Reminder that videogames had already peaked and we're just

Ah yes, the classic fallacy of "what came before is better".

You aren't able to enjoy new games because you've jaded yourself against it, all the while saying to yourself: "It's not me! It's the games!"

>>380915058
pretty much

>>380915393
Ah yes, the classic fallacy of "what came after is better".

>>380915514
Wrong. If you can't at least appreciate some things throughout the years then you're the one with the problem, not the industry.

>>380915695
You honestly can't believe that things can peak and have a downward slide?

Guess what? There is almost no games today that come even close to the depth of these titles. Newest being prey in my eyes.

So no, you can take your fallacy talk and shove it up your ass.

>>380915913
"Depth"

There are plenty of games with "depth" nowadays. You have chosen to overlook them and generalize the entire industry to fit your view of what qualifies as good.

>>380916176
post some games post 2007 then

>>380916520
Anything I post will be disregarded as "trash" or "shallow". Your tone suggests you're cemented in your opinion and nothing I show you will change it.

>>380915058
Those games were all shit, op. Their successors were 100x better.

>>380916790
just post mate, maybe I'll change my opinion, I dont know

This seems to be the case OP

Thief 1 is ugly clunky trash, off yourself

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Sure buddy.

>>380917064
>Thief 1
>OP pic is Thief 2

must suck not being able to enjoy new things, OP, I'd consider suicide if I were you if you haven't already.

>>380917185
That is a rehash of the first, same rules apply

>>380916910
Dead Space 1 & 2

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Sure buddy

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>>380917064

Shit taste confirmed.

feels good not being a subhuman who can't understand or appreciate KINO

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I mean you're not really looking good here OP

>>380917291
shit horror but those games were pretty good even tho ds1 is basically a straight rip off of system shock 2

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>>380915058
The last good game came out in 2002

>>380917797

Nothing is scary when you have a gun you dense faggot, it was all about building atmosphere and it did a great job.

>ds1 is basically a straight rip off of system shock 2

I haven't even finished SS2 and I know that's totally fucking wrong and retarded, and you know it.

Go shave your neck and brush your teeth, OP.

>>380917797
Dead space games aren't really horror. They are more like the RE games but with more of a focus on atmosphere.

>>380916520
The Witcher 3

what about

>F.E.A.R.
>New Vegas
>Dark Souls
>Shadow of the Colossus
>Resident Evil 4
>Metal Gear Solid 1-3
>The Witcher 1-3

those games were amazing

>>380917995
yeah but anon there's telekinesis and audio logs so it's a rip-off!
>>380918490
bruh New Vegas and RE4 are two of my favorite video games of all time

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>>380915913
What a retarded opinion.
There are tons of great games that come out all the time, some of my all time favorites just came out recently. There's also shit tons of games that completely go under the radar which are fantastic. There are more and better games being made now, and it's only getting better every year.
Have fun listening to "I spill my drink!" for the rest of your fucking life old man.

>>380915913
>SS2
>depth
what

>>380917414

Wait what you don't have to hack to access SHODAN!?

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WOW, SUCH A MASTERPEAS

>>380918468
>awful combat
>90% of content is POIs
>towns are glorified MMO style quest hubs
>writing is so shitty author of the novels had to distance himself from it
>barebones character progression
>terrible itemization

Disgusting.

>>380918750
Nope. Her shields have health

It's also possible to shoot over the shields directly into her head

>>380915058
I don't like any of those that much. "story driven fps" is a low tier genre honestly.

>>380917680
>posting a webm of the only friendly guards in the game
The AI's pretty dumb, there's no need to bait

>>380918972
/v/

defend

now

>>380919247
The fuck? They're not friendly guards at all

You might want to replay that mission

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>>380918972
>>380919302
The difficulty level determines the vision cone of the guards.
"Easy" was essentially a "I just want the story" setting apparently.
I don't even like Desu Ex that much, but I at least try games before I start bitching about their difficulty on /v/.

>>380918972
>>380917120
This is actually relatively realistic desu.

>>380919586
>The difficulty level determines the vision cone of the guards.

That is completely and utterly wrong and this comes from a person who has beaten the game on realistic at least 10 times

This is realistic difficulty in this webm here for fucksake
>>380917120

Don't fucking lie

>>380915058
Those games have elements that are superior to anything that has come since in some ways, but to assume that this means they won't ever be surpassed is silly. Furthermore, even if it were true that these games will never be surpassed, it doesn't mean that new games aren't worth playing. I think the most influential and interesting singleplayer game since the big three in OP has been dark souls, and while I don't like it as much as deus ex, it's a different type of experience and it brings something relatively new to the table that none of these games can offer, which is a truly compelling connected world that slowly unfolds in surprising ways. None of these games can offer the sense of atmosphere you get in the last of us, stalker, or metro, even if those aren't as deep in terms of gameplay. in the end, op's statement is only semi-valid if you're only interested in a very narrow range of vidya.

>>380918972
it's been ages since i've played the first game, but i remember i got to this level and couldn't find a way past all the guards into this area. so i ended up scrounging up a shitload of tiny boxes and stacking them up so i could just climb over the wall. i still don't know how you're "supposed" to do it. but i felt really cool like i was breaking the game and doing something wholly unintended. felt like a real cool kid.

i miss enjoying video games

>>380921334
Yeah that's one of the ways. It doesn't have a roof for a reason. You can climb through a window if you push metal boxes out of the way. You can also go through the front entrance and start a firefight, or you can bribe a kid with candy to learn about a secret entrance.

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>>380915058
Hypothetical: if gamers from the late 90s/early 2000s time travelled to 2017 and played the best games we have to offer, do you really think they'd go back to playing Deus Ex and System Shock?

Immersive sims didn't sell then and that's why LGS failed.

Immersive sims don't sell now and it's why Dishonored, Deus Ex, Prey, and Hitman failed.

>>380918972
>>380917120
>videogames aren't realistic
You're blowing my mind here senpai
>>380917680
>poked scripted mission guard
Nice try guy
>>380917414
>final boss
Nobody cares

>>380921959
>Nice try guy
Holy fuck every single stupid bastard makes this comment.

It doesn't matter what guard it is.

You're just showing your ignorance of the game and you morons claim to be fans but it's obvious you have no clue how the game works.

>>380921817
I don't think they'd be in direct competition, these are single-player games that you play once or twice and move on to the next game. If someone time traveled before having played those games, then they would probably want to play the new shiny games with better graphics. They might return to the old ones later but only if they had planned to before/heard good things about them.

>>380922181
Bitch I just finished replaying both games a week ago. If you think you can just poke guards on cobblestone you're fucking tarded. This particular guard is scripted because otherwise the mission would glitch out.
Never talk to me or my Thieves ever again faget

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>>380921817
>if gamers from the late 90s/early 2000s time travelled to 2017

>/v/ is this young now

>>380921824
I wonder what it is about them that makes them not sell? the slow and deliberate pacing? the lack of strong branding? If the reason can be pinpointed, it might help bring a revival back in a more market viable form.

>>380922749
I doubt 2 year olds would be playing those games bruh, the people he's referring to are 30ish now.

>>380922870

>Don't show well in trailers
>Don't show well in trade shows or previews
>The appeal isn't immediately apparent within the first 10 minutes
>A deliberately slow pace

I love the genre, but it's not designed to be massively appealing. Making a AAA tier immersive sim in 2017 is fiscally irresponsible,

Thief 1/2 are in a class of their own, these are truly immortal games. Dude Sex is still great, but feels clunky and dated, and it's type of storytelling was done to death. SS2 is just meh save for amazing atmosphere.

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Say what nigga? Bideo games?

>>380915058
What is it about the late 90s and early 2000 and peak quality

>>380923595
Childhood nostalgia. You should try growing up, mid-to-late-20s man.

>>380922749
15 year old me wouldn't bother with old school shit unless for nostalgia kicks

>>380922870
Which game is a typical normie more likely to buy

>walking down the creepy dark corridor
or
>BING BING BING WAHOOO ITTSA DINOSAUR

>squatting in a shadow to see the guard routes
or
>press X to make Spider-Man do cool things

>lonely protagonist that says 5 snarky lines in the whole game
or
>God of Last of Us: we will never shut up about feelings

>>380923148
All those points are true, but immersive sim-lite games Human Revolution and Dishonored seemed successful enough. Something about those games had mainstream appeal that Prey and Mankind Divided lacked. Both HR and Dishonored had flashy and appealing settings, simplified gameplay systems and scaled down hub areas, but I think that somthing about the aesthetic of the IPs in relation to the market at the time had a bigger effect than the dumbing down.

>>380923998
>>380924149
As a second point, I wonder if indie development is viable for the future of immersive sim. I can't think of a good one.

>>380915058
SS2 is a mess, far worse than SS1.

>>380923735
What nostalgia? Almost every genre GOAT is from this era. Can you make an argument against it, neon clad mid thirties ironic man?

>>380920034
Source for the webm gameplay? Because on all my playthroughs I remember having to be pretty careful not alert the Castle Clinton courtyard guards there.

At any rate, yes the AI isn't perfect for a stealth game, but then pure stealth games tend to be either linear af (Splinter Cell) or completely focused on stealth mechanics (Thief). It does what it's meant to do pretty well. Still have to try a GMDX playthrough but I'm hoping it'll be even better.

>>380924358

Neon Struct was a pretty decent Thief/Deus Ex style game, but it apparently bombed completely.

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>Video games peaked he said
>Breath of the Wild just came out

Anon what

>>380925660
That's probably what he meant. Dunno why'd he put some crappy old games in the OP pic, though.

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>>380917956
Don't get me wrong, Morrowind is amazing in a lot of ways, but I wouldn't call it the last good game EVER. It set a high bar to be sure, but just because more recent games haven't topped it doesn't mean they aren't good in their own way. BotW, for example, is definitely at least a good game. I'd even call it great, and the most of the criticisms you see of it complain that it's overrated, not that it's actually bad.

>>380925660

But I've already played the original LoZ, why would I want to play it again but without dungeons and filled with shit content?

>>380925789
>The combat AI is good
lol fucking IGN

>>380915058
I really need to get around to playing those 3 games. I've been playing video games for over 2 decades and haven't gotten around to them. The fuck am I doing?

>>380925407
Just glancing at the screenshots, the art style is just completely unappealing, which kills the atmosphere and motivation to continue in a slow paced game. Even if they managed to make a good story and fun gameplay loop, it seems that the first person view component of immersive sim might require more from the art team than an indie team can handle. it's not surprising that all the successful indie stealth titles have been from the top, isometric or side views.

>>380925660
Whoa open world game with skinner box sprinkle
Whoa

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>>380915058
Same thing with every form of entertainment these days to be honest. I guess it makes sense since they are a byproduct of the society that they come from.

>>380921817
I did and I did, so yes.

>>380926460
>born in the wrong generation

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>>380926593
I always get the impression this meme is only posted by kids.

>>380915913
Mount and Blade is a great "new" game.

>>380926721
I'm 30 years old.

>>380926019
Deus Ex is probably the most friendly of them, if you played HR or MD it's their autistic older brother genius. Be patient and you'll be rewarded
System Shock 2 has similar relationship - if you played Bioshock, it's SS2 with linear levels
Thief 2 (and 1, no one was ever able to determine which is better) can't really be compared to it's retarded descendants, go in blind and be very slow

>>380927075
Bannerlord will be an even newer game. Soon. Really soon.

>>380927632
never ;_;

>>380917064
Your mom is ugly clunky trash

>>380915058
Peaked? Peaked, /v/?

Video games haven't even begun to peak. And when they do peak, you'll know. They're gonna peak so hard, that everyone on 4chan is gonna feel it.

>>380917995
Dead Space was supposed to be system shock 3 it was turned into what it is after resident evil 4

>>380928772

This. Video games are in their prime right now.

>>380915058
I mostly agree with you but there are at least still great games that do release even if they are rare now.

I feel that the problem with games today is that because most are "good enough" it gets misinterpreted by people that these games are great. There are much fewer greats in gaming compared to back then.

So an example to see what I mean here.

>year 2000
20 great games get released this year, many other good games and mediocre crap of course

>current year
Maybe 5 great games if we are lucky. More good games than back then but a lot less all time greats. Plenty of mediocre crap like before. So many games come out though that good enough shouldn't cut it anymore.

best stealth and first person rpgs but i like to play other genres ya know

Medication time, gramps. Just Witcher 3 alone shits all over your minecraft looking clunkfests with retard AI and bad design.

How is Thief II? Was considering it after playing SS2, but was unsure if it held up.

>>380916910
Metal gear solid 2.

you can say the same about /v/

Have you played Kero Blaster though

>>380923038
I was born in 89. I am not 30ish yet.

For the most part games were better back then to me. Most games today aren't worth playing and there is an absolute abundance of games these days.

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>>380932031

Less supernatural elements than Thief 1, but better overall levels and slightly more difficult due to mechanical enemies. Give it a try.