Why was gen 1 so dark? You really felt that you were in a hostile,

The show was pitched to children, children latch on, pitch games to children of all ages

>>381330336

>pokemon
>dark

Are you retarded or just severely autistic?

>>381330336
It wasn't, OP. It's just before your time. You weren't used to the aesthetic the way the rest of us were.

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>>381330336
>team rocket
>dark
oh boy

>>381330336
>light-hearted
N exists

>>381330630
>>381330741
You never gave the concept of Pokemon much thought, did you?

You are a boy with an absent father who is basically kicked out of town and tasked to enslave deadly monsters and let them fight against their own for money. Everyone in the world is a "trainer" and an asshole who blinded by greed and arrogance and the desire to be the best. Normal people basically don't exist. It's like in a ghetto where personal relationships also come second to the desire to be the toughest and most powerful, only on a larger scale. Instead of letting pit bulls fight against each other it is done with pokemon. Your rival was your best friend, now he is your enemy.

The world is infested by crime and judging by team rockets huge numbers, also by poverty. Then you have the fucked up experiments which created Mewtwo, a guy literally as evil as Hitler.

And the most powerful trainers, the elite 4 are too busy to train instead of fighting crime.

>>381331013
What's with all the fucking whips in this game?

Not really. It's just half open world compared to the new games.

>You really felt that you were in a hostile, mysterious world full of evil were shady things were going on.
With this music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMyDrhNf2t0

>>381331265
>Mewtwo, a guy literally as evil as Hitler.
Hardly. The worse thing he did was destroy a lab and possibly kill some evil Rocket scientists and inadvertently hurt Ash in a movie.

>>381331275
>With this music?

Nah senpai, with this music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT3EiOq47XM

>>381331265

>All that headcanon
>Anime shit sprinkled in

Just stop, nigga.

>>381331270

They are animal trainers, duh.

>>381331275
>>381331405
Fuck yeah, I love the music from these games. Especially the Champion and Victory Road's themes.

>>381331472
You cheeky punk

>>381330336
>>shady groups doing shady experiments in order to create the perfect pokemon

If you're referring to TR creating Mewtwo, that's anime only. In game canon, it's all Mr. Fuji and friends.

>>381331265
Autistic then.

>>381331265

>Mewtwo
>Evil

All he did in the games was blow up the lab that made him and fuck off to a cave since he wanted to be left alone.

>>381330336
its about a 10 year old that uses literal monsters to take down a crime syndicate
how could it not be dark?

>>381331265
Sent to Did You Know Gaming.

>>381331265
We all discussed this shit to death 15 years ago on the playground, tard

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>>381330336
>>your rival who has a pokemon which died

>>381331013
>moral of the story is to treat your Pokemon with love and trust to be truly strong
>one of the strongest classes of trainers and one of the gym leaders use whips on their Pokemon

So was the point that Red is the only trainer in the world who treats his Pokemon with love or something and that's why he became Champion?

>>381330336

The only games I could call dark are Black/White. The bulk of Plasma didn't know they were being fed bullshit by Ghetsis and his inner circle and N was a feral child groomed to further his "father's" ambitions.

>>381332159
wasn't red the asshole and blue the nice guy?

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>>381331472
Okay I was expecting a "because they are into SM" comment, but this really got the noggin joggin

>>381331265
BUT HEY

>>381332318
Gold and Silver (as well as everything afterwards) use Red as the protagonist and Blue as the rival. Pokemon Blue was my only Gen 1 game so it felt strange to me at first.

>>381332318

Red is the MC/the final boss of gen 2. Blue is the gen 1 rival/the guy Gary Oak is based off of.

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>>381330336
Alola has an entire ghost town, a shady group doing experiments in order to create the perfect pokemon, a crime syndicate stealing stuff, a gang that took over an entire city. I'll give you Blues ratatta though.

>>381331265
whew dude, you are underage right? what bullshit is that?

>>381331265
>Hitler
>evil

>>381331265
OVERTHINKING

>>381332131
>He doesn't remember Raticate

You definitely killed it anon. There is otherwise NO other reason for your Rival to switch out such a powerful Pokemon for another. Trust me, my dad worked on the game's DEEP lore.

>>381332656
You still play as Red in Pokemon Blue, though.

>>381330336

POKEMON HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GRIMDARK WORLD. it just has a cutesy skin over it.


>in what sane universe would you willingly throw your 10 year old offspring to the literal MONSTERS as a retarded coming of age ritual?

>>381331265
what's next? Donkey Kong is actually a grimdark post apocalyptic situation?

>>381331275
>>381331405

fuck man I am missing this bit soundtracks so much. Of course there are really good new songs, especially in SM, but damn this ones are fucking awesome.

>>381331265
Fuck off with your retarded game theories.

>dude kids games have SUCH DEEP meaning.

>>381332878
I know you're joking but I got a laugh out of "such a powerful pokemon".

>>381330336
It wasn't "dark" it was down-to-earth and sensible. What we got later was watered-down kiddie shit where nothing ever goes wrong.

>>381332958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLcJois9yTs
This is still one of my favorite pokemon themes even though I don't like gen 1 that much compared to others.

>>381331270
I thought the implication was that they drive their Pokémon way too hard with whips, speaking for the quality of trainer they are. Adds to the grim essence OP talks about, I think.

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>>381330336
>>381331265

>>381332980
raticate is a beast early game.

>>381330336
Its "dark", like the first mario games were dark.

It just wasn't so explicitly designed for kids yet.

>>381331013
I love those old designs tbqh

>>381332948
>coming of age ritual

You are a genuine retard.

>>381332881
Yes that's true, but their names are swapped in Blue Version (Blue is the first default name for the protagonist, Red is the first default name for the rival, and Red Version had vice versa). There was no in-game indication of who was really who until Gold and Silver.

>>381332775
T. Naziboo

>>381333259
Pokemon and every mario game is explicitly designed for kids

>>381333059
This. You can tell Gen 1 had a certain vision behind it and the entire "adventure/whole wide world" aspect had both the good sides and the bad sides of life. So things like a Pokémon graveyard or a crime syndicate actually committing crimes rather than trying to destroy the world due to gimmick X were a natural consequence, only considered to be as tonally jarring from the viewpoint of someone who has made it through the other games.

There are darker elements such as there are lighter ones and they don't feel shoved in.

If any of this stuff was in the modern games though, /v/ would probably call it edgy.

>>381333505
In the end we are all kids

>>381333307
>t. i am a retarded child who is too young to even be on /v/ talking shit about a game i never played.

literally every single protagonist starts their 'journey' because of 'its time you had your own pokemon and went out into the world' bullshit.

>first game has you given the ''impossible'' task of cataloguing EVERY single pokemon that exists, including legendary uber-mons

>>381333350
Name one bad thing he did.

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cool

>>381331265
Mewtwo did nothing wrong nor did Hitler.

>>381333060
I love shit like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxU2UjAjN24
and this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kiKM2f2j_o

from the newer games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW2MfdLKwLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMXFoHU7tM

>>381330336
It wasn't dark. You were just a child and stupid. You're still stupid btw.

Just because there's a graveyard tower with "creepy music" doesn't make it mature. There's a graveyard in gen 3 too.

>>381330336
It only feels darker because it's more realistically feasible than Pokemon plots nowadays. The concept of Team Flare wanting to destroy the world with a giant laser death cannon is darker than a crime syndicate stealing stuff, but it's so much more like a cartoon supervillain plot that it just feels goofy.

>>381333760
Coming-of-age means ... coming of age.
Is English your forth language?

Gen 1 wished it had a battle theme like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv7AXRqjTuQ

>>381330336
Because the first game had some balls

Nah, nigga you dumb.
However, the classic Pokemon games do seem to exist in a world where Anarchy is the primary form of governing.
>No public roads between towns, the "routes" are overrun with grass and wild animals.
>No real law enforcement beyond vigilantism.
But, then again, universal health care seems to exist. Maybe the Pokemon world is just ruled by a really shitty liberal party?

>>381331270
Pokemon Slave Masters.

>>381334706
>But, then again, universal health care seems to exist. Maybe the Pokemon world is just ruled by a really shitty liberal party?
Underrated post

>>381334706
I don't think GameFreak even thought of stuff like this when they made Red and Green, I bet they just wanted a map that felt RPG-ish like Dragon Quest/Final Fantasy without putting much thought into what a "real world" paralel would entail.

>>381334706
>>No real law enforcement beyond vigilantism.
They have an army of officer jennys.

Usually thats enough for any city areas.

Rural areas have always had a lack in law enforcement, even in real life so dont expect much there.

>>381334590
the melody is a little bit too quiet, but this thing is great.

But the champion battle has a great start, but a mediocore middle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLj143lxVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REC7daXbjho

gladion and guzma are also top notch

>>381331569
Are you sure? In the manga it's rocket that creates mewtwo too.

>>381331013
I always saw Cueball as having his dick hanging out into a cup, instead of the belt buckle or whatever it is.

>>381330336
>Why did the series become much more light-hearted?

It always was, it's simply that the Game Boy representation made it so fucking dark and serious. You can bet the crime syndicate were supposed to sound goofy and shit, and the music was supposed to be happy, but it just translated poorly into the platform, and everthing made you feel anxious, happy places looked sad, and the music just felt wrong, always.

And that's a great thing honestly. Gen 1 Pokemon games accidentally were made godly because they got this tone that was just so much more interesting than generic colorful anime shit.

I wish we could get a serious/realistic Pokemon game again.

>>381330336
>>381331265
Holy shit this is some serious Gayme Theory level autism.
>muh everything is dark and edgy
>you just don't get it
>so deep

>>381334970
>Muh ashume.
The games have exactly one town with police officers, not counting yellow, and they don't even appear to be very well equipped.

>>381334706
You know, if they designed the world without putting any thought into the government or structure of society, it would look remarkably similar to a world intentionally designed to be anarchic.

>>381332952

Achtuahlly dkc takes place not long after a great war between kong and kremling, most kongs are dead. The Orangutan kongs betrayed the main kong family, you fight their remnants in the jungle stages and nowhere else.

Donkey Kong lore exists, as retarded as that sounds

>>381334509


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming-of-age_story

5 seconds in google.

just because you are a fuckwit who cannot understand BASIC core narrative archetypes does NOT mean the rest of the planet is equally fucking stupid.

>>381330336
It was just the shitty colour palette of the Gameboy. Later games in the series were a lot darker.

>>381330336
gen 1 was based in reality. gen 2+ was based in escapist fantasy. In the first game, pokemon master was a legitimate job, in the rest of the games, it was kinda like this fad/hobby people liked to do because whatever.

>>381334509
coming of age ceremonies are something that the west doesnt do anymore so its understandable you are taking the phrase literally.

>>381335576
>gen 1 was based in reality.
That's hilariously dumb. All games feature trainers that don't train as a job, like little kids, sailors, gamblers, hikers. It was just as much of "collecting is a fad" as the rest of the series, even if they had whips.

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>>381330336
Because the pokemon you fought constantly looked like this vs. this.

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Why do people forget the part about Team Rocket cutting off Slowpoke tails and killing Cubone to sell body parts on the black market which is explicitly mentioned numerous times?

To answer OP; Maybe they just didn't envision it being the hit that it was and in later games adjusted it for the widest possible audience.

>>381333886
Umm concentration camps much????

>>381331265
>who is basically kicked out of town and tasked to enslave deadly monsters and let them fight against their own for money.
No, you are not. You choose to go. No one kicks you out.

>Everyone in the world is a "trainer" and an asshole who blinded by greed and arrogance and the desire to be the best. Normal people basically don't exist.
No. Oak says on the like the first screen that everyone lives with Pokémon their own way. Also, there are a lot of NPCs who don't even own Pokémon. Even in Pallet town, there's a guy who just says something in the line of "technology is great".

> Your rival was your best friend, now he is your enemy.
Your rival was always your rival. In fact you had been rivals since childhood and that's why you're rivals in the game. And the rivalry is always friendly in nature, nothing mean-spirited happens because of it. Okay yes, Oak says when you defeat your rival that you win because the bond you share with your Pokémon are stronger than the one your rival shares with his, and there's possibly something there. But you are not an enemy to your rival, just a rival.

>The world is infested by crime and judging by team rockets huge numbers, also by poverty.
Team Rocket is the only criminal organization in all of Kanto which means that the world doesn't have much crime at all. After you beat Team Rocket for good, they are never seen in the game again. There's not really any poverty in the game to speak of either.

>And the most powerful trainers, the elite 4 are too busy to train instead of fighting crime.
The Elite 4 is meant to put trainers to the ultimate test and is not a task force of some kind. That would be like being mad at MMA fighters for only fighting each other for sport and not ISIS.

Actually play the game again.

>>381336434
Umm sweetie, I said BAD things

>>381334970
Officer Jenny and Nurse Joy are entirely anime only concepts.