>the only shit that has advanced in videogame are the polygon

cristian

>>380908740
>colisions, ai, physics, fluid simulation, destructible enviroments, storytelling, gameplay are stagnated since the 80's or psx era with no real advancement
>music is still static files, basically the same as still using sprites or billboards equivalent
Normies want movies, not games so why would they care about any of this?

>>380909030
we're not normies though.

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>>380909138
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>>380909124
define "we"

>>380909461
your mom.

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>>380909517
she is definitely a normalfag, sorry

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>>380908740
>collisions, ai, physics, fluid simulation, destructible environments, storytelling, gameplay are stagnated since the 80's or psx era with no real advancement
how fucking stupid are you.

>music is still static files
what the fuck else are you going to use? digital sound doesn't need any any radical changes only improvements on what we have. it could be worse, we could be using MIDI files.

>>380910370
>what is procedural music

>>380910465
once again that begs the question, what's the point? why try to fix what isn't broken.

>>380910814
>what's the point of innovation
>sprites are fine, don't innovate with 3D

>>380910934
There are games that mix tracks together in different ways.

>>380910370
Games are still lazy as fuck with collisions, using boxes for easy computation despite models moving away from simple shapes years ago.
AI is still not being pushed, ex: FEAR is still being praised for its AI and the game is piss easy.
Simulation in general is way too expensive to do in-game and the only times its good are in simulation-based games meaning the entire game is centered around showing off ONE (or two if it's an expensive game) decent effects.
>>380910814
To make a more immersive world in terms of atmosphere and art instead of just focusing on "realistic" and epic orchestra bgms.

>>380908740
>colisions, ai, physics, fluid simulation, destructible enviroments, storytelling, gameplay are stagnated since the 80's or psx era with no real advancement
Objectively wrong. OP is a faggot. Stopped reading there.

>>380911071
>not developing an AI to generate music that reacts to the gameplay

>>380908740
Games actually regressed in graphics in the last few years thanks to Unity.

>>380911241
You can, it will just suck compared to non-procedural, tailored content.

Just like procedural worlds in everything except dwarf fortress.

>>380911260
Unreal is shit.

>>380911260
>he thinks unity is at fault for developers being pieces of lazy shit

>>380911364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSHZ_b05W7o

>implying

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>>380910370
>>music is still static files
>what the fuck else are you going to use? digital sound doesn't need any any radical changes only improvements on what we have. it could be worse, we could be using MIDI files.
good goy

>>380911490
Procedural content can be good. The vast majority of it will not be.

Especially in games.

>>380908740
Even worse, CG cutscenes are often just static files. It's awful.

>>380911260
do you even have a ps4?

>>380908740

>collisions, ai, physics, fluid simulation, destructible environments

For the most part these have got worse in the past decade.
I get more impressed trying out random games from the early-mid 2000s that I missed than modern games.
Even when they look like shit they are full of little details that are surprising to me just because modern games don't give a fuck.

>>380911629
they only need to be memorable enough times to give the impression of being good, not good all time.

procedural + hand crafted is the best of both worlds.

>>380911979
I'm still amazed at fucking pacman in terms of AI and narrative.

fucking pacman bro.

like wtf.

>>380910465
Yeah I was hoping no mans sky would at least do that but nope

>>380912226
procedural generation is great in losers sky if only they would have put good gameplay on top.

>>380912048
If it's being generated at runtime, then there's no way to guarantee that it will be good.

If it's generated in advance and curated, then it doesn't solve OP's problem.

>>380912486
>he has never played spelunky

>>380908740
>physics, fluid simulation, destructible enviroments
That has all improved greatly, but so has complexity of simulated objects. It's also a question of design more than tech. Except fluid simulation, tech isn't there yet for it to be real time, come back in 10 years.

>music is still static files, basically the same as still using sprites or billboards equivalent
Are you retarded? Do you want procedurally generated music now? Do you not get enough shitty bland trash from the procedural meme games like No Man's Sky?

>>380911241
Yeah bro just develop a fucking AI that can understand music and compose it in real time, easy as fuck right?

>>380912620
>there's not middle ground between procedural and hand crafted
>the computer have to make it 100%

I wasn't talking about procedural music (was just an example) but music that reacts to the gameplay.

It's very easy to see who has never written a single line of code or tried to develop any sort of software (like games) by their absurdly naive views on tech.

Retards who know nothing seem to think that you can just make infinite procedural destructible worlds with human-tier AI if you just want to.

This is the most Reddit picture I've ever seen on this site. I feel like I need a scientist to analyze this image and tell me why it's so fucking Reddit.

>>380912902
>pacman and DOOM are still leagues ahead anything the modern AAA can produce
kys

>>380912831
Dynamic music has been in a tonne of games.


inb4 name 54
Burden of proof. Go play some games instead of shitposting on /v/ and you wouldn't need a list.

>>380911084
"AI in games" cannot be summed up generally, since it's different for every game. How do you know that FEARS's AI is the reason for it being easy?

>>380913000
>can produce
So you know the definite potential of all AAA studios?

>>380913205

The funny thing is FEAR's AI is very simple, they just tailored it and the environments to eachother.
Which is great, that's what making a good video game is all about. Blending all your simple tools together to make a complex seeming outcome.

>>380913476
this.

More complex != better

>>380913464
>he thinks modern games are better because his shinny graphics are better

>>380912831
No Man's Sky did this.

>>380913205
FEAR's AI is considered "smart" despite it only being iirc 3 states that blend well, but the enemies are better than AI which hasn't gotten past the find cover>shoot player>move if he gets too close because they pretend to be smarter than they are.
>>380913634
Less complex != better

>>380911490
That was pretty great. I liked it.

>>380913637
How retarded are you?

>>380914194
>Less complex != better
So the conclusion is that complexity doesn't necessarily affect how good a game is.

>>380914371
modern day FPS are still worse than fucking DOOM (in terms of single player), a fucking MSdos game.

>>380912154
Pac-Man has super simple but effective AI, read up on it.

>>380914463
How so? I enjoyed DOOM4 a lot more than I enjoyed the original DOOM.

Are you implying that there has been no improvements in the FPS genre at all since the original DOOM?

>>380914371
No, it's that complexity shouldn't even be a factor in how good it is, complex or not complex the AI should feel smart

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>>380914559
>mfw reading about pacman AI

>>380914716
not really, most modern enemies in FPS are just the same enemie with a diferent 3D model and just diferent HP.