600+m

>>381464248
When was the last time a modern air force fought an army with modern state of the art tanks?

>>381464248
>More Obselete

>Led charges in the 68 and 73 war on the Sinai
>Prominence in the Iran-Iraq war
>Led the charge in the 1991 Gulf war

>obsolete

>>381464060
you can still molotov them to death

>>381464342
>tanks that costs tens of millions of dollars used to fight sand people
>totally effective, r-right guys?
nice job moving the goalpost

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>>381464504
>fighting sand people with 40 year old tanks proves the effectiveness of modern MBTs
well baited, if only i didnt know better

>>381464504
>Man claiming tanks are obsolete has no idea what he's talking about.

>>381464565
That wasn't the point I was making was it.

Modern tanks have systems in place to ensure they wouldn't be instantly wiped out on the battlefield by air power. Infantry AT still needs line of sight and tank batallions operate with friendly AA nearby anyway.

>>381464553
No

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>>381464772
>Modern tanks have systems in place to ensure they wouldn't be instantly wiped out on the battlefield by air power.
a-anon, i d-don't know what to tell you...

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find a flaw

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>>381465002
I'll handle this


>>381465139
>2017
>rifled tank guns

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>>381465002
Anon I don't know how retarded you are

>>381465139
literally worse than the M1A2

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>>381465139
vulnerable to cluster bombs

>>381465139

>those skirts

L-lewd~

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>>381465212
>shoots you down from 200 miles away
pssh, nothing personal kid...

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>>381465212
>he doesn't have rifling in his tanks
how do you even live without HESH
>>381465224
proofs
>>381465301
as opposed to the tanks that aren't vulnerable to air, I assume?

>>381462986
Hope they make a Tom Clancy's SSN mod USA vs China

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>>381465387
*homes in on ur position*

>>381464248
Nothing other than tanks can bring similar firepower, mobility and armour to the battlefield anon. Maybe you need to catch up, and start educating yourself.

>>381465002
Think of this, the most defended airspace in the world is North Korea. In order to fight a modern war there you would need to use ground forces to make any sort of invasion. You would need tanks to support that ground force.

Tanks aren't obsolete, especially when you have no guarantees of air superiority. That's why Russia has a shit ton of tanks and a shit ton of AA

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>>381465432
>How do you live without HESH
By using smoothbore guns that can use more than 2 types of ammo you spastic.

The Chally 2 a shit

>>381465387
Cute

>implying S400 is going anywhere outside of Moscow Oblast in a war

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>>381465638
>shoots you down from 300 miles away
haven't i killed you before?

>>381465779
Depends how poor the russians get

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>>381465496
i hope the developers add some extra theaters. i don't know fuck all about chinese subs but i assume they have a fuckload.

>>381465432
every other tank has the flaw too granted

>>381465764
anon, the AGM-88 exists fampai

>>381465779
Werent they gonna deploy them in Syria, near one of the airbases used by the russian to protect syrian airspace?

is Arma 3 worth buying or will i need to buy expansions and dlcs also?

>>381455426

>hesrightyouknow.jpg

tank fights are about camping as hard as you can because the defenders advantage is fucking insane. better stability and you have to wait till the middle of your tank is out before you can fire because thats where your turret is. It's shitty and boring.

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>>381466006
they did, yes

they'd lose at it the first sign of trouble to the carrier group in the med, though

>>381466190
i have the vanilla game, it's p. gud but mods make it much better.

>>381465952
Yes anti radiation missiles existed in 1991, didn't do enough to the Iraqi IADS around baghdad though. They could simply turn off the radar and similar avoidance tactics. America had to resort to night strikes and using the F-117.

>>381465952
China has like 70ish subs atm, both nuclear and conventional.
Type 092 submarine
Type 091 submarine
Kilo-class submarine
Type 035 submarine

are all period submarines

also SSN is an awesome novel

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>>381466287
>anything past 1960 has p. gud stabilizer for firing on the move

>maneuver warfare is like 3/4 of tank warfare

>games represent it relatively poorly though.

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>>381466481
HARM/JSOW/SDB/JASSM/TLAM will rape any legacy SAMs the norks have though.

they have like SA-4 at the highest which is reliquary tech like 1970s era.

>>381455306
because in real life, a piece of metal shattering inside of a tank would've been enough to disable it or force the crew to get out (if anyone was still alive)

unfortunately war thunder isn't realistic at all

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>>381466557
neat man. i like naval stuff but i'm much less knowledgeable in it than i should be. how are chinese subs? can they compare to LA?

south china sea would be a neat theater. i think they should probably redo the campaign in cold waters to be deeper and more like silent hunter IMO.

>>381467367
i quit WT tanks when the sherman 105 was the best anti-tank weapon in the game

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>>381455306

>He hasn't noticed how butthurt slavs deliberately nerf the centurion armor and RoF.

Enjoy the Anglophobia.

>>381466843
It doesn't matter what the tech level

SEAD is Suppresion, not destruction, because that's all air attacks can do is suppress. THe issue in 1991 was the American's didn't realise how many SAM sites there were in bagdad and how much suppression they had actually done. They only ended up losing 2 F-16s and no pilots (A testament to the USAF's training and ability), but Command never did another strike by non-stealth aircraft. That's how big of a deal those 2 lost aircraft was, not the number but the fact that the enemy wasn't as suppressed as they thought. It's also a big fucking deal though, because it shows the power of Stealth.

To kill your enemy you have to see them, and the issue with NK is we can't see enough. Sure we can suppress the air defense to some degree but ground forces and tanks will still play a huge role because, You won't be able to eliminate the air defense completely with SEAD. I am not doubting the power of Air, but you shouldn't overestimate it either.

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>>381467801

DELET THIS

>>381467801
omg a cold war tank effortlessly destroys some tanks from 1939

>>381467801
Jesus fuck this anime is such steamy hot shit.

>>381461193
>South Korean
>Russian
>weeb
>breakdown
we got an expert over here

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>>381455306
You're all fucking shit,
British tanks are the most balanced tanks in Warthunder.
Learn to play the fucking game you plebs.
Leave arcade and do realistic or sim.

>>381467801
Anime was a fucking mistake, drop another nuke please

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>>381455306
All 3 of the Cromwells are the deadliest tanks in their BR range if played properly.
Key things:
1. Go fast. You've got one of the quickest tanks in the game, fucking use that quality
2. Flank, avoid facing the enemy head on. Your armor is paper.
3. Aim for the crew. Shoot into the side of the turret and you'll most likely take out the gunner. Knocking out the gunner on a Pz.IV can be done from the front, just shoot the plate to your right of its cannon.
4. Remember, you can eat T-34s for breakfast. Motherfuckers are so cramped that you don't need any explosive filler.
5. KV-1s are scary. NEVER face them head on.

Below the Cromwell ranks, all this basically applies to A13s and Crusaders too. The one caveat here is that the Crusader Mk. III's speed is a lot less impressive so it's kinda mediocre to the point that I prefer the Mk.II and A13.
As for other Bong tanks at low ranks such as the Valentine and Matilda, I say fuck those things. Because they're so sluggish it's too hard to get the flank shots and such that you need with the solid shot ammo.

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>>381468005
A/C these days carry targeting pods which can maintain visual from 20~ nm slant range, which means you can directly bomb SAM sites from outside their effective range.

bombs have longer ranges than the NK SAMs.

suppress and then release bombs from 30~ nm slant and you will kill them.

>>381467801
this 10/10 war thunder gameplay

>>381467770
Kilo is a diesel-electric attack submarine
Type 092 is a SSBN
Type 091 is a SSN, and probably the closest to a LA with the Kilo
Type 035 is basically an upgraded Romeo class

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>>381468473
Also, top tip for fighting Pz IVs and most other German tanks.
There's a spot on its side where you're 90% guaranteed a one hit kill because the ammo is so easy to hit and ignite.
You only have to check the X-ray for one German tank and you know them all.

>>381461269
Challenger 1 looks better and was more innovative at its time. Not that Challenger 2 is bad, just somewhat boring in comparison.

>>381468742
I find the diagonal bits on the front sides of the Pz.IV to be a really fucking fatal shot trap. Every time I shot that part there's inevitable catastrophic damage no matter where the turret is pointing

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>>381467801

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>>381468919
Another tip about fighting German tanks up until the Tiger II.
If you have the penetration just shoot them dead centre in the front.
The British shells make a nice cone when they penetrate, you can easy kill 3 or 4 crew members with your first shot.

>>381463126
>152mm main gun (the 'Merican version had one at least)
>20mm AC
>entire crew of 3 in turret
>layered armor
Man, this tank was so ahead of its time

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>>381468965
wew lad

>>381468476
" “They have a mix of old Soviet SAMs [surface-to-air missiles], including the S-75, S-125, S-200 and Kvadrat, which are likely in more or less good condition,” Vasily Kashin, a senior fellow at the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at Moscow’s Higher School of Economics told The National Interest. “They used to produce the S-75 themselves—and those could have received some significant upgrades. In addition to them, since early the 2010s they are fielding an indigenous modern SAM system which is called KN-06 by South Korea and the U.S.”

It is not clear how many KN-06 SAM batteries Pyongyang has built, but the North Korean weapon is a surprisingly capable system that is similar to early model versions of the Russian-built S-300. “No one knows exactly how many such systems exist,” Kashin said. “The KN-06 has phased array radar and tracks via missile guidance system and maybe equivalent to the early S-300P versions but with greater range." "

North Korean leadership isn't retarded anon. They know the only thing standing between them and thorough butt fucking is to stay on top of their SAM game.

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>>381468103
INDIVIDUAL


CHINAMEN

>>381461419
we aint, the challenger capability sustainment program will extend its life to at least 2035-ish

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>>381469481
ah shieet

forgot about those


still, not going to stop the combined forces' steam roller IMO. the real deterrent against SK rolling NK has always been the D-30

>>381455306
Don't worry after 5.7 Brits are OP.

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Deutscher Stahl

KV1-ZiS5 best tonk.
Can one shot nearly everything, with angling not even Panzer 4 F2 or Flak bus can get through.

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>>381455426
The only interesting way to play tanks is playing as a tank crew member inside a mobile steel coffin, not as some sort of a god's eye third person view camera. Pity how no game besides Red Orchestra allows that.

>>381469320
Driver pukes every 5 km because of motion sickness.

>>381461531
>relic of a bygone age.jpg
But the senate keeps dragging the A-10 along, not really alive, not allowed to die.

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>>381456817

>>381458551
>put some more tons of weight in your car so it can go at 80km/h at full power and to also simulate the insane fuel consumption
>drill a hole through the roof, weld the side doors permanently
>attach a big plastic tube to the front

there you go, tank

>>381470602
Arma does

>>381470932
That too.
Also
>152mm gun jams and malfunctions because lolATGM launching capability

>>381469320
The sabot round for it at the time was made of hardened steel and had performance characteristics similar to the DM-23 the Germans made for their 120mm gun in 1984, roughly 15 years after what was proposed for the MBT-70s 152mm round.

The 20mm was hated because of how obtuse the controls were for it. But the real neat part was the hydraulics and the engine.

>>381455306
Something about early attempts resulted in the fuses going off prematurely, and it was a hassle, and in real life an an ap shell going through the tank at the right places is good enough to disable it.


Honestly if you were in those tanks and you got hit by a shell and even one of your crew members got shredded to bits everyone would bail immediately. There are WWII clap tankers that went through over half a dozen tanks throughout the war.

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>>381470987
legends never die baby

>>381471232
The XM-150 had none of the issues that the M-81 cannon did.

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>>381471398
>Ukrainian A-10

>>381471176
Are modern tanks truly the same? I bet you're not even totally blind 90% of the time.

>>381471398
you're right, they just run out of spare airframes to cannibalize at the boneyard until all the remaining active frames start dropping out of the sky from stress fractures, sheared fasteners, and the senate, who are comprised entirely of idiots, will continue to vote to keep them until our airmen are dying from it.

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>>381471642
hypothetical my man

>>381471781
while that is a problem, it may be less of a problem for the A-10. it's more robust and suffers less strain due to lack of high-G maneuvering during normal use.

but i'd have to look at maintenance figures to be sure.

>>381470259
Yeah I mean we'd win. It'd just be too fucking ugly for us to give a shit enough to try.

>>381471771
optics are much better but you still have very limited FOV, so situational awareness is a challenge

arma tanks are a little bit shitty until the upcoming overhaul though.

>>381471781
Remind me why they didn't decide to spend a fraction of their massive budget on simply building new A-10 parts and frames?

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I should never go beyond tier III right?

Also is the Hellcat any good in this game?

>>381455306
Play that meme """"anti"""" """"""""""""""""""air""""""""""""""""" car and Crusader AAMKI, and you can 2shot stuff with brits as long as you kill people from turret->shoot driver

>>381467801
So THIS is what weebs tell me is a mature cartoon for adults?

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>>381472401
USAF doesn't like A-10 due to obsolescence on modern battlefield and so doesn't want to spend the money.

also they probably can't. 30 years is a fucking eternity in aerospace, 90% of the molds probably no longer exist and half the contractors are out of business, similar problem to F-22 likely.

>>381472401
It's infinitely cheaper to cannibalize older airframes and repair them than to find all the blue prints of a defunct company, make the tooling, training and then finally produce the replacement parts.

You should've seen the proposed cost of simply buying NEW barrels for the Iowa class' 16" cannons back in the 80s, and those were essentially just long metal tubes.

>>381472585
Hellcats are pretty glorious

The problem is that they're quite a jump in BR, I made the mistake of unlocking it without anything at a similar rank which meant that using the Hellcat had the consequence that every other tank available was horribly underranked.

>>381472685
The difference is that Lockheed made a big deal about keeping all the tooling and training materials for the F-22's production and keeping them in a climate controlled facility. They're supremely confident that F-22 production will start up again in the future, particularly once Congress allows it for export to Japan once they start to see that the Japs are making headway with their own 5th gen fighter program.

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>don't have time or patience to join a sim group
>don't know anyone who will just jump into DCS, IL2, steel beasts, etc for shits and giggles
>everything is too expensive or time consuming to get a friend to start up
>constantly die or get overwhelmed alone
>stuck playing warthunder

Being a fan of this genre sucks.

>>381472648
It's actually entertain to watch, really.

>>381467801
what is this gay trash
kill yourself if you watch this unironically

>>381461997
Then a humvee is also a tank, idiot.

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>>381471232
The Shillelagh was a mistake.

>>381474304
It actually wasn't that bad. It got a bad reputation from the Sheridan, whose light weight made any launch rock the vehicle to the point where it took until the missile was practically 200m away before it could regain track. The M60A2 was down to 75m and the MBT-70 had the sighting system in a much better location so it would begin tracking at ~25m after launch. But in general, GLTATGMs are garbage

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>>381455306
Crusader is a comfy tank.

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>>381475336
>try to 3 marks my Crusader
>get to 90%
>the get into shit game constantly
>down to 84%

I give up.

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>>381475336
Look at those yummy shot traps.
Hmmmhmm.

>>381468965
I'll try spinning, that's a good trick.

>>381476091
Implying you will hit it in the first place. 2fast4you.

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>>381455426
They're giant metal deathtraps put on wheels with cannons and guns attached

If you don't think that's metal as fuck, get out

I wish the covenanter wasn't such shit
She's such a cutie

>>381461101
>>381460409
>a Leo fucked an Abrams
looks like pure sex

>>381461419
Because our governments seem determined to utterly destroy our military. My favourite was the one where we discovered our modern destroyers can't deal with warm water like in the Med because the engines they paid for are so shite.

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Leopard 2 is my tankfu

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THICC

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>>381480118

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moar webms pls

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>>381480118
BRAAAAAAAAAAP

>>381458216
Bovington's finest eh?

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>>381480118
i'll post what i have

>>381466287
>tank fights are about camping

Oh yeah because that sure helped France and Iraq. Can you demonstrate a significant instance of this being the case?

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>>381480551
sorry didnt mean to quote

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>>381466287
>tank fights are about camping as hard as you can because the defenders advantage is fucking insane.

Then why did nobody buy the Stank?

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>>381480746
No offence taken

>>381455426
They're the closest thing we have to gundam

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>>381481271
glad to hear it

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>>381482209
"Brighter than the sun."

>>381482209
BRIGHTER THAN THE SUN

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*breaks down*

Next shipslut quest fucking when you staggeringly lazy faggot?

>>381483957
DIE KAMPFGRUPPE LEHR HAT WIEDER EINMAL IHRE SCHLAGKRAFT UNTER BEWEIS GESTELLT!

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>>381455306
>Why don't British AP shells have explosive filler?

Because in reality it wasn't really necessary. If a tank was penetrated in almost all cases the crew would bail out even if it didn't kill anyone or particularly damage the interior - getting hit and penetrated meant that the enemy had your number, and since the typical procedure was to shoot a tank until it caught fire to confirm the kill, getting hit once meant that more shells would be on the way very shortly and you might not be so lucky next time.

Obviously in War Thunder the crews are all super badasses with no sense of self-preservation, so that doesn't really work.

>>381484220
Good to see that COH is active again

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>>381455306
Grind until you reach a decent tier.

>>381456029
Master of russian bias

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>>381455306
You clearly suck. British tanks are obviously the best in the game.

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>>381486612
The french won the 100 year war

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>The french won the 100 year war
- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at ths time in history, a Roman -ed.]

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

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>>381486839
- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."
With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:

Norse invasions, 841-911.
After having their way with the French for 70 years, the Norse are bribed by a French King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Normandy in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in France's [favour] for next 500 years.

>>381487229
>>381487331
k

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>>381487331
>>381487415

Mexico, 1863-1864
France attempts to take advantage of Mexico's weakness following its thorough thrashing by the U.S. 20 years earlier ("Halls of Montezuma"). Not surprisingly, the only unit to distinguish itself is the French Foreign Legion (consisting of, by definition, non-Frenchmen). Booted out of the country a little over a year after arrival.

Panama jungles 1881-1890.
No one but nature to fight, France still loses; canal is eventually built by the U.S. 1904-1914.

Napoleonic Wars.
Should be noted that the Grand Armee was largely (~%50) composed of non-Frenchmen after 1804 or so. Mainly disgruntled minorities and anti-monarchists. Not surprisingly, these performed better than the French on many occasions.

Haiti, 1791-1804.
French defeated by rebellion after sacrificing 4,000 Poles to yellow fever. Shows another rule of French warfare; when in doubt, send an ally.

India, 1673-1813.
British were far more charming then French, ended up victors. Therefore the British are well known for their tea, and the French for their whine (er, wine...). Ensures 200 years of bad teeth in England.

Barbary Wars, middle ages-1830.
Pirates in North Africa continually harass European shipping in Meditteranean. France's solution: pay them to leave us alone. America's solution: kick their asses ("the Shores of Tripoli"). [America's] first overseas victories, won 1801-1815.

1798-1801, Quasi-War with U.S.
French privateers (semi-legal pirates) attack U.S. shipping. U.S. fights France at sea for 3 years; French eventually cave; sets precedent for next 200 years of Franco-American relations.

Moors in Spain, late 700s-early 800s.
Even with Charlemagne leading them against an enemy living in a hostile land, French are unable to make much progress. Hide behind Pyrennes until the modern day.

>>381487448
Is this copypasta from lindyberg

You guys don't unironically play WoT STILL in 2017, right?

How much more will they have to shit down your throat with p2w crap before even you realize it's enough?

>>381487331
>>381487448
Based Lindy poster

>>381471110
Doesn't throw tracks enough 2/10 simulation

>>381472052
bullshit. It may not be as high tolerance as an air superiority fighter, but any combat aircraft is still subject to an incredible amount of stress, and they have much more demanded of them than civilian aircraft.

A 30 year old single engine Cessna is not too bad as long as it was maintained well. A 30 year old A-10 is a potential deathtrap, no matter how many overhauls its had.

These things are CAS attack aircraft. They're not B-52s dropping bombs at 40,000 feet or C-5s leisurely cruising along. They regularly make high G dives and rolls, and small arms fire is routine for them. 30 years is an eternity.

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>>381487448
>>381487415
French-on-French losses (probably should be counted as victories too, just to be fair):

1208: Albigenses Crusade, French massacared by French.
When asked how to differentiate a heretic from the faithful, response was "Kill them all. God will know His own." Lesson: French are badasses when fighting unarmed men, women and children.

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre, August 24, 1572.
Once again, French-on-French slaughter.

Third Crusade.
Philip Augustus of France throws hissy-fit, leaves Crusade for Richard the Lion Heart to finish.

Seventh Crusade
St. Louis of France leads Crusade to Egypt. Completely crushed.

[Eighth] Crusade.
St. Louis back in action, this time in Tunis. See Seventh Crusade.

Also should be noted that France attempted to hide behind the Maginot line, sticking their head in the sand and pretending that the Germans would enter France that way. By doing so, the Germans would have been breaking with their traditional route of invading France, entering through Belgium (Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, World War I, etc.). French ignored this though, and put all their effort into these defenses.

Thomas Whiteley has submitted this addition to me:

Seven year War 1756-1763
Lost: after getting hammered by Frederick the Great of Prussia (yep, the Germans again) at Rossbach, the French were held off for the remainder of the War by Frederick of Brunswick and a hodge-podge army including some Brits. War also saw France kicked out of Canada (Wolfe at Quebec) and India (Clive at Plassey).

Richard Mann, an American in France wants to add the following:

The French consider the departure of the French from Algeria in 1962-63, after 130 years on colonialism, as a French victory and especially consider C. de Gaulle as a hero for 'leading' said victory over the unwilling French public who were very much against the departure. This ended their colonialism. About 2 million ungrateful Algerians lost their lives in this shoddy affair.

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>>381461548

Wargame

You've got 3 games in the series; European Escalation (best Single Player, dead multiplayer), Airland Battle (Worst single player, ok multiplayer) and Red Dragon (ok single player, great multiplayer and still alive)

In the game, you've got 3 Bradley IFV's armed with TOW's, I-TOW's and TOW-2's

Then you've got 3 Recon Bradley's with the same above loadout but can't carry troops. They also have stealth somehow

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>they fucked the zoom and never fixed it

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>>381462830

omg is that a fucking Weasel? God they're so cute.

>>381456238
>t. conscript

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>>381489234
>tfw you will never fire six 105mm recoilless rifles at a tank.

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>>381469320

Not to mention how it could fire ATGM's

>>381460358
Don't forget that pretty much all MBT armament can penetrate any MBT because armor stacking means literally nothing anymore, unlike in WW2 before HEAT and HESH starting making their mark. Also fucking ATGMs...

Takes out all the strategy in angling your tank and having good positioning. Now it's whoever has a faster, more agile tank with a better, more accurate gun. That's not necessarily bad, but it makes for less interesting battles/games (see: Armored Warfare).

>>381461548
The Conflict series were fun as fuck and had a few missions that gave you a Bradley in Desert Storm I & II. Global Terror might've done as well but I'm not sure.
Granted it's not the focus of the game or even the missions it's in but it's still fun. Doubly so if you can co-op it.

>>381458532
It's not difficult knowing that the gunner typically sits on the right side of the cannon breech of the tank (when looking down the barrel). The only faction with gunners on the left side of the cannon breech is USA, with very few exceptions (like the British Black Prince). Makes it very easy knowing where to shoot the most common tanks you'll come across.

Shoot the gunner and the tank is practically out of commission until he's replaced.

>>381457335

Trying to take down a Matilda with a Panzer III is pure suffering. A medium anti-armour vehicle, can it can't penetrate armour.

>>381460951

What is this game?

>>381484413
>>381484521
>Strength build

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>>381461269
>2 part ammo
>aiming acquisition circle
>shared thermal sight
>no horizontal stabilisation
>bizarre x3 and x10 magnification on gunner sight
>muh unique british hydrogas suspension system for 2% better ride
>dude what if we gave the turret faces 1200mm effective armour against HEAT
>muh kettle
Chally 2 is a meme.

Should I play War Thunder or World of Tanks

I have rank 4 Luftwaffe from before Ground Forces came out, but it takes so long to grind a new faction that I don't know if I should bother

>>381492382
Panzer III tanks' strengths lie in their mobility, not their armor. Stop getting shot at and flank more with your agility. The Pz.III M has a shitty 50mm gun but even a 50mm cannon can shred through side armor and into the engine block to cause fires.

>>381494372
That depends, do you like having a shitty gun vs. armor made of Stalinium or do you like getting spotted while behind 50 bushes and under the water then getting ammo racked despite having a wet rack module and instantly dying?