>game starts >pick Adam for easy Jason escapes (Composure

>Game starts
>pick Adam for easy repair
>Jason doesn't immediately teleport right on me
>Spend the entire game finding parts for the 4 door car and repair it all by myself without anyone's help
>Start making my great escape
>On my way to pick up another counselor until Jason smashes my car
>Distract him while the other counselor gets the car started again
>Escape Jason's deadly grasp, the worse is over
>Or so I thought

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>>381052219

>>381051663
>game starts
>realize I got memed and get a refund

Isn't this game already dead?

>>381052602
Its very alive on ps4

I'm gonna buy this. Games don't really die these days, unless they're Battleborn. Small communities are not the dead of decades-ago "dead games".

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>>381052602

Playerbase fell off fast

Probably because most people can't play the game as the spawns are bullshit and you have a high chance of spawning in a hot zone that Jason will warp too and kill you instantly just for moving.

It doesn't help that he gets the wall hack ability 20 seconds into the game so you can't even stealth around him

>>381053123
Maybe this is the soft-launch, and October will be big for them with patches and maybe new content. People will go "Huh? That's out/There's a F13 game??" and it will be revitalized.

This will happen if they are smart.

>>381051663
>pre-release: this game isn't going to be like dead by daylight. you'll be able to make intense escapes against a powerful foe, but you can work together and overcome him, even fight back and kill jason if you're good enough, and jason will have a variety of deadly and devastating abilities grounded in realism to stop you. it's going to be a completely different experience.

>post-release: the only way to fight jason is triggering an event impossible to get more often than not and he can teleport behind you and kill you instantly

$39.99

>>381051663
I wouldn't buy this game but watching someone play it is surprisingly comfy.

>>381053551
but that's not the only way to fight Jason, that's just the only way to kill him.

>>381053551
How do you kill Jason? Go to his cabin and mess up his mom?

>>381053784
Prior to release a big selling point was the regular councillors could fight and kill Jason. They said they were making an asymmetrical survival game that wasn't like DbD where the killer is eternally unstoppable since a lot of players hated that aspect.

They lied through their teeth though and unless the planets and stars of fifteen galaxies align you will never even be able to fight Jason, let alone spawn Tommy.

If they'd kept Jason's supposedly realistic abilities in comparison to DbD's hypersupernatural shit it'd be tolerable, but nope, they also gave Jason hypersupernatural shit that makes hm more powerful in the game than any movie Jason, except maybe X.

Both were major selling points and both were complete bullshit.

>>381054050
>being able to kill Jason
>major selling point
you are mistaken

>>381052718
Got cucked with the PC version. Fuck Kikestarter trash.

>>381053918
Basically. You have to go to his cabin and do some convoluted actions which then might possibly let someone spawn in as Tommy Jarvis. Only Tommy's able to kill Jason but even then it isn't easy, since Tommy is tough but Jason still gets all his nonsense teleporting abilities with 2 second cooldowns and you don't even do anything special to kill him.

Like fuck, I get that Tommy is Jason's nemesis and shit but if Tommy can kill him with a facial shotgun blast why can't a normal councilor? Does Tommy have special anti-Jason shells?

>people play twitch-bait
>complain about quality
Sup reddit.

>>381053123
It's flawed by design. I hope people really appreciate how good DBD is now.

>>381053918
You need to get his mask off
Have a female character grab Jason mother's sweater
A Tommy Jarvis with a machete /axe

Damage him until his mask is off, then stun him again and have the sweater character use it's ability. Then you need Jarvis to decapitate him with the machete / axe

>>381054214
It's because Tommy killed Jason in Part IV

>>381054237

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>>381051663
>>381052219
Good to see my fellow Adambros. Best counselor.

>>381054401
Like I said I get that he's the nemesis of Jason but there's no reason why only Tommy should be physically capable of killing him.

It doesn't even have a precedent in the super-deep lOrE of the franchise. Jason's been killed and actually dead not just stunned killed by many people, including total norms.

>>381054214
Tommy actually has to use a machete while Jason is being stunned by a female counselor wearing his moms sweater after his mask has been knocked off from taking too much damage.

100+ games and I've seen it like twice

>>381054337
>DBD
Such a shit game, all I ever saw was the killers getting nerfed out the ass or being cheesed. I dropped that game fast.

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There's no point in fighting Jason. His grab has invincibility frames, he has a combat stance that makes him invincible to a majority attacks, and if he's on to you, he'll just spin in circles to make you whiff your attack and then follow it with a grab to an instant kill.

An attack is only a last ditch effort to buy you maybe 5 seconds tops before he goes into shift, teleport to your exact location and grab you for an instant kill.

Games are built off risk/reward. You do a risky move, you get rewarded with something if it pays off. There is no reward in F13 in the game mode you'll play 99% of the time. You go for a daring 2nd story jump? You commit to your plan to attack him as he goes through the door? You dive out the window at the last possible second?

A bold move. Too bad it's all negated because Jason will just teleport to your location making everything you've done pointless. This isn't even about over powering Jason or having the ability to kill him with every swing like most of defense force like to claim. This is just a complaint about a basic fucking function that a majority of games have in their design.

Jason Voorhees is basically King Crimson.

>>381054214
>>381054050
These two have never played the game. Spawning Tommy is incredibly easy as long as you find a CB radio which chances are, someone will before 5 minutes.Getting Jason's mask off is random, but it's the only random part of the entire equation. That said killing him is still rare thanks to it, but it's not literally never.

>>381054214
How much of this does the game tell you?

>>381054720
And yet, it's still better than F13.

>>381054790

Getting all the parts necessary isn't even that difficult.

Triggering the kill it's what's fucking difficult. Following all the steps doesn't guarantee a kill because sometimes the hit required to get Jason into a knee stun just won't trigger.

>>381054907
DBD plays more like a asymmetrical competitive game like Evolve than a horror/slasher game

>>381054720

Killers have been getting buffed. I swear, none of you fuckers who make this claim know what it was like back when that shit launched.

Survivors still have some scummy tactics, but a good chunk of them have been removed. The only 100% bullshit left is palette looping, Decisive Strike and Borrowed Time

>you can't become freddy

>it doesn't turn into a fighting game

BULLSHIT

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>>381054214

He's got psycho power.

>>381054754
What part of this webm says more about the game than about the shitty player? he let his fear build up to the maximum level, sitting alone holed up with his back to the wall with his only exit directly blocked via the angle he intends to ambush Jason from. For those unaware, the screen blackening is your fear level rising, which makes you worse at everything including running and fighting back, so chances are he would've tripped like a dumbass anyways.

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>>381055073
Maybe that's because that being competitive is more fun than a half-ass attempt at being a horror/slasher game. You get rewarded for playing DBD, you get shat on for playing F13.

>>381052858
There's over 4k people online at the moment, so that's pretty good. I think the game's biggest problem right now is the price tag

>>381054953
Now that's a valid criticism of it yeah. You only get one chance to do it too, since the sweater only has one use.

>>381054050
Tommy has been in almost all my games though

>>381055224
pretty crazy how many people still play l4d2

>>381054665
I could've sworn I saw Tommy kill Jason, like kill kill, with a shotgun pickup.

>>381054790
>>381054803
It may be different now but it's not easy and the game tells you literally none of it.

I love secrets and puzzles in singleplayer games but in a survival multiplayer game locking the only method of beating the killer behind a completely unmentioned and unexplained sequence of events is ridiculously cheap.

>>381055186
I forgot how much I love Tommy. The comic where he and Ash Williams team up and BTFO Freddy and Jason is amazing.

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Game needs singleplayer very badly. As it stands there's no way it can survive with this very limited multiplayer.

>>381054754
>fighting as Buggzo the clown with anything but a bat
rookie mistake desu familia.

>>381055512
It doesn't tell you, it relies on references to several F13th movie endings. Admittedly stringing them all together is pretty hard without knowing exactly, so that's a bit more sensible yeah.

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>>381055201

>his only exit directly blocked via the angle he intends to ambush Jason from

9 seconds shows you it's a table with two ways out. Are you fucking blind? Once you get caught as a counselor with shit composure, there's not much you can do to lower that composure down, mid chase, with Jason on your tail.

I'm not even sure what you're even trying to babble about here when I'm trying to demonstrate Jason's grab animation having invincibility frames. He ignores all damage during that animation. He can walk past bear traps and completely negate them even being there just by holding W and pressing M2.

>>381052321
The true murderer is no monster, but MAN

>>381052321
hahahahahaha

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>>381055743

I broke it previously in that round.

I always make sure to have a bat on hand.

>>381055086
>palette looping
that shit is annoying as all hell, I'm not going to chase them for five fucking minutes, it's bullshit, the killer should be allowed to destroy that shit

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>>381055512

>>381055792
I won't front and say that the grab isn't busted, cuz it is and I've seen him extendo-arm people from 2 feet away. I was just criticizing your shit play.

Tiffany's butt.

>>381055224
Why the fuck did I get this on PC? I knew it was going to die and the console versions would thrive.

>>381056226
>tommy just disappeared and never came back until an evil dead crossover comic
>had to put in incompetent protags so jason wouldn't just get murdered every subsequent sequel

T-thanks slasher film economics.

>>381056305

>Shit play

I'm completely out of fucking options at that point. The cabin to the west had its door busted from a previous encounter and the north cabins are not only too far, but in his way. If I'm going to die, I'm going to at least get 100 points fighting. I had multiple escape routes you can clearly see in the webm if the stun actually registered so I have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about if Jason blocking my path.

>>381056539
Tina in Part 7 kicked Jason's ass harder than Tommy did. They really fucked Tommy up in Part VI, instead of keeping him on the edge he just became some random fuckoff guy.

>>381056539

7 did have the telekinetic who fucked his shit up but good.

I want to say that was stretching things, but since they were already using a reanimated corpse to kill people, I dunno.

At least it wasn't as retarded as the idea that new york city flushes millions of gallons of literal toxic waste through its storm sewers at night.

>>381056405
I wish you could switch around clothes
I want to see AJ's butt hanging out of those shorts

>>381056705
>>381056891
Part 7 kicked the quality of the franchise's ass harder than the other sequels ever did

>>381057068
You're gonna say Part 5 8 or 9 were somehow superior?

Part 2 is best Jason

>>381057148
No, but I'd say they're less inferior.

Like they're all shits but 7 was an uncomfortable shit.

>>381051663
>Jason shifts in front of car and completely immobilizes it with little to no effort
>Jason teleports directly on you at the start of the match
>Jason breaks an already open window and it still does damage to me if I jump out
>Teammate runs like a retard and brings Jason to the building I'm at.

Some of the things that happen in this game are retarded.

>>381057148

9 had Mr. Chunky Beefheart in the morgue. That's all it needed really.

That guy missed a quality meme after that too. He should've been running that scene into the ground, doing commercials for Hardees or something, making himself some money and laughs.

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Who is best girl and why is it Deborah?

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Dokken's Dream Warriors vs Alice Cooper's Man Behind the Mask

>>381057610
Because she has the thickest bush.

Playable Freddy and Myers characters when?

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She's supposed to be the designated final girl right?

>>381057889
Yeah, but she's possibly the worst character in the game.

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>>381057635
How is that even a question? Dokken wins by miles. Alice kind of phoned in Man Behind the Mask.

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>>381057889
she's Chris

>>381057990
She has the highest composure and decent stamina/luck, she's definitely not the worst. The worst is probably JR or the guy with all 5s.

>>381057746
Myers never. He is in Dead By Daylight already and isn't owned by the same people anyway.

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I played for a good 40 hours, then stopped playing after the first week. Anyone else in the same boat?

>>381057746
Jason is owned by Viacom, Freddy is owned by Time Warner and Michael Myers is owned by Universal. The fact that a Freddy vs Jason movie ever got made is astounding (and took years and hundreds of setbacks), but the chances of all three IPs coming together for a video game is nil.

>>381058138
>Myers never
I wouldn't say that. It seems whoever owns Myers is always anxious to have him appear in videogames. He's in Call of Duty too for Christs' sake. Just seems like this would be a great game for him to be in, plus having a suburbia map would be refreshing after having only 3 fucking forest maps

>>381058295
The same company now owns both Freddy and Jason, and I think Ash too

>>381058267
I have 99 hours. I'm just waiting for the game to get actual fixes and changes now.

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>>381057635
>Dream Warriors
>Not Are You Ready For Freddy by the Fat Boys

>>381058295
I understand, yet at the same time these big companies don't seem too protective of these particular assets. Freddy, Jason, and Myers have appeared in dozens of unrelated vidya in the past few years, even the same series (Mortal Kombat).

I wouldn't say it's impossible for them all to be in the same game, but I highly doubt this would be the game to do that.

Ed Boon talked about wanting to do a fighting game with just horror movie characters, and while I'd rather a game like F13 I'd gladly take a fighting game too.

>>381058573
Not the same genre or feel, that gets its own spot.

>>381058402
I do love the DbD Myers maps. It would be nice to see what they would do in F13.

>>381058402
Not in a game literally called "Friday the 13th: THE GAME"

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>>381057635
>>381058045
>>381058573
Can I play too?
https://youtu.be/IxCaIomwBsU

>>381058928
>implying that matters
A big Halloween dlc would generate plenty of buzz and revenue for whoever owns Myers

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>Chink player in the lobby
>He has the shotgun
>He's by the exit gate

I'm more afraid of other counselors than fucking Jason

>>381059313
Sorry, but not even a franchise crossover can save you dead game, backercuck.

>>381058054
Someone should make a chart of all the game counselors with their movie counterpart. Some are harder to pinpoint but I think AJ is Violet from part 5 and Buggsy is Julias from part 8

>>381059484
>dead
Lol, you never played it have you? The only thing that's dead is the Halloween franchise.

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>>381059727
C'mon, don't rub it in.

>>381059727
>The only thing that's dead is the Halloween franchise.

Halloween new movie didn't get cancelled

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>>381059495
some are pretty obvious like Deborah being that Irma-looking bitch from part 7 and Tiffany being those fuckin fine twins from Part IV the rest I can't place so easily, Adam actually reminds me more of the dude from the Blob remake than anyone I can recall from Friday

>>381059890
>Danny McBride and the guy who directed pineapple express cowriting a Halloween movie
DOA anon.

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I like the game because I don't feel like a weak piece of shit. I hated DBD because I was just a fucking wuss until I found a palet, and with zero juke potential since they can hit you after you vault, and they can hit you after missing a swing. It just became dumb and not fun.

>LaChappa
Jesus he's a fun dude.

https://youtu.be/oJ5T8kWpFd0

>>381060362

Comedians make the best horror films

>>381060438
How do you figure?

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>>381060370

>Common complaint about DBD is that the survivors were overpowered and bullied the killer
>Common complaint about F13 is that the counselors are underpowered and killed instantly

>>381060438
>Danny McBride
>David Green
>Comedians
Kek

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>>381060370

>That video

>>381055240
And the people in chats that tell jason where someone is or the glitching out the map faggots.

>>381060968
If someone is trying to just camp for the entire match in a hiding spot, I'm fucking tipping Jason off.

>>381060968
I had a match earlier today where I was rooting for the glitcher.

>player is following Jason around and telling him where everyone is
>systematically wipes out the entire game in the first handful of minutes
>sole remaining player does the rafters glitch in the mansion
>Jason and his cheating friend try and dislodge him but can't get him down
>they spend the last 15 minutes hurling insults at the guy at maximum RAGE
>rest of us laughing it up in the lobby and taunt them after the match saying they deserved it, the cheating fucks

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I'm going to need the defense force to explain this bullshit to me.

>>381061929
What don't you get? Jason breaks the door down and sees a guy with a gun. He tries to bait a shot out while bouncing back and forth in front of the door, gives up, and shifts past the trap on the floor. The retard with the gun then shoots randomly in the air, hitting nothing.

>>381061929
Jason shifting behind the player or dropping the guy after being hit?

>>381061614
I mean the people who come back as Tommy or spec and just tell Jason where everyone is at regardless of if they're repairing vehicles or running for the cops. I've had Jason morph right on top of me while i was on the other side of the map looking for shit.

>>381061890
You can kill rafterfags just by overhead swinging on the stairs or throwing knives on them though..

>>381062170
>rafterfags
Savini pitchfork works, as well. But it's very situational.

>>381060370
>JFJ video
GOD LIKE TASTE

>games starts
>pick Chad because his dad owns a dealership
>the 5 minutes later has not even faded off the screen yet when Jason teleports in just a mere 8 feet away and grabs Adam by the throat before bashing his head in with a door.
>Book it across the map at the speed of Chad and repair the phonebox and call the cops.
>sneak off the map 5 minutes later.

CHAD LIVES!

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>tfw sonygros got the Savini skin for five bucks while xbots missed out on the unintentional opportunity
Feelsbadman

>>381057746
But Myers is in the game.
>>381057889

>>381062770
I'm not amused

>tfw like the game but cant survive without working with others
>Majority of the people dont talk or die out in the fucking woods with some crucial piece like the fuse or keys

I know you can just wait it the fuck out but who wants to just sit in the corner for 12 minutes or whatever? that shit is whack.

>>381063002
Try LFG

how is this game on ps4? is the community full of faggots or are people laid back?

>>381063002
The worst is when you spawn in a campground with one or two other people, let them search half the buildings while you search the other half, you find nothing good, head out to other campgrounds, and notice that no one has ever found Vital Item. Then you go back to your starting campground and check the fully barricaded, all-windows opened cabins that you left to other people. There's the battery, untouched.

>>381063002
I always die early trying to do objectives
It's annoying but it's good that they didn't make it too easy for people like me, forcing them to get gud

>>381063198
>ps4
faggots

>>381062115

>It's okay for Jason to completely negate two lines of defenses

>>381063198
Pretty decent mix. Overall, the breakdown is probably something like:
60%: People who don't use a mic and generally useless
25%: Useful players
15%: Faggots

>>381063243
No what is worse when somebody admits they can't do something well but do it anyway. Tiffany refuses to drop the fuse for the circuit breaker and insist on fixing the phone. player admits they can't drive, refuses to drop keys out of fear of being left behind. crashes car, everybody dies.

>>381063524
Except he didn't? The trap is still there and no one made the nigger shoot at nothing. Frankly, wasting the shift to get around the trap was stupid as shit. It put it on cooldown and that's the only door out of there. He'd have had to walk into it on the way out. And if that guy hadn't wasted the shot, the girl was there to knock him free. They'd have gotten away with the gun, forcing him to eat a trap AND with his shift on cooldown if that nigger wasn't so stupid.

>>381059484
DBD troll fuck off and die

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>Jason player complains about a Tiffany having two pocket knives
>Spent the entire game shift grabbing into an asphyxiation or window throw

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>>381063736
>They'd have gotten away with the gun, forcing him to eat a trap AND with his shift on cooldown

>Part 6 Jason
>+Shift
>Probably still has Warp available too
>Either of them getting far at all

Favorite and least favorite Jasons?

I use Part 2, 6 and 8 but I cant stand using 3, 7 and 9

>>381064216
Even with Part 6 and late game when the cooldowns are faster, it would've been 15+ seconds plus the time wasted having to eat the trap.

And that's all besides the point. The only thing wrong with your webm was that the nigger was a retard. Frankly, he should never have had the gun in the first place. Not just because he's apparently retarded and will shoot at literally nothing, but because he's playing a character that insta-stuns Jason with melee weapons.

>>381052321
they were just giving you a ride on the hood

>>381064425
Favourite is 8 or Savini. I like being able to break doors quickly. Least favourites are 3 and 7. 7 because of how underpowered he is, and 3 because he's designed for idiots. Nothing but passive strengths, and he's the only Jason with a weakness at stalking, which is the most fun power.

>>381061614
you faggot

>>381054337
It took that game almost a year to balance.

>>381064425
>3
Why? He's the most well rounded and probably most reliable

>>381064425
I always go for Part 2. You can easily hop around the map at the start and set traps at the cars and the phone. The pick has some cool kills, too.

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>>381062495
Hi there

>>381064646
>3 because he's designed for idiots
explain

>>381065123
Ability to run plus weapon strength incentivizes just meleeing people to death. That's what the majority of part 3 Jasons do, they don't even bother with grab kills.
All of his strengths are passive things the player doesn't have to think about. Nothing that changes the way he plays or boosts his powers. His weaknesses are things that shitters don't need to think about all that often. How often does the average shitter use stalk to get interesting kills? So it doesn't matter to the part 3 Jason if stalk doesn't last long and has a long cooldown.

Everything about part 3 Jason was designed for newbies. That's why he's the only one you start with. People who stick with him past the first few levels are idiots who don't even want to have fun.

>>381057990
I escape with Jenny all the time, are you a Bugzy main or something?

>>381065339
I don't think I've ever used him. by the time I got to play Jason, I had 6 unlocked and used him.

>>381065521
You sure as shit aren't the one powering the escapes, nor are you quickly transporting key items to the objectives. And you're not certainly not beating up Jason. What is Jenny good for? She's a discount AJ without the ability to repair.

>>381065607
I am always calling the cops or fixing the cars and the boat. I have never bot once relied on someone else to do so because thats suicide.

If you give Jenny good perks she is literally unstoppable.

>>381065934
Which perks are those, and how are you reliably fixing the phone as Jenny? I've done it as Jenny, but I can't imagine anyone being able to do it reliably. The windows are too small and too many, you'll make at least one mistake. And which perks are these?

>>381066335
I dont remember the names but one lets you regain stamina super fast, and the other lets you move with a hich chance of being undetected by Jasons sense.

The third perk is up to you, sometimes I use the "my dad is a cop" one.

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>>381055086
>Killers have been getting buffed

t. DBD devs

The only buffs killers have been getting are small enough to be pretty irrelevent, or just flat out useless. Biggest offender that comes to mind is the bloodlust mechanic, which punishes non shitters and only makes pallet loopers miss out on one more go around the loop before having to throw the pallet and go to pallet loop spot 2/20. Only actual buff I've seen killers get is the rework for the billys chainsaw handling, but if you could play him before this doesn't effect you much. DBD is such a good idea, and it's being slowly strangled to death by the most incompetent devs to walk the earth.

>>381051663
Friday the 13th being fun is entirely dependent on getting a jason player that isn't a huge faggot or telegrabs and instakills everyone

>>381066470
>and the other lets you move with a hich chance of being undetected by Jasons sense.
Move? Do you mean the crouching one? Also I wouldn't call a 13% boost to stamina regen while standing still to be huge. That's what the epic version of it will give you at most.

>>381054720
I swear anyone who complains about survivors being too strong as just salty killer mains who can't kill jack.

Killers have been constantly buffed throughout the lifespan of the game and survivors constantly nerfed. We're at a state where killers are slightly stronger than survivors outside of some bullshit like palette loops.

Aside from that one Tommy specific perk, do your other perks apply to Tommy?

Have they nerfed Jason's instagib blink+grab yet? Juking is only 50/50 and once he grabs you he can basically instant kill you with the throat rip (invuln once he starts the animation) so there's like a 1s window where other people can even hit him to save you. If you don't have firecrackers you're basically fucked and it's too easy to get fucked since not even a minute into the game Jason can sense you and if you don't have 10/10 composure you're never escaping from his senses.

This wouldn't even be too bad if I didn't have to fucking sit there for 20 minutes waiting for a match to end if I get unlucky and spawn right near a hotspot and die in the first few minutes of the game.

>>381053123
Dark Sense needs to be the tier 4 ability. Having stalk at tier 2 makes so much more sense on both an immersion and balancing level.

>Always play Chad Kensington
>Always yell at and taunt Jason
>Remind him my dad is a lawyer and will sue him if anything happens to me
>Sprint away at the speed of light if things get bad
>Bonus stamina perk so I can cover half the map at speed

The game is as fun as you're willing to make it. Even faggot try hard Jasons can't ruin my fun.

>>381066885
If you die in the first few minutes just leave. The 500exp you get for spectating is not worth sitting through a whole match.

>>381066885
Sometimes you don't even know to juke him since he can do it from far away so you don't get the film glitch to know he's coming for your ass.

>>381066662
Im just telling you what I use man. Im past level 40 now (should be more but I get disconnected non stop) but ive escaped more than not. Honestly whichever character you pick if you just bite the bullet and get shit done you will make it out.

>>381066649
>Friday the 13th being fun is entirely dependent on getting a jason player that isn't a huge faggot or telegrabs and instakills everyone

That and the other players not being huge fucking faggots. I hate seeing players glitch, kill each other, or help Jason.

>>381066898
>Having stalk at tier 2 makes so much more sense on both an immersion and balancing level.

I would love stalk early. I'm not some try hard faggot and being able to ambush people out the gate would be so much fun.

>>381059404
I kill chinks on sight.

>>381066682
Are you from some bizzaro alternate universe where everything is the opposite of how it is here? This only situation in which you could hold this opinion and not be baiting

>>381067051
I think that the one exception to not killing other players would be when somebody tries the bridge exploit.

>>381067095
At least it would allow people to stealth and clean houses. Stalk alone won't really hurt anyone besides Vanessa

>>381067224
I just wish people would stop using exploits and just play the damn game. Fucking Christ its annoying.

>>381067153
Killers are actually good now

Want to get f13th but heard public lobbies on PS4 are cancer.

>>381067526
Private is just as bad now. Its awful.

>It's a "non-fans don't understand the point of the game"

Most people aren't supposed to survive through a F13 movie.You're supposed to be overpowered and die more than you survive.

>>381067153
Debate me. Don't just sit there and attack random strawmen in your head.

>>381067651
I think you mean underpowered. Even so, I've had plenty of games where everyone, or at least most of the counselors survived due to incompetent Jason's or lucky item spawns

>>381067651
That's fair, but in most matches not only does everyone die, but they don't even get close to escaping. Not one. You don't feel as if you made any progress in F13. It's just running around until you die, because you sure as hell aren't going to be the one to find the key items, and the idiots on your team are just going to mix and match them between different cars anyway.

>>381067651
Bitch this excuse sucks. No one wants to play a game where you get steam rolled. And Jason got fucking killed by a 10 year old. The collision detection is so ass that attempting to utilize the "combat stance" they put in to combat Jason is a waste of time.

>>381067651
>This game is supposed to suck because that's how it is in the movies!
Then don't make a fucking a game where 1/10 of the players can enjoy it. Christ according to your logic you shouldn't even be able to die in movie-based games.

>>381067794
I meant it as Jason overpowers you but either way.

>>381067886
I rarely see Jason kill everyone and even then plenty of people get close. I've only had a handful of matches where we got steamrolled. Sounds like you just need to be a better team player.

>>381068018
Sounds like you get matched with better players than I do. I am THE teamplayer. I'll spend my own pocket knife to disarm the phone trap, step in car traps early on to clear them for later, always tell people where everything is and when Jason is chasing me and other people I stick close to them so if he grabs them I can free them.

>>381068178
I just leave any lobbies where there are people with foreign user names. Sure not every match is brilliant but it's rare to get matches with complete assholes.

>>381068018
I slaughter everyone as Jason. Shit is easy as fuck if you know how to break up the players.

And no, I dont play part 3 and shift grab

>>381068297
The problem is that they are stupid, not that they are assholes. They miss items in cabins, don't take them, don't announce things even if they have a mic.

>>381051663
You wanna learn how to play? Check out pappusgaming on twitch and youtube, he's very good.

The game gets noticeably easier once you get some good perks. A good stamina boost perk, fear reduction, and start with map are a god send. Also learning basic things like if you spawn near the car not to go into any of those houses since Jason is going to check their first most of the time.

>>381068735
>game starts
>spawn inside Pacaknack lodge
>quit the match

>>381067651
That's just a shit excuse to throw balancing right out the fucking window.

>>381068981
It's not that bad, just get out into the woods and wait to see if Jason shows up or not.

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>>381053551
Killing Jason is fucking easy if you have somewhat decent teammates.

>>381069182
>Playing Bugzy
>Last two people are heading to get the boat going
>Jason on me pretty hard but I'm geared up
>Large cabin, two pocket knifes, trapped one of the doors, baseball bat
>Spend like 4 fucking minutes diving through windows, hitting and stabbing Jason, just being as annoying as shit
>Their finally about to get the boat going
>When he's finally about to kill me yell out "You better get that car going soon"
>Kills me, morphs to car, they start the boat right after
>They get away because he wasted his morph

Still consider it a win

>>381069182
>cops are called less than 5 minutes into the game
>6 people left including me
>map shows I'm as far away from the main road as possible
>eventually 2 escape and the rest are killed
>hide under a bed for the remaining ten minutes, shitting myself as I hear Jason breaking down the door in the last 30 seconds

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>>381060370
I'm not into anime but this shit is really nice.

DBD is currently on sale for 12 bucks, bought it instead of F13, and having a ton of fun. Who else bought it?

Feng easily best azn hunney survivor and Hag best killer.

>>381069182
>Fortified 3 houses nearby (all windows open, all doors locked, traps, if present, are placed)
>Jason finds me in the last 2 minutes
>Stall him out by jumping in and out of houses, forcing him to break the door slowly down
>Once a door breaks, wait until the last second to jump out of one house and into the other
>Repeat process until he runs out of time

It's a bit vanilla, but miles better than people who hide under beds and think they're good.

They need to either make it like Dead by Daylight was in the beginning and not allow for parties in-game, or to make it so if somebody joins in a party none of them are allowed to be Jason. What's really killing this game are the amounts of slavs and chinks being buddy buddy with Jason and hitting everybody into limping state to let their buttbuddy kill them easily before being allowed to escape.

>>381070695
>They need to either make it like Dead by Daylight was in the beginning and not allow for parties in-game
Literally the reason I refunded it. Not being able to play with friends as a "feature" is fucking retarded.

Anyone know any good streamers for it? I just want to watch some gameplay with minimal chatter and no face cam while I'm grinding in mmos and such.

I watch survival horror network when he streams, but he's got an odd schedule.

>>381069182

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5_mEK7x9JU

>>381053123
If Jason teleports to you or you are in the phone house/near the cars. Just hide under a bed, wait for him to show up do his trap shit, then jump out when he leaves. Early sense doesn't even light up houses that have people in them if those people are in a hiding spot. Just don't wait for Jason to show up before hiding.

They need to completely swap the hitbox for grabbing and attacking. Makes no sense I can grab people from 5 feet away but I can't hit them unless they're point blank from me.

>be Adam
>spawn right near phone
>Jason Part 2 tunnel visions me for the first 5 minutes
>badly wounded
>no items, because didn't even have a chance to find anything, he's been literally tunneling me from the start
>he suddenly leaves (others repaired the car)
>someone calls the cops
>limp my way to one of the exits
>pray to Jesus
>cops arrive there, escape
sometimes the game is so much fun

>be AJ
>find firecrackers, medspray, the key and the propeller
>go drop the key near the car
>some stupid chink Vanessa picks it up
>tell him NO YOU LEAVE KEY
>he just runs off
>stupid chinknigger whatever
>he suddenly starts sprinting towards me
>ohgodwhy
>Jason music kicks in
sometimes I want to fucking punch my screen

Just joined a game where everyone was 600 MS. Fucking hosts living on the Moon.

I know the game is low traffic and everything, but if you're not in the US, please don't play. If you're host, you're ruining everything.

Fuck jenny
Marry deborah
Kill AJ

>>381071135
Fuck'em all, marry Tommy, kill Jason

>>381071096
>but if you're not in the US, please don't play.

How about you 3rd worlders just get some better internet? The rest of us have fibre optic internet.

>>381071213
I dont care if you have alien teletrematic dishes, MS is barely about quality, only distance from your peers.

If you live in the United Kaliphate, dont play.

post nice counselor buttt

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>new perk!
>2% increased swimspeed

>>381071308
Right, so how about you just isolate yourself and play with other Comcast-ians? You can all enjoy your shit internet together then, lol.

>>381070469
That chink can't compete with Deborah.

>>381064706
It's still not balanced and probably never will be.

>>381070928
When does sense light them up?

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>take note of which faglords glitch onto the rafters
>betray them before they can do it again next game

>>381070469
DbD girls are trash, get the fuck out

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>>381071373
>1% increased car speed
>1% decreased boat speed

>>381071521
It's based on their composure and distance, the more composed they are the shorter of a distance it will light up the house at. If they're in a hiding spot it reduces it further or early on makes you undetectable.

>>381070823
the best ones are where they play with friends and roleplay the characters

>>381068735
what level do you have to be to get the thick skinned perk? I am level 41 and all I get are the same shitty perks over and over and over again

>>381071671
It's totally random, not based on level. Just by the time you get to high level you should have at least 3 good ones.

>>381052602
>once you get spotted you die

I just gave you the point of this game, now, it works in movies where the killer takes his time and is a terminal retard
how do you think it works in a game where the killer actually use his powers and WANT to kill you?

>>381071395
>european
>generalizations, wrong ones at that
>lol
You have to go back.

>>381071747
Only if you're bad or really unlucky. You can't get away every time but it's by no means a guaranteed death just because he spots you.

>actually chasing tiffs and vanessas near the start of the game

you niggas wonder why you don't get flawless victory every time

As a DbD veteran, reading all this really just sucks to see.

I played very little of this games beta and it just felt.. Kind of like a mess, and now all the stuff about Jason being OP and the teleporting and the dying player count..

DbD certainly had its shares of ups and downs with the constant back and forth nerfs until nobody was happy. I still play it on occasion but its just not the same.

I hope this game gets a proper chance with DLC and patches before it dies. I will also say the price tag didn't help, I probably would of picked it up for $20.

>game starts and I'm Jason part 3
>morph to the phone box first thing and trap it
>while morph is on cooldown decide to break a door
>lag hits an I attack normally and hit a Chad that was directly behind the door
>end up killing him before I even have Sense available
Man, I felt really fucking bad for that Chad.

>>381071521
>>381071665
And the longer a match goes on the more powerful sense gets. Once you hit 10 minutes or so counselors themselves will light up not just show sounds blips.

>>381071809
t. 55% white country
Better learn Spanish, Amigo. It'll be your national language soon. And even when that happens, you'll still have shitty 3rd world internet, lol.

>faggots who immediately find a bed to hide under or dresser to go into and stay there the entire match.

How can that possibly be fun? Why even play the game?

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>find a group of three people near the 4 seater and one of them is Tommy
>hit him once but get shot
>he runs to the battery on the floor and picks it up and heads for the car, wanting to force me to either chase the other two for an easy kill or go after him to prevent a battery fix
>I go after the other two and Tommy runs to the car
>Trapper! 50xp
>another throwing knife finishes him off from a distance and I continue to chase the other two through the woods

>>381072178
It's not even a successful strategy. If you actually want to hide, hide in a corner of the map that Jason would have no reason to ever go to.

>>381054050
>If they'd kept Jason's supposedly realistic abilities in comparison to DbD's hypersupernatural shit it'd be tolerable, but nope, they also gave Jason hypersupernatural shit that makes hm more powerful in the game than any movie Jason, except maybe X.


Have you never seen a Friday The 13th film before?

>Literally pops up out of nowhere all the goddamn time.
>Constantly gets ahead of running survivors even after he becomes a zombie who's top speed is a brisk stroll.
>Always does that shit where some teenager sees his feet or whatever from a hiding spot, "Leaves" with a bunch of loud ass stomps, the teenager breaths a sigh of relief, and then gets stabbed through their hiding spot.
>Always displaying incredibly feats of retard strength.
>Always taking unfeasible levels of punishment and keeps going.
>Always comes back from shit he shouldn't.

For god's sake, in one movie he transferred his soul into other people whenever he died.
How the hell is that not hypersupernatural?

>>381072337
It's good early because of limited sense but yeah later on you're better off hiding outside near a light source like a campfire or streetlight.

>>381072337
>that Jason would have no reason to ever go to
Unless the Jason wises up to this strategy and starts morphing to random secluded places in the map with nothing in it.

I've been called a cheater so many times now with how much I choose a random spot on the map to morph to I think would make for a good hiding spot when my sense and noise blips aren't picking up anything and just so happen to morph right on top of someone.

>>381071923
Jason should, and as stated by the devs, remain op. You can fend Jason off if you know what you're doing. Yes you'll killed at the start at times. That shit happens in the movies too. Don't stay in hot spots at the start of a match and you won't die right away. Counselors being stronger than Jason like they are in DBD would be dumb as fuck and make no sense.

>>381072456
>Unless the Jason wises up to this strategy and starts morphing to random secluded places in the map with nothing in it.
That's true, but if you're hiding in a hiding spot he'll find you before he ever has to employ that strategy.

>the female characters generally have higher composure stat, meaning they dont cry out like a scared bitch as much as the men do when they see jason only to alert him to themselves and die

really makes you think

at least they gave the males better strength and stamina i guess lol

Tommy Jarvis should be a bigger counter to Jason.

Dude should show up with an "Upgraded" two shot rifle, a first aid spray, and a pocket knife. Or in the very least make him immune to grabs until Jason bloodies him a bit with his weapon/throwing knives/traps.
You'd think he would come fucking prepared knowing who he's going up against.

I play Part 3 because I like walking people over to environmental executions after getting them to limping state so they don't escape and the other other Jason that can do that is the exclusive pay2win one being sold for 500 dollars on eBay.

People who complain about him being able to warp around should consider it a scene change in the movies. You even get an old vhs skipping animation when he does it. Even if Jason doesn't warp around with how movies work with changing scenes and camera angles, it at least appears like Jason is getting to places it seems he shouldn't have been able to reach so "quickly".

Regardless the killer popping up out of nowhere is a horror movie trope so it more than fits.

>>381072696
All of the characters are cowards except for Jenny, AJ and Adam. Maybe Kenny and Deborah can pass with a 5/10.

>>381072851
People are complaining that Jason can teleport on top of you for an instant kill, with no warning later on in the match.

>>381072814
Actually the "pay to win" Jason has weaker grip strength than most Jasons.
>>381072707
All he needs is an inventory. Fuck the gun, give me a pocket knife, first aid and firecrackers. An inventory is more valuable than stats or weapons. Tommy will have great trouble getting a single first aid item, which means you hit him with 1 or 2 knives and he's dead. He's the most vulnerable character in the game as a result.

>>381072696

Most of the characters have low composure.
The only reason Jenny has the highest is because she's supposed to be "The girl".

You know, the bland virgin girl next door type that's always the lone survivor of any given slasher film...Or in the very least the one who dies last.

If there is a Jason vs. Freddy DLC where you can actually play Freddy or have them both hunt you donw then I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Also, why is there no Nightmare on Elms street game follows the same style (not neccesarily gameplay) as The Evil Within?

>>381073056
Tommy really does need an inventory real bad. Whereas right now he's just a second spawn for a dead player so he doesn't really help the others much. I'd be fine with the one shot gun if he also spawned with a first aid kit, a pocket knife, and an exclusive item to regain stamina. He should be not only much more of a threat to Jason, but that would also make him MUCH better equipped to actually help the other people escape without having to instantly die to do it which is what he's supposed to be doing in the first place.

>>381072935
So make it that Jason can't appear right beside a counselor? Doesn't matter either way because a competent Jason will weaken counselors before grabbing them.

>>381072696
It's usually the more down to earth girl that survives the longest in most slashers though so it makes sense. At least Tommy Jarvis has the highest composure in the game anyway.

>>381073462
Everyone is running damage reduction and double heal perks now, so attacking isn't very viable.

>>381073056
>most vulnerable
All his stats are 10+, which is more than what you give credit for.

>>381052321
Sometimes people kill you so they dont have to wait after they escape, pretty shitty strategy.

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>get Jason
>try to kill everyone as fast as possible because i don't want to be Jason
>people call me a tryhard
>get Jason two more times that night
I'm sorry, I just want to play as Counselor.

>>381073601
No, it isn't. He has no inventory which means he can't defend himself and will go into an incurable limping state after getting hit with two knives, sometimes one. That's not even getting into the fact that perks don't work on him. The average player at this point is running damage reduction and double heal perks. Tommy can't use any of that.

>>381055958
>pauses to close the door

kek

>>381073508
It is when I'm Jason. Smack them around until limping. If they have a pocket knife they're still limping. If they can heal their fear is by this point really high and their stamina is low. Sure it may buy them some time but by this point you've likely killed several counselors already. Worrying about how long it takes to kill the them is a nonissue.

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>>381054337
Dbd is ass and so are the fags who created it.

>>381073508
>so attacking isn't very viable
It is for Part 3 and Savini.

>>381073803
For part 3, sure, but who would want to play as him? He's boring and can't even stalk properly. Savini's ability to deal large damage doesn't matter when he can't run.

>>381073748
Forgot to mention I play as Jason 7 exclusively. The "shitty" Jason. I don't care if he's not the best. He looks rad and even the supposedly worst Jason can clean house.

>>381073907
It's tragic how weak part 7 is. The devs have to have known exactly what they were doing with him. He's scientifically designed to be as shitty as possible.

>>381073675
Tommy's speed, repair skill and stamina alone make him one of my favorites to use. Hopefully by the time Tommy comes around, the counselors will have come somewhat close to escaping, and it's your job to help them escape which is the entire premise of the character.

>>381073332
>If there is a Jason vs. Freddy DLC where you can actually play Freddy or have them both hunt you donw then I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

shouldnt jason and freddy fight each other too then?

that would be a sick game, imagine them fighting and stumbling on a group of counselors and turning on them instead

>>381074072
Yes of course, I'm just not sure if i'd rather have Freddy be an independent, NPC that just does random shit or if he should be a playable character. (this would probably result in trolling though and make it unplayable for non-Jasons)

>>381074072
>game starts off as a "who can kill the most counselors"
>becomes a 1v1 at the end, or whenever they bump into eachother

>Spawn in as Jason
>Grab my two knives from the cabin and see that some idiot is sprinting
>Teleport over to them to find them inside a cabin, the door wide fucking open
>Go inside and try to get him, he just starts running in circles around the couch
>"Dude fuck off and go find someone else, I'm ready to spend the entire game running around this couch unless you let me go"
>Decide I don't give a shit if everyone escapes, I'm killing this fucker
>I back off to the door, placing a bear trap in front of it so he can't get out and I chase the fucker around the couch
>Don't even bother trying to grab him, just melee him
>Eventually I melee him to death
>"WOW YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING PUSSY BITCH JASON"
>He comes back as Tommy and I hear him bitching about me
>Tell everyone that's near him that if they kill Tommy they get to escape
>One guy takes the offer and starts hitting Tommy, hurts him enough that I'm able to catch and insta choke him
>He still bitches about me not letting him go in the beginning
This playerbase fucking baffles me. Retards sprint the second the game starts, don't lock or even close doors, and then cry when I don't let them escape

>>381073907
Me too, man. Play best looking Jason and give counselors an actual chance to work together and escape, makes for interesting and great matches if you're not a tryhard who needs an 8/8 every time to pretend he's having fun.

>>381074350
Part 7 is just too weak. He's so easy to bully and unless counselors outright fail to find the key items needed to power an escape method, part 7 will generally fail to kill more than half of them.

>>381074420
You trap the phone and two cars at the start. Between each morph cooldown to trap these positions you break generators outside nearby houses to increase everyones fear. If no generators nearby you grab a knife.

After that you do your thing. A trap goes off and you know you caught someone. Warp to the most trafic heavy car or the phone, or wait for a failing noise. Keep an ear out for the boat engine.

I got the highest tier flawless victory badge for killing everyone and I only use Jason 7. I admit he's the weakest but you can most certainly get them all.

>>381074918
You're up against newbies or uncoordinated teams. 3 traps is jackshit, they trigger the traps, heal, and run and now you're basically naked. Once they get the car started, good luck stopping it when you can't run and your shift is garbage. You also take longer to catch people than any other Jason.

And you get absolutely nothing in return for all of this, because part 7 has the worst possible combination of strengths and weaknesses. Somebody in the dev team must have it out for that movie or design.

>>381075021
How could they make him better without changing his weakened shift? Let's say he also has to keep water speed for obvious reasons. Remove grip or sense strength and add what? Quicker morph? Boosted stalk?

>Game Starts
>Immediately Jason warps near me
>Get hacked to death
>No big deal
>Host near me gets mad about it because he hates "Slashing Jasons"
>Before he dies he calls Jason a stupid nigger
>I get reported along with the host because they think the host and I are friends since he got angry when I died
>I just joined a random game, don't know the host
>Account banned for one day

Ahh isn't online gaming just grand.

>>381075397
>Things that never happened
No one gets reported or banned in this game. Hackers and pirates everywhere.

>Higgins haven
>spawns you at the big house
>Jason teleports directly to you
The worst map in the game imo

>>381075649
Explain my banned account then.

The online is already tremendously cancerous, so no surprise there.

>>381075871
Just turn on the radio, go upstairs into a room, close the door behind you, and hide for for the first 90 seconds of the game. Easy as shit, fampie.

>>381054665
Is this real? This sounds like some "that kid" shit Jesus Christ.

>>381075954
Still the worst map. The fuck that I have to waste 90 seconds hiding because the spawns are so predictable is a testament to that.

>Still no Freddy
>Still no Ash
>Still noTina Shepard instead of Jarvis when playing against Jason part VII

So the game is buggy as shit, has a lobby that loads into another lobby before you get to the game but damn is it fun im loving it.

>>381075021
Stopping the car is easy you block the road or warp into it

>>381075871
If you get a nice jason he can let the game play abit

>>381074329
The worst is when people arent in game chat, as jason cant hear them and the game becomes less fun

>>381076602
>>Still no Freddy
Needs his own separate style of game. Something that plays up the dream angle.
>>Still no Ash
It kind of defeats the purpose of an asymmetrical horror game when you give the 7 man team Ash fucking Williams.
>>Still noTina Shepard instead of Jarvis when playing against Jason part VII
That would be keen.

Why the fuck do they give you the option to break out of Jason's grasp when Jason can just kill you instantly? Doesn't make sense. I just got killed by asphyxiation and I ducking filled up the god damn meter but apparently it didn't count.

>>381077224
so when the jason tries to do a zany epic environmental kill you can ruin his fun for about 5 seconds

>>381077250
>implying any Jason doesn't just kill you instantly

>>381077353
theres only one time out of 100+ where the jason didnt just snap me in half, so that sounds about right.

>>381077104
I'm just convinced that people who play the game are fucking retarded.
>Get into lobby, everyone has a mic
>"Hey guys, can we just establish right now DO NOT sprint right in the beginning, it gives Jason your location and I don't want to get dicked over because I spawned next to you"
>Everyone agrees
>We spawn in, retard right next to me instantly sprints inside the manner to get the shotgun before anyone else
>Jason teleports to us and I have to spend 5 goddamn minutes shaking him
Seriously, this shit pisses me off. It's common fucking sense to not sprint in the beginning, yet everyone does it

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>>381077995
>play Deb
>Buggzy and Chad spawn near me

Best/worst counselor?
Jen and Chad respectively, Deb is cutest by far
Best/worst Jason?
2 and 7 respectively

Can you play this game as a bro Jason, slowly stalking around and generally trying to spooky people and still have fun and not get btfo?

>>381078062
Worse thing is fixing the boat. You can't tell ANYONE besides a friend, because people will actively fuck you over when they fight for the free slot on the boat
>Fixing up the boat, already got the gas in
>Found the propeller and I'm slowly making my way to the boat
>Someone sees me walking with the propeller
>"Oh shit dude you're fixing the boat? Can I come with?"
>He had a radio
>Now every counselor knows the boat is being fixed
>They either talk about it and Jason hears, flat out tell Jason, or all rush to the boat to try getting on it
>Escape chance went from 90% to 10% because faggots can't keep their goddamn mouths shut

>>381078397
Jenny is not very good. Composure and Luck galore, but no speed and just one point away from being decent at stealth (aka. shit at stealth too)? Yeah, good luck.
Chad is just shit all around, but roleplaying on him is fun.
Best counselor stat-wise is Deb by far.

Is there a chchchchch ha ha ha ha ha button?

What's the best way to spook people?

>>381078798
>Deb
>No stamina, or weapon durability, negligible composure
No thanks. I hate having my screen fog up from the stupid fear mechanic in this game, which is why I'm currently using Jen.

>>381078397
2 is only toppest of tiers because he has enough traps to ensure objectives will NEVER be done unless everybody spends all the pocket knives on the map.

>>381078397
Best Jason is 2 if you plan on objective camping, 8/Savini if you want to rush everybody
Poor 7 is so bad, yet he looks the coolest. Really lame that the devs are not saying a fucking word regarding balancing

>>381078928
Chi chi chi only happens when Jason earns a new ability.

Best way to spook is to use morph and stalk a lot. Morph to get infront/next to them, stalk to make them think you left, then when they try to leave the house you grab them. Using traps and knives are good too.

>>381078798
>Best counselor stat-wise is Deb by far.
No, that would be AJ. Just enough repair to not have a chance of getting a bullshit hard repair game, too much stealth ensuring Jason will never find you, and enough composure to ensure you can be left alone for a good long while before getting high fear.

AJs are by far the best counselor for lone play because of this combination. Deb is for people who have shitty motor skills and somehow find a 6 repair minigame too hard.

>>381079202
I really wouldn't recommend using Morph a lot, you could fuck yourself by not having it ready when a trap springs or you hear a repair cue

>>381067651
Then they should make losing fun, and the first step to that is to have a game as close to technically perfect as possible. You need to be able to die and go "Damn, that was tense" rather than "Fuck, that was bullshit".

>>381054754
huh, its ALMOST like this game is fucking bad...
its almost like buying the game was a waste of $40....

>>381079379
Wait, not morph, I mean the other ability where you steer him. Shift? That's what I meant

>>381073658
If you have your preference set to counselor there is no reason you should get a Jason spawn.