Replaying Fusion. I don't remember this fucker being so

>>380991147
Zero mission and fusion improved the movement so much and yet Super is still the better game. How?

Hardest boss in the game IIRC.

I'm replaying the Prime games. Finished 1 and started Echoes last night. Echoes has been great but it's different from what I remember. It looks more cartoony, I think.

Dude, just stay in morph ball form for the first phase of the fight until he opens his mouth for you to spam missiles into, and then hide in the corner spamming Charge Beams for the second phase.

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Have any of you ever met any Metroid fans in real life?

>>380991224
Because Superfags refuse to accept anything that isn't Super.

>>380991408
Just bought Super on snes for $8 on Amazon. Really excited to play through it.

>>380991408
Super was the last metroid game i played. Played prime, zero mission and fusion on release a hundred years ago and super metroid in 2014

>>380991147
anyone else doing a full rerun of the games? i'm setting up my 3ds to play zero mission, samus returns, super and fusion and already have my wii set for the prime series.

im playing federation force right now and is not half as bad as i thought.

>>380991387
Yes...?

>>380991337
I second this

>>380991387
Also kek at that pic. ALSO, gonna need source.

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>>380991147
this nigga is the only one that really gave me trouble. I didn't realize right away that using the stairs is a big advantage

Fusion had the best bosses imo. Tough but not in a cheating way.

Reminder that only the JP version of fusion has hard mode.
Go play it you casual

>>380991147
I still haven't beaten the final SA-X fight. I suck horribly at it.
Sure would be nice if I could go back and get the energy tanks I missed.

>>380991147
The worst thing about this guy was that you had to go a long way from the last save point before fighting him.

>>380991147
that's where I dropped my hard run the first time, second time was at escaping SA-X after that

>>380992426
what? that's in the western release too, I remember playing it

>>380992491
You can.

>>380991224

it's tighter and faster paced, but there is less freedom and ability to manipulate momentum. it's like comparing the mega drive sonic games to the side scrolling sections of colors, generations etc.

>>380991224
>>380991408
if people are genuinely asking:
while super is more floaty and slow, it has more movement options. both intended and non-intended. as consequence the game has a lot of sequence break possibilites open for you.

also in general the game lets you play on your own. many people like me did not like the hand holding and linearity of the new titles.

Why do people want a story about Samus being a fugitive? Samus is the one the Feddies call up when they run into a problem they can't deal with.
>WAAAAH! BIG SISTER, THE SPACE PIRATES ARE BEING MEAN AGAIN! WAAAAAH!
The Federation is less than nothing to her. This woman has killed gods, and the best idea any of these mouthbreathers have come up with to try and take her out, is to come at her with farming equipment. Sounds like that'd be a riveting story, eh?

>>380992887
Show me some crazy speedrun stuff

i hate that eye boss that floats around. i even had to watch a video on how to beat him but couldn't do it. i had a similar issue with mother brain in metroid 1

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BATTLE DAMAGE SAMUS IS GO

>>380991387
took me too long. only met other m fans

>>380991387
I once saw a guy in a movie theater wearing a Metroid t-shirt.

>>380991831
Oh I'm so sorry... I didnt know you were an absolute faggot

>>380991831
federation force isnt even a metroid ga.

>>380991147
>tfw died like four times to this fucker the last time I played, because I forgot how to take him down. When I finally remembered what you were supposed to do, I think I only died one more time before taking him out. This fucking boss, though.

Also died a bunch to the plant boss like immediately after. More times than I did to Yakuza iirc.

>>380991387
Yes, actually. Saw a dude at my LCS once who had one a sweet Metroid shirt and I complimented him on it.

>>380993164
Look up reverse boss order.

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why do I have to buy this on a fucking wii u to be able to play it legally, why can't I just have it on my 3DS.

>>380991224
Super has a better map. Fusions map is very linear and straightforward and Zero Mission, while they did expand and add on a lot, just doesn't have much depth since it's based on the original nes title that used copy pasted segments to pad out 90% of the game.
Super Metroid not just encourages exploration but is so well designed that you can sequence break in all sorts of ways and not get stuck because the game was built to let you do that.

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>playing Super Metroid again on 3DS
>mfw trying to do tricky wall jump shenanigans
I swear to god, the 3DS d-pad is too fucking small and the circle pad isn't precise enough. Jumps that I usually get on my first or second try are driving me insane.

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>>380993231

>>380991147
pretty sure I only had trouble on Nightmare and the second time you fight that robot

>>380993575
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reverse+boss+order.+super+metroid

which one lad?

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>>380991224
super does the best job of any game in the series, possibly anywhere, of presenting you with a "nonlinear" world, while secretly being set up to guide you exactly where it wants you to be at almost all times. you get the tightly controlled pacing of a linear game, without sacrificing the player's sense of agency

example: the game goes out of its way to trap you inside lower brinstar/norfair, and keep you there until you get the ice beam. you have to go into norfair to get the high jump; immediately back out to crawl around lower brinstar until you find kraid; immediately head back into norfair proper to get at least the speed booster and ice beam; and only then does it let you freeze your way upward toward the power bombs

after this,the "efficient" non-sequence-breaking choice is to head back to norfair *again* for the grapple beam, but instead they present you with this shiny power bomb door leading directly to an exit, which of course you're going to take. freed from the depths of the world for the first time in hours, you're then free to use two of the game's most powerful tools (power bomb, speed booster) to re-explore the world and discover all the cool shit you missed

metroid isn't just "backtracking;" this piece of super uses "revisiting previous areas" to produce two distinct yet complementary effects. trapping player inside norfair forever, making them keep dipping in and out, creates a sense of active hostility toward that piece of the world -- but by delaying the return to crateria for as long as possible, that hostility is then converted into huge catharsis, when player finally breaks free

to cement this, it changes your crateria theme from rainy ambience to a bright, triupmhant fanfare. utterly perfect

but the real secret sauce: as soon as you the player figure out the "nonlinear" trick, it's flexible enough to let you sequence break it, claiming even more agency for yourself providing you have the skills

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>>380993654

>>380993612
w8 w8 hold up. fusion is available on the 3DS and zero mission on the wii u? Aren't both on the wii U or 3ds? I got both but i would prefer it on the wii U because i might be playing it on the TV too.

>>380993575
i guess zoasty has the wr now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp-VeEuZsP0

he does some fancy stuff. i mean he does play the game in reverse after all.

>>380993815
meant for
>>380993702

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>>380993789
im pretty sure fusion is on the wiiu. also just pirate your 3ds and inject both

>>380991224
Like everyone has said, Super is more mechanically complex. Personally I think the ultimate Metroid experience is a combination of Super and ZM/AM2R. If could combine the mechanics and non-linearity of Super with the polish and little tweaks of AM2R you'd have THE Metroid game.
>>380993702
Any, also look up world records, some crazy shit happens in those routes.

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In Metroid fusion, you are the metroid

And you're being hunted by the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy, Samus Aran

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>>380992151
That boss theme was creepy as they come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8JEDuXZaDI

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>>380994079

>exploration
Super>ZM>AM2R>Fusion

>art
Super>AM2R=Fusion=ZM

>combat/fights
AM2R>Fusion>Super>ZM

What do you guys think?

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I started playing am2r yesterday. the soundtrack gives me the feelsies.
I want to dig out my gamecube and play the prime series again.
metroid will always be my favorite series.

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>>380994220

>>380993756
Thank you for this detailed answer.
>>380993815
>>380993907
Aight.

>>380994153
Flaahgra is my favourite spooky battle theme in the series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhnrH30411A

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>>380993019
The Federation is already able to fully reverse engineer Chozo tech as of Fusion. If they can mass produce it AND are able to train/augment grunts to be able to use it proficiently then Samus stops being an essential asset, therefore they can (try to) make her answer for the shit she pulled in the BSL without fearing alienating her.

>>380991224

Other folks have answered this really well already, but I'd just like to add that Fusion is a horror game. While the horror is effective, it necessarily sacrifices the agency that y'all have mentioned for narrative purposes. Additionally, the player is constantly in a state of fear, which makes exploration feel unnatural and wrong. This is totally different from Super in which the player feels like an intrepid adventurer.

I wonder: what would the developers have changed if they weren't working with the Metroid IP? There would probably be a greater emphasis on the horror and even more linearity.

>>380994070
>Personally I think the ultimate Metroid experience is a combination of Super and ZM/AM2R. If could combine the mechanics and non-linearity of Super with the polish and little tweaks of AM2R you'd have THE Metroid game.

Though it will never happen, god yes I'd want that. I'd develop it with the reconstructed AM2R source if I had the time, dedication, and skill, but I just don't.

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>>380991147
It's shit boss encounter design due to amount of ground you have to cover before fighting him again, it's tiresome.

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Say whatever you want about Samus Returns but holy Christ, it has the best Samus design since Prime 1/Brawl

>>380993756
i enjoyed your post anon

>>380994729
Yeah I've thought about this too, but for that level of effort I'd rather make my own game.

>>380994841
I'm just glad the Other M suit is gone

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>>380994297
This. I was stupidly late to AM2R and started playing it a few nights ago. This shit is so fucking good. Definitely one of the best 2D Metroid games. I consider it 'canon' along with the rest of the good games in the series, in the sense that it's a damn good game and holds up to SM, ZM, and Fusion.

Who /AM2R/ here?

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>>380993756
addendum: the placement of powerups is gradated to give you "nonlinear" options within each actually-practically-linear segment of the game, further enhancing your sense of exploration-oriented freedom, without ever truly letting go of the leash.

the spazer, for example, has little-to-no bearing on your ability to progress through the world, and is consequently one of easiest "core" powerups to sequence break. the various expansions and e-tanks, by virtue of being optional and hidden, give you a satisfying "i'm in control of my path" tingle every time you dig one out, even though they're generally minor diversions toward the True Path the game has stealthily locked you onto.

making it to the power bombs without touching norfair, on the other hand, is a real bitch. if you want true freedom, you have to work for it - but, if you're good enough, it'll relent

don't take this the wrong way: i thoroughly enjoy fusion for how it makes use of the player-freedom it sacrifices to build up the spooky atmosphere much, much more comprehensively. but that's a giant text dump for another time

>>380994841
Agreed.

>>380994895
Agreed hoping this design sticks with her future titles

>>380991147
He always was that hard.

>>380994841
It's slick yet robust and looks powerful. The Helmet could be a bit better i guess. But it wouldn't fit if they were going for the more traditional look

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>>380994841
>Say whatever you want about Samus Returns

I think it looks fantastic and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so. The special edition is a day one buy, baby.

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>battle damaged and still fighting

My fetish. Thank you for this, anon.

>>380995007
I played through it today, actually, that little Fusion easter egg blew my mind. I really don't think SR is going to be better.

>>380991147
I died more times to this boss than anything else in the game from what I remember

>>380992151
Man, the Nightmare scared the everloving shit out of me as a kid.

>>380993756
Good post anon, I agree. I feel like the first prime game tried to emulate that sort of feel as well.

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>>380991387
my oldest friend is a huge metroid nerd but i've never been interested in the series despite finishing fusion and liking it a lot
i remember that we used to complete puzzles together in echoes and playing the multipayer a lot when we were babs, he also gave me his copy of the first prime but i've never made past the parasite queen

>>380995241
>the way his face keeps melting
Fucking hell

>>380995241
I never beat Super Metroid because Phantoon (or however you write it) scared the crap out of me.
Still don't because he still does.

Which game has the best bosses in the series?

I think it's a tie between Fusion and Echoes for me.

>>380995109
>still not available to pre-order
FUCK. I KNOW i will be too late to pre-order the special edition

>>380991147
Get into a ball and slip to the corners

>>380995007
>can morph with the press of a button
Playing any other 2D Metroid after AM2R feels so dated in comparison despite others having better level design.

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>>380994990

>>380995191
Yeah, just melding everything great from Fusion into a 2 remake is like my dream come true, it's like a final, almost perfect ending to the GBA Metroid era and far better than it has any right to be. Samus Returns 3DS is also exactly what I've been hankering for (a modern take on classic Metroid), but I doubt it will feel as well-crafted as AM2R

>>380995409
The wrecked ship scared me when I was a kid too. It's creepy as fuck before you restore the power and there no save stations. Like the game is telling you you're about to get fucked.

>>380995443
I got my pre-order from FUCKING GAMESTOP because Amazon was being a shit.

>>380991147
>I, the Yakuza, will kill Samus as easily as I killed Gunpei

What did Nintendo mean by this?

>>380994841
I love the visor and the pauldrons, 10/10
Too bad it doesn't look as good ingame

>>380995608
I forgot to look there. Seriously i totally forgot gamestop exists. Thanks, gonna do the same.

>>380994841
I disagree. I dislike that it still has that weird plastic/tin foil texture as the Other M suit. I don't like how big the shoulder pauldrons are. Remember how Retro turned that shit down for Prime 2 and 3? Yeah. Finally, I'm not a fan of the visor at all. Looks like Dark Samus'.

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>>380995389
tfw its real low on hp its face is practically nonexistent.

>>380995742
>tfw I have no face

super does the best job of any game in the series, possibly anywhere, of presenting you with a "nonlinear" world, while secretly being set up to guide you exactly where it wants you to be at almost all times. you get the tightly controlled pacing of a linear game, without sacrificing the player's sense of agency

example: the game goes out of its way to trap you inside lower brinstar/norfair, and keep you there until you get the ice beam. you have to go into norfair to get the high jump; immediately back out to crawl around lower brinstar until you find kraid; immediately head back into norfair proper to get at least the speed booster and ice beam; and only then does it let you freeze your way upward toward the power bombs

after this,the "efficient" non-sequence-breaking choice is to head back to norfair *again* for the grapple beam, but instead they present you with this shiny power bomb door leading directly to an exit, which of course you're going to take. freed from the depths of the world for the first time in hours, you're then free to use two of the game's most powerful tools (power bomb, speed booster) to re-explore the world and discover all the cool shit you missed

metroid isn't just "backtracking;" this piece of super uses "revisiting previous areas" to produce two distinct yet complementary effects. trapping player inside norfair forever, making them keep dipping in and out, creates a sense of active hostility toward that piece of the world -- but by delaying the return to crateria for as long as possible, that hostility is then converted into huge catharsis, when player finally breaks free

to cement this, it changes your crateria theme from rainy ambience to a bright, triupmhant fanfare. utterly perfect

but the real secret sauce: as soon as you the player figure out the "nonlinear" trick, it's flexible enough to let you sequence break it, claiming even more agency for yourself providing you have the skills

>>380995525
>>380995685
I'm sensing a reoccurring theme in your pictures of samus.

>>380995813
t. Nightmare

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>>380994841
Personally I'm not a big fan of the pauldrons, they look almost ridiculous. I'd prefer it of they looked more like the ones here, in the last panel.

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>>380995525
Yeah alright, I'll just forget my fucking pic.

>>380991147
Charged shots, no missiles, it'll go down in no time. If you're playing in hard mode, never let it grab you.

>>380991224
Better contents.

>>380995512
>jump
>tap morph
>tap spider ball
>climb any wall

This is so fucking cool and skill-based that its a shame that its not that important for exploring once you get infinijump

>>380995864
They are suppose to be huge because they allow extreme temperatures, you need massive heat sinks/vents to manage lava dude.

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>>380996053
Ironic the game that introduced them didn't involve them providing heat resistance.

>>380995512
Not really, Its the same acrobatics as ZM basically with a few different moves. I really enjoyed AM2R but to me it was just more GBA metroid. Going from GB to GBA was huge so I'm hyped as shit for the next step in 2D.

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>>380996084

>>380995512
Also the charged bombs are fucking cool. Something I love doing is jump while charging, morph in mid air and let the bombs rain on the enemies. Doesn't do a lot of damage but fuck me if it doesn't feel great. They should do that more in Metroid games you know, make the upgrades more viable in combat, "weaponize" them more if you will, so you're not stuck with beams and missiles all the way through.
>>380996053
It's fine if they make sense lorewise, I still don't like how massive they are.

>>380996204
Yeah it was just a way to separate the Varia from the normal suit.

Was it ever proven/disproven that the Space Pirate Mother Ship from Zero Mission is/should be the Wrecked Ship?

>>380993653
>play super on wii u since got it for 30 cents as part of ambassador programs
>introduction to the series, do nothing too crazy
>later play zm and fusion, ditto
>play AM2R
>hooked to shit, learned all the tricks and ways to break the other games
>boot up all games (minus II) on my 3DS and completely destroy them, including reverse boss order for zm and super

Nah mate you're just bad

>>380993612
>hack your 3ds
>unlimited rom injects

i just played it on my 3ds last night, i dont undastan

All these comfy Metroid threads since Nintendo's E3 getting a Metroid boner guess when I get back from work going to start a new file in Prime trilogy again.

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>Yakuza
Hug the corners and stay in morphball like your life depends on it, because it does. You can escape the grab with d-pad mashing. Once his head falls off, you can shoot him whenever he's not spinning.

>Nettori
You can avoid most plasma beam shots on the lower leftmost platform, swapping between morphball and crouching to shoot the pollen. If all else fails lay a power bomb to clear the pollen and buy a few seconds to whale on him. If you fall into the flowers, you have to hold the jump button to escape; a quick tap or even mashing the button won't get you out.

>Nightmare
First phase is simple; high jump in front of him and he'll follow you up. You'll land first and get a free shot at the gravity manipulator. This still works after it activates. Once the mask falls off, I find it best to bait him into a charge and then space jump completely over him, but some people have trouble with that. Then you can stick to the ladder and pump missiles into his melting face.

There was a period of my life where Metroid Fusion was one of the only GBA games I had, and the cart was broken so that it couldn't save properly. I had to beat it in one sitting or lose all my progress, so I gained the ability to beat every boss without taking any hits. I wonder if I still can.

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PHAZON'S A HELL OF A DRUG

I got the Prime Trilogy and played through Prime 1 last year during the summer. I want to do the same again with Prime 2 but I don't have the drive. Give me some reasons to make me go play it now

>>380996416
wew

>>380996204
Well to be fair the first 2 didnt have environmental changes like that. Just acid pools mostly. So increased defense was the way to go as was the standard in zelda as well.

The SNES had more power so thats when it became for superheated rooms. Do we know if the varia suit in SR is for lava yet? Its the last game after all since ZM added lava rooms. Will be interesting the design choices and changes in level design if it is.

Fuck the map changes from M1 to ZM were so drastic and amazing with additional bosses. I really hope SR can do the same.

>>380991224
Super sucks. Get over it.

i started this on an emulator but didn't finish it. i haven't played a metroid game since super was new on the snes. if i finish fusion, what other metroids are similar to it and super?

>>380996669
>Don't have a nunchuck
>kittens ate the cord to the sensor bar
>don't like first person shooter games anyway

I'm glad I could help the cause at least.

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>>380996739
Why is Fusion art so scarce

>>380996824
your're mom gave me the Super suck, if you catch my rift

>>380994841

the proportions are awkward

>>380996542
Pretty sure that was why they added it in ZM.

Not sure if it was ever proven with hard evidence from the creator though

>>380996416
fucking speed runners man

>>380996901
>thinking it was kittens
>not rogue metroids trying to stop your killing spree

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>>380996936
It's sort of the underdog between Super and ZM, but people have started to appreciate more recently.

/comfort/

Thank you based nindo

>>380996542
Sakamoto said they're not the same.
http://www.metroid-database.com/features/faq.php
Question 2.

>>380991147
>The most worthwhile and noteworthy GBA games are STILL not released on the 3DS Eshop

>But they are on the home consoles

Why does Nintendo do this? So they WANT me to hate them?

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>>380996901
I'll kill some pirates for you anon.

>>380996843
Zero Mission is a more arcade version of Super. It plays like Fusion but doesn't hold your hand as much. Though there are still statues that'll tell you where to go you can avoid those. AM2R is like a faster Super with Zero Missions controls

>>380997261
With the 3DS finally getting a 2D metroid game they might maybe release the full collection through the VC, but I'm not sure if they even publish GBA VC games anymore

>>380997261
My Lad it literally takes a 30 minute youtube video to softmod your 3ds

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>>380996416
This one feels good to pull off.

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>>380997217
>>380997217
>Sakamoto
>Why is metroid purple Sakamoto

>>380996821
Yeah, they showed heat damage in the Treehouse.

>>380997502
This is the moment I was introduced into the world of sequence breaking. I pulled this off as a kid and it blew my fucking mind.

In Prime 4, Samus should be characterized through first-person gesturing, Doom style.

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>>380997502
I played and loved Super Metroid ever since I was a kid and I have replayed it AT LEAST once every other year or so since but I still for the life of me can't get wall jumping down.

>>380997771
You should kill yourself, doom style.

>>380991831
I'm playing Metroid 2 on my gameboy for the first time and I fucking love it other than there not being a map. I've only played Super when I was little.

>>380997485
Yes, because I WANT to risk turning something I paid $150 for into a useless brick.

>>380991147
He isn't even the hardest boss in fusion, Nightmare and SA-X were much tougher.

>Decide to play Metroid Prime 3 to see if it 's as bad as I remember it (haven't played it since it launched)
>Spent like 3 hours in the first part of the game scaning everything
>Forgot to scan Ridley
God fucking dammit, I don't want to start again.

>>380997553
I mean, the man appears senile at times, but he is the director.

fun fusion fact: the game makes sure you only (have to) visit each sector twice, and does its best to stagger them out as far apart as it can. there is one notable, flagrant exception to this: you go into ARC to get the ice missiles, leave to go free the animals, then go directly back in to get the power bombs. nothing interesting happens during this sequence.

I can't tell if they meant to do it? like, if they had one two many powerups, and the power bombs really needed to come in at this point, so, uh, uh, ok, uh, whatever, let's just have them go visit the same data room again

but it also works really well. having two more trips through ARC's opening room helps to really build up Nightmare, and this whole segement is basically a low-key calm before the power goes out, at which point the entire rest of the game consists of more and more shit continually smashing harder and harder into the fan

>>380997863
Unlike the other prime games, you can start over a completed file with all your scans still scanned. Just remember to get it next time.

>>380997856
I never had a problem with Nightmare and SA-X, but that fucking spider destroyed me routinely.

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>Playing 3 Metroid games and alternating between them constantly.
I can just finish Zero Mission again, but I want to collect all the items, but at the same time DON'T want to waste time collecting the items. AM2R I've gotten about 2/3 through, and I just started up Super Metroid.
Why do I do this to myself?

>>380997819
Okay, I'll take your bait. Why do you object to to this idea?

>>380997771
Could be neat, like if she finds a little harmless creature she could pet it a bit.

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>>380997607
Fug this is going to be one hell of a metroid then.

>cant go anywhere till you kill shit because acid
>even when you can go places lava fucks your shit
>half the places are also locked or you need grapple/spider/space jump

This is either going to be the best or worst metroid. I cant fucking wait

>>380997837
Zero risk on O3DS, 0.1% risk on N3DS if you can't read and/or leave your charger unplugged

>>380998063
I'll bite back, why donÄt you kill yourself/haven't done it yet?

>>380997771
>Samus flips off Ridley

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>>380997502
Now for something a bit older.

>>380998106
There's no way it will be the worst Metroid. I'm guessing it will be Fusion tier at the least.

>>380998316
>Metroid Prime 4
>co-op mode with donte
>Fuck you!

>>380998415
Okay your right.
I completely blocked that out apparently.

But I agree, worst case its like fusion only with metroids and new mechanics.

>>380991147
>I don't remember this fucker being so hard.


I do. Almost rage quit the game because if that faggot.

>>380997053
>metroidstein 3d

>>380998230
How the fuck do you even connect a 3DS to a computer?

Just finished AM2R. Gonna try to finally kill all the Metroid games I've have laying around. Never got through Echoes, which is up next. Gotta beat the final MP3 boss (like, I ragequitted because he had like one hit left in the third phase when I died. It's been like, 3 years?). And then finish Super Metroid (similiar scenario to MP3, just never beat the final boss.. I think I was even at the last save point)

>played fusion on a phone
>mfw that spider
>mfw nightmare
>mfw even that sea thing
>mfw I have no face
Never do this to yourselves

>>380993756
Lol dude get over it

>>380998817
Not the suree dee esu, only the Esu Dee Carudo

>>380993789
>fusion is available on the 3DS
Only if you're an ambassador because fuck you.

>>380998072
Cute! There could be a bit where she comes across a sacred chozo site and does a little prayer.

>>380998316
Or makes him eat charge shots again. Still love that display of unabashed loathing.

>>380998863
Tester was the hardest boss by far, btw. Funny that he's optional

>>380998878
>played and beaten zer mission on my iphone 4 and used a wii remote via bluetooth
>This is also the way i beat megaman zero
Bonus
>i beat earthbound on my iphone 4, too, with touch controls only.
Fuck me it's been 4 years since. I didn't have other options considering that i was in the army back then.

>>380991387
>wub-a-dub-a-dub fuck me too?.png

>>380998817
You don't, numnuts. Stick the microSD out. If you're on a N3DS hacking means you also get to use FTP transmissions when you're done so you NEVER have to stick your SD out again. Hacking your 3DS is great even if you don't want free games as the secondary features (streaming, screenshots, overclocking non-n3DS games, FTP, cheating, mods, etcetera) more than justify it

>>380991224
The floaty movement of Super was actually better than the rock-drop movement of later games. Metroid is, or used to be, a vertical game. And thus, aerial movement was important. Being able to float, allowed the player greater control in air.

Since Samus's gravity increased, the games lost a piece of it's identity.

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>>380991147
I'm playing Zero Mission for the first time on my 3DS and am stuck in Kraid trying to get to the bottom. What do?

Although my 3DS is hacked, I can't take screenshots in virtual console games so had to use my camera.

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>>380998392
Now maybe something a bit newer.

>>380995328
The elevator placement in Prime 1 was perfect that any time you had an idea of where you wanted to go, if you remembered seeing a powerup somewhere else you could take a detour to go get it. I'm no sequence breaker but it's neat having all 12 artifacts before stepping foot in the temple for the first time

Prime 2 having 3 distinct areas and 3 objectives kinda ruined that a bit

Why are AM2R metroids so easy to cheese

>>380992887
Ground movement in Super and the ability to gain huge height on ramps adds so much depth that just isn't there in the GBA games. All they had to do was keep the same system and just make Samus fall and gain height faster, not gut everything and streamline it.

>>380999397
They kinda were in Metroid II anon.

>>380999234
Thats because it gained a different one with more consistent movement and ledge grabs into walljumps.

The level design changed because of the GBA screen, you could only show so much on screen at once vertically.

M5 on switch would be the fucking tits if they brought back the vertical design super used.

>>380999316
Go to the bottom-left room. It's actually a bullshit route and caused me to accidentally kill Ridley before Kraid because finding a way there was easier.

>>380991147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqszxx7mdd0
this shit is still making my heart race

>>380999316
Find a dead end that isn't a dead end.

explor gud

>>380999379
I agree but I also wish there were hidden ways between the areas that acted as shortcuts like super.

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>tfw have played original metroid 2
>tfw haven't played AM2R
>tfw Metroid Samus Returns is coming out
Should I play AM2R now or after Samus Returns?

>>380999810
play both

>tfw sonybro all my life and can't participate in metroid threads
I am the guy who makes all these bloodboprne threads because it is our only good exclusive. Fuck me. I guess ill start with metroid 1 remake.

>tfw suddenly metroid threads everywhere

Is this what having hope is like?

>>380991224
>>380992876
>>380992887
>>380994070

I love you faggots.

>>380999526
>Thats because it gained a different one with more consistent movement and ledge grabs into walljumps.
They could just as easily keep the float and include ledge grabs.
Also, I don't know what you mean by "consistent" movement. Are you suggesting Super's movement is inconsistent? The only thing I can think that you might be talking about is wall jumps. However, wall jumps are consistent in Super, you only have to know the proper button sequence.
It's not back and jump at the same time. It's back THEN jump, in quick succession. Once you know this, then you will be able to perform wall jumps much more consistently. Because you're not button mashing any more.
Future games *casualized* wall jumps, by making them easier to perform. Allowing you to mash back and jump without precision.

I know what you mean with GBA's screen. But I still miss the floaty feeling.

>>380993756
Everyone thinks you are right just because you made a big post, but they are sheeps who can't think for themselves (just like reddit)

In your post you described Zero mission and fusion too

>>380999810
Play them both at once on dual monitors, multi-samus drifting

>>380996053
>They are suppose to be huge because they allow extreme temperatures, you need massive heat sinks/vents to manage lava dude.
OOOOOHHHH......................................

>>380999632
All of the areas on the map that are greyed out I couldn't reach because there's something stupid like an arrow block or a missile block that my missiles can't reach.

>>380999810
I'd say after. AM2R is made by fans for fans, so I doubt you'll ever see the same kind of take on the game from SR. If SR is great you get an amazing introduction to the remake while AM2R offers a different spin on it, and if it's shit you get to play the superior product later

>>380999810
Play it now. Samus Returns is proving to have a significantly altered map while AM2R stays closer to the original. It'll be a completely different experience.

>>380993756
>>380995015

Where can I subscribe to your newsletter.

>>381000113
I mean in terms of how easy it is for casuals to make a hard jump. Moes in ZM are stilted as fuck and you know exactly whats going to happen because theres little momentum or freedom. Those two things in super make it infinitely more skill based which is a good thing.
I was just saying they had to change it up for the tiny screen and SR will as well.

Hopefully when M5 is out 3ds will be done and it will be on switch for that console experience again.

>tfw no special edition to pre-order in Europe
>gamestop germany wants 60+ euros for it,67 dollars for the normal version of the game

>>380999761
that'd be cool

>tfw found some of the secret ways in fusion, but didn't get what they were for
>realized they had to be there to allow for an optimal route through all of the powerups
>decide to watch a 1:30 100% speedrun on youtube all the way through
>replay the game following along with a guide

Sure I didn't figure it out myself, but I did gain a new appreciation for the game.

why does nobody understand that metroid 2 is an awkward attempt at a horror game on game boy

>building up every metroid with the empty shell
>ambushing you with jump scare music
>most of the soundtrack is just weird ambient noises
>each loop into the world drags you farther and farther away from the surface

this is actual music for a substantial chunk of the game. no other metroid would dare to do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNx3euo6KcU

i'm not saying it worked all of the time (or even most of the time), but i was so disappointed when am2r just went directly for the zero mission style, and the new remake looks like it's doing the same

i mean, i really liked am2r, and i'm sure i'll play and love samus returns, but there's an opportunity here that keeps getting missed

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>>380999319

>>381000173
Did you turn the power on for the ceiling lifts thingies?

Theres a miniboss or something I though

>>380992126
The girl is Maya Bijou

There better be walljumping in Samus Returns.
I didn't see it at all during the treehouse stream

I cant find any fusion rom. Has nintendo taken them all down?
I mean come on I have it real, is it that bad if I have it as a ROM for my own personal use?

>>380997502
This is my answer to every faggot who thinks ZM/Fusion physics is better than Super physics.

>>381000574
NANIIIIIIIIIII

>>380991224
>Zero mission and fusion improved the movement so much
I've always preferred Super's movement, personally.

Knowing how slow and clunky Samus is when you play Super normally, it always feels immensely gratifying once you start wall-climbing, and when you get movement-enhancing abilities like the Space Jump and Speed Booster.

Moreover, it's just plain more satisfying to crash into shit when you feel like a tank in Super, as opposed to being light as a feather in ZM/Fusion

>Teleport Stations
Could it be? Might I finally be free of hearing lazy idiots whine incessantly about backtracking? Or will I have to endure an all new hell of "hardcore real gamers" bitching about the series being "casualized"?

>>381000637
not only is it there, it looks like it's actually required to get through some areas

which, that's fine with me; not having walljumps be an optional move was one of the few things other m did right

>>381000563
There are no ambushes in Metroid 2. And certainly no jump scare music.
AM2R on the other hand..
>that fucking gamma metroid that bursts outta the rock
I nearly had a heart attack

>>381000057
>AM2R varia suit isn't the ZM one, but the Super one rescaled to match the GBA sprites

Didn't notice

>>381000619
Sank you

>>381000637
Might be an upgrade or they are being cheeky on purpose and trying to pretend hide features until release like they love to do.

Any explanation as to why we dont have the legendary power suit from ZM in SR? I swear if you get blown up again.

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>>381000765
>all new hell of "hardcore real gamers" bitching about the series being "casualized"?

It has already begun.

Is 1.23 the latest ASMR2?

>>381000786
Book an appointment with your optometrist. All the AM2R sprites are edited Zero Mission sprites.

>>381000963
>ASMR2

>>381000765
Honestly M2 is the only metroid I think thats a reasonable addition.

The map was never designed to be interconnected, its descending deeper and deeper into a metroid pit and finding the hive.

>>381001002
Another Sexy metroid remake

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Best Ridley design. Do you think we'll get a game that takes place after Fusion?

>>381000942
Will this be the Twin Snakes of the Metroid series?

>>381001002
AM2R is coded in ASM. It's a joke.

>>381000705
It's even worse than you think. The particular drone that you need to jump onto to cross the pit never respawns after you see it for the first time.

>>381000995
nuh uh, check the shoulder lines on the varia suit, the bumps on the shoulder pauldrons the pointiness of the visor and the rounded knees

sure they're probably edited ZM sprites, they're edited to match the Super ones. I thought it was just a straight rip

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>>381000942
Is this foreplay?

>>381001085
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>381001085
>>381001282
SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>381000942
I like the perfect parries. Similar to the ones in Furi.

>>381000942
>this again

I could go on about why the counter isnt even that bad but I'm too lazy and enjoying the thread. Also easy mode on ZM you literally dont even need a counter, you just dont die because bosses do no damage so pick your poison, the whole games too easy or you get a counter to appeal to casuals that probably wont even be useful after halfway. Fuck I did it anyways.

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>>380993612
>Legally
Just go hack ur 3DS maen

>>381001085
>Best Ridley
Tiny wings, ugly color, more anorexic than that creepy skeleton-like girl, and too fucking easy to beat. If anything, it's on par with (if not worse than) Other M's Ridley.

>>381001378
>>381001282
Hey I'd be butt blasted too if I was delegated as the clone of a failed space pirate boss who kept being BTFO but a girl.

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>>381001179
Ah, I get you. The way you worded your post made it sound like you thought it was literally the Super Metroid sprite rescaled and touched up. They're absolutely edited Zero Mission sprites though.
But yeah, AM2R's style for Samus is a mix of Super/Zero Mission and Other M, but the sprites look more like Super/Zero Mission.

>>381001567
Please don't ruin this perfectly good thread.

>>381001085
>Do you think we'll get a game that takes place after Fusion?
Absolutely.

>>381001523
It's a perfect blend of the original Metroid Ridley and the later games. You got shit taste m8, but I respect your opinion.

Federation force should've been the post fusion game as you hunt her down and see the results of her actions.

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>>381001443
mamaaaaa oooooooooooh

>>381001085
>Do you think we'll get a game that takes place after Fusion?
We will.
But the GF subplot will be completely ignored.

>>381001378
Fuck this Ridley
Holy shit I playing with earbuds on and ran into this motherfucker for the first time
Jesus christ my ears were ringing after that first screech. I never scrambled so hard to yank off headphones in my life

>>381001831
I'd rather they save that for an actual good game. Plus, the cool Sylux cameo is neat.

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Has anyone here beaten Zero Mission without a guide?

>>381000057
I never noticed that the suit in Super already has the pauldrons from M2 even though its not the varia suit when you start.

You dont have the suit in SR though when you start so where did it go after ZM?

>>381002013
of course, don't the chozo statues make it easy enough?

>>381000942
It baffles me how the Melee Counter of all things became the go-to point of contention. Not the Aeon Moves, not the Teleport Stations, not even the 2.5D presentation... but being able to punch enemies is what's got everyone's tights all bunched up. Come on now.

>>381002013
I have. Its not like its hard to do, they give you plenty of in-game assistance already.

Is AM2R 1.23 the latest build or am I a scrub?

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>>381001831
>boss fight against Samus herself
>boss fight against GIANT Samus after getting hit with a growth ray
>it's a game of blast ball

I'll defend FedForce for being meh at worst and in the wrong place at the absolute worst time, but holy shit I will never not be mad.

>>381002101
Brings back bad memories of Other M.

>>381002032
What? Super has the fin things, just in a different style. The ball-pauldrons show up with the Varia, just like M2.

I had the opposite experience. First time through fusion he kicked my ass hard. On repeat playthroughs I annihilate him

>>381000942
>dem critical parries

We Onimusha 2 now

>>381000942
>>381002101
It's especially stupid because Nintendo went out of their way to make it clear that you didn't need to use any of the new casual features to finish the game.

>>381002013
I did

>>381002101
the melee move is fine. good, even
the Intense Cinematic Animations >>381000942 need to fuck off and die

>>381002101

Why's it so weird, did you watch the footage? Combat seems built around the parry. Every enemy I saw had a telegraphed charge attack. Same with the metroids. This is one of those cases where just ignoring it could be silly, as it looked like enemies take a lot of shots if you don't parry.

So is there really no US version of the white and orange 2ds xl? I've been wanting a new 3ds to replace my old one but I was hoping to get a white 2ds xl.

>>381002352

>Just don't use it!

For fucks sake stop going full fucking retard

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>>380998878
Been there done that doing it again
All on a phone
Pic related

>>381002720

>5:15
weak, even I got 2:30 on my first real 100% run

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>>381002456
Good thing you can cancel halfway through by not hitting the button a second time, right?

Honestly I'm just glad that Nintendo is finally acknowledging that Samus does indeed have superhuman strength. It's always been weird to me having an actual superhuman use nothing but guns.

>>380999810
Play it now. Shit's fantastic.

>>381002101
>Not the Aeon Moves
These bug me to no end. Why do they even exist?

Teleport stations are kind of good with M2 though if you actually know the game. 2.5d is a good thing as well but muh graffix fags wont give up on it till the end of time.

The parry is also fine if you understand how metroid games are designed.

This Metroid news put my in the mood for exploration games, so I decided to give La Mulana a try.
I'm having a blast, but now I've reached that point where I'm not sure where progress is.

>>381001831
Why do so many people want this generic "muh evil space government" story continued? Besides being cliche, the Federation would be retarded to make an enemy of the most competent bounty hunter in the universe.

>>381002851
She doesn't have superhuman strength. It's the Power Suit doing the work.

>>381002841
Proof nigga

>>381003097
Scan at least makes sense to have .

>>381003231
this

it was good once, but it opened an awful pandora's box

>>381003194
Have you been taking notes?


You should be taking notes.

>>381002536
Except you're unloading your normal ammo into them in the middle of the parry.
It's free shots rather than more damage.

>>381003237
Yeah she does. Or do you think jumping 20 feet without the suit isnt superhuman?

Chozo DNA dont mess around

>>381000057
I hate how ZM has a sprite of the power armor with the spherical pauldrons while Prime had the typical blade style power suit

What os the current version of AM2R?

Does anyone have any "unofficial" update links?

>>380998392
why did he have to go under the floor first?

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>>381003237
It's both, unless Samus doing single wall jumps and leaping 7 feet straight up in the Zero Suit is within normal human capabilities.

>>381003194
Just play Dead Cells instead

>>381002851
>Honestly I'm just glad that Nintendo is finally acknowledging that Samus does indeed have superhuman strength. It's always been weird to me having an actual superhuman use nothing but guns.
I just wish they did it in a different way than having her slam monsters all over the place like fucking Kratos.

It would've been cooler if maybe you came across a door that were locked or something, and you had to lift it up with your brute strength or something.

>>381003290
It would make more sense if it didn't permanently reveal the map.

>>381002851
I'm just glad that the games are finally introducing melee options. Much as I love the Prime series, the lack of any close range attack is just bullshit, especially when your opponents will often have melee attacks and lime to get up nice and close. Fuckin' pirates and their armblades. And it's the same shit in the 2D games until now, you had no answer to enemies getting too close other than to run away like a frightened little school girl. You got me playing as the baddest motherfucker in known space, and I'm just supposed to accept that she won't deck a monster in the face? Bullshit.

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>>381003331
Yeah, of all the this that sound like solutions for puzzles in other rooms.
I can't help but feel like I've missed something, though.

>>381003547
To show he didn't have high jump boots?

>>381003698
This is gay and youre gay for thinking this would be cool

>>381003773
I'm not the guy to ask, I didnt even get that far.

I just know its a hell of a ride

>>381003460
To be fair, you're not even supposed to see the Spherical Pauldron Power Suit. I think it's just a product of how they coded the game. Even with the debug code to toggle equipment, you were only supposed to be able to toggle beams.

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What is your favorite form of a Metroid? Any of them, even if it's just a picture from a manual or one of the freaky natural evolutions in II/Returns.

Phazon and Mochtroid are my favorites.

>>381000057
Fusion gravity suit is still the best

>>381003826
Would've been far more respectful to Samus' character and the atmosphere of the Metroid series rather than having Samus do all this CUHRAYZEE bullshit that just clashes with the series' traditional mood.

>>381003976
Omega will always be my favorite due to fusion

>>380991147
I had a lot of trouble with him the first time I played it, but I beat him on the first try pretty easily when I replayed it recently.

Nightmare still got me once though.

>>381000057
AM2R Varia suit best suit, especially with the green morph ball trail

>>380991147
Which Metroid had the best atmosphere?

>>381001982

TELL ME ABOUT SYLUX

WHY DOES HE HATE THE FEDERATION?

>>381004320
Super, Fusion and the Prime Trilogy are all top contenders.

>>381003387

Are you sure? There were moments when the girl shot enemies without parrying them and they seemed to die slower. If it doesn't do extra damage, that's worse, because that means the only reason to do it is to get the little animation. I just don't get the point of a mechanic that doesn't actually add anything.

>>381003976
Digging Zetas at the moment, since they just straight up look like Xenomorphs now. Wear your influences on your sleeve, I say.

... Within reason of course, lest we repeat the mistakes of Yooka-Laylee.

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>>381003976
Probably the Omega Metroid.

I just wish we'd get these things in a fully 3D Metroid game for once.

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>>381003976
Omega or pic related.

>>381004320
I would say Prime 1 is the best of the best in terms of atmosphere. Atmosphere is one of the strongest points of the series in general though, they're all pretty good.

>>381004449
We got the queen in 3D before. It was in Other M, and nobody liked it.

>>381001085
>Do you think we'll get a game that takes place after Fusion?

If you had asked me two weeks ago, I would have said no way. Now I say it's a guarantee we'll get one before 2020, and maybe it will have functionality with Prime 4 the way Fusion and Prime 1 did.

>>381004479
Yeah, it's tougher to find the games which don't have a good atmosphere.

>>381004512
Is Other M worth playing for the lmaos or is it too painful

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>tfw would buy any sort of content/dlc/whatever the fuck if it allowed for customizing suits in SR or Prime 4
>shell out big bucks to see the Echoes/Corruption Varia suit with the Phazon Suit color scheme

I want it to happen, but at the same time, it shouldn't happen.

>never played Prime 3, got the collection just for the sake of it
>playing the original Prime with the new controls

Jesus this takes some getting used to. I've cheesed Prime 1 so many times that I know the game like the back of my hand, but this is just funky. Also, why did they change the Chozo Lore entries?

>>381004678
it's not terribly funny. It is playable though. Might be worth the time, at least, if you pirate it.

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>>381001883
Damn I wish I got a xl, I can't use this one comfortably for a longer play session and it's especially bad laying down.

>>381004512
I know. I played it and it was complete shit.

I remember thinking it was pretty cool that it was actually in the game, but still disappointed since it was in THAT game. And even worse, it didn't even look like it could've been a living, breathing creature like bosses and enemies did in the Prime series. It looked way too artificial. It wasn't animated very well. I hated that about Other M in general.

>>381004678
It wasn't even 'so bad, it's good,' tier. Bad game in all areas.

>>381004512
The queen and secret were the only redeemable parts of the game to me.

One was a cool set piece and phantoon was fun as fuck to fight if you got really good with the controls.

>>381004678
Maybe once if you are that bored but get ready for a cinematic story of a game and to miss one missile right in the beginning.

Whats odd is that after you finish the story the entire map is finally open to you so you can get all the items, at that point theres no cinematics, no dialogue. Just you and a space station and whatever you missed the first time through.

Makes me want to do a minimal speed run through and then play it like a normal game at the end, too bad all the bosses would be dead.

>>381004512
I hated the queen metroid because I hated having to switch between third and first person to shoot the metroids

>>381004785
Been wanting a Metroid game with actual alternate costumes/skins for awhile now. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I'm a huge cosmeticsfag so I'd probably pay for that shit too.

>>380998878
I played zero mission on hard with my phone, and Ridley was fucking hard

>>381004678
I wouldn't call it painful, but it's just bad, and you'll just be putting hours into a game that won't satisfy you in any way.

>>381004678
Gameplay is... unique I guess? I'd say no since gameplay would be carrying the game but it's not particularly great given how automated most of it is and how clunky the remainder is.

I heard Retro ain't doing Prime 4. What they're up to then?

>>381004457
>dat HD screenshot
Y'know what? Despite being like 15 years old, the first Prime still looks pretty good. Sure, it's got some wrinkles here and there, but I'd say it's aged rather gracefully.

>>381003387
With mooks, for a short period of time after a successful parry, your shots will deal critical damage, usually enough to take them out in one shot. If you don't shoot, they'll just enter a stunned state and take normal damage again.
They emphasized this during the Treehouse streams.

>>381004938
>Whats odd is that after you finish the story the entire map is finally open to you so you can get all the items, at that point theres no cinematics, no dialogue. Just you and a space station and whatever you missed the first time through.

Why hasnt anyone just hacked it and made a version with an unlocked map, living bosses, and no cutscenes?

>>381005105
Nobody knows. I was sure we would see their mystery project at E3 this year, but I guess not.

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>>381003976
I love this art of the hunter metroids

>>381005220
They hate it too much probably.

>>380991147
Is think Fusion is one of the weakest titles in the series, but I respect your opinion if you disagree with me.

>>381005220

Someone tried (is trying?) that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Iht5RjKvE

>>381004449
dinosuar metroids best metroids
I'm glad AM2R went that route.

>>381004457
Man I really fucking dig the phazon suit

>>381004449
Do you have a higher res version of that pic?

>>380991387
My oldest friend whom I've known since we were three is as big a Metroid fan as I am, maybe even bigger.

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>>380991387
My best friend in high school was a huge Metroid fan (as was I) so we would talk about the games very often, and lend them to eachother.
He's the only Metroid fan I know of IRL though, never met anyone else that liked Metroid.

>>381005385
I don't think one exists.

>>381005320
Why did you post a fusion video?

>>381005537
I misunderstood the topic of the conversation, sorry. The post I replied to looked like it was talking about Fusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-x7j5RyGc
God I can't wait for X-Fusion to be finished.

>>381005282
See this is the kind of forms Metroids should form into. The bizarre reptilian things make no sense

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>>381004373
In the first treehouse demo, the girl playing mentioned that if you shoot after doing a counter, you get a "critical hit." It's unclear what it actually means but it seems to deal more damage. In any case, I would think the point of the melee counter is to be able to play defensively. In every Metroid thus far, Samus has relied on dodging as a means of avoiding damage, and now she's gained the ability to straight up block attacks, which is probably a good thing for someone in ARMOR to have.

In the same demo, it was also mentioned that the counter ends with Samus automatically aiming at the enemy, but she specifically DOES NOT fire automatically. The player has to hit the shoot button to actually continue the "full" counter. It hasn't been explicitly said yet, but from watching multiple demos this also seems to apply to bosses, including Metroids. Watch a few, and you'll notice that there are varying times between when the melee attack connects and when the animation begins. Plus, you'll see that during the animation Samus will fire missiles at different times when played by different people. This indicates to me that the player has control over not only when and what ammo Samus fires, but when to use the full animation at all. You should be perfectly capable of countering the boss' charge without then playing the whole "takedown" sequence.

So even in the critics worst case scenario of the counter being required in at least one boss, you should still be able to get away with only using the parry move.

>>381005006
It'd be cool, but I would want the suits to be functional. At the same time, I have no idea what those functions would be. Like, the hell would the Dark and Light suits do outside of Aether?

>>381004804
Trilogy uses the PAL versions, which have slightly altered text for some entries.

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>>381005875
>Sammy will never ride you like a rodeo bull
End me

>>381005878
Didn't they change the order of lore into correct order in the trilogy?