>one of the first video game series ever >over 15 released

>>380772438

Actually having their developers take their time and not add stupid gimmicks and redesigns? As well as not having a derranged fanbase?

>>380772438

>absolute perfect track record

yes, it's not like sunshine was a thing
or galaxy 2
or 4 NSMB game all mediocre as fuck with their stupid "wah wah" music

Original creator still alive and on charge/supervising tends to do that

>>380772659
>sunshine bad
>galaxy 2 bad

What's it like being a complete fucking retard?

>>380772659
Sunshine is amazing and Galaxy 2 is quite possibly the best Mario game ever made, the NSMB are fun, they might not as good as the main series but they're still good fun and you have to agree they're at worst decent games.

The worst Mario fan in the world is probably Moviebob. And he's nowhere near what people like Chris-chan are capable of.

>>380772760
I agree with him on Sunshine. Absolute garbage

>>380772438
Major Nintendo dev teams like the Mario ones actually care about the quality of their games.

They make their games with love.

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C R E A T I V I T Y, tight control over the IP, fun side characters that people still give a shit about, and a willingness to delay releases.

That being said, lets not pretend there aren't any bad mario games.

>>380772815
cody why do you care so much about ecelebs yet try to be one with your own videos

>>380772438
>Perfect Track Record
New Super Mario Bros. 2 says hi. Game was bad.
Also like >>380772659 said, Sunshine was a great idea, but pretty poorly executed.

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>>380772438
>absolute perfect track record
What did Anonymous mean by this?

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>>380772438
>Perfect track record
>Sunshine exists

>>380773029
That is not a Mario game, when I say Mario game I'm talking about the platforming ones. Also that's made by SEGA not Nintendo.

>>380773029
>sega

Might as well count hotel mario

>>380772790
Those new super mario bros got pretty stale after the what like fifth new mario

>>380772438
Mechanics that are simple enough to translate well to a variety of gameplay designs. It's basically "run around and jump", there's so much you can do with that.

Mario never got married to its actual design, I think that's a big part of it. If Super Mario 64 had been made by Sonic Team, then Mario would have had to shrink when hit (instead of having 8 health bars) and get fireball and tanooki power ups instead of metal and invisible caps.

Sonic could have done as well as Mario if the whole cluster of mechanics (going fast, particularly around loops, gathering rings to protect you from damage, reaching a goal sign) of his early 2D games hadn't been treated as essential to the core design. They would have been free to just make a good game starring Sonic without trying to shoehorn in "iconic" mechanics that weren't good for the game.

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>>380772438

>one of the first video game series ever
No?

>over 15 released games only in the Super series
>absolute perfect track record
I love Mario and do look to it as one of the higher quality series. But it still has a few lackluster games.

To date, the only series I can think of where every game has been great or better is Dragon Quest. And it keeps that quality because the same core people have been working on every game since 1986. This year is its 30th anniversary and still the same core team is working on Dragon Quest XI.

Mario has changed developers many times. It's almost luck that it has only had a few lackluster games in all that time. But it still has a few. And some of the best Mario games were spin offs.

>>380773129
What did anon mean by this?

What's the worst and best mario game?

>>380772438
They passed their tallest hurdle when Mario 64 redefined 3D games forever. From there on they simply built on it while continuing to release safe, enjoyable 2D episodes.

>>380773029
OP meant the main series. We all know a lot of the side games are shit. Then again some of the side games are also fucking amazing, like the proper RPGs (that is, everything except the stick star shit), Mario Kart games range from decent to excellent, and a few others.

>>380772659
>>380773129
I honestly can't believe there are people who don't like the Super Mario Galaxy games, it's like you hate fun with a passion.

>>380773151
>>380773129
Is not perfect by any means, but is way better by far than sonic's or any long run series for that matter.

>>380772659
So the only thing you could find to hate about the NSMB games is "wah wah?"

>>380772878
>>380772659
Absolute shit taste.
Although it might just be a culture bias since I'm from Hawaii.

Holy shit, all of these people shitting in sunshine and Galaxy.

They are great games, y'all just like to hate shit to have something to hate.

>>380773282
Worst: Mario's Early Years! Fun with Letters
Best: Mario Paint

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>>380773446
>Sunshine is a great gam-

>>380772438
>absolute perfect track record
>when Mario 64 exists
Gr8 b8 m8

>>380773029
>the only bad mario games is when Sonic is associated with him

Pottery.

>absolute perfect track record

>what is Super Mario 3D World
>what are all the NSMB sequels
>what are all the recent spin-off and sport titles

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>>380773240
Dragon Quest 30th anniversary was last year, thought.

>>380772659
If I had taste this shit I would kill myself

super mario world is the only good one

>>380772659
>all nsmb is bad
i hate this meme
nsmb and nsmbwii were solid games, they are hated retroactively as nsmb2 dropped the ball super fucking hard and introduced absolutely nothing

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>>380773569
>3D World
>Bad
Now what did he mean by this?

>>380772438
He just had a bad 3D game, dude. And he hasn't seen a quality 2D entry for, what, two decades?

But yeah, I'm very happy with Odyssey getting back on track.

>>380773193
There are only 4 NSMB games. You only really need to play the 1st one and Wii U to get the full experience.

>>380772438

It's too easy to say "Nintendo quality"

Another answer is that fucking nobody wants to make 3D platforming

Given Mario Odyssey's design of not going back when you collect the Moon, it automatically makes it a better Banjo-Kazoooe than Yooka-Laylee

>>380773528
git gud

>>380773696
Compared to 3D land, 3D world is a lot more lackluster.

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They have talented people working for them and they know what they're doing, they focus on gameplay instead of gimmicks. That's it. Of course, it helps that Nintendo is rich as fuck so they can spend virtually unlimited time polishing their games. They also stayed true to the genre when most other developers chased cellphone money or started to create open world and FPS games.

>>380772659
THIS.

But, Mario's track record is still solid aside. This game is shaking things up, and the only things to complain about so far are the date showing up below "You got a Moon" and more 8-bit cocksucking.

And those are minor relative to major screwups that could be had.

>>380772659
>hates Sunshine
Kill yourself my man. I only partially agree with Galaxy 2 as I would have preferred a new Mario over a sequel of Galaxy, but 2 is a solid game on its own.

>>380773528
>a sole level means the game is bad

The level is not that hard either. The annoying part is bringing Yoshi to the island, what with the boat being all slippery and shit. Now that's some bullshit.

Honestly I'd say the blue coins is a worst offender, some of them are cryptic as fuck.

>>380773786
I agree but 3D World is by no means a bad game, even games that are pretty clearly unfinished like Sunshine are very polished in most areas and 3D World is no exception.

>>380773696
Wow, look at all that platforming. It's like I'm back in the early 90s enduring 3D platformers before SM64.

Sunshine was ok. Not great. It was considered a poor follow-up to 64 and galaxy was considered a return to form. Sunshielded isn't amazing. It's just alright. But there's way too much emphasis on cleaning up mud as opposed to platforming

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>>380772559
>fanbase
That's definitely a generalization.

>>380773528
Casual fuck. One level you can't pass doesn't mean it's bad

>>380773696
3d world was a giant step backwards from every other 3D mario game

>>380773913
>Implying it's a sole level

>Pachinko
>Chuckster
>Ricco-8
>Watermelon
>Balloons
>Cleaning an eel's teeth
>Cleaning a beach
>Cleaning Piantas
>Secret of Hotel Delfino
Sunshine has hardly any actual platforming in it except for the levels where they remove FLUDD which are just Galaxy-lite.

>>380773537
>posts bait
>calls thread bait
Anon...

>>380772659
i'm not sure if you're baiting?

>>380773240
It actually is one of the first series ever made, only beaten by Action Quest or whatever that Atari series was with the 4 elemental games where the last one never released.

>>380772659
>I'm gonna say the best Mario games are bad. That'll surely get me the (You)s I crave so much. I'm so devilish.

>>380773338
those controls aren't fun

>>380773937
>and galaxy was considered a return to form

Don't get me wrong, I love Galaxy, but it was way more linear than Sunshine.

>>380773575

The 30th anniversary goes from May 30th 2016 to May 30th 2017. It just ended (and Dragon Quest XI didn't quite make the release date Yuji Horii promised).

>>380773913
Pachinko, getting Yoshi to the leaf stage, the last Chuckster, the tedium (not difficulty) of the eel's teeth, the shitty ramp physics, the absolutely obscured Shines and Blue Coins,

Don't even pretend Sunshine doesn't have issues - we've covered this ad nauseum in previous threads.

>>380773528
It's an optional level. 100%ing Sunshine is not recommended in the slightest.

Also
>Git gud

>>380773696
>completing this level with Toad

Never again. That last section still haunts my nightmares.

I'm all for challenge but the last level being so ridiculously harder than the rest of the game is NOT a good difficulty curve. The level itself is godly, but I wouldn't have minded if things got tougher a bit earlier than that. The bosses especially were really disappointing minus Meowser.

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>>380772438
Not every Mario game is top notch, it's not absolutely perfect. However, even their worst titles that aren't educational shit or obscure stuff nobody really cares for don't exactly hit some massive bottom low. New Super Mario Bros. 2 was just forgettable after all.

It's quite far from Crash losing his identity like a lobotomized piece of shit, and Sonic getting too ambitious and tripping, snapping his neck and then having to go into reconstructive surgery to not be braindead anymore. And every once in a while he just goes back to a gibbering retard anyway.

>>380774376
am I the only one who didn't have any problems with this?

>>380772438
Because Sonic and Crash are both knockoffs of Mario.

>>380774159

Stuff like Space Invaders, Pac Man, Game and Watch and etc were still series. Even if they're not the way we consider series now.

>>380773921
>>380774065
Collect-a-niggers FUCK OFF. Banjo Kazooie was shit, DK64 was shit, Banjo Tooie was shit, Yooka Laylee was shit, and the best 3D Platformers are the ones that don't focus on collecting.

It's called quality control. Nintendo takes it's time to make sure their games are well developed products. They are responsive and set out to complete their goals.You compare it to Sonic, where Sega pushed products out the door without making sure their games are finished, polished and responsive.
Say what you will about Mario and whether or not you like Nintendo and how they conduct business and their development process, but they put out a solid product.

3D World is better than Sunshine.

>>380773129
No anon, u r

>>380773338

i love mario galaxy but galaxy 2 adds nothing, it's the same fucking level, the same fucking bosses, it throws a mario 64 level and it feels like an admission about the complete lack idea that they have than the nostalgic throwback they wanted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJyyyBJoKXU

this is the correct take on this overrated game

>>380774376
>>380773528

All you need to do is post an image of a duckbill or a pachinko level to trigger people who played Sunshine.

>>380774543
The ones that don't focus on platforming either, by the looks of it. 3D World is potentially the most overrated Wii U title and that's saying something.

>>380774602
>ZP
Pathetic

>>380774570
Retarded.

>>380774602
>yahtzee posting

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>>380774656
Did someone say pachinko?

>>380774602
Name a 3D platformer with better and more varied level design than Galaxy 2.

>>380774495
I wouldn't consider any of those a series just like I wouldn't consider Tetris a series. They're prior franchises, sure, but I'm not even tempted to call Game & Watch games actual video games. Not until Game & Wario, but that was shite.

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>>380772438

It looks interesting but no doubt it's going to be another boring casualized mario game that loses all it's fun because there is literally no challenge to the game and everything holds your hand.

>>380774350
These levels are really rough when you limit yourself to default powers.

>>380774071
>>380774216
Nowhere did I say that this level (and getting to it) was the only problem, I was only responding to the earlier post that seemed to imply it was the case. I agree with everything you both mentionned. Sunshine is not even among my favorite games but it's great to play in the summer.

>>380773425
nah sunshine is good, they're just retarded.

>>380774672
3D World has heavy emphasis on platforming, and that's to its benefit. It's easily the 3rd best platformer on the Wii U, with Woolly World coming in second and Tropical Freeze the single best platformer game ever made in first.

And I say that as someone who never really liked DK games before Tropical Freeze.
I played DKC 1 - 3 and Returns, but none of them stacked up to Tropical Freeze

>>380772659
the only reason games like sunshine seem bad is because they are measured up to a ridiculous standard
if a sonic game was made with sunshine level quality it would be in the top 3 best sonic games
it's hard being a ruby when your competition are diamonds

>>380774718
Fuck off dumbass, the only way someone can think Sunshine is better than 3D World is if you value movement options over actual platforming and level design.

>>380774771

Galaxy 1

that was easy

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Does /v/ consider SMB1 good? I never played and probably never will because it's old as fuck now but I was under the impression most people here always prefered the sequels like 3 and World.

>>380774771
That would be Banjo-Kazooie or Super Mario 64, seeing as Galaxy 2 liked to repeat half of its fucking levels.

>>380774771

>those horrible hit boxes
>that fucking camera
I have no idea how anyone can defend this game.

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>>380774889
Sunshine absolutely nails movement, probably the best movement in a 3D platformer however that is not good enough when most of the levels don't really make good use of it.
Similarly the Galaxy games have god tier level design and continually change it up but the movement is a step back but it's still very fluid and feels which is why I prefer them both to Sunshine.

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>>380775009

>haha this stupid game is TOO OLD

fuck back off to leddit.

>>380774963

I'm a huge fan of Country 1 and 2, and I have to agree that Tropical Freeze is the best DK game ever made.

>>380772438
>>over 15 released games only in the Super series
only smb, smb3, smw, and sm64 matter

>>380775009

>Does /v/ consider SMB1 good?
Yes.

>I never played and probably never will because it's old as fuck now
You need to be over the age of 18 to post here.

>>380775009
Funny, it repeats itself like SMG1/2 do. Additionally, the "path puzzle" castles are absolute trial and error bullshit.

It's fun enough, though.

>>380775009
It's good for its time. If you judge NES games by today's standards, only Megaman 1 - 4 and Kirby's Adventure hold up as good games.

>>380775009
I mean, it's not bad. It's simple compared to 3 and beyond, but it's a pretty fun rush to hold the run button and do precise jumps over the pirahna plants or so forth. It's a good timekiller and beyond the end-game maze paths that I can't ever memorize, it's pretty inoffensive in any real way.

It stands the test of time by being simple enough to just pick up and play at any time.

>>380772438
Every mario game has a difference in mechanics. They always try to change the way you play every single game. 64 was the first 3d rendition, Sunshine had the edition of interacting with the environment, Galaxy played with gravity, Odyssey has the interaction with different enemies and using the hat to overcome old obstacles in a new way.

Sonic has never done anything but run fast lul

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>>380772559
>not add stupid gimmicks and redesigns?

>>380775061

This video is providing a visual example of why Galaxy fixed the problems of Sunshine. Sure Sunshine has more 'fluid' movement, but that doesn't really mean much when the camera can't keep up and is stuck behind a wall half the time. While Mario Galaxy still has fluid movement, but the camera issues were fixed.

Maybe the next game can merge both together. But as it stands now, Galaxy is still better just because you can fucking see where you're running.

>>380775159
It's not that I don't think they're good games (other than DKC3), I just never considered them to be better than the best Megaman, Kirby, and Yoshi games. Before TF, I'd have ranked the DK platformers around the 7th - 8th best platformer series, but now I rank it at #3.

Was 3D Mario simply too far ahead of its time for its own good? All the unique movement has been stripped down, physics simplified and even level design with each passing sequel. It's gone from a complex acrobatics platformer to an ever dumber run and jump. The only thing the audience seem to have gotten from it was collecting things, even though that was far from the main aspect.

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>>380775379

>>380775290
Sonic tried something new with Unleashed I guess, and even though some parts of Unleashed were decent I found the overall game to be pretty bad, I guess we could have got a good game out of Unleashed but hell if Sega ever really tried.

>>380775462
>Was 3D Mario simply too far ahead of its time for its own good?
games still don't have the variety of mario 64 to this day, so no

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>>380774771

>>380774578
I miss the days when I found UR MR GAY amusing. Vidya in general felt much comfier then

Hell Mario Galaxy was comfy as fuck.

>>380773417

the music is the worst part, but ultimately the reason they are boring is that they try nothing new, there is nothing that make them special or unique, like i guess the first one was fine as sort of a revival of the first game but then it went on and on and on and on

>>380775060
Have you played it yourself?

>>380775290

>Sonic has never done anything but run fast lul
Sonic changes itself up far more than Mario. But that's also the source of its problems. Also, the irony is that Sonic games, which should be all about speed, required you to slow down and do far more precise platforming. Sonic fans claim this makes the game 'better' but in reality, it makes the series laughable. Since it means Mario does running better than a series that advertises itself as running.

>>380774771
I'm replaying sunshine and just beat the Pachinko level on my second try. You all suck

>>380772659

i should have added 3D land to this list

i honestly forgot that game even existed

>>380775379
>>380775489
What am I supposed to make out of this?

>>380775462
3D World definitely felt that way. I think they should go back to 64's complexity with the understanding that it may never be as popular or sell as well as the 2D games.

And, that's fine. 2D Mario can be for the masses, 3D Mario can be for those with skill.

>>380775725

>the pachinko level
Good. Only half a dozen more to go.

>>380775379
>that stiff momentumless dive
Man, that hurts.

>>380775379
>They brought back the side jump
Sweet Jesus it's gonna be great isnt it?

>>380772659
>galaxy 2
Best mainline Mario
>sunshine
Worst mainline Mario, still a solid 9/10
>NSMB games
Not mainline games

>>380772438
No devianart furry shit

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>>380775785
It's footage of a 64 speed runner messing around with the controls, I'm just posting it for people to see.
He said it's the best movement since Sunshine and makes 3D World feel archaic in his video.

>>380775871
>>NSMB games
>Not mainline games

It only has a "perfect track record" because people love Nintendo and Mario.

If Odyssey was made by a random publisher and starred some cartoon rat or something people would say it's mediocre.

>>380775871
>Not mainline games

They are part of the "Super Mario" series of games though, so yes they're mainline.

First of all, Sonic and Crash as characters were inherently flawed concepts. They were made to appeal to a very certain demographic (cool and edgy) while Mario was made to appeal to everyone

Second, Nintendo are very careful in making Mario games. They prioritize on how the game plays. Is it fun to control Mario? Is it fun to do this or that? If you don't have a good foundation then your game won't hold up. Sega just throws things in that sound fun on paper but don't have the talent to make it work. They just put in flashy shit to make the kiddies go "Cool!" and hope they don't press the wrong button while on the loop-de-loop and fall through the level. Not familiar with Crash but giving it to Activision probably wasn't the best decision for the franchise

>>380775950
Well 3D World is tight but incredibly simplistic. Mixing the tightness of that control with the capabilities of a sandbox 3D Mario means that this is probably the most acrobatic Mario yet.

>>380775627
Comfy was the whole aesthetic. Even the gloomier parts of the game would still do well as plush toys.

That was also a time before the Core became adults with awful responsibilities and social anxieties. Even Nintendo jumped in on the politics bandwagon (fucking looking at you, Splatoon).

>>380772438
can't wait for the whole OST
https://youtu.be/GGExhDv4_aM

>>380776007

>If Odyssey was made by a random publisher and starred some cartoon rat or something people would say it's mediocre.
More like they'd be saying "A game that rivals 3D Mario! With a sick and edgy atmosphere! Sony wins again!"

>>380775945
have you seen the things yoshi has been put through

>>380776009
No, they're part of the New Super Mario line

>>380775009
I'm pretty indifferent towards it but Hammer Bros. are absolute cunts in this one. Their sole existence makes the game twice as hard.

>>380775379
>>380775489
This is basically the Mario 64 moveset with better animations.

>>380775986
>>380776009

They aren't. They're called "New" for a reason, and they're clearly a low-budget 4-player spinoff. Mainline Marios are AAA single player platformers (or some residual 2nd player mode at best).

>>380775871
Are you a girl?

>>380773696
wew that looks like trash

>>380775009
play smb deluxe

it has saves, challenge missions, and the japanese smb2

shit is great

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Here's the video of the Super Mario 64 speed runner giving his commentary on what he played of Odyssey and where >>380775379 and >>380775489 come from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SWKUt_Cus&feature=youtu.be

>>380776232
the only mainline games are the bros games dumb 3dfag

>>380775061
too bad the levels are shit

>>380772659
>I don't like it because [not actual reasons] so it's BAD

This is the power of meme magic

>>380775693
when has sonic changed anything original that mario didn't do first. The first 4 games are literally the same, including all of the ds games.

>>380776240
No. Are you a filthy underage sodomite that faps to traps?

>perfect track record
>SMB 2
>NSMB 2

Pick one.

>>380773528
>Some faggot actually thinks 100% Sunshine is worth anything

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>>380776374
Agreed, Sunshine has some of the worst levels ever conceived and I have no idea how the team thought some of these were a good idea in the slightest.

>>380776426
fuck off mario bros 2 is the best game in the series

>>380772659
Sunshine is the best 3d mario.

>>380776392
>mario didn't do first.
sonic did outer space and walking around upside first

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>>380772659
fpwp

I'm convinced people that claim the NSMB series are all the same are faggots that only played one of them and decided they were all the same cause aesthetics.

>>380776372
No. Mainline Mario games are:

Super Mario Bros., Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and Super Mario Odyssey.

Super Mario 3D World could be considered mainline aswell, although it's more a thing in between a real Mario game and NSMB mutiplayer shit.

>>380776509
nintendo tokyo sucks imo

do't know why people suck their dick so much

>>380772659
>sunshine is bad meme
How to spot a pleb

>>380776562
everyone who thinks that doesn't actually like mario games

>>380775489
It's funny because the Nintendo guy told him he couldn't make that jump, that he had to use a bullet to get there. He also told him to go "have fun" But he was having fun just jumping. It's boring to watch but fuck is it satisfying to play a game with great gameplay.

>>380776643
You're also missing Super Mario Land and 3D Land

>>380776747
it is

sunshine scarred me for life

it's the only mario game I never 100 percented

>>380776418
Maybe your sign is effeminate.

>>380776575
>did outer space first
what you mean the scripted boss fight in SA2?
How is that completely changing how you play the entire game. Mario thinks of an idea on how to change how you play and runs with it. Sonic maybe has 1 or 2 short segments per game that are different before it's back to the old run right asap

>>380776643
real mario are based 2d platformer
fake mario are shitty 3d collectathon

>>380776824
Super Mario Land wasn't even made by Nintendo.

>>380772438
Its been ruined ever since Mario64 when Nintendo decided they needed to shit on all their classic 2d franchises

>>380772681

Shiggy barely does shit for 3d Mario platformers, they're Koizumi's thing.

>>380776934
how does gravity change mario galaxy?

galaxy is just a boring linear game with small meteors

>>380776942
>Super Mario Land wasn't even made by Nintendo.
What?

>>380776935
Not really. The "collectathon" part is just what drives the gameplay in the 3D entries, which are primarely platformers. Also that's why Galaxy 2 is considered better than Galaxy.

>>380777007
shiggy directed 64, they only good 3d mario game

>>380777082
Isn't Super Mario Land that shitty Game Boy game? Or am I confusing it with another game?

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>>380777179
>they only good 3d mario game

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>>380772438
I
HATE
THAT
PLUMBER

>>380776392

>when has sonic changed anything original that mario didn't do first.
Why are you only comparing Sonic to Mario. I'm saying that Sonic as a series itself changes things often. But they do it poorly. Things that a previous game did well, they will throw away and redo. Like they'll finally make a game with good jumping physics, then the next game doesn't use it, replacing it with new jumping physics that fucking sucks.

Mario games keep what works and incorporates it in the next game (with some exceptions).

>>380776824
You're right, I missed Land 1 and 2 for the GameBoy, which are propertly speaking mainline mario games. Dunno about 3D Land, might aswell consider it mainline.

>>380777179
>3d mario
>good

>>380777391
Yes, SM64 was good you fucking summerfag.

>>380777185
Yes, but it was made by Nintendo R&D1. It's more Nintendo than most recent Nintendo games.

>>380776942

Mario Land was made by Nintendo R&D1. It was literally made by the people who designed the hardware for the Game Boy. It was their first game.

>>380777185

Get out, kid.

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>>380777372
Nintendo includes 3D Land in their info graph so it's definitely mainline.

>>380772659
Even if you think Sunshine was bad, it's still miles better than so many other games, you can't say Sunshine is a terrible game or the worst game you've ever played with a straight face.

>>380772438
galaxy games weren't fun and new super mario games are just incredibly lazy.

>>380777459
no it wasnt 3d platformer can and will never be good

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>>380772659
>or 4 NSMB game all mediocre as fuck with their stupid "wah wah" music

>>380777905
t. Cyclops

>>380775347
Yes. They don't add -stupid- gimmicks and redesigns.

but will it have A presses?

>>380777329
Yeah, Mario was excellent in SM64. Then for sunshine they gimped Mario and slapped a jet pack, I mean, FLUDD on him. Then they made Mario great again in galaxy, but put him in boring, shitty linear levels with fuck all to do.

I wish Nintendo would build off the great aspects as much as you seem to think they do, but one thing is certain. The Sonic series is an absolute train wreck.

>>380777905
You're just straight up wrong.

galaxy 1 is literally the last title in the series to have originality. it looks like odyssey might possibly change that

>>380775347
Suits aren't a stupid gimmick though. They've been a power up and an extension of the gameplay since the original Super Mario Bros. and an evolved form of the original Donkey Kong Hammer.

>>380777905
Because (You) suck at them

>>380775379
at first glance, especially in the thumbnail, it looks like mario's at the back of the ferris wheel at pinna park in sunshine

>>380772438
>Watch the odyssey trailer

Muh fucking dick

>>380778328

Well, I'm of the mind that Galxy was a good compromise to the open world of Mario 64 levels without the flaws of Sunshine levels. And Galaxy removed the FLUDD and gave Mario all of his moves back (except one). So to me, the series did incorporate stuff from past games into Galaxy. Of course you don't have to think that. But for me, Galaxy was everything I wanted in a Mario game. Hopefully Odyssey can pull of the total open world thing Sunshine tried to do but failed at.

>>380772438
>absolute perfect track record
New Super Mario Bros. and all its spinoffs says hello

>>380772438
>absolute perfect track record

Mario's missing, Mario's time machine and the CDI game

>>380780189

Mario is Missing was good, if you played the PC version. The NES and SNES ones of course sucked.

>>380779809
Because there's only ONE New Super Mario Bros. game for only ONE console/handheld. But lets just ignore that fact and pretend like the NSMB series is spammed like CoD.

Also the spinoffs are generally perceived as a success the fuck are you on about?

why does the game look like shit?

>SMB 2 (both original and amerifat version)
what went wrong there?

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mario is back

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>>380782051
It doesn't, it looks amazing and will run at a constant 60 FPS.

>>380772438
>How is Mario not ruined yet like Sonic or Crash? What's Nintendo secret?

You're only as good as your last game.

OP clearly doesn't remember all the bitching about New Super Mario Bros WiiU, New Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario 3D World.

>>380773528
-e.

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>>380772659
>Galaxy 2 bad
>Sunshine bad
>The Wii/Wii U NSMB games bad

I'm only giving you the NSMB DS games, more so NSMB DS 2, but even then they were still fun: Now fuck off.

>>380772659
you almost could have got people if you didn't say galaxy 2 was bad

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>>380772659
>Galaxy 2
>Bad

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>>380772438
>absolute perfect track record
Aham!

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Where were you guys when I was being bullied for liking Sunshine?

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Do people seriously prefer 3D Land over 3D World? How? 3D World is better in nearly every way.

>>380782259
why are areas in this game so weird? It's like they couldn't figure out a consistent aesthetic.

I wish they would have just kept making games with sunshines style, but just explored different biomes.

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>>380782719
>3D World is better in nearly every way.
How do you figure that?

>>380782719
I bet it's because Land is less difficult or they simply didn't have a WiiU.

>>380773129
I can see people hating Galaxy 2, but Galaxy 1? Really?

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>>380782695
>liking Sunshine

>>380782880

If you played Galaxy 2 first, Galaxy 1 becomes boring.

>>380773282
Worst: Mario's Early Years SNES Games
Best: The Galaxy Games. Hopefully Odyssey joins in when it's released.

>>380782693
just because you're bad at video games doesn't mean they are bad

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>>380782960
>Not thinking that Sunshine is the pinnacle of level design

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>>380783078

>>380783078

what you're really saying:

>my childhood was the pinnacle of video games.

64 was literal garbage. I could never get into it when I was a kid. The controls were wonky, the level design was a mess, and was all around boring. I could never understand why people consider it THE pinnacle of 3D gaming.

>>380776612
Super Mario World is worse than NSMBU going by this image. Nah, go fuck yourself.

Actually a lot of this chart is trash. Fucking trash. Absolute garbage opinions.

>>380772659

Sunshine is good, but it rips off banjo Kazooie in more ways than one. So to answer OPs question - plagiarism. At least that's how they kept Mario's track record for the GameCube. Galaxy 2 is good, but it was a major title in the series that didn't innovate much with the forumula which is odd for this series. The new super Mario games are okay, but they would quickly descent to mediocore status if it wasn't for the multi-player. Plus the nsmb games have four titles out and they all share almost the exact same aesthetic in terms of Visuals and audio, which is disappointing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qgOeXbFQ9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfzpGpERUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIYqCkoOYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU74P0wX-iE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy0NJEVIv8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciMyjoA3l7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlQT5ikYPCQ

OST of the year coming through.

>>380776286
Yeah, except you can't see shit.

Do not ever play SMB Deluxe, ever.

>>380783583
Shame every GB platformer suffers from it. Except Land, now that I think about it.

>>380783078
>being this retard

>>380776310
Is mario a dwarf

>>380772659
"I-I-I GOT IT! I'll PICK GAMES E-E-EVERYONE LIKES AND SAY THEY ARE BAD!"
Die.

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>>380784009
Yes.

>>380784009
No, it's the people of New Donk City who are really tall.

>>380773696
You mean it only gets good at the very very end?

>>380784124
No one likes NSMB. Even Wii U owners lie to themselves to boost their awful library. I should know, I own one.

>>380784009
People from the Mushroom Kingdom aren't human.

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I like how /v/ doesn't realize that the Mario franchise is a matriarchy and SJW as fuck.

- All the successful, peaceful civilizations are run by women (Peach, Pauline, Daisy, etc...)
- The creator of the Mario universe is a woman (Rosalina)
- The only male leader is violent and stupid

Nintendo is clever as fuck.

>>380772438
>uh oh the is something trivial I don't like!
>DROPPED
>SHIT
>GARBAGE
Bunch of fucking faggots around here. Get a life.

>>380782836
My circle pad was already worn to the nub when i played this level.
Took over 100 lives.
It's not even that hard the controls are just shit

Why does Super Mario Odyssey looks like a game made in Unity?

>>380780189
He said the Super series you faggot

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>>380784519
Sargon pls go

>>380773338
Want me to be completely honest? Galaxy 1/2 almost made me give up on Mario completely. NSMBU along with 3D Land/World convinced me otherwise.

>>380784519
Or or maybe Miyamoto sucks at writing stories! Not everything has to be political you stupid nigger

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>>380772659
>having a different opinion than me

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>>380783550
Holy fuck.

>>380784009
He is a cartoon character.

>>380772438

They found their "Adventure" formula, and stuck with it, instead of changing it to match the

>why sonic no go fast :(((((((((
and the
>GOTTA GO FAST XDD BOOOOOST!!

fucking meme children who couldnt tell a good physics engine if it hit them in the fucking cock.

>>380772659
>"Sunshine is shit"
It wasn't as good as 64 but it was still a fun game.
>"Galaxy 2 is shit"
I hate this meme. It took all the mechanics of the first galaxy game and put them on crack.
>"All the NSMB games are shit because muh bahs"
You'd have a point if you were talking about Wii U and 2, but the first two were great.

>>380778118
Stupid gimmicks is has been Nintendos M.O. since they started making video games

>>380772438
>64 good
>Sunshine good
>NSMB good
>Odyssey good
Nintendo hasn't made a singel good game since A link to the past

>>380784519
Yet all the heroes (as in, the people that actually solve the problems of the kingdoms) were always male.

/pol/yp get out.

>>380787823
Except their Adventure formula was good.

>>380772438
The Disney of video games.

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>>380787996
You don't think Super Metroid is good?

>>380772438
They figured out how to get Mario to work in 3D right out of the gate.

>>380787829
nsmbu is the best one

>>380783550
Koji Kondo made New Donk City and Steam Gardens and they're coincidentally the best

>>380784009
no he's italian

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Hey, /b/tard here asking for help in defeating the Communists/Anarcho-Communists in pixelcanvas.io.
We're so close, we have to black out the giant 'A' right above the central mass of void to advance our plans. Join us /v/, you'll be glad you did.

>>380783323
>Super Mario World is worse than NSMBU going by this image.
Cause it is

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>all these people shitting on Sunshine

It's great. I bet you're just shit at it.

>>380787051
how can one person have taste this shitty

>>380789910
only if you promise to protect the ponies

>>380773282
Worst NSMB 2
Best Galaxy 2

>>380791495
This man is correct.

>>380790702
if you know how to equip the hover nozzle and press R it is literally impossible to be 'shit' at SMS

>>380775379
>>380775489
Why is it that most 3D platformers always feel very slow compared to Mario?

>>380782719
I'm with you there, I can't go back to Land again but I'll happily replay World.
Land has little to no new ideas in it. World, while still reusing lots of elements from the other Marios, still has lots of new weird shit in it.

>>380772438
Mario is white thats the secret, like Zelda

>>380776007
>le "If another dev made it everyone would hate it" arguement

calm your tism buddy.

>>380772438
why is the Mario fan base the tamest when it comes to cringeshit?

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>>380772659

>>380783257
because you're an idiot.

>>380782726
someone once said they wanted mario to feel out of place in every level to really feel like he's traveling to different universes

>64
always fun to play, complex mechanics, challenging levels
>Sunshine
slightly stripped down movement mechanics, high replayability, difficulty spikes
>Galaxy
even more stripped down, low replayability (less focus on creativity), pretty easy overall
>3D World
what Galaxy did, but much worse

With Odyssey it feels like they finally remembered what made 3D Mario so enjoyable. Color me hyped

>>380795723
Can't help but to think of this as Iwata callback?

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>>380795776
>Galaxy (less focus on creativity)

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>>380796418
>Responding to bait

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>>380795776
>Sunshine
>The game with the most movement mechanics
>Has stripped down movement mechanics
??

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>>380783550
New Donk City and Wooded Kingdom are so good.

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>>380772659
>Sunshine and Galaxy 2 are somehow bad
To each their own.
But you're wrong. Oh so wrong.

>>380772659
With the exception of Sunshine (probs the most divisive of Mario games so at least I can understand), he's not wrong

galaxy 2 is SHIT. this is like making a sonic thread and saying it's had not bad games

>>380797382
I genuinely don't get the hate Sunshine gets.
It's controls are surely unanimously agreed to be the best, no other 3D Mario comes close to the level of precision and accuracy in Mario's movements.
Compared to 64, the missions actually impact each area and feel important. You're not just performing mundane and pointless tasks most of the time, you're doing things which the NPC's acknowledge, and which impact the area's layout and content. in 64 it's just a big mess of red coins, loose stars and the occasional boss battle. Nothing feels significant though.
The graphics look quite gorgeous imo, and not just for the time. Sunshine's water is still so impressive, and something about it's music and atmosphere is so unique and immersive.

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Galaxy 2 has 2 things wrong:
>soundtrack got worse because they added fucking brass everywhere
>yoshi

>>380772659
AND
TO
THIS
DAY
PEOPLE
STILL
SAY
THIS
BOARD
ISN'T
NINTENDOGAF

>>380797883
>I genuinely don't get the hate Sunshine gets.
Read any 3D Mario thread, the praise starts and stops at its controls and there are hardly any worthwhile platforming segments to make use of them anyways.
>You're not just performing mundane and pointless tasks most of the time
That's exactly what you're doing though.
-Cleaning a beach
-Cleaning Piantas
-Cleaning an eel's teeth
-Get the watermelon to the shack
-Solve the secret of the hotel
-Popping balloons

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STICC

>>380774191
The controls are fantastic. They really got it right. 64 feels sluggish by comparison and 3D world feels floaty.

>>380772438
>literally namedrops a meme crocodile because of retarded furfags

Mario is dying.

>>380772438
Why does the hat have a Dream works face?

What other Mario game does the design of this game most resemble? I watched a couple of videos and I was seeing Mario get Moons (the games equivalent of Stars?) by talking to some random people in the city, and getting them fairly quickly in the Desert level.

Do we have any idea how many objectives there are in each level? Because if there are only like 8 Moons per level they seem like they can be obtained pretty quickly making the game potentially short.

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>>380786419
>sargon
>right wing

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>>380787829
>mario U
>bad

>>380798262
>Minimizing the tasks as mundane in the most superficial way possible
Cleaning an eels teeth? Really? You know there was more to that mission than cleaning an eel's teeth, it was an intense underwater struggle against a huge monster.
Also, solving a secret in the hotel isn't exciting?
I digress. The other tasks may not be exciting in premise but they're at least an "episode" in the sense that they create a scenario beyond MK64's constant clusterfuck where literally nothing noteworthy happens.
And I don't know about you but I actually like the chill atmosphere a lot of them bring.

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>>380775347
>not liking the cat power

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>>380798093
this board ISNT nintendogaf because every single userbase has people who defend it do the death. except xbox, nobody owns that

>>380776612
>Japanese Super Rehashio 2
>better than American SMB2

At least SMB2 had lots of new features, worlds and enemies.

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>>380772438
They change it up a little each time. Kind of like Kirby games. When they repeat the same formula is when it gets stale (NSMB, NSMB Wii, NSMB 2, NSMB WiiU). Games like World, Yoshi's Island, 64, Sunshine, NSMB (the first one), and Galaxy all take the same formula and add new mechanics to it.

>>380802093
>it was an intense underwater struggle against a huge monster.
More like an intense struggle with the camera, my problem with these levels is that they do nothing to take advantage of the movement set that Mario possess.
The best way to have fun in Sunshine is to just goof off in Delfino Plaza or Ricco Harbor and mess around with the movement.

Anyone who says Super Mario 3D World was a bad game is retarded. No exceptions.

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>>380772659
>galaxy 2
>all these people falling for the bait