>No cut colossi in remake Friendly reminder Sony can't

source?

>>381161510
sonyfags are brainless idiots that would eat anything that sony shits, why even bother putting effort when your retarded fans would yous worship you for everything you do?

It's a REmaster

They don't even have the same team, it's not the same studio. And I don't think they have the stuff from a decade ago

>>381161656
Not according to sony
>>381161604
https://www.google.com/amp/www.techtimes.com/amp/articles/210264/20170619/shadow-of-the-colossus-for-playstation-4-not-a-remaster-giant-slaying-game-will-get-a-full-remake.htm

It was in famitsu

>>381161786
They couldn't even put in ONE?

I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE THAT HARD CONSIDERING THEY'RE REBUILDING IT FROM THE GROUND UP

>>381161626
thats nintendo though

I finally played SotC a few months ago for the first time (via the PS3 HD collection). It still runs, looks, and plays beautifully. This is the most fucking unnecessary remake/port/whatever. If people didn't own a PS3, fine, but I can't understand why anyone would be excited for this, regardless of how good the game is. Just play the PS3 version.

>>381161907
You don't really get how this works, do you?

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Phoenix, Worm, Spider & Demon would have been amazing

>But let's just remaster it for a 20th time

>>381162087
Oh I get how it works

Sony once again ruins any possibility of something fun. You have a whole fucking team of people rebuilding assets, coding the ai, remaking the models, everything.

Don't you fucking tell me they couldn't put in an extra colossi. Don't you fucking defend these niggers who ruined the one fucking chance to redeem themselves.
>>381162221
I'm ready to fucking learn how to make games so I can do this shit myself. I don't care if it takes forever, I don't care if they slap me with a cease and desist, this shit isn't OK.

>>381161510
Good. I dont want the game to be altered.

>>381162474
>I want the same game again

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>>381162585
I guess this is what people want though

>>381162001
I gave my PS3 to my brother and never played SotC. I have a PS4 and look forward to picking this up. I enjoyed The Last Guardian

>>381162474
The just play the PS2 version or PS3 remaster.

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>people STILL don't understand the fact that content gets "cut" and never brought back for good reasons
you don't just spend five years making a fuckton of colossi and then decide randomly to only include 16. You make a shitload of shitty colossi and then keep only the good ones.

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>>381162389
>Don't you fucking tell me they couldn't put in an extra colossi. Don't you fucking defend these niggers who ruined the one fucking chance to redeem themselves.

It's the same reason why we never got cut temples in any Zelda remasters. They were cut because they were either not fun, adapted into a different colossi, didn't fit into the game world, any number of things.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that these colossi you've seen 1-2 screenshots of each were anything more that extremely simple concepts/models with a few animations (which they weren't). For every single one, you would need to have to go back, contact any of the people involved in the original design team, pay them for consulting, make a new area or at the least displace a colossi that was there in the first place, make new models + hitboxes + animations, textures, cutscenes, music, a spot for them in the statues in the palace, and additional dialogue/story. Do you think Sony is gonna pay a studio, whose pretty much only significant work has been the SotC/Ico ports, to do all that shit when they could just scrub up a few textures and put it in a new engine and call it a day when both would sell the exact same amount?

No. Because that's a fucking ludicrous thing to think.

They left that shit out for a reason.

>>381163309
You don't just slap new graphics onto a game for a second time and expect people who've played the original and the remastered to purchase another copy without adding something that they all really really really want.

t. Functional brain owner.

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>>381162806
They altered that game in the remake.

>>381163407
Clearly you do, according to the hype.

>>381163309
Except a few were cut due technical limitations you dumbfuck, the artbook literally states some of the colossi Team Ico really wanted to include in the final game but they just couldn't figure out how in way that worked on PS2 hardware.

>>381163490
I don't use consoles because i'm not 12?

DLC
Each new colossus is only $4.99!

>>381163309
At least half of the 8 never had an official reason for being canceled. Or the reason was bullshit.

Devil never had a reason, worm didn't have a reason, monkey didn't have a reason, and spider they were just lazy and didn't want to put in the animation for swinging the sword while riding agro.

Any of those 4 could have been put in.

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>>381163616
>I don't use consoles because i'm not 12?

Christ what an oxymoronic sentence.

I've never played the first game and this is definitely something I'll consider picking up when it hits like $20. Assuming it's good.

>>381163405
DON'T YOU DARE SPEAK REASON, FAGGOT! REEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK SONY

>>381163807
Do you know what oxymoron's are?

>>381162389
>You have a whole fucking team of people rebuilding assets, coding the ai, remaking the models, everything.
They're not touching the AI, it's just a remaster.

God, If SotC would get new content I would buy a PS4 only to play that game, it was fucking amazing.

>>381163459
And people threw a fit

What's the reason of this remaster (money, I know)? They released a hd remaster of this and ICO only a couple years ago. Why not just port that over. Seems like a waste in resources they could've used for something new and exciting.

>>381163876
The entire sentence contradicts itself, caring about consoles in the first place proves you probably are indeed 12

>>381161510
Fuck off. You know damn well that if they were to add the cut colossi back in, you'd be complaining that there messing with a classic and it's the blunder of the century.

>>381163876
Your fursona if it were an ox?

>>381164006
I don't see how that's logically coherent, they're totally different machines.

Children and teenagers are the primary consumers of consoles because they're considerably cheaper than PC's?

>>381161907
you do realize that they were cut because they were awful right? Take the spider one for example. It was near impossible to get on it and all you could do was shoot arrows at it.
Sure it looked cool, but the actual process of fighting it was not fun and a massive pain.

>>381163616
13 year old detected

>>381163459
>They altered that game in the remake
yeah, they fucked up the Zora transformation and add some quick save for casuals

Anyway what we are talking about is that it isn't a remake, just a modified N64 rom which is basically what SotC PS4 will be

https://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Majora%27s_Mask_3D#Unused_Scenes

>>381163405
yeah, why would they put an effort to improve the game when you can do a half assed remaster and get those nostalgia bucks?

>>381161510
>people unironically want more star wars special editions

>>381164091
My sides, bless you anon.

I really hope that if this sells well we get some kind of sequel or something with the multiplayer element that was shown off way back when.
It would be great to take down extremely difficult Colussi with a group.

>>381164237
That was the entire point of his post. There is no financial reason to.

>>381163405
>Do you think Sony is gonna pay a studio, whose pretty much only significant work has been the SotC/Ico ports, to do all that shit

God forbid they at least fucking try, right? You know, try and make something fans have been asking for for a decade real? Silly me to assume that a video game company would remake a game and try to put in content that didn't make it into the original because of time constraints and technical limitations!
>>381164117
What about devil? Hiding in the grass and sneaking up? Yeah, sure sounds shitty. Or monkey, shooting it down from the ceiling in a cavern. Doesn't sound like any fun at all, based Sony making sure this awful content doesn't ever see the light of day.
>>381164243
There's a difference between changing the fundamentals of the original game and adding in a secret colossi that is optional.
>>381164021
No, I wouldn't. I would be happy that they attempted to make a video game legend come true. It would show Sony is actually trying to keep its fans excited. >>381164497
There's no financial reason to, but it shouldn't be about that. That's Sony being Jews and just pumping this out even though it's a perfect opportunity to add something that would gain genuine interest.

>>381164375
That would require effort. You know just as well as I do that there's a 0% chance of them EVER coming out with a sequel/that multiplayer stuff.

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>>381163309
Not really, 4-5 of them were cut due to collision limitations of the engine & time constraints

Only Griffin was "cut" because the 9th Colossus remade him & the Monkey never even got an arena built for him, the others however were very much planned

Avus & Devil were 100% aimed for release & only cut at the last second

>>381164497
Well since sony's money doesn't appear in my bank account I don't care about their financial reasons. If they added something new I would get the game, but if it's the same as the ps2 version I'll keep my money. Shame it won't matter because people will buy it anyway.

>>381161510
You have to realize this is one of sonys most reliable cash cows as far as smaller titles go.

Its going to be $60 to get the game but don't worry. If you gut the season pass you can get 2 packs of addational content later!

The first pack will be the Challenge of the Ancients and feature 5 cut colossi and new items as rewards for defeating them. The colossi fights are in arenas separate from the main games map but themed after areas in it. You can get this for $25.
The second piece of content will be called Dormins Ruin and feature content focused around the mysterious entity featured in the main game. This will feature a new piece of map to explore and also cost $25.
The season pass will give you a deal at $40 so please be sure to pre-order the base game to generate interest in the title!

>>381164617
have you ever thought that maybe these bosses were unbeatable and completely unbalanced and just outright wouldn't work?
Lots of things sound good on paper, but don't work well in reality, like the Ouya or the GBA link cable.

>>381163405
>>381164237
But they DO add shit to remakes/remasters.
The new Metroid 2 remake for example is apparently adding new areas, probably new bosses, new powers and that whole new combat option in the melee counter.

Zelda remasters added/fixed a lot of shit too. Master Quests are fucking amazing and that's just using existing assets.

They totally could have done shit to rework the flaws with the cut collosi and implement them.

>>381164882
Although that's jew tactics, at least they would make it real.

I would prefer they charge extra like the kikes they are than have the colossi lost forever.

>>381165005
>unbeatable and completely unbalanced

If only game developers could some how change these things and make them more fair and balanced.

If only.

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>>381164117
Nah the Spider had 2 versions, first one was you had to lead him to water & the second one was you rode around on Agro & swiped at his legs

Spider got cut because time constraints, they had to add unique animations just for this one fight, swiping your sword while riding, but by that time the demo disc was being printed & it had to be cut

some rough animations exist for this in the first demo of the game but don't have any effect on anything

>>381165014
But we are talking about the SotC remake. Of course there are good remakes out there.

>>381164628
I don't know about that. After the so so reaction to The Last Guardian I would think they would try and work on something they know people want.
A sequel would be a great opportunity to implement the unused Colussi from the first game and actually make them functional and fun.

>>381165015
I unironically agree. Regardless of price, at least we'd finally be able to experience these fights. Besides, you could wait for a GOTY edition with all the DLC included later anyway.

>>381165139
I'd agree with you if the orgianl devs were involved with this. But since they are not I'd rather these guys not fuck the game up.

>>381165005
I has already been said that the bosses were removed because of technical difficulties.

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>>381164751
Oh & Sirius was cut because he was shit & they reused him for 2 more fights

>>381165303
>I'd rather these guys not fuck the game up
>building it from the ground up

If they can rebuild the entire fucking game and program the ai, models, everything, they can make a new colossus.

>They add in extra colossi
>"Fuck all they had to do was remake the game, why did they have to throw in this extra shit that was an afterthought?"

Admit it, you'd bitch no matter what they did.

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http://time.com/4804768/playstation-4-ps4-pro-psvr-sales/

>"When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much," says Ryan. "That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

>the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Yes, why let you play SOTC from your PS2 or even PS3 discs when we can remake it, change the controls, update the graphics, and not add any new content but still charge you at least 40 bucks?

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>yfw it still runs at 20 fps

>>381164114
That's funny cause most guys I worked with that were PC only were 18-19 and had their parents buy it for them. And they spew the whole "mustard race" reddit-tier humor all the time.

>>381165464
>All they had to do was remake the game
First, they already have.

Second, make it optional hidden boss, and it doesn't get in the way so bitching is full retard.

>>381161907
The vast majority of the cut colossi were ones they experimented with and were either not fun to fight or just did not work well. They didn't get cut because of storage space or time constraints they were cut because they just weren't good.

Praey of the Gods you fools

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>>381162389
>I'm ready to fucking learn how to make games so I can do this shit myself

Better idea would be to figure out how to access the debug menu on the demo disc

The Phoenix is on it, with it's AI & all, but no one has figured out how out to access the debug menu, so fucking frustrating

>>381165403
Rebuilding is one thing. There are essentially blueprints to go off of.

>>381165464
>afterthought
>a big part of the original game's development
There's nothing "after" about it.

>>381165625
>blue prints to go off of

You sneak in the grass and get behind the devil and jump on him

How fucking hard of a concept is that to make real?
>>381165618
If nomad colossus can't crack that shit no one can.

>>381161809
What do you mean? The devs even called it a remaster on twitter but then they deleted the tweet. The game doesn't even add anything new. Do we even know if it's being built from the ground up? It's a glorified remaster , really.

If this game needed anything, it was small fodder to fight off between colossi.

The world is empty as fuck otherwise.

>>381162585
Yes but with better graphics.

>>381163459
MM has no remake. the 3ds games are just remasters. Nintendo even says that much.

>>381165891
That's the point

>>381165891
>The world is empty as fuck otherwise.
That was literally the point

>>381165891
>The world is empty as fuck otherwise.
That'x the fucking point retard.

>>381165891
>i dont like increasing my stats while leisurely wandering

Then dont play it

>>381161510

But since Ueda isn't part of this how would Bluepoint know what to do with cut content ? It's just an easy cash grab for sony.
People will but this game again and again anyway.

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>>381161510
>remaster this game twice
>don't add anything whatsoever
>don't expand on that enormous dam that's way outside of bounds
>don't add cut Colossi
>don't add more little secrets in the world like the tree of knowledge

While Nintendo does fuck their N64 Zelda remakes in some ways but at least they also add things like the fishing holes in MM.

>>381166083
>more little secrets in the world
>zelda
>remakes
Taking the same game and making it look prettier is not a remake.

>>381165891
holy shit

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E3 2017? more like E3 2016 remastered

Remember when Nintendo didn't include the cut dungeons from in WW """""""HD""""""""""""

IT'S

>>381166345
That was a mistake

>>381161510
>E3
>sony niggers saying YES FINALLY CUT BOSSES REMADE GAME

>sony says it's just a remaster
>yeah well we didn't want them anyway they were buggy shit

>>381161510
>no friendly colossi in remake
>no secret Tower of Colossi Babel, kill the gods ending
>no hope
>

>>381166452
That was silly of some people. I know I didn't expect any of the cut bosses.

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I guarantee they will add more Colossi in DLC, but they won't be any of the cut ones

Bluepoint will want to do their own OC donut steal

Can't wait for Coldsteel the Colossi

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>>381166083
>don't release CD version of Secret Of Mana
>don't localise Secret Of Mana 2
>don't add Legend Of Mana
>don't add widescreen

Also Ultra Street Fighter II somehow looks worse than SSFIITHDR since it's missing things like moving boats and clouds

>>381166345
No one defends WW HD.

>>381165757
It really amazes me how Nomad has dedicated so much time to Shadow of the Colossus.

>>381166626

Exactly what was so overpowered about the worm that they had to cut it anyway?

>this game will sell reasonably well
>sonegros will love it
>they will then continue to defend no backwards compatibility
Admit it losers, Sony hates you

>>381166452
The minute "bluepoint games" showed up people should have known it was just going to be another fucking remaster. I even said that much but nobody believed me.

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>>381165957
>>381165963
>>381166007
>empty shit is fine if that's how you wanted to make it
hmmm... I wonder who could be behind these posts

>>381166235
Best comment in the entire thread.

>>381166708
Overpowered means they didn't have time to tweak it because time constraints. They said the same thing about Phoenix and losing too much health when you fell off. They could have lowered its height or found a work around if they didn't have deadlines.
>>381166684
Hes the hero we need, but not the hero we deserve.

>>381166708
PS2 limitations more likely, it required a massive arena & some top notch coding for the collision physics

>>381166750
That argument doesn't work with Shadow of the Colussus.

Only cucks buy remasters anyway

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>tfw no NG+ fighting all the colossi that were too hard using the items form the challenge runs

>tfw the alternative ending isn't real
The ending makes me feel sick to the stomach.

>>381166684
Yeah it's pretty cool & in general the cut content has created a life of it's own, 17th colossus rumours were maybe the last playground rumours before the internet ruined everything

It's pretty insulting to the fans if they ignore it & don't even put in at least one as a hidden bonus

>>381166946
Amen to that.

I just have to wonder, what kind of game can capture a man's imagination so much that he is willing to search every tiny crack of information. It's not even autism at this point.

Sadly, I never played SotC myself, but this may be my chance.

>>381167265
>insulting to the fans
>sony
>caring about fans

Nice meme.

>>381167036
oh I get it, shadow of the colossus gets a free pass thanks to nostalgia
if it came out today it would be literally no man's sky 2

>>381167331
>this may be my chance

Don't buy this shit unless it has a lost colossi. They don't deserve your shekels.

>>381167357
But it is coming out today.

Just wait for reviews, its gonne be divisive as fuck I bet

>>381167357
If it had claimed to have a world full of life sure. But since it was pitched to people with the empty world it gets a pass. It's empty for narrative reasons.

>>381167357
It honestly would get shit on if it came out today, especially if it was PC exclusive (hurr steam early access sandbox)

>>381167126
the alternate endings were worse, one were mono was blind & another were wander turns into a beast, wander dying to save mono was the nicest one honestly

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>>381161510

>universal lighting
>no cut colossi
>Ueda isn't involved

Why the actual fuck should I care?

>>381167898
>universal lighting
wuts dat and why am i upset about it

>>381168298
SOTC had really detailed filtering in each area. Now it's just the same all over and boring UE4 shit.

Not him but that's probably what he's talking about.

>>381161510
fuck off with your gamer entitlement

>Sotc gets its second fucking remake
>rereleased on the same console pretty much
>hasn't taken the time to add in cut content that was planned to be added but cut for time / budget purposes

>.hack//gu gets a remaster out of fucking now where
>game was rare enough but was also split into 3 different games, putting them all into one
>console and pc release
>adds in various improvements
>adds in more content, expand on the ending and hints that it's taking this time to add in cut content and tell even more stories in the game they've been wanting to tell

>>381168727
This.
Consumers have NO RIGHT to wish for a better product than what developers and publishers have to offer. If you don't like it, it's your fault and definitely, definitely not theirs. So just please please buy our game.

>>381169189
>So just please please buy our game.
STFU shill. People like you are the reason why gaming is dead.

>>381168980
>>hasn't taken the time to add in cut content that was planned to be added but cut for time / budget purposes
Team ICO is dead and the game is being done by Bluepoint. I have no fucking idea why everybody thought it would add anything.

>>381169361
Boy nothing gets past you, Sherlock.

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You what would be nice?
>Fight any colossi in any order you want

>>381163405
I don't know why you even bother. /v/ is fucking retarded.

>>381169539
Except for 1 & 16, this is a good idea

>>381163405
>It's the same reason why we never got cut temples in any Zelda remasters. They were cut because they were either not fun, adapted into a different colossi, didn't fit into the game world, any number of things.

Or you know, TIME and technical restraints. Wind waker is plauged heavily by this.

Don't remake something if you don't have a reason too.

Fire red got the severii islands that were planned for the original. Devs now are just lazy. Remakes are not to improve the product but just to sell the same shit to casual babies who don't bother to play games they missed from past generations.

I look forward to when they remake demon's souls without the 5th archstone because gamers are such faggots they don't care.

DLC opened the floodgates for zero standards. Then ship it first patch it later happened Then paid online happened and then low effort shit games became top sellers.

>>381170794
>sell the same shit to casual babies who don't bother to play games they missed from past generations.

This sums up so much wrong with the current consumer mindset. If its old it cant be good.

Meanwhile people who actually enjoy their preferred medium go out of their way to foind communities and classics they may have missed no matter the age. Movies, books, games, or art. Yet modern fags from all over will hate shit thats old only to re-watch the office twelve dozen times.

Its a shame so many people wont enjoy stuff beyond their own generations timeframe.

>>381162389
>Sony once again ruins any possibility of something fun
If they were fun, they wouldn't have been cut.

>>381171853
Come back when that IQ hits three digits.

>>381161809
>>381165825
A complete remake makes sense actually if you look closely at the trailer. There was something off about the way Wander and Agro animated, almost like there was a different physics engine at play generating the way they moved.

If this is truly the case, I'm going to be very curious how this turns out and if they manage to clean up some of the wonky aspects of the original or add anything new.

will it be 30fps?

>>381172460
It's not really "off" they just changed the running animation. They already said they aren't adding anything new either. It really is a glorified reamaster. They even called it a remaster on twitter.

>>381172205
No one with a three digit IQ would bother to talk to you.

>>381172574
PC fags are such cancer. Don't care about the quality of any game just the framerate and resolution.

>>381166345
daily reminder that those dungeons were later used for TP

>>381172709
but it's the same video game... sorry

>>381172615
I meant "off" not as a negative, just more that it didn't quite match up with the original and seemed to give it away that this could be a new engine.

>>381172709
>technical quality isn't quality
If Uncharted 4 ran at 20 FPS you know you would bitch. You would also bitch if it wasn't 1080p either. Making fun of sony games for all being 30 FPS isn't even cancer tier since even the switch ran have games run at 60FPS. Even xbox has more 60FPS first party games than Sony.

>>381172653
You're in the double digits by giving me a (you) then. Why should I listen to anything you have to say retard?

>>381172851
Or they could have just changed it because the running animation int he base game looks stupid.

There is literally nothing wrong with NOT ruining a classic game by shoving in garbage content

Fuck off drones, and considering it's Sony it won't be full price either
So I'm hype

>>381172709
Framerate "is a part" of quality, you dingus.

There is literally no reason games nowadays shouldn't be able to run at 60 fps.

>>381172880
Uncharted 4 is a bad game. Frame rate doesn't matter because it isn't worth playing regardless. PC fags don't understand this, if a game meets that 60fps 1080P/4k benchmark it's automatically better than any game that doesn't because they are incapable of telling the difference between a good game and a bad game. (something Nintendo fanboys are also guilty of)

>>381173076
By your logic what's the point in even releasing this "remake"? they should just port it again, right? I mean, it is a classic.

>>381172709

we get 60FPS and you don't LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1GlCs4d9zM

>>381163405
Ueda specifically said that he'd like to see the cut colossi added in a potential remake

>>381173207
Uncharted would have been far better to play and less nauseating to look at if it was at 60 FPS and didn't have cancer motion blur. You cannot deny the importance of frame rate and resolution in regards to games. If you do you're fucking retarded. Ratchet and Clank not being 60 FPS was actually a common complain even among sony fanboys because not only did the 30 FPS look like shit, ALL the other games int he series were 60 FPS.

>>381173370
Was that before or after Team Ico got wiped off the face of the earth?

>>381173076
Wait, since when is Sony and not full price a thing? Just curious where this particular kool aid drinking/console senpai spouting is coming from.

>>381173389
>less nauseating

Not everyone has ass cancer and actually gets sick when they play games because they are so unhealthy.

>>381163405
I agree with you on how much of a pain in the ass it would be, except they didn't even need to put them in the actual game.

I would be just as happy if the cut Colossi were included in the special features of the game as bonus fights. This would allow the game to be played normally, and still give people something cool.

>>381173253
Why not? Something wrong with giving justice to one of the best games out there?
It came out ages ago on shit hardware, SOTC deserves better

>>381173489
The fuck? The crash remake for example isn't full price

>>381173370
He would like to but he's not involved with the project so that's not his call to make.

Isn't this a remake of a remake of the original? How many are needed exactly?

>>381173207
>they are incapable of telling the difference between a good game and a bad game
It's THE SAME VIDEO GAME. You think FPS discussion is irrelevant here? ahahaha

>>381165494
This, I don't know how sonybros justify their supposed when even the dudebox one at least supports backwards compatibility.
Really that's a major indicator of the management in general
>Microsoft
Okay so I don't have any exclusives for you per say, but how about I make the Xbone the best Xbox emulator on the planet for free?
>Sony
U rike SotC? Buy it again gaijin, trust me it rook even BETTAH ;D

>>381173681
There was never a remake but a port to PS3

>>381173681
The point being that the cut colossi are 100% viable. They weren't cut for being unfun or someshit.

Also another good point: if Ueda isn't involved then why should I give a single fuck about the remake?

>>381173650
Because by your logic changing a classic is bad so they should remake it and just re release it every gen. If people want to play the original they can just play the original, don't half ass a "remake".

>>381173650
SotC deserves Udea. Without him the remake is worthless

>>381173737
until they have the best version. >>381173263 beats their PS3 remake at the very least.

sony afraid of being #2

>>381174068
How is remaking the game from zero half assed?
And how is not messing with the original gameplay and design a bad thing?

>>381174163
>remaking it from zero
Not even the devs said they're doing that. They even called it a fucking remaster on twitter.

>>381174274
We can call it whatever you like, they're remaking it from scratch

>>381174000
>They weren't cut for being unfun or someshit.
If I recall correctly, yes, some of them WERE cut for that very reason. Like, seriously, just coming up with an idea and taking the time to model it doesn't automatically mean you've got the mechanics in place to make it enjoyable.

That's just how game development works. Not every idea you come up with is a good one and sometimes you have no way of finding that out until you start trying to put it into practice. Not every idea is viable.

>>381174163
Why bother when the original exists? They're changing absolutely nothing outside of graphics, they may as well just re-release the ps2 version again. The end result would be the exact same thing.

>>381174376
>we
Did you not read my post? The devs are the ones called it a remaster. You don't even know if it's being built from scratch either so I don't know why you're saying it is. Are you one of the same people who were 100% convinced it was going to add stuff but then got BTFO?

>>381173918
Not sure what that has to do with what I had to say. The PS4 version IS a remake and Ueda has no involvement with it so what he wanted to see in a remake is a moot point. He's in no position to get them to add the cut colossi.

>>381174393
They were only cut for needing a too large arena, Wander not having the means to kill it (spider being cut because Wander had no way of attacking it's fast legs), or for being too difficult. Never because they weren't fun.

>>381174398
What's wrong with better graphics?
SOTC is fucking ancient and it's a great game, there's nothing wrong with a remake of it

What sort of an argument is this anyways?
>Why bother?
Because many didn't play it and now they can on the PS4
Because many fans will love it with modern graphics
Because it's a great game even today

Again, nothing wrong with any of this
If you don't like it, it's not for you and you're just shitting up the thread by asking stupid questions
And finally, it's not like you can't play the original, just because a remake exists

>>381174586
So then why should we give a fuck about this turd remake?

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>Absolutely hate the reliance on remaking games to turn profits, especially with Sony refusing to allow BC
>Never played SotC and the will probably be the definitive edition
Fuck

>>381174650
>too difficult
>impossible to kill because your character isn't capable of attacking its weak points
Yep, that sort of thing sounds REALLY fun. Christ, you're an idiot.

>>381174507
Okay baby, I'll fix it for you

>They can call it whatever they like, they're still remaking it from scratch

>>381174724
>SOTC is fucking ancient

Underage.

>>381174773
Emulate the original. Ico games are fickle as FUCK with their atmosphere and the fact that the OG creator isn't involved means that this remake will suck ass

>>381174823
>bawww games r too hard for meee

Get a new hobby

>>381174864
These sort of replies should get people insta banned

>>381174823
You can't call others idiots while being this dumb.

SotC had cut Colossi that were just harder than average to where they could fit them. Only two fell into the speed/hit issue. Go research before you walk into a discussion.

>>381174882
>not even out
>looks great from the trailer
>they said they won't mess with the gameplay
>"it's gonna suck"

>>381175080
>universal lighting
>looks great

Retard

>>381162389
16 is enough.

They cut the others because if they were included, the game would be too damn long for what it is.

>>381174724
So now you're making no sense. First you said they shouldn't change anything and now you're saying they should change things?

>>381175135
SoTC was intended to have 24. Hell the original draft had over 40 colossi

>>381174748
If that's your reasoning for not caring about it, then fine but whether or not you should care has nothing to do with the argument. Somebody said cut colossi should be in the game because Ueda wanted to do that in a possible remake but he's not involved. That's it. That's the end of that particular argument. I wasn't trying to tell you that you should care. I was simply addressing an unrelated argument with my own counterargument. If you want to argue why you should care, then I'm the wrong person to be quoting because I could not give less of a fuck.

>>381174854
You still haven't proved how they're remaking it from scratch despite the devs calling it a remaster. You sound just like those guys who were hell bent on the game having new content.

>>381175227
Yeah that's way too goddamn many

>>381175135
No. SOTC has big areas with no colossi. It's surreal. At least 20 would feel better.

>>381175269
The cut colossi should be added because it's a fucking remake. They have the chance to finally give us the true vision of the game and they threw it away. We're never going to EVER get this chance again.

I'm not paying full fucking price for an uglier version of a game I played 10 years ago

>>381175135
>16 core colossi
>not adding 8+ optional bosses because it would make the game "too long"

Are you retarded? Honest question.

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>>381162221
>tfw no dark cave battle with monkey

>>381175528
>colossi
>optional
The entire point of the game is killing all of the colossi.

What sense does it make for there to suddenly be 8 fragments of Dormin that can just be left alone?

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>>381163405
>let's say these colossi were anything more than models with basic animations, which they weren't

A lot of smugness for someone who has no fucking idea what he's talking about

>>381175293
>You sound just like those guys who were hell bent on the game having new content.
What the fuck does that even mean? What "new" content?

>>381161510
No. They will ruin the game by adding new content to it.

>>381174724
The remaster doesn't even keep the same style as the original you fucking nigger. Better graphics is arguable.

>>381174393
Stop defending a cheap cash grab.

>>381175965
So you're a fucking retard who doesn't know anything about SotC despite trying to argue in this thread? Now it all makes sense.

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>>381161510
>No cut colossi in remake
why would they literally change the stories colossi number/order
LOL

>>381163876
I know you're a moron that's obviously lacking oxygen.

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Okay. I'm upset that the cut colossi couldnt be worked back into the game. I understand why they weren't added back in, mainly seeing how a team set on creating remakes/remasters probably don't quite have the skill time/resources to make something off of their own but I think a lot of the reasonings in this thread are bad.
>They were cut because they were bad
But now is their chance to possibly rework them to be good. This again falls under their probable lack of time/resources/knowledge. The fact that they were bad to start with isn't why they're cut. Is the time/resource/knowledge thing.

I still think it's quite odd that, since they're rebuilding this entire game from scratch, that they don't also rebuild some cut or some new colossi from scratch since they're not 'entirely' working off any pre-existing asserts but I'm sure there's a valid reason as to why they're not added that's not 'they're bad to begin with'.
On top of not having the resources and any real base/reference to create new colossi, they'd also have to allocate an area for it (which I don't think would be too much since they're still rebuilding the game from scratch, but what do I know? I don't know a lot about how the game is created.)

Another thing I was wondering is, would you purchase the cut colossi if they were added later as DLC? What would be a reasonable price for them?
What other than cut colossi could the team add to make you personally feel like the remake is worth a purchase?

>>381164617
You are too good for a shithole like /v/

>>381175001
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>381165360
Sirius was cut because they couldn't make his mechanic work properly

>>381176321
I'd fucking destroy my PS4 and never look back if they added motherfucking DLC to one of the best games ever created

Really? Then what's the fucking point?

>>381166750
Best bait I've seen in a while, good job anon

>>381175431
>true vision
Oh fuck off with this kind of nonsense. Limitations and boundaries are what help shape the quality of a product. Unhindered "visions" go wild and quality control goes out the fucking window. Not having the ability to do everything you want forces you to take a step back and put everything into perspective. It's only with that perspective that you can look once more at everything piece by piece and focus on improving what you actually CAN do. You can take a second look and see that some other aspect is much more important than you originally thought and put that effort into refining that. Just fucking look at what George Lucas did with the original trilogy. Want a game example? Look at Yooka Laylee. It's the same damn thing. Playtonic called that their "dream game" and because nobody was ever there to tell them "no, this isn't going to work" we got a game packed full of what felt like half finished or otherwise unrefined ideas that still felt like a glorified alpha build.

>uglier
And this is just you refusing to remove your rose tinted glasses or you just want to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. Maybe both. Then again, coming from an average /v/ user, I'm not at all surprised.

>I'm not paying full fucking price for an uglier version of a game I played 10 years ago
Here's the best part though. NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY IT. Isn't that amazing? You have a choice. You don't have to! You don't even need to make up reasons to convince us because you have no obligation to purchase it. Seems more like you're trying to convince yourself because you are secretly, deep down, strongly considering it.

>>381176723
maybe they're just shitting us

>>381161510
what is it with you autismos thinking every piece of concept art or idea mentioned in an early interview that doesn't make it into the final game is 'cut content' that you were robbed of?

>>381175431
It's not a remake, it's a remaster. Sony cucks getting cucked again.

>>381167357
Holy shit man just kys you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

>>381169539
No

>>381176881
Not him but it looks like shit, like some fanboy remade the game in Unreal Engine.

>>381176881
Ueda had a vision that remains incomplete because they didn't have the time and resources to add all 24 colossi. That's why he flat out said he'd be open to adding them in a remake if he ever got the chance.
So instead of that glorious piece of magic remake we're stuck with a mediocre rehash that has fucking universal lighting. It's literally a downgrade.

>b-b-but you don't need to buy it

And I won't. I'm mad because this fucking turd is literally replacing something I would've LOVED to buy

>Comparing Ueda to fucking kikestarter trash and Hack Lucas

Shove a cactus down your fat fucking gullet

>>381174393
>some
And some of the others were cut because of time/budget/tech dipshit

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>>381177170
No, this is a remaster

>>381174773
>will probably be the definitive version
I guarantee they won't- SOTCs appeal is heavily reliant on its atmosphere, they'll find someway to fuck it up

>>381176994
Most of them were cut last second. The preview version literally has the Pheonix's battle arena ready

>>381165618
>with it's AI & all
its, not it's

>>381174823
they we're going to have wanderer kill spider by having him slash his legs while riding Afro. They never added the mechanic.

Quit posting when you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

>>381177626
That's a port.

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>mfw I'm gonna go back and rewatch all the videos talking about the cut content in this game

It's pretty amazing how much dedication there was to speculating every inch of this game

>>381177626
Guess what? They are both remasters.

>>381174773
>will probably be the definitive edition
Highly doubt this, the animations are so fucking bad so you know it won't play the same.

>>381161510
They were cut for a reason.

>>381174773
The PS3 HD version is the definitive version.

>>381162001
I have my ps2, ps3, and both shadows for those systems. I also have a ps4. Yes I am excite.

>>381177594
>some
Yes, exactly. SOME. Did I say "all"? Please show me where I said "all". His point was that NONE of them were cut for the reason of not being fun. My counterpoint was that SOME were.

>>381177453
If you enjoyed Banjo Kazooie or the original Star Wars, you can't completely discount Playtonic or Lucas as creators. It's true that they clearly have some really bad ideas and when left unchecked, their projects spiral into garbage. It's only that they had other people and constraints to reign them in that their original works turned out as good as they did. It forced them to put focus and refinement into other more important aspects.

>>381177970
>literally says remaster on the box

>>381178345
And? This new game says "remake" and it isn't one either.

>>381178306
Yooka Laylee sucked ass because Playtonic doesn't actually have any of the game designers of Banjo. They have banjo composer, a banjo character designer, and a banjo supervisor.

Lucas is also just a retard

>>381178306
Ueda's entire game design mantra is that less is more. He knows how to not go overboard like a retard.

Your comparison is dumb and so are you

>>381178557
>Anonymous knows more about video games than the people making them

>>381178785
>sony cuck is ignorant
news at 11

>>381177925
yeah, and if the legs are too thin and move too quickly, then it makes such a mechanic impossible. Holy fuck, think for two seconds before you let your fingers touch the keyboard. "Oh, but they could have slowed the legs down!" you say. Well, that very likely changed another aspect of the fight in a way that wasn't fun or didn't fit. I don't know about you but a big spider boss that lacks one of the most iconic traits of a spider, that being its speed and agility, seems pretty unfitting to me.

Also, not gonna lie, no matter what, nothing about the original plan sounds fun. Melee combat on horseback in games has pretty much always controlled like shit and SotC is no exception. I'm glad the idea was scrapped because it would have been pretty not fun.

>>381178678
>He knows how to not go overboard like a retard.
Then it sounds like he understands and agrees with my point entirely. He knew better than to stubbornly push to include all of the colossi with the resources he had to work with and what we got was a much better experience for it. Thank you for proving my point.

>>381178561
Clearly the supervisor wasn't doing his job then. If he was, he'd have told them that just having all of these things and more thrown in there doesn't automatically make it a good game and something better than the original BK games. Seems he didn't do any supervision at all.

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>>381179224
Is that supposed to somehow legitimize your insistence that the people making remasters and remakes know less about the terminology than you do?

>>381179251
>He knew better than to stubbornly push to include all of the colossi with the resources he had to work with and what we got was a much better experience for it

Ah. It was just bait then.

>>381179549
>the technology
oh god tell me more

>>381179787
Who said anything about technology? Can you read?

>>381179251
>fuckface that doesn't know shit about Ueda trying to talk like he knows how Ico games should be made

PS4 owner here. So.nyggers are fucking cancer

Reading about the cut content for this game always gives me an eerie feeling. The colossi that made it in were so fucking intimidating that it's super fun to speculate what they might have been like. Adding just one would have made this an insta-buy for me; but at the same time adding a new one would possibly kill some of that mystique.

>>381165594
Yaaass