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>>380782997
FFTA

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SKY PIRATE SHIT

PENELO CAMEO WHERE SHE GOES UP 2 CUP SIZES

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FFT, 50 Years War prequel.

>>380782997

>Holding the setting hostage

I give up. Nothing good ever came out of this kind of thing.

>>380783413
It's been over a decade and it's the second best one, quit your bitching.

>>380782997
>What would a spiritual successor look like?
A completely linear game with a story that focuses on retarded pseudo-philosophical nonsense and has exactly zero challenge due to allowing the player to grind indefinitely. In other words, just take your run off the mill Japanese SRPG, call it FFT2 and nobody will notice anything.

>>380782997
>What would a spiritual successor look like?

We don't need a spiritual successor, we need a proper 3D style of this game. I have put together an idea of what that would look like:

Fully 3D, with rotational cameras. Battles are a mixture of real time and "turns". You can stop at any time and order units around and they'll do it.

Example: Order Unit A to the 2nd floor of a building, sit by the window and hit enemies with a cross bow. Unit B is ordered to to guard the base of the building to prevent anyone in. Battles then resume in real time, and they follow AI until told to change. You can control any particular unit at a time, and your perspective changes with them. You are limited to what the characters can see or have seen, and there's a "fog of war". You can during pausing switch to an overhead view showing the placement of your units.

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>>380784493
>and it's the second best one,
Why not make it from the best one then?

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>>380782997

I don't know but FFT is the best final fantasy as well as one of the best games of all time, with an incredible story and cast. Let's hope they don't ruin it if they make a sequel.

pic related, goat protagonist.

>>380784989
Autism is a hell of a drug

>>380784260
I like this

SRPG bread?
I like Tactics Ogre more
Currently playing the first Disgaea and it's fun

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I'd be 100% down for a Gambit FFT

Have there been any good SRPGs recently? I'm craving one.

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>>380786040
>Have there been any good SRPGs recently?
Plenty, unless you're a weebcuck. In that case SRPGs are dead, Japan has no clue how to make actually good SRPGs.

>>380786683
I've played Xcom and Banner Saga. Divinity doesn't really scream SRPG to me in the way FFT does.

Which of those would you recommend?

>>380787178
All of these games are good and a recommendation depends on what you actually like. If you've played XCOM and liked it, try Xenonauts and Shadowrun Chronicles now and wait Phoenix Point and Xenonauts 2. If you liked Banner Saga, play Expeditions Vikings.

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FFT 2

same grid based gameplay with high res textures. All units including Ramza can change clothes/appearance. Online party skirmishes, and have to think of more ideas.

>>380787552
>Expeditions Vikings

Ok thanks.

>>380782997
I wish they would make a proper Final Fantasy Tactics sequel, this time all new protagonist, all new characters, instead of being based on the War of the Roses maybe instead be based off something like The Crusades (but a proper re-telling, not making it one sided but able to be viewed in multiple ways).

Would love to see all the old classes return plus some new ones, or just see the old classes completely revamped. To this day I can still play FFT over and over and not get bored.

Fuck FFT I want a real tactics ogre

Fuck square for killing quest

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:^)

Who cares what Square said to be honest.

We all know they would fuck it up, seriously.

Why even bother contemplating this?

>>380787612
What would Ramza even do at this point? He disappeared from history and became a wandering hobo.

I don't even want it if Matsuno isn't involved.

>>380788208
This guy knows. I still need to get around to buying OB64 on WiiU.

Why anyone would trust them with another Final Fantasy game after 15 is beyond me. I don't care if a different team is involved. We haven't had a good FF game since 10.

>>380785927
>Gambit

Like FFXII? Fuck no.

Just make FFT2. Just somebody PLEASE make FFT2. Fuck.

>>380788728
>We haven't had a good FF game since 10.
You mean 7.

>>380788948
What was wrong with the gambit system?

>>380784260
Yes, this would be great.

>>380788993
>You mean 7.

You mean 6.

>>380789145
>You mean 6

You mean 12.

>>380785251
>Let's hope they don't ruin it if they make a sequel.
It's Square

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>>380785194
I think what you want is Frozen Synapse, not FFT

>>380784493
FFT > A2 > Advance
A2 has more classes, more races, more quests, more features, balanced classes, more content and a better cast. Did it drop the ball on incorporating the stylus sure, but its still leagues better than Advance

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>>380788483
>>380788146

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>>380786683
I know XCOM allows for customizing characters, but what about the other games? Anything that has ONLY static characters, non-generics is an instant deal breaker for me.

>>380782997
In 3 days, it's going to be 20th anniversary of FFT and Ivalice World.

Without Masuno? Shit.

>>380792192
What's he been up too since leaving SE? Study more genocide for his next SRPG hopefully, that's when he's at his best.

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>>380786683
>shadowrun
>xenonauts

just get the fuck off the internet

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>>380790237
50 years war sequel? It better feature Agrias' mom as protagonist.

>>380782997
>What would a spiritual successor look like?
nuTactics Ogre?
nuFire Emblem?

>>380786683
>Japan has no clue how to make actually good SRPGs.
What the actual fuck are you smoking?
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together is one of the best games ever made.

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>>380793447
Ravness was a waste though

>>380793447
>insert 50 year old game

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>>380793605
A waste of what? She was a great addition

>>380793978
The PSP is not th-that old...!
I'm not o-old!!

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I really don't want something with stupidly polished 3d backgrounds and characters especially since it would most likely be chibi weirdly proportioned shit.
The ascetic of sprite stuff looks amazing still. I mean, the 3d fire emblems look fucking awful compared to any single pixel one.
If we get a new FFT I wish it would be in line with how Tactics Ogre: LUCT looks or even Project Octopath. Speaking of Octopath, that group would probably be able to do an interesting twist on a tactics game.
Also they're returning to Ivalice in FF14 in the expansion they just dropped with a raid centered around it, written by the guy who did FF12, FFT and Tactics Ogre.

>>380794049
Dead in one route (which was better for her char)

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>>380790237
>2011
just give him the money square enix

>>380794245
Dead in 2 routes if you want to count Neutral and Chaos separate. I thought her joining in Law made sense, she really grows from being blindingly naive into something harder than Chaos Denam but softer than Leonar.

What about an FFT sequel in the industrial evolution/WW1 times, with magic mysteriously returning after being on decline for so long

>>380794715
Terrible, I don't want FFT: Goug the Setting.

>>380794872
>not wanting train battles

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>>380794715
That would feel too much like a new IP, plus how would you work it into the setting? Ivalice spans several games including Final Fantasy XII, speaking of which, was the first real letdown of a main Final Fantasy title.

>>380790086
>its still leagues better than Advance

Doesn't make it a good game imo. The story is still lackluster compared to FFT and the game is still easy as fuck just like FFTA.

>>380782997
Yeah and you think Tactics will be the game they return to? Tactics didn't do anything specific that warrants bringing back that IP, as much as I love it. Just play Tactics Ogre or any half decent tactical game that has since been released.

It's like making a new DOOM. You can't do anything new so remaking it is your only option.

>>380782997
Is FFT story really that good?

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>>380795058
Why have trains when you have airships? The industrial and primitive firearms work best as a small part of a setting, but not an entire setting.

>>380795203
>XII
>letdown
I don't agree with this sentiment.

>>380795551
If you're into political intrigue sure.

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>>380795490
That's not the point I was trying to get across, A2 is a better game than Advance. Anything Advance did, A2 did equally well or better.

>>380795551
The ps1 versions translation is about as well adapted as one of those modern English versions of old plays that only dumb niggers read in school because they literally can't understand half the words in each sentence otherwise.
Play the psp version, you can fix the slowdown problem and widescreen stretching with a fan patch.

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>>380795203
>was the first real letdown of a main Final Fantasy title

>>380795551
If you've ever played Tactics Ogre's Chaos path, I heard it's very similar.

>>380795496
Ivalice was always a great setting which is why they chose to do FFXII about it, as much of a mess that turned out to be.

>>380795559
It was. The story fell flat. Why do you think people aren't talking about it now? It's not just because it's an old game. You can't ignore the fact that it had a lot of production problems - the director was let go for "medical reasons" and the team was way off schedule with FF XII, at the time, comprising the longest gap between FF titles.

Ivalice is supposed to be an epic setting a la Tolkien or GoT. A lot of IPs try to be this and most fail. The problem is in the fleshing out of the material - there's just so much to do, so much to be consistent about, esp. for the Japanese which tend to be perfectionist, run into trouble about being stuck in the details.

>>380782997
>Square already said recently that they'd like to return to Ivalice.

Will they bring back Matsuno?

>>380796229
>>380795551
You say this as if the common high schooler can read that shit.

Anyway PSP version has ye on shitenglish which may turn some people off. I say just play the original.

>>380796665
Yeah, I didn't like the PSP english.

>>380782997
i couldnt stand final fantasy tactics

camera was terrible, battles took forever, AI was incredibly annoying which is partly why battles take forever

>>380785194
So, Valkyria Chronicles?

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>>380796665
Original doesn't have the optional battles, or Dark Knights. Still they should have had White/Holy Knight generics too.

>>380785559
>>380789121
>>380790237
That's one of those things that only sounds good if you don't think about it too much. The 50 year war was just a territorial dispute with Ivalice getting humiliated and nothing else of note happening. There's not much potential for it except as the backdrop of a hidden conflict. Ajora's rise and fall have more surface potential.

>>380783302
Spirtual sequel, not soulless sequel, m8.

>>380795951
A2's story is easily the worst of the three games by far. The gameplay is also just as broken as Advance.

>>380792460
XII was effectively the last game he ever headlined. He's done some other stuff, like writing the script for Madworld, and some 3di projects for Level-5, but they were mostly quaint novelties. Think he does stuff for Mistwalker now for their mobile game/.

>>380785194
>real time with pause
This is the worst idea ever, I think yoiu have idea cancer.

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So, for research purposes, what would you guys like in another tactics game? More jobs? A way to combine jobs? Change of mechanics for armors and weapons? Different landscapes for battlefields? Give me your thoughts. A good story should be a given.

Though it'll never fucking happen, I'm trying to make a tactics game. So this would be pretty helpful for more ideas.

>>380797075
Could go post Delita death, that would leave a power vacuum

>>380797647
Team-up attacks based on classes.

>>380797647
blue mage job, better camera

also would you like a writer

>>380797647
More classes, and more weapons with more weapons being usable per class. FFT could have used a Berserker class in the vein of the FFV version that just goes crazy and autoattacks for a lot of damage. Go the TO LUCT route and allow for a melee and ranged weapon at the same time. Rogues with daggers and blowguns or lobbers are a fun class to play around with.

>>380797647
I'd love to see a FFT/Tactics Ogre + Xcom kind of game. Like some kind of geopolitical game with FFT style battle + character management where you have to balance different duchies/baronies in the kingdom before they revolt/get consumed by evil or something.

>>380797647
Fast forward button

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>>380797647
Less shit jobs.

Better hiring system. I want my characters dying for realism but I don't want to freaking have to retrain a rookie to replace him. More money for better experienced characters.

3D and generics don't look alike. Character gen. for facial features, with classes being represented by attire rather than a full pre-generated portrait.

Generics talk/give their opinion on what's going on in the menu.

>>380797647
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I've been fucking around with ideas for a long time.

Basically it comes down to
>Meaningful choices
FFT for instance has a lot of meaningful choices to make. You get to customize your characters, but something that's inherent to the genre is you're actually choosing where to move, and what abilities to use.
>Jobs/Classes having a balance of upsides and downsides.
FFT fails spectactularly at this.Mostly because any of the "tanky" jobs like Knight or Lancer just aren't really that much tankier than anything else. An endgame shop-equipped Ninja actually has better equipment with things like Thief hats and Black Garb. Ninja gets +2 speed, immunity to don't move/act and immune to stop. A knight in equivalent gear (crystal) gets +10 HP from the armor, and +20 from the helmet. Wow... its fucking nothing.jpeg. Armor licks nuts in FFT.

That goes for Jobs and abilities. Samurai's skillset sucks on samurais, but is fucking brokenly strong on Black Mages.

I think I played around with the idea where you could have secondary and tertiary action abilities, where you'd get reduced effectiveness.

>Primary Job Ability: 100% effective
>Secondary Job Ability: 80% effective
>Tertiary Job Ability: 50% effective.

This is just makes it so you can customize, but doing so makes it innately less powerful than a raw class' abilities.

Less classes that are more diverse is actually preferred I think. I'd take 10 distinct jobs over 20 that have a lot of overlap.

Obviously power balance is huge like I've said. You don't want shit that's brokenly overpowered.

Obviously FFT has a lot of "easy" enemies. It's full of stuff like archers and knights for the entire runtime, and only rarely do you encounter anything stronger than those.

I also had the idea of "variant" classes, which is basically just choosing slight bonus/downside. Like, if you had knights, you could choose the subclass Defender, which would get maybe 20% increased defense.

>>380799738
TO LUCT sort of addresses a lot of this, not to say that it has its own issues as well. But it's a harder game, for better or worse.

>>380797075

You'll realize how retarded you sound once you realize that the entire plot of FFT never actually happened according to what was recorded in actual history in that world.

>>380782997
I'll probably get called a casual or shitter for this but I would like a spiritual successor that moves beyond the rigid grid based structure. Games like this were being made for a while like Arc the Lad 3 and Gladius (I might have the name wrong on that one). Valkeria did this too, but the scale is a little too large and units move too far, I think they should keep the arenas small. I prefer the free movement.

Other than that keep the same basic structure and have it take place 20-30 years after FFT ends. No returning characters but a direct sequel taking place in Ivalice. Also make it a little more difficult to abuse the job system (but not impossible, that's always fun on 2nd and 3rd runs).

>>380799882
Well, Terror Knights usually shit on anything that is vulnerable to the intimidation effect, and archers are OP as heck in every iteration.

>>380797647
>more sidequests like that one where you return reis to human form
>more optional bosses
>artifacts that can be used in the game rather than just being trophies in the chronicles
>same goes to the wonders that you can actually travel to that place instead of just being some pretty picture with a story behind it
>balance the jobs because ninjas are just batshit broken
>rework special jobs of characters such as agrias and orlandeau so that it isn't just a bunch of cool abilities slapped onto the squire job
>no game over when you lose a non-important battle where no main character is participating in
>lower the rate at which monsters in your party shit out eggs, it's fucking annoying
>a good setting might be at the time of saint ajora until the formation of the church of glabados and ajora's disciples, or the 50 years war
>a better recruitment pool that isn't just full of squires
>balanced enemy encounter where you don't have to fight 20 FUCKING MONKS

>>380799738
Honestly these are great ideas. Do you work in game design? If not you should seriously consider it.

>>380800231
Im a filthy neet, but I studied game design. I was going to make a tactics game, but I think I'm leaning more to making a classic roguelike at this point, something similar to a Mystery Dungeon or Lufia 2 ancient cave.

I think making a good tactics game is insanely difficult. AI is a huge issue since if it's too easy, you steamroll the game, and if it's too hard you really frustrate a lot of people.

Does someone have the FFT waifu roulette?

>>380800041
It takes a lot of investment to get a Terror Knight to be useful, Fearful Impact is ok but being the slowest class doesn't help them since targets are already engaged or even killed before a TK gets close. Lament of the Dead is really only useable with the sword that increases its AoE

>>380782997
desu I'd prefer something in the vein of Vagrant Story.

It wasn't perfect, but it was good.

Ditch the beast races. They were useless.

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Anyone playing this yet? Natural Doctrine was unique and pretty cool though obviously unpolished, but I enjoyed it a lot. This one looks a bit more typical SRPG style though. Considering getting it once I switch back to western psn on my vita.

>>380800756
>Ditch the beast races. They were useless.

Beast races were a mistake

>>380797953
Noted.

>>380798261
For now, at least, there's only one type of mage that learns both originally offensive and defensive magic but specialize into one as they become stronger. I'll see what I can do for blue mages though. Also, as for writer, I've been doing all the research related to it, like books on warfare and papers on how the idea of prophets spreads. I even wrote about the effects of the natural geography, war, and trade on technological progress of different countries for my thesis to contribute to this. I appreciate the offer but I know this will take years.

>>380798273
I actually have only a few classes, but my system in mind combines jobs. So fighter with a mage leads to magically charged weapons. Mage with fighter allows use of short swords and more stronger armor. But, I want to add more jobs. And I'll play around with the idea of both ranged and melee at the same time.

>>380798431
The game has three parts. First is of a revolutionary trying to bring down the monarchy, second is of a Royal Guard serving the royal family, and third goes to the past to the first ruler that united the country. So that stuff will definitely be in the third part.

>>380798547
I was thinking of putting a mode that skips all cutscenes and story for those that only want gameplay. And I can do that too.

>>380799280
That hiring system is a great idea. As for generics that look different/have own opinion, I never really thought about that, but I'll see if I can think of something.

>>380782997
Fuck you all FFT2 fags, FFTA3 or nothing.

>>380790086
If Squeenix wasn't full of idiots and the local and online battle weren't cut from the game it would be a 10/10 and it still would be played nowadays.

>>380801364
>I was thinking of putting a mode that skips all cutscenes and story for those that only want gameplay. And I can do that too.
I actually meant I want to be able to speed up the gameplay. Sitting through turns takes forever sometimes.

I would like to see the series get an X-Com style sequel with a hub, tech upgrades, etc.

>>380801364
Who are you?

>>380801364
>natural geography
I'm also making an srpg, but mixed with territory acquisition. For example, starting off in some state, and conquering the neighboring states until you control the whole country. Anyway, I wanted terrain/weather to play a role. I vaguely remember LUCT having weather, but all it amounted to was minor stat changes. What I envision is weather changing the terrain, like a flood widening a river that's normally easily crossable, stuff like that.

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What are the odds wotl will come to ps4 with trophies

>>380782997
FF12

>>380799738
Definite yes to meaningful choices. I want to include missions that you have only one chance to do them or not, and they affect the ideas of actions of other characters. I want missions that force you to choose between helping one town or another. I was thinking of not including Phoenix Down-like items and instead you have to heal the fallen character in a number of terms before they die.

Making jobs balanced is something I feel that I'll be working on for a long while. My job idea was like this: physical, ranged, and magic have beginners, intermediate, and masters level. You can learn all beginners types, only two intermediate, and only one masters. The master level can then be combined with the intermediate. A master fighter with intermediate magic charges the weapon with magic. With intermediate ranged, the fighter can use short-range weapons along with their swords/axes/close range weapon. That's a basic example of it, but I'll play around with the action abilities idea.

Power balance I'll definitely have to consider for these jobs and how they combine. I like the idea of variants though.

>>380800087
While the game won't be exactly like FFT, those are all things I'll copy down. Special classes that aren't Squire+, better recruitment, and better enemy encounters I'll all keep in mind. I haven't thought about sidequests right now, but I'll make them varied.

>>380796520
he's already back at square making an FF14 raid, so it's a matter of contracting him officially for a real game

at least the bad blood has been healed

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>>380802430
A sort of hub or camp would be a nice way to party manage, even talk to your generics.

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>>380803253
>current year
>giving a shit about trophies/achievements

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Being Mustadio is suffering

>>380802252
Oh. Well, that'll definitely be there.

>>380802786
Just some anon that loves SRPGs. Once I get more done than just research, scene setting, and dialog, I'll start posting in /v/'s game dev threads. That'll be like another year though. Right now, I'm doing research, learning how to draw humans, learn the basics to game coding, and I have piano lessons lined up for next week so I can get into music. I want to do it all, even if it takes years. And it will.

>>380802896
The third section of the story basically starts off with uniting the western third of the country. Then the would-be ruler marches to the East, uniting through trade, agreements, and war. Small skirmishes occasionally rise up that need to be put down or you lose favor and strength. I originally didn't think about weather, but I read Clausewitz's writings of warfare in marshes and during floods last night, so that's something I might actually consider.

>>380804538
Btw, a comment from the gallery of this pic:

>2. When asked about the subject of romance, the director(?) said they weren't able to give Ramza a love interest for the above reason, but if he had to pick someone for Ramza to be with, it would be Agrias.

Can anyone confirm?

>>380796983
>this battle is so hard I guess you're supposed to fail it
>game over

>>380804704
>I'll start posting in /v/'s game dev threads

If you're serious, you won't. Nothing kills off your enthusiasm for making a game that releasing it prematurely. Plus, the pressure mounts astronomically.

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>>380799280
Love how much Agrias got a popularity bump post-Fate Stay Night.

>>380805989
My idea is basically only posting to ask, "does this look good," "does this seem too overpowered," "got any ideas," and stuff like that. While I do prefer them over the /vg/ threads, I'm naturally more of a lurker than poster.

>>380782997
>they'd like to return to Ivalice
They don't mean more Tactics, they mean more XII or Tactics Advance. All the lore and knowledge from Tactics is not canon in Ivalice anymore.

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>>380807510
>All the lore and knowledge from Tactics is not canon in Ivalice anymore.

I will cut you.

I'd love if they made another tactics game and not the advance shit, but they've shown with two advance games that they'd rather roll around in their own shit than write another tactics game with a plot more serious than a ten year old reading a magic book.

>>380807510
This and I fucking hate squeenix for doing this.

>>380784493
nostalgiafags keep shitting on A2 because they played Advanced first, we get it

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>>380806616
Ravness is sexier though, sexy enough to kill a village of Walister for.

>>380807510
FFT Ivalice is canon. The problem is that it's the latest entry chronologically, which means that it can really only affect a sequel to FFT

>>380807510
>Tactics Advanced
well that's fine by me

A natural progression of the system is XCOM minus hit chances.

>>380807510
What were the Zodiac Brave Stones in FFXII terms, anyway? Nethicite?

>>380808529
Essentially. And Ashe was responsible for unleashing the Lucavi.

>>380808721
Which were what again? I know they're bad guys in FFT but they were good guys in the FFXII. I can't remember why though.

>>380808891
>but they were good guys in the FFXII

Not really. They were imprisoned Espers who offered up their power to whoever could tame them. The in-game lore stated how they were all pretty much fallen gods who tried to start a rebellion and failed. Its been a while though so I can't say with 100% certainty.

>>380801364
You have good ideas, mate. Keep it up.

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I don't care what people say about FFTA, it still has one of the most comfy openings ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxOUl6yWDRE

>>380809632
I don't care what people say, A2 is not worse than Advance.

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Anyone else play this game?

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>>380809632
FFTA is an amazing game

I've noted that people who hate it is people that likes FF8/9/10 to death, therefore their opinion goes into the trash

FFT/FFTA/Tactics Ogre for lyfe nigga

>mfw dual excalibur paladin

>>380810002
Got it but never made it far. The whole thing with the Plume irked me. I don't like losing units.

>>380810002
Yes, but I don't remember much of it.

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>>380782997
>We will never get an Ogre Battle 64 styled game but FF themed, and set in Ivalice.

We should all just kill ourselves because what's the fucking point.

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>>380809632
No fun allowed should be bullied to death

>>380799280
Valkyria Chronicles had a good solution to the generic unit question

Everyone has a unique face and a shared body based on their job. They feel like they have personality because they comment on tons of small things during battles, but have no presence in story cutscenes, save for the 5 main characters.
You feel bad letting them die but not bad enough to reset
RIP Hector, Selveria spawned behind you with five reinforcements and blasted you into pulp

>>380810641
I want another game like OB64 with its weird blend of rts and rpg elements.

>>380810856
Me too. I don't think we'll ever see something like it again, it's one of my all-time favorites.

>>380810828
I'd rather have generics like FFT and TO, ones you can name, control their alignment, reroll for stats, etc.

>>380810943
Gambits would probably be perfect for such a hybrid system.

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I'm just saying.

>>380782997

There's nothing like TO: LUCT and FFT, abd never will, right?

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>>380811715
There's this old game, Hoshigami, which had great everything - graphics, smooth menus, story - except the battle system was just not fun.

>>380812094
Never heard of this before, this looks great.

>>380812094
What's the battle system like?

>>380813275
Like getting kidney stones removed