http://www.teamfortress.com/post.ph p?id=30147 New TF2 thre

sandcleaver was a stupid gimmick combo and deserved it

>>381279363
I won't forgive them for nerfing the ambassador. I'll just switch to diamondback even though I know it's cancer.

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>>381279363
>Ambassador nerf
Thank fuck

>>381279534
What the fuck man, they've removed its entire niche of killing snipers and engies from mid-long range.

>>381279519
Fuck you. It deserved to be nerfed.

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>>381279363
>it's not the comic
Sorry m8's, I just moved on.

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>First-shots are no longer perfectly accurate. Bullet-spread is instead reduced by 50%. This makes head shots less reliable at long range, while still very viable at close and medium-range.
why in gods name do they keep nerfing the Ambassador? I mean literally what is even the point anymore

>>381279428
>sandcleaver was a stupid gimmick combo and deserved it

it allowed scout to hard counter heavies and snipers. fuck you


If the sandman recharge is lowered to 10 does that mean wrap is going to be 7 now?

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>dead nigger still in the game
>literally no nerfs to demo
people wonder why this game is dead

>>381279693
>dead ringer
>in the game
maybe in spirit but nobody except pablo.harnandez2006 is going to be using it

>all those spy and scout nerfs
ahahhahahahahahahahaa

>>381279617
You mean its entire niche of being straight up the best and only revolver to ever pick (assuming you're skilled enough to aim).

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>>381279635

>>381279693
>I can't read
they didn't post all of the balance changes you fucking idiot
I bet you spam lenny face too
>>381279819
regular revolver is god tier and everyone ignores it for some reason

"spy is the hardest class" is the biggest fucking meme ever

>>381279676
Ambassador was a mistake, but now they can't just get rid of it. Sniper has to charge because they knew being able to headshot freely is a stupid mechanic.

>flying guillotine nerf

thank you

>>381279819
If you're catering to high skilled players it should be the other way round. Keep the long-range utility and nerf mid-close range headshots.

>>381279909
',:^)

>>381279693

what can be nerfed about demo? instead buff him to 200hp

>>381279363
>"Valve please balance your shitty game."
>"Okay."
>Valve proceeds to take a FUCKING SLEDGEHAMMER TO EVERY SINGLE WEAPON THAT DOESN'T NEED CHANGING
>"THERE'S YOUR FUCKING BALANCE"

Are they literally trying to kill the game?

buff the scottish resistance

>>381279930
Except sniper doesn't have to charge, he can still instakill 50% of the cast.

Does the update remove all the hats and the Mannconomy?

>>381279363
To be fair the rescue ranger did need a nerf. It was far too good.

>>381279363
BLACK BOX CHANGES WHEN?

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>>381280006
>instead buff him to 200hp

>Ambassador was literally designed to give Spy some long-range ability
>Nah fuck that, INTO THE NERF GRINDER IT GOES

Also the only change the Dead Ringer ever needed was removing the speed boost on feigning. A Pyro with two braincells to rub together would absolutely destroy Dead Ringer spies due to the new damage reduction model the thing got in Tough Break.

>>381280036
I sure hope so, it would be a mercy killing at this point.

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When the FUCK are we getting the promised Pyro update??

It's been almost a fucking year now.

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>>381280006
>instead buff him to 200hp
you cant be serious

>>381279819
>(assuming you're skilled enough to aim).
A weapon being good only in the hands of a good player is not op

>>381280180
with depth perception

>no Pyro changes
fucking cocktease volvo

are there vanilla servers for this game? without the hats and shit

>>381280182
Except when he's carrying the Spycicle. Pyro can gaze him with some flames, but can't keep up. Spy never takes damage and gets away scot-free.

>>381280229
Soon*

*9 years according to valve time

>>381280229
Soon™

>>381280342
Did you read the post at all?

>>381280374
LMFAOOOO

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>>381279363
>It's a "nerf everything but solider" episode
>It's been this episode for 5 years

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>Righteous Bison
IM STILL FUCKING MAD

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>nerf the Ambassador
yeah, because playing Spy wasn't difficult enough. I thought the fact that you have to wait a long while in order for the gun to be accurate negated any sniping ability it had, given that you had to snipe: (1) undisguised, (2) without a scope, (3) with a long delay time between shots, (4) behind enemy lines. If you can kill a sniper, or a sentry gun/dispenser/teleporter while doing all four of those things, you deserve a kill.
>Sandman
What the fuck, trolling people with the baseball was literally the best part of that weapon. Fucking retarded.
>Razorback now regenerates
yeah, lets reward the worst class by making the worst crutch in the game even worse. Whenever a moron had this thing equipped, I would just headshot them with the ambassador.

This game just continues to get worse and worse. I should probably sell my backpack, but what's the point if all I can do with the money is buy more retarded Steam games?

>>381280276
Sniper is the most busted class in the game, no matter how many shitters play him.

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>>381279428
Any weapon combo that's stun -> kill is absolute shit. New Sandman still gives Scout a decent initiator that decreases TTK nicely while still having him mildly work for it.

>>381280385
Do you play without your volume on?

Even during the brief window of fire immunity, shooting the Spy with your flamethrower still makes the burning noise. It's piss easy to track them and then roast them for the WHOPPING ONE SECOND THEY ARE COMPLETELY FIREPROOF.

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>>381280427
I did, there are no Pyro changes.

>>381279428

The combo is retarded but the only reason for the Sandman to exist was forcing the enemy to stop firing so you could get close and shot at them. Slowdown works with Natascha because the damage keeps you slow, but this is just a one time thing, the enemy can still shoot you and kill you. The Sandman is dead.

>>381280374
http://www.teamfortress.tv/16179/no-hats-mod

>>381280606
>The Sandman is dead.
good, I wish it never fucking lived

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>Bonk! Atomic Punch
>This weapon was designed to allow Scouts to pierce hotly-contested areas. While it does this quite well, it doesn't require enough skill, or carry much of a down-side.
>Changes:
>Apply a slow effect to the player after phasing wears off, based on the amount of damage they absorbed
>From -25% at low damage, to -65% at 200+ damage
>Lasts 5 seconds

Y-YAMEROOO

>>381279519
Man i've pulled a lot of headshots with that thing, i would risk to say it's much easier to aim with it than the sniper rifle, since you don't have to zoom nor hold a button to charge.

>>381280629
i worded that badly, i mean where everything is stock like when the game released

>>381279363
>tfw don't use any of these cucked weapons
Vanilla spy with lel-ranger is still the most lit class in the game.

So what am I reading with the GRU
>Max-health is drained while item is active (-10/sec), and regenerated while holstered

Is this saying it's an anti-Dalokohs while you have it equipped? Instead of minicrits you're flat out removing your effective health pool?

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>>381280243

>mfw i am

>>381280682
Dumbest change by far.
You deal +200 damage to any Scout in less than a second.

>>381280767
Yep. The Eviction Notice gets a -5.

>>381280742
Yeah play it on PS3/360

>>381280742
I'm sure there is but no one plays on them because people like weapons

>nerf amby because it's the one thing that spy can do against soldier. nerf dr because it lets spy survive more than one rocket.
>nerf a bunch of Scouts already useless gimmick weapons, and then also nerf atomizer so it can't be used with winger anymore because winger+atomizer was making Scout too agile (and obviously Soldier is supposed to be the agility master-class, duh. scout is for... capping points quickly or something, whatever.)
>buff Soldier just a little
>nerf anything that helps sniper survive more than one rocket
>nerf medic just a little
>finally fully revert the retarded heavy nerf but pretend not to to save face about it. also nerf everything that makes him faster, because a heavy that isn't exposed for the maximum amount of time MIGHT just survive long enough to eat a whole extra rocket before dying without doing anything, and that's game-breaking
>nerf engineers weapon which exists solely to protect his buildings against explosive spam

this is how it happens

>>381280502

>wahhh my click backs for instakills and go completely invisible anytime class is just too hard

I dont care about the other stuff, but spy is not fucking hard

>>381279363

TF2 has been in ICU for the last few years.

It is not coming back again.

>>381280229
Don't expect it until mid July at the absolute earliest

>>381280956
Against people that actually check their backs, he's pretty much impossible

>>381279760
I use it. Maybe you should get good

>>381281057

then stop playing that stupid gimmick class, it was only made to fool retards

>>381280956
>>I dont care about the other stuff, but spy is not fucking hard
hardest class in the game

>>381280956
>go completely invisible anytime
the invisibility has a cool down time mid-cloaking where you're vulnerable.

and backstabs dont always work

>>381281156
>someone that uses the dead ringer telling anyone to get good
That's fucking rich, good thing it's going to be absolute shite soon

>>381280937
I really don't think the Soldier was the reason for the Amby nerfs.

I havent played this game in three years, have they changed sun on a stick and volcano fragment at all since then?

>>381281318
Nope

>nerf engineers weapon which exists solely to protect his buildings against explosive spam

you're thinking of the short circuit

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>TF2

>>381280956
Spy is the most difficult class to play effectively in the game.

>>381281318
yes sun on the stick has 15% fire resist when deployed I think.

>>381280229
>Already a fucking nerf
They lied to us

How would you fix Pyro, /v/?

>>381281218

easiest class against noobies, you can slaughter an entire team of them if you have played for 10 hours, he needs to be nerfed in that regard because 90% of the playerbase is f2p kiddies.

>>381281318
That's quite a random question, what's the story?

>>381281316
Salty Sniper mains were probably the reason.

"Waaaah I'M supposed to be the king of long-range, why does HE get to challenge ME?!"

>>381281419
>put in more effort and time into it than any other class, just to be able to do okay

Whats the point

Do you feel the need to prove yourself or something

>>381281540
>he needs to be nerfed in that regard because 90% of the playerbase is f2p kiddies.

why, they're balancing around 6s now
for some reason.

>>381281419
>>381281258

spy is a gimmick, hes not supposed to be a threat after 10 hours of palytime

>>381281578
They definitely were the reason, I can't see anyone outside of maybe Engineer who might have beef with it as much as Sniper does.

>>381281605
>Whats the point
Spy is the most interesting and fun class to play in TF2.

bames jond

>>381281809
WHAT THE FUCK

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>>381281537

>>381281882
FemPyro has the perfect ass

>>381281537
totally un-nerf axtinguisher
at least make the pyro good at ambushes again

>>381281605
It's fun

>>381280937
>also nerf everything that makes him faster
read it again retard, eviction notice and gru got buffed.

>>381279363
YESSS THE FUCKING SANDMAN CLEAVER COMBO IS DEAD. I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT TO SEE RETARDS WHINE ON REDDIT YESSSS

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>Flaregun was created so that Pyros could contest long-range targets E.G. Snipers
>DDS Changes

>>381280479
It's still in the dumpster

>>381282058
There's some leak out there that there's a new flare gun coming.

>>381281954
>>totally un-nerf axtinguisher

I'll legit stop playing if axsting comes back
10X worse than deadringer.

When do the changes actually get implemented?
>>381282054
>going to reddit

>>381280816
>>381280682
>shit scout who can't dodge
>REEEE WHY AM I SLOW NOW
god forbid you actually have to learn good positioning instead of running behind spawn like a fuccboi every life.

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>they managed to nerf the YER to beyond useless
>tfw no more camping the bridge on 2fort

Why the fuck didn't they just give in some sort of passive boost? I'd seriously use the fucking Kunai over the new YER

>>381279934
>nerf
I like the sound of the new one. One of my favorite Scout weapons.

>>381282128
When the big update comes out, so this month or the next

>>381281537
>increase health to 200
>un-nerf axetinguisher
>back kills with backburner, axetinguisher kills, airblast kills, and fires put out with airblast increase pyro's movement speed by 15% for 5 seconds (remove airblast heals)

>>381281978
Not an argument

>>381281543
I just always remember those weapons were garbage and after every update they left them the same. Glad to hear nothing has changed since then

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>>381280036
>TO EVERY SINGLE WEAPON THAT DOESN'T NEED CHANGING

>>381280502
yeah some faggot creeping around spawn with the DR and ambassador going for opportunity picks adds real depth to the game

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Will Pyro finally get a Pyroland secondary?

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>>381282058
>what do you mean I can't effortlessly apply afterburn from the other side of the map

>>381282128
I honestly only visit reddit to gawk and I only really visit it after some world event or controversial game patch comes out. I don't even have an account.

>>381282273
Considering the subjective nature of said post, I can opt to argue using feelings instead of arguments.

>>381279363
a bullshit reduction, noice

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>nerf the shit outta spy with the pyro update incoming
this shits gonna generate a mountain of salt from spyfags

>>381280036
oh my god you're right.

the bison was the first sign that we should have stopped them.

>using sandcleaver when you can use cleaver and Boston basher for nearly 100 damage plus -8 Dot
Plebs

>>381282595
>using the boston basher
>can hit a guy twice for more damage without the possibility of melee hitboxes fucking up

why

>>381279428
It was a fun combo but any two weapons that pretty much HAVE to be together is bad design.

>>381282567
maybe this IS the pyro update
just make the spy even shittier

>>381282747
you could use sandman with anything
you could use cleaver with another bleed

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Name a more perfectly balanced weapon.

You can't.

>>381282737
I like hitting people from longer ranges with the cleaver then engaging with the Boston basher. It actually works pretty well, you can kill a heavy without his medic with the bleed damage

>>381281279
Get
Good

>>381282029
>losing Max HP each second it's out >>> marked for death
Come again?

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>>381281537
I would buff to short range combat. I'm mostly kill with shotgun at mid-short range and try to avoid short range since it's way too random, perhaps i'm just bad.
I miss the axtinguisher.

>>381282172
just use it with the C&D

>>381282172
All they did was remove the no disguise penalty. How is that a nerf?

>>381282898
Stock shotgun

>>381282949
I'm coming

>>381283084

I think he may be talking about the increased cloak drain

>>381282949
Not him, but marked for death means you get minicrit if you're caught with your pants down. The HP drain means you can just switch it out and recover the drained HP or punch the enemy without fear of being minicrit.

I was mad when I read that they thought GRU was OP but satisfied when I read the changes.

>>381283184
Useless compared to Sandvich, Gunboats, and Rescue Ranger.

>>381282949
Minicrits have no falloff
Comparing damage from before and after on a full health heavy.
35% is the same as 195 effective health
20% is the same as 240 effective health.
With the new changes it takes
11s to lose the same amount of health with GRU.
12s to lose the same amount of health with eviction notice.

It's a massive buff. The only time where this buff wouldn't be helpful is when you don't expect to take damage, ie running from spawn which is what it's intended to fix.

>>381283197

CHOSEN ONE

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>no steak or dalakoh changes

come on and buff this useless but delicious looking items

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>>381279519
Good riddance Ambyfag

>>381283291
Hmm. Fair enough, I guess.

>>381283416
Dalakoh isn't that bad anymore.

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>>381282898
>fucking around in pub servers back when that was a thing
>literally just drinking crit-a-cola and smashing people with the basher
>assault heavy by smashing him repeatedly with the basher
>I die
>he's sitting in the corner waiting for the health pack, bleeding
>he lives with 1hp
>he mentions he was scared
Also killed a few people at once with it another time. It's a really underrated fuck-around weapon.

>>381283084
Removing no disguise penalty: good
Requiring some cloak to disguise without a backstab: good
Throwing on an additional 50% cloak drain penalty on top of all that: what the fuck

It should be a cloak gain from metal penalty if anything.

>>381282898
All stock weapons.

>scout building uber is balanced

>>381283416
Dalokohs is good though.
>Great when you don't have a medic
>Boosts quickfix overheal
>Can throw out health kits more frequently

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>>381279363

>changing the Panic Attack after I actually got so good with that weapon I went out and traded for a Strange one

I fucking loved taking 30-50 health or so and then being able to hold my fire until I got right in range behind people and could obliterate them in a second. I hope the change doesn't mess with the risk-reward system I got good at balancing.
Sure, the stock shotgun is my second fave for being there reliably, but the PA had a twist that I think puts it above-average.

>>381283470
I want a new skin then. Pizza.

>50% cloak drain penalty from the YER
>DR can't pick up metal anymore for cloak
>L'etranger will be required for them to lessen the hurt

Who am I kidding, they're probably going to nerf the L'etranger too.

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>>381279363
SPYFAGS BTFO'D

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>DUDE ROLLOUTS LMAO
>M-MUH ROLLOUTS
>CP_PROCESS IS FUN, I PROMISE

I want these fucking meme boots to die already

>>381283432
is this a ?

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>>381283803
>airshots are too difficult, valve pls!!

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>nerfing sandman when it puts the scout at a health disadvantage

are there any changes to the 6v6 mm
is anybody even playing that mode
why not make seasons and give out items at the end of it
could be done with minimal effort

>huntsman still not fixed

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>>381284053
Cry some more faggot

>>381282898
third degree

>>381284124
This isn't the full list of changes

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>>381284215
>Ball regeneration time reduced to 10 seconds (from 15)

no u

>>381284304
lol

>>381284473
>no longer stuns

>>381284569
At long range

>nerfing heavy

FUCKING WHY?!

>>381284569
>not bribing your entire team to go machine gun sandman ball scout

>>381284694
He was buffed. Everything was a buff

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>>381279909
Official reminder to always votekick players who use lenny faces if they're on your team, and to always vote yes if someone else starts a vote to kick them

>>381284694
I'm convinced Valve only looks at criticism on Tf2 that came out between 2007 - 2010

>>381284694
>>381284863
It's a buff you tards. Read it again.

Sandman deserved this nerf, but Cleaver didn't.
God is dead and you redditors killed him.

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>almost everything is a nerf

why did i get my hopes up?, gunmettle was a fluke, we wont ever get a balancing patch as good as that one

CHANGES TO MVM
WHEN

>>381284838
And "friendly" heavies

>>381285002
except on 2fort

Pauling 10th class when

>>381285208
What would she even BE?

>>381285168
No exceptions. Get your autism somewhere else

>>381285247
Female Scout.

>>381285247
150HP 107% movespeed support/pick class.

>>381279363
I stopped playing the same time they nerfed the Soda Popper.

>>381285208
Demowoman, because she blows

>>381279837

Posting trump proves that youre a coal mining retard, and your opinion is invalid

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>>381285264
>actually playing the objective on 2fort

>>381285264
>playing on 2fort while not being an autist

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>>381285002
>close match
>see retard Heavy crouch walking to enemies with sandwich out
>try to votekick him
>"Friendly Hoovy Main~ :3 (team): dude wtf"
>everyone votes no

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>>381285462
>actually playing on 2fort
It's like the [s4s] of tf2

>>381285247
She can pickup and use everyone's weapons

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>>381285208
>not the dog

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>>381285593
>tfw I votekick extremely vocal people who are butt-bothered
>top of the scoreboard guy who was yelling on mic starts screeching once I start the vote on him
>he ragequits
>lose, but it was fun
Always votekick angry people, not because they need to go but because they will react the most.

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>>381285593
If you see that shit happening on your own team, disguise as him as spy, pretend to be friendly and then backstab the enemy.

>>381279363
OK
i don't want to see people crying about
>muh soda popper+cola is OP
they nerfed the sandman so there is no other weapon.
So get fucked people , scout mains are mad

>>381285925
>Voice chat enabled in pub
Never ever

>>381285867
>giving furfags another reason to flock to tf2
no thanks, I can only play with so many bind-spamming medics named Judy Hopps

>>381286164
How else will I collect delicious (You)s from my own team?

>>381279363
>Spy nerfed
What the absolute fuck. Glad I quit this game years ago.

>>381279363
>That Eternal Reward change

>played tf2
>used to play troll scout with bonk and sandman
>would just go behind enemy lines, bonk Engi and leave

Another fun playstyle ruined. Who was crying about the Sandman? Which one of you was it?

>>381286702
It was my opponents. I was too good with Scout and the Sandman, so they complained and nerfed the Sandman.

Sorry guys.

>>381286587
Kinda sucks, I'm in the 1% that uses it and i like it the way it is.

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>>381286702
I know that feel bro

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Why do they never nerf the soldier?

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>>381287334
They couldn't. The slightest nerf they'd make would cause reddit to explode bigger than the sticky nerf did.

>>381287334
It's Robin Walker's favorite class
Not even joking

>>381287334
what's left to nerf
escape plan? market gardener?

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>>381284996
>give up on TF2 because everything fun is nerfed to the ground
>move on to overwatch
>everything fun is nerfed to the ground

Do i exist just to suffer? Is there a single multiplayer shooter out there that has devs that can balance worth a shit?

>>381279668
there's an animated short coming along with this update. So stay around, anon

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>Nerfing spy weapons when he is almost the worst class next to the pyro
>Nerfing FoS when everyone used the GRU and it was useless in pubs
>Nerfing the base jumper for no reason
>Nerfing the Sandman and Bonk when all the good scouts never even equipped it
>People are saying this is "good balancing" when it doesn't even affect the 6s meta and only makes pubs less fun.
However this does make highlander more balanced, too bad we dont have a highlander mode yet.

>>381279428
Enjoy every scout using the new OP pretty boy's pocket pistol.

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>>381287334
I think >>381287596 might be on to something

>>381287697
Pick up something different in tf2. Try market gardening. If valve EVER touches that there will be RIOTS.

>>381287748
Bonk doesn't affect 6s meta because it's 6s.

>>381287767
Robin has stated it's his favorite for a while. His favorite "emergent" class is demo.

>>381287697
I dropped TF2 around the time in like 2012/3 where they were nerfing the Pyro into oblivion. I've been playing on and off now, but they keep removing stuff I like. Who whines about getting headshot by a spy? I've played hundreds of hours of Engi. Been headshot before. I just respawned and shotgunned him back. It's like no one wants to compete.

>>381288014
>because it's banned in 6s

>>381288019
Demoknight*

where do we complain about this?

>>381288084
I saw the writing on the wall with pyro ages ago and instead of quitting I just switched since the way I was playing pyro wasn't any different from say, a scout. The shotgun was simply better to use than the flamethrower.

>>381287697

LawBreakers, I guess.

>>381288251

>Please continue to send us your feedback through the Contact Form on the right taskbar (under "Contact Us"). Hearing from you helps us prioritize our work and influences the direction the game moves in.

>>381287457
>>381287334
The problem with nerfing soldier or demo is that everyone will immediately start playing the other one

Every server I played the one day the demoman nerf was active had minimum 4-6 soldiers per team

>>381283432
pls gib sauce on set

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>>381288520
So we just have to nerf both

>>381288585
>what is reverse image search

either way, here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=930601354

>>381288506
thanks senpai, i was blinded by sheer incredulousness

>>381287748
>Nerfing FoS when everyone used the GRU and it was useless in pubs
Nobody used it because 630 health isn't as big a deal with 24 players shooting at you. In smaller player counts that's an absurd amount of health.

>Nerfing the base jumper for no reason
If you can get up to the skybox you become almost impossible to kill. Projectiles are easy to avoid and hitscan only does 6-9 damage at best. Even snipers have a hard time because you can spam it to move really erratically.

>Nerfing the Sandman and Bonk when all the good scouts never even equipped it
Good scouts didn't equip it because it's banned in every competitive format.

>People are saying this is "good balancing" when it doesn't even affect the 6s meta
What the fuck are you babbling about? Many of these weapons were notoriously bad at high level play.

>>381288487
>16 gigs of ram recommended

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>Rescue Ranger
>Ranged repairs now consume metal

>>381281882
>tfw I would like fempyro if the model didn't look like dogshit
honestly it needs a decent remodel that makes the suit not look so poorly rigged and low quality

>>381288251
And be sure to make a petition and whine on leddit about your crutches.

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>>381288946
>doesn't have 16 gigs of ram
>2017

>>381279363
rip reserve shooter, you were fun, but now your going to be a completely different and more generic shotgun

>>381289050
I don't use any of the weapons they changed except for the crossbow, and the rescue ranger, which I'm fine with.
I'm more concerned about the idea of future changes with this same retarded "nerf, un-nerf, nerf again) cycle.

>>381279693
demo has been nerfed a bunch already

>>381288520
>>381288660
Why don't you just go play overwatch instead and see how fun a game is when DPS are shittier than tanks.

>>381288716
Personally, I used to play around with the sandcleaver. I played with it as a toy. For the most part, however, this playstyle was for fun, not for real consequence. It was never reliable enough for anything other than casual and the satisfying sensation of landing both hits in succession, which was usually against unaware targets. Fun. But it was a gimmick so for me, I might go back to trying something else. They didn't buff the winger, which is somewhat surprising considering what a flaming turd it is other than that nice jump boost (but nothing else.) As a weapon it's kinda garbage. The pretty boy's pocket pistol, however...

That buff will infuriate everyone in this game. Mark my words. You will hate it. The increase in damage potential and healing will make almost every scout run this and it will make the black box as a crutch seem like little more than an adhesive strip in comparison to how much of a crutch this thing will become. The heal doesn't scale with damage. just hits. 3 potshots at anyone unaware and that's the same as a large hit from a black box rocket. Add to that the MASSIVE firing speed increase and you'll have scouts at full HP all the damn time. it'll be a nightmare.

>>381288993
It's funny but I'm not even mad about it. It was pretty damn strong and made sentries last a lot longer than I could ever repair with metal alone. Plus other engies can't use it the same way, so it might be fun using an actual shotgun again.

>>381287697
> I enjoy one shotting people before they have a chance to fight back
Fucking coward.

Shotgun > Gunboats

>>381288993
GIT

>>381289176
>I'm more concerned about the idea of future changes with this same retarded "nerf, un-nerf, nerf again) cycle.
So you'd rather they just leave everything as is and never try to fix anything ever

>>381289349
inb4 m-muh ROLLOUTS

>>381289235
Roadhog was just gutted, and he was the only tank dps.

>>381289348
I think you quoted the wrong post

>>381282152
bonk is mainly for getting around sentry
you can dodge a sentry

>>381289235
I'm genuinely baffled about the point you're trying to make since there aren't fucking 'tanks' in TF2. Are you talking about heavy? He's garbage.

Then again you're defending soldier being massively dominant for the entire lifecycle of the game so chances are you're a double-digit IQ mongoloid anyway

>>381280229
Never. Valve moved 90% of the people who worked on tf2 to cs:go. There is barely any man power left to create anything that isn't taken from the community.

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>toppa the scoreboard
>losing, playing with absolute shitters
>deicde fuck it, go le 1337 qwik-sc0p3 sn1p3r with the machina, berate and shit talk my team the whole time
>we actually reverse it and hold last on gold rush for 6+ minutes and win

let it never be said i cant admit i'm wrong

>>381289432
bonk can be used instead of a medic pocket uber IF you have a smart pair of cookies. Bonk -> run up directly to sentry and hug it while soldier or demo fucks it.

>>381289394
No, I just wish that they put a little thought into changing things instead of seemingly picking new affects out of a hat.
>the vitasaw is broken, so let's fix it
>i know, let's make it so it encourages being a battle medic and meleeing people in battle!
>the DDS is broken to other snipers
>let's make the sniper 100% afterburn resistant instead, because fuck pyros

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>nerfing amby
Amby was a decent sidegrade that rewarded better aiming with risks, stock is still better cause it destroys light classes easily with consistent damage
that's why you see GOOD people, EXPERIENCED people, and BETTER people using the amby to its full potential

>>381286702
Competitive "no fun allowed" faggots.

>>381289635
it's to punish hackers, I think

>>381288993
Lame.

>>381288993
honestly the ranger was too damn good

>nerfing sandmancleaver combo

Literally the only fun I have in this game. Time to uninstall.

>>381286872
>running worse possible loadout I can think of; Force-A-Nature, sandman, cleaver
>literally can't do anything unless I get the first sandman hit in.
>top scoreboard and get kicked for cheating.

I'm sorry /v/, it's my fault really.

>>381288802
You are baiting if you think the base jumper was actually good, maybe on trolldier but otherwise the gunboats was always a better choice. Nerfing FoS is also unjust considering it was the only thing that made heavy tanky and wasnt picked as much as GRU

>>381289635
We can't have classes having higher skill ceilings. They might kill a soldier.

>>381279693
its dead because their shit matchmaking removed any user control and the UI looks like complete dog shit, it's like they don't even play TF2

>>381288003
They already nerfed it significantly with the swing speed reduction. Fuck knows why, it's not as if comp players use fun weapons anyway.

>>381289410
Right and reinhard, winston, and zarya aren't used nonstop. Shooting at shields is so much fun guys!

>>381289536
>I'm genuinely baffled about the point you're trying to make since there aren't fucking 'tanks' in TF2. Are you talking about heavy?
Heavy and engineers primary job is to draw fire for their team.

>Then again you're defending soldier being massively dominant for the entire lifecycle of the game
Just because soldier is versatile doesn't mean he's overpowered.

>Join random pub match
>Either my team is a bunch of scrubs going against a stacked team or my team is a stack going against a bunch of scrubs
I wish they fixed team balance...

>>381280573
1 second of direct flame dmg immunity
3 seconds of afterburn immunity

>>381289759
then nerf sniper, or the DH, or the Reserve Shooter, or the Airblast, or the huntsmen, or the LnL, or the Scout

valve is imcompotent and rather fix the hacking scrounge they just nerf the weapons they use, well you know what valve
that doesn't fucking matter, because they all use sniper

>>381290047
>Right and reinhard, winston, and zarya aren't used nonstop.
Rein is arguably the only broken tank. The rest are in a good spot right now.

>>381289934
>You are baiting if you think the base jumper was actually good
>Base jumper is only ever used for trolling in pubs so clearly it's terrible, who cares about how it's used at highest levels of play I never leave 2fort

>>381290047
The Soldier is clearly the best class in the game. Like second highest skill ceiling, can do almost everything, handle any situation, best class to pocket, and shits on every class in combat. No counter. Destroys sentries and he can fucking fly.

>>381289759
I'm friends with the devs at null core this won't stop them

>>381290314
Second highest natural health. Fastest class to roll out.

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Sooo...am I supposed to be a joke weapon or can I one day be a legit sub class? If so, how would you balance me?

>>381290314
A good scout or sniper or even a component pyro shits on soldier

>>381290321
Tell your friends to make a hack that forces sprays to be enabled on valve servers or all talk on for micspam. All other hacks are stupid.

>>381290024
This is what makes no sense to me. They seem to make all these changes based only off the opinion of the competitive community, and yet all that happens is competitive players keep running the same meta they've been running for 10 years while pubs get less fun.

shotgun heavy subclass when

>>381290454
It was designed for a game mode that was dead on arrival due to the concept of the class that inspired the mode.

I.e. medieval was killed by demoknight by the nature of demoknight being good enough to work against classes with all their weapons, thus making classes with just their melee that much at a disadvantage.

>>381290263
No they aren't, you just think it's balanced because tanks have become the meta at this point.
Overwatch is boring as shit to play because aggression isn't rewarded and easy to punish. Blizzard doesn't want shitters to have their feelings hurt so doing anything on your own is impossible. All comes down to deathballing and the RPS counter system.

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>>381290454
>30% damage resist against bullets
>keep crits
>30% damage vulnerability against melee
>move 15% faster
>20 second cooldown

>>381290663
Do you not remember when Zarya was an unstoppable death god and when D.V.A. was super strong or something. They've been much stronger, Rein only needs nerfs.

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TF2 is supposed to be FUN
Valve introduced these new weapons to make things fucking FUN, change up your play style. HOW CAN WE DO THAT WHEN YOU REMOVE THE GIMMICKS THAT MAKE THEM FUN AND MAKE THEM WATERED DOWN VERSIONS OF STOCK

>>381290526
>Scout

50/50 at best.

>Sniper

I guess
>pyro

PUH-LEASE

>>381290663
what also bothers me about overwatch is they couldnt have any technical movement mechanics like rocket jumping otherwise it'd turn into the current state of quake champions with the pros shitting on everyone who doesnt know how to and then the servers end up being empty shitholes. fakin casuals

>>381290314
>The Soldier is clearly the best class in the game
>No counter.
He isn't, scout and heavy can deal with him easily.

>can do almost everything, handle any situation
Versatility doesn't mean he's overpowered. If another class is better for a specific situation you switch out.

>best class to pocket
Heavy is the best class to pocket. Soldier struggles against bombers and scouts.

>Destroys sentries
Engie repairs faster than soldier can do damage

>and he can fucking fly.
So can demo and scout has a high base speed.

>>381290314
Soldier is overrated. Sure you can stomp in pubs but in competitive he just dives because of that slow rocket speed and rocket damage fall off.

Compfags are absolutely cancer
>let me play COMPETITIVELY on a watered down version of quake designed to be a funner casual version of quake
>why doesn't the game revolve around a certain play style that 5% play

>>381290963
>50/50 at best.
Scout fucking shits on soldier, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>381290963
>soldier jumps at you
>whips out RS and minicrit him as he's coming at you
it's just.... business

>>381280682
>or carry much of a down-side.
no pistol is a pretty big downside

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>>381279363
>So the design for this weapon that we had in mind ended up being a really bad idea, so instead of admitting we fucked up, we'll just tweak the numbers so hard that this weapon becomes useless or the complete opposite of what we started with

Valve just needs to die already. "Developer support forever" sounded like a good idea but this is just sad, at what point will they just stop.

Oh wait they won't, they're making too much money out of flaming hats.

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>>381290942
Because it's not fun for those who don't use that weapons AKA snipers getting unfairly buttblasted by spies with ambassador

>>381291218
>let me play COMPETITIVELY on and updated version of a quake mod designed to be a funner casual version of that quake mod
I mean semantics but it felt necessary to note robin made qtf as a way to add fun and more life to quake.

>>381290526
Reflecting is pretty hit or miss. Fail a reflect and you're dead.

>>381291481
are they though? I mean how much revenue does tf2 bring in compared to cs:go or dota 2? maybe they just have the b team work on tf2 at this point.

>2017
>people still play tf2
>people still use steam.

Hahahahahaha. And I see Valve is using their tried and true fag tactic of pointless balance changes to stir up the community. Probably still haven't fixed the cheat engine hack where you can turn on the allow wait command and use illegal scripts on all servers. You fucks.

>>381291218
no clearly it would be much better if we balanced around pub trash and not the best players in the game.
next update pyro and heavy are removed from the game and spy and sniper get massive buffs.

>>381279363
>removing the meme shield's quickscope immunity
ruh-roh

>>381291405
post evidence of this. The match up is always in the soldier's favor unless the scout is way better.

>>381291815
This is Tigole's argument all over again.

That "pub trash" you have such disdain for is the majority playerbase and who is keeping the game alive.

>>381280036
You do realize this is a preview right? You still know how to read don't you?

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>>381279363
Why are they obsessed with usage rates? Surely some weapons should be more of a novelty/highly situational and not used much at all.

>>381291979
>post evidence of this. The match up is always in the soldier's favor unless the scout is way better.
Do you only play in pubs? Honest question here.

>>381292074
Usage rates are a good indicator of whether something might be busted or broken, but it's not a hard confirmation.

>>381289424
> Everything fun is nerfed to the ground
The only things getting nerfed are one shots like snipers and roadhog.

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>Tfw go on 2fort and hightower and cap

If you're a buttbaby who gets mad at capping I laugh at you and your friendly heavy friends

>>381291979
>post evidence of this
literally any 6s game ever.
scout can deny soldier's rocket jumps and finish him off easily.

>>381291979
Not him.
Close range:
>soldier dumps rockets on the floor like a dog that hasn't been housebroken taking a shit with as much effort and care

Long range:
>scout's shots do nearly no damage while the soldier can easily leave whenever he likes and get health

Bonus:
Rocket jumping speed ensures that the soldier has control over the range and when the soldier can get health.

The soldier can control over variable in the situation. His own HP. His range to the scout.

>>381291815
>balance around the best
>remove everyone but soldier
>call it Soldier Fortress 2

>>381292323
>roadhog
???

>>381292074
That would be great if the player base wasn't 98% F2Ps that equip a weapon the second they unlock it, never questioning its stats.

>>381279363
I'm actually really happy with the changes to some of the weapons, I'm sad about the Dead Ringer but it needed a nerf, it was really just too good. Wish they hadn't gotten rid of the Sandman stun but maybe getting stunlocked by something other than a kill taunt wasn't the way to go about it. Gonna miss the fun with it.

>>381292065
>That "pub trash" you have such disdain for is the majority playerbase and who is keeping the game alive.
TF2 has been hemorrhaging players for the last year.

>>381292393
mid range
>scout chips at soldier with his 6 shots each dealing 40-50 damage
>finish him off with the pistol

>>381292402
No, then you just call it quake. As in the first one.

>>381292402
>give soldier everyone's hp, movement and skills combined
>run around the map spewing turrets, invisibility, dead ringers while firing rockets all over the map

>>381292146
I've played some 6s and highlander.

>>381292402
soldier is the only class used in competitive, scouts, snipers, medics, and demos do not exist.

>atomizer nerd

Literally who cares at this point? Soldier and Demo mains have been crying about that bat since it was added in 4 years ago. Hasn't it been banned in some comp too?

>>381292393
Scout does consistent 50-60 damage at medium range and has plenty of time to react to rockets.
You only think scout does low damage at range because you've never played against a good scout.

>>381292857
Comp bans are the dumbest fucking thing. Why remove something from the base game other than to stroke the micro penis you call an ego?

>>381291815
They did
remember meet your match and tough break
when you balance around the best you get shitty watered down versions of stock
you balance around the general populace you get fun gimmicky shit where stock is still the best

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>>381279363
>bonk's slowdown is back

>>381292885
In order for the scout's scatter to do that much the scout has to be at a range where the scout cannot cover the blast radius of the rocket. Meaning the time it would take to move from the center of point of impact of the rocket to outside its range is greater than the time it takes for the rocket to reach point of impact.

>>381292927
not even kidding, most bans are because of soldierfags complaining
>waaaaah ban the GRU, I should have to share my pocket status with heavy
>waaaah ban the atom, scouts shouldn't have an advantage over me despite me being able to 2 shot them

>>381293221
I could have told you that without even really playing TF2. Soldier mains are like the ones that cry on the WoW forums about not getting to use their flying mounts.

>>381293096
>>381292885
Further:
Mid range damage for shotgun and scatter is identical.

>>381292950
>remember meet your match and tough break
you mean the update where the competitive mode was a steaming pile of shit and valve ignored all the feedback they got from comp players during the stress tests?

why doesn't competitive just ban everything aside from stock? That's what they almost already do right?

>>381292668
Alright then. Now, I haven't played much in the last few years, but I do have around 600-700 hours on Soldier myself, and some comp experience as well. For me, the only thing I hate dealing with more as a Soldier than a Scout is a fucking Sniper. Scouts dance like a motherfucker, and at the levels I was playing at they could react to my rockets and position accordingly pretty damn quickly unless they were stupidly close to me (like melee range close). Oftentimes I'd just get a few shots from medium range and just killed like that, lucky to even get a single splash hit on them. With the Atomizer, they basically stay in the air forever, thus making the normal strategy of shoot ground win game relatively unviable as well since they could reposition multiple times in the air while still chipping away at you.

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>>381279363
>nerfing one of the few instances where afterburn is actually useful
u wot

>"Sorry! Please just move over to Overwatch, this game should be dead already but bronies using tugboat money is the only thing keeping this alive"

What kind of patch note is this?

>>381293372
As far as I know they do.

Essentially - they are complaining about weapons they do not use.

>>381291815
compfags aren't even the best you fucking shit
they play in a literal safe space
>wah ban things that change the meta despite everyone using stock
a good player would use the items given to them to their own advantage
a good heavy would use the GRU despite being banned
a good scout would use the cola to shit on his enemies
a good engie would use the RR to protect his buildings and avoid soldiers
a good sniper would use the DDS to completely shit on other snipers and give him extra security

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>Darwin shield nerf

But how in the fuck Im going to annoy Sniper mains now since Scorch shot spam is worthless?

Aside for that shit the change only helps good snipers to stomp even harder.

Everything else is pretty ok

>>381281537
Give him base speed equivalent to the actual Powerjack speed.

>>381288993

RR needed a nerf but this is not the right way to do it, all it does is encourage hugging your dispenser and turtling

>>381293856
>needed a nerf

is not having a shotgun not enough? You're spy prey with that thing.

>>381282115
And it'll no doubt be hot garbage

>>381293509
Comp bans atomizer.
Radius of splash damage is greater than scout's maximum double jump height. Yes, really.

Splash damage max radius is 146. Max double jump height on stock scout is 116.

>>381293365
yes the same one that forced balances on weapons that didn't need them based on 6s standards where the general majority plays 24 people chaos yes that the one

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>>381293793
>>381293540
I'm glad I'm not the only one furious about this shit. Their reasoning was fucking dumb as shit too, 25 health made 0 difference for a sniper fight, a headshot still killed and 3 bodyshots still killed. Now they trade a worthless shield in for the ultimate in dipshit head clicking

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>>381285421
Butthurt liberals are the best

>>381294014
>Radius of splash damage is greater than scout's maximum double jump height.
How much bigger? Because you're rarely hitting directly under a moving Scout.

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>>381293096
>In order for the scout's scatter to do that much the scout has to be at a range where the scout cannot cover the blast radius of the rocket
But that's wrong retard, this is the max distance scout can be and still do 50 damage.
It takes 0.36s for scout to fully move outside of rocket radius. Even if soldier aimed directly at his feet he would still have time to get out of the way. It would take even less if he jumped.

>>381279363
I dropped this game with the comp update because it made finding games impossible, sticking to games you enjoy impossible, and having fun on your favorite maps impossible.
Like everyone is a fucking tryhard now on the best arena maps where we used to just goof off and kill each other.
Fucking f2ps capping on hightower is the worst atrocity ever known to man. Finding a good doomsday game never happens, and if I wanted to enjoy a good medieval sniping it only last for 5 seconds.