Now that there are consoles playings games at 4k for less than

30 fps

>>380885572
>buying a shit tier 4k tv
for what purpose?

Just get both. Gainfully employed master race.

>>380885572
>for less than 500 dollars

Well, I suppose $499.99 IS less than $500, but the way you say it sounds misleading.

>>380885572
>controller
>pc gaming

haha

>>380885572
>4k on consoles
More like upscaled 1080p

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>>380885572
We lost sonybros...

>>380885798
Better picture quality more colors less motion blur plus new 4k tvs come with HDR.
>>380885695
>30 fps
Nice meme

>>380886098
How is it a meme? It's true

>>380886098
It's unironically 4k 30 fps, no PC gamer wants to play that shit

>>380885998
Yeah, you CAN play JRPGs, platformers, and emulated games with a keyboard but why would you?

>>380886283
because I can

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>>380885572
PC is the only way to play the original xcom with mouse and keyboard.

Any other reason is just a plus.

>>380886283
>platformers
cave story is made for keyboard my man

>>380885572
>Now that there are consoles playings games at 4k
no there isnt
xbone x doesnt do native 4k and most of the games run at sub 30fps, just like PS4pro

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Look at current benchmarks, the only card to hit framerates that masterrace faggots will accept is the 1080ti, and good luck finding that card anywhere below $600

>>380886321
If that's what you want, man, you do yo.

>>380886469
>There is only one platformer on PC: Cave Story. It is the only platformer on the system and there are no others. If you think there are other platformers on PC you are wrong, for Cave Story is the only one.

>>380886098
you're not going to get the fancy features on a cheap ass $500 TV and you're sure as hell not getting HDR. There's no reason to get a 4k TV unless you're getting a high tier one

>>380885572
>exact same thing (gaming wise)
Is it?
I don't recall having to pay to play online, having censorship restrictions from the ESRB, forced DRM exclusivity, unstable framerate, no modibility, no expandability, no emulation, and not able to use any controller ever on PC.

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>exact same thing
>100x more games
>no online fees
>mods
>better graphics
>more
>better framerate
>cheaper games
>100's of free games
>better controls + more control options
>upgradeable
>backwards compatibility

>>380886701
Those new consoles will not run W3 on ultra at 4k either.

>>380885572
>less than 500 dollars.
Then you pay the inflated prices for games
Then pay the fee for basic online functionality
Then have to buy a whole knew system every "generation".

>>380885572
Upscaled 1080p is not 4k and they still run at like 30 fps.

>>380885695

30 FPS is perfectly acceptable.

Why are consoles still a thing?

Why not just run Office and Email on an Xbox?

>>380885572
Consoles for individual exclusives and dumb normie friends.

PC for literally everything else.

>>380887543
No it's not. I have a somewhat old computer and I turn video options down until I get a solid 60. I'd rather have a smooth experience than laggy eye candy.

>>380887774

A stable 30 FPS just feels... right. 60 FPS makes me feel kind of sick, so I tend to gravitate towards 30 FPS more. It's acceptable in movies, so why not games? 30 FPS should be the standard.

>>380887963
'no'

http://www.30vs60.com/

>>380887963
It's acceptable in movies because you are not in control of anything. Lower fps makes the game feel sluggish.

>>380887963
>A 5/10 girl just feels... right. 10/10 girl makes me feel kind of sick, so I tend to gravitate towards 5/10 girl more. It's acceptable in movies, so why not games? 5/10 girl should be the standard.

>>380888080

Fundamentally, there isn't much of a difference. 30 FPS feels so much better to me. 60 FPS sometimes feels too fast and gives me motion sickness. It is a "better" framerate, but better things aren't always the better option. 30 FPS should be the gold standard.

>>380887963
You've just outed yourself as a peasant with the whole "but 30fps just feels more natural and better"

That's like some idiot saying 1080p > 4k because it just somehow "feels right"

>>380885572
Kind of off topic but what do you guys think is the best gpu on market right now for 200-300 dollar price range? Have an R9 270x and need an upgrade

>>380888395
well then you should go see a doctor
or is it bait?

>>380888374
I just use mouse and keyboard instead, only time i've used a controller for a game was dark souls

>>380886003
Don't forget checkerboarded.

>>380885695
DELET THIS

>>380888395
Do you get motion sick watching out of your window? It's unlimited fps out there.

>>380885572
Is the Xbox One X's 4k really just 1080p upscaled? Any articles on this?

>>380888395
Good luck trying too convince these retards that actually believe 60fps>30fps unironically.

>>380888606

Life is technically in, like, 34 FPS. 60 FPS is simply unnatural.

>4k resolution, decreased texture quality and low FPS
BUT MUH 4K

>>380885998
>>380886283
>>380886321
just plug a PlayStation controller into a USB port and download a driver. You can even use the touch pad as a mouse if you want

>>380888432
AMD are probably better in that price range but I don't know that much about them. 1060 seems to be about that price.

>>380886701
>R9 Fury
>28
I can hit a solid locked 30, and my CPU is from 2010.

>>380885572
Why do kids act like the XboneX being able to output 4k is some amazing thing? I used to run games in 2160p on my old FX 8320 / 290 machine all the time and that's not that much more powerful than the SOC in the XboneX, but also hardly a super powerful machine by modern standards.

I guess its impressive AMD can produce an SOC with graphics that powerful, but we already knew that since their Ryzen/Vega SOC chips will be arriving for PC builders later this year.

>>380888675
What the fuck are you on about? How can life possibly be less fps than a thing that exists in that space?
I hope you are just baiting instead of being a retard.

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>>380888659

>4k* at 30 fps

>>380887963
because movies require no input

cutscenes can be at 30 fps
turn based games can run at 30 fps

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>>380885695
Not to mention how consoles aren't even able to play 90% of all genres, how can people believe consoles are "superior", it's factually incorrect.

>>380885695
fpbp

>>380885998
console fag detected

>>380887576
normalfags and brainlets

>>380885572
Checkerboard 4K. Essentially blurry 2k.

At 30 fps, lmao. And mostly only achieved on HD remaster. Consolefag poorfag remaster race.

>>380889226
?

>>380889447
i play 80% of my games on a controller

>>380889515
That sounds like a personal problem

>>380885572
1080p is still best

I have a pc and a ps4. I don't give a shit about 4k or the xbox one ass.

>>380885572
144hz>4k

Your eyes have not seen the truth yet, friend.

>>380887543
>>380887963
kys yourself

>>380888418
>1080p > 4k because it just somehow "feels right"
It's not the same, I personally think that 4k screen would be too big.

Why do you need more pixels if you don't see jaggies? 4k is a waste of gpu power.

>>380889884
Big? What does size have to do with resolution? Am I being ultra baited??

>>380889061
Is this pic about CK2 or M2TW?

>>380890054
_yes_

>>380890054
pixel density nigger

>>380889772
That shit is much harder to achieve though, and the number of games that can handle it without the engine shitting itself is extremely limited. Not worth the investment desu. Hell, it's not even worth the space the monitor occupies on your desk unless you are a CS addicted valvefag brainlet.

>>380885572
>indies and minecraft at 4k you mean

>>380885572
more control over what you're playing
mods, cheat engine etc - fixing boring, poorly design or grindy parts of any game

No modding
Horrible low FoV made for couch gaming
30 FPS
No choice on controller
Waiting on updates unless you have it on all the time

I'll pass, thank you. My GPU is fine enough for 4k gaming, and yes I have a 4k screen.

>>380890054
You need a big monitor to actually see 4k. You won't notice the difference between 1080p and 2160p on a 24 inch monitor unless your nose is pressed against it.

>>380887963
>you need to go back to /r/eddit

>>380890039
Because of more detail. It's like asking why bother supersampling to 4k when AA gets rid of the jaggies at a lower cost. It's a silly question only people without eyes ask.

>>380885572
I swear we have a thread like this before

Its pretty fucking fucking attrochious that gaming companies would do something this blatant.
And since the majority of the consumers dont know and absolutly could not give a shit this will be the standard.

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>>380890376
>No modding
Now wait just one second pal, have I got a deal for you

>>380885572
4k is a giant meme right now because 4k TVs aren't very widely adopted.

Also consoles trying to keep up with PC hardware is ridiculous and dumb.

PCs have a higher initial cost, but are more futureproof and don't require expensive peripherals or subscriptions. For $700-$800 you can run most games on high with 1080p in 60 FPS. It isn't 4k, but it's better than the 30 FPS you will get on consoles

They don't even make good PC games anymore. All the genres I like are dead and my laptop with integrated graphics can run all of the old games I like.

>>380890448
So you're saying the image can get clearer beyond "no jaggies".

I guess but I doubt it'd be a huge difference.

>>380890175
U wot

Are we talking about the same 144hz here? Because 144hz monitors are typically smaller, not to mention that it's actually easier to achieve than 4k

True it's primarily meant for the competitive FPS games, but the featherweight feeling you get from your input feels like heaven. Heck, it's worth it if you play any first person games period.

>>380885572
>Now that there are consoles playings games at 4k for less than 500 dollars
Where? I don't see any

>>380890645
If I wanted to mod my porn games I would play a superior Japanese game.

>>380890743
This, 1080p 60fps(or more) is fine for a few more years, probably until volta GPU's and next gen consoles.

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>>380886098

It seems as though you're so stupid, you don't realize how stupid you sound. Sorry for your condition. Enjoy being a mouth-breather for the rest of your life. Nothing left to see here. Move along.

>>380885572
Reminder that 4k will be skipped entirely

>>380890806
There's more information to work with at 4k than just averaging pixels to get rid of jaggies, yes.

There is no such thing as perfect 4k gaming both PCs and consoles have major problems

PC if you want stable 60fps $700 1080ti or maybe vega, also no HDR monitors yet and honestly if I'm playing a PC game I want 120+ fps

Both PS4 pro and xboxonex use checkerboard upscaling and dynamic resolution and the equivalent of medium setting

Once you start seeing better monitors and cheaper video cards and that can do 4k/60 or consoles start putting in ryzen CPUs you have to wait for ps5 Xbox two?......

>>380888080
30 looks alright
Nothing wrong with stable 30, it's just what PC fags brag about because they have no games
When consoles reach 60 fps for all games, they will say 60 is NOT ENOUGH and will shill 120 FPS

It's just how it goes

tl;dr
Stable 30 is fine and playable, even tho 60 is better

>>380888606
His basement doesn't have windows.

>>380887543
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>380891232
30 can look alright. It doesn't play alright.

>When consoles reach 60 fps for all games, they will say 60 is NOT ENOUGH and will shill 120 FPS

My "competitive" friends are already shilling me 120fps and 144ghz monitors. "It REALLY DOES make that much of a difference. I don't know how you play without it anon."

>>380888395
Everyone says this, then they actually play 60fps games and can't go back to 30. If you go past the event horizon of 120+fps 30 definitely feels like a slideshow. I said that stupid shit, too, and you will look back and think how silly you were being.

>Microsoft acting like the One X is some kind of major value at $500 compared to a PC

Microsoft are the last people you want to talk about "value for the money"

The Xbox 360 didn't have built-in wi-fi and they charged $100 for an adapter to get it, had paid online, hardware issues, controllers than needed Double A batteries, and double pay-walled video services.

The Xbox One came with Kinect, more Double A controller nonsense, and now they are trying to prod you into getting the S or X

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Difference between 60 and 30 fps.

>>380891501
144Hz monitors are only needed for pro fps and sim racing. It's mostly just a novelty for anything else.

>>380891501
>30 can look alright. It doesn't play alright.
Yes it does
I'm main on PC but I own a PS4
30 fps is fine
Console people aren't retarded tho, they know when fps REALLY matters
All fighting games are 60 fps on consoles for example

>My "competitive" friends are already shilling me 120fps and 144ghz monitors. "It REALLY DOES make that much of a difference. I don't know how you play without it anon."

No shit, consoles are slowly moving towards 60 fps and 4k so PC fags are moving the standard higher

It's pathetic really

>>380891523
So how do I enjoy playing games on my PS4 while I play everything at 60 fps on my PC?

>>380888675
Actually it's 24 FPS because each eye can only see in 12 FPS and 12 * 2 = 24. Obviously this number gets a little more complicated if you factor in blinks.

>>380891818
>>380891921
if you weren't still half a console pleb you'd be used to high framerates

i've been PC only since 2011 and it's impossible for me to play anything under 60 FPS

>>380888080
Should've used this http://30vs60fps.com/

>>380892115
sure

>>380892015
this shit stopped being funny 10 years ago

>>380886701
>below $600
Who cares about money anyway?
If you want the best, it's gonna cost a lot of money. The difference is that with a PC, you have the option to get the best hardware there is.

Also, if a really good gaming PC cost you $25 000 it will probably last at least 4-5 years.

>>380892207
Typical PC bias
Very fast turning is one of the only situations where FPS is really felt, and consoles use motion blur for that
Normal gameplay looks similar, near identical if it's stable if things aren't side by side

>>380885572
4k and price is irrelevant if all you get is still shit.

>>380892481
Yeah, and so did the retarded mindset that our eyes see in FPS.

>>380885572
it depends entirely on each individual, all memes aside PC has the ability to produce some quality games that console just can't do
such as
RTS
MOBA
MMO
ARPG (although D3 proved that they could very well be made with consoles in mind, it just feels more natural on PC)
and loads more pretty much just the RTS genre covers a wide range of games besides the base building stuff like AoE and Starcraft and can go into things like Men of War and Civilization (although Civ isn't an RTS per se but you catch my drift)

On the other hand there really isn't much to consoles besides exclusive games. So you have to know that you like certain exclusives before investing your money into that console.
As for things like platformers and other things that pretty much need to be played on controller you can always plug a controller into your PC and play with that so console doesn't really get the edge there either.

I feel like the console should be owned by everyone and so should a decent PC. The console should be left in the living room for when your buddies, brother or whoever come over you can throw in FIFA, MK or whatever else with some couch co-op but the PC is where you should personally play and tinker since with PC you can do so much more (such Photoshop, Fruityloops, Flash, etc.)

>>380892578
BAIT

sony out jewing people to buy their 4k tv

gud goy

>>380892587
>near identical if it's stable if things aren't side by side
So it looks identical if you don't know what 60 fps looks like? Bravo

Anyone that has played 60 fps for a bit can instantly tell the difference between 30 and 60, unless there is some mental or psychological factor preventing them from doing so.

>>380885572
>>380885695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T85Fshj2eiY

>>380892908
I'm a PC gamer, I only own 4 games for my PS4
I spent almost all of my time on PC playing at 60 FPS

>Anyone that has played 60 fps for a bit can instantly tell the difference between 30 and 60
No they can't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOE2BVRCUkM
Is this 30 or 60?

>>380885572
>>380893002

Xbox One X
>put disc in
>play game

PC
>buy multiple parts that cost $1000 for a decent build
>have to manually put together all the components
>keyboard is uncomfortable and confusing since 95% of the buttons have no input on the game
>you have to replace all your parts every 1.5 years as the graphics cards become worse over time and run worse
>have to install a video game license rental service like Steam
>have to play $60 for recently released games but have no benefits as physical copy
>there are constant updates for games slowing down the chance of playing the game
>games constantly crash and run into compatibility problems
>Nvidia gimps their cards with Gameworks to make you buy their newer hardware
>try to play some indie games but most are uninspired rip offs of older SNES games I played
>try a early access to literally alpha test a game with barely any content and runs poorly
>can't let my friends borrow my games without jumping though huge obsoletes and even then we can't play each others games if the other is playing a different game at the time
>try to play older games from my childhood on N64 and PS2 emulators
>try to plug in my controller to use for more comfortablility but it requires multiple drivers and constantly rebind the controls every time I switch games
>download emulator for them but they take a while to get the right settings and even then the games run poorly and are missing textures and other graphical glitches
>try to play older PC I heard from others but the run into compatibility problems and constantly crashes when tried to play
>try to play a fun looking multiplayer game but the game is filled with hackers and childern and young teens constantly spouting memes
>try to play split screen with my friends but hardly any games supports split screen and is a hassle to set up
>start playing less and less and go on /v/ and shitpost more about games even ones I never even played

>>380892115
>it's impossible for me to play anything under 60 FPS
Dunno, I played whole life on pc and stable 30 is playable, right now I'm playing tomb raider 4, but maybe because it doesn't have mouse support.

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>>380893002
>racing games

>>380891749
60 feels to gamey

>>380893151
He's just a PC master race fag
I'm like you, stable 30 is fine

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>>380893186
>moving the goal post
Nice one Pc fat, now it's time for you to go sign more petition to port PS4 games to PC

>>380893108
>trailer

>>380885695
Ended the thread here

>>380893392
What does that have to do with FPS?
Tell me, if it's so fucking obvious, is that video 30 or 60 fps

>>380893140
>put in around 700
> it will still be more powerful than the PS5
Go back to /r/eddit

>>380893108
Can't tell difference between 30 and 60? what r u, casul?

>>380893140
This is true, I fucking installed w10 and now dark souls 1 doesn't work anymore. Atleast I have the others on console.

There's so many people now going "oh I don't care 30fps is totally okay" to the degree that I'm starting to think at least SOME of them are not just trying to rile me up and it's sickening me.

Fuck you and everything about you, cancer of the video game industry, go get the new dlc where there's an item shop where you can use some gems to preorder a new season pass to shove up your ASS in 30fps you cinematic turbohomos

>>380893140
Nice memes but do some people actually enjoy split screen?

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>>380893559
If you know so much abotu leddit why don't you go to that cancer place?
>put in around 700
>it will still be more powerful than the PS5
PPPPPPFFFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA being this delusional by knowing nothing about the next gen yet

>>380888675
Existance isnt pixels you fucking dumbfuck, humans DONT SEE IN FPS, cant believe you fuckwits actually think people see in FPS fucking hell 20 million years of evolution for this useless waste that people call a human person.

>>380893524
ahhhh
my fucking eyes
why would you do that

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>>380893108
Can you tell the difference in >>380891749 ?

What you posted is a fucking youtube video, it doesn't matter if the original footage was captured at 30 or 60 or 120, on youtube that shit is 30fps. If it were 60 the quality options would tell you so.

>>380893703
A lot of people got butthurt because the didn't get it for Halo 5.

>>380893689
Are you nuts? Most people don't care about 30 FPS, it's only master race PC fags that keep talking about it

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>this entire thread

>>380893493
How about you get some actual in game footage and not a trailer? I mean that's what we're talking about, right? Video games and not video game trailers.

>>380893985
If you don't care about 30 fps then about how many fps do you care about? Because you're going to care after a certain point and for a lot of people this is 60 fps.

>>380893985
Would you rather play a game on a console at 30fps or the same game on pc at 60 fps and better graphics?

>>380893710
>980ti - 300$
>i5 6500 -200$
8GB RAM -50$
MOBO-50$
PSU-50$
CASE-50$

Save this post sweetie this will be more powerful than the PS5 and already is more powerful than the NoGamesbox One X

>>380893909
Of course, I can, it's right one after another and side by side
While I'm playing the game it doesn't matter if it's stable
For example, the god of war video looks great, even tho it's 30

>>380885572
You have to sink too much into a PC before it becomes worth it, for the price that a console is its really not bad for what you spend compared to a PC

>>380894379
PC is always worth it.

>>380893996
So video's don't run in FPS?
Some of you people are unbelievable
>>380894218
Most people prefer playing on console
Dark souls 3 sold more on PS4 alone then on PC for example, even tho it's in unplayable 30 fps

>>380894379
but on console you'll have to pay more for other stuff like PS+ and some extra on games.
and pc has "a bit" more versatility to it

>>380894476
You didn't answer the question. Which one would you prefer?

>>380894645
I dunno what its like in america but here it would cost like a grand minimum to make something remotely decent whereas a new console is like half that
Sure all the little bits ad up a good PC is a much larger upfront investment

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>>380894219
You can barely build anything like the one X at the same price and you think you can build something as powerful as next gen already? PPPPPPFFFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>l than the NoGamesbox One X
It' called "Xbox One X" kid
Time to intall that Windows 10 for microsoft and sign petition to get port from older PS4 games pc fat.

>>380894838
We're not talking about me, but most people
Learn to talk with people
>>380894887
This is so true
I can buy a PS4 and a few games with what it costs me to buy a used midrange GPU

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>>380887963
>/v/eddit falling for obvious false flags
This board is actually pathetic

>>380895039
I wasn't talking about most people. I asked you a question which you seem to be unable to answer.

>>380894915
>You can barely build anything like the one X at the same price and you think you can build something as powerful as next gen already?

that's true for like the first few months before the console releases? and not even then, probably.
I really wonder where you get that impression from

>>380894476
We're talking about video games. Why can't you use actual gameplay footage when it's the most relevant and then complain when others insist you do?

>>380895337
People just hyped after e3.

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>>380885695

Call me when 4k is pushing 120fps consistently and we can talk about upgrading from 1080p. Until then 4k can fuck off.

>>380885695

fpbp
/thread

>>380895196
>unable
Unwilling
You knowing that adds nothing to the discussion and is moving the goalpost

>>380895390
Are you fucking mental? Videos run in FPS, no matter what the video is of

>>380894915
>you're the one who said it cost 1000 dollars for a decent PC
>Nogamesbox One x has a slightly better RX 580 and a trash CPU you're really trying to tell me the PS5 will have more power than a 980ti?
/r/eddit is your new home so you can be with the other drones that eat up that "TRU 4KAY" bullshit faggot
>I have a PS4 because its the only console worth ever buying. Even if the xbox had "TRUUU 4KAY" or at least the power of a 980ti it still has NO GAEMS

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>>380885572
As someone that has -always- owned and gamed on consoles + PC since the early 90s, there are just some game genres that are better on the PC. PC will -always- be superior for:
>RTS / MOBA / CRPG / Anything that requires you to be selecting individual units or targeting specific areas. The mouse is just superior when it comes to fine movements
>FPS / Adventure games because of similar reasons. Essentially click-the-pixel stuff.

The PC is also superior if you want to play, say, a single player game like the Witcher series or Dark Souls or whatever, as you can now easily hook up controllers to your PC since everything is USB (back in, say, the PS2 / GameCube / XBOX era, this wasn't the case).

Consoles are unparalleled when it comes to:
>Wanting to play RPGs or Action games in a "public" setting. Aka you have friends or a partner that enjoys spectating. The controller input is absolutely preferable in these cases (but PCs can use those too now) so the real advantage is not being holed away in your office.

The big advantage of the PC is that you combine your work station with a game station. I know precisely -zero- people that have ever separated the 2 (have a decent PC to work / email / web browse / develop on, and then a WHOLE SEPARATE $1k machine in their living room that is -exclusively- for gaming).

Basically PC is superior, exclusives aside (which is not negligible depending on the IPs you care about), unless you care about being around other people. If you're a NEET in your mom's basement? PC all the way. If you're a grown adult with friends and a partner that enjoy games as well, Consoles have a lot of upside.

/end-debate-forever

>>380895682
Moving what goalpost and how?
I'm assuming your unwillingness to answer the question is that a truthful answer would reveal you a hypocrite.

>>380895730
ofcourse the ps5 will have more power than the 980ti.

>>380893373

All 1 of them? I'm not sure I need Bloodborne that badly.

>>380893140

>>Xbox One X
>>put disc in
>>play game

Except this isn't fucking true at all and hasn't been for the entirety of this generation. It's more like.

>>Put disc in.
>>Install files.
>>Wait 3 hours for files to install.
>>Oops you don't have enough HDD space! Can't install!
>>Navigate through clunky dashboard bullshit UI deleting the 40gbs a bloated ass game needs to install for.
>>Clear up the space, Installing continues....
>>Files installed!
>>...but the game still isn't finished because LOL HAVE TO DOWNLOAD MORE FILES
>>This takes 12-14 hours because Sony and Microsoft cap their download speeds to a pathetic standard.
>>If the console bugs out or your connection gets interrupted or if anything bullshit happens LOL HAVE TO START THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.

Consoles no longer have the convenience they used to. They have all the bullshit of PC without any of the benefits.

>>380885572
The 4k on consoles it not at 60fps, and their game libraries don't span back to the beginning of their consoles.
I can still play Dos game on window 10 because we have backward compatibility, not to mention emulation of all other consoles given enough time.

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>>380895979
really? The console that will probably be at the next E3 will go up to 980ti GPU power when the PS4 edged out the xbox One by a little.

>>380895972
Or I could lie? What's your point
>>380896341
PC has unreliable backwards compatibility

>>380886098
HDR isn't as good as you think it is.
I own a 4K TV and it makes everything too dark.

>>380885572
Have fun with 4k minecraft.

>>380896445
>unreliable backwards compatibility
If you're a retard yea.
If you're not then you can usually find a fix and get it working.

>>380896341
>DOS games on Windows
Yeah if it ran on linux, a game might still work, but early versions of windows? Shit on Windows 95 does not work on Windows 10. Try and install your copy of Oregon Trail 2 or Diablo and see your video drivers shit the bed.

>game
>30fps
i'd rather gouge my eyes out with rusty spoons

>>380893108
its 30, the video is 30 fps only
are you this fucking retarded?

>>380896395
>next E3
That would make no sense at all and if it is that it would just be a "hey guys we're working on it!!"

>>380896445

This is utterly false and you are clearly a console peasant doing major damage control.

>>380896650
I can still play old games on Virtual Machines.

>>380896541
Hey we work really hard on 4k Minecraft...

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>>380896739
My god who wants that hassle... aren't we saying that PC is more convenient now? I don't want to shuffle through setting up VMs just to game.

>>380885695
D
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>>380885572

PC Gaming is better in anyway, the only thing that fucks it up are that it doesn't get much support from japnese Devs. (PS4 exclusives)

>>380896613
Because that's fun, fixing a game instead of playing it

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>>380889772
>>380891501


>he is still on 144hz in the two thousand and seventeenth year of our lord

loving every laugh

>>380887543
If you're watching a theatrical movie.

>>380896870
>patch the game
or
>install VM and load the game

Yeah what a hassle.

>>380896735
You can't prove that, so it's not an argument

>>380895824
>>380895824
>>380895824
this

>>380895824
Nobody cares about any of that
Every game that's mutliplat sells more on consoles

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>>380895730
>it still has NO GAEMS
try again and maybe you should follow him to /r/pcmasterrace.

>>380893140
Literally BTFO the entire thread.

>>380897559
>Normies outnumber NEETs
This is news?

Nothing I said was wrong.

>>380897637
Why does PS4 say partially backward compatibility

>>380885572
>No honey select
>No summertime saga
>No touching feeling

Why the fuck would I buy a console when all the good games are on PC

>>380897836
PC costs more and is a bigger hassle to get games running
It's also harder to build for normies
Again, nobody cares but PC fags about any of it

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>>380897637
>he cares about playing old games because he has nothing new worth playing

>>380897841
PlayStation Now
>>380898084
Old games? If you add olde games than the library for Xbox is 1119 + 361 Xbox 360 games (more is coming ) + all the original Xbox game.

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>>380897984
What? Is a "PC Fag" just anyone that owns a PC and games on it? That's retarded.

PC will always be superior for specific genres, as I stated. Arguing that an RTS is better on a console can only mean you've literally never played one.

PCs -do- get you better performance on multi-plats when you're running the right set up. Also inarguable. Money is subjective. I for instance probably pull down about $2k a week (I honestly don't check the direct deposits anymore). Upgrading my PC isn't an issue, so the question is, when price isn't a factor, why wouldn't you go PC > Console?

The answer is: So that you can remain in the "public" portions of your home. When my wife is making dinner or hanging out in the living room, if I'm on the console, we still interact. We talk, crack jokes. I can hop up and help with things. My office is across the house and I'm much more removed from the happenings in the house when I game on it. Sometimes that's fine, sometimes I like being around people.

That's the single biggest difference, and the biggest argument for consoles centered in the family's living space.

>>380886701
Note that the picture mentions that this benchmark was done on ultra settings (and for some reason with AA)
Usually when people want to play 4k they reduce some other settings to balance the performance out

>>380888640
Just type into Google "Xbox x checkerboarding"

>>380898469
NEVER EVER

>>380895824
>console better if you have friends
PC it is.

>>380898385
>It's another episode of xbox fans defending their console by saying they have games but ignore the point that everyone is talking about games WORTH playing

I see niggerel has found new unbanned ip for shitposting.

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>>380898617
Are you talking about exclusives?

PC has just as many as consoles do. Everything has exclusive titles. That's a conversation about owning more than one device, not Console vs PC. It's a matter of taste (I don't give a shit about mario anymore, so I don't own a Switch for instance).

>>380898851
>PC has just as many as consoles do.
Name 7 that aren't porn games

>>380898469
RTS is dead and FPS is dying thanks to Overwatch ruining the genre even worse than Halo and CoD did before

>>380885572
You don't have to pay for games.
Reverse compataiblity (including consoles like PS2, Wii U)

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>>380888675
>>380888395
>>380887963
>>380887543

>>380898698
There are plenty of them.

>>380885695
You mean 30fps as target framerate. If you're lucky, the games may even reach it if there's not a lot of stuff going on on screen.

>>380887187
Before I sold my PS4 I had about a dozen games, most of which cost $40 or more when I bought them, and most weren't even recently released when I got them. I've spent about the same amount of money but have 160 games, plus 15 free ones in my steam library alone. Overall I've spent more because of the cost of hardware and I splurged on peripherals, but I've gotten so much more value out of PC it isn't even funny. Consoles are mostly good for playing big online games. Bigger player base, fewer cheaters and easier opponents. Exclusives too, but there's so few decent ones that I don't personally think it's enough of a reason. Sometimes I regret selling myPS4 but if I think about it I wouldn't have played it once in the year since I got rid of it.

Because of personal taste I won't say PC is the best or only good platform, but I do think it has the most potential for the value/cost ratio

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>>380899158
>You don't have to pay for games.
No wonder shit like Denuvo exist and less games not coming to PC (not at day one for some of them). Pcbro are only good for pirating games and shill about their $2000 PC that their father paid for them.

>>380899751
Quality > quantity
Fucking peasant

>>380899021
>League of Legends is -hugely popular-
>World of Warcraft -literally- $1.5+ billion/year
>Supreme Commander
>Undertale (if you're a preteen, I hear it was good)
>ARMA
>Antichamber (I've heard the name a lot but never played it)
>To The Moon was well received indie stuff that's PC specific?

Point is they may not be all for you. They're certainly not all for me. But they -exist- and they're popular meaning that there are people that like them.

Just like Sony gets HZD, SotC, Uncharted, Bloodborne...

Nintendo gets Mario, Zelda, Metroid....

Xbox, I don't own, but I imagine they have their own (though Microsoft means that likely have a lot of PC crossover).

>>380899621
>There aren't
>Halo gears all garbage now
>Left with car games
>Sunset Overdrive mediocre at best
>No RPGs
>Even PC can get Nier yet xbox can't
>No souls competitor
>Fable dead
>Cancel the one interesting game Scalebound
>Only catering to normie casual shit with DUDE SHOOTERS LMAO

>>380900030
All garbage that you can run on a fucking toaster
Fantastic list, really showing the power of the master race
>lol on the list
Amazing

Consoles haven't been convenient since the PS2

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>>380900241
>Games that make millions of dollars
>T-t-they're bad. *snicker*

Anon, I think you're autism is showing. Put that shit away.

>>380894219
>i5 6500
you can't be serious can't you?
do you really think stutterlake 4c/4t can surpass consoles?

>>380885695
You mean 5 minimum and 20 on average.

>>380900469
>lol on the list
so this... is the power... of the master race

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>>380899021
>Show me 7 PC exclusives!
>>380900241
>No no no, not those exclusives! Show me triple A games that have 99+ metacritic rating, and are beloved by all of /v/ with no arguments. Only THOSE exclusives count.

holy btfo

>>380900075
Halo 5 has the best multiplayer. Campaign is Ok.
Car games are good if you like them
Sunset Overide was pretty good
There is some RPGs Multiplaform (The best RPG of the decade is The witcher 3) and there is some Jrpg throughout the Backward compatibily, people don't really care about that in the xbox audience or do they?
I got Nier on PC. I doubt the Xbox audience would have care about that game, good enough that it has managed to sell 1.5 million among 60 millions of PS4 and the huge PC audience.
No sould competitor? Who care?
People still care about Fable?
Scalebound was garbade in the all the trailer and it was going to be shit game anyware. People only cared about it when it was cancel and Nier which was from Team B was way more discussed than Scalebound which was by Team B.
OPINIONS indeed. You really showed me anon!

>>380885572
Yes because you can do stuff with a PC that you can't do with a console.

if the xbone x could use mouse and keyboard + windows 10 I would buy it. it's basically a gimped pc as it stands now.

>>380900795
>67 million active monthly users
>It's not a successful game

Who... let you out? Do you know where you are right now? Where do you live?

>>380900551
Anon, you get 60-80 fps with the fricking g4560. Which is more than double that of the consoles. I think you really do not comprehend how amazingly shitty jaguar cores are.

>>380900832
They are exclusives but they're not good looking games, or good games at all
Undertale is also not exclusive

>>380900996
>lol is good when I have to make an argument
So this is the power... of the master race...

>>380900835
anyway*
>Scalebound which was by Team B.
Team A.

so this is the power of console gaming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXRf4Q8A6oo

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>>380901160
They are exclusives, which is the only thing that was asked for when I made that list. Sure -I- don't like them, but someone does. League especially makes -billions- of dollars. To deny that it's a successful game means that you're are literally disabled.

Also is Undertale is, as of this moment, an exclusive. Didn't the announcement that it will be coming to PS4 just occur at E3 last week? You can't get it on any console yet.

Also of course they're not the best looking games graphically. AAA games that cost millions of dollars are OBVIOUSLY going to be multiplat because companies need to pursue every avenue to make that money back. But, -in those cases- a properly made PC runs them better than than consoles (though they obviously do cost more, which again, was something I stated in my first post).

You're basically just showing that you can't read, at this point.

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>>380893678
>still instaling win10

>>380893493
>passive vs active
>responsiveness in addition to visual fidelity
This is how I know you're a retard. You don't even understand the point people in this thread are trying to make. Anyone who has been on PC awhile will hurt when they're forced to play in 30 fps. It's painful to watch but even worse to play.

Take the new Battlefront trailer for instance. At the beginning I thought the video was lagging or they uploaded stuttering gameplay, but I checked and they just uploaded in 30 fps. 30 is fine for cutscenes, though it still looks bad, but as soon as there's a lot of action or fast movement, it turns into a blurry mess

>>380900835
>343 killed halo the campaign was cancer the multiplayer still doesn't touch Halo 3
>Naming multiplats
>Naming backwards compat games because nothing interesting worth playing coming out for you
>You got Nier on PC don't think xbox kids would be interested in it. You proved my point its a platform dedicated to casual cod sport babbies
>Who cares about no souls competitor? Tell that to the ones who got a PS4 for mainly bloodborne like me
>Fable was alright in its time, at least a solid RPG for the Xbone
>Scalebound might've been shit when it released but the fact is it looked interesting and it got canned
> You really showed me by proving you have EXCLUSIVES that aren't from years ago on the 360 worth playing.

>>380901160
>So this is the power... of the master race...
>League of Legends is only a successful game when someone uses it in an argument! KEK! Doesn't matter that it makes $150m a month!

Keep going anon. Please. Tell us how the only criteria for a game to be successful is that you personally like it.

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I like how PCs are supposed to be expensive but you need a 4K tv screen costing more than the console itself to be able to justify your console upgrade.

Of course graphics don't matter anyway right?

Funny shit.

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>>380900551
Lets make a checklist
1. 30 fps
2. Dynamic resolution (aka not 4k)
3. Checkerboard rendering (aka not 4k)
4. 2+3= maximum meme
5. Reduced texture filtering and/or delayed texture loading (digital foundry found it)
6. Mixture of medium-high effects vs ultra on pc
7. Application of TA-AA (aka not 4k, but looks ok)
Now, if you did all of these on the PC you can get "4k" with just a Rx 580 and g4560. In fact, I can play any and all games at 4k 30fps with my rx 480 if settings are set to high. Only in ultra does it fall below 30fps in some games.

>>380895824
The thing is, you can totally run your PC out of your living room. If you're committed to doing that, you can run some HDMI cable and some USB cable for your controller hook-ups.

It's a little involved, but in the end it's cheaper than a console... and it lasts you forever.

The REAL killer with PC is that if the kids want to play Halo and you have work to do, somebody's shit out of luck because you're using the game machine as the work machine (at least in many cases). Consoles are a dedicated machine just for games. And Netflix, I guess.

>>380885572
PC plebs has nothing on console. 6 teraflops, liquid cooled, silky smooth 4k gaming with HDR.

I'll be enjoying my countless exclusives while you PC faggots are crying about the latest driver that fucked your computer up.

>>380902520
>teraflops buzz word
>4k
Good goy

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>>380902371
That was my point. Who does that?

I have known no one ever that set up their house like that. When I lived in an apartment that only HAD a bedroom / living room / kitchen? Yeah I have my PC hooked up to my TV and I gamed on that sometimes and my consoles were exclusive only machines.

That's back to the "If you're a NEET in a tiny confined living space, then PCs usually win".

I however live in a house now, with a family. Running cords through the house is a -repulsive- notion. Only way I could accept that set up is by running them through the walls. The console is just easier.

As I said as well, the real comparison (since most of the modern first world DOES already own personal computers for work and leisure) is whether or not to buy a whole second PC for gaming or a console, when you're talking about wanting to game in your home's public space. Sure it's possible, but no one does it. PC towers are also pretty big to have in your living room. It's just a lot that most people don't want to deal with. (Not to mention Console OS interface is designed to be easy to navigate with a controller. PC in either case would require you to have a mouse and keyboard in your living room and that's pretty not nearly as nice. They're bigger and harder to store out of sight, plus you have to have a clear surface to use the mouse on... just ugh. No thanks)

>>380898469
I fixed the public space issue by getting a really long hdmi cable. Never really use it but I did play Saints Row and some warthunder on the big TV. PC's flexibility is one of its biggest draws for me. I don't know if my solution would work if you were on a different floor or particularly far away. My PC is in a really long room so there aren't any walls in the way

>>380901879
You really showed me with your opinion anon! Don't me too much salty about that BC.

>>380903293
>Oh no a feature thats always been free on PC I'm so le salty xDDDD
Hope the game you want to play is chosen next Anon! don't want to have you wait another month for no reason!

>>380903034
>running cords through the house

Just addressed that here: >>380903031

but as I said: Tiny NEET living space, PC > Console in most cases unless you're not comfortable with all the extra prep stuff PCs require (if a driver is incompatible or wanting to try mods that require load orders and what not).

Full adult man house though? My office right now is... 3 rooms and two hallways (not to mention 3 doors) away from my living room. No way in hell I'm running cables that length unless it's through the walls, but that's so much more hassle than just spending $500 on a current gen console.

PC is best for some people, consoles for others, depending on:
>Their home layout
>IPs they care about
>How much they care about being in a public area (again, if the only person you live with is "mom" then this leans you to the PC side).

They both have their valid cases. I never understand these console-war / pc-master-race threads.

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>>380903528
Not really, it's just a bonus for me. Keep going you entertain me.

>>380903679
I'm glad you have car games and old games to look foward to anon! Aren't you so happy microsoft added backwards compat for OG xbox rather than making a new IP worth a shit?

>>380897637
>Processing power in FLOPS
What the fuck is the point of those numbers. My CPU is shit and my GPU has sub-4 TFLOPS but it's still better than PissPro4

>>380885572
yes
only due to piracy

>>380898084
>being this assblasted by the BC
Lul

>>380903945
Yeah a better car games than GT sport, i will buy it over GT sport for sure. 50% of xbox one users are happy about that while PS4 players like yourself are still being assblasted by it.

>>380885572
>people unironically play games in 30fps
Holy shit, how fucking poor can you be?

it's 2017 you fucking losers, top jej.
Step your bank account up.

Why do consolefags always leave out the fact that they have to buy a TV to see their games?

Monitors are included in build prices and Laptops solve that even further.

Your "500" dollars isn't 500 dollars. A non-shit tier Tv is at least 200 more.

>>380904425
>having the illusion I give a fuck about CAR GAEMZ
>having the illusion I don't have a PC and get every title you will
>WEW

>>380904564
It's an axiom of the home.
Home's already have TVs, at least in 99% of first world homes. Just like homes already have personal computers for work / communication / development purposes.

The conversation is always: What extra shit do you need to add for gaming to be possible.

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Better install Windows 10 and Buy them on the Xbox app then. BC might be coming for PC too since you're that mad to keep shitposting about it.

>>380904841
>>380904634

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>>380904431
Some games are locked on 30fps.

>>380904904
the shit is suppose to represent every xbox exclusive right now correct?

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>>380904564
Do you buy a monitor every time you buy a console/upgrade your rig?

It does not cost twice as much to build a computer to run multiplayer games at 30fps 4K

You dipshits seem to think PC gaming isn't worth it unless you pull twice the frame rate for the same amount money

How fucking stupid can you be?

That's not how technology or the economy works

>>380905181
>multiplayer

*multiplatform

>>380905156
You can't see? It's called "Windows 10" an OS.

>>380891921
Because you enjoy shit

>>380893140

This is the reason I sold my graphics card and switched almost exclusively to console.
I'm just done with the shit PC ports.
PC gaming is almost entirely a graphics sinkhole.
Sure games can and usually do look better on PC than console, but the technical headaches kill it for me.
I don't have the free time to comb through forums to figure out why x game is lagging for no apparent reason or why y games character textures are so bad despite having the graphics cranked all the way up.
"Stupid c-console pleb! why don't you j-just download the mod to fix it? all you have to do it *10 step process to "fix" a game and cause 2 more issues*"
And to all you PCF-a-t-s who say console is just a complicated as PC gaming now: just because you say something enough times doesn't make it so.
Yeah, you have to install the game on modern console.
Yeah, patching is common
But all the time that ive had to wait on a patch to download or a game to install pales in comparison to the time I've spent searching, trying, searching again, troubleshooting, and experimenting to sometimes just get a game to not crash on startup.
And don't get me started on all the games that are either released broken on PC and never fixed or the ones that have become nearly unplayable because they were only really compatible with operating systems from the last decade.

>>380906395
"I don't care about games. I only care about muh 144fps and 4ks."

Get back to your dickgirl modded Oblivion, you smelly pc_f_a_t.

PC has free online and the games aren't online are free, so yes. The extra cost pays for itself.

*Now that there are consoles playings games at upscaled 1080p with checkerboarding and low graphics settings at 27fps with stuttering and frequent drops to 15fps and below for less than 500 dollars. Is it still worth building a pc that does plays at native 4k on high settings with a good framerate (gaming wise) but would cost you twice as much?

fixed that for you

>>380907235
>I don't have the free time to comb through forums to figure out why x game is lagging for no apparent reason or why y games character textures are so bad despite having the graphics cranked all the way up.

Psh that's so rare and quick, it's far less time than what you'd spend wasting struggling to get past parts of games because of shittty low or unstable framerate

>>380907235
>And don't get me started on all the games that are either released broken on PC and never fixed or the ones that have become nearly unplayable because they were only really compatible with operating systems from the last decade

You mean literally no games from this decade?

Lmao is this dude even for real?

>>380907750

That is straight up bullshit.
And please, glorious PC-f-a-t emissary, what games on console are impossible to get through because of low unstable framerates?

It depends totally of what you want.

You want a put a disk and it work

or you want the flexibility of customising the features you want (FPS vs resolution or just the 2)
but you have to learn about having your pc running with the pieaces, compatilibity, know where to buy pieces so you can buy smartly ,drivers, avoid bottle necks, and other stuff to keep your computer running the best possible way.

>>380907972
>can't remember the last time I needed a fix for a non Jap game on PC
Hmmm almost like its an occurring theme

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45fps should be the standard for console games that cant do 60 even 40fps feels so much smoother and better.

>>380893002
Racing doesn't count, it's hilariously easy to do higher resolutions. They remove or downscale the textures In the direction you aren't looking. In dirt rally you can do 8K 15 fps.

>>380907235
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

It took me well over 3 hours combing through forums just to fix the stuttering issues I had on the Witcher 3 on my PC. I would gladly do it all over again for 40 hours over playing it on my PS4 with Godawful framerate that can never be fixed.

>>380909976

what is 60hz refresh rate

>>380910215

30fps is godawful?

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>>380885572
>Now that there are consoles playings games at 4k

>4k
>60fps
>No antialiasing
>No anisotropic filtering
>low-res shadows
>solid lighting
>blurry reflections
>no post processing
>no ambient occlusion

wow so amazing 4k 60fps. gasp.

>>380910571
Yes, especially when I can get 60. It look a long time for them to even get it at a "stable" 30 on PS4. And don't get me started on Godawful loading times.

>>380907972
i didn't say parts were impossible, actually I guess most games are designed for console and are just even easier at 60fps

And the time I save not dealing with failing or dying because of unstable or shit framerate is more than I spend troubleshooting by far

>>380910732
>15-25fps
fixed

>>380910215
>It took me well over 3 hours combing through forums just to fix the stuttering issues I had on the Witcher 3 on my PC.

Wtf?

>>380910732
>upscaled checkerboard 1080p
also fixed

>>380909976
Most TVs are 60hz so 45fps would either result in extreme stuttering or extreme screen tearing. I would argue 30fps is better than 45 for this reason, but neither is as good as 60.

>>380911132
Ye

>>380887576
For fun games like smash bros and such

>>380912947
>fun
Meaningless buzzword.

>>380892698
Best post ITT, couldn't have said it better myself. I'm saving this for future use.

>>380892698

/thread


...did i do it right?

Yeah

>>380886098
>less motion blur
It's ok, the consoles add in at least 75% more before they checkerboard and upscale their 1080p so you get a 5 o'clock shadow smooth 30fps.

>>380888395
>gives me motion sickness
Most people get that at lower fps, see a doctor

>>380885572
just have both, you can have both even if you are a poorfag if you just save your fucking money its not hard at all christ

>>380914578
>30fps

I wish.

psh, 4K? Fucking plebs, PC is already on 8K, get with the times

>>380914853
Or rather unstable fps.

>>380899031
RTS is more niche but it's doing fine.
You're a blithering idiot to thing FPS is dying. Yes we get it, you hate overwatch cause it's super popular and you likely suck at it. But there's still plenty of fps games being put out. The genre is far from dying.

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>>380888339
Good analogy, anon.