After all these years I still don't get it. If synths are

>>381263540
Because bethesda

>>381263540

because bread has a short shelf life

>>381263540
Better question: What was even the reason to build them?

>>381263540
They're supposed to be a reference to Replicents from Blade Runner right? Could they reproduce? It's been so long since I saw that movie.

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>find out FO4 has synths in it
>nice
>play it
>they're bladerunner style

god damnit, all I wanted were mechanical people that were well made/written enough to still brings the question "what makes one human" to the table, despite them being actual metal.

>>381263726
Weren't they trying to make humans that weren't susceptible to radiation and other sicknesses?

>>381264008
But Nick and DiMA already fill that roll anon.

>>381264057
That sounds incredibly dumb. Why not just build proper radiation cleanup equipment and disposal?

>>381263540
wait so why were they killing people and replacing them with synths
Like they could've just introduced them and nobody would've cared
why did they try to kill the MC even though he was vital to the plan
how are raiders able to hand build ak47's in mass quantity
If that brotherhood member was a synth the entire time, why aren't other synths able to infiltrate the air balloon and blow it up

>>381264008
Curie?

>>381264242
Curie was a fucking Miss Nanny you shove into a Synth Body and inexplicably acted like a person so Beth could pander to the waifu audience

In other words a piece of fucking shit

>>381264057
They try to make humans, but treat them as machines nonetheless?

>>381264445
yeah because they cancelled the cyborg project to improve real humans because hurrr durrr

>>381264202
>why aren't other synths able to infiltrate the air balloon and blow it up

>respected dude starts acting a bit odd
>people notice
>kill him because he is a synth

>>381264202
>how are raiders able to hand build ak47's in mass quantity
They actually have synths infiltrating rider factions everywhere. Not even joking.

Don't have an answer for the other questions.

>>381264652
they can just infiltrate it and suicide bomb it
Like aren't they meant to be expendable?

>>381264752
I guess but a suicide bomb wouldn't do that much to the airship unless you got some huge ass explosion

>>381264915
I'm sure if they can create synthetic gorillas they can build a synth with a mininuke shoved up its ass

The institute is full of social retards who have a romanticized view on all of their actions. That's their key flaw. No one would care about synths if they hadn't decided to murder all of the local leaders in a display of power.

>>381263540
>down to the molecular level
Damn, I didn't play Fallout 4, but this sounds mind-boggling stupid

>>381263540
how can humans turn into ghouls because of radiation?

>>381264992
>a mininuke
>blowing the prydwen up

Try more next time

>even paying the slightest attention to the writing works of Bethesda
lmao

>>381263726
slave labor

>>381265105
That's well within the constraints set by the game though.

>>381265024
I can't remember. Was it Shawn who decided to introduce synths this way or was it the cunt scientists that decided it?

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>>381263540
How did a mutated blob manage to create better more intelligent super mutants then the supposed best and brightest of the institute?

>>381265206
But Gen 1 synths were good enough for that

>>381265106
After a certain mission the Prydwen is full of mininukes, just have to set a few off simultaneously.

>>381264149
Nick was created from a full brain scan, he's just a human that had his conscious downloaded into a machine, he's not a true AI.

>>381263540
I would merge my cells with Danse if you know what I mean.

>>381265106
I'm sure that a flying blimp full of other explosives wouldn't take too kindly to a nuke exploding inside of it

>Solve the railroad puzzle
>oh man, I can't wait to see this new faction
>they ended up being a bunch of special snowflakes
>kill them all without hesitation

thanks bethesda

>>381265462
I don't think that would be enough
Why else did the institute need Liberty Prime to take it down?

>>381265106
blimps are really shitty combat vehicles and fell out of favor for a reason

>>381264057
How would creating exact human replicas fix the radiation problem? Also it's a non issue when the latent FEV in the air is not gonna be blocked by radiation resistance.

>>381265597
Because the institute is retarded. The only thing preventing that blimp being shot down by a rocket launcher is plot armor.

>>381265565
Yeah i couldn't stand those idiots.

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>>381263540
Since we're on the topic of synths. Pic related is actually a fucking synth. If you kill him you can recover synth parts from him.

>>381265565
the only good thing about the railroad is that one pistol you get from their quest
shit's fucking OP

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>>381265832
REMOVE THIS!!!!

>>381264915
They say they are using hydrogen, I'm surprised the rampant energy weapon use hasn't killed them all already.

>>381265565
>>381265789
>>381265869
Deacon is pretty ok. Too bad he's ailed with them.

>there could be a synth in this thread recording methods for defeating the Brotherhood of steel for future use when fallout inevitably happens
OUT YOURSELF ROBOT, WE KNOW YOU ARE HERE

>>381265565
That was one of the best missions for the brotherhood, I felt no sympathy shoving my large powered armored fist down their synth loving asses.

>>381265869
The ballistic weave mod is better desu.

>>381265832
From what I read back when the game was new, NPCs will randomly be replaced by synths (AKA it's the same NPC they just put some parts in their inventories) so essentially every NPC could be a synth.

Fallout 4 is not a good game.

>>381266109
Just wait for the Railroad fag to fuck it then we'll kill them both.

>>381265328
FEV gave him super powers.

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>>381263540
How would'vs pic related dealt with the institute?

>>381266397
>are you going to work for us?
>no
>kill them all

>>381263781
>bethesda took fallout and assumed it was a retelling of blade runner, but with a post apocalyptic setting
was basically the story i got

>>381266397
Probably would've incorporated them and backstabbed them later down the line

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>>381266282
Well this sounds pretty creepy. Too bad i still felt more insecure in Big MT than in stupidly-cheerful Commonwealth

>>381266370
And this somehow means that a bunch of scientists with a fuck ton of resources would not be able to crack the super mutant intelligence problem. For fuck sake all their work yielded similar results to vault 87 and that was people throwing FEV at the wall to see what sticks.

>>381266397
Don't destroy it and merely hijack the place.

Fuck, that's what I would do. Those scientist obviously don't know fuck all what to do with all the cool shit they have and are completely incompetent.

>>381266397
>Enclave and Institute form an alliance
>your son is so confident in his new allies that he schedules a face to face meet up
>They assassinate him and take control of the institute, killing anything that won't side with them

>>381266807
Seriously after like 5 years of Enclave leadership they would have dominated everything with their near infinite supply of expendable soldiers.

>>381266768
If I remember right the explanation is that the more contaminated a person is the less intelligent the mutant will be, that's why people from vaults turned into smarter ones.

>>381266109
:(

>>381264008

>expecting intelligent and insightful writing out of Bethesda

Mistake number one.

Wait so that brotherhood lady with no legs is in power armor 24/7, right?
She must be costing the brotherhood an arm and a leg in fusion cores.

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>>381266109
Reveal yourself synth!

>>381267080
Yeah and most of them are said to be pretty clean, just not enough to base synth dna off of, this is probably why the lead scientist didn't go crazy from becoming a super mutant.

>>381267230
It's a shame there wasn't a time when a suit of armor could run off it's cores for 200 years before needing a change.

>>381265206
Robots are already slave labor and they don't need to be humanoid. In fact, they work more efficiently when they aren't.

>>381267230
Nice.

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>>381266397
Based on their previous actions in games, they would probably try to take the Institute out along with everyone else in the Commonwealth simultaneously. Fight a war on multiple fronts without the resources or power projection to do so. Then wait around for the plot armored protagonist to fuck their shit up.

Tfw we will never get a game where we can play as the Enclave or at the least support their faction.

>>381267230
>>381267357
Pretty sure fusion cores lasting twenty minutes is just gameplay 'balancing' nobody is too bothered about their suit's power level.

>>381267582
>the enclave will always be known as evil faceless enemies because one tribal fuck and a vault dweller mary sue said so

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>>381263540
While we're at it, why don't we answer some of these questions as well?

>>381267702
I mean, they slaughtered people in vaults, killed kids, used people for experimenting bioweapons, genocided a sentient race and were planning to release a bioweapon to kill all impure people and I am only counting FO2

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>>381263540
Did Ghouls just become Synths?

>>381267582
If they were smart like in fallout two they would keep quiet and stay on the sidelines. Maybe use the gunners to gather slaves in exchange for better equipment. And if anyone fucks with them send them a message. Only in 3 did they try to be stupid with their tactics, and they would have still won without the giant death robot interfering.

>>381268006
yeah but they look cool

>>381268006
Well they did the exact same in 3, but that's just because Bethesda doesn't know how to be original without stealing from other sources.

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I almost forgot just how shit this game was

>>381268014
Ghouls not needing to eat or breath was one of the worst lore changes to date.

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I didn't realize that a side effect of radiation was to make your textures blurry
war is hell

>>381267897
I think it was a glitch that was removed from newer version that caused those human-like synths to rebel

>>381268158
I didn't it, it was so shit I put 800 hours into Skyrim afterwards and gave Fallout 3 star stickers for trying with a written apology.

>>381267897
The questions about super mutants are stupid because Super Muntants are stupid. They probably don't even know why they want bottle caps. They just know that Humans like having a lot of them and want it for themselves.

They say they hate 'weak' humans but they sure are interested in the things we like and our behavior. They use typical 5 year old logic.

>>381263540

>Making sense of Bethesda's writing

Slamming your head against a concrete wall would be more stimulating.

>>381263540
Why did the Institute need synths for spying when it was explained every merchant in the commonwealth was an informant for them.

why did the institute even give a fuck about the wasteland

>Bawww I couldn't join the most raciest faction in Fallout and murder everything not like me in the wastland.
I guess no thread escapes /pol/ cancer anymore.

>>381269010
you can join the brotherhood though

>>381269010
>Making it about /pol/
Nigga people wanted to be in Enclave since they first appeared in Fallout 2.

>>381268460
>because Super Muntants are stupid
Then who is their leader?

>>381269131
>>381269131
Yeah, I never understood that because the Brotherhood hated the Enclave in the other games.

>>381269010
>enclave
>racist
Ghouls are ticking timebombs that go crazy after enough time, And super mutants tried to genocide everyone that wasn't them, I don't see how they deserve anything other than a bullet to the head.

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>>381268238
are you sure it wasn't about the East Coast Super Mutants?

By the way, how did Vault-Tec acquire FEV?

>>381269470
How did the institute get it?

>>381269669
Didn't one of the higher ups respond to a tweet with something like "It's a video game, who cares?"
that essentially sums up modern fallout lore

>>381269418
The Enclave was not about self preservation, they were about being punting humanity on a fucking pedestal and acting like being human makes you a special snowflake when it was humans who made mutants and ghouls in the fist place.

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>>381266109
He wouldn't even be able to fill out the captcha you dumb dumb

>>381269669
some guy traveled to the D.C. area and took some samples

that is their only in-game explanation and it's brief.

>>381269974
What part of my post implied it was about self preservation, I was explaining how the mutants are filth that need to be cleansed. And any of the humans that created mutants need a bullet as well.

I hate this game, yet I can't play anything else. It spoiled me mechanically to where I just can't go back to NV or 3. I hope mods get better as time goes on so that I at least will have an enjoyable ride to hell.

>>381270212
Well at least it was consistent with their own lore at least. Shame they couldn't do that with the other contradictions.

>>381270352
atleast NV has fun shotguns

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>>381270371
>Shame they couldn't do that with the other contradictions.
amen

>>381270458
But the shooting is so much better in 4, and there's a bunch of shotgun mods too. One gun I really want back is the Lincoln repeater/Medicine stick, but the lever action rifle just feels like shit in Fallout 4, and it doesn't spin cool when reloading.

>>381270249
I'm not against killing super mutant or farrels but there is a difference between simply killing something that's a threat vs killing something because it's not like you. One is surviving and the other is a superiority complex.

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>>381263540
>I still don't get it
That's Bethesda for you

>>381270785
>A handmade rusty Ak47 is miles better than a hi-tech energy rifle made by the institute

>>381270634
The Enclave existed prior to the great war and were in part responsible for it,so I could very well see them designing a power armor to meet the challenges of the new post atomic world they intended to create. Then they improved it over the years into what you can get in FO2/NV

>>381271057
it was made after the war. Nuka World was locked before the war.

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say what you will but the pipe weapons were creative as shit
I like how the scope is just two screws inserted into a pipe

>>381270785
And I thought it couldn't get worse.
Todd explain yourself!

>>381271057
>Enclave existed prior to the great war
Not until 4 added that little fact for no reason.

Only faction worth joining in 4 is the Minutemen

>>381271178
Do you have the concept art that shows all the different actions they ended up not making that the artist had made an improvised version of?

>>381271271
Enclave or some form of it always existed before the war.

>>381271346
Please fucking end your life Preston Gay Ass Garvey

>>381271178
>hrurhrurhrrrrh
Still shilling for your shit game I see.

>>381271346
I chuckled

>>381264202
>If that brotherhood member was a synth the entire time, why aren't other synths able to infiltrate the air balloon and blow it up

He was probably a synth that got freed by the Railroad and then got mindwiped by them before he decided to join the Brotherhood. It's what the Railroad does to hide the synths. They make it so not even the synth knows they were a synth, and then the Institute can't find them.

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>>381265921
Didn't the Hindenburg still crash in the Fallout universe? Not too well versed in fallout lore but "Don't use hydrogen for your airships" is pretty much basic shit.

>>381271510
Yeah but they we not some damn Illuminati that all of the government was in on.

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>>381263540
The PipBoy is a miniature computer/tablet at best. It was finally small enough to be worn in the 2000 series. This retcon shit is killing me

>>381265509
>I would merge my cells with Danse if you know what I mean.

I would put a bullet in his head with tears in my eyes, because he had to be the example and not the exception, if you know what I mean.

>>381263540
because fallout 4 is bad

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>>381271639
This makes me visibly angry that they half-assed it on purpose...

>>381266943
>>Enclave and Institute form an alliance
>>your son is so confident in his new allies that he schedules a face to face meet up
>>They assassinate him and take control of the institute, killing anything that won't side with them

The Enclave would kill the Institute leaders because both factions would want to start up the new super reactor and this overwhelming consensus would cause them to engage in conflict.

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>>381267582
>Fallout 3 Enclave armor

>>381265921
>>381271704
Hydrogen is pretty much the only gas that is available in the quantities needed to lift a huge ass airship. I'm guessing the gas is contained in some pretty robust containers to prevent any stray bullets from idiot raiders or super mutants from bringing the whole ship down like the Hindenburg.

Alternatively, the containers the gas is housed in my be made of some sort of self-sealing material. I know plastics aren't as developed in the fallout universe, but maybe the brotherhood discovered them at some point. The prydwyn also has a fuck ton of powerful engines, so maybe it just has enough hydrogen to acheive some kind of neutral buoyancy and the powerful engines then keep it in position. There's definitely not enough hydrogen in whatever we're shown to keep the whole thing aloft.

>>381272052
Why? A literally who character that just sits around makes you angry? Just pretend she's in a wheel chair.

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>>381271639
>Mama Murphy would have been some wheelchair bound sage black woman which would have been neat
>they just make her kind of off white
The concept designers are WASTED on Bethesda.

>>381271639
>Stairs would be a problem
How? She's at the top of the museum when you first meet her. Then she's on the ground floor after you kill the deathclaw. Then her old ass goes to Sanctuary, and there is no stairs anywhere near the place.

>>381272226
>Why?
BECAUSE ATTENTION TO DETAIL IS WHAT MATTERS YOU FUCKING FAGNUT

Little details like this could have drastically improved the game...

>>381271593
Isn't a full memory wipe like that more or less killing them

>>381267582
>Tfw we will never get a game where we can play as the Enclave or at the least support their faction.

The problem is that they are always shallow and unnecessarily genocidal. This sucks because if they were more grey morally, they would be a fantastic foil for the Brotherhood. The Enclave essentially wants to rebuild the world, the Brotherhood wants to control technology to stop the old world from coming back again. That's the perfect antithetical values to base conflict around.

The bad points for the Enclave should be that they are tyrannical and exploit wastelanders as conscripts and producers. The Enclave should be feared because they train their troops to shoot first, ask questions later at the first sign of danger. Like they are trained to prioritize unit survival over the lives of civilians. Not because they have standing orders to murder everyone just because.

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>Danse

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>>381272251
>wanting token niggers in your vidya

>>381263540
bethesda writing

>>381263540
I still don't understand why the Institute couldn't have taken over the Commonwealth? Boston is essentially a hick town compared to anything on the west coast, and it seems very plausible and doable for the Institute to go on the offensive and take over. Capture everyone, force them into slave labor to help create more synths, and when they're not needed anymore get them corralled into central Boston and nuke the place.

>>381272603
Doc Henry's philosophy in fallout 2 would work well, they still are human supremacists but are working cure mutation instead of genocide.

>>381266397
Conscript them or kill them
If they can't kill them right away or find them, probably use the Gunners as a surrogate and then go in and kill them when they find the Institute

>>381272473
What detail? They first designed her to be in a wheelchair and then changed their mind, now she's not. Why are you getting so angry over this? It was a preliminary design. What effect does her being in a wheelchair or not have on your life? If it really makes you this angry, why are you even here talking about the game? Why continue coming to these threads and complaining they didn't put her in a wheelchair? What's it going to change? Why does it matter to you so much? Every drawing or idea doesn't become canon until it's actually implemented in the finished product.

And she's such a minor character that I just can't see what the fuss is about. You can go an entire play through without ever speaking to her. She's not important in the least.

>>381273136
Because it would have made her a more interesting character, to WANT to talk to you fucking nigger.

>>381270662
At least the melee/unarmed in NV is leagues better than 4

>>381267246
The institute FEV Super mutants start off basically the same as normal humans mentality wise but after a while their minds degenerate for some reason
Like that institute super mutant that is part of the main quest, if you wait too long before giving him the cure he ends up turning hostile and acting like all the other super mutants

>>381273405
*At least NV has skills
FTFY

>>381265206
>slave labor

The Institute invented the most expensive, intelligent and rebellious janitors in history.

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>>381263540
To be fair the game flipflops just how ""human"" Synths are. (Just like Ghouls. See: >>381268014 ) General consensus is Gen 3's are more or less 3D printed people with built-in cybernetic augmentations. Immortality and sterility are never openly referenced, but it seems the end goal is to duplicate some effects of FEV without the messy drawbacks observed of Super Mutants.

>>381263726
Because some nigger thought it was a good idea to jury rig an Auto Doc to print people.

>>381273304
So an old chem addict in a wheelchair is infinitely more interesting than an old chem addict who just sits in a chair?

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>>381263540
Synth bodies were lab made. Lab is exponentially more precise at making people than people are. Because of that precision, the bodies are perfect and don't degrade like normal people. They can't breed because the the Institute couldn't figure out how to make it work, couldn't get the cells to do what they would normally do.

This isn't suppported by the canon at all, (probably because Todd and co. didn't give that much of a crap about backstories) but it's what I would say if I was one of the dumbasses that works at beth soft and got asked a "Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder" question.

>>381265206
Mr. Handys were already a things.

>>381265106
nigger there's an entire mission dedicated to you flying in with a BOS strike team to clear out a base of super mutants before they get ahold of the fat man launchers inside and start taking shots at the prydwen.

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>>381263540
>How the fuck can they live forever or not bread?

Never played 4 or care to look shit up.

But do they ever imply anything of the sort involving ageing and curing the disease of ageing? Since ageing is a disease and fallout has a shit ton of pseudo magic tech that as long as its casually explained they could just say they cured ageing and that's how they can live forever.

>>381269974
But that's wrong they were about putting Enclave humans on a pedestal and exterminating everything else because it was tainted from living in the waste.

>>381271801
>Crying for a machine that likely killed and replaced the real paladin danse

ISHYGDDT

>>381265869
Played the game the first weekend it came out, maxed the critical bank perk, maxed crits and maxed ap regeneration when you kill something in vats, had this pistol costing no ap, kill everything realise I've broke the game. Haven't played it since

>>381272603
The enclave aren't so bad. If anything, they can be viewed as the last, best hope of humanity. The wasteland is just so cruel and unforgiving, the only way to conquer it is to be even more brutal. As the series often laments, war never changes. The enclave are a personification of this point.

>>381274372
he is the real danse
fucker was a railroad mindwipe job who ended up in capital wasteland

>>381263726
That's easy. As far as the Institute is concerned, everyone outside is basically doomed and it's all up to the Institute to save the world. But what if they fuck up and get rekted themselves? Well, let's make these robots that are basically human in every way, except seemingly without illness, age, hunger, etc. all able to be basically printed out of a big ass printer. If all the people are dead, then the synths can take up the mantle of human beings. Basically, they're a contingency plan for the Institute.

Or a big dumb army of supersoldiers because the writers are fucking lazy.

>>381274259
I thought it was more to aquire a large stockpile of mini nukes for BOS operations. I don't remember them being concerned about being attacked. The range on fatman launchers probably isn't even far enough to hit the prydwyn, but they could fuck up the base at the airport I guess.

The bigger question is what does the BOS even do with that massive stockpile of mini nukes? I've never see a BOS knight or anyone using a fatman, and it's not like they were needed for liberty prime because it uses Mk. 28 bombs.

And why the fuck is Dr. Li such a fucking cunt after your blow up the institute? She was on-board 100% until you actually blew it up. Then you talk to her after and she tells you off like the Institute was a bunch of fucking saints. And you can't even talk back and remind her of all the atrocities the institute had commited with gleeful abandon to the consequences. It just made me hate the institute more, since all the scientists probably thought just like her, that they were doing good when in reality everyone who actually had to deal with the horror of being body-snatched (or having a loved one replaced), the super mutants, and all the other fucked up experiments the institute conducted.

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>>381263540
Where is it stated that Synths don't age, or can't have children?

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>>381274765
Nowhere. Though the former was suggested in a terminal entry on MacDonough ( "self-perceived old age") but it was nondescript as fuck.

Nothing in FO4 makes sense.

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>>381271463

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>>381275356
Still mad that with all the mods for weapons the power fist got shafted. Would adding a gun attachment have been so hard or would that not work because obsidian did it?

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I get that Bethesda's writing is shit, especially since Skyrim, but what the hell happened with FO4? Why does it feel like they tried to shove in faction importance because it was one of the most popular debate topics for New Vegas, and yet didn't have any idea how to make them more than a bunch of blithering, gibbering retards filled with excess bullshit?

I can't even nuke everyone because then i'd have to take the Institute's bullshit.

>>381275678
Weren't ballistic fists some sort of custom job by the Legion?

>>381271639
I don't even think they wanted to bother animating a wheelchair. Looking at how the animation code for this game works, it's already mindfucking spaghetti from the bowels of an ill Satan.

>>381274690
>I thought it was more to aquire a large stockpile of mini nukes for BOS operations. I don't remember them being concerned about being attacked. The range on fatman launchers probably isn't even far enough to hit the prydwyn, but they could fuck up the base at the airport I guess.

There's a terminal entry on one of the named brotherhoos NPCs that nobody cares about warning maxson that if they dont secure the mini nuke stockpile soon, it's only a matter of time before the mutants decide to start shooting at the blimp. The same terminal entry states that the prydwen is currently parked well within fat man range.

>The bigger question is what does the BOS even do with that massive stockpile of mini nukes? I've never see a BOS knight or anyone using a fatman, and it's not like they were needed for liberty prime because it uses Mk. 28 bombs.

Bethesda squandering a perfectly good Chekhov's gun.

>And why the fuck is Dr. Li such a fucking cunt

This is actually pretty consistent with how she acted in FO3.

The rest of the paragraph can be answered with "Bethesda writes poorly."

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>>381263726
>What was even the reason to build them?
Ask Bethesda

>>381275283
>Nowhere. Though the former was suggested in a terminal entry on MacDonough ( "self-perceived old age") but it was nondescript as fuck.
I took this to mean that he felt as old as the man he's pretending to be, as opposed to his real age which is probably only a few years.

>>381276306
Speaking of animations, why the fuck does Bethesda not do mocap instead of recycling the old Oblivion animations made by Todd's high school buddy?

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>>381275356
>original Fallout the Power Fist was a glove
>new Fallout the Power Fist is a Boxing Glove on a spring

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>>381276574
likewise, as I've mentioned before official sources are lacking

the wiki is written by a majority and they seem to think Synths don't age. Now - In theory, it would make sense for the Institute to create something that can outlast a human being without worry of breaking down, but as we've firmly established the Institute is pants-on-head retarded about their experiments and Bethesda even moreso for not even caring to flesh them out or give them a conceivable motivation besides "hurrdurr evil science yo"

>>381271593
That's not how his story goes. He and a man named Cutler sold scrap together and they both joined the brother hood together. And that was after he was a missing synth.

Danse joined the Brother of his own volition and not the institutes.

>>381276575
Probably because it's easier to half-ass it like they have been for the past decade. Oblivion was awkward, but people could forgive it back then for its scale as an early title for a new generation. But then you get to Skyrim and occasional bouts of content feel like some mod author slapped some shit together (the Barbas and Clavicus sidequest in particular) while big, 'cinematic' moments have little to no budget or effort besides voiceacting put into them. And Fallout 4 is a shitshow all of its own.

It's weird too because certain dialogue scenes in 4 clearly have entirely unique animations, particularly the Salesman in the intro, though I don't know if he's mocapped, but most of the time it's like they just didn't care.

>>381265328
He did come out of a Vault, but still. Maybe because he wanted supermutants to become the next step in human evolution while the Institute pumped them out just 'cause.

>>381274372
He's an original.
>Crying for a machine
>machine
Did you even read the op retard?
>>381271801
Example of what? There is really no reason to kill him since he was never an infiltrator in the first place.

>>381274934
>actually have an interesting weapon
>scrap it because animating is too hard.

>>381267582
If it's any consolation joining the BoS in 4 is the closest you'll get.

>>381277447
It hurts even more knowing that Nuka World turned into generic hurr-chaoticevil-playthrough faggotry instead of being able to build your own Caesar's Legion-type society.

>>381277621
And then having to re-invade your own settlements. What a fucking joke expecting me to go back and forth like that.

They didn't even consider adding the option to view the Commonwealth and fast travelling to where ever instead of having to fast travel back to the entrance and then doing it again.

>>381277308
>Example of what? There is really no reason to kill him since he was never an infiltrator in the first place

Danse wanted to die Anon, because whether he was an infiltrator or not wasn't the point. The BoS took a Hardline against synths. Now that they know danse is one, they can't just say "oh well all synths are bad except this guy because he's cool.", It doesn't work like that. Additionally, the BoS has no idea whether danse is an infiltrator or not. What if the institute decides to force him to go on a killing spree? What if he malfunctions or some shit and kills other BoS soldiers? There are too many what-ifs and it's easier to have him killed than risk what might happen. On top of all that, he knows way too much of the BoS' plans to simply be allowed to escape and live somewhere else. He's simply too much of a liability to keep alive.

Danse recognized all of this. He might not want to die, but he understands why it is the way it is. To spare him is to spit in the face of the elder he respects so much. It's an insult to the BoS in the Commonwealth and gives a big middle finger to their goals and mission. He's genuinely happy when you do decide to kill him and while he might he scared about dying, he knows he's dying for a just cause.

>>381269418
To be fair, the Unity was about gathering all the remaining humans, turning the purest ones into super mutants and allowing the rest who were unfit for the transformation to live out their mortal lives, forbidden from reproducing, under the watch of the Unity. So yeah, while it is genocide it's not as pointlessly cruel as most genocides tend to be.

>>381277621
>Caesar's Legion
>not generic chaotic evil

>>381278063
they may be slaveraping fagfaces, anon, but they're MY slaveraping fagfaces.

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>>381277621
When you out it like that, I feel even more let down than I already was. Why does Betheseda hate fun?

>>381278063
It always bothered me to see Legion supporters to frothing excesses sometimes, despite the fact that NV basically only gives their "pay evil unto evil" and general capability any merit. Capability that crumbles without its leader. Not to mention the fact that the game being rushed resulted in a lot of development for them that could've helped characterize them more not making it to the final product.

Maybe it's just me, but they're mostly unrepentant assholes to me.

>>381278063
They are Orderly Evil, though. They follow a strict chain of command, have ranks, money, settlements, cities. They intend to create an actual empire once Vegas is theirs. They are like the NCR in many ways, only with more pillage and rape.

>>381272595
Yes, it's an ego death and the resulting synth is an entirely different person.

>>381265491
He's full ai because an ai would be needed to process the memories

>>381263540
>want to fuck Danse
>cardboard personality
Dammit

>>381274532
>The wasteland is just so cruel and unforgiving, the only way to conquer it is to be even more brutal.
Every good aligned PC completely disproves this though. If the player can rise about the wasteland, then the enclave will always look evil in comparison if operating the way you describe.

The game has to be a lot less forgiving to the player to justify such a cold outlook on the wasteland, it just comes across as them being too weak and closed minded in comparison.

If an organization operating as you suggest existed in a far less forgiving game than even FO2, but especially 3, then they might gain more sympathy.

Can't give the enclave a pass if they tell me the wasteland is too hard to be nice when I'm trucking along not being as asshole, but still getting by.

>>381277943
Dude who the fuck cares about the BoS ideology. And as far as Dance going haywire. He was missing from the institute, meaning they couldn't issue orders to him. Also, all you would have to do is hijack/take over the institute and remove the two mechanical parts that forces orders on him.

After that he's just an average human that can live forever.

>>381278814
That's one of the sexist cardboard I've ever seen.

>>381279212
>Dude who the fuck cares about the BoS ideology
me

>>381276378
If you side with the Institute and blow up the Prydwyn, does Dr. Li have any special dialog or conversations afterwards?

>>381264426
The mayor..

>>381279492
yes she hates you guts

>>381274663
But synths don't age and Danse joined the BoS when he was a boy

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>>381264426
>hating best girl
you fuckinger

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>>381263540
https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/668802348140109824

>>381279212
>Dude who the fuck cares about the BoS ideology.
Danse does, above all else he cares about the BoS and their mission in the Commonwealth.

Ultimately Danse understands why he has to die, and doesn't even really fight it. If you really understand him you'll realize you have to kill him. How could he ever live with the guilt of betraying the BoS like he did? And then running away when they needed him most? That sort of guilt would drive him insane if he had to live with it while on the run. Every day he would wake up in a cold sweat, after having nightmare after nightmare of himself going on some insane rampage to kill his brothers and sisters. He believes he is a monster, just another abomination set upon the world by the institute which he hates more than anything.

>And as far as Dance going haywire. He was missing from the institute, meaning they couldn't issue orders to him. Also, all you would have to do is hijack/take over the institute and remove the two mechanical parts that forces orders on him.
Does the BoS know that? No.

>>381263540
kid in a fridge overwhelms and wholly invalidates any attempt at bringing fallout lore back around to consistency or logic. it's too far gone.

this game contradicts itself multiple times not to mention the contradictions to everything prior to it. you may as well say it's fucking CHIM for all the sense it even tries to make.

>>381279665
>curie actually has to breathe manually

That must be hell.

>>381279381
>To spare him is to spit in the face of the elder he respects so much. It's an insult to the BoS in the Commonwealth and gives a big middle finger to their goals and mission.
Good, they were a bunch of over zealous hive minded cunts that would eat the elders shit if he told them too. Fuck them. I was loyal to Danse not to their bullshit ideology. Actually, most of the factions were a bunch of obnoxious shitlords in one way or another. I wish you could just make you're own faction with all of your companions.

>>381279657
story inconsistency
FO4 is full of them

but real talk, Danse isn't a spy. Institute didn't even know he was in BoS

>>381279958
only for the first 10 seconds or so
it's an autonomic function for synths just like humans, her brain is just adapting to new hardware

>>381279786
I'm not going to kill someone who has been brainwashed and has completely misplaced loyalties. The BoS is basically a cult couched in old world military hierarchy and technology. He doesn't deserve to die for them. He deserves to live and be taught that the light doesn't shine out of their asses.

>Does the BoS know that? No.
They know that the information you gave them listed him as a missing synth.

>>381273424
>Timing actually matters in a Bethesda quest for once
Wow, what are the odds?

>>381263704
kek

>>381269313
They don't have a leader, the are a massive, decentralised collective of stupid - basically /b/ with guns

>>381274934
>A gun that fires flesh-eating bacteria via flechette rounds to rapidly sicken and kill the target.
Wow. An actual unique and interesting weapon concept. Good job Bethesda!

>Lol nevermind. Too hard so we'll just use lasers.

>>381277445
If you knew what animating weapons is like, you'd understand (though it's mostly their fault). Look up stuff about the pump-action shotgun mod, you basically have to animate not only the core shit with tools that are both outdated and not easy to legally acquire, but you also have to handle every single weapon modification that weapon has simultaneously with each individual frame amidst a mess of keyname and keyframe clusterfuckery. Holy jesus fuck I can't even remember the full explanations for how bad that shit is. Even with Bethesda obviously having said obscure tools at their disposal, whatever they did for FO4 resulted in an absolute, unoptimized and complete buttfucking mess that is just disgraceful for a triple-A developer that wants people to mod their games.

Fallout 4 fails at a storyline that a fucking children's author could accomplish perfectly.

Re: Philip Reeve

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi51-wjcwp8
Reminder that everything wrong with FO4's story and quests is this man's fault.

>>381282487
No. You should not accept any scapegoats. Bethesda has been given a free pass on their lack of quality control for way too fucking long, and FO4 was a failure at every level of development. It's not one man's fault. It's bethesda's laziness and incompetence.

>>381263726
Im at that part of the game actually. According to Shaun, the "Father" of the Institute, the purpose of synths was the desire to make the perfect machine. Using humans as the guidelines, they took an untouched baby(your son Shaun). And used those genes/DNA to make their perfect machine.

Beyond that I have no clue why. It does help make the institute seem a lot crazy though.

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>tfw there will never be another well-written Fallout again, ever
Carpet bomb Bethesda headquarters and release Fallout from its prison.

>>381280028
>Danse isn't a spy. Institute didn't even know he was in BoS

He might not be, but the BoS doesn't know that. You can tell them he's not a spy, but if the elder doesn't believe it then Danse needs to die. I mean, he already needs to die (in Maxson's opinion) just for being a synth, but the fact he knows so much is even worse.

>>381280663
>They know that the information you gave them listed him as a missing synth.
They don't know if he can be recaptured or somehow reconnected with the institute. It may take a while, but what if he can be controlled by them again? The institute knows he disappeared near the airport, they know the BoS is there (or would eventually determine that). They could figure it out, possibly. It's just too big a risk for the brotherhood.

And this is completely ignoring the fact that they have set a goal to wipe out every last synth. Danse is a synth and so Danse must die.

Honestly the twist should have be that the Institute is all synths and the reason why they are really worried about escaped Synths is because the competition. They give no fucks about the surface world whatsoever beyond the resources and knowledge it contains.
Everyone is panicking about being replaced by synths when it's their brutal robot way of keeping track of things until they can go full Skynet.
At least then there would be incentive to NOT side with the ONE faction who is actually maintaining a decent standard of living and rate of progress.

>>381284693
>Danse is a synth and so Danse must die.
Yeah if you're dumb enough to buy into their bullshit ideology and can't think for yourself.

>>381284693
Who care's what the BoS knows. You, the MC, have infiltrated the Institute and know everything there is to know about synths and Dance's story. You know he's not a threat, and you know that the BoS are 100% fucking wrong. Blindly following their orders when you know the truth is something only a brainwashed moron does.

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Who gives a shit about the Androsynth?

>>381265328
Because Bethesda are fucking retarded and don't understand Fallout lore.

>>381265328
The brighter "First Generation" mutants were mutated from a stock of pure humans, Vault Dwellers and such. The stupid ones, Second Gen and 87/Institute alike, were mutated from tainted stock, which is to say, humans who had already been exposed to radiation/mutated FEV strains.

>>381288017
And that is an Obsidiot who did not know about this point.

DAILY REMINDER ALIENS ARE LITERALLY CANON AND IS SOLD BY NORMAL MERCHANTS IN FALLOUT 2

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>>381289761
alien tech goes back to Fallout 1
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Psychic_nullifier_(Fallout)

>>381290632
There's nothing in Fallout 1 that suggests those are Alien. That page says "possibly" and that's complete conjecture.

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>>381290828
>the weapon called "alien blaster" that you find in the alien ufo in the encounter called "alien ship"
>Absolutely nothing about this suggests its alien

REGARDLESS, its made canon in fallout 2. it blows me away that a game that takes its entire aesthetic from lost in space, with robots ripped right out of lost in space, could have aliens

>>381291397
>REGARDLESS, its made canon in fallout 2
You're not talking about that bloody special encounter are you?

>>381291548
no you can just find them regularly being sold by merchants, its just fuck off rare so its rarely mentioned/noticed

>>381287269
The BoS are hypocrites of the highest order anyway. They clam to be protecting humanity but you never hear them wanting to genocide Raiders because "Muh humanity." As if being human somehow makes you're shit stink less then being a Muty or a ghoul.

>>381293020
That's the weakest argument against the Brotherhood I've ever seen. Of course they don't condone Raiders, no one does. They simply don't take priority over credible threats.
To put it into context, you wouldn't send in the military to bust a gang who armed themselves with daddy's pistol

>>381293792
>Raiders
>Not a credible threat
>Kidnaps just as many people as mutys
>Were doing fucked up shit way before the Institute became a thing.
Anon pls.

>>381268238
I'm pretty sure they do age, too. Raul was always talking about how he's getting on in years. He's 234.

>>381293792
You're missing the point that the BoS only care about threats based on predigest not because they hurt innocent individuals just trying to make a decent living. If they really cared about helping the common person they would care about all threats equally.

The Minuitmen are the only faction that doesn't care what you are as long as you can add to the community and aren't a disruptive cunt. They would have been the best faction if they weren't a bunch of fucking obnoxious idiots who always need to be saved and can't wipe their own asses without the MC.

Also, Preston is the most boring annoying companion in the game.

>>381294873
Maybe it's just the mind getting tired of existing.