So we're all in collective agreement that this is the best

>>380936979
Nah, that's Dark Souls or Bloodborne, depending on your preference. Nudoom was pretty damn good though.

>>380937064
>DaS
>2011
If I said last 7 years you'd be correct. But BB is not better than NuDoom.

>>380936979
no, but i love it and i'm okay with you thinking it is the best game of the last 6 years

own it on PC and PS4

Not best but top 5 at least

Witcher 3 was much better you fucking nostalgia shitter.

Yes, I played both games.

was seriously pleasantly surprised by it. I really want more single player content as either an expansion or the next game.

>>380936979
Nope, it was complete mess of a game

The game feels unpolished after hell, it's still one of the best but not the best.

Tbh I liked Doom 4 but what's with all the normies hailing it as a return to form for Doom? It's literally a Serious Sam or Painkiller clone gameplaywise and plays nothing like Doom or other 90's fps games that were like Doom. People also seem to think that Brutal Doom is just how Doom 1 & 2 are for some reason so they think Doom 4 is a successor in that sense too.

The pinata enemies kinda bring it down

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>>380936979
>There are people who literally and unironically think DOOM is the best game since 2011 when Human Revolution qualifies

Neck yourself, your bad taste has no place in modern society.

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At first i hated it but after looking at walkthroughs watching countless ppl get destroyed on higher difficulty settings and playing it at least 8 times

it is fucking incredible compared to other AAA trash games ment for babies

Multiplayer still sucks tho

>>380936979
yes, Dark Souls is second best.

>>380936979
It's above average for a modern shooter but people are memeing too hard about it's greatness.

>>380939601
I enjoyed the multiplayer, got max rank. It reminded me of Halo 3 multiplayer

>>380939429

I tried playing that piece of crap, stealth, just killing everything, something in between, and it's still shit, the art style is glorious but the game is pure shit.,

>>380936979
It's pretty good, but held back by a few poorly thought out design decisions, for example, having a unique key binding for every individual weapon instead of having weapon groups like OG Doom, and how the crosshair size scales with the FOV, making the Plasma Rifle crosshair invisible at high FOV, mouse sensitivity also halves for some reason while firing the plasma rifle.

>>380939760
What'd yah think of Dishonored?

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>>380939429

Fuck, I forgot the picture.

>>380939838

Same story, dropped it like an ugly baby.

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>>380939760
>>380939840
Please refer to my earlier statement about permanently removing yourself from the company of intelligent and capable life, subhuman.

>>380939817
>having a unique key binding for every individual weapon instead of having weapon groups like OG Doom

I don't remember weapon groups. I just remember that 2-7 were different weapons

>>380939985

>reach new area
>observe the enemy
>learn their patterns
>wait until they turn around
>attack
>procceed to the next area
>repeat

The game is ass.

>>380940041
In Doom 2, pressing 3 let you switch between between both shotgun types, modders then expanded this functionality to all other weapon groups.

>>380940041
shotgun, double barrel shotgun
I guess you can kindof consider it a weapon group.

>>380940232
Oh, and you could hot swap between the fists and chainsaw the same way.

>>380936979
>max 12 enemies on the map at once
And no it's not only limited to Snapmap, it also applies to the campaign. Just try and find footage that disproves it.

>>380940286
>>380940232
Oh yeah the shotgun. That's not really "groups" as in plural, it's an exception

>>380939601
>multiplayer still sucks though

Good, so they'll focus more on the part that matters, the Singleplayer.

>>380939429
Human Revolution is the most disappointing 8.5/10 I've ever played, but that's because I consider the original one of the best games ever made. Also, I happened to prefer Mankind Divided once the night sequence begins. I don't know who thought this series needed a daytime sequence that takes up about a third of the playtime.

>>380936979
age of decadence was better than this shit. having said that, i never played nudoom, but i just know it's terrible

>>380936979
>what is titanfall 2

I picked the game up looking for some relaxing rip and tear. But man am I bad at it. I am so bad that the game makes me super stressed. Fun though.

Its the best shooter in the last 5 or so years maybe even this gen minus Quake Champions in Beta for MP.

>>380939817
it is better than it's AAA competition but that isn't saying much at all, it's also chock full of retarded design decisions that never should have been considered for a Doom game and every change or addition they did make is decidedly un-id like

>>380937064
He said no weebs.

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>>380936979
yeah

Now all we need is for id to buy the rights to Blood

EDF 4.1 is a better and more dynamic shooter.

The problem with Doom 2016 is that it's just "attack, attack, attack", there's no element of risk vs. reward like in the original Doom and Quake games. In the old games, sometimes you have to keep fighting, sometimes you have to run past enemies, sometimes you have to stop, sometimes you have to retreat and the lines between what tactics you should use are blurred. EDF was able to capture that dynamic and unpredictable nature of 90s FPSs. In Doom 2016 you just run around like a headless chicken, doesn't matter where you run to, the only way to put yourself at risk is to stop moving. It's completely mindless and contrary to the original games but it makes the "muh fast" babbies feel good.

It's great, but honestly overrated. Wolfenstein TNO is better, for example.

>>380936979
It's the best game of last year, for sure. This year saw Automata and possibly Zelda already top it though.

>>380941845
>inb4 some faggot regurgitates the PR line that gloryills are risk vs reward
I know what you mean, it seems like you just run around in circles rather than actually thinking positioning and actively dodging projectiles etc
the whole thing is extremely tightly designed to give you that "frantic combat near miss" experience which it does well enough and that's why people like it but that doesn't make it a good game at all

>>380942027
This, and New Colossus already looks more fun than Doom

I like the idea of the weapons mods but some of them... are quite shit.

Like what is the point of a scope when you can use micro missiles, what is the point of spinning barrel when it spins fast enough in turret mode.

>>380936979
Best fps of the last 10 years, best game might be stretching it.

>>380939010
>nostalgia
>came out later
?

>>380943185

>what is the point of a scope when you can use micro missiles

Your headshots do extra damage when you upgrade it, and it has piercing properties.

>>380943609
when it came down to upgrading things I realized that guns upgrades didn't matter because the minigun turret mode was just a far superior use of the ammo.

>>380943609
That's fine and all but Micro missiles are great at killing imps very fucking quickly in a short time.

I don't know, I think I would replace the scope and the spinning barrel with other upgrades.

>>380940424
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/88841-empirical-analysis-of-onscreen-monster-counts/

campaign feels very repetitive. I went back and played doom 1 recently and it's awesome how you're constantly progressing through new areas with varied design and you have the freedom to come and go, killing enemies along the way. the weapon balance is great and fights are engaging. new DOOM forces major fights to be stuck in one area that you can't fucking leave until the five minute long fight ends, and because of the bloated selection of overpowered weapons, weapon upgrades, and player upgrades, the fights are not challenging and thus they rely on gore and a feeling of power to give any enjoyment. once that wears off, the repetition becomes more apparent and everything starts to feel very unsatisfying. the graphics are almost top notch but fall short due to a sterile and bland look (especially in hell) that could easily be solved by more use of colored lighting

>>380940462
nah quake champions will fail and then because Bethesda wants a slice of the esports pie, DOOM 5 will have forced esports MP targeting the console audience

>>380944354
I don't know, I had some trouble in the later arenas when they up the number of Pinkies, Mancubi and FUCKING IMPS along with Barons.

>>380944256
It's not necessarily how many are on screen but how they are used as well. Also the old doom games could have every monster in the level activated and roaming around where as the new game has either physical arenas or designated "arena" areas which most enemies cannot leave to chase you down
How the levels and encounters are put together is very transparent but not in a good way.

>>380936979
I am finally playing it right now and I am having the most fun I've had in a long time with anything. Wolfenstein was great, but this is incredible.

The only thing I don't like so far is the level design. It's kind of clunky sometimes, and not in a challenging way but more like in a "boy, it sure seems like they could have made this area more fun to fight enemies in", that and the lack of visual interest during the mars parts is pretty tragic. The atmosphere is pretty good but they really could have used some better art direction.

>western vomit
Fuck off, Bloodborne was the best game of the past fucking decade

>>380939601
Multiplayer was so-so
Shotguns ruined it.
Abusing the lighting gun melee bug is super fun though.

>>380936979
it was great with a lot of fun the first time I played it, but after that I haven't touched it again

7/10

>>380947996
the biggest problem was mashing q and mouse1 to spam weapon combos and get high DPS with literally no downside. the tdm community was full of casuals who couldn't handle much more than basic mechanical skill, and so when id software nerfed the weapon combo spam (SG/SSG being the worst) by changing how weapon switching worked, the fags cried and complained and then id changed it back. i'm still mad. it's so retarded that missing with an SSG doesn't get punished, you can literally immediately hit Q and bypass the reload time and keep the damage going with your other weapon

>>380948361
Just hold down lighting gun and bash melee, no weakness.

So do you think Hayden is actually lookng out for Humanity or does he have another agenda?

It was p good. Wolfenstein and it's expansion were better.

>>380948847
I never tried that, sounds hilarious

>>380949062
he just wants the argent energy because he'll supercharge it into himself and become basically the ultimate unkillable fucking powerful robot

>>380949198
True, there's that.

I still find it odd that he allowed for VEGA to destroy himself, considering that VEGA was the one to run the ENTIRE facility. Still, I like that Doomguy saved him on a card.

it was definitely the best mechanics-focused singleplayer shooter of the last several years but glory kills really should've just been melees instead of animations. the constant glory killing gets pretty old (yes it's optional, but the game was designed for you to use it). also the first couple of levels have a lot of style but that kind of disappears shortly after the halfway point. not just the story stuff but the level design. aside from the boss fights, very little of those later levels was memorable

I hope the sequel gets really crazy and also nerfs the chainsaw's ammo creation. on nightmare it felt too easy to just gauss cannon everything

>>380949198
It is, melee animation cancels as soon as you hit them letting you hit them faster than hell razer and you get glorys.
And you keep blinking to them so you are hard to hit

>>380936979
it's was pretty good. both recent deus ex games were better, witcher 3, bloodborne, automata, persona 5 and prey are all better.

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Paper-thin story.
Uninspired level design.
Like 5 enemies.
Like 2 bosses.

Really disappointed with this.

>>380949954
>Paper thin story
It's fucking Doom.

>Uninspiered level design
Sometimes, yes.

>Like 5 enemies
Not counting reskinned enemies:
Possessed Scientists
Possessed Engineers
Possessed Soldiers
Possessed Security
Imps
Hell Razers
Hell Knights
Revenents
Mancubus
Lost Souls
Cacodemons
Barons of Hell
Pinkes
Cyber-Mancubi

>Like 2 bosses
3, one more than the original doom and two more than Doom 2.

>>380950136
>It's fucking Doom.
This isn't a valid reason. The story is paper-thin even by porn standards.

>>380950136
>3, one more than the original doom and two more than Doom 2.
You're comparing a modern game to a game from decades ago. It should be able to handle more than one or two extra bosses.

>>380950419
>This isn't a valid reason. The story is paper-thin even by porn standards.
They hammer it in that if you want the story instead of the gameplay, you read the logs which are actually very interesting. Also it is a valid reason because who the FUCK cares about Story in Doom? I can gurantee that not many people actually read the story in between levels.

>You're comparing a modern game to a game from decades ago. It should be able to handle more than one or two extra bosses.
The boss fights we got were actually good though and had interesting mechanics. The Hell Guard boss fight especially.

>>380936979
I mean it was good but it was mediocre as fuck

>>380950729
>it was good
>it was mediocre as fuck

These things mean two different things.

>>380950834
Very average. Wasn't awful though.

>>380936979
best game, maybe
best FPS, fuck yes
too bad replay value is next to nothing but other then that it was exactly what i needed after all the CoD and halo shit

>>380940162
>play game
>all you do is play the game, and that's it
The game is ass

>>380950419
If anything it's still too much story, on replay I was annoyed whenever the game took away m control to elaborate on some shit I don't care about when I could be shooting demons
There's tens of thousands of pieces of media that I can turn to when I want some story, I don't need my shootan to deliver one

It's not that good. Decent 6/10 shooter. Feels way too clean and the shotgun is the only gun that feels like it has any impact. The game gets really repetitive towards the end, with thrir being the artificial lengthener of that dungeon section being my least favourite bit of the whole game. The game is functional but the worst of series, same with The New Order. Don't see why these games are praised so much.

>>380953393
The dungeon section on the last levels was the part where the game felt more similar to classic doom inferno levels. It felt great to see abstract architecture used again in a AAA FPS.

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>>380942027
>>380943124

>Wolfenstein better than Doom

>>380940773
Are Knightaboos Weeaboos?

It's really fun but repetitive at times, we need more shooters with movement that isn't completely stuck to the ground

>>380953904
But it's so fucking boring

it's either doom or neuro shock ("prey"), yeah

>>380939429
dxhr was just Quite Good

Does anyone play the multiplayer for this?

>>380954074
Don't play on easy.

>>380936979
No.
>Too much health and ammo
>Not enough puzzles

Doom
Witcher 3
Bloodborne

best 3 games the past few years

>>380956765
the truth has been spoken

>>380956751
pump up the difficulty and you'll see that there will never be enough health and ammo, you scrub.

>not enough puzzles
you mean the stupid shit that breaks the immersion and make you waste time instead of playing? doom is not meant to be a game with puzzles, get half life.

I'm only four levels in but I'm missing that classic DOOM feeling. Where are all the switches to flip and then run to door? Where are walls that come down to reveal an ambush of enemies? It seems like every big fight is in a big arena that telegraphs to you beforehand "hey you better get ready because shit is about to go down".

Old Doom games you never knew when you would be attacked. You'd be going down a narrow hall and turn around the corner and there would be a Hell Night there, and you with nowhere to back up to.

I want that old sensation of always being on my toes back again.

>>380936979
It's amazing, but saying it's the best game in the last 6 years might be taking things too far

>>380956969
Doom 64 had great puzzles throughout.

Definitely. Only game that can rival it is BB. Sick and tired of cutscene games. I need my speed and DOOM delivered. Also I really don't get how people ITT are complaining that it gets worse throughout the game. The game just progressively grows and grows. Every weapon added to your arsenal just adds to the fun along with the arenas Arenas getting larger where most of the time you are met with up to around 25+ enemies on screen. Gave me that intense feeling that I've been striving for in gaming. Having got it since co-op LASO on Halo CE.

Doom looks more complex, challenging and fun than it actually is. All you have to do is stand still in the middle of a fight and look around you for the illusion to come crashing down.

>>380957307
Complete and utter bullshit. Enemies are extremely aggressive with pinky's, hell knights, and barons charging and hitting you for 50+ damage. At at all times there is at least 2 of these guys on screen. The game forces you to dodge and evade constantly. Sounds like you haven't even watched the game let alone played it.

It was okay at best.

>>380957448

Everything is extremely easy to dodge and, half the time, too inept to hit you. Sorry your game isn't as intense as you thought it was.

>>380957647
Would you rather every enemy have the accuracy of a sniper? Enemies do enough damage all ready and there's tons of them on screen. DOOM is about strafing around slow to medium fast attacks in arenas.. Not hiding behind cover because enemies hit hard and are accurate.

Don't feel like thinking about all the games released in the last 6 years, but Doom is definitely up there.

>>380950136
Yes, reskinned enemies don't count.
Not really sure what you're trying to say here?

Doom (2016) is a mediocre game in every sense of the word. Completely unremarkable and wouldn't even get a second look if it weren't for the name attached to it.

Most of the game is shallow "Kill all enemies to proceed" style gameplay and is still slow as fuck and nowhere near as quick as the original Doom games.

Can't even do a speedrun comparison because the shitty map makers and engine has so many OOB glitches that it's most of the actual gameplay is skipped.

>>380936979
It's aight. Dunno if I'd say best, but probably at least in the top 5. Shit gets repetitive and it's still too slow.

>>380936979
It was alright. Nothing amazing, and I doubt I'll go back to it anytime soon, but a step in the right direction for big budget FPS games

>>380958647
Surprised that you haven't mentionned SS3 yet.

>>380936979
As a weeb, D44M was honestly one of my favorite games i played in a long time.

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>>380957307
>All you have to do is stand still in the middle of a fight and look around you for the illusion to come crashing down.

Clearly someone hasn't played the game. You would get wrecked pretty badly by enemies that appear a little after the start.

>>380957307
Maybe don't play on easy you shitter

>>380936979
No. Fuck no.

You people need to play more games, and BETTER games. NuDuum was absolute shit stain on Doom's name.

>>380961541
>NuDuum was absolute shit stain on Doom's name.
What is DooM 3 tho

I like it a lot.
Things that could be improved in the sequel
>remove the colour coding energy bullshit we are adults not kids. Just have red energy in the next one which makes sense.
>bosses were underwhelming in design besides the final one. First two resembled Dota characters.

>>380936979
one of the best single player FPS campaigns in ages yeah. We need more FPS games with strong single player modes.

>>380941845
>>380942638
It has more to do with the fact all the Doom enemies can traverse the level in the same way as you. No matter if you run away to the other side of the arena, all the enemies will catch up with you in a second.

>>380957307
Stop playing on easy.
Oh wait, you didn't even play it.

Pinkies are fucking scary in this game and Imps are bastards.

>>380956513
difficulty doesn't make it fun

>>380962615
In Doom it does, this is even true for the originals and 3.

>>380961834
>What is DooM 3 tho
A tech demo + the first meme horror game. Something people are actively trying to forget. But at least it had mod support.

>>380936979
>Weebs need not apply.
You can fuck off. You don't even deserves this game.

So we're all in collective agreement that Mick Gordon is the biggest faggot of the last 6 years? Elton John need not apply.

>>380962765
Stfu you god damn hipsters 3 was great if not perfect it had as much action as the others with an immersive story.

>>380936979
My second favourite of 2016 but I preferred Titanfall 2. As someone who didn't want to see money get spent on a campaign instead of more development for the online component I was very surprised and satisfied at how it turned out.

My only criticism of Doom is I wish snap map didn't have a limit or less of one on the amount of enemies you could spawn.

>>380962765
Rage also had mod support.

>>380962878
>man who created BFG division and Killer Instinct soundtrack
>Faggot

No.

>>380936979
The new Doom is best yes.

>>380964042
Todd. Go.

>>380936979
It really wasn't that great.

>>380962984
did rage have enough players for any mods to actually come out?

>>380962878
What did he do?

>>380940232
It was originally for fists and chainsaw.

>>380936979
The lack of a proper map editor in line with what Doom 2 has really hurts any chance it has to be the best game in that period.

What about Far Cry 4?

What about Far Cry Primal?

What about the new Prey?

They were all WAY better than the new DOOM, and they were WAY less repetitive.

>>380936979
Hell fucking no nu Doom is good but it's not the best especially with the game that came out stop deluding yourself man

>>380965904
>prey
>you're free to explore the entire ship from the getgo so have fun!!!
>oh yea, we conveniently locked off every area and unlock them as soon as you finish the main story mission in the previously last opened one
>oh what's that? you walked around a building 5 times and can't see any monsters anywhere? better not go inside cause we're going to spawn 2 shadow guys in the hallway as soon as you do and if you don't play stealth you'll die in 2 seconds lololololol
The game was absolute garbage.

>>380939429
ross' game dungeon video would criticize human revolution better than me or anyone else could. It's not a bad game - in fact, I'm happy we got this game - but the story and lore is fucked beyond any logical sense.

>>380966703
>dies in 2 seconds
I played on hard difficulty and I didn't have any troubles with the game, didn't use any stealth whatsoever, git gud and explore retard. Faggots like you are exactly why we're getting streamlined, easy as fuck garbage games.

>>380967792
I completed it on nightmare or whatever the hardest difficulty was. Pretty much everything instakills you, the most fun thing of them all was walking into a normal looking room and just dying instantly by a shock because apparently there was a broken machine next to the entrance.
Spawning monsters in a game like this based on whether you enter a certain room or not is downright retarded game design.

>>380968057
>playing on hardest difficulty available
>complains about game being hard
also
>Spawning monsters in a game like this based on whether you enter a certain room or not is downright retarded game design.
it is there to make the game progress smoothly, it's either this or (A) monsters never respawn or (B) monsters respawn whe you leave the area

>>380968198
>instantly dying because you didn't stare at an entrance for 10 seconds to make sure there's not a broken machine next to the entrance is a fair mechanic, after all you're playing on the hardest difficulty!
To the other points, it's one thing to spawn monsters around me, it's a whole other thing to spawn them right next to the window of the room I just entered. For a game that keeps pushing your face in the "you can complete it in many different ways" gimmick, it sure as fuck forced you to play stealth.
I'm not complaining about the game being too difficult, I'm complaining about the game doing retarded shit punishing people playing on harder difficulties. The only way to properly deal with the guy that just spawned in the hallway is to know ahead of time he's going to spawn there.
Once again, if you didn't enter said room in stealth, he just looks at you and it's game over in less than a second. That's how fucking retarded this system is. Your "it's either A or B otherwise" thing is retarded too since both options would be a lot better. Either hide monsters in the room a player can enter or don't hide them at all.
Both these things have nothing to do with the difficulty of the game, this terrible design just becomes more clear and apparent as you up the difficulty.

>>380936979
One of the very few games that i didn't want to stop playing this gen, so i would say yes considering i can't think of anything else, singleplayer wise.

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Why are you fags still obsessing over generic shooting galleries in 2017 when there's so much else to play?

I just don't get it, FPS is such a creatively bankrupt genre.

>>380968991
so much else to play?

Like what?

>>380968991
what games do you prefer? I bet it's weebshit. I just KNOW it's weebshit.

best shooter definitely, pretty high up for best game also

>>380969118
Dozens of indie games with unique and fun gameplay concepts perhaps?
>>380969201
Japan has been releasing the best games so far this year

>>380969315
>I bet it's weebshit. I just KNOW it's weebshit.
>Japan has been releasing the best games so far this year
like clockwork

>>380969315
>Dozens of indie games with unique and fun gameplay concepts perhaps?
Like what? Indie games haven't been good since Hotline Miami. They're too focused on artsy fartsy garbage and story instead of gameplay. Also nuPrey is GOTY so far.

>>380969390
Care to explain why shooty shooty bang bang is better than Resident Evil 7, Nioh or Yakuza 0 you braindead pleb?

>>380962615

But it literally does in this game.

The difficulty makes the game more fun because you have to actually think about when you do melee kills amongst many other things.

Difficulty actually makes the mechanics presented to you in the game matter more.

Ontop of that it makes you have to react better since even the imps do massive damage.

I'm guessing you thought witcher 3 was 10/10.

>>380969492
>6 hours long garbage that's neither scary not entertaining
>souls clone
>cheesy cringe shit

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>>380936979
Best multiplayer shooter in years coming through

>>380969390
Can you post a list of good AAA games released this year not by Japan?
I'll help you a little bit:
Mass Effect A- Oh wait no that was shit.
For Hon- Fuck this one was shit as well.
Tom Clanc- Oh goddanmit...
Horizon Ze- Ok wait, this next one surely is not shit!
The Sur- Shit.

>>380969685
>souls clone
Not an argument. Nioh was a good game.

>>380969685
>souls clone
Even the worst Souls games are better than western trash

>>380969492
>Resident Evil 7
Complete and utter garbage. There's nothing scary about inbred hillbillies. Alien Isolation is 10 times better.

>Nioh
A good game but it's soiled by lack of enemy variety, and mediocre level design.

>Yakuza 0
Never played it so I can't speak about it. As from what I've seen it has awkward combat and is story focused.

>>380969734
Sure.
Prey
Hallow Knight
For Honor

Also I wouldn't call the Surge shit. It's combat is pretty good, I'd even say better than Dark Souls. But it's lacking in level design, atmosphere, and soundtrack.

>>380969938
>Prey
Read >>380968807

>Hallow Knight
Not a AAA game

>For Honor
You can't be serious right? People were struggling to find a match one week after launch and it was choke full of issues. Not too mention the horribly repetitive gameplay as well as it not having dedicated servers making it possible for players to DDOS each other in order to win.

>>380936979
Best from it's year

>>380968991
>shooting gallery
Isn't one of the reasons why this game gets praised is because this is actually much faster and much more challenging than any AAA shooter that was released ever since the turn of the decade? Even if it didn't accurately capture all of the original Doom, you have to admit that this is still a fairly significant break-away from the shit that we've been getting.

>>380970760
He's a weeb. Don't expect him to enjoy a game that doesn't shove paragraphs of text and dialogue down your throat.

>>380970859
Fuck off, I'm weeb as well (as everyone here should be) and I greatly enjoyed Doom, even if the original is still the best.

>>380971572
>even if the original is still the best.
Honestly 100% believe that nuDOOM is better in every way. Of course classic made it possible but I see no reason to play it anymore. Blood is the far better classic shooter and nuDOOM is just classic but with gameplay improvements.

>>380939429
DX was cock-tease, the game. It was very good by 2010-2012 standards, but I would probably rather replay IW than this.

>>380939429
Game was good but honestly it's overrated. Story was quite bland and characters were garbage. Gameplay was okay but not enough to carry it. DOOM completely focused on gameplay and succeeded in that department.

>>380971778
The arenas in nuDOOM are pretty ok, but they're still arenas, ie laziest level design possible. It literally drags the game down from fucking "greatest game ever" to "great".

I even understand that it would be technically impossible due to having to track all the enemies across the whole map, which would probably bring the console CPU to their knees, but come on, man. It's Doom, it deserved better.

>>380957883
It would have been funnier if some enemies could predict where the player is going and shoot at that location. The run-around mindlessly strategy would have not worked that well if enemies did that.

>>380972492
I think the arenas weren't too bad. A lot of focus on verticality with portals and gravity lifts make them great. Especially with Pinky's, Imps Barons chasing you, and Cacodemons shooting you. Game gets fucking intense as hell and this is where the glory kills really elevate the experience. So fucking satisfying when you're at 30 so health and an enemy starts glowing blue/orange.