>persona is literally bankrupting Atlus
HOW DO WE STOP THEM SMTBROS THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME.
http://gamebiz.jp/?p=186970
persona 5 sold 2million fuck off
Jack bros 2
>>380960985
Their fiscal year ended in March, Persona 5 went worldwide in April. If anything Persona is what will keep Atlus afloat for Hashino's next project, since I doubt SMT 5 will sell well on the switch
>>380961232
And was in full development for 6 years, with a much larger dev team than most of their other games that are made with a fraction of that budget and time.
>>380960985
Nigga it's the same fucking franchise why do you have to exclude persona from your repertoire if you already like SMT? There's literally no reason for there to be a rivalry.
do the same thing they did when Nocturne was literally bankrupting them and reuse as many assets as possible for a dozen new games
>>380961669
>persona is SMT meme
>>380962067
'franchise' is more broad than 'series'
>>380961669
SMT at least tries to be a game instead of a visual novel
>>380960985
PERSONA 5 DANCING ALL NIGHT
RAIDOU 3 FEATURING DANTE FUCKING WHEN?
An entire game of Pyro Jack Puzzle Boy.
When will Atlus ever port any of the older SMT games to PC? Or any of them at all?
I never played a SMT/Persona before.
What is the best release order to play them?
>>380961580
>This is what Nocturne babbies actually believe
The Sony era was a mistake.
>>380960985
Is that the reason why they finally thought about bringing Persona 5 to PC?
>>380963304
But the phantom thief half of P5 is really solid and is something that should please SMT fans, it's really good.
>>380960985
Serves them right. Thats what happens when you dont make a switch release
>>380964820
here you are anon
please don't let /v/ make you choose a side
both persona and SMT are great
>>380965108
>try the game out
>the first 3 hours are just dialogs and cutscenes
>drop it and play smt on the snes instead
>>380965738
My nogga
II has the best fusion mechanics in the series
>>380965108
It's piss fucking easy with how broken some of the confidants are
>>380965738
well if that's the case then I guess you really wouldn't like it then, the railroad tutorial ends 6 and a half hours in.
Well of course they would take a loss because they just opened a new studio. Lease and equipment has to be paid, I believe their forecast were higher last year when their switch dev kits but they managed to lower it. Also NA sales haven't been accounted for.
Jaysus fucking Christ, No wonder the fags at /biz/ thinks you guys a bunch of retards
>>380960985
WE CAN'T
>>380964820
>>380965669
>this chart
reddit tier. The only acceptable order other than straight release order if you've never played DRPG's before is to play SMT 1 and 2 before MT, otherwise you have no excuse except plebianism to not play them in the order they came out.
>>380966621
>shut in nerds, neets and drones that fight for corporate
I think it's safe to say nobody here's gonna be splitting the atom, my man.
>>380961232
>barely sells more than the first game in the series that the entire development team keeps pretending didn't exist
Impressive.
>>380965108
>But the phantom thief half of P5 is really solid
Except the joke of a team was hardly anything like real thieves and nobody took that shit seriously since they were a bunch of kids
>>380969659
Everyone should ignore this elitist faggot.
>>380970145
>bunch of kids
>Only one SMT protag was an adult and the other was a manchild, the rest where all teens
Do smtfags even pay attention to their games.
well sega has shown that there is a probability of them porting Persona & Yakuza on PC so.. they won't be bankrupt anymore if it happens.
>>380969940
>that artwork
how did old Persona look so bland
>>380969940
>pretending didn't exist
Some personal personas in P1 becomes common demon later on though
>>380969659
That would be so offputting. I like SMT1, but it's not a good place to start and the game would try the patience of a lot of people unless they're already invested in the series.
>>380970991
That's the manga adaptation
>>380970991
Because it was made before you were born.
>>380971156
Persona 1 came out a year before I was born
>>380961782
I unironically hope for this, continue all the classic Ps2 smt spinoffs with recycled P5 assets
Throw in Catherine 2 while they're at it
>>380971213
So what you're saying is that I was right?
>>380970656
no u
>>380971048
It's an entry level RPG in general, aside from demons being terrible and your allies leaving you it doesn't have nearly as many obstacles in your path as other dungeon games.
>>380971383
What age are you?
leave saving atlus to me
>>380971484
>poor man's Dagda
>saving anything
>>380971402
It's not hard, but the landmarkless dungeons, tedious but far too simple combat, awful maps and the absurd encounter rate would be very offputting for a newcomer to the series, especially considering they wouldn't even know about Estoma because SMT1 doesn't give you skill descriptions and Estoma makes the whole game go a lot smoother.
>>380971484
COMPLETE
COMPANY
SALVATION
>>380970991
It's just fanart, but I like the style, even if it's just nostalgia.
>>380971624
>no bells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XZzTq_gzI
>>380970991
>implying
>>380962067
Both SMT and Person are Megaten.
SMT depending on your autistic definitions can refer to the general games outside of Persona, including stuff like Devil Survivor, DDS or Devil Summoner.
Or it just refers to games in the same continuity as SMT1, The ones that follow that initial story, SMT1, SMT2, SMT3, and SMT4.
>>380971748
Now this is good design. Soejima should go back to his older style.
>>380971787
Persona*
Fuck.
>>380971787
>Megami Ibunroku
>a Megami Tensei Game
Go to sleep Tad.
>>380970706
Are you stupid as fuck? Like really stupid? How the fuck does anything of what i said got to do with the SMT protags?
mainline SMT focuses on gameplay more than story so i don't gotta have 50 hours of my time watching cutscenes of kids do fuck all
DDS2 is the worst sequel in any atlus game
>>380971947
That's Kaneko m8. Soejima takes over from P3 onwards
>>380971787
What about Megami Tensei/KMT
>>380961782
>Raidou or devil summoner will return
>expanded P5 rerelease
>all those new spinoffs in your lifetime
wtf i love bankruptcy now
>>380971981
It's a spinoff of Megami Tensei.
Even in the title, Megami Ibunroku.
Ibunroku means something like Legends, or Tales.
Basically it's a Gaiden tale. A side story.
Don't do this bullshit m8.
>>380971986
Persona stopped being about story a long time ago, the reason it's so bad is because it started stretching out an 8 hours max story into 80 hour games so actually playing them feels tedious.
>>380960985
Make them stop sucking Sony cock and release games on multiple systems.
Rerelease Persona 4 on modern systems and live off merchandise.
Milk mainline SMT fans out of their money with low cost 3DS games.
Port Kowashitai to Switch.
>>380971986
>50 hours of my time watching cutscenes
Haven't played IV, but this was my main gripe with SJ
If I wanted to sit through endless fucking dialogue I'd play Persona
>>380972251
Expanded story was a mistake
>>380972102
fuck, I know shit all when it comes to old SMT. I do know Kaneko made pic related though.
>>380972137
Don't sell yourself short, Tadashi. Persona is a big boy game all on it's own, and it's better than most of that silly Megami Tensei series. You even got to work with your best buddy Kaneko to get your self insert and your waifu into the game. Be happy.
>>380960985
Making Studio Zero cost a lot of money.
>>380960985
I guess you could consider it an "investment" if they use its engine/assets to make a bunch more games that need much smaller budgets.
>>380964868
The Sony era was undoubtedly the best era.
>>380972442
Minus P3 and P4, almost all of MegaTen prior to 2007 was done by Kaneko.
Then he disappeared. To this day we might never know what happened to him.
>>380972660
He still works with Atlus, he was one of the art directors for SMT IV. He just doesn't do character designs anymore.
>>380960985
That's why they put SMT V on the Switch where the real money at.
>>380972660
He did designs for Desu
>>380972660
He's in the flower field
>>380972251
>SJ
>mainline
>>380972747
>He just doesn't do character designs anymore.
Sure bud
>>380972901
You know what I mean.
>>380972464
>waifu based off of chick everyone liked
>who was a playable character in an older work
Lucky bastard
>>380972808
DeSu 1 and SJ were his last works as director/designer, right
>>380972996
Always wonder why this thing didn't show up in SMTIV:A. Did Doi just give up on salvaging it?
whens p5 crimson for my vita
>>380972660
>To this day we might never know what happened to him.
Didn't the Yakuza get him?
>>380972996
That's a guest design. Same guy that design Minotaur
Then there's Doi who started with IV Apocalypse
>>380973152
Didn't he do stuff on one of the P2 duology?
>>380972996
#fuckatlus
But shit man I hope he'll return someday
>we will never see Tatsuya again
>>380973221
Doi drew over Kaneko's portraits in one of the versions of P2. Then I'm pretty sure Soejima drew over the portraits in another version.
>>380973221
He do character artwork and portraits, then character design with IV and then demon design with IV:A
>>380973309
Oh come on, Yasuda isn't that bad.
>>380973303
>the man that gets cucked by himself
>>380973387
He's the shadman of smt games
>>380973463
He's man enough he cucked himself*
>>380973309
someone should redo the Yasuda one.
>>380973387
He's worse. Each foot should at least be rotated 90 degrees inwards.
>>380973303
What if we start some rumors?I hear Tatsuya will return in P6 as the master of the Velvet Room!
>>380973472
Now that's going too far.
Shadman's stuff is unbearably ugly.
At the very least, some of Yasuda's designs are cute or appealing.
>>380973598
>Eikichi as his attendant
>getting Eikichi's SL to 10 makes him sing for you with Tatsuya playing the guitar
never ever ;_;
>>380973472
>comparing anyone to shadman
That's worse that pissing on some dudes work. Maybe not, you could be compared to Shmorky.
>>380973598
Protag of P6 is the son of Igor
>>380973275
He's my favorite neo-SMT design, at the very least it's more memorable than most characters.
Leave it to me senpai!
>>380972251
What? There's not nearly that much cutscenes in SJ.
>>380973771
Not so fast, Persona.
>>380973829
>Cosmo Yuki became proto-Serph
Thanks Kaneko
>>380973771
*snrks at yu*
>>380973771
I hate Nukiko
>>380974118
*throws you into the tv*
>SMTDAN never
>>380972251
>but this was my main gripe with SJ
SJ isn't really cuscene heavy, both SMTII and Nocturne had way more cutscene than SJ.
The only long cutscenes in SJ that I can remember were most Zelenin's sections, the parts where Jimenez awakes and Gore's cutscene when he returns to the ship before the route selection in the finale, which ends up being more of a prompt for alignments than a true cutscene anyway.
All the rest was standard SMT cutscene length.
Wonder what redux will add though, I at least hope they'll fix Law route by not having just Mem Aleph as a boss since Neutral has it already, unless you count Soil as part of the "final boss" battle.
>>380973309
>>380973387
I still don't get how he dropped the ball so hard with SMT when he did pretty good with Durarara
>>380971787
this.
Fuck all the faggots who draw the line between the games they like and the games they don't.
>>380974404
They look pretty much the same
It's probably because DRRR doesn't have 20 years of Kaneko to compare to
>>380974513
It's really just butthurt Nocture babbies.
They're a bunch of edgelords who love Chaosfag shit on their games
Let's talk about how overrated this piece of shit is.
>difficulty is purely artificial
>music is nonsensical garbage
>characters are poorly fleshed out to the point of being the characters
>story is bland pseudointellectual garbage that doesn't explain shit
>Dante is tacked on and is nowhere near as strong as he should be
>MC wears fucking capris
Tell me how this game is better than persona 3-5. 5 especially blows it out the water on all fronts.
>>380972065
You get the fuck out of here with that garbage.
DDS2 had more refined mechanics than the first, the story had incredible heart, plus the Mantra system was better utilized than in the first.
Plus Solar Noise freak outs. That was tense shit.
>>380974546
Maybe.
Admittedly I have a bias because I like the color work in Durarara a lot, too.
>>380974808
You can use 3 demons you fused yourself in Nocturne. In Persona 3-5 you can only use one.
>>380974397
>fix Law route by not having just Mem Aleph as a boss
Just add Lucifer as a final boss for the law route.
>>380974808
>Better combat
>Better atmosphere
>Better dungeons, especially compared to 3+4
Only game I could see an argument for being better than Nocturne is P5, and that has over thirteen years over Nocturne.
>>380974959
Has any SMT protagonist ever defeated Lucifer? You fight him in 3 and Raidou 2 but those are just test fights and the fights in IV/IV:A aren't with the real Lucifer, as I recall.
>>380974808
I like the gameplay and atmosphere. What I hate about it is that towards the end of the game some of the dungeons just go on and on. It was pure padding.
>>380972065
>>380974882
Both games were shit
>le stomachache simulators
>>380974808
>>difficulty is purely artificial
Can you give me an example?
>>music is nonsensical garbage
What? The music ties in with the atmosphere of most the places you explore.
>>characters are poorly fleshed out to the point of being the characters
True.
>>story is bland pseudointellectual garbage that doesn't explain shit
There's nothing to explain. The world ended go explore the apocalyptic world.
>>Dante is tacked on and is nowhere near as strong as he should be
Dante is pretty strong in game, only lacking Pierce to be truly the best.
>>MC wears fucking capris
What does this have to do with the game?
>>380975248
They weren't shit, but they are far from my favorite MT games.
>>380974970
>>380975230
>atmosphere meme
That is not a valid excuse for why nocturne is better.
>>380975181
The Lucifer in IV/IV:A are pretty damn real, they're just that universe's Lucifer. Also Aleph in SMT2.
>>380971748
that should've been a persona for P5.
>>380974882
Nah dawg.
Dungeons in DDS2 are 10 times more garbage and are just go there turn switch on and move elsewhere.
Mantra system is even more complicated trying to follow a specific flow if skills and isn't streamlined like it use to be.
Literally 0 grind areas like titania hallway so just becomes a slog trying to get the best skills quickly.
And worst of all constant members leaving throughout the game.
But yeah i fucking hate how shit the dungeons are
>>380972996
>>380973759
I hope we get more demons based off of Urban myths/American mythology
>>380974291
Adachi dabbing makes sense though. Just imagine he has finished throwing someone into a tv screen.
Not even into the shadow world, literally just head first into a tv screen.
>>380974808
>5 especially blows it out the water on all fronts.
>>380975517
>implying American mythos has anything going for it.
Stop posting, Mothman. You aren't even a good demon.
>>380975323
>example
On hard mode if enemy gets a lucky attack from behind you get wiped. If MC gets charmed your whole party gets wiped. Demon negotiations is pure luck based. Reason isn't explained at all and you can get shit endings without guides. I can go on and on
>>380975434
It's not the only reason, though. The atmosphere is simply better (except for maybe P3)
>>380975517
Devil summoner and soul hackers have a shit ton
>>380974959
Yeah, or at least give Jimenez another form, if Zelenin is the final boss of the chaos route why is Mem Aleph law's final boss when there's Jimenez?
Female Lucifer wouldn't be too bad though, wonder what they'll do with Nukiko too, an extra route is guaranteed at this point but who knows what will happen in there.
>>380975323
>Can you give me an example?
The one with shadow clones
>>380975681
fag
>>380975517
>American mythology
Maybe ask some Indians on their mythology.
Oh wait, you can't.
>>380975681
>hating Mothman
Wow fucking rude
>>380975813
You mean Native Americans you stupid yuropoor
>>380975517
Some demons are already based off of Urban myths, though.
Alice is simultaneously based off of Alice In Wonderland and a myth about a dead Aryan girl that haunts you
>>380960985
post english sources weeb fag
>>380975624
>games are bad just because I don't feel intelligent when I play them
>>380960985
>Persona is literally making so much money they borrowed money a quarter early to build an entire third dev team
fixed that for you.
>>380975872
Blame Columbus calling them like that.
When you ask why games get released befor they are finished, like Mass Effect Andromeda, it's usually to make a certain fiscal quarter to hide losses like this. P5 needed to be a worldwide release in March 2017, so did EOV but that wasn't even close to happening.
>tfw I'm one of the few people who like sword fusion
Fuck. What is it in so few games?
>>380975819
Mothman is shit, mate. He is only good for compendium completion.
Get a real demon like Slime, faggot.
>>380975707
>On hard mode if enemy gets a lucky attack from behind you get wiped
You can prevent this with Mind's Eye or raising your Luck stat I believe. Most of the times I was ambushed I didn't get wiped because I don't run around with a shit of of weaknesses.
>If MC gets charmed your whole party gets wiped.
Just heal your demons?
>Demon negotiations is pure luck based
This is true, won't argue against that.
>>380975770
That's pretty clever fight though. I believe a NPC gives you a hint about it around where you fight him.
>>380975181
>thought it's a top's POV sitting on Demi-fiend with his thick dick ready for sucking
>>380975985
Yes.
A game that still handholds you in the last dungeon of the fucking game is highly insulting
>>380976024
thank god atlus is only a small portion of sega's overall business then?
>>380976030
Sword Fusion was great from a story perspective. The Hero was the baddest motherfucker outside of Demi-fiend just because the only thing he was bringing to the fight was a magic sword and his own mad skills.
It's just a shame his friends were such faggots. Chaos Hero was just needless and while I could respect his dedication towards his philosophy, he was still retarded.
Law Hero on the other hand dies like a fucking rookie and still somehow manages to end up in Heaven.
>>380976030
>mostly demons and recipes you don't know much on or how it works in, requirements like swords or demons SMT1&2
>can buy and call it a day
Least itemise exists in P5
>>380976121
ram ranch POV
>>380960985
Bring Persona 5 to Xbone, Switch and PC.
>>380976053
Nah, you know how big the tunnels were, expecting the player to have explored every inch to find a single npc to give the player a hint of the bosses attacks is ridiculous, they could have easily missed it unless he was right outside the room.
>>380976136
I'm very sorry that things like this can make you that insecure. Have you tried other hobbies?
>>380976136
>waifu circlejerking
100% true, just look at P5 threads, Makotoposting everywhere.
>people still think Persona has good waifus
>When this is what Yukari and Sadayo think of you
https://youtu.be/NPTIUxbgIBE
>>380976315
>Xbone, Switch
not happening
>PC
maybe happening. buy more copies of bayonetta and vanquish.
>>380976197
>law hero saves your ass from getting raped in demon prison
>saves you from getting outright permakilled by Nebiros and thus dooming the world
>despite being law he stayed with you until death
>helped you at the fork after death
>just wanted to save his girl
>only becomes a chump when he gets unwittingly brainwashed when given a second chance at life
>rookie
Huh?
>>380975624
>intelligence
>when the alignments are pretty much everyone calling you a brainless puppy
>>380976548
DIED like a Rookie. I respect the Law Hero, I'm just saying that dying while shitting on God and then still getting into Heaven sorta smacks of some form of irony.
Had our boy spent more of his time training them maybe he wouldn't have gotten his shit pushed in and we'd be able to have a better world.
>>380976443
That dub was some next level shit. I love it when they know they're dubbing something questionable so they go all in.
>>380976782
Wait when did he shit on god again? I forget. He was sympathetic to the Messians.
But I don't see how it was a rookie death, guy got his soul ripped out.
>>380976443
Beat the shit out of the little cocksucker
>>380974808
persona is for barinlets
>>380961609
>for 6 years
nope, P5 is not older than 2012
TAKASHI KIDO
>>380976038
Sure, just let me get aBONELESS SLIME and a 2L of Life Stone
>>380976197
Chaos hero was a fucking fag
>wuh, pls sabe me Hero
>wew, smell ya later guys, you're just holding me back now haha
>there will never be another Persona game where every party member can change personas, because muh self-insert mc
>>380976443
>Using english dub ever
smtfags are irrelevant. They only play smt because they pirate them.
>>380976197
Chaos Hero was a fucking retard. He complains about being weak, meanwhile he can just set everything on fire with his magic and he's armed to the teeth with weapons. He also spent about an hour in the post-apocalypse and he had already decided to fuse himself with a demon. You'd think he would give the idea of fusing with a demon more thought than none at all.
>>380979061
DELET
>>380977294
>barinlents
>>380979061
>muh grafix
>>380979061You are actually right.Damn.
>>380979339
>i know what are you trying to say but i'll correct you anyway
sasuga barnlet
>>380979375
>muh nakamas
>>380979519
at least you can kill them
>>380975681
Jersey Devil is based.
Also 80's slasher/thriller movie shit would be awesome if the games started including stuff like that.
Don't pretend you wouldn't want a Michael Meyers, Freddy, Jason, or Cenobite persona/demon.
>>380964054
Featuring Dante Featuring Demi-fiend
>>380979061
>awful over designed interface
>reused textures over and over it might as well be a dungeon from SMT 1-2
And the biggest fault
>bad gameplay
SMT has amazing stylized graphics though, it manages to look distinct in every game. Persona has gotten more washed out in every entry.
......
next game will be about hacking coinbase to save fatlus from bankruptcy
>>380964054
You'll never even get Raidou 3, nevermind Raidou 3 featuring Dante.
>>380979646
>Awful over designed interface
How?
>>380979519
>Implying that anyone liked this scene
>>380965738
>start the game friday afternoon
>on sunday evening I'm clocking 32,5 hours
>finish at 152 hours
>have to force myself not to start ng+ immediately
>best game?
>best game.
>>380979673
>have the ability to make your servant look like anything you want
>make him a midget skeleton with a giant nose
What was Philemon intending to get across by doing this?
>>380979673
>Hit him
>>380976136
i know that image is bait but what do SMT fags think of persona 1 and 2?
>>380979061
But I buy them.
SMT featuring Bayonetta from the Bayonetta series fucking WHEN
Never have two series been so perfect for one another
>>380960985
Guys, I'm european, what's the best way to play RAIDOU 2?
>>380979928
They're generally liked, while Persona fans generally hate them.
>>380973303
Being Tatsuya is truly suffering.
>>380979646
>awful over designed interface
Ahh so it's true smtfags can't read. That's why they love auto-battle. SMT IV and Final were a joke.
>>380977169
Akito did literally nothing wrong. Stop bullying him.
>>380979928
they're alright
>>380980142
Persona 1 isn't really liked
P2 is liked for the story & characters but about everyone agrees the gameplay is sleep inducing shit
>>380979780
It looks shiny and cool at first, but gets old after awhile because the flashy graphics just become an eyesore when your trying to finish combat as quickly as possible. There are plenty of GUI that are simple and still visually appealing and easy on the eyes after prolonged use.
>>380979928
I think it's usually agreed that it has the worst gameplay in the entirety of MegaTen but simultaneously the best plot
>>380980107
hacked ps2 or emulation
>>380980228
I liked the gameplay from the PSP version of Persona 2 since the UI was made much more clear
>>380979941
>no SMT IV copy
>>380980234
Well that never happened to me. And I don't see how a simple GUI can not also get tiring to the eyes.
>>380960985
Atlus will make the money back when they recycle all the expensive Persona assets to make spinoffs and SMT games for the next decade, just like with Nocturne.
>>380980178
He let the demons out.
>>380980338
It's in the picture on Apoc, but I don't have a box for it sadly.
>>380980167
Nocturne is the only worthwhile smt game. Fuck that encounter rate tho'
>>380980338
who's this fine gentleman
>>380980414
He did it for love.
>>380979646
>talks shit on the basic battle area that is always in a JRPG in combat and isn't uncommon with Megaten as a whole
>mainline and a lot of the series has been reusing assets on demons from Debi Sama and mostly downscales portraits for sprites in cases like alignment bosses or the heroes in the messiah dlc
>style when he posts generic blade runner inspired building
I mean come on, they all have good and bad things about their style and you're taking a shitpost image seriously.
>>380979778
pls no
>>380980167
Hey, when you keep making the same game and they just keep on praising it, there's not much you can do. All the games boil down to:
>be a beta faggot to some god/angel
>be lucifer's cocksleeve
>actually have some balls and do the route that matters
Is it true that there were people complaining that Persona Q doesn't have social links and that it's too hard?
>>380979061
>Five times the resolution
>Still manages to have an uglier, less clear UI
>>380980628
You false flagging son of a bitch.
>>380972163
literally what? im playing P4G for the story alone, the characters are just too good
>>380960985
guess that explains why sega wants a PC port.
>>380980338
BUY MY GAME
>>380980628
>>380980167
>Persona 5
>R1 R1 X the game
At least autobattler goes faster
>>380976136
>Welcome newcomers with suggestions of games they should try and stories of their own experience
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PERSONA IS SHIIIIIIIT"
>>380979151
>first playthrough of SMT1
>CH wants to fuse with a demon
>take him to the place to fuse
>he scrolls through the list of demons I got
>he picks the Suicide Squad guy I just happen to have with me to fuse with
>mfw
I fucking love this game.
Guys help I'm playing nocturne and I'm now stuck at matador. What do?
I can never play 4 or final because of the le dq1 static images for battle. If nocturne and the handheld persona games can have 3d models and actual attack animations 4 and apocalypse could have as well.
>>380981048
git gud
>>380965669
>I still haven't finished lucifer's call
What's the COMFIEST turn-based JRPG I can get my hands on right now?
I've got a PS4, a Switch, and a fuggin' laptop
>>380981048
Use this cutie.
>>380981058
I too love watching the same 5 canned animations for 100 hours.
>>380960985
persona is literally the only thing making money
no one buys smt shit
>>380981048
Just keep attacking, don't even bother with buffs or debuffs.
>>380980938
>fuse with human
>level break
The mad man, fucker jumped up to lv 30
>took my lilim instead
What a fag.
>>380981058
>atlus wasting time making new models for hand help when they can just reuse assets and call it a day
When they have more money sure. Two of the bosses in 4A were 3D ala EO sure but they ain't remaking all those hundreds of demons they already got Sprite work on.
new thread >>380981176
>>380981048
use buffs, equip magatama that nulls wind and bring demons that null wind
>>380981048
Sukukaja and media are your best friend.
>>380980938
Fucker fused with my Lilim.
I just can't bring myself to play Raidou any further.
The gameplay feels dated as fuck.
Why do SMTfags and Persona fags have to be so divided? Assuming you like one you should probably be fond of the other.
>>380981583
until Persona 5 Persona gameplay has been too dumbed down for SMTniggers to enjoy
>>380960985
Maybe don't spend 10 years making one game next time.
>>380981342
>>380981412
>lilim
My condolences, Lilim was the mvp of my team for the longest time in Smt1
Asked this yesterday but was hoping I can maybe get a more specific answer.
Been playing my first SMT, soul hackers, and not liking it as much as I thought I would. I enjoy the dungeon crawling but not really into the story or characters much. Are the other SMT games considered to have better plots? I have heard that nocturne's plot is pretty minimalist and more about reading it, is this true? I think I may preffer that as I can focus on the dungeon crawling.
The best Persona was3
>>380981650
Okay but that's changed now so why still the rivalry?
>>380981681
Nocturne has a more minimalist story, yes.
>>380961609
So much wrong all in one place
>P5 didn't start until after P4G was finished
>was not even on paper midway through 2011 let alone in pre-production
>Had big issues with staff members leaving to work on other games to make the company money while it moved along slowly with a much smaller group
>was nearly cancelled over this
>was not announced until it was certain that it would actually get released shortly after the SEGA acquisition
>still got the game out in 4 years
>>380981767
Dunno I don't care too much for le japanese high school bollocks but I can enjoy the dungeon crawling finally.
>>380981650
>until Persona 5
>implying Persona 5 is an improvement
It's mostly just Nocturnefags who hate anything that isn't edgy and named Nocturne, though.
>>380981680
>tfw don't remember mine
Momonfuu? Nandi? Anyone with buff or Mediaharan?
>>380981767
IV: Apocalypse was basically written by people who wanted to write Persona but Atlus wouldn't let them. With DSJ having Yukiko as a new character, people are pissed that SMT is slowly becoming more Persona esque.
>>380981430
Raidou's poor gameplay has nothing to do with when it came out, it was shallow and fairly brewing then and it's shallow and fairly boring now, but everything that's not the combat is excellent
>>380981583
I love them both. It's just a matter of two types of people who can't stand each other being in the same room.
SMTfags are those who purely focus on the gameplay and desire challenge.
Personafags are invested more into the story and characters.
Also what >>380981650 said. Persona 3 and 4 dumbed down the gameplay which SMTfags didn't like. Now it's just a matter of shitposting.
>>380981902
it absolutely is, all Persona games before 5 had complete shit for gameplay.
>>380981583
I hate social links and would rather dungeon crawl the whole game. But then the dungeons are shit in 3/4 at least. SLs in P5 actually do stuff instead of just exp so that's a step in the right direction but the dungeons are so damn handholdy that it sucks the fun out of them.
Also I doubt the """"""SMTfags""""""" have barely played that many and probably Nocturnefags or some stupid shit.
>>380981934
It's becoming more P4 esque, which is the real problem. It's like the only people left at Atlus that still give a flying fuck about P4 were all moved over to division 1
Asahi and Toki are clearly for waifufags, but is Hallelujah fujobait? Dude is kinda creeping me out with his touchy feely crap.
>>380981583
Smtfags feel like persona is dumbed down shit for casual shitters ruining muh franchise by introducing casualshit mechanics athat slowly seep into mainline
Personafags have an inferiority complex can't reconcile with being casual shitters playing a glorified waifu sim and being reminded by Smtfags of it
>>380981851
At least it came out.
>>380981902
>adds more options with attack or enemy interaction
>gave SL bonuses to spice things up
I mean it ain't the best but it improved
>>380981941
>saving an image that tiny
raidou deserves better than this
>>380981902
>Implying it isn't
>Better MC
>Competent plot
>Better art direction
>Actual demons
>Negotiations are back
>Actual dungeons
>No Yosuke
>Good SLs for everyone who isn't a party member
P5 is literally just better P4. I understand P3fags and P2fags, but P4fags are beyond me.
>>380982000
T. Pleb. Literally nothing different between P3, P4, and P5. No, a fancy new damage type doesn't actually add anything to the game.
I love both and basically every ATLUS game
>>380981681
Nocturne was designed so that you can focus on dungeon crawling and battle. The world ended and now you're exploring it. That's literally the plot.
>tfw like both smt, early and old persona games
who /mr.worldwide/ here
If they wanted a persona game we should've got counter demon force adventures
>>380982010
>all those mpreg or ship images
Well, yes.
>>380981902
Nah P5 is a massive improvement on pretty much every ground. It also fixed mainline's problem of having negotiations being absolute shit at the same time mainline was generating new significantly more retarded problems for itself that hopefully it can shake in the UE4 game.
The only thing that the game really did not do that it should have was make some optional end game content.
Reminder not to buy P5 DLC so outfits can actually come with the game this time around. No matter how cute Anne is.
Pretty sure the smtfags-personafags "feud" is just an example of people hating other people that remind them of themselves.
>>380982131
>>>380981902 (You)
>>Better MC
Self insert noncharacter, no difference between any Persona game.
>>Competent plot
Ha.
>>Better art direction
Flashier maybe, not better.
>>Actual demons
Too bad they dumb down every mechanic so they might as well not even be in the game.
>>Negotiations are back
See above.
>>Actual dungeons
Repeated patterns and braindead puzzles aren't dungeons.
>>No Yosuke
Who cares.
>>Good SLs for everyone who isn't a party member
10 2 minute scenes where nothing happens except angsting.
>>380982342
Raidou DLC is very much worth the $7 desu
though it was more like $15 since I bought it twice
>>380982243
right here
>>380982243
Sup bro.
>>380982179
>Negotiations, guns, baton-passes and actual dungeons are literally nothing
Persona 5 is the first Persona game which isn't a chore to play.
>>380982403
How the hell does adding Demons and negotiations dumb down the mechanics?
>>380982342
The real problem is this. Atlus realizing they can make mad dosh by releasing every new game with 6 million DLCs. If they were all waifu costumes and other cosmetics I wouldn't care that much, but all those DLC Demons and Personas trigger me deeply.
>>380982590
>The most powerful Demon is locked behind DLC
Atlus is P2W someone stop them
>>380982528
>dispensing the (You) when they couldn't even quote the post without fucking up
>>380982393
It's just an extension of console wars at this point.
>>380982403
>>>Actual dungeons
>Repeated patterns and braindead puzzles aren't dungeons.
If you truly believe that P5 hasnt majorly improved the dungeon crawling over and prior Persona then should really consider killing yourself.
>>380982403
Kill yourself fucking Scooby Doo gay
>>380982528
Ignore that faggot he is the cancer eating away at this franchise. Thank God that P5 is going into the right direction
>>380982528
Compared to entries within Persona itself P5 has noticeably simplified negotiation mechanics. Putting demons as enemies just makes the graphics look different, it doesn't even fit the look of the game and Persona 4s mooks worked better. Negotiation is the same way, they can't even bother doing a port of earlier systems and make it simpler for no reason.
>>380982590
I haven't been paying attention to the DLCs at all, aren't most of the DLC Demons just the personas of old protags?
>>380982727
You are delusional shitposter-kun.
>>380982590
>Archangels are DLC
>fun content is on disk like Cleo or the diamond realm
>Masakado and thus the true Final boss is DLC
>semi plot shit is DLC
Jews.
>>380982727
Better than fucking shuffle time. Least there's some nice dialogue within this watered down Negotiation.
>>380982651
Why? How are they better? Graphically they are no different than P3 or P4, same repeated objects, textures, battle backgrounds, etc. Obviously they have slightly more design put into them but it doesn't even matter when all you do is rush through them like in P3 and P4. The puzzles feel forced in, and they aren't even interesting. I don't think there are many RPG'S that can implement puzzles well, I don't understand why the P5 team tried.
>>380983009
I get the feeling you just don't like JRPGs. Why don't you try a straight VN?
who /yhvh/ here?
>>380982243
We are a dying species
>new mainline SMT coming
>people still have to come here to bitch about how persona is ruining the series
???
>>380983167
>>new mainline SMT coming
lmoa
>>380983167
(Ooc) Shut up, we're roleplaying
>>380983146
This is kind of blasphemous to my religion please delet
>>380973152
Doi should have done them from the beginning.
>>380983146
I am that I am.
>>380983167
>Implying it would be as good as Nocturne
>Implying it won't be written by the Apocalypse writers instead of someone semi-competent
Why is nocturne seen as the gateway SMT? That is probably SMT4 and Apocalypse. I've seen a lot of people shitting on it recently and I don't get it.
>>380983130
I like JRPGS, which is why I don't like Persona 5. It embodies all of the bad aspects of the genre. A VN seems like a better direction for Persona because then at least the development team won't have to pretend to make a game. I'm tired of getting the same rehearsed mechanics over and over with no true innovation.
>>380983167
>implying we will get any news about that until 2020
>>380983167
>>380983167
>>new mainline SMT coming
>Switch only
>5 copies sold because eu release is 5 years after japan and us
I am excited.
>>380983394
Nocturne is where a lot of SMTfags first discovered the series. It's funny because Nocturne is the most divergent mainline entry in terms of setting and tone.
Heck, even Soul Hackers and DDS resemble SMT 1, 2, 4, 4A more than Nocturne does.
>>380983146
>Lawfags
Ayyyo hol' up
*Puts on Demonica*
So you be sayin'
*Takes on Orias*
So you finna be sayin'
*Gets backstabbed*
H...Hol'up
*Dies*
...
*Gets UberGestalt'd*
...So you were sayin'
*Puts on black suit*
Ayyyo so you be sayin'
*Neutrally adjusts bowtie*
Finna hol' up
*frees himself from the Mothers' control*
Hol up hol up, so you be sayin'
*Discovers the mysteries of the multiverse*
So you finna be sayin'
*Formulates a plan to destroy the Schwartzwelt*
Ayyyo so you be sayin'
*transmits info to Arthur*
We wuz Neutral'n SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
>>380983647
>*Neutrally adjusts bowtie*
>>380982243
Still here. Somehow.
>>380983009
>same repeated objects, textures, battle backgrounds, etc.
But that's generally the thing with the series if we talk about it like that. Game's end up using teleporters as the primary form of navigation challenge and it's not as if they don't try to keep the themed assets different. Battle backgrounds are mostly resused in even mainline, what do you mean?
>>380983442
>same rehashed mechanics
>with all those improvements over P3 and P4
>VN with the social sims aspects
I'd rather turned P2 into a VN to get rid of their gameplay
>>380980428
A trustworthy and devout angel.
>>380983336
Not the NDD, those were good. Needed redrawing but they were all good.
>>380983863
FalloutxSMT when
>>380983442
>I don't like these games, I wish they'd finally innovate and make a Persona for me
No, fuck you
Why do you fags insist on being included if you don't likw the series to begin with
Fans of persona like the games for what they are, same with Smt, I can't fucking understand this mentality that a well established series needs to "innovate", if you want to play something else go play something else
The only thing a series should aspire to do with each sequel is to refine it's mechanics and deliver more of what people liked in the first place
>>380960985
>tfw enjoy both persona and smt
>still shitpost pretending to be either side
>>380984096
what did he mean by that post?
>>380984035
>In the first place
>P1 was the worst Persona
What did he mean by this?
>>380984035
I have to agree.
Persona 6 should focus on improving the dungeons and the writing. That's literally all it needs to do.
>>380984096
>The Wikipedia article is called Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
God fucking damn it AtlUSA
>>380983826
Yeah, it's the same old thing which is why I don't get when people say it's new.
>>380983851
Calling P3-5 a social simulator has always been a stretch, if it was in a VN format you wouldn't have to pad out gametime so it wouldn't serve any purpose. I agree with P2 being better of as a VN as well, though that's probably just my personal grudge against it. Gameplay in the series never really recovered after EP.
>>380984035
If a series doesn't innovate what's the point of making more games? Why not just replay the same game over and over.I'd be fine with another Megami Ibunroku Persona though.
>>380984096
Same. I also do the same in futa threads.
>>380981934
IV:A's writing is weird. All gods and demons characters are great while the humans characters are mostly awful
didnt they open a new studio, created a new engine, modeled and redesigned shit ton of personas from scratch all over again?
just make another using the same engine and assets a la persona 4, almost no efford and shit lot of money
>>380981221
>Looking at a still imagine with numbers occasionally popping up. This will never change no matter which character or demon you are using.
>Looking at animated models actually doing something and having such a large variety of over a hundred demons that will pad you out over the entirety of the game.
Must really suck being fucking retarded.
How many have you completed, faggots? I'm a pleb who has only beaten 9.
>>380984345
I was talking shot the series as a whole, but for persona in this aspect it's new.
You ask that question on why do people want the same thing when that's pretty much in line with most fans of the different sub series
And besides, innovation is for the countless other spinoffs. Persona/if was what if we focused on a school environment, DDS was stepping away from mainly abrahamic focus to another religion +no John you are the demons , devil summoner was what if demons were there but no nuke and apocalyptic events. Refinement is fine really, sprinkle with new ideas but it's best to be more secure with what you have in some cases and not make that big a gamble
>>380984345
>>>380984035
If a series doesn't innovate what's the point of making more games? Why not just replay the same game over and over.
Did you skip that anons portion of the post saying
>The only thing a series should aspire to do with each sequel is to refine it's mechanics and deliver more of what people liked in the first place
And hes right.
If you want something thats entirely different, then you should be playing an entirely different game. Judging a series for something it simply isnt, is ridiculous.
>>380984986
>sitting around waiting for animations to play is more fun than actually fighting
Persona 5 has the best of both worlds though. You have the animations but they're finished in moments and you can continue, you know, playing the game.
>>380984345
The point is to have more, expanding on the previous entries with more of what worked while trying to fix what didn't, refining it
What's the point of overhauling shit in the name of "innovation" to appeal to some imaginary untapped demographic and calling it a sequel
It might as well be a wholly different and it's own thing instead of banking on the series recognizability
>>380985028
Just twelve.
>>380985028
SMT1
SMT2
Nocturne
SMTIV
Apoc
Desu1
Raidou1
DDS1
P3 (bad ending)
P4G
P5
>>380984035
>The only thing a series should aspire to do with each sequel is to refine it's mechanics and deliver more of what people liked in the first place
You can refine its mechanics by innovation too Anon, otherwise we'd be stuck with the same old Megami Tensei gameplay.
Besides, some series pride themselves on innovation, so it's pointless to say no to it in any case, SMT as a whole would benefit from some actual innovation since the series stagnated until Nocturne and is stagnating since then, as much as I detest Press Turn and all the shit it brought with it at least they did try to make something different.
>>380983167
>expecting logic from the manchildren here
>>380985028
15
SMT 3
SMT 4
SMT 4A
Strange Journey
Persona 2 IS
Persona 3
Persona 4
Persona 5
Raidou 1
Raidou 2
DeSu 1
DeSu 2
Soul Hackers
Digital Devil Saga 1
Digital Devil Saga 2
Gotta get on the older titles sometime
>>380985028
SJ, SMT1+2 and MT1+2
No 3DS, dunno about trying DeSu vanilla yet or if emulator is good
Thinking of disk burning for PS2 era
>>38098502820.
>>380985452
You okay dude?
>>380985028
Only finished P5 and PQ
Still working on P3, SMT Nocturne, and SMT4
>>380981048
Uzume and Nekomata
>>380985575Yeah.
>>3809850284.
>>380981157
Etrian Odyssey IV.
>>380985452
Ronde, Demi Kids and Jack Bros better be among them.
>>380985871
Yes to all 3 with both versions of Demi Kids.I also played SMT: Imagine for 3 years before the servers shut down. I don't know if that counts so I didn't count it.
>>380961232
>2million
So it sold literally nothing? LMAO, weebcucks are pathetic.
>>380985796
can you play that on citra?
>>380986118
>niche game sales for a smaller studio compared to western Giants that are backed by the console publishers or more massive marketing with multiplats
My little bait can't be this tryhard
>>380986165
Does citra even work for SMT or Devil survivor?
>>380985028
I have played Nocturne, SMT4, 4A, Devil Survivor, P3, P4, P5, and PQ. Only finished P5.
I'm about to ragequit P3. It's been nothing but bullshit this whole time fuck this archaic garbage.
>just barely manage to beat boss
>it revives itself with full health
>>380986070
I miss Imagine. I used to think it was boring, because I was a wow brainlet at the time, but as time went on and I got more and more into megaten, I started realizing it was pretty good. And now it's dead. Fuck!
>HD develpment means you need to invest more and return less
WHO WOULD AVE TOUGHT.
No wonder they are looking at yakuza and pesona for pc.
>>380969659
H O Y
O
Y
>>380986591
Hoyposters are Filth
>>380986542
Tank duo? They're easy as fuck, anon, what are you doing?
You haven't even hit the actual bullshit bosses yet.
>>380986661
Gonna start Devil Survivor Overclocked soon :^)
>>380985028
SMT I, II, Nocturne, SJ, IV and IVA
DeSu 1 and 2
Soul Hackers
TMS if that counts.
Persona 3 and 4. I'm actually in the last dungeon in P5 but just thinking about the amount of text and cutscenes it probably has makes me not want to play it anymore.
>>380986846
Remember that Mitamas are OP and that MAG curbstomps STR until the end of the game.
>>380986742
Post rare Walters.
>>380986672
This. If you spend slightly more time in Tartarus than you should, you overlevel and the game's piss easy. He kinda reminds of that other guy who fucked up his social links and stats really bad.
>>380960985
>Capcom lets Itsuno work with Atlus and Platinum to remake SMT:3 Nocturne but with DMC4 gameplay style and 3 campaigns are Dante, Raidou, and Demifiend (neutral, law, and chaos)
A man can dream......
>>380987139
>action game meme
>not Dragon's Dogma style ARPG for the Raidou games
>>380979764
Spooky was 2 based
>>380983863
SERVE MY GOD
>>380987139
>no Demi-Fiend as a playable character in DMC4SE
one fucking job
>>380987081I don't have any more.
>>380987081
...hoy
>>380979778
SMT A I think actually teased a new raidou.
>>380987203
>not MH gameplay where palicos are replaced with your demons
Redpill me on Raidou, /v/.
>>380987081
>>380987472
You slip on banana peels and lose tons of money.
>>380985028
Finishing Persona 5 last week kicked me up to manchild
>>380987472
raidou's a chad
Just started playing PSP version of Persona 2, should I go with original music or remixed one?
>>380987638
Original, switch to remixed later on if you feel like it.
>>380985028
Persona 3 FES
Persona 3 Portable
Persona 4
Persona Q
Persona 5
Nocturne
Raidou 1
Raidou 2
DDS 1
DDS 2
Devil Survivor Overclocked
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Strange JourneyCatherine
I got until the last boss of DeSu 2 and stopped here, holy fuck that game was so shit.
>>380987638
Both are good but I prefer the OG. Switch if the battle themes start to wear on you
>>380987472
He conquers the World of LUK
>>380980046
Bayo was shit
>atlus finally has a decently-selling game (relative to its others) that put persona into the mainstream, giving way to more persona/SMT games in the future
>SMTfags not only complain but also blame the only thing keeping them alive
Y'all are retarded
>>380987986
What was the point of him?
He was sent back in time to stop Raidou XL but ended working for him until you rekt his shit.
>>380987139
>and Platinum
This is where game goes to shit, fuck you
>>380987389
What, when? I don't remember that.
>>380988208
>SMTfags not only complain but also blame the only thing keeping them alive
>being this dense
>>380985028
P3
P3P
P4
P4G
SMTIV
Nocturne
wonder if I should play SJ or wait for the remake and play Devil Summoner instead
Don't open this image
>>380988623
and P5
>>380982342
>The only time Atlus will ever acknowledge Catherine from now on is in the form of costumes that you need to pay for
RIP
>>380987472
I liked those games but it's difficult to recomend them, their gameplay is genuinely shit especially the first one.
I really digged the atmosphere of an RPG in the Taisho era (circa 1920) and the actual story was not so bad, mixing serious plot moments and silly shit.
It's also one the best Meguro works on the PS2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaQHKwr5X4
Are the Archangels really DLC in P5? Does that mean you can't fuse Metatron without them?
>>380988208
Most fans of the series play both Persona and SMT. Don't let obvious falseflagging shitposters bait you.
>>380988536
Okay guy, stay in your delusion. Not my problem.
>>380988925
Metatron is fusable without any DLC, so I'm going to assume that's not the case.
>get annoyed at people who just like Persona
>get annoyed at people who just like SMT
>only get furious when they don't know the entire series is called MegaTen and Persona isn't a spin off of SMT at all
Who /super pendantic/ here?
>>380988848
>their gameplay is genuinely shit especially the first one
Are we talking "worse than P1 / P2IS" shit?
Or just "outdated compared to the latest SMT entries" shit?
>>380989067
i rather for smt to be dead than casualised
>>380985028
Megami Tensei 1
Megami Tensei 2
SMT
SMTII
Nocturne
SJ
SMTIV
SMTIV:A
SMT:If
Devil Summoner:Soul Hackers
Raidou 1
Raidou 2
DDS1
DDS2
Persona 1
Persona 2 IS
Persona 2 Ep
Persona 3 FES and P3P
Persona 4 and Golden
Persona Q
Persona 5
DeSu1 and Overclocked
DeSu 2 and Record Breaker
I never played Demi kids or Jack Bros :(
>>380989189
>tfw no Megami Tensei 3
>>380988925
No.
I wish the Archangels had more to do with the plot, though. Especially when there's potential for them to do more stuff instead of just popping out of nowhere in the eleventh hour.
>>380988776
Apparently Catherine sold a lot better than they expected, but found the development process of making it difficult. If anything it was a successful experiment that produced a cult hit game, but at the same time don't ever expect a successor or anime OVA or anything like that
>>380988631
Is Minotaur the Water Temple of Atlus games?
>>380972996
Did Alex Jones or Eddie Bravo make this demon?
>>380988631
>Ally Minotaur doesn't have Labrys Strike
>Most fused demons doesn't even have unique skills at all
What the fuck was they thinking?
>>380989189
>Persona spawned from Smt If
>not an Smt spinoff
After the two first titles that nobody remembers or cares about Smt took Over as the mainline anyway
In other words you're fucking retarded and gay
>>380964337
Sega Europe said they'd be interested in porting some of Atlus' shit to PC.
Source: http://www.pcgamer.com/yakuza-and-persona-are-on-that-list-of-games-sega-want-to-bring-to-pc/
>>380990013
So happy that was changed in SMTIV:A, shame Minotaur didn't make it though :(
>>380988631
>Open imageI'LL END IT THUS
>>380990021
>This whole post
>>380990021
I bet you think Devil Survivor is a SMT spin off too, nerd.
>>380982243
Im here with you
>>380990506
Never reply to me again
>>380990887
Make me, Son of Man.
>>380991130
I've killed hundreds of you just a few hours of go, Fuck off Betatron.
>>380987548
>never reappeared in IVA
Fucking hell.
>>380990201
>none of Akira's Demons were used as plot points
What happened to Mastema back in Roppongi?
>negotiate with female demons
>"You're boring."
>"So compliant."
>"You don't know how to treat a girl."
>"Asshole."
>>380988631
Don't open this image
>>380960985
Port Persona collection it Switch.
>>380991369
How's it feel to suck so much you can't even pick up literal semon demons.
>>380991369
because you're not raidou
>>380989251
It's nothing like any other SMT game, it's an action RPG. It's not dated, it's just very shallow, and it was that way even when it was released, and it pretty much consists of doing the same attack over and over again. It was improved in Raidou 2, but still wasn't great. I also hated how they changed MAG in Raidou 2.
>>380991369
Anthony?
>>380991369
It makes up for all of the times you fuse a female demon and they instantly want your dick.
DeSu1 was particularly bad about this.
>>380982342
I hate how lazy the outfits are aside the Dancing all night and the Catherine pack.
>got the P2 pack
>Joker doesnt use the red pizza boy outfit
>no Eikichi outfit for Ryuji
>Yosuke not wearing Jun outfit
>Makoto doesnt use Maya outfit
>Futaba is not using Baofu suit even when its a perfect match
>Haru didnt get Ulala dress
>and they miss the opportunity with Akechi: He doesnt wear the white Joker outfit, or Narly Kashira outfit or even better, Hitlers overcoat even when in the Raidou dlc Akechi use the General Munakata imperial japanese uniform
Most of the dlc suck big time
>>380991520
What was wrong with this?
>>380990661
>Mot was designed as Reiji's persona
>one flashes his abs and scar while the other hides inside a coffin
>at P2 Reiji war a suit and has bangs
Neat
>>380991369
>scold her
>she wets her panties and joins you later
Demonfus are just like any other female, only more dangerous (but still better otherwise). Don't be a doormat or a complete douchebag and they'll like you.
>>380983167
Maybe you need to stop taking the most obvious falseflagging so seriously you fucking retard
>>380982342
>on-disc DLC
go fuck yourselves atlus
>>380992898
>still better
Just got to Shido's Palace.
What the Hell is his deal supposed to be anyway? I feel like it's a Japanese politics thing that I'm not getting.
>>380993187
Are better.
>>380992084
>P3 and P4 pack has the other protagonists' persona
>P1 and P2 pack do not have them
>P1 and P2 pack only has the PSP battle themes
>Decide to replay SJ while waiting for Redux
>Get to the fight with Zelenin for the cosmic egg and the nuke
>Realize I have no demon with Debilitate and my Black Frost with Luster Candy is just at lvl 45
And what's worse is that my hardest hitter is Kresnik, who does fuck all for damage to Zelenin despite doing nearly 800 unbuffed on a single hit on Maya just a few minutes earlier.
>>380982342
>the DLC doesn't change the midboss and boss themes
Wasted desu
>>380983389
You implying that the plot in Nocturne is good?
>>380993969
Only people that didn't like nocturne plot are brainlets much like yourself
>>380993969
What plot? I'm pretty sure it was barebones as fuck.
>>380993579
>no Apollo in HD glory
>>380985028
>have started 13
>only beaten 2
There are just too many to choose from, I can never stick with one. Although I'm trying to dedicate myself to Nocturne at the moment because it feels more atmospheric than all the others and I don't my efforts on getting past Matador to have been a waste.
>>380993636
Weak to wind she is, Thoth's source gives Debilitate, Rangda has it also, but you can do alright if you have tier 2 single stat debuffs
Plus just fuse luster candy onwards to other guys or a source
>>380993350
>drain your hard earned MAG, items and Macca in maintenance
>>380994151
Subtle and nuanced doesn't equal barebones dumbass
What level should I reasonably be to beat Mem Aleph on my first SJ playtgrough?
>>380994350
>drain your hard earned MAG, items and Macca in maintenance
So like any female? At least they're useful.
>>380994423
Without password demons, 91 for Shiva
>>380994423
80's
>>380979813
>152 hours for one playthrough?
HOW? I beat it in 77 hours and did pretty much everything that could be done in one playthrough.
>>380979646
>awful over designed interface
Stopped reading right there
>>380994330
>efforts on getting past Matador
I must ask
Literally what effort
Every time people ask for help with Matador they get answers like fusing Nozuchi (level 16) or Ame-no-Uzume (level 19) while you reach that place normally on level 14. Literally just buy the wind Magatama to eat his turns and Suku his ass.
Why do people have so much trouble with him again?
>>380976334
Maybe Atlus shouldn't have made P5 for babbies.
>>380995054
Nozuchi's 14 and you don't even have to fuse him, he spawns literally one room away from Matador
>>380994350
Yeah, I know, but I'm not really excited at the thought of levelling up a Thoth for his source to fuse something else with it, not to mention I'd either need to spend macca on calling demons or go back to older dungeons to recruit them.
Hell I steamrolled everything past Ouroboros without the need of Luster Candy or Debilitate so I got careless with SJ weird difficulty spikes, I'm just level 61 too so maybe I'll do some sidequest to get macca and maybe raise one level or two for my demons.
>>380994423
I'd say around 80, it's more important to have strong demons of multiple alignments and the Gibo Eyes app equipped, if you have both then it's all the usual Luster Candy business while spamming the strongest attacks you have, like Mortal Jihad, Riot Gun, and whatever weakness Mem Aleph has.
>>380984096
Oh motherfucker. Holding Persona 4 up as 'exactly right' to Jungian psychology is just fucking lazyEven though it is probably the only game in the series closet to getting it right but still had a lot of parts missing
>>380995324
>>380994797
>>380994585
Im playing SJ for the first time
Do I keep my demons or fuse them as soon as I get the forma out of them? Can I get more forma from the same demon if I resummon?
>>380982816
Exactly.
>>380994306
P2 remake on the new engine soon.
>>380987731
>>380987805
Already liking this game
>>380996741
>HD Nyarly
>>380996741
no fusion spells no buy
>>380996741Chronos is better to be honest.
Imagine Tatsuya in new engine.
Pic related.
>>380997308
Go pick some flowers, Jun.
>>380996898
Happy Father's Day
>>380982243
I am Thou, Thou art I...
>>380995650
I was under the impression that 1 and especially 2 were closer representations
How the fuck do you beat Vasuki in DDS1 without Null Panic and/or overleveling?
People told me the invisible man is bad but I found that bitch way worse
PC port
>>380997308
>Chronos has a clock face
>but Apollo is the one that can stop time
Anyways, Maia a best
>>380997768
>all those spikes
Maya is the best, but Maia is not.
To be honest, none of IS's initial personers are particularly good.
Hope they keep P5 loki design
>>380998513
>not liking a lighter in human form
>>380998680
I prefer smug Loki though. Myth Loki is not a fighter that carries a sword around
>>380998810
Is this a Jojo reference?
>>380997690
4's denying, speaking and embracing their shadows that transform to their persona is probably the best way to show how the ego deals with the shadow in many ways
>>380998810
>lighter
>not motorcycle
>>380999028
I'd be fine if they ditched the sword, the horns and the stripes look really good though.
>>380964868
3ds era was a mistake fuck playing smt on a small ass screen Id rather play on my tv
>>380999975
Would Futaba be a SMTfag?
>>380999432
I don't really want persona to become common demon, since they are designed with the owner in mind. P5 Loki is Akechi's persona so take that away from him isn't really a good choice (though Mot's design start as Reiji's persona in P1 so there's that)
Though to be fair I love Devil Summoner Loki since he embrace everything about Loki in the Norse myth, a physically weak dude yet smug and smart enough to manipulate others in his part
>>380995226
I think I got to him on level 12 then, something like that.
But still that's not a lot of effort.
>all of the palace rulers have demon names
>Shido's isn't Farbauti
What the fuck
>>380961295
How would you react if they announced the SMT Switch project was actually Jack Bros 2: Odin Boogaloo?
>>380998513
Hermes and Maia are great
>>381001241
>Not a full length anime
I'm being serious when I say that a anime featuring Jack Frost would be the best anime this season
>>381001241
No Hairy Jack no buy
this never ever
>>381001241
>>381001450
I would take both of this
>>381001853
>We'll probably only be getting the core four Jacks (Frost, O'Lantern, King, Black) for the rest of the console generation if P5 is any indication
>>380960985
Don't you dare bring your Shitsona to PC, we don't want it. PC is for hardcore and mature gamers, so bring over SMT HD to PC, we would buy that, not Shitsona.
>no Jack Frost dating sim
>routes for all the Jack variations
Why even live?
>>380979519
>it's the end of the world
>lets go to the beach
>>380981048
buy hifumi
use suku
bring null wind kids
win
matador is really easy, it's fuckin mot that's bullshit
>>380979629
NOCTURNE HD REMAKE WITH ALL OF THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+bayonetta maybe
Guess that PC port might come around after all.
>>381002119
There's no reason to think they'd cut Demoneeho out of SMT 5
>Jack Bros. come back
>you have to get through this
>>381003239
One of the reasons P5 was so expensive was because they spent a lot of money redoing all of the demons. Except for key players like Odin, who's redesign wasn't modeled, we can assume that the demon list in P5 will be what we're stuck with.
>>380966621
>Imogen Gay Poot
What did her parents mean by this?
>>380973309
The art style depends on the tone of the game. Doi is better for persona games, but for mainline it's kaneko. Soejima it's a sweet spot between the two.
that's only a loss of 5 million burgerbucks this quarter.
>>380960985
>Atlus work on game for 10 years or something
>in the mean time keep wasting resources with P4 spinoffs
They brought it on themselves to be honest.
When will we finally get the SMT we all wish for anf deserve? A squad based corridor shooter where your squad are your demons
>>380960985
They're expanding he company you dumb dumb. They are hiring new people and have an new development studio.