Japanese isn't that hard, you can play Japanese games they

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>>381447249
What Japanese-only games are worth playing?

Japanese is impossible.

Can you give me your steam id? I'd like someone to talk with and see if I'm improving while I learn.

>>381447503

impossibru*

newfaggot

>>381447249
Even if I did know Japanese fluently, I would still listen to dubs if available

If you think Japanese is hard, then you don't ever want to know what learning Chinese is like.

>>381447249
>playing weeb games
id rather not play the 123134127th copy of the same shitty JRPG

>>381447396
the ones too lewd and controversial to get an official NA release

I'm still working on it ever so slowly.

>>381447249
>first language is arabic
>believe no other language can be harder to learn
>tfw saw kanji
Seriously, english is the easiest language to learn

>>381447627
Chinese is easier though, because all the characters have only one reading as opossed to japanese with onyomi and kunyomi, and is not as ambiguous either.

>>381447249
Why does this girl with a purple notebook want me to learn Japanese so bad?

>>381447396
I mainly play vns, i was thinking of getting the one where you fuck chiho senseless. You can easily find and play stuff before its localised or japanese only.
Like thwt phoenix wright game that didn't come here.
If you want try 4gamer.
>>381447539
Try /djt/ on /int/ or /jp/
Also there's a discord
https://discord.gg/scCuB

>>381447739
this. kanji should just be abandoned. there's no point to it.

You can't learn Japanese

>>381447963
>know kanji
>can read a sentence faster than I could in any other language
this shit's good

>>381447249
What is the best way to learn Japanese?

What europeans consider "complicated grammar" is just complicated morphology and well developed case systems.

Languages fall on a spectrum, where languages that are highly morphologically complicated are called "synthetic" and languages that arent are called "analytic".

English and chinese falls on the analytic side, german falls somewhere in the middle (middle-analytic mabye), latin somewhere in the middle, PIE was middle-synthetic mabye, and languages like finnish and aztec are highly synthetic.

People who speak english tend to think that languages on the syntheitc side are more "complicated" than languages on the analytuical side, mostly because of "muh cases", "muh tenses", "muh aggulation", but most englishmen also completely overlook the complicated parts of analytical languages, most importantly the syntax.

In a language like finnish you can string together three words, and as long as you inflict them correctly, the sentence will make sense.

In english, if you wanted to do the same, you'd usually need to use thrice the ammount of words, and you'd need to pay an extreme amount of attention to getting things all in the right order. Amerifats overlook this for some reason i only half-way understand.

From /sci/

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日本を勉強は本当にむずかしいですね。

>>381447249
Hold the fuck up. That bitch has been saying for years that I can't learn it, but now she says I can? Why the sudden change of heart?

>>381447249
Is this image implying that even people with down syndrome can learn Japanese?

>>381447963
>no point
>in a language where けいかん can mean anything from crown of thorns to police officer to sodomy if you don't have kanji

>>381448098
Spend a day learning kana (not mastering)
Then go through tae kim and read easy stuff. You'll learn kanji and master kana on the way.
All while putting new words into anki.

>>381447816
If you're learning the readings separately from the words you're doing it wrong in the first place.
And if we're going to go there then chinese has like 4 tones or whatever and the texts are kanji only.

>>381448126
you missed the 語 there.

>>381448126
while not completely incorrect, I feel like your sentence is phrased a bit weird.

>>381448126
べんきょうするのは my friend

What's a good way to get started.

I'm happy with how games are localized, thank you.

>>381447396
segagaga
that game where you play as a kid on summer holidays in the country

Japanese isn't actually hard, you just need to remember a lot of symbols and foreigners would have hard time with it because it's not language they get to use on day to day basis.

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私の文法はとても乏しいだよ
毎日、日本語を勉強しませんから

>>381448650
Anki 2k/6k core pack and Tae Kim

マンコは痙攣して気持ちを堪らなくて世界が真っ白になっていく。
意識を失う前に
早く!
中に出しなさい!

できない

>>381448650
>>381448990
https://djt.neocities.org/guide.html

>>381449054
止めて下さい

>>381448260
Because other languages with ambiguous written words are impossible to comprehend when read! Right!?

They tried to get rid of kanji in prior language reforms but only maintained it because of "cultural identity." At least they cut out a load of fucking worthless kanji when they dumped manyogana.

自分が嫌いだそして死にたい

Well I learned all the Hiragana and Katakana and then moved on to that Anki shit and I didn't like it so I stopped.

I need more pictures of dekinai-chan

>>381449290
今できなくても、もう少しい頑張るならできるはずだよ

>>381449407
You did it backwards anon-kun

The best way to learn Japanese is to start with Kanji and learn the 2000 required to be literate.

After that you can learn the pronunciation, and the hiragana and katakana will make more sense.

>>381449283
>>They tried to get rid of kanji in prior language reforms
You mean "dipshit Americans", not "They".
>At least they cut out a load of fucking worthless kanji
Have you had a look at the officially taught lists recently? They're only increasing, buddy, and technology is even bringing back lots of kanji that were too cumbersome in the past to handwrite.

Is there any website that works like https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html, but asks ALL hiragana one by one?
I want to make sure I know all of them

Fuck I really wanna read Muramasa and CCC someday. When I eventually get to 40 or son Kanji I'll just read easy VNs with aniki and radicals. Kanji ain't going anywhere because it's too useful.

>>381450056
I recommend heisig and kanji koohii for the stories.

Fuck Japanese. How do these slopes even communicate with these scribbles?

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Duolingo now offering Japanese lessons.

Get learnin' my desu kun senpais.

Consider this:

After watching the MHW trailer and hearing the english voice actress, I was immediate put off by it, thinking it was shit. But then it occurred to me, I wouldn't know if an english voice actress wasn't shit (as opposed to japanese), because I can't actually understand japanese

So I may be wrong, but the language barrier may force me to fill in the gap with a positive ideal, and the learning the language would kill the magic

this isn't justification for not learning the language by the way

>tfw too lazy to learn Japanese
That's hundreds of Vidya or books I'm missing out on to learn a dead language.

>>381449994
Kanji defense force get out

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ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBfWKmRFTjM

>>381450301
It's below rosetta stone tier. Duolingo is the latest in a long line of shitty language learning fads for people who are too lazy to commit.

>>381447739
English is actually pretty difficult. There are a lot of contradictions in the language that makes it very confusing for learners

>>381447963
I want to murder people like you.

First master Kanji and THEN complain about it.

Pro tip: When you mastered it you'll realize how great kanji actually is and that the west should use a similar system.

>>381450301
duolingo will not teach you japanese, but it works as decent sentence creation practice if you already know the vocab covered

>>381450336
anybody who uses the word community like that should be gassed

like it's some sort of fucking surrogate family

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You can't.

>>381450434
Lmao, English is possibly the easiest language in the planet

>>381450301
The duolingo at best is a fun little practice tool.

It teaches you NOTHING.

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>>381447249
Duolingo just added Japanese course, should I try it? It already helped me with German

>learning a language just to see taiwanese stopmotion pornographic games
ISHYGDDT

>>381448180
You can (not) learn Japanese.

>>381450465
why is kanji great?

it helps eliminate confusion with homonyms and improves general readability but it is unnecessarily complex and often trips up even native speakers.

>>381450465
"Once you spend 10 years learning Kanji then you can have the opinion that it's not terrible!"

>>381449926
I just meant with that Anki shit I didn't feel like I was really learning anything which is why I stopped.

>>381447249
Because I learned Korean after living in South Korea for 3 years so I don't want to learn another slant eye language

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Why would you want to learn a difficult language to read porn games when you can just use machine translators? It's not like they are some masterpieces with deep writing.

>>381450664
Just learn like everybody else.
It designed to get your money.

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>>381450625
>in the planet

>>381447249
I'd rather play them dubbed.

>instead of accomplishing anything he just spends his time finding "flaws" on other people's accomplishments
Can you be any more pathetic than this?

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>learning a NEET language with literally no value when everything good is translated

But it's hard though.

>>381447249
Jokes on you, I'm working with the deans at my local CC to get a Japanese foreign language class started.

I got through 140 unique cards before I took a break from 2k6k in Anki. Should I attempt to pick up from where I left off or should I restart it. I plan on reading Tae Kim with it as well.

>>381450434

Wait for all the foreigners to say, NO IT'S NOT I LEARNED IT EASILY, without any understanding of the effect that exposure through culture during formative years will have on language learning

t. linguist w/ decade's experience teaching EAP

>>381450625
I disagree, to me, the english is pretty hard, as well, it's more difficult than japanese, in special the phonetic.

>>381449994
Kanji literacy is actually tanking because everyone uses autocomplete on phones, people can read them but nobody can write without a computer.

>>381450465
Just because you want to justify the time you wasted it doesn't mean you're right

>>381450465
Notice the weaboo in denial, in its natural habitat.

>>381450763
>but it is unnecessarily complex
Not really. 60 years ago, maybe, just due to the hassle of writing out 20 strokes for a character, but in a modern world with computers? It's no more of a hassle than any language.
>and often trips up even native speakers.
This is where you went full retard and proved you have no understanding of Japanese, or even languages in general. The fact that people occasionally misspell words is not a reason to abolish dictionaries, which is what you're suggesting. Recognition and reproduction are two completely different abilities, which activate completely different areas of the brain.

Do you know why Japanese sounds so good in videogames? Precisely because I dont understand it

It's why English sounds just OK because it's my second language while my own language sounds complete fucking shit

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>he is a linguistic cuckold who has forsaken his mother tongue and is forced to speak the language of his superiors and overlords

>>381451159
And spelling rates across the world are tanking because of spellcheck.

What's your fucking point?

>>381447249
I don't want to complain about Kanji because i see it's useful.

But how do i learn it?
Type it 50 fucking times like the kids do at school while reciting the readings?
Give into the RTK and Kodansha meme?
If i want to be a fag, Anki?

I actually want to write moon runes so Anki wouldn't help that much.

>>381451303
Japanese sounds good because they have a solid dubbing industry due to a dozen factors. If you voiced your game with only radio performers, or real actors, it would sound just as good in any language.

>>381447542
>impossibru*
いぬぽしぼる*
Well, how is the newfaggot now?

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>>381450763
>>381450781

Ok let me explain to people unfamiliar with Kanji why it's so great.

When learning new words and you already know the kanji within it you can usually immediately guess or reason what the word is going to be about.

This gives Japanese and Chinese science and mathematics learning children a HUGE advantage over western children.

For example Electron=電子 電=electricity 子=child

When first reading about electrons you'll immediately know it has something to do with electricity and with being small/particle.

There are thousands of really smart ways this is done in both mathematics and physics all over Japanese and Chinese.

I am 100% sure THIS is the reason Why Kanji using nations are at the top of mathematics and physics globally. It's not because they are genetically smarter or better at it. It's because kanji makes it far easier for children and students to learn and understand concepts like this within one glance.

>>381451567
It's still you.

>>381451247
You didn't even answer my question

>no understanding of Japanese, or even languages in general

I speak 4 languages including Japanese...Godamn, I was just curious why you thought kanji was great

>>381447249
Whats the point of wasting your time now on learning Japanese when in 15-20 years tops we'll be able to upload languages into your brain via a neural link?

>>381449257
いやだ

Doesn't it take 3-4 years to get to a level where you can start reading novels in japanese?

>>381450956
>everything good is translated

that your retarded brain knows of*

>>381451043
Our various slangs don't make it any easier I bet.

>>381451492
When I started d out learning Japanese i had trouble too, i ended up using heisig and it's really useful for kanji.
I also recommend kanji koohii as heisig rewuires you to put stories and kanjikohii users do that for you .

>>381451173
>>381451223

Read my explanation here.

>>381451627

>>381450806
We're you doing the pneumonics?

Just anki and Tae Kim isn't doing it for me, not enough structure. I need something where I feel like I'm making good progress, not just seeing 5% completion on the deck after months of daily drills. Japanese Pod 101 seems like what I'm looking for, is that any good?

>>381451627
It's an interesting concept, but I think the reality is that asian kids are just worked to death in school and constantly compared against each other.

>>381448570
勉強する事 would be better

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>>381451773
>muh cartoon cp is worth spending thousands of hours learning a language

>>381450781
>>381450763
I feel like that guy is wrong in the sense that you don't need to master kanji to appreciate it. I am far from mastering kanji and if I try to read any sentence in full hiragana I get annoyed beyond belief.

In fact, the words I had the most difficulty with are simple kana words like ばっちり or たっぷり precisely because they lack kanji.

kaji it's hard, but is fun to learn.

>>381448457
Tones are piss easy.

>>381450625
t. native english speaker

>>381451713
Imagine having that much unfounded optimism in science.

You do realise how short 20 years is, right? And you're talking about something that won't even be at a concept stage in 50.

I gave up learning moon.

Learned Korean in about 4 months and just read my manga in K Translations. I also get to play Korean MMOs years before they get localized

>>381451915
Lolicon is not CP, it's pure love

>>381451795
>post pepe picture
Thanks for making sure everyone knows nothing you ever say matters.

>>381450956
>Waiting weeks/months while all the spoilers are out there
>Dealing with shitty dubs and "localization" changes
no thanks

>>381451537
>If you voiced your game with only radio performers, or real actors, it would sound just as good in any language.
this is the trick to it, the fucking hacks that are "video game voice actors" need to go

from hired a british theatre company to do the voices for dark souls and it worked damn well. probably cheaper than those entitled bay area faggots too.

>>381447396
Fire Emblem 4,5 and 12
Pokemon Card GB2
Boktai 3
Mother 3
Dragon Quest XI

>>381451795
yeah because we didn't adopt latin roots for scientific language to assist with just that

That's a decent reason, but there's also plenty of reasons that kanji could be eliminated, the pain points of abolishing them aside. I've had this linguistic discussion from both ends.

My problem is with you being a screeching faggot trying to assert that NO NO NO I STUDIED KANJI HARD AND I'M GOOD SO EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD SHUT UP KANJI HAVE TO STAY that I take issue with.

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>>381451627
I also need to tell people that I am an electrical and electronics engineer. And every time I learn a new science/mathematics concept I will read and learn about it in Japanese.

Because the explanation with Kanji is SO much better and concise compared to English.

It's really fucking funny when the exact same concepts that takes 10 pages to explain in English only had 5 sentences in the Japanese explanation.

I recommend EVERYONE that studies STEM or does anything technical to learn Japanese or Chinese just so you can understand those subjects better.

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What's the most retarded nonsensical language and why is it French?

>>381447249

I do the "ka" set and just stop there. I get distracted way too easily. what do I do?

>>381451492
Put the english on the front of the anki card and then the kanji and pronunciation on the back.

>>381452246
Well... You're clearly not Japanese... So why would you, he, or I get any say in the matter? Let the slanties decide.

>>381452182
>the fucking hacks that are "video game voice actors" need to go
The reality is that they will work for nothing, which is exactly what localisation companies want to pay, because they're all about that profit line.

There are plenty of good game dubs. One thing you'll notice immediately is that every single one of them is a native dub, though. Localisation budgets are effectively zero, which is why you get awful acting and translations done by interns.

>>381452351
If you get distracted that easily and can't get past it, self study will never work. Unless you have the money for a tutor you're fucked.

>>381452059
Korean is most easy than japanese, in Korean not exist the handwriting in kanji.

Literally the only thing you need to do to learn Japanese is get study to the point where you can read hentai. After that it is smooth sailing.
The scenarios in hentai are so varied I've learned about 3000 kanji in hentai ALONE.

>>381450664
Und hast du viel gelernt? Kannst du gut Deutsch?

>>381451795
Even English, the glorious catastrophe, does that to an extent. Their excellence is is due to a slightly better schooling system and a cultural inclination towards hard-working. Saying that they're better because they can quickly grasp that an electron is a child particle is, quite frankly, childish.

You could learn like 2 Western languages fluently in the same it takes to learn Japanese on basic level

>>381452351
You start with Kanji.

>>381447249
I have finished my japanese studies, I can read anything I want already.
I've been thinking about picking up russian though

>>381451798
Don't listen to Tae Meme, hes a wannabe jap who tries to be the "cool teacher" and gets everything wrong,
Just download Genki or look at IMABI.

Tae Meme also goes on reddit to do japanese dick measuring contests, in which he fails horribly at

>>381452453
weren't american video game voice actors on strike not long ago because they wanted more money, as if they didn't already take up way more budget than their mediocrity was worth?

>>381452059
>playing Korean MMOs

>>381452301
I speak Dutch,German,English,Spanish and Japanese.

And let me tell you. German has the most fucked up Grammar. Dutch has the most fucked up wording. And English has the most contradictory bullshit rules possible. Spanish has bullshit male/female words and all the bullshit that comes with it

Worst about Japanese language is the lack of multiples and future tense which means you have to guess a shit ton based on context.

Basically of the 5 languages I understand ALL of them have huge flaws.

>>381452520
Interesting.

>>381452301
J'adore
le petit chien.

>>381452649
That shit is still going on. Has been for what feels like years now

>>381452610
But everyone here already knows English, which is the only western language worth learning.

Hell, the rest will be dead in 50 years anyway and replaced with arabic.

>>381452580
I only studied for 2 months so I don't know that much yet

>>381451567
>>impossibru*
>いぬぽしぼる*

Jesus christ, at least use katakana

>>381447816

>Easier

http://www.yellowbridge.com/onlinelit/stonelion.php

>>381451798
Get basic grammar down and then just start reading things. Anki is useful in helping to reinforce and help you remember words since you're not constantly immersed in the language. If you're just looking at grammar guides and grinding vocab you'll burn out before learning anything.

>>381452580
Can you good German? Doesn't look like you can.

>>381450664
It starts with hiragana. Seems counterintuitive to me. I'd rather go the Anki route. Duolingo gets buzz because it makes learning feel like a game, but you'll walk out wit way less vocab and understanding of grammar than you would by reading textbooks and doing Anki.

Duolingo is not a solo platform. You have to use it supplementally.

>>381451984
Kek

>>381452489

Maybe I can discipline myself into self-study. I should take up meditation or something.

>>381452782
>English, which is the only western language worth learning
What about Russian?

How much kanji do I need to know to read loli porn VNs?

>>381452917
Joyo (~2000)

>>381451627
I dunno think you can probably guess electrons have to do with electricity in English too.

>>381451789
Heisig has no readings though, and RTK as a whole just seems placebo as heck.

Is writing it 50 fucking times the only way?

>>381452301
As a Slovak I can tell you our language is pretty fucking difficult, it was apparently ranked as one of the 5 hardest languages, the amount of complicated grammar and spelling is crazy.

>>381452893
Nobody cares about your country, tovarish.

>>381452893
>Russian
>western
They're as worth learning as Chinese.

>>381452893
Why? To strike a deal on natural gas import or to browse russian piracy sites?
Any non-retarded non-poverty struck russian already speaks english and they wish they didnt know russian since theyre a shit nation of people.

>>381452282
>English, the most concise language in the world is multiple times longer
Interesting fantasy

>>381453136
>>381453173
>implying
Russia will be getting stronger in the future
And learning Cyrillic is pretty easy, only grammar and phonetic is kinda hard

>>381453051
Just use Anki m8, that's exactly what it's for.

>>381452857
>Can you good German? Doesn't look like you can.

I see your knowledge of German is pretty much nil.

Kanji was literally invented to be hard to learn, to create an artificial divide between the rich and educated and women (in Japan) along with the poor.

>>381453275
Learning another language is always nice

>>381453309
>English
>concise

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Do you speak ANY language besides English? That's a fucking insane statement mate.

>>381453590

What do I do to take on that challenge and overcome it? I want to be the second guy who learns Japanese REAL good.

Is learning the stroke order for everything really that important? It's so boring.

Is there any actual benefit to being a polyglot or is it just something you can brag about? I currently know 4 languages, but 2 of those are very similar.

>>381453051
Heisig is weird. I hated it when I first tried it, I loved it and completed it on my second attempt.

It's a lot of work on the outset, but once you start burning through characters, it really compounds how well you can read and retain new words.

I honestly credit Heisig with my ability to read Japanese novels today.

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>>381453051
You don't learn the readings that's reatarded.
A word can have up to to 20 maybe more and chances are they're not used.
Heisig is to help you recognise the kanji so even if you can't say it you know what it means.
Also it helps familiarise you to kanji that's not in the book and trains you tio get used to it.
I was stuck writing the same kanji hundreds of times and learning the readings and got nowhere.

Don't do it I wasted so much time and paper.

You learn words as you read. And with it different readings. I don't even know readings for words but fron the kanji I know what's being said.

Sure people will tell you to just use anki, i did too but after heisig kanji doesn't scare me.

>>381453628
Google it, friend. Your ignorance is no excuse for prescribing superiority to a culture halfway across the world.

>>381453429
REMOVE POTATO

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>>381452817
I don't know how Onichan.

How hard is Korean? Koreans are way better then Japanese and I love starcraft. Should I try out Rosetta Stone?

>>381453590
And South korea abandoned it because they wanted the plebs to learn to write.
But still anons on forums say japanese is easy while googling about it would suggest learning it takes 7 years.

>>381453813
It helps with handwriting since some characters are very similar to each other.

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>>381453051
To anyone that wants to use RTK, use kanji.koohii as well. It's a goddamn lifesaver.

>>381453529
>Kannst du gut Deutsch?
Buchstäblich Asylanten Sprache.

>>381454051
Way easier with fewer symbols to learn

>>381454031
Its the same as hiragana except its for certain cases, such as non jap words or names.

>>381450434
actually it's incredibly easy because it's a phonetic language. the contradiction you are talking about is from writing conventions. things like "there/their/they're" and such. These are learned through rote memorization. But the actual language is neat because one you learn the sounds of the alphabet, you can sound out most words, which makes a powerful correlation in the brain between the string of characters and a word you probably already use in speech. Do this enough and depending on aptitude you will be reading fluently in a matter of months as opposed to years of study, rote memorizing thousands of characters.

English has some issues but phonetic languages are vastly superior. There's a reason it's the universal language of business.

>>381453897
I speak 5 languages and of those English is only number 4 (Dutch is worse) in being as concise as possible. German,Spanish and Japanese are all 3 more concise in explanations than English. I don't care what google says because I am fluent in all of these languages and spoke them for more than 10 years so I have lots of experience with using them in all kind of ways from professional to personal.

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>its not that hard
>its only The hardest language to master you've heard of
":D"

>>381447249
Are there any online communities or other websites I can use to practice/learn conversation? I can grind out kanji and vocabulary on my own, but I need some way to apply it.
Also, are there any games that I can play as an intermediate level student that would help me learn better?

>>381454110
Gewöhne dich daran

>>381454448
Thank God I'm not a native english speaker.

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Just get in already
https://discord.gg/scCuB

So besides being able to watch anime unsubbed, just what benefits are there to learning Japanese?

>>381454284
>english is a phonetic language with simple correspondence between the written characters and their sounds
English has one of the largest phoneme banks and has some of the least distinguishability between how letters correspond to a phoneme in a given situation. You can often get sometimes close, but the majority of the sounds as used properly are only learned through experience.

Take 'stop' for example. That 't' in native English is actually a 'd,' and chances are as a native English speaker you have no clue that you're actually saying 'sdop' beyond having been trained to.

>>381454545
>discord
gross

>>381454539
I wish I wasn't, the only languages you can easily learn starting from here are from the shit degenerate countries.

>>381454558
Understanding the deep, complex storylines of JAV to intensify your climax.

日本語をはなします!
本当に!

>>381452820
>http://www.yellowbridge.com/onlinelit/stonelion.php
those are tongue twisters, no one ever talks anything remotely like that

Chinese is MUCH easier than Japanese, it probably has the easiest grammar of any popular language and doesn't have THREE writing systems

>>381454607
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I clearly pronounce a T in stop not a fucking d.

>>381454558
Well you gotta fill the time somehow before you die so might as well use it on learning a language that takes the most amount of time to learn.
No need for that WoW sub to waste your life away anymore.

>>381454558
fucking japanese girls

>>381454558
2chan

>>381454726
>THREE writing systems
Anyone who posts this kind of shit doesn't know what they're talking about.

I don't have time to learn nip. I can understand enough to watch shonen though.

>>381454051
Grammar is a little more complex than Japanese.

The vocabulary is more fucked up to pronounce and there are a LOT more words in usage with more context to them so that's harder to learn.

The script is easy to learn and no Kanji. But Kanji isn't as hard as anyone here says. It's just dedication and takes some time but it's easily the easiest part of learning Japanese. So I think that in the long term it would be easier to pick up Japanese compared to Korean. Either way if you already speak one of them it's really easy to learn another one because they are from the same lingual family. Also keep in mind that most Koreans already speak English so the reason to learn Korean is really small with almost no benefits or job opportunities gained from mastering it compared to a Chinese dialect or Japanese.

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>>381454706
>平成29年
>『ます』で文章を終わる

>>381454918
Who the fuck wants to use a proxy just to browse an infinitely worse and slower 4chan?
Japanese people generally have shit opinions on everything. Not only that but their website design philosophy is stuck in 2007. Fucking nicodouga is disgusting to look at.

>>381454918

Is it 2ch or 2chan that doesn't allow foreign IPS to post? How easily will they be able to tell I'm a stupid foreigner?

>>381454607
Americans substituting the soft "d" for a hard "t" has literally nothing to do with the written language though. it's just a speaking convention. to a burger using the hard "t" would sound British.

This might be confusing to a non-native speaker with no english, i'm not sure. i think it's fairly clear once you acclimate to the American accent.

>>381452917
It doesn't even matter. Compound words are the real beef of this bitch.

>>381454814
Record yourself saying it. Isolate that part of the word and listen to again. I guarantee you're saying a 'd' - it's incredibly well documented.

>>381455119
2007 was objectively a better year than now

>>381447249
my brain shuts down as soon as it's time to grind vocabulary. It liked learning about language mechanics though

>>381454918
I thought Dvach is russian

>>381454448
This is what motivated me to learn other languages besides Japanese.

Thinking: Well I was able to master Japanese. That means I can master EVERY language with fewer effort from now on.

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>>381454558
Watching idol stuff and experience getting cucked in another language

>>381455075
That's the joke

>>381447249
nigger they have three separate written languages
one for themselves, one for shit they stole from china, and one for shit they stole from everyone else

>>381450717
wow the new evangelion movie sounds bad

>>381455276
>nigger they have three separate written languages
They are alphabets, not languages.. and 2 of them share exactly the same sounds and some symbols are even similar

>>381454448
>Japanese
>exceptionally difficult
lel with that baby tier grammar? It's even more simple than goddamn English. I find it very smooth to learn, easier than Russian, which I also attempt, with its three million permutations.

>>381455128
The argument was that English is a phonetic language, one that is easily sounded out and corresponds well to its writing system. My point was precisely the opposite, that it has an incredibly poor writing system for encoding the way it uses phonemes, and that presents great difficulty if you are to learn it non-natively.

>>381455040
I saw DJT guide and all but nobody explains how to learn Kanji. They just say to roll with it or do some "learn words not kanji" meme.

>>381455276

English has upper case and lower case letters. Hiragana and Katakana. while not used in the same way, are pretty much the same sort of thing.

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>can't focus
>get distracted

Just take a damn pill, anons.

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>>381449808
ありがとう

Alright, but just how long does it take to learn enough Japanese to be able to watch anime with no subs? Fuck that "7 years at least" bullshit. Nothing is worth 7 years of study.

>>381447396
You can order a japanese Nintendo 3DS or something and get japanese releases far sooner than Western releases, for example. Also you can read doujin.

>>381455249
わかったよ。
よくわかった。

>>381454448
Damn, are Slav languages really that difficult?

>>381447249
>learn jap
>play p5 on jap
>think its trash
>play withe dub
>sounds better
Its over for me
Still i enjoy a lot ffxv on japanese for example.

I don't feel like Anki is helping me at all honestly.
How's this book? https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Kanji-Kana-Complete-Writing/dp/4805311169

Wasn't there a really important scientist that tried to learn japanese but gave up after seeing how it was?

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>>381455119
Are you implying that modern webpage design is a good thing? It's an extremely bloated abomination of webdev *.js fuckery and other garbage, and the fact that there are retards out there celebrating it is horrifying.

>>381455671
Why would anyone high profile learn japanese? They usually value their time.

Japanese is actually pretty easy.
Just as easy as Korean.

The only difference is that Koreans don't use Kanji and the pronunciation is harder.

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>>381455529
死なないでね。

>>381454284
>>381454607
Actually, English might be a bit difficult for people who mainly speak language like Russian, because in those languages a certain letter is almost always pronounced the same way it is written while in English it often varies

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>>381455797
Is Nichijou a good manga to start reading to learn? I just finished the anime and I really enjoyed it.

>>381454558
Let me tell you what I personally gained from learning Japanese without liking anime and manga:

>I got to understand JAV
>I got to read hentai doujinshi and hentai games
>I get to play games like Nier automata earlier
>I got to teach English in Japan for 2 years with a sallary of about $30000, which was a really cool experience and made me more mature
>I got to have an engineering position and international contract with a Japanese Electronics company which pays 50% more than my national equivalent.

I don't like Asian women but during my 2 year stay in Japan I noticed that it was extremely easy for a westerner fluent in Japanese to date locals if they wanted. Let's say you get to add 2 points to your attractiveness for being Caucasian fluent in Japanese. So if you are a 6/10 guy you could date a 8/10 Japanese woman.

>>381447249
No. Grammar is piss easy but kanji can fuck off.

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>>381455671

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Why would you learn Japanese when you don't even know English?

>>381455928
I always hear that working in Japan is hell, especially as an english teacher.

>>381455434
I learned around 2000 kanji within a year with Wanikani (paid service). People are going to call me a shill. But I rather pay the $50 for a year and learn it really fast than save $50 and be one of those faggots that takes half a decade to learn the basic kanji.

>>381455928
>I got to have an engineering position and international contract with a Japanese Electronics company which pays 50% more than my national equivalent.
fucking this, learning japanese can get you a nice paying job. fuck anime and manga!

>>381455797
The "ne" was unnecessary.

>>381455935
>tfw it's the exact opposite for me

>>381455928

>I get to play games like Nier automata earlier

Not exactly the best example since the Japanese release already had full English in it. That's pretty rare to see though.

>>381456106
You don't understand Japanese at all you piece of shit

>>381455953
Sounds like a language hopelessly buried in tradition

Good for poetry, but the spoken variety today is probably more like vulgar Latin. No one has time for this shit.

>>381455627
If you can't remember things through Anki then buying a book like that isn't going to magically help.

>>381448126
難しいのは「Microsoft IME」の使い方だ。字のプレースメントは全然覚えません。

>>381455716
>It's an extremely bloated abomination of webdev *.js fuckery and other garbage, and the fact that there are retards out there celebrating it is horrifying.
At least it's faster than Nico douga garbage coding.

Japs can't code at all.

>>381455434
The hard way to do it is every time you see a new kanji write it 100 times, write it once from memory every time you practice it, and every time you get it wrong write it 20 times.

>>381455953
Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

>>381456023

How much English is someone supposed to know? I'm pretty sure I know well-enough.

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>>381455621
That's because the p5 Japanese cast isn't as good as the English ones
Se for all persona games.

>>381456235
I do.
You don't.

Also, nice argument.

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>>381456106
Crawl back into your figure-lined hole and choke on your pocky you dumbass weeb pretender.

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>>381455935
It's the opposite really, wait untill you move up.

>>381454545
that invite link is expired m8

>>381456361
Has anyone used any words you didn't recognize in this thread so far? If not then yeah I'm pretty sure too.

>>381456125
I share sour kimochi bro.

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>>381456235
The "ne" actually makes it sound corny as fuck.

>>381456289

How do you have it set up? The way mine is I just have to put in the romaji and press space to convert it to Japanese.

Am I being tricked into learning Kanji before Hiragana and Kata or is that actually good?

>>381456545
Again, nice argument.

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Who AJATT here?
>decide to get into AJATT 5 years ago
>have hiragana and katakana deck on Anki completed
>mostly audio immersion
>now i can watch pripara and cocotama without subs
>also i can watch hentai without subs
>mfw

>>381456257
Japanese people are just stupidly polite in general. No just their language, but their culture, behavior, societal systems,.and adherence to tradition all present this.

>>381456023
I use English more than my first language

>>381456634
None at all

>>381456092
It's as fun as you make it out to be.

I recommend only going when you know a good deal of Japanese. Because then you can make jokes with your students and chill with them after school to bond some more with them and genuinely put in the extra effort to ensure they learn propper English.

If you just go there to have a paid holiday with "boring mandatory teaching" then you are doing it wrong and will probably have a bad time.

Also go and drink out with your younger colleagues since they will be hugely interested in your culture and lifestyle!

>>381447249
it's kind of hard learning another language other than english because english is all you ever need or could want really

>>381447739

>english is the most retarded language to learn

Ftfy

>>381456786
Kanji is the hard part, Hiragana is a must if you wanna know how to read them though.

>>381456684
That's how it was intended you stupid dumpsterbaby

Are you legitimately fucking autistic? Do you actually think the panel you posted is supposed to have the same tone? Have you ever fucking spoken aloud to a person? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST OFF YOURSELF WEEB

>>381455953
It's actually the same word but with a "polite" suffix that doesn't exist in English.

There's nothing wrong with using the first see, especially if you know the person.

>>381456786

I mean, Hiragana and Kata were stolen and changed from Chinese letters. If anything, you're putting yourself into a huge advantage IF you can study Kanji hard enough. after that, Hiragana and Katana will be piss easy.

>>381456985
>>381456912
I fucking hate you /v/

>>381447627
Not only is the grammar more similar to english, they don't have 4 writings. Chinese is much easier than nip.

>>381456940
You don't say "Please don't die" in a corny way, dumb fuck.

It makes no sense.

>>381457080
listen guy it takes like 2-3 days MAX to learn hiragana and katakana so there's no reason to not do it early

isn't kanji what the chinese use? so basically you are learning two languages at once

>>381457080
Don't worry anon, >>381456985 is fucking bullshit. Don't listen to him.

>>381451760
The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago. The second best time is today.

>>381456879
>tfw I don't drink
It will be literally impossible for me to make friends in Japan.

Learning kanji is tedious, but at least it's regular. Learning slang, colloquial speech, and contractions is fucking awful though. Diving into google to try to figure out things from context is difficult. I wish I had a Jap friend to talk to naturally.

>>381457080
Every text book or self teaching guide I've ever seen teaches the kana first fucking thing. It only takes a few days.

>>381457234
Yes. And if you know a lot of Kanji you can usually read Chinese text with ~75% accuracy as well.

I do this a lot with Chinese cooking ingredients and stuff.

>>381457217
>anon posts that they want to kill themselves
>animu reaction image giving corny but cute support
>anon responds with cute animu image saying thank you
Look at the context you fucking mongaloid.

>>381448126
correction:

>日本語を勉強するのは本当にむずかしいと思うします

While your sentence made sense in context, were you speaking to an actual Japanese person, they may have thought you were being rude.

Japanese isn't hard. As with anything you're trying to learn, it just takes patience. Here's some books I use everyday, they're pretty cheap on Amazon or Kinokuniya if you live in NYC:

Particle handbook:

https://www.amazon.com/All-About-Particles-Handbook-Japanese/dp/1568364199/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498153915&sr=8-1&keywords=japanese+particle+handbook

Grammer textbook:

https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Japanese-Grammar-approach-learning/dp/1495238962/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498153940&sr=8-1&keywords=tae+kim%27s+guide+to+japanese

Everyday phrases and nouns:

https://www.amazon.com/Nihongo-Noryokushiken-Taisaku-matome-Vocabulary/dp/4872177312/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498154015&sr=8-1&keywords=nihongo+sou+matome

Also, get a tutor. By spending money on having someone test you and tell you when your fucking up will force you to improve since your spending hard earned money on the shit.

>>381457080
Do what I did: buy an android app called Dr. Moku. I learned all hiragana and katakana in 7 days, it is very easy. After that it is just recognizing them and reading them more quickly, so keep practicing. The pokemon games are all without Kanji because the pokemon games help kids learn Hiragana/katakana, so you can play those games on emulator if you want to practice more.

>>381457257
#woke

>>381457217
YOU'RE FUCKING AUTISTIC AND PEOPLE WILL NEVER MAKE SENSE TO YOU ENJOY DYING ALONE

>>381457234
That's like saying
>Isn't latin what the Italians use?
The characters are the same, but the use, readings, and meanings vary greatly over years of adaptation. There's a reason there are on'yomi and kun'yomi.

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>>381456576
https://discord.gg/2KgGF
I expected the thread to die by then

>>381457234
It's the same symbols and usually the same meanings, but the actual spoken word is a lot of the time different.

>>381456786
anything you use to learn kanji, probably uses hiragana to teach you the kanji readings so you wont be able to learn kanji without knowing kana

>>381447249
>it isnt that hard

Ok, in 50 words or less, explain the difference in using Wa and Ga

Hard mode: no referring me to a fucking chart

>tried to learn japanese using the anki deck and memrise
>learned some hiragana and words in hiragana etc
>start to learn kanji
>all those words i learned in hiragana actually use a mixture of hiragan and kanji
>give up and go back to learning german
ach

>>381457603
ga means the subject and wa is the topic

>>381448260
>what is context

Just doesnt exist in the japanese language, nope!

>>381448650
Wanikani.

>>381457618
>all those words i learned in hiragana actually use a mixture of hiragan and kanji
and what exactly is the issue here?

>wasting years of your life learning an irrelevant language when all anime gets subbed and dubbed and all good games get localizations

Why?

>>381457786
i was basically relearning words i had already done

>>381447396
Yakuza Ishin AKA the best Yakuza.

>>381447503
While not impossible it is definitely unwieldy and annoying.

>3 syllabaries
>kanji can be read different ways
>conjugations
>SOV grammar

Has anyone here tried a career in linguistics?
I mean as a polyglot teacher/translator etc, is it worth it?

>>381457806
what about the girls tho

>>381457695
subject and topic are synonymous you cunt

>>381457839
and how is that a problem?

>>381456824
More effective method is:
>learn Hiragana & Katakana
>learn grammar
>fuck off and read yotsubato or qualia the purple or watch some children's show
>after aquiring vocab and listening skills, fuck off and learn kanji
>6 months later
>Quest complete

(Optional)
>learn moar grammar and vocab
>learn moar kanji
>LEARN FUCKING CLASSICAL JAPANESE

Japanese language threads on /v/ suck balls.

It's always the same old shit every fucking time. I don't even need to read this to know there is the one guy or the few guys who show up to say ">learning a language for X haha lmao" or the guy talking about how kanji is shit and how the language needs to forsake it. Or the few guys asking how to start. Then there are the people shitposting about English as a first or second language, people shitposting about anki, people engaging in self pity and complaining they suck because they gave up/couldn't even muster the will to start. So on.

It's always the same. I just finished my daily reps and now I'm off to read my novel. Good luck being stuck in the same endless cycle instead of using your time to actually learn/practice.

>>381457618
At least you can read children's books.

>>381457406
>思うします

>>381457930
>6 months later
More like 6 years.

>>381457884
From what I heard, unless you know somebody, it is tremendously difficult to get work as a translator.

>>381457727
I mean, on one hand he has a point for the written language. Spoken language makes differentation of homophones through intonation. Context in Japanese is very, very loose though. You can just start sentences without "unnecessary" bits or stop them halfway because the rest is implied. It's fucking weird.

>>381448108
Good post.

>>381457451
>>381456940
Triggered

This is no longer necessary if you are only interested on playing games, nowadays most games get localized, with emphasis on games, not visual novels.

>>381457361
>Look at the context you fucking mongaloid.
I did. I still think the "ne" was unnecessary.
If that was the case, then you better have written 死なないでね(笑)
>>381457451
You mad?

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>>381447249
My dreams of learning the language was demolished when I found out how necessary learning and identifying the thousands of kanji are

>>381452059
You can literally learn to read Korean in like 15-20 minutes

>>381457806
So I can watch obscure old anime and tokusatsu. Not having to wait months for games to get localized is a plus too.

>>381457509
What anime is this slut from

>>381457618
Willkommen zurück, Kumpel. Deutsch eignet sich sowieso viel besser.

>>381457930
>LEARN FUCKING CLASSICAL JAPANESE
This was the most interesting thing I've ever learned and I'm glad I did. You get so much linguistic context on how modern Japanese came to be. Also reading shit like Genjimonogatari and Houjouki was pretty neat.

>>381457923
Wrong

>>381448795
>乏しい

え? 文法は貧乏になれるか? 初耳だ

Stop buying into the lazy angry weeb fantasies. Japanese is NOT difficult. It's very easy and if you're dedicated you can be near-fluent in just under 2 years.

>>381452504
>>381458226
Korean is very similar grammatically (if not equal) to Japanese.
The difference is the usage of Kanji.

>>381458014
思う死なないで、ですよねぞ!

>>381457308
Get to chugging that sake my friend

>>381458468
Tell me with detail what you did to become fluent in 2 years.

>>381457975
this really fucking hard. complete joke threads

>>381458468
Unless you have someone to talk to everyone day you're going to forget it.

>>381457806
Because I can get paid more in Japan doing the same work.

>>381450434
It's literally considered one of the easiest languages to learn because of the huge cultural exposure to it, it's also pretty forgivable and flexible. The hard part of english is its phonetic part, because it's full of retarded rules and arbitrary pronunciations, like how "live" can be pronounced differently to make 2 different words, with no special character indicating it

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>>381447898
>play vns

>>381454031
イムポシボル, well, how is the newfaggot now ? :^) (I'm not the same anon, but here you are, learn katakana, it's a bit harder than hiragana but i guess it's useful since japanese people use a lot of non japanese words.)

>>381458468
Just have 150 iq and live in japan while spending 10h each day learning japanese and you'll be fluent in 2 years.

Don't be fooled. I spent 2 years learning Japanese only to realize there's no game worth the effort. Video game writing is nothing special. If you really want to learn, make sure you're first interested in reading. Go read some English classics.

>>381458283
I really want to start this in earnest. Any suggestions where to start if you've already got modern Japanese down well.

>>381458676
Yup, welcome to the japanese learning threads, where people end up reading vns so they don't feel like you wasted all the time learning for nothing

>>381458768
>lazy NEET spends maybe, MAYBE a half hour a day grinding out anki reps (when he feels like it) and a few minutes looking up youtube tutorials, maybe some anime on the side
>WOOOOOOW FUCKING HARD LANGUAGE WTF 3 ALPHABETS!!!!! GG

>>381458581
I studied anki up to 2000 words of something. Alongside that I studied grammar. (I'm kind of a retard so I struggled with grammar for longer than most)
Then I read at least 3 hours a day, after a year I made a Japanese friend online and conversed with him a lot.

>>381458768
Nope. Honestly learning languages is really not that difficult. You just need to be willing to learn.

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>>381457509
Still dead

>>381455469
>upper case and lower case

They all sound the exact same though, with their purpose being differentiating shit like titles and names, and depending on what you're reading, may be used to express inarticulate yelling

>>381458581
>learn kata + hiragana (1 week)
>download anki + core2-6k (1 minute)
>use anki, download Japanese the manga way, read it (1 month)
>start reading 1-3 hours a day (2 years)

>>381457884
Being an instantaneous translator for the elite is extremely lucrative, but that requires a complete mastery of both languages. Working as a translator for video games or manga is most definitely a terrible fucking idea. Work is grueling, pay is shit, and half your peers will butcher the work, either intentionally or unintentionally.

>>381458014
何か問題がありますかアノンくん

>>381458581
I think you underestimate how long 2 years is if you put real effort in.

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>>381459130

>>381458924
Hiragana and katakana also sound the exact same and use for differentiating shit like italics and foreign words

Please close the thread

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Everyone complaining about Kanji difficulty is a whiny lazy faggot.

It's not even difficult it's just time consuming. Just because YOU can't muster up 30 minutes a day to practice kanji doesn't mean it's "oh soooo haaaaard".

Are you guys literal fucking niggers or something?

If you are able to learn hiragana and katakana (~100 symbols) within 3 days then you are able to learn the ~2000 kanji in 30-60 days. Lets say you learn 5 kanji a day then you still only need 400 days is just over 1 year to learn most kanji.

Don't be a fucking whiny faggot and just do your daily fucking learning and practice.

Every time I see a Japanese thread on /v/ (and in the past on /a/) it's just a bunch of whining. If you want to learn the language, just start learning the language. It's free and takes very little time.
Instead of getting frustrated and going to 4chan to complain, just keep reading. Every time I got discourage and felt like I was wasting my time I reminded myself that the only way I could improve was to sit down and read.

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ガンギマリ is my favorite Japanese word.

>>381459310
Well I'm italian.

anki is a goldmine for language learning as well as any exercise in long-term memory. can use it to memorise chemical formulas or equations or historical dates etc. but it's amazing for languages and vocabulary.

>>381459049
haha this is 100% true and I did exactly the same as you including Japanese the manga way.

I am also 2 years into Japanese now. Makes me mad how everyone ITT whines about this shit while it's literally as easy as you make it out to be. People just lack motivation because everyone on /v/ is a spoiled whiny lazy sack of shit.

I've noticed throughout my life that the only thing you need to do to be successful is not be lazy and just do the things you want to do and commit to them. That's all. No high-IQ or special lucky sauce needed. Just don't be a fucking lazy asshole and slowly work towards your goals day by day.

>>381459310

What do I do after learning Hiragana/Katana?