Can we get another comfy Metroid thread going tonight? What

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Preordered these yet?

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What are your thoughts on this game? How do you think M:SR will compare to it?

>tfw just started playing it a few days ago
>got right up to the final boss tonight
>died twice and thinking about just beating it tomorrow
>90% of all items collected with a few whose locations I know but have stumped the shit out of me as to how to get them
>wanted to get 100% first before beating the final boss but eh

Why did I wait so long to play this fucking game? Easily right up there with SM, ZM, and Fusion.

>>381298803
My hopes and dreams are that the success of Metroid Samus Returns leads to the continuation of the 2D Metroid series. I can't wait for Nintendo to make Metroid Dread for the 3DS, I also hope they add GBA VC for the 3DS as well then I can have every 2D Metroid game when I get a New 3DS.

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WHERE IS IT

>>381298803
My hope is that the game will eventually get tough enough that the Aeion abilities become essential, not just a crutch for casuals.

Do you think Prime 4 will be open world?

>>381298803

>comfy
>Metroid thread
That'll be the day.

>>381300019
God, no.

>>381300019
I was actually one of the proponents for a semi-open world Metroid game but I've changed my mind after playing BotW. It just wouldn't fit the Metroid formula. What they should do instead is deliberately craft the game so that at certain points, the player could have a choice between entering certain areas, which might open the game up some, but you'd still have a preset 'path' to take no matter which area you go to.

>>381299028
I loved AM2R, but I was starved for new 2D Metroid so that was probably inevitable. It really does feel almost like an official addition to the series in terms of polish to the movement, maps, and most of the visual representation. Only things that really stick out as "fanmade" are the music remixes, and maybe some of the Metroid animations, but for what they were, they were great as well.

I'm hoping SR will change up the map a bit more, since AM2R mostly stuck to the original. The Aeon abilities, while they at first had me asking "what's the point?" might provide new opportunities for cool new items to be added to the series. So, I'm pretty optimistic about SR. The only thing I really don't like are the cinematic action sequences whenever you counter a Metroid attack. I hope there's some sort of option to disable that, but there probably won't be.

>>381300568
>Only things that really stick out as "fanmade"
I should add, the flying Torizo boss and the Circle Robot Boss in the tower. Those stuck way out to be honest, but I liked them anyway.

>>381300019

Open world wouldn't work for a Metroid game. If anything, it will be like Batman Arkham Asylum. Corridors and items that unlock new areas. But if they tried to make it open world, it would turn out to be shit, like Batman Arkham City.

>>381300568
>Only things that really stick out as "fanmade" are the music remixes
I disagree. I think the OST was incredible and it really sounded like something that could've been in a Metroid game. You can tell the creator really did evoke Kenji Yamamoto for it.

>The only thing I really don't like are the cinematic action sequences whenever you counter a Metroid attack
I really don't like this myself. However, I was just thinking about it earlier, and I realized that the melee counter could potentially be a cool addition to the series. It seems broken and overpowered now because enemies from what we've seen are slow, have easy tells, and don't attack all that frequently, but I realized that enemies later in the game might be much faster and won't succumb to a single melee counter, which might be very cool. It'd be something if after the first time you melee counter an enemy, you might have to do so once or twice more, but the timing might be different and stricter every time.

>>381300928
Ah, I'm not saying the OST is bad or anything, it was great, and it definitely does sound appropriate for Metroid. Something about it just didn't sound like it'd be in an official Nintendo game. Not sure why. That's just the impression it gave me.
And yeah, I don't have a problem with the melee counter itself. I just don't like how the camera swings around Samus and all these elaborate animations play out in a scripted sequence whenever you do it in a Metroid fight, before returning you to normal gameplay. It looks like it'd disrupt the flow.

>>381301354
>I just don't like how the camera swings around Samus and all these elaborate animations play out in a scripted sequence whenever you do it in a Metroid fight, before returning you to normal gameplay. It looks like it'd disrupt the flow.
Yeah, I agree. It really looks disruptive. Metroid has never had anything like that and it's just kinda jarring.

>>381298803
>What are your hopes and dreams for Samus Returns?

For it to be available with the special edition at my local gamestore for christ's sake. I need this CD soundtrack.

>>381301859

Buy it on Amazon. Don't trust a fucking gamestop to give you a pre order bonus. I've had them steal at least four of them.

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How the fuck did people finish SM in 1994? I legit wasted 30 minutes shooting everywhere and backtracking all before i just gave up and watched part of a walkthrough to noticed i missed one little fucking block that continues the game. This shit is happening so often

christ

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>>381301990

If you think Super Metroid is hard, never play Metroid 1 on NES. You will break your TV.

>>381301990

It's really not that hard. I'd say Super Metroid is the easiest game in the series. And really, if you think of each room in the game as a seperate thing, then it is easy to explore. Bomb all the walls once and look for the little icons. If you don't see any, come back with a super bomb and try again. The super bomb will show any secrets, even if the super bomb doesn't open them.

>>381302201
yeah I heard so I played Zero Mission before playing this which was much easier. didnt even need a guide and i finished the game just over 3 hours with an 50% collect rate on first run on Normal. Is Fusion easy too?

>>381301990
SM has some parts that are tough to figure out where to go or what to do next but it's not so bad. I think I finished my first run of it at 10-12 hours or so.

ZM and Fusion both had some parts where I didn't know what to do next and those were infuriating for me too. Even worse, those were on re-plays where I had forgotten what to do.

>>381302201
Metroid 1 is the only Metroid game where I'm kind of on the fence about beating. I've beaten every single mainline Metroid game but that one, 2, and Hunters, if you count that, and I plan on beating the latter two eventually. I want to beat Metroid 1 just to say I have but fuck, it's so hard and so dated.

>>381301990
Well, power bombs and the x-ray scope helped once you got those. And power bombs come fairly early.

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make way fuccbois, disgusting waifu fagging comin' thru

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>>381298803
The division between 2d fags and 3dfags is so silly to me. Each one has positives and negatives but each still captures the essence of the series and it kills me to know that people opt to not play one or the other simply because its not side scrolling or isn't an FPS.

Literally the definition of shooting yourself in the foot and it breaks my heart to know that you just can't change their minds

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Let's play guess the subtitle. Think they'll actually use the name Dread for Prime 4?

>>381298803
MORE 2D METROID if it sales!! I want to know what happens after Fusion! will they based on the new alien movies?

>>381302951
No, Dread is Sakamoto's title and could be the name of Metroid 5 when it releases.

>>381302993
>next 2D Metroid game is a distant prequel where you play as a female scientist kinda like Samus but not really
>story is about humanity making first contact with the Chozo
A lot of people would be pissed that we STILL wouldn't see a continuation of Metroid post-Fusion though.

>>381302951
>Odyssey
kek

>>381302451

I'm a huge Metroid fanboy, but Metroid I is also the only game I haven't completed yet. Metroid II is my favorite game in the series and I never had trouble finding my way through it. But Metroid I will have literally 8 hallways that all look the same, stacked on top of each other. Same colors, same sprites and same enemies. That's just sadistic levels of memorization.

>>381302993
You will get a Super Metroid remake and you will love it gaijin

>>381303085
Is that what it is? I always wondered why people were so set on "Metroid: Dread" being a thing, when I figured it could be called anything. So Sakamoto already picked that name for a future game?

>>381303210
Yeah, it's just super intimidating. I want to do it, to say I've beaten every game in the series but you'd need a lot of patience for that, unless you're one of those old school, hardcore oldfags who grew up on NES games.

>>381303270
IIRC, it was actually in development at one point, but got shelved.

>>381303210
Metroid 1 is a real maze, but getting lost is part of the fun. Memorizing the entire map and trying to keep track of where you are is also fun. There was a point at which I had the location of every missile and energy tank memorized and could 100% the game without a map. Probably can't anymore, though. But I do still have the general layout of Brinstar embedded in my brain for life.

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>>381302451
>>381303210
If you have a 3DS, I'd recommend getting Metroid on the VC and making use of suspend points in the trickier parts. I had a blast with it but without a modern addition like that I can see it being less fun. Other than the Mother Brain fight (which isn't too bad if you have almost full health) and a couple brutal item placements, it's mostly just down to remembering where to go. No shame in using a map in my opinion, since even with one you can get turned around. If you feel bad about it just remember that back then people made ample use of Nintendo Power and other guide books to get through games like that.

It's a brilliant game but if you've played newer entries in the series it'll feel even more outdated, so don't worry about cheesing it a bit just for the experience.

>>381302652
There is no division, it's just a load of shitposting. Metroid fans love both and don't see a distinction, the same way Zelda fans don't arbitrarily draw a line between 2D and 3D Zelda.

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>mfw just so happy to know metroid is finally back
Even the threads have gotten better.

>>381305394

>Metroid fans love both and don't see a distinction, the same way Zelda fans don't arbitrarily draw a line between 2D and 3D Zelda.
Actually...quite a few Zelda fans won't go back and play the 2D games. Just like a lot of Prime fans look down on the 2D games.

I love both. But its ignorant to ignore how both series have bitching about 2D vs 3D games.

>>381305974
>Actually...quite a few Zelda fans won't go back and play the 2D games.
are you talking about normalfags or /v/irgins?

>>381305974
This

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>>381306062

There's a difference?

>>381305804

Me too anon. I'm stoked. I specifically said years ago that they should just make both a 2D game and a 3D one, like they did for Fusion and Prime. And they're doing that. Now neither side should complain. Both sides are getting a game.

It's up to the 2D fans to actually buy the game if they want to see more.

>>381305974
There is definitely a line between 2D and 3D Zelda but to make a distinction between them other than to say 2D and 3D aren't really comparable is retarded. They're definitely within the same universe and to separate them would be idiotic. People who only play one or t he other are retarded.

>>381305974
>Just like a lot of Prime fans look down on the 2D games.
Literally where do you see this? At least, on /v/, it's always "primefag this, primefag that" from falseflaggers and shitposters. Then some shitposters will, out of necessity to fuel the flames, take the other side.

I also love both. Frankly, though, it seems rare to me to see a Metroid fan who likes Prime show some sort of general disdain for the 2D games, and vice versa (shitposters aside).

>>381306495
I definitely plan to, I want Metroid Dread.

>>381298860
Loathe as I am to admit it, that metroid is pretty tempting.

>>381306495
>like they did for Fusion and Prime
I hope there's some sort of bonus content for having both, like how they put the Fusion suit in Prime.

>>381300652
I'm not sure I would describe the circle robot as feeling fan-made, more that it didn't feel like a style of boss fight that had been done in metroid before, probably because of the mostly vertical arena and completely artificial nature of the enemy. That's not a bad thing, new is good, especially when its done as well as it was in AM2R.

MP3 had good music, I hope MP4 has good video

>>381306680

It is arbitrary. But the sad fact is, I've known more than a few people who played games like Wind Waker or Twilight Princess, but would never touch any of the 2D games. Obviously the reason is that they are used to 3D games and hesitant to try 2D games. It doesn't really have to do with the Zelda games themselves, but 2D vs 3D games. But that's the point. That divide still exists.

>>381298803
I just hope the developers chosen for 4 are competent.

>>381306690
I like the suit redesign. I just wish the visor was flat along the top, but that's a minor detail. Also, what are those things sticking out of the shoulders?

>>381307210
>they are used to 3D games and hesitant to try 2D games
Jesus Christ people are fucking retarded.

>>381307709

It's been a thing since 3D games got popular in the early 90s.

>>381298803
They went too far with the shoulders, but otherwise the design looks fine.

>>381303235
>Super Metroid remake
They'll never do that. given that they game is a timeless 10/10 it's next to impossible to make changes without ruining the experience. The most I would be comfortable with is an audio update and maybe a visual one, but even thats not really necessary given that it still looks better than many other modern 2D pixel releases.

>>381307707
Salt shaker caps.

>>381307827
>Stores salt in her shoulder pads
>Suit decomposes it into Sodium metal and Chlorine gas
>Can divert these through her arm cannon as weapons
>Sodium causes explosions in watery environments
>Chlorine just kills things
Fund it.

>>381307783
And yet 2D Mario outsells 3D Mario every single time.

>>381308012

Mario is a strange series that defies almost all convention. Much like Dragon Quest in Japan.

>>381299650
whoa an art book? I gettin this shit now

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While I genuinely don't care about Nintendo or their products, I love the Metroid franchise and I'm definitely going to pick up a 2DSXL for M:SR. Now really is the time to put our money where our collective mouth is and support these releases.

Also, I'm happy to finally see a Prime game on a proper platform with dual analog sticks. Ironically, the only one that actually played good was Hunters, which is the worst (or second depending on who you ask) in the series.

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Does anyone else hope Metroid Prime 4 will have multiplayer like Hunters? the Singlepleyer wasn't great but the online was.

>>381309381

God no, please drop all multiplayer in Metroid (and all other single player games).

>>381309381
No, waste of resources and I'd never pay for online play anyway.

>>381309381
No. Everyone just wants another game in the vein of Prime 1, multiplayer would be a blunder, particularly with Splatoon already covering that base.

>>381309381
No but I'd like a sequel to Hunters or at least an HD port now that the online is dead.

>>381309576
>release Hunters on Wii U VC
>no wi-fi connection
why are Nintendo hellbent on making the virtual console shit anyway?

>>381298803
SR would be a great way for Sakamoto to show that he learned from his mistakes with Fusion and Other M, so I just hope it'll be a good classic Metroid game.

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>>381298803
My hopes and dreams for Samus Returns are that they put her goddamn arm cannon design back to the original design on the Return of Samus poster but fucked if that'll ever happen!

The teal dragon dildo cannon needs to die, seriously. Even the firehose design is better in the grander scheme of things.

>>381298803

>playing Prime for the first time emulated
>game is pretty fucking fun
>missed a few things so had to backtrack a bit
>get phazon suit
>get stuck
>look up guide
>suddenly artifact hunt through everything i've just been through twice already

Fucking hell I see what people mean about the backtracking now.

>>381310147

It will also be his dream game. Since every game he has worked on since then has basically used the ending of Metroid II as the cornerstone of the story. I just fear he might screw it up by adding story or cutscenes to it. And the whole appeal of Metroid II is total isolation and no story.

>>381310424
I don't think he's that stupid. Ever since Fusion everyone was criticizing those elements relentlessly because it went against everything people love about Metroid.

>>381310147
>Fusion
Fusion's only mistakes were that it was linear, had unskippable cutscenes, and locked the doors. Story can work in Metroid and Samus Returns with it's skippable cutscenes prove this, so don't go dragging Fusion in this, just Other M.

>>381310147
>mistakes from Fusion
The only real mistake was the nerf to wall jumping. The linearity, while controversial, isn't as ad as it could have been and made sense from a narrative and accessibility standpoint. Its why I recommend Fusion as the first game to play because its hard to lose direction, but still encourages creativity and exploration and is the hardest 2D game in the series, which makes the other games seem easy by comparison.

I say Fusion is the hardest because even though 1 is techinically harder, its by dated game design and not intentionally challenging.

>>381310147
Nintendo as a whole seems to be remembering that players LIKE exploring and figuring things out for themselves and there ware ways to have a story without shoving it down the player's throat. Even if SR turns out to be lackluster, I'm confident it's still going to be a step in the right direction in that regard compared to previous games in the series.

>>381311145
Exactly, I wouldn't be mad at all if Dread encompasses the story of Fusion, Samus characterization from Fusion, and Zero Mission and Samus Returns gameplay, while running on the Samus Returns engine.

>>381309381
Nah, games with single and multiplayer have to have similar gameplay in both and you're either going to get a good single player with bad multiplayer like prime 2 or a bad single player with good multiplayer like hunters.
I would've liked a federation troopers spin off that was more fps like that could've scratched the space opera itch of Metroid while also having a great MP but Nintendo went and gave is chibi inflation fetish sports ball so I don't want them trying again for a long time.

>>381311145
I was talking about story, not game design. Unskippable cutscenes, Samus being a PTSD-ridden wreck of a character, always having someone watching over her and so on. I can clearly see where Sakamoto was going with this when he wrote Fusion and Other M, and I think he's the only person on the planet who liked that direction. But he admitted his mistakes, so it should be fine.
>>381311256
>Samus characterization from Fusion
Unfortunately, I think her characterization in Fusion and Other M is extremely similar, albeit with much less dialogue in the former game. That's just how Sakamoto saw her - melancholic, surprisingly feminine and submissive. She even calls the X parasites "heartless".

>>381298803
>SR visor kinda resembles Dark Samus's 'visor'

Have we gone full circle?

How does Prime 1 & 2 GC emulate on Dolphin? Any hickups, glitches?

>>381313271
Emulate the Prime trilogy. Apparently you can do mouse aiming in it

Do you think they'll discount Metroid Prime Trilogy on the eshop anytime soon?

>>381313271
I remember Prime 2 being a bit stuttery, but I'm not sure if that was due to my hardware or not. Prime 1 went a lot more smoother though.

>>381313112
>melancholic
This part has always been part of personality and Fusion Samus was far stronger than Other M Samus and made her own decisions.

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>>381299028
since the other thread is basically dead, I'll repost:

Just finished AM2R. I give it a really solid 8.9/10.

Only reason it's not a 9+ is because it's too faithful to Metroid 2's lackluster ending. You don't even really know that the Metroid Queen is coming up and, indeed, it is a pretty rad fight built up to with a very spooky area before it, but it's not very difficult for one and isn't really built up to in a lore sense. You can tell that the metroids are getting bigger as you go along, but the game kinda just throws it at you with no real warning and doesn't really telegraph the idea that "yes, this is the final boss." I was expecting like another half-hour of gameplay. Still, I can't really fault it for being faithful, so it's not a big hit in my mind.

It really is a whole different beast compared to Super, Fusion, or ZM, so I'd like to avoid comparison to those games, but damn do I wish some of the level design and pacing were taken from those games and put into this.

>>381305974
>ust like a lot of Prime fans look down on the 2D games.
Show me one time where a Primefag said the 2d games are bad instead of just saying that they think the Prime games do it better and that they prefer it.

The only games ever called bad here are Other M, Hunters and the Prime Trilogy

Nobody ever in the 10 years I have been browsing /v/ said Super, ZM or Fusion are bad. Fusion sometimes gets ranked a little lower because of its similarities to Other M but then people remember the SA-X and they are happy again.

>>381298803
Can someone explain to me why they made a remake of Metroid 2 rather than continuing the fucking storyline?

>>381314402
2 needs a remake and was something fans wished for ever since Zero Mission.

>>381313112
Sakamoto's line of thought from Fusion to Other M is pretty obvious, but her characterization in Fusion is really no different than what you see in the Prime series and in those games it's perfect. She's a competent and tough warrior with a strong sense of justice who does what must be done, but she's still a woman and has feelings and a feminine side too. She has emotions, but she doesn't let them get in the way of her duty.

>>381314442
But 2 got a fucking remake? AM2R literally all we could have wanted. What the hell is the point of doing it again? Is it autism about their IP?

>>381299028
The game's OST blew me the fuck away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUwI_rYJ-TU

>>381314695
AM2R is a fan remake
And there are millions of it like it

there is a reason it is called ANOTHER Metroid 2 Remake
Because even making it he knew he was doing something a lot of people have done and tried

How the fuck does this make any sense to you telling Nintendo they don't need to make this game anymore because there is a really good fan game.

>>381314836
AM2R is so by-far far-and-away THE definitive fan-work remake of Metroid 2 that it's not even funny.

Show me anything remotely comparable to AM2R in terms of quality and completeness and I'll totally hand it to you, but until then, I think that AM2R is on a whole new level of fangame.

>>381314967
>AM2R is so by-far far-and-away THE definitive fan-work remake of Metroid 2 that it's not even funny.
There are two things we need to discuss

First of all do you honestly think the Development of the 3ds game started AFTER AM2R was released?

Second please just roleplay the e-mail you would send to nintendo telling them they don't need to make the game anymore.

>>381315037
I'm not that anon. I never implied anything of the sort was the correct course of action. I'm just saying that it's not a fair argument to say that it's a dumb idea because AM2R happens to share a label with fanworks of SIGNIFICANTLY lower quality.

>>381314836
Because there *is* a really good fangame. They can't hope to top 10 years of dev time from a dedicated fan who knew the fanbase's wishes better than they ever will. Nintendo is being unoriginal, have no sense of irony, and they are copping out by making 2.5d, which is cheaper due to 3d models being cheaper. It's quite literally a half-hearted fuck you to the community, and there is no good reason to retell the story yet again. Why won't they continue the Canon storyline? Because they probably weren't allowed the funds to do so, or sakemoto is dead inside.

The main thing I'm worried about in Samus Returns is the melee counter trivialising a lot of enemies.

>>381315150
Anon the core of the argument is that Nintendo shouldn't make this game because of AM2R

That is the only thing I am arguing against. The point that it ended up really good has nothing to do with anything.

>>381313112
Well naturally. Masculine, "eats steel and shits rivets", "more muscles than Arnie" Samus was a "character" invented by western marketing.

>>381315219
I see no reason that Nintendo shouldn't have taken a page out of SEGA's playbook and contracted the developer to release AM2R in an official capacity on the e-shop.

Even if they are also making a remake for themselves, AM2R is already a done deal. The cat's out of the bag. They can't just put it back in. It cannot hurt them to also make money from AM2R by making it an e-shop title or, heck, even just an alternate mode in SR. That'd be pretty cool to have the ability to play a faithful 2D recreation or a 2.5D remake.

>>381315376
I can't even start with your whole argument

You are making me think their DMCA wasn't the wrong decision. Because I always thought DMCAs of fan games are stupid because they have no effect on the real games but now there a people like you who genuinely think they shouldn't make their own games anymore because of a fan game.

>>381315464
I told you nigga I'm not fucking saying they shouldn't. That's some other guy.

>>381315464
There's a disturbing undercurrent of Metroid "fans" who think Nintendo is the last person to be trusted with anything Metroid itself.

>>381315494
Anon how many fan games are out there. How many of them are good? Who decides which fan game is good enough to get that treatment?

How do you build the infrastructure for something like that.

>>381315539
Well I hope Prime 4 and the remake are absolute dogshit. Don't sell anything and the metroid fanbase will just have to play Fan games.

Because after this thread I fucking hate the metroid fanbase now. You guys deserve nothing.

>>381315631
Nobody gives a shit about your feelings for the fanbase. Get back to r edd it with your company loyalty shit. This is about why they are taking down superior remakes, denying then any recognition and then proceeding to make the same remake themselves. Makes them look pathetic and spiteful when they can't compete in a free market, trying to claim a remake as their own idea and new thing. They could easily have continued the storyline if they had even a modicum of talent left in their company, but they don't.

>>381305804
Metroid threads are only tolerable when something actually comes out and people discuss gameplay.

>>381315923
>Nobody gives a shit about your feelings for the fanbase
I always heard people shitting on Metroid fans and I thought that was weird because the games are great. How bad can the fanbase be?
Now I get it.
>taking down superior remakes
Do you think they fucking playtest fan games and only take down the good ones? How fucking stupid are you.
>proceeding
So you DO think their game was made after the AM2R came out. Again more retardation.
>when they can't compete in a free market
So to you a free market is one without copyrights and one without anyone owning any property?
> trying to claim a remake as their own idea and new thing.
I don't think they are claiming they invented the idea of remakes. Literally every sentence of yours has something absolutely retarded to unwrap. This is amazing. And they remade the first Metroid long before so I really don't get your point here.
The reason M2 has so many remakes is because many people thought that is were Nintendo would go themselves.
>They could easily have continued the storyline
I mean they announced Prime 4 and I see no reason that they won't use the Engine and shit they made for this remake and continue the story with it.

>>381315923

This. Nintendo has every right legally to cry about the remake, but that doesn't make them right or morally justified. Furthermore, it's pathetic that it took them 10 years to make a Metroid that doesn't look like hot garbage, and then they complain when the fanbase just does it themselves.

>b-but just make your own IP! s-stop stealing from nintendo!

People do that all the time. Where do you think Hollow Knight and Ori came from? One guy just wanted to do Metroid a faithful remake, and you crucify him for it? Hell, he's happy Nintendo is doing a remake. He could've been like that jackass Jim Sterling and told everyone to pirate it out of spite, but he's a surprisingly good sport. If anything he's more forgiving of Nintendo than they deserve, considering how they pulled a decade-long blackout on the series while leaving it on the worst installment possible. Imagine if F-Zero ended on a visual novel so bad that it made Gone Home look like Myst.

>>381316327
>they pulled a decade-long blackout on the series while leaving it on the worst installment possible

What the fuck did you call Super Metroid

>>381316327
>and you crucify him for it?
Who is crucifying the guy?

All I am saying he is probably the last guy who is unhappy about an official metroid remake. He is probably going to get that game and is happy nintendo is making it.

His entire argument about fan games would fall apart if his fan game made their game worthless.

>>381316215
>now I get it
Oh yes because being a fan of a game means your wallet has to be loyal to the company which distributes it? Great idea cuck
>playtest
Of course not, what makes you think lawyers actually play video games? At best they took down the ones which was most popular, but logic dictates that this would be the best one.
>game was made after am2r *came out*
Can you prove that it wasn't? Can you prove the dev cycle began before am2r's dev cycle? Fuck off
>copyright in free market
Literally crying to the authorities to maintain your position the market. Copyrights are not part of the free market, they are part of trade barriers and sanctions
>where Nintendo would go themselves
No there were many remakes because the original was garbage and people felt they could do it better than Nintendo
>wanting more 2.5D
Yes good goy give them your money. You are so full of your own shit.

>>381316414

>missing the point.png

When we waited 8 years after Super, there was no problem because Super was a damn fun game. It wasn't Sakamoto's personal fap fic for his self-insert wankfest. Even if the series never got another installment, we could always look back and say "yeah, that was a nice series. Wish they made more, but it went out so nicely."

With Other M, it was painful watching threads degrade into low grade porn dumps, and Super Tr4sh brothers only made that worse with the constant wanking of the zero suit. The biggest insult was purposely nerfing the power suit just so less people would use it.

>>381299028
Honestly ZM and Fusion are way too easy compared to any entry but Other M. Interesting to see the remake with ZM, but that ledge grabbing shit completely invalidates bomb jumping.

>>381299650
>S T I L L not on amazon
Literally what are they waiting for

>>381301990
You just get used to bombing and shooting at every wall after a while. I'll admit breaking that glass with a power bomb to get into Maridia was pretty tricky though.

>>381314645
Fusion and Other M are obviously character assassination. He said himself he hates the Prime series and never saw Samus as a big tough ass kicker. I've mastered every Metroid game on principle but Other M and Fusion literally offended me with their small, weak, man-trained baby-obsessed depiction of Samus Aran.

Never played a Metroid game, should I play the first prime on dolphin? Preferably would like an opinion from somebody that played it for the first time recently.

>>381316648
>Of course not, what makes you think lawyers actually play video games?
I don't think that. You think that. Because you specified that they took down a good fan game. Like that makes a difference to lawyers.
I am amazed you are even capable of grasping nintendo has lawyers because until now you have treated them like one entity.
Like the same guy making the decision to DMCA is the guy who is making the new fan remake.
>Can you prove that it wasn't?
First of all it doesn't matter. The AM2R doesn't own the copyright of making remakes and making Metroid 2 Remakes.
Considering Zero Mission was this good I am sure the idea of a Metroid 2 Remake was floating around nintendo long before the guy ever wrote a single line of code though. Your assertion that they came up with making a metroid 2 remake from that game is so fucking retarded it hurts.
>Copyrights are not part of the free market
Here in reality they are. You can say they shouldn't be and that is a whole different argument but you are retarded not using them. Especially if you own something valuable.
>Yes good goy give them your money.
I mean I love metroid games so if they make more then I am probably going to buy them. If they look good that is. I didn't buy Zero Mission because I thought it looked like shit.

>>381317146
the 2D ones are better

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>>381317056

>I'll admit breaking that glass with a power bomb to get into Maridia was pretty tricky though.
It's supposed to tap into your desire to break crap. The whole game sees you blowing up walls, breaking doors, and shooting at everything possible. You have this large glass tube that just screams "shatter me harder, daddy". Sure you don't think much of it until later, but then you come across a similar but destroyed tube in Maridia which tells you "you should try breaking the previous tube". At this point you should have power bombs, so you figure why not? There's even a respawning enemy hole not even 2 screens over to give you the drive to try it, since even if you fail, you can just get your ammo back.

>>381315179

>3D models are cheaper than sprites

Literally what? Where does this come from?

>>381317171
>I didn't buy Zero Mission because I thought it looked like shit.
**Other M

>>381315376

Christian Whitehead campaigned for his work with Sega, they didn't approach him

>>381317068

Sakamoto never said he hates the Prime games

>>381298803
I hope Samus Returns comes with Zero Mission and/or Fusion. Hell, throw in Super Metroid. I can't run it on my 3DSXL because SNES games are somehow too powerful for it and I'd love to have it on the go.

>>381317613

Maybe not directly, but his inability to write a coherent story with a woman who doesn't break down and cry every 5 seconds is indicative of what he thinks about the Prime games. Shoot, it says alot about what he thinks about the Metroid series in general, and it's a miracle that the series didn't just become a dating simulator.

>>381317756
Nah, Prime is exactly the sort of game he wants. Echoes even has Samus get raped by a bunch of bugs.

>>381317756

You really like adding 1 and 2 and getting 5, don't you?

If memory serves right, Sakamoto wanted to put a bunch of retarded story bullshit in Super Metroid and the rest of the team kept his ass in check

>>381317756
I think you are assuming a lot.

>>381317921
>and the rest of the team kept his ass in check
But they didn't
There's a 10 minute unskippable cutscene in the beginning and the final boss is just hold the fire button and wait for the next cutscene to start

Sakamoto is the source of everything people like about the original Metroid and Super Metroid

This fandom's insistence on turning him into a pariah over a game he by all intents and purposes seems to have learned from is hilarious

>>381317921
So he is the George Lucas of Video games.

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>Metroid threads are great again you guys.
>Cuck cuck reddit reddit

>>381317843
>>381317856
>>381317989
>>381318032

I'm just saying, look at the clear divide between Prime and Other M, not only in character development, but in actual gameplay direction. One game forces you on a strict path watching unskippable cutscenes about a woman WHO IS A WOMAN (can't let you forget that) who's emotionally drained and constantly crying and needs to have her hand held because otherwise she'll soil her diaper. The other game is a little more open ended, doesn't really put focus on the story, has all lore to the side in optional readable goodies, and stars a videogame character who just so happens to be a woman (a detail that's not very important).

Which makes for a more compelling character, and more importantly, a better video game? And do you think these two could ever mesh well together in a single timeline?

>b-but he's the source of everything good about the original Super Metroid
Then explain Other M, and why he was the source of everything wrong about it. His prior good deeds do not excuse his modern day wrongdoings.

>>381318082
>>I'm just saying, look at the clear divide between Prime and Other M, not only in character development, but in actual gameplay direction.
Two different directors with vastly different ideas and games they had in mind.

that doesn't mean they hate the other game.

Nobody here is defending Other M and shitting on Prime btw. You are obviously right about that distinction but you are interpreting a lot of emotions into it which just aren't there. I think Sakamoto just thought that would be a good game.

>>381318082

There's a "clear divide" because they're two completely different teams who don't work together

That's it. Like. Whatever your opinion of his writing is, there's no fucking animosity or rivalry or hating on each other. That's it. They don't work together. They are produced like two different series.

Get your fucking conspiracies out of here.

>>381306858
the metroid amiibo is apparently squishable

>>381318290
Fuck you.

Is this fucking ACfag

>>381318309
but it is

>>381318341
And now I have to buy it. So fuck you.

>>381318408
good luck finding one

>>381318189
>>381318228

>Two different directors with vastly different ideas and games they had in mind.
That's not really a viable excuse, since it's a single IP and they were attempting to take it in wildly different directions. It screws up the entire nature surrounding Metroid and makes it confused, like it doesn't know what it wants to be. It would be like having a horrific rape scene in a Mario title. even if it was a spinoff game nobody cared about, it severely clashes with Mario's general nature. A different director can't just decide that the whole series needs to take a darker turn that completely isolates it from the rest of the series. you have to have something that allows it to remain within the ballpark. Again with Mario, you can have him in a racer, an RPG, a virtual gun FPS, a tennis game, and in all manners of platformers, but you have to keep him consistent. Metroid needed the same treatment. You have to maintain the vision of the original series in some way. You can't just blindly take a stab at a new direction and expect gold to come out.

>>381301990

SM is honestly very cryptic and not fun, I only played it once and had to use a guide for every step i took because if I didn't, I got stuck, and if I only used the guide every time I got stuck, I got stuck and then the guide was confusing because I didn't specifically know which part to read.

Zero mission is much better made and more fun, it's still challenging while not being overly cryptic.

>>381318541
>You can't just blindly take a stab at a new direction and expect gold to come out.
Wait is your argument against prime and not against Other M?

>>381318607
i only played fusion before getting super, i thought it was pretty fun actually, didn't really mind getting stuck once in a while just made it more fun when i found the correct path

>>381318541

>comparing something you don't like to rape

Aaaand you just lost all credibility

Word of advice: This is like pulling a Godwin, you insufferable child

>>381318607
I played when I was eight and completed 100%. It's not that difficult and I loved it even when I got stuck for hours, because there's always a way out and it depends on you to discover it.

>>381318330
I think it might be. He is working towards the ACfag opinion.

>>381318636

Prime took the series in a new direction WITHOUT sacrificing what made the games good. In a way, it was just Super Metroid in first person. It still wanted to be a video game. Samus was still a video game character, instead of a crying angsty depressed woman. The story was still background noise to justify you shooting stuff in a videogamey manner.

What Other M did wrong was discard everything good about the series, down to the last little morsel. Even if this dumpheap had some positive features, it still wouldn't be metroid because you've made far too many alterations and not enough positive changes to justify them.

>>381318715

Would you have preferred a food analogy?

Does anyone have that image showing all the sprites for the games and comparing them?

Also did M2 have the purple/gravity suit?

>>381318834
Anon you are preaching to the choir. Everyone here is an agreement that Other M sucks and Prime 1 is great.

The only thing people here disagree with is that Sakamoto made Other M intentionally to shit on the prime series.
Considering how similar it is in ways to Fusion and Super it seems more like Other M was always his vision for Metroid.

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>>381318330

>Assassin's Creed fag

Who?

>>381318969
>Assassin's Creed
Just be happy about your ignorance here.

>>381318834

You're an idiot. Prime is a fundamentally different game than Super Metroid just based on the fact that it's more linear than Super Metroid. Any of the sequence breaking that exists is either a shallow effort or in there as an ACCIDENT. Their vision of the Chozo, Space Pirates, and Galactic Federation are completely different.

It's a great game. It has the essence of Metroid. But it's a very different animal from Super Metroid and you're in fact doing the series a disservice by saying it's something it isn't.

No one is even arguing Other-M is good, you idiot. But in the end it's proving to be an abberation, an unfortunate low point that even the man who created it is moving on from.

>>381318961
Fusion and Zero Mission have that fucking ledge grab shit and they said more of the same in SR. I love them bringing back old ips, BUT STOP MAKING THEM SO EASY A SEVEN YEAR OLD CAN BEAT THEM.

Did you people even see what they did to Blaster Master? One of the single greatest platforming challenges of all time, and now it's a baby's walk. FUCK.

>>381318961

>The only thing people here disagree with is that Sakamoto made Other M intentionally to shit on the prime series.
I'm arguing that he didn't do it intentionally, he just wanted more control of the series to live out his awkward self-insert fanfiction, even if it meant unintentionally retconning alot of previous games, not just the primes. You can even see this in Fusion, where Adam is built up as this messiah god savior who Samus absolutely adores. You can tell Sakamoto was creaming himself at the thought of hooking up with his fictional waifu right there.

With Metroid 2: Samus Returns, I thought he had learned his lesson, but then he starts dropping cryptic hints like "I want to go further into Samus's relation with the baby" and an alarm immediately starts ringing in my head.

>>381319130
>that fucking ledge grab shit
Are you saying that is bad? You wanna fucking fight my man?

>>381318928
gravity suit first appeared in super metroid which came after return of samus

>>381319178
I think you are overestimating just how much Sakamoto cares about Prime.

He just wanted to make his vision of a metroid game. Even subconsciously I see no shitting on Prime in Other M.

>>381318961

I don't even think it's that deep an issue. Fusion is basically structured similar to OM to the point the latter feels like a retread. Samus has more agency and her character is closer to the "correct" vision of her.

Sakamoto just didn't have a proper editor. His comments on SR also has him basically admitting he learned from his mistakes in OM. Let the guy move on for god's sake.

>>381319284
other M took a shit on the entire series by retconning everything from metroid 1 to the prime trilogy an even fusion

>>381319337
>His comments on SR also has him basically admitting he learned from his mistakes in OM
Did he really? Can you give me a source.

>>381319178

Samus' relationship with the Baby Metroid is one of the most important in the series. Wanting to expand on it isn't an inherently bad idea.

>>381319107

>Prime is a fundamentally different game than Super Metroid just based on the fact that it's more linear than Super Metroid.
I am more than aware that it's more linear, but if we're being totally honest with ourselves, Super was the high point of how you can break a game's pacing. Being able to sequence break was never really a major feature of alot of the games. It should be in every one, don't get me wrong, but it wouldn't be fair to give Prime heat just because they didn't intentionally program in more sequence breaks. The original Metroid and Metroid 2 were linear as hell, but that didn't make Super any less of a good game. It fits with my point, it took what made those games good and kept them, polished them even, while adding in new conventions. Prime has exploration, it has decent platforming and combat (if a bit simplistic at first, but 3D was a new push for the series). It keeps a good portion of the essence of Metroid. Being first person doesn't fundamentally alter it to the point where it's too different.

>>381319232

Zero mission also had the gravity suit, this remake will have it too, hopefully a new suit too.

>>381319423

The question about Other M has him basically owning his decisions and saying it's made him "reconsider what he wants to say about her"

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>>381319178
This. Samus Aran is the hardcore ass kicking BOUNTY HUNTER so vastly superior to the Federation's forces that they call her when they've attempted to and failed to resolve a situation, read your manuals. At no point will I ever believe this incredible warrior trained by the Chozo is in fact a five foot tall weepy big titted blonde bitch with baby fever and an obsession with the first dick she sucked. NO FUCKING WAY.

>>381319575

I forgot the link

https://www.google.com/amp/kotaku.com/metroid-samus-returns-feels-great-to-play-1796236226/amp

>>381319284

Other M retconned pretty much everything because of terrible writing. Maybe Sakamoto didn't mean to, but the several million plot holes in the game don't just go away because he didn't think them through.

>>381319454

What the heck are you talking about? What "relationship"? It thinks Samus is her mother and follows her. Wow, that's it. You think she cried like she wanted to be some mother figure, as if women constantly want to be mothers and nothing else? She basically just drops him off with some GF scientists for study and possible dissection, I'd hardly say that needs elaborating.

>>381319454
>not a bad idea
Yeah but it is the way he puts it out. Remember what he did in Other M, she basically screams BABY every time she speaks. There're a lot of ways to show Samus like a caring "mother" (or at least that she has a heart) but that's the worst way to do it.

And being the "shy and scared wife" of Adam

>>381319654
>but the several million plot holes in the game don't just go away because he didn't think them through.
Sure but I just don't consider Other M canon and it works for me.

>>381319456

>Metroid 1
>linear

Literally WHAT are you talking about? Metroid 2 is the linear one. Metroid 1 is full of nonlinear paths both intentional and otherwise.

>>381319575
>>381319637
Thanks man.

>>381319637
>I think once they play it they’ll understand a lot of the things we’re trying to present this time.
Now I am worried.

>>381319654
> She basically just drops him off with some GF scientists for study and possible dissection
and that's the point, don't know why people keep defending Samus as the caring mother of a perfect predactor baby. She cared it but in the same way a dog smiles at you at the street and follows you, that doesn't mean it's yours for life.

She had a mission, she finished it and bye samus out.

>>381319654
>>381319667

It sacrificed its life for her. She thinks about it in the wake of Super Metroid. The creature is thematically associated with her in the sense they're part of the Chozo's legacy and they are both tools of destiny that drove them to be killers. By Fusion, they even share DNA and it saving her at the end of Super Metroid is what causes her to transform dramatically.

There's a lot you can do there outside of having her cloy and fawn over it. There's potential there beyond "they spent five minutes together and recovering it is just another mission for her". It doesn't necessarily have to be how Other-M did it, and Samus doesn't have to be an emotionally hollow Vulcan who doesn't care about anyone or anything else.

Fusion did this right. The Metroid manga did this right. And Sakamoto worked on all of those things. He can and HAS done better.

>>381319969

The idea it was another job to her betrays the whole weight of the finale of Super Metroid.

If Sakamoto means so well, how come he asked what the gravity suit was in Other M and requested it become a generic aura?

>>381319894

that's a natural thing to say when one is changing or adding to something. Did you think they were gonna keep everything the same? Zero Mission didn't.

>>381319969
>>381320096

Ironically enough, I felt more emotion at the end of Metroid 2 than I did in Other M. It's hard for me to explain why, but I feel like it was a difference in emotional connections and how they interpreted and presented them.

With Other M, I say blatant emmy award bait, trying to make the game look deeper than it really is. You have crying, people sacrificing themselves for no reason, hollywood theatrics, the whole shebang. It was more predictable than an adam sandler """comedy""". Meanwhile, you've got Metroid 2, and Samus doesn't say a damn thing. I don't know exactly why, but I start to tear up when she finds the baby metroid and it doesn't attack her, and better yet, it helps her out of the planet. After a whole game of literally everything wanting to violently murder you, seeing this little thing not even try to hurt you in the slightest just felt relieving. And then you get this music track to accompany it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8dfcHfX9g&index=36&list=PLlvExVPF1E2fPa-NfRrcxhRDJjVIBG0lE

Hearing it even now makes me teary-eyed. I can't explain it. I guess it's because the game isn't telling me to feel bad. It's not trying to bait me into feeling anything. It's not throwing words or text boxes or crying or feelings or anything. It's letting me feel the emotions. The saying "less is more" definitely applies here.

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>>381320096
Fusion has Adam, Adam is unforgivable. Ugh.

MY FEDORA IS TIPPING, LADY

>>381320265
to me that sounds like he is saying we just didn't understand Other M and now he is going to make us understand.

>>381320169

That was a creative decision in that he thought Samus appearing outside of the context of her iconic design took one out of the story. It's ill advised but I can understand the thought proccess

>>381320302

He's not even discussing Other M in that question

>>381320528
What do you he means with "this time" then
What other metroid game made by him wasn't understood by the fans?

>>381320293

Adam is fine in Fusion and the manga. I feel like he's the Bishop to Samus's Ripley.

>>381320623

>what do you think he means by "this time"

Samus Returns

The game they're discussing

>>381320704
Yes exactly. This time as opposed to what other time when people didn't understand.

This is clearly in reference to other m.

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>>381319616
I see you too love western marketing Samus. Which only came around likely from the "Ew I have to play a game with a GIRLS in it" stigma.

>>381320283
That's because it's true. Other M is too "tryhard", wants to shove up our throats a lot of "feelings" and fails.

Metroid 2 didn't need it, the last part with the baby metroid itself was so well made its iconic.

>>381320779

No, he's talking about Samus Returns in comparison to the game it's being remade from. Because they're changing it and adding focus on things that didn't exist before.

>>381320856

>so well made it's iconic

it's there for two seconds and it eats a few walls

The Metroid's sacrifice in SM is far more an iconic moment for the creature

>>381320856

I think I would be bold enough to say that Metroid 2's ending is on par with Super Metroid's ending. Overall, after these years, I think I've gained a new appreciation for Metroid 2 as a whole, not just the remakes. Not that I'd say it was better than the other Metroids, but I think it deserves a title other than "pre-other m black sheep of the series".

>>381320874
You think so? Metroid 2 was generally well liked and "understood".

>>381321049

Remember, it's not just the moment itself. It's everything building up to it. For Samus to not want to kill this creature after the 40 other Metroids she fought (if not more) trying to murder her shows some admirable self-control. It's also a moment of relief, since once you kill Queen Metroid, you still have control of the game, but you're safe. For once you can just relax.

Sure, SM has an iconic moment with the same creature, but we never see enough of it. we go the whole game without seeing a single Metroid, so suddenly seeing the mutated monster is not only surprising, but odd at that. Nothing in the game even hinted to the metroid becoming that thing. In M2, we see how deadly Metroids can get. We get a better build up to the ending.

I'd say that SM wasn't about the metroid, so much as it was Samus wanting to kill the pirates. Them taking the metroid seemed incidental to it. She would've just killed them anyway for being horrific genocidal assholes. Having a metroid bioweapon just gives her another thing to put on the list of "why I should shoot these aliens in the face".

>>381315179
>10 years of dev time
I am not discrediting neither the game nor him in person. But you know that he didn't work 10 years worth of traditional work hours on the game, right?
It's more accurate to say that the project started 10~ ish years ago and was just completed now. Than to say that it's been continuously worked on for all of 10 years.

>>381321305

He wants them to understand the changes.

Like. Look at the added scenario of Zero Mission. On paper, the idea sounds bad. Samus losing her confidence and her powers, all her work in the main game being undone. She has to slink about and hide. She can't kill pirates easily she can only run from them.

In paper it feels like it's a betrayal of everything the character is about. But it's framed in a way that has her rediscover her roots, what drives her, helps her remember her Chozo family. It preys on the Metroid series' themes of claustrophobia and paranoia to have Samus forces to use her wits to survive in enemy territory. In the end she reclaims what she lost and becomes even stronger.

If you're gonna modify things so drastically you need to make people get it. Even a person like Sakamoto is aware of that.

>>381321413

That's not supported by how SM starts its story at all, though. The opening cutscene exists to show the theft of the hatchling. They do nothing to show Samus is specifically gunning for the pirates. The talk about the ways the Metroid could help the galaxy, failing to stop Ridley from taking it, this is all about reclaiming the Metroid.

It's hard to say it's about the evil the pirates do when the already limited narrative does very little to dwell on their crimes.

>>381321857

The opening cutscene was discussing how she felt her job was done and went off to find a new bounty, when she received a distress call. One could easily infer that she was gonna get a new mission to remodel THEIR assholes for a change. The hatchling being stolen was essentially a shortcut to that.

Any idea of whether or not Samus Returns will have a dedicated morph ball button and aim lock button?
It's the only thing from AM2R I really want in the game.

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>>381320645
Ripley didn't idolize Bishop or learn anything from him, in fact she heavily mistrusted him and only came to recognize him as a friend after he basically went on a suicide mission for her. Her relationship with NEWT seems more relevant, but at no time did I ever think of Samus bonding with the larval parasite in the same way Ripley bonded with Newt. Super Metroid was the story of Mother Brain stealing the last sample of a brutal bio-weapon and Samus going after it to prevent the destruction of would cause; let's not forget that at this point Samus has single handedly ERADICATED THE ENTIRE METROID SPECIES without apparent remorse and at the beginning of Super they're only talking about harnessing the power of the parasite, not protecting it. I think Samus was as surprised that the metroid saved her as we all were, and even then A PARASITICAL JELLYFISH BONDING WITH THE FIRST THING IT SEES AND DEFENDING IT DOES NOT IMPLY INTELLIGENCE OR EMOTIONAL CONNECTION.

Other M and Fusion were both obvious attempts to "feminize" (feminine doesn't have to mean weak like this shit, but I can't think of a better word) a character repeatedly referred to in text and displayed on screen as the ultimate alien ass kicker. Even the creation and inclusion of the ridiculous Zero Suit rather than just the underclothes she wore before is ridiculous and damning, why in the name of fuck would she suddenly opt for a neck to toe skin tight form fitting vinyl bodysuit?

The irony is that for all the cries of "sexualization" that people throw towards the Zero Suit.
The Zero Suit was an attempt to de-sexualize Samus in comparison to her running around in her underwear.

>>381322019

Before Super Metroid, Samus had every reason to think the Space Pirates were gone forever. This was long before the series shoved the Prime series into the gap between Metroid 1 and 2. Ridley being back and Zebes still being inhabited were shocks to her and that's how they present it with him fading out of the shadows and the reveal in Crateria and Brinstar that OH FUCK I'm being watched and the pirates are still here

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>>381320843
It sounds like you think women are only displayed as muscular or capable when men are offended by them; that's the dumbest shit ever. Samus is 9001x sexier and more believable as a character if she's a physically fit badass. You know, like an actual soldier? The idea that she's some wimpy bitch and it's all the chozo power suit is seriously downright offensive and maybe even sexist.

>>381322170

Looking back, the zero suit wasn't the major problem. It was making her power suit into some kind of gay magic crap. "oh no, my feelings are hurt, my suit has deactivated!" that's what gets you blatant, retarded fanservice, far worse than just the zero suit on its own. The chozo are supposed to be super advanced beings with technological and biological prowess, so making a suit that deactivates when you need it the most is a pretty stupid design flaw. I guarantee you the zero suit wouldn't be as bad if they just knocked that aspect out of canon and made it a solid piece of armor again. This way Samus wouldn't look like a whore who's ready to strip at the first sign of trouble.

>>381322405

Good points, but even without the prime series, there's no reason to believe that they'd be dead forever since they're the only ones crazy enough to weaponize the metroids, aside from the GF themselves, so them wanting to genocide every last Metroid is a very subtle hint that they're not exactly gone yet.

>>381322170

Samus refers to the Metroid as being akin to a lost child. The implications were there from the start.

And what the fuck? The Adam computer is just like Bishop. She pointedly doesn't trust it all, or is thrown off by it basically acting like the ghost of the man she knew.

Adam in the comics, which again, were headed by Sakamoto, was a father figure who gave her guidance in the period after which she was basically exiled and lost her Chozo family. Even in Other-M, where he's portrayed as an asshole, is less Sakamoto's self insert and more an exaggerated and poorly written reflection of Japanese familial and governmental authority.

>>381322496

The Power Suit's true power being tied to Samus's will is a very Japanese "your emotions bring out the true power" thing. Honestly, I think the damn thing just being a fancy Iron Man suit isn't the solution either.

>>381322435
She's a whiny bitch waifu without her power suit on. The suit gives her all her power, determination and intelligence. :)

>>381322735
The computer is just a reflection of the idea of Adam himself, a man that supposedly taught Samus and she still thinks about so much she compares the computer to him early on. The computer isn't the problem, the entire idea of Samus having a male authority hovering over her consciousness directing her is stupid and lessens the character significantly.

>>381316797
Your post implies other m isn't the easiest entry in the series.
That's confusing

>>381322694

Not really. The Metroids being dangerous is enough reason on its own, and the series' conventions weren't as established back then.

Either way, saying Samus just wants to KILL PIRATES ignores a great deal of what the opening cutscene focuses its energy upon.

>>381322735

All that line meant was that she understood that it wasn't a hostile bloodthirsty killer yet, and was still in a very young stage. At the very least it meant she didn't have to splatter its nuclei across the room with a super missile, just yet.

>>381323082

In my defense, I never gave the opening much thought until now. The metroid just doesn't seem that important in the game itself, at least until you reach Tourian. Maybe it's part of why Samus is there in the first place, but you don't even see it until you're almost done with the game, so it feels tacked on I guess? even though it's in the beginning.

>>381323065
I said they're easy compared to any entry BUT Other M. Other M is so simple that they all seem difficult in comparison lol

>>381302451
>I think I finished my first run of it at 10-12 hours or so
How did it take you so long? It took me 4 hours my first run. and the only other metroid i had played by then was fusion.

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>>381298803
I'm just so glad we can finally move on from the dinky Other M armor that's been haunting us for the best seven or so years.

Seriously I was getting really fucking sick of Nintendo shoving that shit design in our faces everytime they bothered to acknowledge Metroid, whether it be through Smash Bros., the avatars on the Switch's OS, the Monster Hunter skins, or that weird Kyary Pamyu Pamyu n3DS commercial.

My main hope for Samus Returns is a Switch port. inb4 shitflinging, I own a 3DS and no Switch, I'm just tired of my shitty little handheld and want a 2D Metroid on my TV at a decent res.

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>>381323048

Adam directing her is a device to direct information to the characters and the players in a story that is more plot driven. It's not to make her subservient, and it ultimately results in a conflict between the two that ends in Samus proving herself to the AI and it deciding to trust her to protect her own life. This ties in with Fusion's themes of identity being compromised, of Samus being lost after the events of SM and literally becoming another life form.

Yes, I suppose it is a bit cliche to have a female character with definitive relationships that are based on parental and fatherly connections. But the alternative that people suggest is a characterless zombie that never struggles, never learns anything, has no connections or ties to anything, and is just a hollow "bad ass"

>>381323472
fuck, that quote was meant to be saying I nabbed that asap

>>381323435
>for the best seven or so years.

*last seven or so years

>>381323508

>But the alternative that people suggest is a characterless zombie that never struggles, never learns anything, has no connections or ties to anything, and is just a hollow "bad ass"
Do you know why people like that? Because that's good videogame fodder. You know who that also describes? THE MAIN MAIN, SUPER MARIO, HIMSELF.

Mario is a testament to the fact that you don't need "deep character-driven emotions" to make a good game, or even a good story. All you need is a protagonist, and in a video game, the only important thing is that they're fun to play as. Do you think anyone excited for Mario Odyssey cares for the plot?

>>381311098
>had unskippable cutscenes
It did? I don't remember this. All the dialogue can be skipped. and if a monster jumping from the left side of the screen and going "raaglglglgrrr" is a cutscene to you that's kinda weird.

>>381323194

The line about it following her like a child isn't just a statement of its innocence, it's a clear set up of Samus and the hatchling as a mother and child-like pairing.

The whole crux of the climax is dependent on it feeling a bond with her, and for it to save her to have ANY gravitas, that needs to be reciprocated in some way. The lack of it appearing until the end creates ever growing anxiety about the ambiguity of the Metroid's fate, and thus Samus's anxiety becomes the player's.

Also it's a 1990's video game and how they approach storytelling is fundamentally different to how it was done later.

>>381323669
>do you see anyone being excited for Mario Odyssey about its plot?

Literally tons of people have been gabbing about the world building the game seems to be doing and the fact that Pauline is back so. Yes. To a degree people are.

This kind of backfired on you.

But yes, the fact Metroid has a world that people inhabit is actually one of the things I enjoy about it.

>>381323857

I think that's one of Super's only flaws, then. I didn't really care about the hatchling, and seeing it decide to not kill Samus came as a surprise. The whole final battle just felt out of left field.

Also, something I noticed: the mutated hatchling metroid was immune to ice, which is ironically enough what the GF were trying to do in Other M. It took me all this time to realize that.

>>381323991

>Literally tons of people have been gabbing about the world building the game seems to be doing and the fact that Pauline is back so
Those are the waifu kids who want to see porn of Mario boning Pauline. I'm not quite sure if they count in this context.

>>381324049

Man, I'm gay as shit, I don't care about that shit. I just think Pauline being the mayor and that they're hinting that the city is the one from Donkey Kong is a clever idea.

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>>381323508
Samus is like a Belmont. They're badasses, they fight bad guys, and they do it with style. There's not a lot more depth to them. There doesn't need to be. People love the Castlevania games for the deep, engaging gameplay and awesome setting, every story involving a Belmont is basically left as "Dracula is back, time to kill him" with minimal character development because NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH THEIR HERO ACT LIKE A BITCH. Only one game attempted to do more with a Belmont, and NOBODY liked how whiny and pathetic Leon appeared. It was fun to play, but Lament of Innocence was definitely the Other M of the Castlevania series.

Anyway, tangent aside my point is the best Metroid games and adventure games in general don't overdevelop the character, they let you self insert so everyone who plays has their own take. I can't even enjoy Fallout 4 with its constant reminders that my character is a fucking American hero whether I like it or not, and that to me seems an accurate comparison to what they tried to do to Samus.

>>381324203

Clever idea? Sure. But I wouldn't get excited over it. At most it's like that machine in the back of Donkey Kong Returns that looks like Crocomire from Metroid. It's a funny little reference, not much else.

>>381323508
>But the alternative that people suggest is a characterless zombie that never struggles, never learns anything, has no connections or ties to anything, and is just a hollow "bad ass"
Not him but I don't even want a "bad ass." I want literally nothing, I want a human void with neat suits. Characters in this series detract from my enjoyment; the setting should be the star of the show.

>>381324297

...they develop Castlevania heroes pretty significantly to a greater extent than they've ever done with Samus

You keep picking bad examples.

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>>381324297
>>381324341
>>381324502

I just realized that Samus is Indiana Jones. Nobody cares about the character, because they're an ideal action fantasy character, but nobody cares about their depth or development because it would only drag them down.

>>381324502
I own every Castlevania game, and I specifically said BELMONTS. I'm not including the reboot series, Alucard is not a Belmont and neither is that dude from Circle of the Moon. NONE of the BELMONTS with the exclusion of Leon from LoI were developed beyond "This is my mission, and I must complete it"

>>381324607

The two best Indy movies focus on his relationship with his ex and his father, respectively

Another bad example

>>381324749

I didn't even know he had an ex, and i only just now realized that he had a father. I ignored that because I was too busy engrossed in the action sequences, the tense moments that built up anticipation, and the quality execution of the three act structure.

So this time I can't agree with your example.

>>381298803
>produced by mercury steam
Its gonna be shit bro

>>381324643

Except a good number of them are given distinct backstories and personality traits. Sonia being exiled from continuity upset people because she was a memorable character. I also don't understand why the non-Belmont playable characters aren't valid, because they show the series' approach to writing such characters. The only way saying Alucard and the like doesn't count sounds like you're drawing a line because it's inconvenient to your argument.

>>381325034
People always gush over severance but I guess that is a meme.

>>381313415
it was discounted for a long time for 50% off I doubt they'll do that again any time soon

>>381324912

Then you're either lying or you didn't pay attention. Indy's dad convincing him to let the Grail go? The "we named the DOG Indiana" bit? Those get referenced because they're informed by memorable characters and performances.

>>381314378
You must be joking. Everyone on this board for years before other m came out shit talked fusion saying it was an atrocity and a horrible game.

>>381325204

I never cared about them. I go to an action movie for the action, not the pitiful character development. The best thing I can say about them is that they didn't get in the way of the action, which is a positive. But I don't care about them either way.

>>381325103
Yeah a "meme"
i cant wait until it comes out so we can say told ya

>>381325337

I assure you you are the minority, then

>>381314695
This might surprise you, but games take years to make.
So you're telling me you think they should have cancelled their game and have wasted all that money because a fan made one ?

>>381325074
Every game containing a non-Belmont main character actually goes above and beyond to establish their motives and backstory, but Belmonts are almost universally just "Dracula is back, and it's my sole purpose in life to combat his evil". I'm not talking about which games are great Castlevania games, I'm comparing SAMUS as a character to the BELMONT CLAN as characters. Before Lament of Innocence (or the reboots, which for the record I love but are a different animal) we literally didn't even know WHY Belmonts train their lives Dracula, just that the whole clan is dedicated to his extermination.

>>381325285
Bullshit. Everyone loves the SA-X

>>381325074
>continuity upset people because she was a memorable character.
Literally nobody cares about it not to mention it fixed a lot of things with the canon if have played the the game you would know

>>381325471

>you are the minority then

There was no need to drag race into this, /pol/.

>>381325481
That is the metroid fanbase for you.

>>381325624
*train their entire lives to fight Dracula

>>381325103
Its not just one bad game so their bad reputation its well earned i dont really know why nintendo hired them or why anyone would defend those people just from their interviews you know they are awful

Sakamoto went from making a 3D game where you can't use the analog stick to making a 2D game where you can't use the dpad.

He belongs in jail.

>>381325481
am2r took like 9 years to make. if nintendo were interested in their fanbase, they should have seen it before even starting developpement temselves

>>381324297
>and NOBODY liked how whiny and pathetic Leon appeared. It was fun to play, but Lament of Innocence was definitely the Other M of the Castlevania series.
whoa get a load of this guy who speaks for everyone

No wonder you defend mercury steam with that shit opinion of yours

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playing Metroid for the story is like reading a discussion for the food analogies.

>>381326459
Listen to this edgelord, what was your favorite part about Leon? Was it the way his character design made him look like a homosexual barhopper from Japan? Was it the way he constantly gets duped and basically creates Dracula on accident? Oh oh oh, I know, IT'S WHEN HE IMBUES THE VAMPIRE KILLER WITH THE POWER OF +<>L O V E<>+ RIGHT?!? Belmonts throughout the ages trying to get revenge for greatX? grandaddy's lost girlfriend, woo.

I actually adored LoI asshat, but to say Leon was anything less than a bad example of a Belmont is just denial. Terrible origin story for the series. HOWEVER, the idea that the original Belmont BECAME Dracula himself and that's why the family hunts him? Pure genius. The linear gameplay of the first really felt like a 3D remimagining of the first Castlevania games and the way they worked Alucard in during the second really just blew my mind, way better than the idea of a dead body somehow ejaculating into a human woman and somehow creating a magic half vampire half human lol. That point always bugged me more than a little but there IS magic so ya know, just went with it. I don't think the reboots are better than the original series but I do believe only tryhard fucks who haven't played them through really hate them. The story alone makes them worth playing.

>>381326269
How many fan games are there? How many shitty super smash brothers clones with fan characters. Don't act like they should've known that this one fan game would be good. They rarely are.

>>381324643
Richter belmont went to kill dracula to save his fiance

Christopher belmont killed dracula twice to save his wife and then his son

Juste belmont went to the castle to save his gf/friend without even knowing dracula was alive

And yes leon ventured into a enchanted forest to kill a vampire without any weapons like a badass

The belmonts were never silent protagonists or anything like that try again retard
too bad this metroid game is gonna be shit because of mercury

>>381298803
>What are your hopes and dreams for Samus Returns?
That it gets cancelled and MercurySteam go out of business.

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I don't get why we have to either have tons of story or none at all. Why not somewhere in the middle?
I like having some story in Metroid just not bad story like the melodramatic bs in other m or the absurdly cheesy junk in prime 3.
What I do want is tons of cuhrazy and sometimes depressing lore, space pirates doing absurd stuff, Samus being badass with hints of personality, and maybe a dash of mystery and intrigue here and there. This doesn't mean the game will be something on the levels of Kojima, just have a briefing cutscene in the beginning setting the scene and maaaaaybe some very very short dialogue with a single npc every now and then like in prime 2.

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>item loss skip allows me to get seeker missiles before entering Torvus Bog
>I don't get the translator files from the Luminoth hologram because the game thinks I should already have it
>can't enter the area near the Boost Ball guardian to get the Dark Temple Key
>can't get the Dark Visor
>can't finish the Sky Temple keys and finish the game
Aww, piss

>>381300019
Was Prime 1 open world?

>>381301990
>How the fuck did people finish SM in 1994? I legit wasted 30 minutes shooting everywhere and backtracking all before i just gave up and watched part of a walkthrough to noticed i missed one little fucking block that continues the game. This shit is happening so often

You can't backtrack on your first dip through zebes because the game blocks you in.

On your second pass you need to look at your map to see which rooms to revisit.

>>381327838
You're talking about three lines of dialogue or a manual entry noting the additional motivation of a few characters to save a family member. They're all already heroes with incredible skills who've trained to fight evil their whole lives. That's NOT the same as the kind of character development they get up to in LoI; on that note I don't think there's anything badass about a supposed brilliant commander and warrior rushing into unknown danger with no information or weaponry. Even the idea that Hey, there's this old man with a magic whip for you. And look at that, you just happen to be a master of the whip even though by all accounts you're a classical soldier who's never said to have used a whip in combat is kind of ridiculous. I feel like they could have put a lot more thought and work into this origin and they kind of just flubbed it and made Leon far more ineffectual and pathetic than he should have been.

>>381327665
r u flustered?

But seriously so what if I or anyone( in fact most people like the game and the charcter and very few dislike it i dare you to find bad comment from when it was released) liked Loi for x or y reason
The problem here is you saying people dont like the game or the character and even comparing it to other m
one thing is if you dont like but another is going around saying people didnt like it
Like for example people might like lords of shit thats ok they can have bad taste but another is saying those are good (or even worthy of the name castlevania?

So yeah btw i like leon for all those things :^)
Castlevania was always about revenge

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>>381328618
Also he didn't like that I got the Light Suit before finishing Torvus Bog

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>>381328765
Confirmed for not even playing those games
opinion dircarded no wonder you liked los

>>381328815
Lol when it was released we were all desperate for a good 3D Castlevania and we ate up anything we could get. I loved it until I got a little older and realized how childish and poorly designed the character was. I've already stated I liked the game multiple times, I like every Castlevania game.

>>381328930
You're a fucking idiot. Richter cares so much about his wife that he leaves the castle with another woman in the good ending, now there's love for you.

>>381298860

I just can't justify spending $30 on this, as much as I'd like to have them as a 2D Metroid fan.

>>381314336
That sounds like it's on you for either not playing Metroid II, or misunderstanding it. The Metroid nest music of Metroid II, as well as the normal first stage Metroids quite clearly demonstrates you're in the endgame.

>>381299028
I fucking adore the music for the overworld. Good god.

>>381310375
this is the only back tracking that really sucks in prime 1
Proper back tracking is when you get a new ability, and it opens up new places to go.
This is exciting to the player, since they will remember where "that place was" and can now progress through the game more

Artifacts should have been more easily included in the main game. Instead, prime is kinda in 2 parts; Main Game and then Artifact Hunt

>>381299028
I wasn't a fan of the shoehorned escape sequence. I'd rather they just used the time spent building that area to make the map more labyrinthine.

So here is a question. They are clearly working on a remake of the prime trilogy again, right? The switch needs games and people need to buy prime 4.

I literally cannot find a single page which has the special edition up for preorder (Europe)