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Paradox Interactive Failing!!

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People are finally waking up to paradox's dlc jewry bullshit and ripping them a new asshole.

Quick rundown:
>Paradox raised the prices of all their games a week ahead of the steam sale (as much as 50% increase in some cases)
>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
>Charging $10 for a handful of poorly drawn buttons and cheat buffs for an already overpowered nation.
>They refuse to bundle their dlc so your forced to buy it separately at full price.
>Paradox went public in the stock market a while back and now their dlc quality is dropping like a brick.
>People are angry and taking it too paradox in the steam forums causing them to lock some of the threads as "off topic".
>EU4 rating has dropping from overwhelmingly positive to mostly negative.
>All their other games have dropped to mixed as of now.

(Made pic related years ago but was to lazy to post it then enjoy)
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I suspect they were responsible for having Tyranny get released way earlier than it should have and are now gonna attempt to make a million DLCs for it over the years to try to nickel and dime every single person that bought it. They literally just put a DLC that is 7 bucks for fucking random events happening in the overworld.

I'll buy Tyranny when it's the complete edition at a 90% discount five years from now.
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>>380752058
>90% off
Sorry anon but that's never going to happen with the way paradox is doing things. 75% at most.
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/236850/Europa_Universalis_IV/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/236850/discussions/0/1354868867726020954/
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That explains why Pillars of Eternity suddenly got a shift of negative reviews. Paradox are pretty scummy.
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>>380752840
Funny how they've been fucking shitty for years yet everybody gave them a pass for the dlc spam yet companies like EA got roasted alive. It just finally came back to bite them in the ass
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anyone have a list of all regions raped by paradox?
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I've been pirating DLC since 2015, so the time has come
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>>380751781
Nice image, I wouldn't notice if you didnt mention, thx.
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>>380752840
that is honestly unwarranted, paradox is not PoEs publisher on steam, they only shifted the physical copies.
And PoEs expansion is great and easily worth the money, so there is no "paradoxical" behavior there either.
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>>380755363
Yeah, they are. They raised the money for the base game, too.
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>>380751781
Remember to report and ignore all shitposting
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>>380754083
If i remember correctly it was russia, south america, some parts of SEA and eastern europe. There's more but that's all i can remember right now
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>>380755546
White and based
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>>380751781
Lesson of the day: NEVER EVER PUT YOUR COMPANY IN WALL STREET, NEVER!!!
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>>380755546
Fuck off Johan
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>>380756194
Call me when the overall rating drops to mixed, now that'd be a punch in the gut.

Anyway, I haven't been playing EU4 since El Durito. It was getting pretty obvious Paradox had no idea what they were doing.
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>>380755546
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>>380751781
>>Paradox raised the prices of all their games a week ahead of the steam sale (as much as 50% increase in some cases)
>>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
>>Charging $10 for a handful of poorly drawn buttons and cheat buffs for an already overpowered nation.
Can I get source on these?
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>>380751781
Oh shit, and they can't pull the "muh anti SJW trolls" card anymore with this. What a glorious day!
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Paradox games are probably my favorite in the entire industry but I have never spent one single dime on them. Overpriced and jewish DLC practices.
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>>380755546
Hey faggot, when will you use accurate history for your historical accurate games? When will you stop deleting threads and banning people that mention your SJW faggot agenda? When will you stop banning people for wanting a correct and playable Nazi Germany in your historically accurate games? When will you stop rewriting history for your destructive agenda you filthy asshole?
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lmao this faggot got his review marked as abusive by the devs because they didn't like it
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>>380751781
>>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
Examples?
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>>380757421
They raised Yurop prices because their currencies are weakening versus the dollar.

American prices didn't go up.
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>>380758298
wew
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>>380751781
>2017
>buying paradox games

when you can literally pirate every single paradox game with all the DLCs with working multiplayer cracks

You are just miserable
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>>380751781
Here's hoping the Russians finally manage to fuck them up a bit.
Anyone knows how well Third Rome did? I didn't see it in the Steam best seller list, while their DLC usually made it. Wouldn't be surprising, since the DLC is just a couple buffs to Russia
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>>380758391
Province development was a core game feature but (I forgot which dlc removed it may have been common sense) it was taken out in an update for their new dlc.

So the only thing you could do was to either conquer land the ai owns (the ai could build the new stuff while you couldn't) or buy the new dlc to enable building on your provinces again.
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>>380758449
okay so literally nothing to be upset about then?
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>>380758391
Examples: half the DLCs for every single paradox game from CK2
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>>380758391
The closest example I can think of was the Common Sense dlc.
It added development, basically allowing you to improve provinces, but without it all provinces had a base development that you could not change.
This made colonizing impossible since your colonies in the Americas could never sustain themselves without development so they either were in a constant state of bankruptcy or a constant drain on you.
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PC gaming sure is great ain't it?
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>>380751781
>purchasing Paracucks DLC
Let's be real here
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>>380758781
>Not using this chance to kick paradox while their down
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>>380758774
No it wasn't, it was just like EU3, each province had a single value, called basetax
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>>380758774
>Province development was a core game feature but (I forgot which dlc removed it may have been common sense) it was taken out in an update for their new dlc.

By province Development, do you mean actively developing a province and adding to its existing province development?
I started playing with Common Sense with a group that had been playing since vanilla and beta. It seemed like a new feature to them.
Can you give me a source showing that it existed before common sense?
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>>380759046
He can't because he's lying.
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>>380758790
>It added development, basically allowing you to improve provinces, but without it all provinces had a base development that you could not change.
So it added a thing that didn't exist before?

aka
>>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
Nothing like that?
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>>380758774
not true, you never had the ability to directly improve your province's development until it was introduced in the DLC
however what people DID rightfully complain about is that the entire game was reworked with the new development feature in mind leaving the base game in a significantly less playable state than it was before
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>>380758298
Top kek
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>mfw I never paid for Paradox shit except for Warband and got 3K hours out of that
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>>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
What game did they do this for? EU4?

>>380752058
>They literally just put a DLC that is 7 bucks for fucking random events happening in the overworld.

It's like they're begging to be pirated
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>>380759225
The thing is how Paradox fucks you over.
See the DLCs add a lot of mechanics and ways to interact with them.
But Paradox also releases a "free" patch that implements the mechanics in the base game but doesn't allow you to interact with them.

Common Sense added Development which replaced Base Tax. Before Common Sense provinces in America had a base tax that was high enough to allow colonies to prosper. When the DLC was released all provinces in the Americas received utter shit development because colonies were supposed to improve those areas. But if you didn't had the DLC you couldn't interact with Development so you were stuck with utter shit development. So you either bought the DLC or colonizing was impossible.
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>>380755546
Oy vey, shut it down!
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>>380758614
Like shit. People already fucking hate it. Like 4 or 5 new buttons, some shitty troops and a buff their religion.

>Would have taken a modder like a few days to do this for free they are charging 10 bucks for it
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>>380759717
>The thing is how Paradox fucks you over.
Yeah maybe, but the statement in the OP is a confirmed lie anyways.


Some starts get worse/better in some updates.
That's the nature of updates.
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>>380759912
A DLC made an important aspect for countries like Spain, France, Portugal, UK and any other country that you want to use to colonize literally unplayable.
To make it playable you had to buy the DLC.
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Paradox always had shitty dlc policy
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>>380752058
>I suspect they were responsible for having Tyranny get released way earlier than it should have
Kek, it's literally never Obsidian's fault, is it?
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>>380752058
>I'll buy Tyranny when it's the complete edition at a 90% discount five years from now.
This is what I planned on doing for HoI4 but honestly I don't know if that game is ever worth playing.
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>>380759624
Taleworlds is self published now too
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>>380760108
I'm not forgiving Obsidian nor placing blame on Paradox for how badly written Tyranny is.
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>>380760108
Obsidian's fault here is not giving any kind of shit about this game and it's quality.
They put their interns to work on it to see who they keep and only did it because Paradox payed them to do it.
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>>380760108
Obsidian mediocrecy has nothing to do with Paradox, PoE and Tyranny hardly have anything salvageable
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>>380760508
PoE was a decent game, don't kid yourself
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I haven't bought a paradox game in years.
I thought everyone else was pirating as well.
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I guess that prick Johan is finally getting what he deserves. You can only screw over people who love the shit you produce for so long before they wake up and smell the coffee. Though I would love if they actually gave a shit and did something, but they probably won't.

>>380760686
My friends call me a scumbag for pirating and then turn around and call Paradox DLC pricey and stupid.
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>>380760616
>PoE was a decent game, don't kid yourself
Back to you, PoE was so forgettable that I dropped at the druid town
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>>380752261
Ofcourse 80% or more is going to happen, the joke is that in case of crusader kings 2 for example this practically means a that it drops from almost $300 to a full price triple-A when the sale is running.
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>>380759912
>>380759169
>>380759046
Looks like the paradrones have come out to defend.

>I started playing at common sense

THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING! You have no idea what it was like before. Wish i could find some old screenshots of the old mechanic to shove in your face.
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>>380760971
But Path of Exile is a great game.
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>>380761157
Here
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>>380761187
Path of Exile has nothing to do with Obsidian, we are talking about Pillars of Eternity, the kickstarter scam
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>>380751781
>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.

Granted you have given no source for this shit but everything else about their jewy Jewishness is shat that so many other people and corporations in anything and everything do.

Digitally and physically this shit is all around so why are they soley picking on dev/publisher instead of all of them who do such shit?
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>Playing vanilla EU when Mayo and texas 2.0 is out

Are you people insane. You can actually play a good game now.
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>>380761437
Never heard of it.
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>>380760134
>HOL4
HOl4 is fucking garbage. No amount of dlc is going to fix it. Just pirate it and play it yourself because it sure as hell will NEVER be worth the money.

That is unless they completely change the core gameplay. Which they never will or they'll charge money for it.
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>>380761621
Why would I play something the Death & Taxes team worked on, Meiou was alright, but DnT was fucking awful
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>>380761386
>>380761157
Yes I see basetax, as it existed in eu3 basically.
So?
I don't see the province development that you could actively improve and add to the current development.
So an old feature wasn't removed, and then sold in a dlc.
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>>380761749
2.0 is much better than old M&T
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doesn't matter if they raised base prices because it can be seen if you still get a good deal or not with certain sites
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>>380751781
Good, I hope they do fucking crash and burn to the point of bankruptcy where they have to sell their franchises and then a noteworthy company gets their hands on the VTMB IP and something something amazing with it.

Imagine a VTM game under fucking Parajews.
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>>380758449
That's not source.
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>>380753446
They had a reputation, they traded their reputation in for more money.

Now their jewry is getting them what they deserve. People don't want to pay $90 in DLC for a $60 game. Give people a full game, or get bent.
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>>380762521
Go ask DDRJake then, he's streaming right now.
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>>380758298
>swedes shooting themselves in the foot

this is just like my pottery class where we made bowls out of clay
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I sincerely hope they see a huge drop in sales, but I have a hunch that they won't. Dumb cocksuckers are going to keep buying half-finished DLC and "immersion packs" and they're going to tolerate it.

I used to pirate their DLC, but I turned around and started purchasing it on sale after I stopped pirating altogether. But now I'm changing that stance, because I got fucked over one too many times by them.
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>>380758298
#rekt
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I'm not against DLC as a form of small but more regular expansions at a much lower price. The problem with Paradox is that they take the 'small' and 'regular' parts very seriously but expect you to pay full expansion pack prices. This isn't new, the price hike is just the catalyst for community anger over it.

Just look at how much they charge for 'content packs', the ones that consist of a few models and retextures that were cut from the expansions and are being sold separately. They've had this backlash coming for a long time, I just hope it's not ineffectual.
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>New Hearts of Iron DLC
>$9.99 for 4 new focus trees for literally who nations
>All of them are just the same old shit - do you want to be communist or fascist? Do you want some civilian factories? How about a doctrine discount?
>Somehow they fucked up the AI even more and now you'll have the Soviets running 10 million men into a wall of forts and you'll walk away with about 5000 casualties on your side
This Jew company has gone too far
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>>380751781
There's a steam sale?
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>>380763703
This. As much as this board likes to bash Bethesda, they've got one of the best DLC policies (horse armor aside). 20 euros for content that provides a complete new experience and gives hours of playtime and yet is different to the main game
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>>380751781
Yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me.
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>>380756407
In all honesty: Has there ever been a company that didn't get ruined utterly by going public?
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>>380759169
>>380759046
>>380759225
>>380759912
>>380761480
>>380761758

Here's province building before Common sense pay walled it off you retards. This was removed and replaced with the new system all you babies know of. The AI could used the new system but you couldn't and had no way to use the old system either since it was removed.

Now stfu while the adults are talking little paradrones.
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>>380763858
Yes, their several-year-old games & all the DLC (except for everything published in the last year) is now 75% off!

You still have to pay $5-$10 more for the game than the last time it was on sale for 75% off, but don't let silly things like numbers get in your way! Make sure to buy all the latest DLC to get the best experience in your grand strategy gaming!
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>>380754227
I got a copyright claim so...I'm buying games for the next year if I don't want the jews knocking on my door....
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>>380763971
Bethesda has said it before that they were trying multiple models of DLC with Oblivion to see what worked best.

They tried to sell little cosmetic improvements like Horse Armor, and that backfired horribly (why they want to try that again with this Creation Club bullshit is anyone's guess).
Then they sold little quests, and that got some more positive feedback.
Then they did big content packs like Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine, and they realized that had the best positive response, so they stuck with that model for FO3, NV, Skyrim, and FO4.
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>>380763971
back in the day we called these expansion packs, not DLC

It used to be that the expansion pack was almost a sequel/new game.

See Starcraft and Starcraft Brood War
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> Wanted to buy Pillars and Tyranny during the summer sale
> See the price increase
Guess I'll pirate them now. It's their loss really.
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>>380765545
Broodwar was a pretty crappy expansion in terms of content. A campaign that was shorter than vanilla and only two or three new units for every faction. No new factions, no new mechanics, nothing fundamentally changed.
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>>380765976
>A campaign that was shorter than vanilla
I don't think you quite understand how expansions work...
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>>380751781
>raised the prices of all their games a week ahead of the steam sale
this is legit illegal, please source me famoli so i can report them to ACCC
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>>380760225
Why are people shitting on Tyranny last i heard people were sucking it's dick? Was it that bad?
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>>380766354
Extremely disappointing. And this is coming from someone that loves PoE.
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>>380766354
I did some research myself, apparently the first half of the game is superb, the last half was garbage.

Also the ending is decided by a choice you made in the tutorial, which defeats the purpose of any decisions you make later in the game.
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>>380751781
>specialize in a niche genre most people never even heard of
>"to cope with the low sales we will just rip off the few paying customers we have. these retards are gonna buy it anyways."

I like EU and HoI but Paradox really needs to go bankrupt.
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>>380766670
I think the first half is pretty bad too. The ending is the same cliffhanger no matter which choice you made, although they are supposedly adding a patch with one additional one.
There are certain choices in the game that force you onto a path for the rest of the game, where you proceed to lose the ability to make choices.
It's just very lazily written, with tons of poor under-developed characters and a plot that completely betrays how awesome the concept for the actual game is.
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>>380751781
Anyone mind telling me what the original prices were? I have PoE but I don't remember how much I bought it for.
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>>380766732
They need a competitor.
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>>380761719
>blitzkrieg movement was behind a paywall
That was the point i gave up on paradox
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>>380751781
God I love piracy.
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>>380751781
>Never fell for the Paradox jew meme
Why the fuck did people buy their shit so much?
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>>380767113
literally no alternatives
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>paid mods by bethesda
>Take two and R* ban modding tools for singleplayer
>Paradox jewery is through the roof
The fuck is happening? Are they actually retarded?
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>>380764737
>Here's province building before Common sense pay walled it off you retards.
Yeah, they changed the building system. So what?
Did they make it so you couldn't build buildings anymore unless you bought the dlc?
No, no they did not.
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>>380767174
Key word is BUY.
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>>380759017
>le anarchists
>le revolution xD
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>>380757931
>Bless online

How hard is it to bring a game over?
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>>380751781
>Paradox raised the prices of all their games a week ahead of the steam sale (as much as 50% increase in some cases)
In Sukastan they raised the prices so much that sale prices are the same as old vanilla prices, if not more. Fuck Paradox.
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>>380767316
Actually they did.
The amount of buildings you can build in a province is limited by the development of a province.
And since again, you can't increase development of a province without the DLC you cannot build building in provinces you could before.
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>>380767342
fuck off paradox
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>>380767536
>The amount of buildings you can build in a province is limited by the development of a province.
So the answer to the question, "did they make it so you couldn't build buildings anymore unless you bought the dlc?", is not
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>>380751781
You can only squeeze your customers and pretend it's all good for so long. I used to support them, but I can see why people have had enough. It's like dumping sludge into a lake, at first it all seems fine since there are no immediate effects but if you keep it up eventually the eco system will collapse and you can't just restore it by reducing or stopping the sludge flow. Once you crossed the line it'll take a lot of time and effort to clean up the mess you created.
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>>380767547
>LOL viva la revolution xD
you all niggas are embarrassing
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>>380767667
>Before you could X as much as you want
>now you can only do X Y times
>The only way to increase Y is to buy DLC
Can you stop being such an obvious shill?
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>>380767667
>Moving the goalpost this much

Man you fucks are dedicated. How much is paradox paying you guys?
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>>380767765
Seriously. They need to hire a better class of shill with all the money they're making off their jacked up prices.
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>>380767342
how does bullying translate into anarchy?
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>>380751781
They really deserve to take huge losses for all the shit they've done over the last few years. They've been dead to me since they started taking CK2 into a reddit meme lol random direction with retarded £15 dlcs about magic and DUDE INCEST LMAO. They ruined something that had great potential and every one of their games are always bugged to fuck.
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>>380767728
>Dude, just eat the shit they serve you, bro.
Not everybody likes it up the ass, you know?
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>>380751781
Even though I play and enjoy their games I seriously hope that they suffer. I'm sick of their terrible shitty DLC model and the long streak of mediocrity they've been running recently. It's obvious that they've stopped trying and stopped caring about making good games, just fucking look at Hearts of Iron 4 in comparison to earlier Hearts of Iron titles. That's the future of Europa Universalis. That's the future of Victoria, if it ever comes back (I hope it doesn't).
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>>EU4 rating has dropping from overwhelmingly positive to mostly negative.
EU4 seemed like a very complex game to me the first 4 hours I played. Then it turned out it was a simple as fuck and very shallow game, just badly presented.

Only worth blobbing once or twice with your favourite nation and that's it.

Good riddance to Paradox Interactive, I hope they go bankrupt and all their good IPs get bought by nu-THQ.
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>>380768113
Their games aren't shit, it's the price that's too high.
Do you even know what you are talking about
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>>380754083
anything not in America
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>>380755546
w&b
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>>380767839
No you are moving the goalpost.
First it was development, then it was base tax, then it was buildings,
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>>380766931
I doubt there ever will be a competitor to Paradox in the GS market. They have the advantage of already having an engine to work off of as well as money and brand recoginition, any other publisher is either too big to care about a niche market like Grand Strategy or is too small to put in the required funds for a non-shit game. The only publisher that comes close to competing with Paradox is Slitherine, but they've pretty much stated that they will only make and publish wargames and other miscellaneous strategy games.
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Here's the official reason for why they're increasing the prices

Basically they're super jews.
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>>380751781
Paradox reminds me of those Patreon funded hentai games that never get finished because then people have no reason to give the developer money anymore. The DLC model practically rewards mediocrity so there is always something to "improve upon" for $14.99.
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>>380765857
If you can pirate why would you pay in the first place....
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>>380751781
One reason why im not gonna buy Steel Division Normandy 44. Love Eugene but they really fucked up hard working with paradox on that one. I already know it's gonna have a shitty dlc before the year is out.
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>>380758298
Are they fucking serious
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>>380768840
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What's with all these mods locked behind paracucks forum anyway?

Are modders good goys?
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>>380768840
Extremely convenient to do this just before a sale but probably enough to cover their asses legally.
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>>380767342
more like >le autism

now all he needs is the next hitler who gas gamers and he can form gamer state
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>>380769101
see
>>380769038
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>>380768840
Also the funniest part is
>increased purchasing power
>in the EU, Russia and Turkey
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>>380768840
>literally have buttons for "agree" and "RESPECTFULLY disagree" on their forums

how thin skinned can you be?
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>>380768507
Buildings ARE the development of a province. I didn't post that base tax picture shill
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Paradox is probably my favorite developer and publisher, but this is getting way out of hand.
They make awesome games and had a great policy about their games and dlc, but now they are just milking everything.
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can someone link me to some DLC for EU IV? I can't support this jewish company any longer
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>>380768123
>That's the future of Europa Universalis. That's the future of Victoria
I don't think they can afford any of their future games being HOI4 levels of bad. It was garbage on release, still garbage after patches and has worse DLC practices than EU or CK.

Vicky 3 having the same dumbed down gameplay and dogshit AI as HOI4 would cause such a huge shitstorm that even some of the good Goyim on the Paradox forum would join in.
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>>380769350
>great policy about their games and dlc,
>release a game in a barely playable state
>add features in small dribbles for 15 bucks a pop
SO GREAT
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>>380768840
>we intentionally changed prices
oh boy I'm glad, I thought the tooth fairy was messing with your pc's again
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>>380754083
Here

>Affected Countries:

Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Eu Countries
Hong Kong
Indıa
Indonesia
Japan
Malaysia
Mexica
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Peru
Philippines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Africa
South Korea
Taiwan
Thailand
Turkey
UAE
United Kingdom

Also a example of price increase . Here is prices for Russia http://i.imgur.com/daWq94w.png
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>>380768840
>Implying those prices will ever lower once their "Purchasing power" goes up

Holy shit these guys
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>>380769494
https://hastebin.com/raw/moqugasume
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>>380769494
The generals on /vg/ used to have links to all the Paradox DLC, look there.
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>>380768840
Were do they copy/paste these kind of texts? I swear league of legends published almost the same wall of text when the prices went up.
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>>380769515
>release Together for Victory
>publicly apologize on forum for a small amount of content and promise to release only big DLC from now on
>few months later
>release DLC with even less content

get_fucked_season_pass_owners_face.jpeg
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>>380769727
>Most of South America
Goddammit Paradox, our currency is barely able to keep up. The game is literally as expensive as the computer to play it on.
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>>380769318
>Buildings ARE the development of a province
Not Development as a name of a specific mechanic of the game.
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>>380769845
they don't anymore because redditors reported the pastebins and mega links and kept reporting new ones
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>>380768840
its not a big deal anyway, pillars was already 50% of a few months after release
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>>380754418
Thx mate
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>>380769997
I was going to just buy the base game and pirate the DLC's but this shit just made me pirate the whole thing, fucking jews.
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>>380769494
https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=63384&hilit=europa+universalis
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>>380769557
>Sword of Islam
>Legacy of Rome
>The Old Gods
>Sons of Abraham

>Wealth of Nations
>Art of War
>Common Sense

>A House Divided
>Heart of Darkness

All amazing dlc's that made the games much better. Now they add almost nothing - and are STILL expensive. That is the issue.
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>>380751781
I legitimately own a lot of Paradox games.

I ain't buying anymore DLC. I will pirate games I legit own for the DLC.

Sucks too, since they support their games on Linux and cracks don't get released for Linux.
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>tfw one of the few companies you could say you're a fan of is slowly turning into EA
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>>380769110
>just before a sale
when was the sale?
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>>380770445
if you're a fan of paradox you're a retard they've been ultra jews since CK2 came out if not arguably earlier
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>>380760134
You're only going to get fun out of HoI4 by fighting other people. AI is mouthbreathing retarded still.
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>>380770451
Steam sale is in around one week
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>>380770547
Rolling over the entire planet with your invincible armies of [country] is fun once or twice
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>>380770445
>being a "fan" of a corporation
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>>380770105
It's not hard to believe there are paradox shills HERE AT THIS VERY MOMENT. IN THIS VERY THREAD SHILLING!
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>>380770692
More fun to fight a player desu
This is assuming said player isn't a minmaxing bastard giving away all his old tanks to other players causing a snowball, but still.
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>>380751781
This is what happens when chinks get their hands on shit. Chinks are literally the Jews of asia.
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Yeah, can't wait for the company to sink and no more Crusader Kinds or Europa Universalis anymore!
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>>380770445
I don't give a shit whether or not a particular company is jewish but I give a shit whether or not they make good games. It just so happens that Paradox kept shitting the bed now with HoI4 and have this kind of problem.
I abandoned Civ because of V and now this is happening to Paradox
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>>380758489
is that an infection or is that normal for that insect?
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>>380770938
Jews care about other jews
China was one of the countries hit by the biggest price increases.
Chinks are like mega jews that only care for themselves.
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Jesus I'm only now going trough the thread on their forums
>Prices won't change anytime soon
>But we are keeping an eye on this thread and will change prices eventually
They are basically saying they increased the prices only for the fucking sale.
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>>380751781
>People are finally waking up to paradox's dlc jewry bullshit and ripping them a new asshole.
>Finally waking up
>FINALLY
Son, did you spend last 4 years under a rock or something?
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>>380770389
Arguably Sword of Islam should've been included in the base game anyways because before it you couldn't even play as Muslims. I mean sure it's "Crusader" Kings but theres two sides to a crusade.
>>380770451
There's a weekend deal going on right now for EU4, not sure about the other games.
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>>380770535
Nigger CKII is goddamn nothing compared to the crime against humanity that was Sword of the Stars II.
They consistently overcharge for content, but at least it used to be meaningful content. Now the nose is getting too big to ignore, and even their game design is suffering for it due to some really eyebrow-raising internal decisions. Comparing the development diaries between Victoria II and EUIV is a sad, sad thing.
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>>380771237
Which is actually illegal in several countries.
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>>380771272
I think he's talking about the people on the Paradox forums who have always sucked their dick no matter what they did.
If the forums themselves are shitting on them it's bad
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>>380771237
Well dont buy their games then, whatever. 4chan not very smart you people realize you get pulled over the barrel in all fields of life.
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>>380770451
The summer sale is next week anon.
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>>380755546
White men
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>>380770547
>>380770826
>>380760134

Or assuming that they aren't minmaxing divisions too.. are 10 marines and 2 artillery in a division still broken?
Also the only thing worth playing HOI4 for now is Kaiserreich, I'm pretty sure the creators of that mod actually care more about the game than the developers.
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>>380770691
So 1½ months before the sale, how many sales are there a year?
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Did they seriously charge 10 dollars so you could press one of three buttons every couple of years for a minor benefit
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>>380771118
>Jews care about other jews
They jew eachother all the time. Sure rich jews look out for eachother, but they treat the rest the same as dirty goyim.
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>>380768840
Have they gone insane?
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>>380768840
>Russia
>purchasing power after recent crysis when dollar fucking doubled it's price in rubles
Totally fucking legit reason to ramp up the prices. I can't even fucking buy hardware now. Why would I buy an overpriced paradox shit?
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>>380768952
dumb maki poster
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>>380756613
I played it vanilla, then get back at Common Sense, then Rights of Man.
The game is finally playable at this stage, but the fact it takes 9 DLCs (basically trippling the game price) AND now they are literally shitting out country packs, one country at a time, for DLC, makes me simply stay at pirated version. The last Paradox game I bought blind (knowing it will be good) was Victoria 2. I didn't bought EU4 until RoM and it's still just a vanilla game, because I couldn't care less about paying triple for the DLCs.
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>>380771589
I can't figure out which DLC you're talking about, it could be a few different ones.
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>>380771734
Funny thing is that Russia was hit the hardest after China.
The prices in Russia literally doubled.
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>>380771415
Oh, if this happend then indeed shit hit the fan.
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Good.
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>>380769727
On one hand, that's really fucking shitty.

On the other, fuck everyone not America
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Good, now I won't feel guilty pirating their games.
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>>380766863
They increased prices by $6/Euro/Bongbucks on average for all their games, PoE included.

You can check the price changes yourselves.
https://www.steamprices.com/

PI really upped them.
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>There are people who have actually bought all the dlc in EU4
Holy shit you have to be a massive fucking cuck to give a single penny to the those swedish jews.
I've been pirating the games of paradox and have never looked back. The combined price of their dlc is fucking insane.
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>>380772139
good goy
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>>380771820
Not him, but it sounds like Mare Nostrum. All it did was adding corruption, changed one of the mods into in-game espionage system and added few buttons to make army/fleet management easier. Literally the worst DLC to EU4. Not evem Mandate of Heaven and the new Tsardom one are this bad, because they at least add new game mechanics that can be used in mods, unlike Mare Nostrum, which added nothing to the game itself, just made the interface slightly less fucked up
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>>380758449
FUCKING HORSE SHIT WE JUST GAVE 85MILJARDS EUROS TO GREECE AGAIN AND NOW WE GET THIS SHIT WHY CANT WE LEAVE THE EU ALL IT DOES IS DESTROY OUR ECOMONY YES IM 100% MAD AND BUTT HURT
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>>380772139
>implying they're not going to increase the price for Clappers
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>>380752840
People here were talking about the sequel and went to check out the first and maybe buy it..

Fuck em.
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>>380771049
It's normal - those are eggs.
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>>380772312
And they say that pirates aren't the true master race
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>>380771920
Not just their company forums either it's on the steam forms and ALL of those shitty reddit pages dedicated to their games.
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>>380751781
Should've made EU5 and CK3 already instead of shitload of stuff that adds nothing fun, to be honest.
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>>380768840
*Respectfully disagrees*
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Try to explain any of this shit on reddit and you just get down voted to oblivion.
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>>380769297
It's better, used to be just Disagree
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>>380772312
I've got a standard policy for each new Paradox game:
>Game comes out
I wait for at least 3 months until community feedback allows to fix all the shit-tier bugs and patch things out
>3 months passed
I pirate it and play. If it looks good, I note it. If it's boring shit, I note it. After single playthrough I get rid of it
>At least 3 DLCs are churmed up already
I check the game at this stage again via pirate. I compare how did it improved/downproved from the first impression. After single playthrough I get rid of it. Unless it was really good (still didn't happen), so I would buy the vanilla
>The game is on for at least 2 years/8 DLCs
I check it out again. If it's good at this stage, I buy vanilla. If in 30 months it has less than 5 DLCs - Paradox doesn't care about it and neither should I. If it's still shit, it will never be good, so no point giving a fuck anymore.
>Assuming the game was good at this stage
I have legal vanilla and pirate all DLCs, both already released and future ones.

I miss times when they were making expansions. At least you had the feeling there was some sense of real direction and they were releasing something that really was changing the game, rather than adding few minor bits and new interface button.
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>>380772459
Can't increase the price on piratebay
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Damn shame, I really enjoyed Stellaris but a lot of these fixes for dire problems in the game seem to be coming from 20$ DLC packs.

I didn't buy the 10$ .gif pack, but I did get Leviathans and Utopia. I won't be buying others.
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>>380751781
Hopefully Bethesda burns next, the cunts
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>>380772909
Even Reddit is mad right now, though as expected, they're calling them shekel-grabbing kikes
The real Paradrones are at the Paradox forums, and even there they're evenly matched with angry Russians
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>>380772909
Plenty of reasons to dislike paradox, but sadly this thread is filled with disinfo, which I can see being downvoted.
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>>380771396
Isn't that the case in Sweden as well?
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>>380772687
This would be the only acceptable reason.
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Why does every company that buys White Wolf go down the shitter shortly after? First CCP, now this.
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>>380772909
As a guy who is a regular on Paradox's reddit - it's in flames too. The only place that still holds out (barely) is the official Paradox forum, simply because they can delete whatever they want to delete.
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Paradox failed me when the closed down the Putin mod for DH and banned novapaddy from the forums
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>>380771049
Some other insect laid eggs on/in it. There's a type of wasp that does the same thing to tarantulas.

Stings the tarantula to paralyze but not kill it. Then stabs it and lays eggs inside the tarantula, then carried the tarantula to a nest and buries it inside a dirt ball. The tarantula is alive, but eventually stops being paralyzed. Eventually the eggs hatch and the larvae eat the tarantula alive before gestating into adult wasps and digging out of the dirt ball and flying away.

Sometimes you can find these dirt balls laying around, and if you crack them open you'll free a bunch of trapped spiders and/or wasps.

>he thinks I'm joking
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Oh yeah, you can't download mods for their games with steamworkshopdownloader either.
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>>380771396
It's illegal in the entire EU. I already reported them to my country's consumer protection agency. It will take many months but PI will pay for breaking the law.
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>>380772887
What for, so they can go the Kalypso route of releasing the exact same game with a couple new features and be functionally exactly the same as just releasing a new DLC? Or strip the game down to a few core features so they can sell DLC adding them back all over again, like Firaxis?
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>>380772687
>You did a shit thing that I didn't like, so now I'm going to jack up the prices to my game even though you're all probably pirating it already

Man, I wish I could make people I don't like pay more for my product.
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>>380773217
not calling them shekel-grabbing kikes*, of course
It's still at the very restrained Reddit style, the "friendly pointing out" that Paradox content has sharply decreased in quality, and loyal fans aren't getting a fair deal
In reality, Paradox is one of the most disgusting companies right now when it comes to DLC. Imagine if the Oblivion Horse Armor costed $10 for the HP bonis alone, had a trailer talking about knights and cataphracts. The actual armor model is another $5 "content pack".
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>>380773585
I just downloaded that mod just fine.
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>>380773427
>Some other insect laid eggs on/in it
Yeah, a female of his species.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belostomatidae#Breeding
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>>380773072
Is there a way to play multiplayer with a cracked version of Stellaris?
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>>380772887
This. It took them all those years to finally make EU4 playable (I say the Rights of Man DLC is the turning point), which means when (and if) EU5 will came out, it won't be for next 4-5 years, because they are too busy capitalising on EU4 and with CK2 and Stellaris it basically takes away all their manpower. The HoI team is so understaffed they can barely do ANYTHING, and at this point it looks like HoI might get canned after the next DLC, unless it will truly fix the AI and make the game playable, because with sales like this and such small staff, it's going to the bin.
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>>380773882
Daily reminder East vs West was cancelled, because they had to choose if they want to shit out a DLC for CK2 or support EvW
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>>380773645
I'm sure they will.
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>>380773845
I think my friend pirated it and we've played together, but I'm not sure if she ended up getting it for real or not.

Offline atm so I can't ask sorry :/
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>>380751781
>that pic

and yeah, paracuck went to shit after eu4.
GOY4 and the price hike were just the nail in the coffin.

Hopefully this means we'll see an alternative studio rising up to the task of making some more gsg
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>>380774043
No worries anon that's all I needed to know thanks.
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>>380771518
what exactly is kaiserreich? been hearing alot about it, but don't really know what it is and the mod page doesn't tell me much.
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>>380773882
Going by the qualoty of their DLCs and HoI4, Paradox will never make a good game again.
If any team stills has any talent at all, it might be Stellaris, since the first real DLC was just fanpandering, by adding features which are very requested, but make for poor gameplay, such as superstructures and hiveminds.
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>>380751781
lol good, I don't own any Paradox games because they're gay as fuck but nice to see them getting rekt lmao gg
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>>380774024
I know that to Americans the idea of citizens having rights and government agencies protecting those rights sounds absurd but that's really how things work in the civilized world. Why the fuck do you think Steam started offering refunds? Hint: it wasn't because the Fatman is your friend.
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>>380774198
It's an alt-history mod, if Germany won WW1. Played the DH mod a lot, never played the HoI4 one
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Swedes need all the extra money from DLC to house their mandatory, state-issued (((migrant)))
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>>380774257
Superstructers were some of the most disappointing things I have ever seen.
I don't even fucking know how it was possible to fuck it up so badly.
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>>380774198
Alternate universe where the central powers win the first world war and Germany becomes the pre-eminent world power.
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>>380755363
Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned/Nor hell a fury like a gamer scorned
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>>380773882
CK2's Monks and mystics was and still is a fucking travesty

Not a lot to it, what's there is completely unfinished AND made the game broken as fuck
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>>380774395
I know that, but apparently its supposed to "be a complete overhaul", but then the page doesn't say how it does that.
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>>380774012
How do you know that? NDA get lifted? Has it been that long already?
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>>380773585
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>>380774464
How so I haven't bought that dlc for the game?
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>>380774567
It includes events and national focuses for all countries, adds more political parties, and adds more stuff to the government tab. Also most major wars are ended by events that trigger when you occupy some land and give you options of how you want to end the war rather than a peace conference where the AI just takes whatever.
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>>380773882
>The HoI team is so understaffed they can barely do ANYTHING, and at this point it looks like HoI might get canned after the next DLC,

HOI4 is an absolute mess, and this is from someone who actually likes the game. From the rate progress is made, it literally feels like there's 2 guys and their dog working on it in their spare time.

But this may have been theoretically workable anyway, if only they fucking focused on stuff that needed to be fixed instead of tweaking random meaningless shit all over the place. It seems like the only competent manager at Paradox is Wiz, and everyone else is a buffoon who drives the games into the ground.
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>>380751781
>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
you mean in general, or did they do it now in particular?

>EU4 rating has dropping from overwhelmingly positive to mostly negative.
you mean the recent reviews, and they were very positive i believe, not overwhelmingly
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>>380774557
I've dropped CK2 at Conclave. The game was never really fun for me, jsut a time burner, but at Conclave it reached new heights of unfun, so I stopped following it.
What does this DLC do? If it does anything at all or just asks for money for some trival shit?
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>>380774557
You can actually copy illegal dlc files in your original ck2 game without the game noticing it is illegal have been doing this for a while
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>>380774429
Epic
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>they are jewing us!

Whats with this victim complex? Guys, stop being niggers.
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>>380761621
>>380761749
>>380762195
>playing bloat and talex
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Let's be honest here, HOI4 is literally the shittiest game that Paradox has ever produced, even shittier than release stellaris.

>retarded resource system (tanks need fuel to be built, but not to drive around)
>shallow air zone system (way too big)
>so much mana (Militarymana, Führermana)
>shitty Naval system
>the entire combat aspect of the game is "dude draw a line to moscow lmao". If your combat system sucks so bad, that you spend most of the development on an automation process, then why have this combat system in the first place?
>no espionage
>politics are total shit
>Even HOI2 had a better OOB system
>too lazy to make good leader portraits for most countries

And then they have the audacity to release DLC that adds minuscule mechanics and mostly consists of stuff that modders have been shitting out on a daily basis. And what's even worse is that the DLC is a buggy mess, with missing strings and a fucking national focus that causes your country's leader to resign for no fucking reason.
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>>380774791
It's all very mild and barely game changing.
Ringworld give you the equivalent of 4 25 tiles gaia worlds, which is huge by the early and mid game, but measly by the time you do build them. Dyson Spheres and the science thing are worse, it's just straightforward production, and quite small by the late game.
Habitats are pretty cool though
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>>380774791
They are useless and irrelevant.
One of them is a supper satellite that reveals the entire map.
Here's how you build it.
>You make sure you have enough resources
>you start building it
>you wait 5 years where nothing happens and 20% is done
>you then pay more resources and wait another 5 years till another 20% is done
>Repeat till 100%
It's basically the canals from EU4 but without the constant events that ask for more resources.

Theo only cool thing is the habitat.
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>>380774947
>What does this DLC do?

Add artifacts and societies

Artifacts are mostly fine but societies are completely barebones, and religious societies completely fuck the game up to the point where every game you have retarded shit like Charlemagne converting to Islam, or have a Zunist britain
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>>380774429
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>>380775138
Agree with everything but you aren't forced to use the AI, you can still micromanage divisions if you want to. The AI is just for people who were tired of playing HoI3 as if it were a turn based game.
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>>380775124
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>>380775124
They said they increased the prices because of the sale
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>>380769251
You don't seem to understand, they mean that the Euro/Ruble/etc. has weakened versus the dollar so you need more to buy the same amount of stuff as the dollar.

As a result, prices in those regions have gone up to better compare against the dollar.
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>>380774859
Technically the incoming DLC is mainly focused on fixing AI, so the gameplay changes are very minor. But the first reaction was "wait, why the fuck you want to make a DLC about 3rd rate powers that some are not ever present anymore at '39 start".

I hope they are going to fix the fucking AI, because the game is still perfectly salvagable, if only AI knows how to play it.
Jesus, how could they fuck up so bad from HoI3? They've "fixed" all the things that were good into a complete mess and in turn added fuckload of retarded features. Seriously, the only good things in HoI4 right now is the way how production of gear is handled (I fucking love the concept of making all the stuff separately and outfitting units with it) and that you no longer build ships using IC, but shipyards (so you no longer can shit-out 50 BBs as Germany after taking over France). But that's it. The sole fact they've removed supplies and fuel from the equation is a fucking joke.
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>>380774012
EvW was canceled, because the external studio that worked on it were a bunch of idiots that couldn't manage their own project. At some point PDX had to cut the cord, the delays had become too much.

Just have a look at the leaked version, it's a buggy mess. But at least we got a great OST out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIzpGgK-jg
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>>380775309
Societies are garbage for the actual CK2 setting but really good for mods like the Warhammer mod.
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>>380775518
t. Wesker
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>>380775138
You forgot about the worst problem, that makes the rest of issues literally dwarf:
FUCKING BRAIN-DEAD AI!
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>>380775395
If I wanted to mircomanage all this stuff, then why not play HOI3? At least that game had a fucking terrain mapmode!
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>>380775518
You've confused EvW with Magna Mundi issues, mate. EvW was simply canned due to financial and manpower issues. And that was (yes, I'm prepared for lynch) a GOOD choice. The last good choice Paradox made. Because soon after they've still run out of manpower while managing all the DLCs, so there was literally nobody left to handle HoI. Adding EvW to the equation would literally fired in their faces
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>>380775005
Do you still get steam achievements for that?

>>380774557
Honestly im just waiting for them to fill in the rest of the map for ck2. They're filling in the tibet region and maybe more of africa next. After i get that they can fuck off and go bankrupt
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>>380769727
>United Kingdom
>After the pound's value has fallen to the fucking Yen

At least make up a proper excuse paradox.
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>>380775138
Nah, I agree with most of the changes and I see why they would pick a simplified resource and supply systems.
The problem is the AI some mods have almost fixed by giving it good builds.
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>>380775309
>religious societies completely fuck the game up to the point where every game you have retarded shit like Charlemagne converting to Islam, or have a Zunist britain

Yeah, well that was already happening since Reapers Due because of those doctors you can hire.

I'll just wait until they iron stuff out. It's not THAT big of a deal since the game is constantly getting patched. They give us so much free content and updates along with the DLCs. If it was any other company you would just get the middle finger and end up with products like 'Total War 2 : Rome'.

So hopefully they learn their lesson, lower the prices, and get back to doing stuffwithout this drama, like giving the Manicheanism religion new mechanics.
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>>380775138
>focus trees vary between hot garbage and close to op
>literally industrial development out of the ass, wait 70 days to magically get 4-6 factories out of nowhere
>also, memes
The newest DLC gives you the ability to reform Austria-Hungary through NFs alone, for fuck's sake
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>>380774557
And the previous one was Conclave which also fucked the game completely and after 100 years transformed every fucking country in Europe into an Elective Monarchy.
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>>380775309
This has never happened to me but what I've seen is that converting religion is hard as fuck now. When you conquer heathen lands now you have to specially keep an eye on who you assign those land to or he may secretly convert to the local religion and start trying to invite your other vassals into it.

If you see your new lands never converting even when using the council priest then you now know why.
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>>380775582
I had a major hardon for EvW, don't give me that shit. I even researched 30+ leaders when those guys crowdsourced parts of their research work.

The game had good ideas, but was ultimately held back by being based on an old version of the HOI3 framework. Essentially it was a really ambitious mod for a WW2 wargame, when it should have been its completely own thing, fusing Vicky2 with HOI3 military gameplay.
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>>380775890
Yeah as long as you own the base game on steam you can still get achievements. It literally treats it as if you legitimately own the DLC, so it works for multiplayer too where if you host a game everyone can use your DLC.
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>>380775460
What annoys me in the production system is the autistic approach from the one side (you need all things separately made) combined with abstract numbers. I mean if you need rifles, trucks and tanks to make a tank division, why not REALISTIC numbers of them, instead of abstraction? Especially since your manpower is counted from actual, realistic number, but the gear is still handled in abstraction. WHY?!
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>>380775890
I dont know I always play modded
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>>380776053
>I'll just wait until they iron stuff out
Not him, but how many years we are waiting already for CK2 to be fully functional game?
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>>380768840
>respectfully disagree
Absolutely fucking pathetic
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>>380776053
The sad part is that your post probably isn't ironic
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>>380776292
>we are waiting already for CK2 to be fully functional game?
It was a fully functional game before Way of Life. Thank Jesus, I can revert to that patch.
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>>380776179
It's still a step up from the IC system. If you want to go full autism, then I recommend you check out Gary Grigsby's War in the East, which does handle equipment like you describe it.
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>>380776292

Reapers due fixed a lot of the issues with the game, its just that since then new issues have popped up.
>ib4 nit-picking
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>>380774859
>wiz
>competent

"Hey guys I know war, diplomacy, economy and basically everything important is broken or bland but we're going to redo habitability for the nth time!"
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>>380776098
That's not too hard to accept.
France was an elective monarchy and they just about conquered every fucking country in Europe.
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>>380776409
Pre Monks+Mystics CK2 is probably the latest version of a Paradox game that's genuinely good and not horribly broken in some way.
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>>380763784
I bought the core game (discounted) so I could download the mods on the workshop. Mods can still partially save this game.
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>>380776179
There is a mod for this. It's a bit wonky about the hardware and details, but at least it handles rifles and trucks (you need a FUCKLOAD of them) properly.

But like I said, the overall concept for the production is good. It's the details that need serious work, but they have zero manpower to work on HoI. I just wish they've fucking stop meddling with CK2 for a while, redirect resources on making HoI semi-playable and just fucking improve their own fucking management. How fucking hard it could be to have a fucking team rotation?! It's not like those people aren't working on 3 games at the same time anyway, so why not just rotate them around, instead of semi-rigid positions and then running out of employees when making another game?
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>>380769297
Yeah it's crazy how much it can trigger people that it says respectfully disagree
people must be fucking flayed
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>>380776053
You're going to be called a shill for saying that, but honestly I agree, buying Paradox is like making a deal with the devil. You're almost always buying overpriced nonsense that eventually turns into a good game. Which is, again, totally something reasonable to be mad about as a consumer, but it has always, ALWAYS been the case.
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Honestly at this point CK2 is only playable with CK+ or with HIP
M&T for EU4 is great but it slows the game a bit and also right now it's still unfinished and filled with errors. Also it can cause a shitton of crashes.
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Reminder that Johan is intentionally trying to drive Paradox deeper into crisis and rile up their customers against them, only so that in their darkest hour, he can coup the entire management and finally drive out the jews.
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>>380762521
If you actually bought their games, you would know.
CK2 was 29.99€ before, it's now 39.99€.
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>>380776568
This is bait, right? Warfare and logistics in the Napoleonic era we're much different from the Middle Ages, and France was not an elective monarchy.
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>>380776717
>M&T for EU4 is great but it slows the game a bit and also right now it's still unfinished and filled with errors.
Yeah. There is some promise there, but they obviously need the time to polish.
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>>380769297
>>380772920
If you're not respectful you get banned.
It's a simple warning kiddos.
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>>380752840
PoE should have gotten the shitty reviews up front when it deserved it.
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>Caring about other countries
Since when is /v/ full of globalists? Who cares if they charge Russia more?
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>>380776445
Does it fix the AI? So I won't steam-roll Soviets/Germans/anyone else with 2 brigades of light tanks?

Because the game is so broken right now I can win Spanish Civil war by sending all the starting motorised units from Japan there and fight on the Repulican side and still win. Hell, I've managed to bog down Italians in Ethiopia by sending single Japanese unit there to keep gaining me experience.
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>>380776568
Countries becoming elective monarchy is not bad in itself. It's the fact that you as a player have to stay in power so you can do stuff around. If you are particularly screwed you can easily get a game over if the new king decides to revoke all your stuff out of nowhere.
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>>380776568
>France
>elective monarchy
You fucking what?
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>>380776812
Did you just assume my nationality?
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>>380776812
stop playing Swedish games
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>>380776721
I would have said you're just memeing poorly, but this is the man that said that the Holocaust will never be mentioned in HoI because he's "aiming for plausible history".
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>>380763971

kill yourself and stop enabling Beth's shitty DLCs. Shivering Isles was the last decent shit they put out, and even that was overrated. Now Bloodmoon was some tight shit
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It's a shame since all my favourite games are made by Paradox. I was hoping they would last until the Islamic conquest of Sweden in a few years but I guess we won't even get that long.
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>>380776996
Johan being an antisemite and staunch NatSoc is an open secret at this point
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>>380766956
>>blitzkrieg movement was behind a paywall
the fucking irony
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>>380776996
wtf i love swedes now
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>>380776790
Honestly their best fix is moving away from Mana doing everything in the game.
Just not being retarded will allow you to be constantly at the mana cap nonstop after 100-150 years.
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>>380776178
Nice good thing i at least own the base game
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>>380776504
Stellaris gets practically overhauled from the grounds-up every patch now. If there's anything to complain about, is how it's glitchy as shit, precisely because they change so much.
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>>380776445
>>380776602
I actually didn't mind HoI3 autism of managing supplies. At least it forced you to make tactical decisions. Invading other country? Great, but can you manage supplies? Making amphibious assault? Tough luck, because AI guards all ports really well, can you provide air supply drops to your units in other provices? Or can you take the port head-on? And that system could be easily streamlined, while also combiend with the current "you need to make all weapons and hardware seprately"
A fucking logistician wet dream game.
And while I know this is autism and very niche, I think this would improve the game greatly. Because it would force you to THINK how to run your war.
Instead you can't even make strategic stockpile of resources before war, so you can entirely ignore the convoy raiding, production and most importantly running your army, because you never going to run out of materials, while supplies and fuel is a non-issue now.

Also ,I think the air combat was changed in right direction, but each air region is WAAAY too big and the mechanics for air combat need an overhaul. But it was good decision to change planes from autistically sending support to single, specific province. But replacing single province with a region covering half of a country is literally the other end of the same problem and goes from "too focused" to "not focused at all". What difference does it make if I assign 1k of CAS to the air region, if I can't sum up more than 10 to a single combat?
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>>380776721
He's been stockpiling fuhrer mana for more than 70 years now
you have no idea what he is capable of
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>>380777068
>I was in the thread when the guy on /int/ drew that pic

great times
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>>380776782
None of that tech was needed for the revolution that lead to Napoleon and The Polish/Lithuanian Commonwealth was an elective monarchy in the 1500s.

But yeah, not every country should have powerful election demanding factions.
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>>380752840
Recent
> 155 reviews (mostly negative)
Overall
> 5,923 reviews (very positive)
Literally a vocal minority of whining man children
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>>380777412
Did they ever fix it so you can actually declare war in the game now?
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>>380777827
The game sucks because the games cost money for russians now.
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>>380777786
I was referring to the conquering Europe part. I know Poland was an elective monarchy.
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>>380751781
If you're going to make a thread like this, at least get the facts straight.
>>Paradox raised the prices of all their games a week ahead of the steam sale (as much as 50% increase in some cases)
They've doubled the price in some regions.
>>Removed features in game and repacked them in a new dlc you had to buy to get the utility back.
They never did that. They still release patches for 4 year old game, with balance changed and new mechanics, increasing the width and depth of the game. The problem is that they put most important changes behind a paywall, which results in a lesser game than you had before the patch.
>>Charging $10 for a handful of poorly drawn buttons and cheat buffs for an already overpowered nation.
If you're talking about Third Rome, then Russia was definitely not overpowered. The exact opposite actually, they were way too weak.
>>They refuse to bundle their dlc so your forced to buy it separately at full price.
True. Currently EU4 + all of the DLC is almost €300
>>Paradox went public in the stock market a while back and now their dlc quality is dropping like a brick.
True.
>>People are angry and taking it too paradox in the steam forums causing them to lock some of the threads as "off topic".
I don't go there, so I don't actually know.
>>EU4 rating has dropping from overwhelmingly positive to mostly negative.
The best part in all of this.
>>All their other games have dropped to mixed as of now.
Good.
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>>380777827
The negative reviews are because of what OP is talking about. The price for the game got ridiculously increased in a ton of regions.
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>>380777827
>>380778012
Stop samefagging, Wesker you homo
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funny, trump takes office, everyone's currency gets destroyed compared to the all mighty american dollar, and you are upset with the swedes because your countries currency has gone to shit? stop being poor third world countries.

besides
>buying any game ever
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>>380777436
Like anything old paradox did it was a good system in theory but they shat all over it in practice. Don't like the new system much at all.
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>>380778035
Not him, but the deal is simple - the game in current state uses single, extemely abstract "faction" system that is simply retarded. On paper it adds variety to the game and some additional choices to be made, but in reality is one of the most abstract elements that makes zero sense in most countries where factions simply didn't exist. Why the FUCK I need to deal with aristocrats in China? Why do I have issues with managing Church as Protestant country and bowing down to it? Why Russian even has burghers as a faction?
In the end all those factions do is removing player's agency and artificially making the game harder, since you need to land them to avoid annoying penalties from disloyalty AND in doing so you decrease your manpower and income, because faction-owned province can't have autonomy below 25%.
Also, the sole concept of "let's handle Orleans to Burghers faction!" is the abstraction in its finest.
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>>380769727
>No Argentina
based and white paradox
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>>380768840
Well then. I will stay away from buying anything published by Paradox like it's the fucking plague from now on.
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>>380778409
Which system? Air combat or production? And like I said - I like CONCEPTS behind them. They are great ideas, but they are utterly mishandled, so at least we agree on this bit I guess
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I just wish they had more dedicated people in the CK2 office that game feels like it desperately needs more flavor tossed into it that won't be ruined the instant a modder stops updating every patch the mod breaks
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>>380778394
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>>380778704
>it desperately needs more flavor
No no no no no
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>>380778394
>everyone's currency gets destroyed compared to the all mighty american dollar,
I know this is a bait, but it literally happend to Russia and NOBODY ELSE

Hell, ever since Trump was elected, dollar is actually CHEAPER in my country and stays in such state ever since.
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So is the reason they dropped Taleworlds is because they didn't want to play ball?
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>>380778540
No es justo
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>>380778686
Sorry forgot to mention that it was the supply system you mentioned. Don't like how casualised HoI4 is compared to HoI3 in places desu. Really the only part of HoI4 I like is how you have produce equipment for divisions and that's about it. I guess air and naval are handled better but both are giving me DH flashbacks of big blob = better
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>>380778846
you play as a mordvin or bolghar and tell me that is anything but bland

Even the Russians feel bland to me but that may just be my opinion far as they go. Feels as though they'll continue being as they are unless a Russian-centric DLC comes out, and even then I kind of doubt that anything besides Russians themselves will receive anything at all despite the Bolghars being a bunch of weirdos.
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>load up save to see what this AI is trying to pull
>see this
wtf
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>>380778704
As for now it has all the flavour it needs. Any other expansion in new culture group would mean utter break of existing system. Who you want to add? Chiese? Great, a meritocratic bureaucracy that is so ahead of everyone else in the game period it would just rape everyone, while not even bothering with 3/4 of game mechanics. Unless of course Johan decides to ruin it with utterly retarded and ahistorical issues for the sake of "game balance". Africa south of Sahara? Literal tribes, not counting Mali, which would steam-rolled over neighbours, declare empire and then just sit on it's land, doing nothing. America? Thanks a bunch, we already have already the most retarded DLC imaginable about it, and if you add it, there are again - tribes and most of them nomadic. Japan? Sengoku is a thing, mate. And with a bit of work it could be twice as good as CK2, instead of being forgotten.
What it lacks is overhaul of all the clusterfuck of different mechanics, each introduced with new DLC, but not interlocking with each other and operating on entirely different principles each.
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>>380758298
>Still totally visible
>Guy that wrote it can't edit it(oh noes)
>Broadcasts that it hurt your feefees
For what fucking purpose?
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>>380779336
>make warcraft mod
>base it on the worst map ever, the one from world of warcraft
>that is just a bunch of potatoes put together to loosely recreate the beautiful drawn maps from before
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>>380779592
My guess is paradox flagged it as abusive to SHUT IT DOWN but didn't realise it left it viewable.
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>>380779661
yea, i can't comprehend why the creator based it off modern WoW
pandaria and northrend exist as full-fledged continents with the same factions from the MMO

but you play what you gotta play to get the feel for what you wanna feel you feel me?
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>>380779487
it needs more depth in terms of relations with the pope and the church in general, your main interaction is that periodically he asks you to let him appoint the priests, you give him a bribe and he fucks off. In reality this issue was a cause of several excommunications and wars, pope should have a bigger role
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>>380779239
>I guess
You've guessed wrong. Naval combat is brain-dead and it's back to the infamous "higher average fleet speed wins". You can shit out fleet consisting of 1 BB and 50 DDs, so you will rape a fleet consiting of 5 BBs with auxiliary units and a CL.
Land combat, due to brain-dead AI, is a fucking joke. The moment you figure out AI doesn't build armor AT ALL, the game is won. You can conquer USSR with starting german Panzer units. And when you figure out the bonuses from having units with armor, you basically rape everyone with infantry division supported by a single batallion of SPA based on heavy-tank chasis, since it provides not only absurdly powerful artillery, but also gives all the benefits of having armor AND armor bonus, making entire division hit 4x harder and getting hit 2x less (since AI can't into armor AND anti-armor)
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>>380779792
Ah that map is a lot better, I have a fwe based around that one saved somewhere.
They're almost perfect.
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>playing memeu4
>playing Goy$
>playing crusader cucks
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what company would take the CK IP after their bankruptcy? SEGA? Like they did with Company of Heroes?
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>>380779881
Oh, so you mean THAT kind of flavour. Then I'm with you on this.
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Paradox are just showing their true colors.
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>>380778540
You get the american prices, not because they arent taxed but because they havent changed your currency to ARS.
Right now you are paying on USD
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>>380780064
Nobody. The moment they kick the bucket, "mainstream" GSG dies. And it takes just too much manpower for some indie studio to pick up, unless you want to devolve all the way back to EU2
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>>380772106
Why is a black man the leader of Vichy France?
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>>380779895
>mfw building infantry divisions supported by Sturmtigers
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>>380777412
This is the main problem in stellaris imo. With every patch they introduce new bugs it's like they don't even test anything. But because every new patch needs to be compatible with every version of the game so every possible combinations of dlc I imagine it must be near impossible to effectively test everything. They brought this mess upon themselves but why must Stellaris suffer. A space strategy/rpg game with Vicky's economy and politics, EU3 diplomacy, HOI esque warfare would be my ideal space game. Aurora is to autistic for me and Distant Worlds has an atrocious UI. Why paradox, why?
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>>380780448
Germany made sure the parts it took over weren't BLACKED
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>>380776568
France had one of the most autistically strict primogeniture succession laws in Europe you mongoloid
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>>380780448
it's a bug
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>>380779239
Different anon, but since we are talking about good concepts that didn't exactly work out in the game (at least not so far):
Variants.
Love this shit. It's extremely simplified in gameplay terms, but it really does change the game significantly. You can technically keep making a specific model of specific tech-tier unit that is much better than the the vanilla model of next tech tier, BUT you can produce them years before the next model. If naval combat was working properly, this would be a massive game-changer, since it takes years to build navy and you can fully benefit of making it stronger than potential enemy ships, as you have better guns/faster engines/more planes on deck. It also works for planes (where EVERY single bonus counts) and tanks, so it's actually pretty good thing, but as game mechanics its bare-bones.
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>>380780513
>A space strategy/rpg game with Vicky's economy and politics, EU3 diplomacy, HOI esque warfare
Shame that Shitlaris is literally none of that
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>>380780513

I'm rather sure they just have one tester that only plays xenophile pacifists.
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>>380780182
What non-mainstream games are there? Slitherine for example has published strategic games that have a grand strategical component, but I don't think any of them have a grand strategical focus the way Paradox games have, and most wargames are strategic/operational/tactical anyway without grand strategical component being even present. Then you of course have games like Democracy that you could argue are grand strategical if you want to use this sort of classification instead of calling them "government sims", but that's a completely different beast.
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>>380751781
Paradox have become incapable of making good games anyway. They abandoned their autist market for mouthbreathing faggots long ago.

Atleast we still have Vicky2 HoI3/DH.
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>>380762510
>you can only start with one clan
>no actual vampire gameplay until you purchase "Way of the Nigh(tm)t" DLC Pack
>each clan is unlocked by purchasing a Clan Pack
>it's episodic and each episode costs 30 USD
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>>380780470
It's even great in multiplayer, since you just add to that a tank-destroyer on heavy tank chasis, so you not only rape enemy infantry, but if there are any tanks, they are hit by the strongest guns possible in that period. And you still keep your bonuses due to over-penetrating, since the only tanks capable of resisting heavy tank destoryers are other heavy tanks VARIANTS with maxed-out armor.
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>>380768840
It's interesting that prices have not also gone down for certain regions if they're re-evaluating prices, isn't it?
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>>380780993
Anon, before CK2, Paradox's GSG was literally a niche genre.
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>>380781025
>each dlc comes with a patch that changes core mechanics
>only half the mechancs come with the patch, have to buy the dlc for the other half
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>>380781010
>Vicky 2
>Game about trade and global market
>Can't embargo
>Can't start embargo wars
>All goods go directly to global market from which you must buy them
>Even if you made them
Vicky 1 had better grasp of core mechanics than Vicky 2 ever dreamed.
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>>380781391
Just think, Vicky 3 will be even worse.
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>>380781391
Sure it could be better, but the pops mechanic is the greatest innovation strategy games have ever seen. It's not perfect but it's the best grand strategy out there by far.
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>>380781263
>essential mechanics are behind a paywall
Nothing new at Paradox Scam Emporium
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>>380781391
Goods get sold in your country and sphere of influence first, excesses get sold on the global market.
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>>380781391
>All goods go directly to global market from which you must buy them
>Even if you made them
Factually incorrect
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>>380781010
>Vicky2
>Good
Pick one. Because my clerks are too busy converting to artisans so they can go bankrupt and turn into farmers so they can migrate to America, because it has +1500% attraction bonus, despite being absolute monarchy with slavery and zero human rights (happens in 1 out of 5 games)
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>>380781550
Are there any fantasy Vicky2 mods?
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DUDE
DEMESNE
LMAO
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>>380751781
That nickle and dime dlc bullshit drives me fucking crazy. I usually don't pirate vidya, but I've been strongly tempted to do so with CK2 stuff past horse lords. The portraits and unit packs should be bundled with the dlc for fuck sakes.
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>>380781505
Still won't make Vicky 2 good
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>>380781707
>playing vanilla

>>380781732
France Minimod, Legacy of Slovenia
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>Buying EUIV when you can just as easily pirate it
Paradox is one of the few people who genuinely deserve to have their games pirated for their scummy business practices, I can't believe everyone is just now realizing it.
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>>380781732
Not a single one fixes econony, but at least there are few that makes POPs behave semi-rationally (no longer doing what this anon >>380781707 described)
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I really like Stellaris and the expansion pack but I regret buying it, even at a discount. Not because of the content, but because I know it was such a small little update and there are like ten more $20 expansions to come that barely add dick each time, instead of packing about five of those DLCs into one $20 package. I'm gonna be pirating the next Stellaris DLC, and probably gonna complete EU4's DLC by pirating the last three or so too.
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>>380781906
>Implyin this hard
Population is fucked up regardless of expansions. Unless by "vanilla" you mean "unmodded"
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>Stellaris catching so much flak
So... should I get Endless Space 2?
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>>380782047
Welcome to Paradox Players Anonymous, mate. I've got the same problem ever since they've switched to DLC model. Old expansions weren't much better, but at least you didn't felt robbed after buying one.
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>>380781947
I ended up pirating CK2 even when i had a pretty good chunk of it already on steam.

It's that kind of jewery that makes you pirate instead while people unironically start asking what went wrong.
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>>380781947
Buying the base game for 10 bucks isn't a bad deal as long as you pirate everything else. Easier to get mods and patches that way, at least.
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>>380782215
Both are subpar. Plus Endless games are about being quick. In a turn-based game. You can't slow down even a bit, or you are going to lose. No consolidation, no growing higher, just constant growing wider and wider, with increasingly more fucked up micro, since there are more and more towns/planets to manage
I still don't understand what people see in Endless games. They are a failure as both 4X and GSG
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The only good policy with Paradox is get the base game on a sale and pirate everything else.
The reason to buy the base game is to have easy access to the mods, which at the end of the day is the life and blood of their games
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>>380781947
I'm pirating their games ever since HoI3. Not for moral reasons or due to saving money, but they've stopped making physical distribution in my country. Literally no way to get a physical copy where I live.
So I've started pirating instead.
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>>380782098
>Unless by "vanilla" you mean "unmodded"
Yeah, that's what vanilla usually refers to in this context
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>>380782220
I've been a buyfag for like 15 years now. The last game I pirated as SimCity 4 around its release when I was like 12, and I've actually bought it three times since then. I like to be that, I like to support the industry. But now having been a Paradoxfag for about a year and a half, it's like they're just begging for their shit to be pirated. The content is just too minimal for the price. The things these packs add should be $5 at most, some of them are literally just changes in script and a couple new jpgs.
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>>380782431
I see I'm considering making a thread about 4X games because I want to get into the genre. But regardless, do you have any good recommendations of 4X galaxy conquest/management?
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>>380782816
Master of Orion 1+2.
Sword of the Stars 1 with all expansions.

Stay far, far, away from master of orion 3 and its newish remake, as well as sword of the stars 2. They are all cancer.
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>>380782690
Anyone who is buying the content (sprite) packs is contributing to the cancer. I can't see how anyone could defend those.
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>>380782816
I do personally like Stellaris a lot. I can just see there being about $200 worth of DLC in the future though, half of which should have just been in the base game.
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>>380781732
DoD, but it's based off PDM which is completely fucked with way too many RGOs and factories.
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>>380782617
Last time I've checked, vanilla was "base game with no expansions/DLCs".
But what do I know, playing Paradox ever since EU2 came out.

>>380782816
Not a single one.

And I mean it.
If you want best sci-fi/space-themed 4X, then Alpha Centauri.
If you want the ultimate 4X game (at least as for now), then it's C2C mod for Civ 4.
But managing space empire in 4X didn't have a single half-decent game ever since Master of Orion 2. Which aged so-so and the interface, which was revolutionary simplified back then (it introduced prodution queques) from modern perspective is a micro-nightmare.
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stop playing grand strategy.
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>>380782482
>which at the end of the day is the life and blood of their games
Not really, only game of theirs mods are mandatory is stellaris, because the UI is so incredibly shitty, but I do agree with buying base game and pirating the rest as a rule.

If I played a lot of singleplayer eu4 and thought their dlcs were good, maybe I'd buy en extra by way of patronage, like here you go you did a good job, but for me they made 1 game that is alright and that is what I paid for. I pretty much only play it mp and luckily they're quite unjewy there and as long as the host has the dlc it works for everyone.
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>>380783446
fuck off varg
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>>380779592
I was wondering this same thing. They accomplished nothing but giving it more validity
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>>380752058
>obsidian
>all the excuses

Wow it's like stockholm syndrome but in an autistic scale.
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>>380782816
Best scifi 4x: smac
Best space 4x: MoO2
Best 4x: MoM
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>>380780765
Yeah I know but that was a description of my dream strategy game. At least diplomacy in stellaris is still a bit more nuanced than most strategy games. And I find that role playing in stellaris is a lot of fun for a few games and after that it gets stale again because the overall gameplay is boring/non existent.
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>>380783446
What the fuck is that square where it says xxxxx? That thing is literraly insane, shouldn't be in a video game
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>>380780765
>EU3 diplomacy
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>>380783342
>Last time I've checked, vanilla was "base game with no expansions/DLCs".
I highly doubt there are more than five people total who play Vic2 without AHD and HOD. Why would you after all?
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>>380783632
unit counter. actual militaries use that
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>>380758298
My fucking sides, this is perfect
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>HOI4 AI is shit
>try out the 'expert AI 2.0 mod'
>AI is still shit but now they use HSPG+HTD in their infantry divisions to counter my infantry+HSPG+HTD divisions
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>>380783632
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Joint_Military_Symbology

Seems to be army group
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>community backlash and bad press
>EU4 and HOI4 go on weekend sale

hmmm...really activates my almonds
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>>380755546

oy vey shut it down goyim
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>>380783983
I'm pretty sure counter refers to cardboard tokens used in hex-and-counter board wargames, and vidya wargames use the term due to their heritage

The symbology is taken from real-world militaries, though
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>>380758298

LOL
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>>380773365
well first it was the peoplel who made bloodlines
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>>380783070
>>380783342
No love for galciv2 or 3 post crusade update? I know it is not the best space 4x but still decent. Also I'm addicted to the ship designer.
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>>380783983
>>380784096
Maybe some people in the military can understand this madness after lifelong drilling, but we will replace these impossible to understand symbols with pictures of helmets and horses. Our CK2 players will buy our revamped and accessible HoI in droves, autistic former players can just fuck off.
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>>380772894
>>380776303

this is glorious
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>>380784521
galciv2 was very shallow. lots of promise but all of the mechanics are skin-deep
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>>380755546
w&b
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>>380784521
Galciv2 is fucking terribad. The only thing going for it is the ship designer, but that has 0 gameplay value. The economic model is pants on head retarded, combat is worse than fucking civ2 plus being this bizarre rock paper scissors...thing.

Stardock is also a shit company responsible for the death of demigod, as well as the abomination that was elemental. So no, no love for literal shit.
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>>380768840
>Respectfully Disagree
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>>380783070
Aren't those a bit lacking in the management aspect, though? I mean, I do like singleplayer combat, but I also want to be able to do more.
>>380783248
Yes, seeing all those DLCs gives me the idea that I'll be spending too much on a single game that works well.
>>380783342
>Alpha Centauri
But... I want to see planets and star systems. :(
>>380783584
Starting to see some love for Master of Orion 2. Is there terraforming or planet management?
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>>380756613
IT doesnt matter anon, people interested is going to see the reviews and realize whats happening.
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>tfw to intelligent for Stellaris

Anyone else know this feel?
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>>380765339
>is anyone's guess).
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>tfw paradox recently went public and this is what happens
Makes me sad desu

It's not like they weren't kinda greedy before, but this takes the cake.
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>>380783690
I meant that basic diplomacy in eu is even deeper than most games offer. In most strategy games you either destroy your opponent or conquer them. In most paradox games you can set up vassals, tributaries, puppet governments, etc. I find these interactions a lot of fun, the ai doing any of the afformentioned effectively is a completely different story unfortunately.
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>>380784543
And what about symbols for amphibious mechanized infantry or whatever? If the games has cavalry and infantry and guns as available unit types then there's no room for mistaking the icons but there's a reason militaries use this sort of system: Because it's actually clear when conveying information that's relevant to them (and by proxy, in sufficiently realistic games).
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>>380783446
Damn i wanna get this game but gary's games hardly ever get discounts on sale and if they do its like 10%
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>>380766354
at the end of the first act you have to side with one of three factions:

rabid edgemasters that want to loot and burn everything, and enslave all the people they find to turn them into more egdemasters

lawful stupid MUH HONOR soldiers that just want to kill everything that's not them with no regard for consequences

the secret third option where you stop being an employee of the big bad and become a member of the generic heroic rebel group, totally nullifying THE ENTIRE SELLING POINT OF THE GAME

and then you become the bitch of which ever faction you joined
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>>380785054
>Is there terraforming or planet management?
yeah
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>>380785054
I'm getting the feeling you'd really like Stellaris if you want to see planets and star systems. Don't buy it full price though, it was worth $12 in the Humble Monthly for me, but it's not worth full price. Then maybe consider just pirating the DLC. It's honestly one of my favorite strategy games in a way, but at the same time I know it could be so much more and if I wanted to be legit, it would take fucking $200 in four years to actually have it reach its potential.
Endless Space 2 seems to be liked by a lot of people too, I just never played it yet. I have Endless Legend though and that company's DLC policy is a lot less shitty, they released a few expansions for it at reasonable prices. The DLC actually adds civilizations in it instead of just some gay number changes you might get from a Paradox one. Still, Stellaris scratches some itch that's hard to explain for me.
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Paradox going under would be great, the only thing I'm sad about is PoE getting a bunch of negative reviews for no reason. I've enjoyed the game from start to finish greatly, who the fuck even rates a game negatively just because the publisher went literally insane? Fucking shitters.
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>>380751781
Fuck them, the games published by Slitherine are superior
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>>380780448
vichy france wanted to be on the right side of history
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>>380784521
I liked it, it had a fun AI and different races but is very easy to break since colony rush is king there.
Oh, and it's easy to mod.
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>>380774947
literal, actual devil worshipers
not just people offering prayers to the devil
the devil hearing and responding to prayers and supporting the devil worshipers
you can pray to Satan to kill a person and they die "from black magic"
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>>380784521
>>380785954
Was talking about GalCiv2.
Btw How's GalCiv3?
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>>380785539
>not choosing the super secret fourth option and found your own faction

Why even play the game if you can't gather all the power for yourself?
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It doesn't have an impact on me as an Amerifat, but I certainly don't mind if Paradox gets a reality check over this and starts releasing bigger expansions if they want to charge $20 for them.
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>>380775395
if you don't use the stupid battleplans you lose a ton of ORG
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why is it the US dollar the base for all prices of games around the globe? besides the US' importance, of course
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>>380786186
I haven't played 3 at all but I hear the crusade expansion made it playable and even fun.
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>>380785894
Underrated post.
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>>380783632
t. johan
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>>380785381
I got it on sale for like 60% off last year during the summer sale. I pirated before I bought though, you can only access MP with a legit copy but you will probably have more than enough time on pirated single-player to to learn and decide if you actually want to buy it. Whats nice is that the AI actually puts up a good challenge, German AI can properly encircle and create breakthroughs while USSR will do a fighting retreat while trying to save as much as possible for later years.
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>>380785562
I'm also considering Distant Worlds: Universe
PC Gamer listed it as a game that "makes the universe feel very very big" source: http://www.pcgamer.com/best-4x-games/
>>380785561
That almost settles it, then. I will very likely try this.
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>>380755546
w&b r&i poster
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>>380774859
>>380761719

It's rather sad that PTO I and PTO II, which I played for SNES over two decades ago were more compelling strategy games than HoI 4.
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>>380773748
Damn that's interesting.
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>>380783774
That's why I was confused you talked about me playing it vanilla
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So paradox raised the price for the russians, so now they only pay 60% of what an american pays?
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>>380782215
Nope both are trash. Honestly the best 4x is Distant worlds Universe. To bad it's old and people are turned off by the UI. Good news is that Distant Worlds 2 is in the making. Hopefully they learned something about looking good from stellaris.
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>>380787221
Paradox raised prices for essentially everyone but the US.
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>>380786991
>that pic
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i am amazed how people still buy paradox games. i stopped buying anything from paradox when they released common sense patch and made the game unplayable unless you buy the dlc, that was nail in the coffin for me, thank god they released that patch quite early in the game so i didnt buy many more other dlcs. i am still insanely upset about myself that i payed 30 dollaridos to a paradox bundle (which included everything upto common sense at that time before the common sense patch release).

especially last 2 games were so underwhelming. both stellaris and hoi4 were so barebones it was clear paradox was going full jew mode with dlcs. release unfinished game and sell dlcs for years to make it barely playable. i really hope everyone just pirates it and paradox goes bankrupt.
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>>380787502
DW's UI was terribad, mate, so no wonder people are thrown away by it.
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>>380786454
just found it on tpb. I'm bretty sure i'll like since hoi3's micro management fulfilled my autism.
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>>380786370
US dollar is the most safe currency thats why. it ll change when USA loses its world power status in future.
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>>380787637
There is one problem:
Due to applying AAA logic to their marketing and making their games into casual trash, they can still shit up games that normies buy. In fact, that now makes lion share of their revenue. Turns out the normies buying their garbage bin games make them more money than the dedicated autistic fanbase they've build for first 15 years
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>>380787874
>Turns out the normies buying their garbage bin games

Normies are into GS?
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>>380786356
You can completely ignore your battleplan and just micro everything yourself, you won't lose the bonus as long as you have something painted on the map, m8.
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>>380783446
>>380786454
Game?
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>>380769727
>United Kingdom
Upping the price then claiming theres a X% discount is illegal in the UK. To claim it used to be the pre-sale price requires it to have been that price for at least 28 days. Not one developer that's done this has been punished for it yet
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>>380787948
No
But normies are into nu-Paradox, thus everything they churm up since EU4 premiered and retroactively CK2.
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>>380787874
normies dont but their game. steam comment section is going nuts atm its amazing really. people are suggesting pirating the game in pretty much everywhere.
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>>380787948

Normies play Stellaris
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>>380788046
Don't you know, anon?
You are not breaking law, as long as it's in internet! It's like you've spend past 20 years under the ice and just woke up.
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>>380788046
>To claim it used to be the pre-sale price requires it to have been that price for at least 28 days
they're safe then
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>>380787975
War in the East
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>>380785562
The thing with stellaris for me is that I like the game until I happen upon a bug/glitch/something retarded and then I stop playing until a next update. And don't like the Utopia DLC which focussed partly on the late game. While they should be fixing/expanding mechanics that keep the mid game from being an empty void they added megastructures. In this proces they completely destroyed the lore/mystery arround fallen empires by making players able to build ring worlds of their own about 150 years in the game. And you have the one tech to give all the superstructures which is retarded as well because building a espionage space station is apparently very similar to building a dyson sphere.

The combat is still beyond beyond retarded. They will fix this eventually I hope but this is the main thing that keeps me from playing the game now.

And the tall vs wide meme is ridicoulus. Tall should always be stronger in the long run. But going tall is largely limited by the size of your planets. In order to truly be able to go tall you should be able to improve the space you have almost infinetely (or at least roughly the lenght of an average game). In vicky 2 you can go tall because you can improve the economy of your states the entire game. Is this really so hard to implement?

I really like the rpg elements in stellaris but the mechanics and the ai are in some cases so bad that they ruin any fun for me.
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>>380768840
>Upping the prices of years old games with 60000 packs of dlc

Fuck Paradox, I don't know about other games but CKII's dlc is a joke. Hurr heres your muslim themed expansion dont forget to buy the muslim portrait and music packs too even though they should be part of the fucking expansion. I hope they go bankrupt
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>>380788209
Jesus Christ... 70 euro... What's with this game? Does it has tits that produce beer or something?
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>>380776063
Don't forget
>every minor country gets an extra research slot and a nuclear bomb focus
>Botswana with nukes in 1945
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So, did they raise the prize before the sale to lower it during the sale and pretend that they're giving a discount while they actually are not? This scummy tactics are illegal in a lot of countries.
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>>380777028
kill yourself contrarian cuck
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Anyone who didn't realize Paradox were jews is literally more retarded than a retard.
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>>380788595
>So, did they raise the prize before the sale to lower it during the sale and pretend that they're giving a discount while they actually are not?
No they raised the price because of purchasing power apparently.
Russians are now complaining that they are paying almost half as much as americans are paying.

>Illegal in a lot of countries
In the UK it's like 28 days before you can put things on a sale after raising prices, and they raised the prices over a month ago I think.
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>>380788362
>Tall should always be stronger in the long run.

No, Tallfags need to be penalized severely for their boring and horrible playstyle.
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>>380788856
Who the fuck raises the price of a game thats years old though. It makes no sense. Fuck digital distribution
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>CK2 collection is 400 Canadian Tire bucks
Jesus, I can get a 1070 for this price.
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>>380788974
Yeah, it's retarded, but I guess there's nothing you can do except calling them out and not supporting future releases.
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>>380788870
Sorry I meant wide should be stronger in the long run. But look at vicky 2. Smaller nations can compete if they have the pops and thus the industrial capacity shouldn't this be the case in Stellaris too?
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>>380788362
>In this proces they completely destroyed the lore/mystery arround fallen empires by making players able to build ring worlds of their own about 150 years in the game
Every other stellaris player asked for it for like a year, so they caved in I guess.

Now they complain that it costs to much and they can't built 10 dyson spheres immediately to solve all their energy needs immediately.

I would've been fine without them.
Even if you take into account their effectiveness, they have a thing over other energy sources since they don't require pops, and thus don't increase tech cost.

For me adding the dyson sphere is a bit like adding a tank to the 100 year war.
Sure it's all pre/post modern, but you don't have to have every future or every past era represented.
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>>380788856
>No they raised the price because of purchasing power apparently.
>Russians are now complaining that they are paying almost half as much as americans are paying.
It's fucking bullshit because the EU is paying roughly 20-25% more than what americans do.
Paradox can go fuck themselves.
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>>380788974
>weimar germany
>then the price for bread is raised because of inflation
>what the fuck, fucking jews
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>>380772909
What will it take for you fuckheads to stop posting about that place? WE DON'T FUCKING CARE.
GO BACK.
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>>380788441
It's actually not too uncommon for hardcore vidya wargames to be sold at above AAA-retail prices ("grognard tax"), it's the same deal in board wargaming world if you've ever come across Warhammer model prices for example.
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>>380757931
>Paradox games are probably my favorite in the entire industry but I have never spent one single dime on them.
>I enjoy this product, but won't even get it on sale
You are the cancer killing video games.
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>>380789727
jew enabler
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>>380789642
>wargaming world
>Warhammer
It's like you are pants-on-head retarded and play the D&D of wargames - an overpriced piece of shit that is just plain awful
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>>380789642
Yes, niche games usually have to be more expesive to be profitable. That's why flying simulators sell planes seperately and you can actually waste thousands of dollars on such a game.

The problem though is, that we are not talking about niche games here, but rather popular games, that have no reason to be this expensive.
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>want to stop buying their shit
>the only good alternatives are Civ and Total War, both of which are extremely casualised
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>>380789727
enjoy that .01 cents per post, shill
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>>380789461
>Paradox rises prices to their original. premiere value
>"It's inflation, mate!"
If it would be anti-inflation measurement, the prices would rise by about 2-2.5%
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>>380789281
Yeah and now everyone is whining for titans which will make fallen empires the same as regular empires but with higher tech.
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>>380789936
>Civ
>Casualised
Why aren't you playing C2C for Civ 4 yet?
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>>380751781
Just buy the base game and pretend that the DLCs dont exist, meaning just pirate everything else. This way you:
>get access to some parts the forum which can be useful
>be able to get mods easily
>get support for your game
>it will automatically get updated meaning you no longer have to search for patches and shit.
>multiplayer will work
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>>380789936
just play master of magic with the insecticide patch nerd, lol all the girls are already laughing at you because you're not, you better get to it and save yourself
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>>380751781
IT ALL WENT TO SHIT WHEN THAT CHINESE COMPANY BOUGHT THEIR STOCK.
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Is anyone interested to continue this discussion in a new thread?
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>>380762510
I was so happy to hear that VtM was under custodianship of Paradox when it was first announced - years? - ago. I thought it was saved.

But the way Paradox has been going. I just don't know. Imagine the DLC shitting. And on top there were those two games they released, literal SJW shittery everywhere. And they indicated they want to take VtM there. Please save us.
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