https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/16/15819680/bungie-destiny-2-the-darkness-luke-smith-interview-e3-2017
Can someone honestly explain to me why Bungie is so shit now
>>380862443
you're not 13 anymore
You think this is some new, video game exclusive practice? A shit tonne of hollywood writers do the exact same, they introduce new plot threads in the last act to escalate the story and add more stakes with no intention of expand upon it unless a sequel gets green-lit, same with books etc.
I'm not endorsing it, but it's so incredibly prevalent in the industry that it's not even worth getting bothered by it unless you want to get triggered every single day.
>>380862443
>now
The entire Halo plot was a farce anon. And so was Oni before it. And Marathon.
They basically imagine cool shooting sections, design great characters, interesting guns, cool vehicles, and then they write the glue that holds it together. And they're good at glue. Usually.
People that have an interest in the story of any of those is a retard. That's why Halo is bombing now, even the fans realize the story doesn't hold together co
>>380862647
>time moves forward
fuck
>>380862443
Because none of the original Bungie employees are even working at the company any more.
Even the music composer left.
None of these people worked on the Halo games they're Bungie in name only.
>>380862443
Why is bungie so incompetent?
>>380863108
Nah, Halo had a cool story in the first 4 games.
>>380862443
I just read The Darkness and got my hopes up...then i realize it's just about some EA garbage.
>>380862443
happens all the time dumbass,its only plot device
>>380863473
The individual scenes were great, the overall story was shit. Yet the fans eat it whole. Just look at the Halo wikis, it's fucking laughable, Star Wars grade.
Since 343 picked it up, they made it a point to follow the story more than the games. See how that's working for them.
>>380862443
And?
The Darkness doesn't really need defining nor does the light
And first of all it is defined it's esoteric and philosophical as fuck meaning that everybody has their own interpretation of what it is
From a simple law that everything must be opposed
To literal evil
To an invading mega swarm of aliens
To the universe being a simulation and our matrix overlords saying "What does this button do?"
To a force of nature because life refuses to be limited by it's limitations
To stop thinking about it and just fight it you jackass it wants to bite off your dick what the fuck are you doing nigger?
Jesus Christ I know this shit and I don't even play the game you fucking idiots
>>380862443
everything good about Halo came from the Marathon team
and the few remaining members were gone after halo 3
>>380863473
>first 4 games.
>4 Games
I hope you mean Halo 1 to Halo reach with that one Anon
>>380863473
If you're 8
>ITT: Western Storytelling Cucks who need everything explained to them
Yet you faggots love souls games
>>380863848
>and first of all it is defined it's esoteric and philosophical as fuck meaning
No, they said
"We need a bad guy, so lets just do darkness, people don't like darkness. And the Powers of the darkness...ah fuck it who cares, just have it do Space magic."
>>380862443
Corporate takeover by Activision execs, they tried to fire marty and forced the other old bungee management to quit. They're the reason destiny's plot is so shallow and schizophrenic.
>All the cool grimoire lore is being thrown out for some Marvel action scenes
>Normies will think this makes the story better
>>380864520
>All the cool grimoire lore is being thrown out for some Marvel action scenes
Source?
And Lorefags are a dying breed for a reason they're too autistic to appeal to
It's also why RPGs keep failing
>>380864767
This is what brainless really believe
>>380864767
http://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2-will-not-use-grimoire-cards-to-tell-its-story/
>>380864520
>implying literally anyone actually read those things
>>380864842
Nigga I'm a 40k fan if there's anything I know it's lore fags and autism
There will never be a 40k game to appeal to them because it would cost way too much money, even more autism by the developers, Or the return wouldn't be worth it
>>380863323
this is the actual answer
the creative lead of Destiny was in journalism 10 years ago
Pretty sure Jason Staten had written a shitload for Destiny but like 80% got nuked.
>>380864889
>Bungie says "we want to put the lore in the game."
>"The answer to that question [about Grimoire Cards returning] is 'no,' and the reason it's 'no' is because we want to put the lore in the game," he said. "We want people to be able to find the lore. All the story is told through the Adventures, it's told through the characters in the world, it's told through the campaign, and it's told through scannables you find throughout the world."
Kudos on you getting thrse awsholes information that's good by presenting it as bad
They sold out. There is no explanation other than that they realized how easy it is to squeeze cash out of people based on their reputation, shiny graphics and loot. Just look at the game itself, the entire game, multiplayer and everything revolves around grinding for gear, until said gear gets trumped by new dlc gear, so you have to buy the dlc. In order to play the full game from launch, you need to pay at least 160$ (60$ from the vanilla game excluding all the "special editions" that are fucking expensive + 35$ for the season pass + 40$ for the Taken King + 25$ for Rise of Iron)
>>380865165
Joseph*
>>380863323
>>380865102
Not even remotely true, over half of the people who worked on Halo 1 are still there. Most of the people who left are artists and testers. Why do people make claims like this without even bothering to check if it is true or not?
Lets not kid ourselves here nobody, even from, still have any idea about what the abyss or the darkness is
>all these plebs excusing shit storytelling ITT
>these are same people who think the Arbiter wasn't the best part about Halo 2
>>380865165
His original story was complete shit, it was thrown out for a reason.
But... They did? They had concept art for another alien faction that's not in the game which thematically opposed The Traveler/Light in almost every way?
Fuck, in-game they even made it sound like it was just an anti-Traveler the Hive and Fallen worship.
>>380865289
then why is a podcaster making their fucking design decisions
>>380865165
>follow the link to read article myself
>follow another link
>this pops up
That's enough video game journalism for the month again.
>>380865730
Shit really? Source?
>>380865730
>>380865802
Luke Smith was the lead on Vault of Glass, absolute best piece of content Destiny has ever had. He was also the lead on Taken King, the best expansion Destiny ever had. Who cares about his lack of credentials or nonexistent qualifications if the guy delivers results?
>>380865289
And the lead writer (Joseph Staten) and Marty fucking O'Donnell.
>>380865553
Post the script.
I mean, you've read it, right?
How else could you know it was shit.
>>380865802
just look up Luke Smith
he was a news editor at Ziff-Davis, used to do WoW podcast in addition to 1UP Yours before he got picked up by Bungie
he's also a spiteful asshole which explains all of the shit-tier antifun patches those games churned out before actual fixing problems
>>380866034
Playtesters leaked an outline of the original story shortly after the game came out. Bungie went out of their way to deny other rumors/leaks, but never mentioned this one at all. So it is probably legit.
>>380866102
Isn't that the guy who was complaining about we weren't playing the game how he intended?
>>380866321
That's honestly better than the nonsense we got, nothing is explained at all in Destiny.
>>380866364
has to be, yeah
that's why the fixed knocking Atheon off the ledge despite how fucking great it was
why would a halo-like game ever have sandbox solutions to problems?
>>380862443
Valve also doesn't know who the G-man is.
Everybody does this, OP.
Just enjoy the current beauty of the game.
>>380866551
No, nothing is far better than garbage in the case of a game series that is going to be iterated on. If your story foundation is complete shit, you are screwed because where do you go from there? Nothing at least gives you freedom to go in any direction.
>>380863108
People also don't realize that video game companies are business companies. Writers, programmers, directors, managers come and go.
The main writer (or writers) of Halo 1 might not have been there for Halo 2.
The next main writer for Halo 2 might not have been there for Halo 3.
The next main writer for Halo 3 might not have been there for Halo 4.
The next main writer for Halo 4 might not have been there for Halo 5.
Now, the main Halo 5 writer will probably not be there for Halo 6.
This is why stories become inconsistent and so contradictory as time passes.
>>380866102
Luke Smith was also responsible for the shitty Prophet of Truth re-characterization we got in Halo 3.
>>380866321
I am aware of this leak, my problem with the post is that this leak has just enough info to show the original story was a cohesive whole, unlike the story Destiny launched with, yet doesn't contain any elements that point to it being shit.
So unless there is a full script somewhere, that is garbage, there is no reason to claim Staten's story was trash.
Halo was always shit Lmao. Destiny is the only good thing that ever happened to them.
>>380867251
Going with the painfully obvious choice of the Traveler being ebil is enough for me to know it was really bad.
>>380867179
How? He was only a community manager back then.
it's the Flood
>>380867179
Fuck off, he didn't even start working for Bungie until a few months before Halo 3 came out.
>>380862647
>>380863260
>2012 was 73 years ago
>>380863108
>Oni
goddamn that was a kickass game
I downloaded a hi-res texture pack of it and played it several years ago.
>>380867925
the worst part is that the world didn't end
>>380862443
>THE BLACK GOO OF WESTERN UNORIGINALITY
kys
>>380863570
I know your feeling brother.Proper remaster of The Darkness 1 never and The Darkness 3 never ever
>>380868454
>THE EASTERN GOO OF UNORIGINALITY
Kys