>it's about paying the hard-working mod creators! >why

>>381193447
itt: people who have never modded a single thing in any game in their entire lives explain why mod creators shouldn't get paid

>>381193447
>be modder
>receive literally 0$ for my hard work
>valve makes it 25%

"F-F-FUCK YOU VAVLE1! STOP GIVING ME MONEY!!!1"

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>>381193558
>>381193750
>pretending like you're sticking up for the modders while paying them chump change
>meanwhile you don't have to invest any of your own money

How do you rationalise this as someone who's just a customer? Why do you defend these people?

memes aside, this reminds me of cemu, it's basically the same shit.

people made x thing for free for years and now that everybody can profit on it they become salty because they did it for free.

that's so fucking retarded

How's that TF2 workshop item coming along?

>>381193558
they should get paid.

by developers and publishers ;^)

>>381193860
as a customer, the best thing would be a pay-what-you-want, including for free model for workshop mods. that way you can still get what you want for free, while if you want to support the developer you can easily give the some tip

>>381193558
Check out this retard.
Bet you're a cuck who'd be happy receiving only 1/4th of your salary cause it's your boss that made you working here possible, so it's only fair he gets 3/4th of it.

>>381193970
>1/4th of salary
>instead of working for free

yeah, no fucking way i'd agree to that

>>381193558
>>381193750
>25%.
>25 fucking percent.
I'd rather work for donations, or for free.

>>381193558
If the modders get 60-80% of the profits I'd be fine with that.

But anything less is absolutely shit.

>>381193558
They should get paid for their work. Luckily, there already is a way to donate directly to the creators without needing to reward Beth and Valve for doing absolutely nothing. Why should I pay these 2 multi-billion dollar companies 75% of the profit while the mod author whose work I like gets a mere 25%?

>>381193447
jesus is that legit?

>>381193860
>>381193970
>>381194025
>>381194032
>>381194072
and right on time a bunch of non modding niggers that probably can't even work their way around cheat engine that think their "opinions" matter

>>381193558
>25%
They do get paid. By being given a job.
Valve has literally 300 people working at their company when they should have a minimum of 3,000.
Valve are skimping and cutting corners on costs wherever they can to funnel more money into their own pockets.

>>381194025
>I'd rather work for donations, or for free.
>implying

but anyway you still can do it for free while i get paid my 25%, don't worry

>>381193558
If modder's share was 90%+, I'd be ok with paying for mods. If you think I'm going to pay Bethesda 75% for patches and content that they didn't even produce, you're out of your goddamn mind, buddy.

>valve crated a platform that allows people to make a profit off of their 3d modeling and mods and thus take 75% of the total sale of their work
You know Valve could have just done nothing for modders and modelers right? I'm sure that Patreon money was just flowing for these people before they took this offer right?

>>381194185
How is anything they said bad? Most are arguing that modders should get MORE, not less.

>do all the work
>get 25% of the profits
>big corporation gets 75%
i'd rather make free shit

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>>381194185
Stop baiting thanks.
>>381194148
Yep. This is what Valve proposed the modders should be paid for their work.

They then tried to defend it as "supporting mod creators" even though that can literally be done by donations and HIRING the mod makers, which is what the industry has been doing for the last 2 decades.

Hiring mod makers is how Valve's three major games became so big. Team Fortress was a mod that they hired people from. Dota was a mod they hired Icefrog from. Counter-Strike was a mod they hired people from.

But instead, now they'd rather not hire mod makers and instead take 65% of the profits from their work, while pretending there's no other options. Fucking hypocrites.

>>381194320
And you're free to choose that. Or you could choose to take the offers these companies give you. There's nothing inherently bad about options.

>>381194185
Says the guy who wants to pay papa Beth and Valve the lion's share for no reason. Why do you not want modders to truly get paid what they deserve anon? Do you hate mods?

>>381194368
this has nothing to do with mods though.

this is for dota 2 workshop items.

>/v/ knowing what they're talking about before pissing their pants
can't have that

>>381194256
3D modelers creating content for VALVE'S GAMES, is a mutually beneficial deal.
It's not like Valve created the platform out of the goodness of their hearts, they're literally making money off of their work.

>>381194368
yeah it's bait because its true

you're all just mad you can't get free shit anymore and complain about it under the pretense that you feel for the hard working modders when you don't have a single clue about modding. In short go fuck yourselves

>>381194223
good goy

>>381194462
Nah. You're just mad because people can see through your bullshit scheme Beth and you can't get the free money you've always wanted this past decade. Go fuck yourself.

>>381194426
Workshop items are technically modifications to the game. They're minor, but they're there and they're made by people unaffiliated with the company that produced the game and you have to pay to access them. You can rationalise this all you want, but this is the bottom line.

>>381194597
yeah I'm super mad

enjoy paying for good mods like you always should have been doing.
Or miss out on modding you know either one

>>381194526
stay poor my salty friend

>>381194597
>caring about how much money beth and volvo makes

literally who the fuck cares

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So wait I missed E3, paid mods are a thing again now? Why isn't there a huge shitstorm like before?

>>381194738
keep lining my pockets goy

>>381194671
nah son models and skins aren't mods. "Mods" modify game logic.

Here's the bottom line
>people are now getting paid for shit they did for free for 20 years

>>381194769
You should check the like/dislike ratio on the Creation Club video.

>>381194734
It's just Beth games so I'll just give it a pass.

>>381194738
>not calling out scummy business models

>>381194769
because people have realized modders deserve to get paid for their work

>>381194797
here's the bottom line
>corporations are taking 75% of the profits while doing none of the work
you are literally retarded if you let them do that to you

>>381194797
>people are now getting taken advantage of by corporations who pocket most of the money while inputing ZERO

Fixed it for you, honeybunny.

>>381194891
How much profit do the dota models and skins sell for without valve selling them and taking 75%?

just curious how much they're worth on the open market

>>381194769
There have been multiple threads about it but it's going to burn on its own. Beth are already marketing it poorly by insisting it's not paid mods when it clearly is. Even journos are calling them out on it.

>disincentivize collaboration between modders
>make them work within the arbitrary constraints of your platform (see skyrim workshop, .bsas and plugins only)

This will kill modding and actual literal cucks defend it.

I rarely use mods as it is. If they aren't well made, free passion products I won't use them at all and believe others shouldn't. What someone will do for money someone else WILL do for free.

>>381194880
>>381194796

>b-b-but muh justice!!! it's not fair!!!

i literally couldn't care less about it.

personally i've never paid for a mod, but if i found tamriel rebuilt on steam workshop i'd tip something.

anyway, don't like it don't pay for it, more choice is always a good thing

>>381194951
>this will kill modding

says the person who has never modded

>>381194769
Because it's Bethesda's own thing. This time Valve has nothing to do with it.

>>381194884
And ignore faggots like this who are either false flaggers or jews

>>381195006
>says the person who has never modded

>>381195006

Since you keep repeating this, Examples of your mods?

>>381194797
If the thing you're putting in isn't part of the base game then it's a mod. Doesn't matter if its a skin.
Mod is short for modification not 'Modifies game logic'

>>381195039
keep whining about not getting free shit

>>381194994
There's nothing stopping you from donating straight to the mod author. Much better solution than giving Beth money for nothing and there still isn't a sound argument against doing so. Why would I pay Beth anything at all for doing nothing when I can send money straight to the mod authors?

>>381195064
workshop items are added to the base game for 100% of all players, therefore are not mods. They are part of the base game that valve pays for.

>>381193558

go fuck yourself

I'm a modder (modded games and released those mods since 10 years) and I say fuck you, gaben and todd you pieces of shit

>>381195236
>I'm a modder (modded games and released those mods since 10 years)
then stop making mods and continue to not get paid for them nigger

doesn't matter to me, bethesda, valve or anybody that can do anything about it

>be me
>not a redditor, thank Allah
>excited for steam workshop CS:GO skin creation since it doesn't involve modeling
>make like 30 skins
>quickly realize people just steal skins
>Valve doesn't go through and select skins, it's all based on you gets ht most upboats
>skin makers do nothing but shill on your skins "gr8 skin, up voted so pls do the same"
>you can check the traffic stats and see that most of these shit heads don't actually vote
>chosen skins eventually are just the same 3 people every crate
>only getting 25% for working on them and shilling them while Valve gets that 75% for doing nothing

Worst part is maybe that Valve themselves actually took one of my skins, renamed the series, and sold it as one of their official skins. Not sure if I should be flattered or pissed.

>>381194426
Oh, thought we were talking paid mods since 25% is how much Valve offered mod creators then.

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>>381193447
>>you some kind of communist?

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what compels people to defend corporations? This is all just bait right?

>>381195640
if the consumers are being unjustified whiny little babbies I don't see anything wrong with it

>>381195640
Some people are just dummies.

But then again people who enjoy and praise Bethesda are either normies or insane.

>>381195159
i know this sounds lame, but it's simply an accessibility issue.

>google TR website
>search the donation page
>click donate
>do all the paypal 2fa login bullshit
>check if have money on card
>download the mod
>10 minutes for reading readme and installation
>1 hour to google and fix incompatibilities
>finally play the game

against

>click buy 2 times on steam store

>>381193447
Patreon takes like 5% off a pledge, why settle for 25% lol.

>>381195752
>10 minutes for reading readme and installation
confirmed for acutally never installing any mods

>>381195834
confirmed for never installing tamriel rebuilt, 10 minutes are optimistic

>>381195640
the funny thing is that if it was some indie studio i liked or something i wouldn't mind supporting them in that way but bethesda is complete garbage, they crank out half finished games so that modders can finish them and now they want to nickel and dime you for that too

>>381195834
confirmed for never installing more than 10 mods

>>381195710
>unhinging your jaw so you can deepthroat corporate cock more efficiently

>>381195752
>find mod you like on Nexus
>download using Nexus Mod Manager
>double click mod to activate
>click donate button on mod page
>login and donate
Not as complicated as you would want to think, honestly. Incompatibility between mods still becomes an issue even if downloaded via the steam workshop so I'm not sure why you omitted that.

>>381193447
That number doesn't seem very fair, a 50% cut would be more appropriate

>>381195961
i'd need to install another 3rd party and still do all the paypal procedure to donate

>>381196027
pffsshh entitled pixel shaper, you should be glad we are allowing you to get this kind of money in the first place

>>381196120
You'll still need to input your card details into steam to purchase things there too.
>I can save my info on steam
Well, guess what? You can save your payment info to paypal too.

You do have to install a 3rd party software though. Thankfully it's free and only necessary when downloading and installing mods.

>>381193447
You're a fucking idiot. Do you even realize what the numbers could be? 25% is going to be a hell of a lot more than the minimum wage that the programmers who worked on the original game made

>>381193447
>modder is okay with it
>third party gets upset for him and complains

>>381196291
entire thread full of disgusting modder justice warriors

>>381196291
>modder is not okay with it
>gets labeled as not a modder so that it fits some Beth shill's narrative
No.

>>381196291
>consumers are now considered third party
Nobody is going to pay for your mod.

>>381196291
>modder is okay with it
Nice revisionist history.

>>381196414
unironically this

t. modder

>>381196414
>>381196435
so once again a third party complaining

>>381196384
and the funny thing is that these are the same people that probably say that the state should stay out of agreements between the employer and the employee and call everything like that communism and state terrorism

>>381193558
Pirating mods is going to be great. I'm going to pirate every mod I can find even if I never plan on using them.

>>381195371
>...maybe that Valve themselves actually took one of my skins, renamed the series, and sold it as one of their official skins.
I'd just reach out to the community and show proof, expose Valve and start a fire. Valve will turn their head towards you due to the outrage from the community and strike you a deal. Such cases very rarely happens though.

>>381196502
Whatever you say my man. One thing's for sure, rep and drama already kills mod groups as it is. Money will just do it quicker and make shit a whole lot worse. Besides which, I'm not letting Beth make a shitload of dosh off of my work when people like me are the ones fixing their goddamned games in the first place.

>>381196241
i simply refill the wallet once a month

>>381196587
yeah have fun with that while modders still continue to get paid

Valve takes around a third of all game sales on Steam.
I'm sure Bethesda wants at least that much as well.
25% isn't the worst deal when selling work based on an IP you don't own and on a platform you don't own.

>>381196291
>>381196502
>>381193558
So tell us about your own mod, shill-anon, since you're obviously one

>>381196507
they preach the same shit they don't want to here, typical children behavior ala this thread which is nothing but children crying about free toys that aren't free anymore

>>381196641
Guess what you can do with paypal too?

>>381194240
T H I S

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>>381193447
This is just yet another attempt by lazy businessmen to create another revenue stream without actually doing any work. Maximum profits, minimum effort. And they barely even have to do any PR work because there will always be some subset of fans who will support and defend anything the company does, and I mean ANYTHING.

>>381196726
but i have to do it for steam anyway because i buy games and i don't have to do all the 2fa stuff.

anyway, i'm not defending the creation club because it's the same bullshit, another 3rd party bloatware. having everything in one place is way more handy

>>381193447
25% is actually a surprisingly large share considering the modders only have to create the content. You consider any normal company would shave off 60% just for using their client to sell the mod, and then normally would do nothing in terms of quality control or organization. I honestly expected Steam to only let modders have 10% of the revenue.

But clearly no one here understands shit about money since you're all piratefags anyway.

>>381196931
Corporate loyalism is a mental illness worse than SJWs, but lucky for us all SJWs are corporate loyalists for their own self interests so getting rid of one will be two birds with one stone.

Why do people that don't even pay for the actual games act like they would support modders? Also what kind of hypocrite must you be to say that a company that spends millions and gives jobs to thousand to make a game doesn't deserve money but some random faggot in his house making some mod does?

I'm glad modders are getting paid what they deserve instead of working for literally next to nothing, surviving off of a couple donations a week. This will only result in better mods being made, which results in better games for fans.

Everybody wins here to me

>>381195349

are you fucking retarded, did you even read my post?

>>381196027
You are literally insane if you are ready to give 50% to jewthesda.

>>381197081
I pay for my games and I won't pay for mods under any circumstance. Keep your horse armor DLC in the trash you hook nosed kike.

>>381193558
I modded some stuff.
Never sold my stuff tho. Nobody would buy it probably since it's just small mods and levels on par with (or shittier than) other available ones.

The main problem with a paid mods system is that you're gonna need some kind of DRM, and that'll be a trashcan of disaster for many different reasons.

>What mods does the user have active?
>Has the user paid for each of these?
>Y-> Run game, N-> Halt game and output fail
This sounds straightforward, but figuring out what the user has active isn't always simple, especially with mods that change .exe and .dll files, and mods having different versions.

Getting mods to work together is a pain in the arse even without DRM in the way, and I guarantee it'll get three times harder when the system is busy shitting on itself in an attempt to sell diapers.

>>381196964
Fair enough. My beef with paid mods so far is just that I don't like being taken advantage of. Fixing up Beth's game as a passion project is one thing but when they actually make more money out of being lazier fucks than usual is something else entirely.

>>381197081
Because people already paid for the game that the devs worked on. Why should they get paid more for something someone else worked on? Why should they be able to benefit from putting in less work on their base game and making money off of the people who patch their games up and put in additional content?

>>381197121
yeah and I have the same reply for you

keep complaining, stop making mods and don't get paid or keep doing what you've been doing and deal with it like the others

>>381197113
>This will only result in better mods being made
this is objectively not true, and i'm the fag who defended 25% share in this thread

>>381194025
I spent hundreds of hours making mods, one of which was downloaded 50k times and most of the others well over 1-10k

Want me to tell you how much money I made from paypal donations?

>>381197196
I'll honestly just stop making mods. Hopefully others will follow suit and crash the entire initiative.

>>381194947
To be fair, on paper it's an infinitely better system since it has actual curation and functionality testing, but the Bethesda Funbucks (tm) system stinks a bit and the whole paid mods fiasco managed to poison the well beyond salvation.

>>381197113
Or it'll happen exactly how it did last time because we now have historical precedent thanks to Valve
>pretentious shitskid modders suddenly require mods to survive despite paid mods only just recently being a thing
>makes all their mods paid only
>nobody buys it
>modder gets mad and quits, rejected by the open source community for turning their back on it
>piece of the modding community dies by its own hand
>company backtracks to save face

But Bethesda is too fucking stupid to backtrack so this'll probably be the end of them, normalfags don't use mods and nobody else will buy them enough to support them.

>>381197278
some will follow suit, some won't

we'll see what happens

Why do modders need to be "supported" in the first place? It's an open source community built on hobbyism, and there's no evidence that injecting money into the equation improves the quality of the content. If anything there's a mountain of evidence that the OPPOSITE is true (see the original paid mods fiasco). The only argument I've seen in favor of paid mods basically boils down to "money = quality", which is not an objective universal fact that applies to everything regardless of context.

>>381197000
>any normal company would shave off 60% just for using their client to sell the mod
standard for digital sales is more like 30%

>>381197329
The only people who support it are niggergaf retards who barely qualify as humans. Tumblr SJWs are more intelligent than them.

>>381197303
I refuse to believe that Bethesda will curate paid mods when they can barely curate their own content.

Mod users don't donate to creators unless they are asking you to make something for them, even then they don't want to give you much.

This is something people don't understand.

Most people who make mods do so because they want to make cool stuff, however after a while this wanes. At that point, do you want those skilled modders to quit and go do a 9-5?

>>381197329
why should modders have to give out their work for free regardless of mod quality? Especially when the developer of the very game they mod also don't believe this

>Numerous well-thought-out arguments and reasons why paid mods should not be a thing
>Not a single well-thought-out argument or reason for paid mods to exist that can't be completely refuted by one of the aforementioned arguments against them

The modding ecosystem is perfectly fine the way it is. If you want to support mod authors, donate money or your time by helping them with their mods.

>>381197303
>it has actual curation and functionality testing
Beth can hardly QA their own games, I doubt they'd be able to do so for a mountain of third party content.

>>381197456
Bump up the modder's share and we have a deal. Why should Beth get a large majority of the profits for doing nothing?

>>381197456
>why should modders have to give out their work for free regardless of mod quality

Because it's worked fine for decades? Because we've seen how terrible the alternative is? They don't "have to" give out their content, that's just the nature of modding and open source itself. If they don't want to be a modder they don't have to, they can create their own game with their own unique ideas and sell it.

>>381193447
How about:
>mods are free
>however you can choose to donate for a mod you buy if so you wish
>you can choose the percentages valve/dev/modders get

I'd be fine with donating to a modder's patreon or something so long as no money ever went to Bethesda.


In fact I'd pay someone to bankrupt Bethesda.

>>381193558
modding is a hobby and entry level game development
you mod to get good, understand games better and find a job in the industry

Paid modding is a thing that should happen, it's the best for everyone.

However the cut towards the creator should be much higher than it is, talking at least 55%

>>381197620
Should be 100% and -100% from you for being a fag

>>381193447
>Not wanting Gabe Newell to monetise other people's work.
What are you, a reasonable person?

>>381197561
yeah that would work

If you ran a bar I bet you would rely on the good ol' honor system too right? fucking idiot

>>381195006
I have fucking modded and requiring someone to use Arse Rotation and Vectorfarting v0.0.0.13.36 Studio in order to make a mod will just cause them to go elsewhere.

>>381196664
With the Steam Workshop paid mods, Valve took their standard cut, and Bethesda took 45%.

With Creation Club, Bethesda pays mod creators when their proposal is accepted, and when they reach "development milestones". So now, instead of a free market where the best mods make the most money, we have a market where Bethesda gets almost all the money, and every mod creator is paid the same.

What do we need to do to sink this shit again? I stopped buying from Steam since the first time.

What's the next step in our master plan?

Didn't people try stealing other people's mods and selling them as their own content?

>>381197770
Bethesda fixed it don't worry it's happening and there's nothing (zilch) you can do

>>381197509
>>Numerous well-thought-out arguments and reasons why paid mods should not be a thing

Fuck off. There's just a bunch of crap about "being a community" and other ideologically driven shit.

>The modding ecosystem is perfectly fine the way it is.

Ultimately what you really have is "That's the way it's always been". The "works perfectly fine" stuff is just baseless declaration, you have nothing to compare to except your wild speculations. This is just fundamentalist conservatism, not well thought out and reasoned objection.

>>381197860
>Bethesda fixed it don't worry
Typing this immediately makes it Defcon 1, fucktard.

Nobody can fix something essentially wrong, let alone Butchesda.

>>381197620
>creator does 100% of the work
>only doesn't deserve 100% of the pay

Capitalism is a fucking brain disease seriously

>>381194769
There IS a huge shitstorm tho. Unless you count the dislike ratio of 2k likes to 51k dislikes on the official video announcing the project a major win for Bethesda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

>>381197818
Yes. One of the reasons Valve took down their paid mods policy was because of this.

Stealing mods was a funnier thing on consoles though, despite it not being paid mods. Consoletards stole mods and uploaded them to Beth.net for consoles that ended up not working or breaking their game entirely. Shit was hilarious though it was a headache to deal with constant "pls put on Xbox 1" posts on the Nexus for 4k texture mods, ENB or shit that required the script extender.

>>381197970
denial is only the first step

maybe you'll reach acceptance when modders rightfully start getting paid

>>381197695
Well to be honest any kind of paid mods are absolutely fucking retarded idea in the first place but if something has to be implemented (which seems to be the case cause the devs are greedy assholes) that would be the best I can think of.

>>381193750
>Be modder
>Do thinks for free
>Get angry because you don't get paid

>>381197770
It'll go down on its own, don't worry.

>>381197952
So, explain again why Beth deserves a large portion of the profit for doing absolutely nothing? In fact, why do they deserve anything at all when their game's the one that's broken and lacks content in the first place? People already paid them $60 for it. Why should I and my work be taken advantage of?

>>381193750
> find the person who never made a single proper mod
They should pay me for this, but then again with such posts, it would be way too easy.

>>381197695
There's a bar in my very town that has been there for 39 years relying on the honor system.

>>381198064
>be modder
>get paid
>am now happy

so nobody loses?

>>381194024
Difference is that you create mods but it is not actually a job, it is a hobby.

>>381197984
it is.
70 years of it and we all are brainwashed.

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>>381193447
I don't even get the entire concept.
In any game, I had to download all the packs, fiddle with them to get it all working, and see if it "works" in game at all.

So how the fuck could I even do this if I have to pay upfront? How do I know if a mod is up to standards in terms of models, animation, sound and everything if I cannot even check?
I have to spend 10,000$ just to SEE if it would work out?

(Can't say I am surprised, the business people who come up with these decisions never played games, let alone modding them.)

>build a house
>some faggot arrives and paints it pink
>he deserves all the money because he "modified" something other people built

>>381198034
>rightfully start getting paid
>rightfully
>25% from something you created.
Ha. Make it 75% and most people will support paid mods, but the fat greedy bastard and the hacks of bethesda want to leech off of people who actually have some passion and ideas.

>>381198034
Is there no organised effort to bring this down?

>>381197984
That's capitalism though you stupid shit.

>person who owns the rights is entitled to pay

>>381198273
But that faggot completes all the work. In this case that would be testing all the mods for conflicts, loading them in order, checking if everything is up to standards.

Having a fucking CRAB ARMOR does not look to meet any standards in my fucking dictionary, son.

>>381197984
>uses tools not made by him
>uses other people source material
>uses infrastructures made by others
OY VEY! I DESERVE ALL THE MONEY! I TOTALLY DID EVERYTHING ON MY ONW!

>>381198145
>So, explain again why Beth deserves a large portion of the profit for doing absolutely nothing?

Building the game people mod and the tools to mod it is not "doing absolutely nothing".

Realistically modders should probably be paying license fees, that's how it works for the rest of the industry. What makes a modder so goddamn special that they get to dodge this?

>>381198364
>Realistically modders should probably be paying license fees, that's how it works for the rest of the industry.
Fuck off this thread. They make unpalatable games like Skyrim playable.

>>381198271
yeah because refunds don't exist

>>381198301
whether its 25% or 75% it's not literally nothing which is what everyone itt is dying for it to go back to so yeah rightfully paid

>>381198273
It is called painter and yes, normally they get all the money.

>>381198415
>B-but it's not 0%!

I am not giving money to Bethesda, faggot. I don't do it when they make '""games""" like fo4, let alone when they do nothing, like in this case.

>>381198412
They could make 100% of those mods useless in a single night because it's their product and not modder's. You fucking autists are as bad as thieving scanlators crying over who owns the right to translate stolen property I fucking swear.

>>381198364
modders create value for a game they mod.

>>381198273
Ok lets run with this retarded metaphor

>company builds a house
>you buy the house
>so far so good

>want the house modified somehow
>ask an independent contractor to do it
>after he's finished you pay 75% of the money to the original house builder and 25% to him
>this is somehow fair and right

another way at looking at it is that you're paying 4 times more than you should for the mod just to line Bethesda's pockets

>>381198412
If I'm not mistaken you can boot up an unmodded Skyrim and play it. I could test it out right now.

>>381198415
You don't see any problem with selling things without any real quality control?

>>381198273
>buy a house
>hire someone to pay the house
>pay him 10% of what you previously agreed upon because "I provided the house for you to paint on"

>>381198364
>Building the game people mod and the tools to mod it is not "doing absolutely nothing".
I forgot Beth's games are all F2P anon, they totally don't cost $60 at all.

>>381198412
Memes, you can play Bethesda games without mods easily.

>>381198517
>hiring someone to mod for you

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>realise a stale buggy game relying on modders to fix it
>charge them 75% tax for the pleasure of doing so

>>381198359
>bought the tools/game for their actual price
>not necessarily
>pays taxes

retard

>>381194769
Well, it's not as much of a trainwreck this time to be fair. This time every paid mod will be curated by Bethesda, it's not gonna be the wild west like last time.

>>381193558
Im an avid modder of the popular game sm4sh. The idea of charging for mods is disgusting

>>381198474
it doesn't matter if YOU won't give Bethesda money, there's people that will pay for mods and as such modders will start getting paid for it. You don't have to do a damn thing

>>381198508
>>381198517
the state still gets some money off every transaction like that

>wahhh taxes are theft!

>>381198613
>curated by the devs who made games so broken, they needed mods in the first place
Sorry anon, I'm just not convinced.

>>381198512
>>381198545
Unpalatable means shit, not unplayable. Skyrim is bland as fuck.

>>381198686
At least people won't steal other people's work to make money, hopefully.

>>381198662
>Comparing sovereign states to bethesda.
Is Bethesda going to pay for my country's healthcare and jet fighters, faglord?
Thought so.

>>381198619
Nintendo doesn't provide any infrastructure, or support of mods in any way on any of their platforms. The most modding you can do in a Nintendo game is change the color of Mario's hat.

Of course you shouldn't get paid for your """"work"""".

>>381198697
For you, there are millions of people that played them without any mod and still enjoyed
>but those people don't count because they are sub-humans xD
Edgy

>>381198697
that's why modders put their hard work and effort into making it not bland so people like you can enjoy the game

and now they will get paid for it, pretty amazing since it was "unplayable" for you before these mods

>>381198524

That payment is to play the game, not a license to create derivative works.

And no, derivative works are not automatically fair use. Almost no mod qualifies as fair use.

>>381198662
but in that case the taxes pay for infrastructure essential in making that sort of work possible in the first place

>>381193558
>>381193750
Can't wait to pirate your mods you beta bitches.

>>381198779
In this scenario Bethesda is the state and the game is his property/national territory. So yes, they have a right on getting paid for everything that happens in it and to deny access to whoever they want.
Modders are basically immigrants that want to pay their due and do things illegally

>>381198364
Get a real job.

Why are americans so cucked?

>>381198415
>yeah because refunds don't exist
No tech company ever did proper refunds. Origin has the "kindest" so far, but it is far from regular online purchases in the EU (14 days, no questions asked.)

Judging from this, we would get simply fucked over.
> refund available for 3 days
> only 3 refunds each year

gg

>>381198906
good you were doing it before, only difference is now there's shekels to be made so thanks for the free promotion

>>381198914
that doesn't line up in the slightest and you know it

>>381193558
I have modded shit. Speak for yourself.

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Good thread my fellow Anonymous!

>>381198980
I didn't realize Bethesda ran Origin

>>381198812
>there are millions of people
People who actually "finished" Skyrim? (e.g.: played through the main story)
I would say a few thousand at most.

>>381199160
Okay, you're just pretending to be retarded, that's good to know.

>>381198914
Stop being a corporate cuck.
Game is a product and falls under product based laws.
When I buy a car and want new third party tires or mirror, I don't need to ask the producer of car jack shit.
The third party does not need to ask jack shit.

Please get some euthanasia for yourself.

>>381193558
Modding is fucking easy. 90% of it is tweaking existing assets and using tools that were created for you, uploading them to a hub without any cost to you. It's honestly a fucking steal that you'd get even 25%; you should be getting 10% at the most.

If you want to get paid, make your own game.

>>381199160
Oh boy.

>>381199220
you're the retard basing Bethesda's unkown future practices for a yet to be released program from a entirely different company's online store

retard

>>381198875
So, what you're telling me is that downloading and using the GECK or Creation Kit is free but creating anything out of it is against the law? Sounds very draconian, how is this 'for the modders' at all?

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>>381199275
This gentleman has it right! We should really be paid for allowing people to fix our broke- I mean customize our experiences.

>>381199046
Could've made some good donations if you had a spine. Instead you want to suck corporate cock for your measly 1/4.

Such a good goy.

>I should be paid for my hobby
Buy the license for the engine and make a game then nigger. Or beg for donations.
Modding community did absolutely fine for 2 decades.
And by fine I mean for every good mod we saw 2 go up flames because of internal drama. Add money in this equation and good bye TCs.
It was that you could buy a 10-20 hour game like Half Life 2, Battlefield 2, C&C Generals and get 100 of hours of content out of them.
Go on ModDB and look what games are mostly used for modding. Other then some newer TW or Warband, most titles are 2007 and older.
Freelancer, High Stakes, Armada 2 lifeblood for a decade was because mods could take solid bases and build of them.
Same with cars. You want a RWD shitbox, then you got to look all the way back to 90's and older models because in 2000's other than the Miata and Beemers they made jack shit
>Like vidya
>Industry goes to shit
>like cars
>Industry goes to shit
Fuck everything

>>381199406
you're bad at toddposting

>>381199257
>le corporation are bad meme!

Fuck off, they deserve more than all these indie fucks around. They actually produce stuff, spend money in research and give people jobs.

>>381199169

Roughly 30% of people who played Skyrim finished the main quest based on achievement rates. That's actually well above the average (only around 10% of people who start a game ever actually beat it) and puts the numbers of people who completed the main story in the millions, not thousands.

>>381199443
You're pretty bad at unironically shilling.

>>381199438
I'll enjoy getting paid you enjoy using or not using mods

fair deal?

>>381199441
IMO best mods were always made by re-using other assets and mods. This would be impossible with the paid shit.

>>381199441
add on to this that good modders often go on to work in the industry anyway or good mods become games i their own right and you realise there was nothing fucking wrong with the modding community before

>>381199457
I did not corporations are bad, they are just always endlessly greedy.
YOU and people like you are bad for enabling their worst practices.

>>381199509
It had free weekends, owner data is ruined.
See: http://steamspy.com/app/72850

>>381199169
According to Steam, 28.4%, or about 3,335,000 people have finished the game.

No clue how many console players have, but I'd wager it'd be less than half of that number divided amongst all the consoles.

>>381194025
No you wont.

>>381199457
This may actually be the most jewy post I have ever seen on this site. Holy fuck you're pathetic.

>>381199631
The only thing 'wrong' that Beth wants to fix is that they weren't getting paid for the mods that other people created.

>>381199457
>They actually produce stuff, spend money in research and give people jobs.

you are so ignorant it is funny and sad.

>>381198846
>and now they will get tipped for it
Fixed that for you

>>381199696
this is what capitalism does to people, sadly

>>381199389

Your ability to do that is conditional, Bethesda retains all rights to anything you create using their tools. Make your own texture, model, sound file, etc. and those are yours but the implementation into the game itself is owned by Bethesda. Try reading the EULA for once.

And yes, EULA are legally binding. The idea that they all get thrown out of court is a myth, they are just contracts like any other contract and as long as they don't do anything particularly egregious or illegal a court will enforce them according to contract law.

Events like this always remind me of how many neet babys there are lurking here. Anything to do with money sets you fuckers off instantly then you have to spout bullshit reasoning just so you can feel entitled to someones hard work.

Pirate scum. I'd love to see your faces when you have to pull up your pants and tackle real world expenses.

>>381198914
What kind of crack are you smoking?

Who let all these dirty jew rats in here? We really need a second Hitler.

>>381199696
t. posted from my expensive computer that only exists because corporations spent billions in research and manufacturing
>>381199729
and you have no argument, like the retard you are

>>381199781
which is still more than they were making before

>>381199868
t.wagecuck

>>381197984
You seem to not understand modding at all.

The game usually has systems in place to facilitate modding.
The devs often make dev kits.
The developers put systems in place to distribute mods.
The publishers (or other) pay for the bandwidth do users can download the mods.
The publishers will pay staff to check for theft.

A mod that sells on steam for instance would sell vastly more than a mod that isn't.

>>381199995
Wagecucks keep the world running you fucking neet faggot. Kys and do it somewhere remote so don't burden the society.

>>381198064
>Be modder
>Do thinks for free
>Get angry because you don't get paid

>game is updated
>mod no longer works
>Users demand you fix the mod
>playing some other game, cba to fix it
>mod users get mad because "you're lazy"

>>381199976
>thinks corporations invent things
Holy fuck you're retarded. I think you let your jew overlord stick is dick too far up in you and it damaged your brain.

Wait is this shit real? They only paid 1/4th of the sale?

>>381199995
>hurr durr I cant wait for my Universal Income.
>im so smrt

>>381193558
I translated EYE Divine Cybermancy to spanish, faggot, and although I'm ok with paying for mods, both this system and Valve's are nothing but a scam.

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>>381198301
I would rather have 25% of 50k sales than 100% of 100 sales.

As an example, companies who publish games on steam are forced to give steam 30% of all sales. Why do you think they put up with that?

>>381199989
>Give modders peanuts while keeping the lion's share.
>Don't complain, cuck! It's more that you were making before.

How much of a lapdog can you be? I refuse to believe you're not a paid shill.

Are the modders going to do QA? Because if people are paying for mods, there better be someone providing some quality control.

But what am I talking, about! It's bethesda. They barely have any of that in their games!

>>381200253
In return for having your file hosted,polished,updated and financial burdens taken care of.

Yeah that's sounds about right. Don't like it? make your own modding platform.

>>381193447

Can you link to that thing? I couldn't find it their faq.

>>381200350
Nice false dichotomy. Mind if I steal it and put it up for sale? I'm getting 25% of the list price.

>>381200075
>The game usually has systems in place to facilitate modding.
>The devs often make dev kits.
Which are both included in the price of the game or dev kit

>The developers put systems in place to distribute mods.
>The publishers (or other) pay for the bandwidth do users can download the mods.
The internet should be a public utility in the first place and I don't remember having trouble downloading mods before

>The publishers will pay staff to check for theft.
See the travesty that was valve's attempt at paid mods

>A mod that sells on steam for instance would sell vastly more than a mod that isn't.
[citation needed]

>>381200230
>corporations don't invest in research!
Embarrassing, learn about the real world

>>381197257
how much

>>381200374
you can complain, bitch and whine as much as you want I'm not trying to stop you from doing that

I was just pointing out the simple fact that thanks to Bethesda modders will start getting paid for their efforts

>>381200420
>financial burdens taken care of.
May I take care of that financial burden of yours?
*steals your wallet*

>>381200524
Research to make more money with less effort you stupid shill.

>>381200487
Again, the point of the company getting 75% is they not only give a platform a mass of people will be able to see your mod on but they can employ people to check for theft and for you to contact.

It's great.

>>381200529
A grand total of 50 dollars and that's all together combined total,

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>there are actually people in this thread defending jewish trickery
>lmao modder is ok with it so fuck off

of course he is okay with it because before he didn't even get a cent for his work, still this doesn't justify this shit and if you think it's ok then go fucking kill yourself.

>>381200420
>In return for having your file hosted,polished,updated and financial burdens taken care of.
They only host the files. What the fuck are you talking about?

>Don't like it? make your own modding platform.
>What is nexus?

>>381200691
too bad something like the Creation Club wasn't around back then, you would have gotten paid for all those downloads

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>>381200420
>financial burdens taken care of

Don't mind me, just taking care of this "financial burden"

>>381200537
And thanks to Bethesda, Bethesda will start getting paid for the modders' efforts

What was your point again?

>>381200664
>they can employ people to check for theft and for you to contact.

How delusional can you be?

When you have customers willing to pay and creators willing to sell you can bitch all you want but it's going to be a success.

They will start off slow, the paid modders will start putting out professional looking mods and then the market will explode.

Free modders are part time modders and won't be able to compete with professionally created stuff.

You can bitch, you do what you want but it will be a success and indeed it already is. There are plenty of games with paid modding already and have been for quite a while.

Go look at Warframe and the paid mods there, they are better than the cosmetics made by the actual company.

>>381200847
weak

>>381200420
Let it go, people here never worked or started a business so they don't know anything about those things

>>381200917

Get fucked, shill.

There have always been paid mods, they're called expansion packs you idiots. If devs think modders are good enough that their products are worth selling then they must be good enough to hire

>>381200890
It's already in place though, it's been proven to work.

Go look.

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about/?appid=230410

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>tfw mods are going to be pirated now

lmao get fucked

>>381200890
and thanks to Bethesda, modders will start getting paid for the modders' efforts

we can do this game of circular logic all day just let me know when you want to stop

>>381200961
You will be the one getting fucked kiddo.

>>381199845
Then why pretend this is 'for the modders' when it's all just scummy business practices? Sounds like just more reasons to drop modding entirely.

>>381200904
People capable of creating professional content are already professionals in the industry you idiot

>>381200962

Even some supposed sequels, e.g. Doom 2, are basically glorified paid mods.

>>381201024
not all of them idiot

>>381200984
good

pirating = more downloads = more exposure = more $

>>381200708
fuck off retard
it has to start somewhere, you think workers had all the rights they have today from the get go? get educated meme spouter

>>381201174
Thanks for helping the industry for once you fuckers

>>381201247
it's like idiots going WELL WE'LL JUST PIRATE ALL THE MOD HUH HUH don't realize they would still be directly helping out the mod popularity and indirectly the modder's pockets

lmao

How many shills are Bethesda sending out to patrol for threads like these to try to convince us it's a good thing for Bethesda to make free money off of the labor of others?

The thing with mods is that people get so many mods because they are free. If I have to pay for mods I will not use them.

Imagine if you suddenly had to pay the government money every time you wanted to eat with a knife and a fork. You'd just eat with your hands instead.

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>>381201174

>pirating = more downloads = more exposure = more $
>getting cucked=more children=more diversity=more people to take car of me when i'm old $

feels good doing the right thing, doesn't it?

>>381193962
>tip jar
That's basically been the case for ages. (E.g. the Donate button on Nexus.) Many modders counter that they receive very little money from that system.

>>381201457
I don't see what your second greentext has to do with modders getting paid but yeah it does feel good to see people getting paid for their work and for it to be initiated by a major AAA company at that

>>381201537
Sucks for them, but not every hobby can be turned into a well paying job

Unless the modder gets 90%+ of the cut, is there any way to look at it other than another way for Valve to make a bunch of cash by only hosting an online marketplace?

>>381201404
>If I have to pay for mods I will not use them.
this is basically it in a nutshell, I don't buy a game because of its mod potential, so I can definitely live without them. Paid mods will just lead to a lot less exposure for actually decent modders

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>>381201207
>>381201594

>let's take something that was made by love for the game and turn it into a business
>jews

now everyone wants to create mods, just like everyone wants to be an indie dev.
tho, nevermind i'll help with that "exposure" by pirating your mods brehs.
get a real job faggots or get paid by the company whos game you made the mods for.

>>381193558
Ya I've done eu4 mods, because I wanted that thing in the game not to get paid

HEY YOU KNOW WHAT'S GREAT! MICROTRANSACTIONS!

>be modder
>download mod from nexus and put it on the creation club
>don't get paid
>complain
>be modder
>recolor armor in a free2play program
>put it up on creation club
>throw a fit when people don't buy it

REEEEEE IM A MODDER I DESERVE TO BE PAYED REEEEEE

>MODDERS DO ALL THE WORK THEY DESERVE ALL THE MONEY!
>DEVS DO ALL THE WORK THEY DESERVE ALL THE MONEY FUCK THE PUBLISHERS!
This is fair
>WORKERS DO ALL THE WORK THEY DESERVE ALL THE MONEY
woah stop there you fucking commie!

>>381200990
Not even him but pretending you're right all day isn't convincing anybody and you know it.

>>381201796
>just like everyone wants to be an indie dev

and look at how shit the indie scene is right now

even then the most successful indie games lately have been crowdfunded rather than involving a major publisher

>>381200968
That warframe paid mods system has been running for over a year now.

I make people make dlc, I sell it, I get 75%, I rich.

>>381201796
I have a real job and now me and others could possibly have a manageable side job thanks to finally having a platform to be paid for our time and effort

Thanks Bethesda...

>>381200984
The majority of mods will be on console, if Beth are getting 75% you can bet they will put systems in place to check if mods are legit.

>>381200990
When you realise that the one doing all the work getting peanuts is wrong. So forever, I guess.

>>381200968
Nobody in the link says that they will employ people to check for theft. Wrong link or just wrong opinion?

>>381202117

I think you overestimate the willingness of people to pay for shitty recolors

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>>381193447
>old
This has been running for 18 months with no problems already on other games.

>>381195039
muh joooos

>>381202218
I guess we'll wait and see

>>381202204
you say peanuts, others say 25% where before there was 0 so opinions

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>>381193750
>be valve
>do nothing
>make community do all the work
>get 75%

>>381202327

>shit game with a small modding community gets 30% payout for modders
>only wanted to give skyrim modders 25%

What a bunch of fucking retards

>>381202327
who the fuck plays that garbage anyway?

>>381202402
>managing a store = doing nothing

>>381195640
>le ebil companies
If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as that

>>381201985
>all the money

No. Not anywhere near all the money. These are people who create content and never get paid unless the game owner agrees to allow their mod appear on the market to begin with. And they only get paid per sale of mod. They don't get paid a salary. They get paid 25% of each sale when they do essentially all the work. They don't get paid a salary. You could perhaps have half of a case if they got paid a salary, but they don't get paid a salary and they're getting used and abused.

>>381202501

>managing
>stolen mods with stolen assets on big reveal day for sale

Great management Valve

>>381202498
A lot of people.

>>381202485
Point is it works and will be accepted by the majority.

>>381202501
pffffffffffffffffhahaha
I'm IT and I can tell you this shit is pennies to their monthly revenue

>>381193558
I've made mods for a popular game and have a total of over 1 million downloads between them. Paid mods are cancer. Get the fuck outta my house, Todd

>>381202617
I somehow doubt that you are telling the truth

>>381202589
It's curated, not a free for all.

As in to be able to sell your mod it has to be vetted. All you have to do is employ someone that knows the modding scene.

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>>381193558
>>381194185
>>381194462
>>381194738
>>381196291
>>381197456
>>381198364

>Bethesda constantly releases games that are broken and buggy
>some of the most popular mods are the ones that fix this
>those mods go paid and Bethesda takes a cut
>in a roundabout way you are now giving Bethesda money to have a random person patch the game for them

You're literally financially incentivizing them to release busted games because they make even more money from having it fixed.

I can't tell if people are braindead enough to actually support this or if it's just for the (you)s.

>>381202659
Beth can't make their own games work properly.
How the fuck they will get all those mods checked and fixed?

>>381202670
Nobody cares, if they did Bethesda would of gone out of business.

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>>381202653
Fuck off Todd, nobody is going to pay for fucking mods. 25%? You fucking jew

>>381202659

Sure worked great for Valve eh?

>>381202758
fantastic proof

>>381202746
That would be the best course of action for most of humanity.

>>381202670
so where's the difference?
if Bethesda did that themselves it would only mean that some programmer with a fixed salary would do the job
this way the guy that gets 25% probably gets more than the guy with a fixed salary

>>381202758

>25 uploads

So you made 25 mods?

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>>381202840
>mad people aren't falling for his jewey tricks

>>381202670
I can get paid now instead of before where I wasn't getting paid

And the only downside is the fact that Bethesda makes more money than they were already making...

shame on me ill stop modding

>>381202769
Fatboy runs what amounts to an online pc gaming store, he didn't want the bad press when other companies are making competing platforms.

These companies don't care about steam pr, they make games that nobody else does and get most of their sales on consoles.

Are any of you going to stop buying Bethesda or Rockstar games over this?

>>381202501
>open a garage market
>takes 75% of all of shop's profit

how does this work

>>381202873
and only gets 25% of what the product i actually being payed for, the problem is that it's bullshit that bethesda are getting money for it at all

>>381194185

> modding
> cheat engine
You clearly trying to pass it off like you understand any aspect of mod development, but don't. You're a big fraud.

t. professional game programmer

>>381200790
>he would have gotten 10k downloads if, instead of being free, Bethesda was charging $10 for the mod
Half the people who downloaded the mod probably didn't even have a legitimate copy of the game.

wow wtf people can choose to get paid for something when they couldn't before WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>381203021
and what shitty game company do you work for nigger? I already know it's nothing notable so this will be a good laugh

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>>381202485
>>381202498

what the fuck are you faggots about? it's one of the most played games on steam for a long time now.

>>381202953

I sure am if next elder scrolls is gonna bu a buggy shit on release and the community patches are being paid mods im pirating the shit out of future bethesda games if i even pirate them at all fucking skyrim with no mods is dogshit

>>381203007
but without Bethesda there would be no game to fix to begin with

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>>381193558
But i've been modding stuff for years for Doom and Doom 2, Hexen and Heretic, Fallout, Skyrim, Killing Floor and Killing Floor 2, Sven Coop, TF2 and Garry's Mod for years and I'm absolutely against this shit you fucking oxygen thief.
Free mods is what makes games alive for a long time with constant, new and diverse content and encourages people to mod their own stuff and keeping alive the game. I don't want any money because I dind't create the base game, I didn't create the tools to make that mod, nor the code language to program it. Also I don't want people to spend more money other than the base game, It's fucking ridiculous.
You are straight cutting out the essence of PC gaming.

>>381201628
Depending on the time it takes it should, alot of guys on YouTube make silly videos for money but it still eats up alot of their time.

>>381203001
>make a product that only exists due to building off what someone else made
>the popularity of what you make is based purely on the popularity of that other product
"Why should I give you 75%?!"

>make mod for battleborn
>make mod for Skyrim
Decisions decisions.

>>381203153
it doesn't matter that you don't want money, other modders do otherwise this would have no basis for being created

>>381193558
This is some effective bait.

>>381193447
inb4 gradually increases price of mods and decreases percentage of creator revenue

>>381203134
>implying the devs who work for them e.g. people who have dedicated their lives to making videogames wouldn't be making games anyway

Bethesda are already stealing from their developers as it is

>>381203258
intelligent response right here you really got all my neurons firing up

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>>381202394
>I guess we'll wait and see
>do 100% of the work
>get 25% of the money

how pathetic can one man be?
>b b b but i wasn't even getting paid before
and now you're just a cow getting milked still eating grass and shitting on the fields while your owner is living the high life selling your milk.
>my girlfriend fucks jamal from time to time, but hey, at least i have a girlfriend now
man do i like analogies....

>>381203256
they are better off asking money for themselves rather than some random businessman cunt taking most of their money

>>381203160
Just because it is time consuming doesn't mean it is actually valuable. It takes a lot of time filling jam jars with my fermented cum but I'm not expecting people to start paying me for it.

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>>381203295
That shit has already been happening for the past 40 years anyway

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>>381203256

>Team that makes TC of Bethesda games don't want any money
>People who steal assets and make shitty recolors do

Really makes you think doesn't it?

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>>381202746
nobody cares because the shit that fixed the game was previously free

They will care if it's $60 base game + $30 worth of mods to fix everything and restore gutted features

>>381202873
>>381202941

I don't care about fucking modders retards. The issue is that you are incentivizing publishers to release broken games.
It's essentially paid patching except with the loophole that it's random amateurs doing it rather than the developers.

Amazing that modders would set such a destructive precedent so they can get some scraps that will come out at like $1 an hour of work

>>381193447
Isn't this valves dumb mod plan?
If bethesda does it right and actually pays mod makers and lets them choose if they want to charge money or not then what would be the problem?
Other than "I'm to poor and don't want to support people that spend time making stuff for me"

What the fuck is with the shills in this thread defending 25 fucking percent? Holy fuck.

>>381193447
modders deserve a 55% cut, let the dirty dev jews fight over the other 45%

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Bethesda should not be getting money for content they didn't make. If they want to argue that they should get a small cut for the effort of screening mods to make sure that shit's okay to use. But 75%? That's giving the double middle fingers to modders, telling them they are seen as potential income cows and nothing more. The fact that they made the base game means FUCKING NOTHING.

>>381203541
modders deserve 100%

>>381203462
Bethesda releases patches on their own tho
You don't need any community patches to play those games vanilla now

>>381203559
*okay to use then that's acceptable

I applaud what you're trying to do but if you can't see the difference between why valve caved and why Bethesda won't you need to look a little more.