>SFV gets 16 fighters at launch >WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH

First game in a new series. How hard is it to understand?

Never played arm before. I think the multiple weapons might make up for the character limit. Not sure.

>>380783841
I rather have 10 different unique characters than 6 clones of Ryu and the same 10 underpowered sluts that have been cloned since alpha2.

Because each fighter also has a bunch of arms they can mix and match.

>>380783841
>no Little Mac guest character with ridiculous spring arms

>>380783841
Cause Street Fighter has a shitload of established characters to draw from.

>>380783841
Each fighter can unlock 9 pairs arms. So 90 for a new IP. Soinds good to me.

>>380783841
One is a fighting game and the other one isn't, why would they be treated the same?

>>380783841
It's okay when Nintendo does it.

The Arms that ARMS take its namesake from are mix and matchable gloves with different abilities, and every character can eventually have access to all of them, so with the characters own stats and abilities added to all those mix and matchable arms, it's a little more complicated than just 12 static characters, even with only 10.

>>380784158
Arms has an infinite amount of brand new characters they can come up with.

It didn't get a free pass, it got bad review scores. The real thing that seperates ARMS from SFV is that it's going to get free DLC updates, whereas Capcom has been selling multiple season passes.

Say it with me

IT'S OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT

>>380783841
Does SFV have an ass as sublime as that? I don't think so.

>>380783841
New IP.

SF has a history of having big roosters and have a large number of characters to draw from, and every past character thet isn't in has its own fanbase that fell ignored and act pissy as result.

>>380784064
That's not even what happened with the SFV roster tho

>>380783841
street fighter 5 removed beloved characters and also ended up releasing (butchered versions) of many of them behind a crazy paywall, extra if you want costumes, too.

arms is a new game with a decent roster and further customization.

The difference is that actual fighting games have more than 30 minutes of gameplay.

lmao watching dsp play this game is hilarious
>doesn't use ninjara's teleport at all this entire grand prix
>WUT HE PUNCHED THROUGH MY THROW
>I JUST WHY DIDNT I DODGE

>>380784142
Good. Let the new property stand on its own two hands.

>>380784764

>>380783841
>SF1 has 1 character
>SF2 has 8 characters

>>380783841
for a new series?
SF2 had 8 fighters

you know what else had 11 fighters?
Blazblue CT

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>>380783963
First post best post

>>380783841
Arms is a new IP while Capcom presents Street Fighter as THE fighting game.

Switch has zero good exclusives so they need to pad it out

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Quality > Quantity

USF4 ended with 30+ characters
>SFV starts with half that

Literally the only good thing SFV did was allow the characters to be earned instead of having to pay for them, but they arent bringing that back for Infinite so I guess they didnt learn anything and are going to continue being shit tier developer, only shitting out something decent like RE7 and Dragons Dogma once in a blue moon.

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>>380784764
>SF has a history of having big roosters

>>380783841
its a party game not a fighting game

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>>380784764
>>380784903
oops

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Persona 4 Arena had 11 characters too, with 2 DLC characters as Day 1 DLC and no one said anything.

People are shitting on ARMS for being different and better than traditional fighting games.

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>>380783841
>Comparing a fifth installment game to a first installment
If anything, you should mad at sfv for decreasing their roster dramatically.

>>380785106
Leghorn's footsies game was too strong. I'm glad he hasn't been in a mainline game since Alpha 3.

>>380785154
Damn you mean Black Canary looks like THAT?

>>380783841
I don't understand people who want bigger roster! or more factions! in games.

Company of heroes 1, the best game I have ever played, was perfectly balanced between 2 factions until they decided to release two more factions and perma fucked the multiplayer from it.

>>380783841
nintendo gets a free pass here.

>>380783841
Street Fighter has been building its roster since the 90s. The last Street Fighter game had like thrice the roster.
This new game in the series has more characters than Street Fighter 2.

>>380783841
I'd buy it if bayo was in it

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>SFV releases
>barebones
>garbage gameplay
>rightfully shitted on

>Overwatch releases
>barebones
>garbage gameplay
>wins multiple GotY awards

>>380784879
Damnit Carlos.

>>380785243
Well, a fighting game with only 1 or 2 characters would get boring really quick, unless you give them a crazy amount of customization (but then it just becomes a make-your-own-character game)

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>>380784647
Laughed.

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>>380785234
???
Yeah, what else would she look like?

>>380784945
CT had twelve characters and most new IPs have more than that these days.

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>>380783841
Its a matter of a brand new fighter series, so no one knows what to expect, as opposed to a series with MANY installments where people wanted (X) character to return.

>>380783841

More like

>Nintendo "fighter" so nobody cares

>>380783841
Probably because SF has fuckload of characters thanks to it's long history, and traditional gameplay which allows for many variations based on particular character's strengths.
ARMS on the other hand is new game with (probably, no fighting expert here) no past to jump off. Should it prove to be successful enough to make Ninty make ARMS 2, it will be expected to have more characters at launch, with all existing ones available as well (minus universally disliked or broken in some way).

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>>380785452

>barebones

The game was literally complete by the time public betas went out, but sure, have a (you).

>>380785154
>>380785634
How do you go from MKX to this in just two years? NRS improves fast.

>>380785672
12?
shit, maybe i missed one, but im trying to remember now

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Persona 4 Arena had more characters than ARMS in its first entry
Injustice had more characters than ARMs in its first entry
etc...

There really is no excuse. This is a low-budget title with simple gameplay. There's little reason why couldn't make a 20 character starting roster.

MOBAs make a new character in 3 weeks, full moves, animations, balancing, etc...

>>380785829
Not him but both had barely any content and had as much depth as a kiddie pool. Don't defend that shit man

>>380783841
>>380785754
You mean Nintendo's new party game?

>>380783841
Because they had to lock half the roster so they could have "free updates" to give back to you so they can pretend to be supporting the game after launch

>>380785901
They heard the criticism about their characters' faces after MK9 and MKX. That's really all I can think of, because people hammered them HARD about how bad shit looked in those games and Injustice 1.

>>380785672
Correct. Every new series ASW makes has at least 12 characters in the starting roster. 12 is the lowest acceptable point for fighters. ASW's entire company is only 100 people.

>>380783963
BlazBlue Calamity Trigger was also the first game in a new series, and it also got heavily criticized for starting with just 12 characters.

How is DSP doing, how much has he bitched about controls

Smash Bros. started with 8 (12) and it was good.

>>380786014
Ragna, Jin, Taokaka, Tager, Litchi, Arakune, Rachel, Hakumen, Nu, Bang, Carl, and Noel.

>>380786304
The first Guilty Gear had 10 characters, not 12, and Skullgirls was released not too long ago with 8 characters on its starting roster. Most new series start with something in the 12-15 range, though.

>>380783841
But people ARE criticizing ARMS for the lack of content. You're doing it right now you delusional faggot, it's like the #1 complaint.

And as >>380783963 said, due to Street Fighter being a pre-existing franchise, it already has characters to work with (how many newcomers in SFV for example?), and due to its previous entries, it's set the expectation for more characters.

I'm not even trying to defend ARMS nor do I have anything against SFV, this argument is just incredibly stupid for dozens of reasons.

>>380783963
Is there ever a first game in a franchise for fighters with a big roster?

>>380783841
>first game in series
>less focus on characters and more focus on combining different arms
>having 20+ characters can potentially more likely lead to some being trash and 2-3 being OP and the only ones pros pick (assuming this finds a competitive scene)

11 is enough I think...

>>380783841
SFV reused assets from previous games and just touched them up

I'm serious, it's not even a joke, you can see it in the animations

>>380786108
The map content is lacking but the hero count is just fine

>no depth
Thats wrong

>>380785901
It's called listening to feedback and improving. Very few studios actually do this.

>>380787046
fuck, i forgot tao now that i remember

>>380784064
SFV has all of three shotos and one former Doll.

>>380786309
And it was unjustified then too.

The real problem with CT is that it was one of the most unbalanced fighting games of all time

>>380787175
not really, nobody here plays fighting games to know that though

don't even bring up marvel games, those are frankenstein spriting material

>>380783841
Because Arms is pretty much a completely different fucking genre as it is. Not to mention SF5 had almost no fucking content to begin with, battle lounges were shit, and any character that isn't top 5 is pretty much unplayable trash because of the simplified way the game works.

Not to mention shit like colors were behind a paywall, titles were behind a paywall etc. The Guilty Gear demo had more content than the entire SFV GAME did at launch. Couple this with shit netcode, terrible balance, delayed deadlines and the roster looks even worse. Sure it's the first iteration, but with as little mechanics to explore as this game gives you'd think they'd give more characters.

>>380787046
>>380786517
Please stop citing fucking series that started in the 90s when standards for fighting games were completely different.

Skullgirls got REAMED for only having 8, so much so they made a huge deal for the rerelease when it bumped it up ot 12 or 15.

>>380788102
ARMS is not in a different genre. ARMS is a damn fighting game.

>>380788537
Skullgirls got reamed because it's 3 vs 3 out of characters. One match literally contains 80% if the roster.

Never mind all the character designs suck except Double.

>>380788537
Killet Instinct 2013 started with 6.

>>380788537
And skullgirls sucks. Smash meanwhile was carefully constructed to be one of the most fun games of all time. I doubt Arms will be even close to that good, but it's Nintendo so people give them the benefit of the doubt.

>>380789146

Blazblue got reamed for having 11 characters back then.

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10 characters is fine, but it should be 60 dollars. Should be $40.

That's the problem with fighting games these days, they don'y actually contain the value they market themselves for
>b-but learning the characters is the value
Yes and no. If you have more variety of characters to learn, then you are justified in charging more, but if you have only 6-12 and nothing else you really shouldnt be charging full price and then also charging for season passes. Mortal Kombat and Injustice skirt around this by offering tons of content besides characters so regardless if you're a casual button masher or someone who wants to take it seriously, it still feels like you got a good deal.
>>380789345
KI is free to play and cost 20 dollars for all characters as well when it launched. Each season cost 20 until you have 60 dollars worth of content. Killer Instinct's model is what fighting games should strive for, tweaks here and there are fine, and I dont expect fighters to become free to play, but KI handled it's content well.

>>380789345

Is there any aspect of Killer Instinct that wasn't laughed out of the room when it first came out ? The game only started gaining traction halfway through season 2, the community was tiny as fuck before.

>>380783841
Having a starting 16 roster was the last of SFV launch problems.

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>>380789510

>smash 64
>carefully designed

>>380789767
People were hating on it but I think it was just console war bullshit. S1 was still fun.

>>380789757
>>380790505
>other KI fans
Glad I'm not the only one.
Anyone calling Season 1 KI a full game is an idiot. It was essentially early access.
By the end of Season 2, it was a good game. Not just because the character count was bumped to 18, but because the trash developer (Double Helix) left and a good developer (Iron Galaxy) replaced them.

>SFV's launch roster has 4 new characters
>ARMS' launch roster has 11
I don't see the problem here

>>380783841
It's not a fighting game for one

>>380783841
You don't get disconnected in ARMS

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>>380790837
In my opinion by the end of S2 that was the peak of the game, S3 added some good balance stuff like combo breakers no longer causing knockdown but I just didn't like the characters added and a lot of the continued balance changes were questionable. S1 wasn't bad but it was a little janky and DH weren't that great about responding to their fans like IG did, but I think overall I enjoyed it more than S3 as well.

>>380783841
because people expect it to be kiddyshit shovelware

>>380783841

Arms characters seem pretty balanced so far and its a new series.

I'd rather have a small balanced roster then a large once with clear tiers on whos OP and who you should never bother touching.

>>380787175
Injustice

>>380791235
S3 suffered because IG had two major things to work on that season which were the PC port (which still has some issues) and Shadow Lords (a HUGE undertaking, and the best part of offline play). I don't have a problem with the characters, even if there were a decent number of guests because we ended up getting 3 more characters anyway, including FUCKING EAGLE.
Given how shoestring the KI budget has been since S3 and how IG's CEO is a literal Sony shill and they're branching off into their own AAA game(s), I expect the end of support for KI very soon.

>>380783963
FPBP
>>380787175
this too

>>380791235
>>380791698
Also, DH put a decent foundation but I imagine the game would be significantly better had IG been the ones originally developing it. Thank god Ken Lobb was involved.

>>380791698
Adam Boyes hardly has a sony boner since he left. I just really hope we get a sequel soon, but I don't know who they would get to make it. Lab Zero would be a pipedream since MikeZ really wanted to make the game and had thought up multiple ways to work out combo breaking but Lab Zero sure takes their time and I don't think MS wanted that.

>>380786042
Anon, those come from franchises with existing characters. This is a new IP completely so it doesn't start with that sort of thing.

>>380786042
If arena was only allowed P4 characters, it would only have 8 anon, 10 if you count the character made for the story. but they pulled from pre existing games.

>>380787828
Yep. CT was fucking dogshit. I can't believe it took them so many games just to get the balance to an acceptable state.

I'm just glad that with Capcom pushing for the DLC model this means other fighters will follow suit so Arcsys can't release 9 different versions of the same game.

>>380793157
>Arcsys can't release 9 different versions of the same game
>implying that will stop them
They release a sequel every 2 years instead of every year now. It helps but it's still a fucking problem.

>>380787175
Depends what you consider the first game in a franchise to be.

MvC started with a good bit of characters, and some of the individual DBZ fighting game series had tons of characters for their "first" game.

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>>380785901
Well, Raven was actually meant to be ugly. No real excuse for the others, though.

>>380783841
>Arms
>Has a Arcade mode at launch
>Free DLC
>SF5
>Still no arcade mode since lauch
>new Characters are behind in game money or automatically unlocked with a season pass
>2 SEASON PASSES

>>380791372
yeah injustice is a rare one but its probably due to the comic line up.

>>380794108
And also since MK and Injustice borrow some elements and moves from each other. Injustice wasnt designed from the ground up.

>street fighter has a history of characters people care about
>arms is new and has no such expectations attached to it

Think about it you fucking idiot.

>>380783841
>SFV
>a game in a series that's been around for years
>Arms a brand new IP confirmed to get new characters for free down the line where other fighters make you pay a shit ton for DLC characters
You're a moron.

>>380783841
Nintendo always gets the pass. Remember Splatoon? Barebones as fuck. They release free DLC after words to patch it up and they look like a saint. Same thing happening here.

>>380793616
What the fuck. Why does she go from being cute to man-faced?

>>380795103
Trigon.

>>380795029
>m-muh console war
Go play some video games, fag.

>>380783841
see
>>380794839

>>380795209
I own the Switch you fag, it's the truth deal with it.

>>380783841
Switch owner here. Arms is boring and I don't care about it. That's why I don't say anything about the roster of samey characters who are made even more samey by the unlockable arms.

It's OK when Stinktendo does it.

>>380783841
>New game
>all future updates are free
>not traditional fighter

vs

>legacy game
>all updates not actually free
>traditional fighter with a legacy of over 20 years
>ignores 20 years of legacy and throws entire legacy community to the curb to appeal soccer moms

>>380793419
Half of MvC's roster was ripped from Marvel Super Heroes and Alpha anyway.

>>380783841
Its fucking Nintendo.
They can do no wrong to these faggots.

>>380785042
>quality
>arms

Damn I love shovelware with waggle gimmicks

>>380795502
dreamcast owner here, Arms is fun and I care about it. That's why I will say anything about the roster of different characters who are made even more different by the unlockable arms

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>>380783841
doesn't arms let you change the types of punches you can do from a number of different choices. each characters have their special abilities yeah, but that doesn't mean you can disregard the different punches either

>>380783841
It's a mediocre waggle game the inevitable second one will expand on it

>>380787175
Well how many is needed to be considered "big"?
im going to say 14

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>Pic Related was the first in its series and had 13 characters in 1990.
WTF get it together nintendo!