Will you be purchasing Xcom 2: War of the Chosen when it is released?

HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT UPCOMING VIDEO GAMES OR VIDEO GAME UPDATES

YOU SHILL

>>381433310
Probably not day-1, but yes, I will. I love me some XCOM

>>381433310
Probably. I'm about due for another run of that game by then.

Haven't tried the alien hunter shit, so I imagine I'm in for a tough one

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If I don't get a genetically modified snake lady with tail for legs I'll feel sad.

Looks a bit silly, but if the gameplay is good I'm in. Felt pretty burned on XCOM2.

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is it part dating sim yet?

>>381433310
Yeah but I hate the direction this expansion took

>Best part of Xcom 2 was acting like Space Isis and not the Cape shit of the late game
>Doubling down on Cape shit.

>>381433364
>ironic "how dare you"-meme
Kys

Probably not. I'm still sour about the whole "Timers. Timers Everywhere" thing. I completed the campaign but having no opportunity to set up overwatch ambushes, flank enemies or just properly position my squad because of turn limits sucked the fun out of it for me. I get that they wanted to counter overwatch creeping but they just forced rushing instead. I don't think any DLC could motivate me to do another playthrough.

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>>381433310
>purchasing

>>381434146
Yes actually. Soldiers can now bond together on the battlefield and achieve synergies like in Valkyria Chronicles

Yes because I liked Xcom 2 a lot despite the technical and optimization problems. Hopefully they shoot the expansion to the long war 2 guys early so it will be compatible on release.

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>>381434467
Theyre incorporating the mechanics from that mod. Where as long as youre stealthed the timer wont tick down.

>>381434826
Not him but sauce? I've only heard they will be increasing turn limit in a second wave like thing

>>381433310
Nah I want to fite ayys, not this kind of stupid shit. Nu-Xcom is dead to me.

>>381435093
But this is ayy

>>381434987

It's a new strategic map option. You can give orders on the map to alter what happens in missions, one of the options being a true concealment thing.

>>381433310

Day 1 buy for me, although I'm excited for everything BUT the Chosen themselves, who seem like annoying gimmicks.

>>381433310
Will they fix the retardet Rng in a perma death game or will they continue to be fuccbois? It depends.

>>381433609
You get genetically modified nolan north

Someone really needs to make a video about all the things that they will change. Xcom2 was a huge dissapointment with all of these game design choices. I couldn't even enjoy y it half as much as enemy unknown and that gamr had some very anoying thing in it

>>381436923
>anon is too dumb to comprehend 99% is not equal to 100%

evritim

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>>381433310
probably not day one but I'll pick it up for sure. Just the notion of rulers not being a colossal nightmare is enough, but the new stuff sounds cool too.

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>>381436923

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>more boss character crap
as if the alien rulers weren't bullshit enough

What made xcom 2 less fun?

The constant timers?

Probably not. I'll wait until christmas

I need to paint like 10,000 points of warhammer and get through my vidya backlog (breath of the wild, paper jam) and then I also plan on playing Mario XCOM and Odyssey this year too

I miss being unemployed with unlimited free time

>>381433310
Is it an enemy with style expansion pack or just one mission with a new enemy type and two guns?

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>>381433310
For sure I will. Never played with Alien Hunter and Shen's Last Gift either so I'll do it all in one.

>>381437481
They are getting nerfed pretty hard, also

>he doesn't have repeater on every gun

I have instakilled archon and zerker queen in 3 campaigns

>>381437701
EW style

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>>381437701
>XCOM® 2: War of the Chosen adds extensive new content in the fight against ADVENT when additional resistance factions form in order to eliminate the alien threat on Earth. In response, a new enemy, known as the “Chosen,” emerges with one goal: recapture the Commander. This expansion includes new Hero classes to counter the “Chosen”, new enemies, missions, environments and increased depth in strategic gameplay.

>>381437935
>he cheeses the game instead of installing mods that prevent rulers from being executed or remove repeater mechanics entirely

>EW style
Neat, I'll get it then.

I was really, really skeptical about the original XCOM reboot happening and when it did drop i felt resolved in bashing it with my other retarded purist posters.

It WAS basically an average game spitting on a series with a prestigious legacy. However, XCOM 2 actually surprised me, and maybe it was because i was ready to accept the fact that this was now a different game, but reading about the development of this expansion I have to admit that in the complete sea of shit that is modern videogame development, DLC and horrible nothingness expansions, these guys are at least genuinely trying to make a fun and polished experience. It's still not XCOM but it's way better from 90% of other games that have been coming out.

>>381438053
Using your smarts is cheesing?
Sorry you're so dumb that you had to refute with a greentext.

>>381437180
My only issue was the timer and the concept. Mechanically and gameplay wise I loved it. However the whole under dog resistence angle pissed me off. I love the idea of Xcom as a multinational paramilitary organization. Not some bullshit edgy rebels. Anarchy's Children exemplifies my problem with the game the most. Its absolute dog shit cosmetic DLC.

>>381438053
But then I would have to cry on maltanese basket weaving forum about how much the rulers are devastating my virgin ass

>>381433310
Fuck yeah I'm hyped!

>>381438160

It's not smarts. You know this. Don't bullshit it.

Killing rulers with repeaters is basically an exploit and it is my hope they'll patch it out, along with making sure you can't instakill (or remove from the map) the Chosen.

>>381438420
>15% chance at best
>exploit

kys

>>381434418
how dare you speak to me

>>381438648

It is. You're being dishonest. 15% to instantly kill a "boss" character with every shot (as you said you equipped it on every soldier) is way more likely than you're saying.

You're also missing the point. Instantly killing an enemy that's supposed to be tough with RNG on the first turn isn't fun nor is it a show of "smarts." It's just deeply disappointing.

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>>381433310
No. They fucked up on XCOM 2s mission design and enemy AI. The first was cozy besides the rescue missions while the 2nd was just stressful. I'd rather play missions where I'm not given some ridiculous turn limit and the AI doesn't magically know where I am/where to patrol at set intervals when I'm still hidden. Maybe there are mods to fix this but that requires buying the game to apply and it's still $60 USD on steam.

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Yes, been having a lot of fun with the game so far. My biggest hope is that they fix a lot of the bugs and shit as well. And that my favorite mod will still work with it.

>>381439542
Is there a skin mod for Grills, too?

>>381439957
But of course.

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/64634-xcom-2-mod-index/

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>>381440085
Thank you, Anon!

>>381434654
So love can bloom on a battlefield after all.

>>381435210
humans with purple skin and batman-voice don't count as aliens

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>>381440306
You're quite welcome.

>>381433310
no

tell me about relationshipos?
How much faggotry will be there?

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>>381433310
Yeah, probably day 1.
Post some of your XCOM screens, lads.

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>>381441518
okay

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>>381439542
Exquisite taste anon. Have you seen his Gilgamesh mod for Civ VI?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LUZ4WYS-TA

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>>381433310
Nope. Pre-purchased the real XCOM sequel.

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>>381441518
First and last time getting shot down by the ayy lmao.

Sent my rooks to die because I was very unprepared for it. RIP.

>>381433310
yes I will, even if I think the chosen ones look dumb as shit

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>>381437481

>>381441172
it's not actually relationships, it's just some characters will be "compatible" with others and when they go on missions they increase that compatibility which unlocks certain abilities

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>>381442020
>not getting both

>>381442020
Game?

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>>381441518
>target group of Advent soldiers with Technician's rocket
>it violently veers off-course and kills a group of civilians
It's weird how there's no consequences for murdering civvies.

>>381442020
what that?

>>381442020
>set to release 2019

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>>381442271
That's because all collaborators must fucking hang

>>381437553
And the lack of 'vibe' that they seem to go back to with this expansion, the first one had a lot more 'not entirely spook but close enough' vibe going on

>>381442043
literally the hardest mission in the game

>>381433310
Why would I buy xcom 2 when open xcom is around and xenonauts 2 are coming soon?

did you guys see the assassin trailer? pretty much "alien" batman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRLOkk-Lhdw

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>>381442203
>>381442274

>>381433310
Most likely.

I look forward to all the neat things that are getting added, and plan to be disappointed by the things they still aren't adding.

What're some good tacticool XCOM-likes without the sci-fi setting?

>>381442571
Pretty much this. Also, Phoenix Point.

The first nu-XCOM was alright, I suppose. Good enough to play through once, but it frankly didn't convince me I needed a sequel to it either.

>>381442598
>Underwater missions are a reward

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>>381443027
>Firaxist still hasn't made underwater missions but it doesn't get called out

>>381443027
>>381443131
Funny enough the ending of XCOM2 basically told us we are heading into the sea.

>>381442598
>kickstarter
No thanks, already got burned by Star Citizen and Torment.

>>381443204
>Funny enough the ending of XCOM2 basically told us we are heading into the sea.
And then we got this bullshit expansion with human recolour aliens. On land.

>>381442160
Nice. So you can do team-up moves with them and they give each other buffs?

>>381442815
Silent Storm

>>381443280
We're going to the bottom of the ocean for the sequel I meant. Pretty sure the new expansion doesn't go beyond the final mission.

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>>381443260
>I'm too stupid to tell the scamstarters from the good devs
It's okay, there's plenty of us wise gamers to finance all the good vidya even without you.

>>381443304
they haven't talked much about it, the only ability they talked about was 1 unit sacrificing their turn to give their friend another 2 moves

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>>381442271
Wish there were more customization options/mods to make your troops look like droids. My head-canon is XCOM's been able to manufacture cheap robotic soldiers to support the very few human operatives they have left.

>>381443394

Remember when everyone thought Schafer was a "good dev" who just got screwed by publishers?

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>>381443304
We VC now.

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>>381443412
>1 unit sacrificing their turn to give their friend another 2 moves
Sniper City boys. Headshots all day every day.

>>381443368
Thanks bud.

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>>381443368
Cheers anon that looks good.

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>>381443504
Remember when there were people who even then knew the truth about him and Obsidian and tried to warn you reactionary dipshits?

>>381443412
They've also mentioned stuff like both units firing on the same enemy.

no, I don't even have xcom 2 because the first one was such a god damned trainwreck.

the bureau 2 when

>>381443851
(You)

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>>381443504
>tfw he tried to warn us

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>>381444010

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>>381443498
Pls no die thread.

>>381433310
Shillelagh

>>381439105
>>381438648
it's true
the probability of you getting at least 1 repeater kill with a squad of 6 is essentially the chance for none of your characters to trigger a repeater kill, which is calculated as such:

1 - [(the chance not to trigger a repeater kill) ^ (number of squadmates)]

or

1 - (0.85)^6 = 0.6228 blahblahblah

so just over a %60 chance to instakill.

>>381444164
>>381444010
>le shitty grifter was on our side!!!
there is nothing more retarded than this meme

>>381433310
>Will you be purchasing Xcom 2: War of the Chosen
Yes.
> when it is released
no.

Busy playing backlog. I really enjoyed X-Com Enemy Within, have not played 2 at all, looking forward to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upS0wiQ57Ss

The idea that they think people want "sooper serious xtreme"aliens instead of lobstermen with plasma canon is idiotic.

Don't like that they're pandering to the tacticool Chernobyl gas-mask and realistic Navy Seals crowd.

And the last DLC was mediocre, overpriced, and didn't add much to the base game.

It feels like such a waste. I bet this won't even be some kind of continuation and instead, like Enemy Within, will just augment a new game with a bunch of shoehorned stuff that doesn't matter. Even the new bosses just seem like retooled ruler so far.

One of the problems I had with XCOM zwei was that the game was just so.. ugly. Like purposely it looks like shit. The first was so clean and pristine.

>>381438029
Reapers, Skirmishers and Templars are the most unimaginative and boring faction names.

The world always had a slight campy b-movie charm to it. Instead we get some quality dead horse names straight out of a generic science fiction game.

>>381442557
If it happens late enough in the game and you get lucky with the target placement, you can cheese it with a squadsight sniper and a couple of throwaway rookies.

>>381439482
>he didnt get the true concealment mod
kek

>>381446096
Seems like most people encounter it right when they're still developing early stuff which makes it very damn hard.

>>381433310
Yeah, sure. Already loved the base game and it sounds like Jake's fixing most things that were wrong with it.

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>>381445891
>Don't like that they're pandering to the tacticool Chernobyl gas-mask and realistic Navy Seals crowd.

>>381443498
new guy to xcom here. Is that armor a mod, or is it in the base game?

>>381446327
Chestpiece is vanilla, everything else in the pic is from multiple mods. Want me to post 'em?

>>381446442
yeah that'd be cool, just getting into xcom 2 since my friends said it would be cool and I'm looking for good mods

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>>381444952
My Soldierfu.

>>381446541
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=618977388
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=619706632
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=729351665
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=636400624
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=621966098
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=620530611
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=650731226
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=772019443
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=663304695

Should be most of them.

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>>381445891
There's always mods to counter the "Chernobyl gas-mask and realistic Navy Seals" thing.

>>381446541
Get true concealment and don't be afraid to reload saves. You may even need a reseed mod since reloading and taking the same shot has the same result.

Once you get better and know the game you'll reload less and hopefully stop savescumming

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>>381446668
Here's my obligatory "me" character that people make on every XCOM playthrough and try their hardest to keep alive.

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>>381447037
>actually, unironically telling people to savescum
>actually telling people to get true concealment on their first campaign
This is why /v/ can't have nice things, I guess.

>>381447263
Funny, I try my least to not get that character killed

>>381447263
Looks like someone who does the dirty work. My "me" character actually died during my first mission because of my stupid choices.

>>381447383

Savescumming is fine for a first playthrough. Using a fucking seed mod so you can just keep taking a shot until it hits and don't have to readjust your strategy is full retard.

>>381434418
>angry about memes
>posts Kys meme
nice

>>381447383
>Don't savescum.
>Research stupid tech and build stupid shit.
>lose hours and hours of your life because you didn't know good resource management.

Your the epitomey of telling people not to save in a Bethesda game cause ironman mode on your first playthough is really gonna make you like the game.

I would know it happened to me with EU

>>381447828
that's why i said first playthough dumbass. Maybe it's his first tactical shooter and he's gonna lose his one good squad cause he doesn't know about swapping people around, it doesn't mean reload everysingle shot.

Maybe he shouldn't get a squad wipe because the sectopod is and it surprised him cause he doesn't know what it is. You learn to roll with the 99% misses, new players would rage quit and call the game shit

How's Long War?

I just beat XCOM 2 and liked it, but War of the Chosen isn't something I plan on paying full price for and I want some more.

>>381447024
I b-bet you could fill your whole m-mouth with that nipple haha

>>381448294
It's very long.

Played for about 5 hours yesterday and only had one proper "mission" appear, all the others were infiltrations which are kinda gay IMO.

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>>381433310
yeah

I already sank quite a few hours into vanilla and recently got into mods.

Looks like a good chunk of content. I just hope they set a realistic price. 40$+ is too much so it better be cheaper than that.

Skirmishers sound interesting since they will are Advent rebels and will have the alien lords extra turn ability at high levels.

And Soldiers relationship thing seems cool.

Nutshell. Could be fucking awesome. Could be an unbalanced hot mess.

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>>381447003
>>381447037
Thanks, have a rare todd

>>381448487
They said they'll buff SPARKs and rebalance a bunch of other shit too which is pretty neat.

>>381448453
I don't necessarily mind that. I just want to know if it's got bullshit, or screwy bugs. I'll freely admit I've modded out certain things XCOM 2 has that spoiled it for me, and Long War seems like it might warrant the same..

I modded out timers completely, full-cover viper grabs, ruler reactions only on aggressive actions now, and changed back to the EU style of rolls. Mock away.

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>>381448838
why don't you just save scum or play the game on super easy?

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>>381437220
Non dude its about my unit eating a 3% crit while missing half of his 80% hitchance shots.

It's about beeing forced to restart levels untill you learn learn them because often times you cant play defensive because you are on a timer. (Which isn't that fun either)

I want to be able to complete a level without anyone ending up death with a tactical approach and not by learning where the fucking enemies will be by replaying the shit over and over.

You might be a masochist that like hammering his head against the wall but I am not. Xcom enemy unknown had the same problem but it wasn't as bad.

Also the decision to let the aliens take over the eRth and you are some underground shutter running around was bad. Why would the fkn aliens that have gazillions of ships that could pulverize the earth infiltrate and run their fkn governments/military. It's retardet as fuck and takes all the tension out.

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>>381448421
Imagine giving him a thorough wash and massage after he comes back from a rough mission.

I still don't understand how I'm supposed to approach alium pods. You can't overwatch crawl, am I supposed to use ths scanner grenades?

>>381448838
Haven't actually encountered anything that's pissed me off so far (still really early-on in the game yet so that could change later when shit like rebalanced Sectopods and the new aliens show up).
I like the extra Advent enemy variety so far though, forces you to really think about which targets you wanna take out first based on their strengths/weaknesses, etc. Definitely prefer it over vanilla campaign.

>>381449042
Did anyone around here actually complete xcom 2 and liked it ?

Can you tell me what was good about it because I quit half way throught.

>>381449187
That's comforting to hear. I'll give it a shot. Some of the autistic squad management stuff seems right up my alley.

Yeah, XO version was great fun, so I will definitely buy this too.

>>381433310
Probably not, considering I don't own X-COM 2. That said, I'll probably pick it up in the summer sale if it's cheap, because I started EU/EW for the first time recently and it's extremely fun.

>>381449219
>Did anyone around here actually complete xcom 2 and liked it ?

Yes, plenty of people.

>>381449219
I did and yes. Stop thinking a few whiners on /v/ are everybody.

>>381449219
Lots of people

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this sectoid looking motherfucker complained about turn timers at first, but got over it and made the game his bitch
what's your excuse /v/?

>>381449219
it was ok. Endgame was not as good as early and midgame, but still worth playing imo

>>381450428
>Made the game his bitch
>Got assfucked by LW2 and quit 2 missions in

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>>381450569
Doesn't change the fact that he raped LW1 so hard that Johnny Lump balanced his mod around him

>>381450825
And now he can't do it again now that people are actually trying to counter him

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When will this madman be stopped?

>>381434174
That's still my biggest gripe with the game. I liked the idea of you essentially working tooth and nail to fight a group seven times your size in both manpower and resources, slowly building your way up to their level. Instead even at your lowest point you have a stolen giant carrier or whatever. And soon enough everyone is covered in neon. It was disappointing.

>>381450428
I miss this fuckers Ironman Impossible vids.

His Live and Impossible are too long to digest.

>>381451052

Hopefully never.

>>381451168
He streams Long War 1 on twitch every thursday at 5pm PST ish still

How early can you start getting better armors? Feels like it's taking forever to be able to upgrade my stuff.

>>381453135
Like, second month.

>>381438029
Skirmishers are the worst faction name I've ever fucking heard.

>there are people who think nuCOM is bullshit when they have never witnessed ufo defense

baka https://clips twitch tv/HeadstrongObservantBeeGOWSkull

>>381453135

Once you get the armor upgrade you'll wish you hadn't. It's so ugly.

>>381453479
How?

>>381433514
I'm in my first playthrough, picked it up with all the dlc when it was 70 percent off last week and left the alien hunter shit turned on, Christ I'm getting my shit pushed in

>>381453695
And then you get to power armor and it's fine again. I rush power armor for this reason.

>>381453776
rushed tech from nigga market i guess, you can cheese psionics this way too

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>>381434146

>ywn fight off an alien snek lady invasion by furiously masturbating in their direction until they get uncomfortable and leave.
>Except for a few that seem curious.

>>381453643
agreed. but their turn between turn ability is gonna break the game. Its like they are doubling down on alien lords dlc.

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>>381454207

>>381454282
I also like the design and idea of the Skirmishers myself, but I still can't get over the fucking name.

Say what you will about the originality and edginess of Reapers and Templars, but at least it's not Skirmishers.

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>>381454207
Considering they love to coil up your troops and get frisky, I doubt that would bother them. Hell, they likely have harems of captured male humans in their lairs.

I can't wait to get to a mission with them and see how these guys look wrapped in their coils.

>>381438113
They are different games and it's better to judge XCOM and X-COM separatedly. Also, I've read about the reboot development process and Jake Solomon actually tried to make it more like X-COM but it wasn't working for new players.
Anyway, keep out for Phoenix Point, it looks like Gollop just took whatever he liked from XCOM and scrapped the rest with stuff more similar to X-COM games (all of them, apparently, there's even an extra goal on their crowdfunding to have underwater shit like TFTD)

>>381454827
I'm legitimately concerned for how much of a faggot you are.

>>381454827
>juicy advent burgers.jpg

>>381443368
panzerkleins were a fucking mistake

>>381454985
I wish I had no other cares so I could be concerned about such minutae.

>>381455031
Made from Grade A+ prime beefcake.

>>381433310
wont even pirate it, my pc is too weak

>>381434654
is this real or are you just joking?

>>381443394

>Backed Shantae, FTL, and Blasphemous
>Got decent games 2/3 times
>Blasphemous already has a lot of assets created, enough for a demo.


Protip, if there's no demo
If they aren't showing very much AT ALL
It's a scam

>>381455508
its real.

Not sure about the love but their will be buffs or skill bonuses learned.

>>381455508

It's real.

>>381433310
No. It didn't have the same enjoyment for me as the previous one. I never even finished a full campaign. I just got bored of doing the missions over and over.

>>381455508
http://www.pcgamer.com/xcom-2s-huge-war-of-the-chosen-expansion-detailed/

There will be DD like quirks too

>>381455894
>>381455637
Nice, very nice.

>>381455637
>>381455667
oh dang, i thought for sure this was some bogus 'that kid' style rumor

>>381434146
that's in the persona expansion.

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>>381458720
>bonds
>follow-up attacks with your buddies
>fighting your operatives' shadows
This IS the Persona expansion.

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>>381440462
No.

>>381454827
Yo who's been filling the protein shakes with HRT?

>>381458948
it all fits

https://mobile.twitter.com/SolomonJake/status/874012798216413184

>>381433514
If you dont have one of the special gimmick weapons equiped at all times then prepare your anus. otherwise they arent too challenging

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>>381461246
Whoever it was, find them and give them a promotion.

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i like combat part but managing your shit base is fucking torment, i wish there was a skirmish mode or campaign without that bullshit

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>>381433310
I'd buy it even if it was a £60 transgender cockbulge DLC because X-Com is one of the few games that still exists that I enjoy.

DID THEY FIX THE FUCKING PERFORMANCE ISSUES AND CINEMATIC SHIT TRANSITIONS?

>>381462836
No idea if it still works but try wave xcom, also challenge mode is coming

>>381450910
>full freedom to develop ruleset to create limitations specifically to fuck a guy
>guy who has to operate within that ruleset designed to fuck him gets fucked
gee I wonder how this happened lol

>>381463484
It's called adapting to the new rulesets

>>381462860

There's a patch coming for everyone with the expansion.

For the forced cinematics, just use mods.

Eldin is a nigger

>>381448615
rebalance for base game should be done on the base game, not on a fucking xpac that you have to buy in addition

>>381464921
But sparks are hot garbage

>>381449004
because that wouldn't be the same thing, dumbfuck

>tfw xcom2 with EW music

robojumper is saviour of X2

>>381433310
Definitely, I loved XCOM 1, Enemy Within, and XCOM 2, so it's a day 1 purchase for me.

Probably not.
XCOM 2 grated on my nerves immensely.
XCOM was far too easy, due to the limited mechanics, so to fix it they.... doubled down on the mechanics while generally making enemies stronger and more numerous. Eh.
It's not the worst game I've played, i would even say I enjoyed it. But the game tested my patience far too much.

They need to get rid of the goddamn soldier gear/skills are tied to experience bullshit. Just make soldiers get better the more they're used.

Don't fucking gimp me by not letting my guy carry a second rocket launcher because he hasn't killed 50 ayys yet. Gimp him because he's weak and carrying a second rocket launcher reduces his movement by 2 and gives him an additional -10% AIM when on Overwatch.

>>381465276
>has to make the game easier with mods
>won't decrease difficulty

Git gud Familial

>>381465840
>less chance to hit

That's the last thing this game needs.

>>381464921

The DLC is already balanced with the base game. :^) They're rebalancing the DLC content to fit in with the new expansion content.

>>381465840
Get Long War, it pretty much fixes all of your gripes.

>>381466098
If I'm being honest, I don't think I'd be truly satisfied unless they just remade the original's mechanics.
2 actions* per turn is just so limiting there's not much you could do to make the game less about supersoldaten and more about a big squad of soldiers who die when they get shot.

*actually just move and shoot or shoot

>>381464921
>thinking the changes are only for expansion-buyers
You are a stupid cunt aren't you?

I was playing XCOM 2 and I suddenly realized that basically all the enemy types annoy the shit out of me

>>381442160
Wouldn't stop me from calling it X-Com2: War of the Waifu. Because you damn well know it is a matter of time they give your MU-Avatar the ability to 'bond' a bit more intimately than your average xcom soldier.

>>381466321
No it fucking doesn't.

It triples the difficulty while still requiring you to have veterans while making them even more fragile and easy to lose. A fleshwound may as well be a fatality because you won't see them again for 8 hours and they're not gaining any experience.
Two actions per turn still devolves combat into take the risk of shooting and missing and having one of your dudes die or use high explosives.

By the mid game my roster was one sniper, one medic, one engineer, and three heavies, because anything less just wasn't a guarantee and squadsight is OP. Blow up everything as soon as it spawns or someone dies.
And that's how it was in the originals, sure, but a dead veteran was an "Ah shit" moment, and then you moved on and hired another dozen rookies. A dead veteran in nuXCOM is crippling.

>>381463562
if a ruleset is designed explicitely to destroy you it will destroy you.

there are no limitations on what can constitute a rule, but by definition to play a game you have to operate within those rules. Taken to the extreme, if you make it so aliens have 100% accuracy and squadies have zero, there is no amount of "adaptation" that will ever bridge that gap. You will never hit anything and they will always hit you. You can create those rules, but when playing within them there is nothing you can do about it.

Satisfyingly hard games are about creating seemingly insurmountable odds while putting in a series of clever mechanical interactions that can be exploited to keep the player beating the odds even when things look dire so long as s/he is careful and meticulous in his/her planning

the LW devs got a little too excited at seeing someone rise to their challenge, and lost sight of that important design tenet. In LW2 they've produced a slog that specifically punishes the people they're trying to cater to.

>>381465924
>Git gud meme
opinion discarded

>>381466170
what do you mean?

>>381466486
that's what they said, mong

>>381466325
I wish they'd change how many enemies can do three things in one turn, or two attacks in one turn, while all my guys can only either move then do something or only move or only do something.

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>>381433310
Finally figured out Commander Ironman last week and blasted through it after about 15 resets

I'll absolutely be playing War of the Chosen, I'm liking the amount of randomization they'll be throwing in here

Most of the other DLC looked like garbage - this reminds me of Enemy Within, they said it's 2x the content of Enemy Within so I'm hype as fuck

>>381467179
Whenever a dev releases an expansion/DLC and said update includes balance changes, those changes are usually available to ALL players.
Do you even play videogames?

>>381467020
After the next update Git Gud

>>381467504
spark DLC came out a year ago, why didn't they apply these simpe buffs already? It's fucking dumb even if they patch the base game on 29th aughus

>>381461804
He'd better pick Kawakami.

Here's something I don't understand. How does Long War, or really any new game without the tutorial turned on, factor in the first mission? Does the Commander just exist?

>>381467020
>what do you mean?

The SPARK/Ruler DLC is supposed to already be balanced with the base game (of course we all know it's not). WotC though has new content that they'll have to adjust the previous DLCs around.

I don't think it's guaranteed they'll bring all changes over like the SPARK buffs, which look like they're made to work with the expansion content. They'll probably make the ruler changes (no guaranteed reaction, different quest to unlock rulers) universal since that's the DLC everyone bitches about.

Are any of the DLCs that are already out worth getting?

>>381445891
>not wanting your soldiers to be operator as fuck
Shit taste desu

>>381467483
a buddy of mine is trying commander ironman and can't fucking crack it

any major things to keep track of that helped you when shit finally "clicked"?

>>381467985
>Does the Commander just exist?

No, (You) were still saved by Bradford. You just don't have to "play" through the prescripted mission.

>>381455442
Then just do what I do, and play it on PS4.

Never played an Xcom game, should I buy it on steam sale?

Sell me on it.

>>381468319
Tacticool AYYLMAO killing
Infuriating RNG rolls sometimes
Remove AYY

>>381468002
At the moment none really, alien rulers comes with most stuff but it brings bullshit minibosses, if you want that go for it

>>381462860
They never will. They didn't fix them in the previous game, and they didn't focus on preventing them in XCOM 2. Making sure shit is optimized and runs properly seems to be pretty low on their priority list.

>>381468319
Xcom Enemy unknown/within: kill alien invading earth in tactical turn based squad battle pushing technology new,aquired and combined to its limits.

Xcom 2: xcom 1 victory was a dream. same stuff but more timers but rebalanced and more crazy power. Mobile base and generally more rushed feel.

>>381468002
Rulers and Shen's Last Gift are good. May as well just grab the Reinforcement pack.

>>381468856
Where can I start?

>>381468083
Sure, plenty

Build GTS first, then AWC
Advanced warfare will keep your troops from getting wounded and out of the fight constantly. That's the biggest issue I had upfront

First major upgrade should be magnetic weapons. People like armor to be 'safe' but nothing is safer than killing enemies before they shoot

THE MOMENT YOU KILL A MUTON, AUTOSPY HIM. This gets you increased grenadier range and plasma grenades

Mimic Beacons. Carry 1 or 2 for each mission to bail you out if you get caught out of cover or flanked by a big guy

I personally ran with 2 grenadiers, 2 rangers, and 1 specialist/1 sniper the majority of the game and it went fine, but Psi Ops are STUPID OP once you train them enough, so get a psi lab early if possible.

Dont worry about the AVATAR timer too much, since you get a countdown of 20 days after it fills up and you just need to raid a base to remove it,

I would start a commander ironman run with the 1st mission resulting in no deaths.

Also if someone happens to get poisoned/burning near death just fucking evac them, better safe than dead

Finally, USE THE ENVIRONMENT. On a rooftop and you're flanked? Blow the ground up from under them. Now you have height advantage and they just took fall damage and cant reach you. That being said, don't be an idiot and group 4 guys next to eachother on a roof. spread em out.

Ayys are not that scary, so ive found. Their first action is almost always psi zombie. gives you 2 full turns to kill them

>>381469046
thx m8, I'll pass em on

it comes out on the same day as mario xcom and that doen'st have any of that annoying shit that xcom2 has in it where you have to do a dumb rescue mission or lose comms or something, so i think i'm just gonna play some of that instead

>>381468319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU8rxUrl1kU

>>381469268
That looks fun.

Can I just start 2 then?

Digital Deluxe comes with the game and most of DLC right?

>>381469887
Dont bother with Digital Deluxe, most of the DLC is just mediocre and the King Creatures will fuck you up first playthrough

You don't need to play XCOM 1 to enjoy XCOM 2

I prefer 2 because it's got a lot of gameplay elements upgraded and tweaked, especially with environmental damage, destroying cover, etc.

HOWEVER. People bitch about the 'timers' on XCOM 2 a lot. I never found them to be a huge deal, but something to consider.

You cant go wrong with either. If you're getting XCOM 1 get the DLC, if you're getting XCOM 2 don't bother

I most certainly will. It's not really the expansion I wish the game was getting, but it looks like it has the potential to be cool enough anyway. I'm not too keen on the Chosen themselves, though. I like the general idea but I don't quite want the game to devolve into a long stream of I'M GOING TO WACK YOU ACROSS THE GOB M8, I SWEAR IT ON ME AYYLIEN MUM

>>381470314
What if I like a challenge?

It's only 5 dollars more and I can always disable the DLC.

>>381469887

You can start with 2. It's arguably better than 1. The DLC is nice to have, but I'd seriously disable Alien Kings for an initial playthrough. They'll fuck you up without warning and are meant for players who already know how to best exploit the system just to get by. Shen's Last Gift is good though, provides a really neat mission and an extra class. Anarchy's Children is worthless though, since you can download all the cosmetics you could ever want off of the steam workshop for free.

>>381433310

shouldn't this be part of the season pass?

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>>381470314
>People bitch about the 'timers' on XCOM 2 a lot. I never found them to be a huge deal, but something to consider.
Oh yeah, when you are on timed mission you must NOT make a tiniest mistake that would cause a single turn delay, otherwise you are guaranteed to lose a match without some heavy savescumming.

>>381470510
I don't agree with that Anon, I think the DLC at a discount as certainly not too bad. One is just a mostly useless set of bad customization tools, but the other two add legitimate content that is going to be rebalanced and buffed/made more fair for the coming expansion anyway.

>>381469046
>Ayys are not that scary, so ive found. Their first action is almost always psi zombie. gives you 2 full turns to kill them

Except they get to attack after they use zombie so it's still only 2 turn..

>>381470712

>not bringing specialists

With specialists all you need to do is get him within sight of the objective.

>>381470510
Actually do not disable missions from dlcs if you get them because those fuckers will appear out of nowhere

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>>381470712
I beat it on Commander ironman dummy, cry more.

If you keep one Ranger concealed to scout out the front lines you can constantly run forward without any trouble. I generally would beat missions with 3-4 turns remaining once I got the necessary troop upgrades.

Overwatch turtling in XCOM 1 was fucking boring and I hated it.

>>381470712
>>381470885

The timers are fine but i agree they should be optional. or at least have some expanded settings.

>really enjoying iron man run.
>escort going great
>random shot destroys evac point
>new evac 3 turns away with 2 turns left.

Cool but literally killed that run for me.

>>381471209

>Overwatch turtling

Yeah, I fucking hated that as well. Timers aren't perfect but holy shit I'd rather take a loss because of a turn timer than move forward one pixel and get blown away by a ton of aliens.

>>381433310
Yes. It is the only thing from E3 that made me happy. I love XCOM, and while the Chosen's art direction isn't something I'm big on, I'm still interested if Jake isn't lying out of his ass and promising it'll be bigger than what EW was to EU.

I haven't played LW2 yet, but I'm hoping this expansion will be compatible with it too.

>>381471320

Yeah they definitely do need a lot of work. Wasn't there a mod that places new evac zones really close to where the first one showed up though? It's been a really long time since I've played but I swear I had that one installed.

>>381471320
Escort missions are terrifying for that reason alone. I rush to get within range every time to avoid bullshit like that. I've never had an evac point destroyed, that's interesting.

>>381471209
Can you elaborate your tactics? I think I like it how you are doing it.

>>381471209
>>381471402

But then they found ways to fix overwatch turtling in XCOM1 with stuff like meld, exalt missions, and yeah, the occasional timed mission. I enjoy XCOM 2 as well, but timers aren't the only answer.

>>381436923
Just accept that war is hell and everything will be fine if you perservere. XCOM is about spirit my dude lol chill out lmao

>>381455637
>>381455667
well shit then I'm buying it once long war is compatible again

>escort missions
>bring ranger/grenadier squad, one battle scanner and 2 mimic beacons
>proceed to fuck everything in sight

ayyliens cannot fuck me with rng if there is nowhere to hide

>>381471638

Most missions have only 3-4 pods of enemies. A ranger with the concealment skill (I think it's third tier?) won't be revealed when everyone else fires, only if they themselves fire or are spotted. You can essentially go without using one unit for two encounters to give you the ability to scout around and plan engagements. The lack of firepower from one unit is more than made up for by your ability to be in control when the fight starts. For the last pod, they can fight as normal because you know nothing else is coming.

>>381437553
Massive increase in lethalness makes engagements very binary (read: take out every significant threat in one turn or risk losing guys). In EU it wasn't unusual for a firefight to drag for several turns, if that's happening in 2 you've fucked up.

In terms of setting all of contemporary Earth versus unknown threat is more interesting and 'believable' than a bunch of gorillas in an old ship.

>>381467985
something like bradford still saves you, you just control another team on another mission

>>381471638
When you get rangers you can keep them concealed or have them reconceal when they are revealed (or both)

On difficult timer missions I'll two rangers at point and they'll scout out the front areas. When we find an ayy I'll choose how/when to activate the pod, eliminate it in 1/2 turns and carry on. I'll always keep one ranger concealed and scouting the front lines, in case i need to find new cover and I don't know if ill trigger another group of aliums

If I need my rangers I'll use them and say fuck it to concealment. At that point I usually have 1 or 2 mimic beacons available so If I get really boned I'll throw those out for a free turn to get adequate cover.

With this I rarely don't use all of my movement/action points. Overwatch isn't really that good, I'd rather find the pods and pick them off as I sprint to the capture point.

Of course, if I'm pressed on time on hacking missions I'll blow a hole in the wall of the building and my specialist will have line of sight to hack.

I only failed 4 missions on my commander ironman mission and 3 of them were due to destroying/killing the objective. 1 was running out of time

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Read this shit for a laugh

https://venturebeat.com/2016/03/04/the-deanbeat-im-surrendering-to-the-aliens-in-xcom-2-its-too-hard/

>>381472582
>non archive link to an article
idiot

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>>381439542
Damn!!! X com looks like that!!

>>381472582
Tbh xcom 2 can hit like a fucking truck if you refuse to learn from mistakes, played the living fuck out of EW and yet 2 squashed my balls way too often during first campaigns

>>381472582
Wait, is the reviewer saying he gave up even after switching it down to rookie? I'm pretty sure the game literally just starts handing you victories at that point.

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>>381438113
p. much
it achieves what it set out to do pretty well, its fun to play, is challenging and is polished on top of everything else.

It has good graphics, something that newest AAA games somehow struggle to achieve with multimillion dollar budged even in the year of 2017

>>381473604

Yes, the game starts giving you hidden cheats (like increasing your chance to hit with every miss and having the AI not target wounded soldiers) on difficulties below Commander.

Is it bad that I modded my game with everything I could Halo related? I would honestly love a Halo game with this gameplay and it satisfies my thirst since Halo 4 and 5 were utter grabage

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>>381473243
XCOM is pretty fun

>>381474134
can you still put armor on while keeping them big?

I brought this game at launch and never played it. Time to correct this.

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>>381474258
Yeah, though at the moment only the normal Kevlar Vest and a couple of the heavy armors lets them remain topless (and in the heavy armors' case nearly bottomless). It's also a mod, not the actual in-game options.

>>381450430
Did you like it more than enemy unknown ?

>>381474609
You gay or something anon? It's okay, we're all buddies here.

>>381474609
Who needs armor on your bara troopers?

>>381459957
But you love to blam.

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>>381474834
Wouldn't be using it if I didn't enjoy looking at men's bodies.

>>381474916
Armor helps, and it's the only way to give your bara soldiers a metal speedo.

>>381475072
Does this play in your avenger on victories?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINoUyrP0BI

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How is XCOM2 in terms of using multiple squads? I felt like it was a complete waste in getting up a b-team to keep up with the a-team in XCOM.

>>381475493

The A-team problem still exists.

>>381475493
I never really needed a full B-team, I just had 2-3 soldiers that could fill in whenever someone was injured.

>>381475493
Xcom2 definitely has a higher risk of you losing a squad on ironman due to shit like>>381471320

Take it or leave it is all about if you can handle losing people or not in xcom in general or if you even play ironman.

>>381475783

You can at least get captured soldiers back though.

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>>>381466572
This, and it becomes tedious as fuck around mid game.
>officers have their insta-kill behind full cover attack
>lancers always dodge overwatch and club you guys to death in one move from across the map
> sectoids that mind control your guys and run off and hide outside your vision
>everyone about the mectoids
>snakes can grab you guys through walls and it slingshots them both out of range, and was never fixed.
>mutons insts-kill melee
>elite mecs never miss and always crit
However, I like lids more, they are more creepy, and not as bullshit as EW, evenone else is fine, or not that bullshit.

>>381475493
It is a bit easier, and since you can train soldiers for specific functions you can balance your troops better.

>>381476050
See when you start saying things like 'always crit', 'always kill', and 'never miss' then it's clear you're fucking exaggerating

Git gud

Hopefully the faction system means you can fight wars against their factions. I always loved that about apocalypse that you could ignore the aliens at times and just raid enemy corps you were hostile with for loot

>>381470670
no it shouldn't

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Post your favourite character from your character pool.

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rush b

>>381476553
I've already posted several of mine. Basically my entire battalion is my favorite.

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>>381476553

Is the game supposed to be 15 fps when you're looking around the Avenger? It was normal yesterday but now it wants to be inconsistent with the fps with the Avenger stuff and sometimes it drops in other places.

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should i buy the first one now? can someone give me a quick rundown on it. never played it but I am interested

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>>381434146
This comic will never not be the most accurat thing to describe the first week threads when xcom2 was announced.
Shit was comfy as hell

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>>381476553
>screaming incoherently in moon language intensifies

>>381469032
Just buy XCOM 1 with the Enemy Unknown xpac. It's really good fun, and if you like that, then move onto XCOM 2.

>>381477334
Its a turn based shooter with RNG and some Rouge like elements. The story between EW and xcom 2 doesn't matter because 2 is an alternate reality as if you lost EW.
Some of the RNG is bullshit, especially in 2, but it's possible to win.

>>381442165
The invasion wasnt easy on M.C Ride

>>381477195
Yeah it runs like shit for many people, stuttering like it's dropped its spaghetti and eating inputs. It feels like the UI is some bloated Flash monstrosity or something.

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>>381477616
friends?

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>>381478110
>ever bullied a shieldbearer to death?

>>381477334
Does that mean you already own the 2nd? XCOM 1 is fantastic with Enemy Within.

You can turn your soldiers into bio mechs with rocket powered punches

>>381477334
And while the PC version has mods, it's very poorly optimized.

>>381471402
timers are fucking shit solution thought

they could have made it so that xcom cannot use overwatch when not engaged with an enemy group, eliminating the snail strategy without forcing you into a rush

>>381447383
True concealment makes the game actually not retarded. Why the fuck do I gotta run like Sanic when no one even knows I'm there.

>>381471638
just have a phantom ranger on your team, not much to elaborate?

>>381477863
>>381478286
>>381478337
Nope never played any of the XCom games, but I will try the first one. Thanks guys

>>381437553
lots of things, mainly the class unlocks, enemy abilities, and overall atmosphere/immersion

>>381433310
Yup. Day one, too.

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>>381434467
Download the mod to remove timers altogether, it was poorly thought out anyways and just turns shit into a rush. But also be sure to download the supplemental that reworks enemy AI because it'll still think it's on a Timer and kamakazi rush you making the game too easy.

>>381479076
All you need is the mod that prevents timers from going down before you break concealment. That way, as long as you're a little stealthy, you haven't got to worry, but you still have the pressure to prevent overwatch turtling

>>381479076
just add 9999 to the ini file
>>381479429
>overwatch turtling
I will never do this just because I lack the patience, still try to do the missions as fast as possible but on a rhythm that I consider fun

>>381477334
theres a demo on steam

>>381479076
>>381479429
Fucking scrublords jesus christ

>>381479805

True Concealment is a nicely-balanced mod though. It's what they originally intended in the first place and they're adding similar mechanics into the WotC.

>>381445891
Is there anything you do like?

>>381476050
Don't forget about the chyrsalids which pop up and run across what feels like the entire map to fuck up one of your troops that was otherwise safe.

>>381477965
Damn, that sucks. Really hope optimizing is something they do in the next expansion.

>>381480060
Sure, but removing timers/extending timers is a total bitch move.

>>381479805
For the record, I play without either of those mods, I'm just saying if the timers bother him that much, there's a way to make them slightly less intrusive without just dropping the difficulty of the game into the ground.

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War is most raw when you go into battle with only your closest squadmates, the weapons in your hands, and the pants over your junk. Though a true warrior doesn't need the pants

>>381480710
Can't you fuck off to /vg/ with the rest of the degenerates or something?

>>381480752
Uhh, all of the furries and gayfags are on /v/. That's just how it should be.

Xcom 2 on the highest setting is impossible for me currently with time limits. I beat the second highest but my luck in real life is too low for rush start they pushed on us.

If I had fallout stats my irl luck is 1.

>>381480752
>acting like /v/ isn't as much of a haven of degeneracy as the rest of 4chan

Calm your tits and be thankful nobody's been snakewaifu-posting.

>>381480958
That setting in the previous game was literally called "impossible".

>>381481116
I nearly beat impossible in the first, yet in this I can't get past those gay as fuck lancers who run acccross the whole map and auto nuke my party. Xcom2 has some serious bullshit that is not even slightly fair.

>>381481029
Every single fucking XCOM thread we have these days is 75 people talking about the video game, and that 1 fucking barafag posting his shitty-looking squads.

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>>381476553
Wanna see my collection of droids?

>>381481029
>implying Snakewaifu is degenerate
fuck right off

>>381480398

With true concealment the timer is less than the original turn count would be without the mod. It just doesn't start counting down until you're spotted which thematically makes a whole lot more sense. It also feels a whole lot better so you can at least set up for the first encounter.

>>381480752
fuck off back to /pol/ pal

>>381481768

The only thing about TC is the dark event where it reduces the timer even further is shit and needs to be disabled.

>>381481762
being a zoophile is degenerate as hell, that shit's just above pedophilia

>>381433310
yup.

>>381481863
I want to talk about the video game, not post pinups of my sexiest soldiers.

>>381482147
>fucking animals is worse than fucking immature humans
Pedophilia is fucked up but it doesn't require the same level of brain miswiring as finding animals attractive