WarCraft 3 and Diablo II are being remastered. http://dia

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>>380721245
This fucking industry is creatively bankrupt.

>>380721340
This

>yet another remake
when will this company finally die? I guess when morons stop buying their shit, so never

>>380721245
Looks like PoE's announcement actually did spook them
can't wait to pirate it, oh who am I kidding
forced online singleplayer just like D3

Ha

Remasters need to fuck off. Literally just a cashgrab.

>>380721398
Is the SC remaster going to be forced online? I'd say that's probably the best example to go by.

>>380721245
Why?! Both genres are dead. Who will play it?!

>>380721245

Trying to out-hollywood Hollywood, eh?

>>380721245
Why do you remaster Diablo II when there already a full remake called Diablo III?

>>380721643
Because d3 is trash

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FUCKING NIGGERS WONT START WITH WARCRAFT 1 AND DIABLO 1

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEERERREEEEEERRRRREEEEEERRRDEEERREEREEEEERREEEE

>>380721643
(you)

>>380721457

Who knows. The updated version without the shiny graphics is free at least

>>380721585
I started playing D2 again after the ladder reset, and I was playing WC3 a few months ago but I stopped because it got real clunky after alt-tabing.

I'll play both of these just because they'll operate smoother, especially D2. I won't have to run it in a windowed mode anymore. Anything other than like 800x600 or whatever in windowed mode, and it just has the weirdest slowdown shit.

>First they wanted to be an ART.
>Then they put cinematic over gameplay.
>Now they're doing remaster after remaster after remaster.

SASUGA, VIDYA! WE WUZ HOLLYWOOD STARZ AND SHIT.

>>380721692

I'd rather WC2 and Blackthorne desu

>>380721754
Call blizz, we have A taker.

>>380721692
They recently remade d1 in d3. It was surprisingly cool probably what is spurring them on to make remakes.

>>380721869

There was also the Brood War campaign in SC2

>>380721869

I played it, that was no remake. That was more like playing a custom game made with D3 assets themed towards D1.

The only cool part about it was they used the Diablo 1 version of Big D instead of Prime Evil

i'm fine with wc3 remastered if all the custom maps still work and it revives custom games in wc3 battle.net. i played that game for years, it taught me how to type.

>>380722025
It was literally remade not a remake regardless it was popular and i liked it more than the base game which is ass.

>WC 3 remaster

Great, another game full of bots

Good. New-Blizzard games suck anyway, so I'd rather they polish old glory

>>380722071

But it was the base game you mongoloid. It was basically just a 16 floor rift.

There was no going back to Identify things, no going back for quests, how the fuck was it any different than the base game? You're just being a contrarian against D3 to to fit in.

Nice. WC3 is still alive and kicking but I hope there will be a Renessaince of RTS

As long as they ban the bots in wc3 ill be happy

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>>380721245
Wake me up when Warcraft IV is here...

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>>380721340
I'll take a wc3 remaster over the inevitable abortion wc4 would be.

>>380722218
Jesus fucking christ kill yourself they REMADE it in d3 that was the point you mong.
Do you know the difference between remade, made, make and remaje you esl cuck?

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>>380721245
post yfw
>Diablo 2 will just get the Diablo3 visuals and gameplay like how the Diablo1 event had
>Warcraft 3 will get some HotS-like overhaul where they remove all the "tedious" mechanics of the game

>>380722367
It's never coming. Just let it go.

>>380722218
It wasnt a fucking remake you autistic retard.

>>380722575
Why would you want a d3 version of d2? Are you fucking gay?

I don't trust neo-blizz to be able to capture the atmospherics and nuance of diablo 2.

They can handle Warcraft 3 though.

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>>380722662
>missing the point of the post this much

>>380722575
Nah itll be hd sprites like what they are doing with starcraft. Which is nice.

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>>380722575

>>380721340

>Wanting modern Blizzard to make new games
>After Diablo 3

Nein. I'm fine with them prettying up the pixels in Diablo 2, and then they can promptly fuck off.

>>380722543
>>380722630


I'm not saying it wasn't a remade version. I'm saying it's retarded to enjoy the re-whatever the fuck it was and say you don't enjoy the base game. They're the fucking same.

Reading comprehension you stupid niggers.

>>380722735
Well your gay ass anime baby shit made it seem like you liked the idea. I'm sorry you fap to traps n shit.

>>380721340
Warcraft 4 would be a steaming turd gameplay-wise, but everyone would buy it because they're normie retards. What you would end up with is the Warcraft RTS series being eternally dumped on and never having any hope of being good again because the retards would keep throwing money regardless of quality. Be happy they are creatively bankrupt, because the alternative is far worse with the way games are made these days.

>>380722906
Exactly this blizzard cannot make games anymore. Their talent left and got replaced by tumblr artists. If they can get some interns to make sprites HD im happy.

Even better no nigger tyreal.

The final proof blizz cant make games anymore is they are now hosting other companies games.
They just started down the path of being the next steam.

>>380722367
Are you sure you really want a Warcraft IIII from current Blizzard?

I hate to say it but coming back to d2 with a atleast somewhat revitalized playerbase could be nice, considering what a steeming pile of shit d3 is

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>>380722968
>not understanding vein marks in comics
still, do you think there is a single man in existence who liked D3's version of the original Diablo?

>>380723207
>IIII

>>380721245
Diablo 2 could use more changes than a hd remake. Like:
-increased and shared stash. Fuck muling.
-many skills need buffs, mostly physical damage skills.
-many glitches need fixing
-more end game content than ubers. Like PoE maps.
-buff other mercs. Act 1 mercs should have slow missles, and stronger abilities. Act 3 mercs should have enchant and higher damage. Act 5 mercs should have warcry buffs.
-personalized loot drop to make coop play more desirable.

>>380721245
WC3 remaster means it may also have similar creation tools and see a rebirth of user generated maps and game modes. We could end up seeing the next Dota come out of it.

Unless they charge people for mod creation or some shit I wouldn't put it past anyone these days

>>380723343
It ceases to be a remake if you do this autist.

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>>380721245
>not warcraft 1 and 2
Fucking hell

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>>380721245
we already knew d2 was because it was in the job posting from like a year or two ago alongside the starcraft remaster
the wc3 remaster is new, though

>>380723395
They already released a war2 remastered once before

>>380721795

This, I've been clamoring for an updated WC2 for ages.

>>380723451
battle.net edition does not count

>>380723395
WC1&2 will never be remade because it goes against Blizzard's stance that the orcs dindu nuffin

>>380723496
Does

>>380723538
does not

>>380723395
this is probably the closest you'll get for 1. blizzard has already said they have no plans to touch it because they don't think it's a fun game.
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-humans.157714/
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-orcs.157703/

>>380723506
I skipped all of the WoW story, but didnt they establish that everything bad orcs did was because of demons?

>>380723343
>-personalized loot drop to make coop play more desirable.
no, stealing is fun

>>380721340
Good. Industry crash when?

>>380723343
if they take the same tack they did with starcraft 1, they'll do a lot of these things with patches when they make the game freeware. and yeah, i agree 100%.
if you're interested, plugy adds the first thing to single player. resurgence does the second, and various other mods do some of the others.

>>380723694
>resurgence does the second
and is online multiplayer*

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>>380723616
thanks, downloaded

>>380723259
Drei gläse.

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>>380723343
I was with you until
>personalized loot drop to make coop play more desirable.
and now you can just go kys yourself

>>380723343
The game should really have an actual hard mode and not the shit d3 had where it just makes enemies huge bullet sponges that need 10 times more hits to be taken down but offer the same little threat.

till like nightmare act4 the game is just braindead easy and don't even require your attention

>>380723393
you could literally just patch the original d2 to this state before you release the d2 remake anyway

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>>380723112
I think even tumblr artists could write a better story than the ending of Starcraft 2. It's hard to event think of it as a trainwreck. More like a series of multiple trains that deliberately rammed into each other at high speeds with explosive tipped fronts.

It's truly one of those fuckups where I can't really comprehend how a sequel to a game like Starcraft could go awry so badly.

>>380723578
Does

>>380722575
>overhaul
implying a remaster isnt just releasing the same game a second time with a higher pricetag.

If theyd actually update the graphics id be excited about that.

but they wont, they wont add anything new, maybe theyll add some texture quality or some depth of field.

Dont expect anything beyond that.

>>380723805
If you want gameplay changing stuff in d2 just mod it.

Neither WC3 nor D2 need a remaster. Nor SC for that matter.

>>380723812
I never played beyond WoL in SC2. What happened to Samir Duran and all that stuff from the bonus mission in Brood war.

>>380723949
This is objectively wrong because they all needed it at the time. Especially war3 which was noted by everyone including blizzard as having shit graphics.

>>380723862
>>380723578

>>380722535
so you want them to ruin a great game instead of them producing a failure?

>>380721340
*Blizzard is bankrupt. All of their talent left for greener pastures.

>>380723862
>>380723578
>>380723538
>>380723496
Just suck each other off and make up.

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>>380724027
>wc3
>shit graphics
i'm calling the cops on you account of criminally garbage opinions. you need to be locked behind bars for life

>>380724009
Just pretend the sequel never happened and the potential for one that capitalizes on the intriguing possibilities of that mission and other aspects of Brood War may one day come out, because the reality of the matter is too painful to know.

>>380723678
Not likely any time soon. Movies have been bankrupt creatively for years.

I wonder if the wc3 remake will be by the team who is remaking it in sc2. Thats amazing. If so it might mean an extended campaign and more races.

>>380721245
All you faggots who want remasters and remakes to happen need to kill yourselves.

Finally a reason to upgrade my PC.

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>>380724196
Anon...

>>380724159
>simpson poster
>underage retard
>thinks war3 had good graphics
Checks out. Like I said blizzard even admitted they were shit. They were far below the standard at the time and were a cost cutting ploy.

>>380724196
I always wondered if they'd give guys like that a job. Like the dude who's been re-creating D2 in SC2 as well.

>>380724278
they're never getting a job, it's cheaper to just abuse them

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>lets remake games that were made by people who dont work here anymore because we suck

fucking embarrassing

>>380724278
Well according to thise guys they were given official permission to carry on their work there was also discussion about it being hosted on bnet.
It might actually be them.

>>380724159
Have you played war3 recently? It does look a little shit.

>>380724360
>lets rerelease games that autists and retards will buy in drove for easy money
FTFY

>>380724367
That anons a retard. They were shit at the time. The original build of wc3 had nicer graphics than the finished product which is a blurry ugly pile of shit with primitive models.

>>380724201
Remakes need to happen when the old games are lacking or broken to some degree. D2 and Warcraft 3 work perfectly on modern PC and neither have any major faults to rectify in a remaster.

>>380724009
samir duran was an evil xelnaga working for the bigger bad xelnaga and the hybrids were the big bad's plot to remake life in his image

>>380721245
>glad you could make it Uther remastered

Nice

>>380724510
Lol no. They need better graphics.

>>380724510
>Remakes need to happen when the old games are lacking or broken to some degree.
No they don't. Because it justifies this sort of behaviour.

>>380724529
>they turned the bonus mission into the entire plot of 2
Hahahahahahaha

>>380721398
what PoE announcement?

>>380721245
I'm hyped for the D2 remake because that game lacks suppert for higher resolutions which kinda sucks. I'm not that excited for the WC3 remaster. Don't get me wrong, WC3 is one of my favorite games of all time. But I don't see the need for a remaster. The game already supports high resolutions, it looks great actually. The cinematics are still gorgeous and the multiplayer have lots of players, I find games through matchmaking in a couple of seconds.

>>380721245
nu blizzard will fucking mess it up

they still play well (even better than their recent games), they don't need a remaster

>>380721340
oh fuck off you whining faggot, if any games get remastered it should be the old blizzard games

>>380724689
6 new acts - 4 of which are rehashes - and the removal of difficulty levels in favour of a progression through a single playthrough.

>>380724730
Doesn't matter. People want a remaster for W3 and D2.

>>380724601
>They need better graphics
Nobody with two halves of a brain cares about graphics as long as they get the job done. Accepting a $60 release just for updated graphics is just you being a cuck.

>>380724773
interdasting

>>380724878
Shut the fuck up you nostalgia cuck. I want better graphics.

>>380724831
No, they want pretty graphics because playing the game in its original form is too much effort.

>>380721245
Can't wait for them to back fill the new canon into the old games.

How much if a retard do you have to be to think theyll charge 60 bucks for the remakes.

>>380724937
Who gives a shit why, they want it. SC remaster was free.

>>380725124
No, the original is free. SC Remastered is not out yet.

>>380724929
Choke on corporate cock, underage.

>nu blizzard
>kills your custom map scene
>retcons stories
what else have they done?

>>380725234
Im over thirty you dumb little shit.

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>>380724164
I guess they turned him into a evil cartoon character too? I´ll stick with the mystery of what he was and all that, from Brood war. No reason to play Starcraft 2.

>>380725463
They turned him into a chaos daemon.

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>>380725463
wew

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>>380721245
>When you're so creatively bankrupt that you remake the same games over and over instead of making a new one

>>380723343
>many glitches need fixing
I doubt they will ever actually do that. Bash hasn't given damage since the game came out, the LCS has always been broken, almost every attack in the game still has "fake" attacks, the werewolf attacks have always been horribly broken, blade sentinel/fury haven't properly worked with claw mastery since they gave it weapon damage, dodge/evade/avoid still cause fake attacks and so on. Every skill that isn't just a stat increase is probably broken in some way or another and they've barely ever fixed any of these issues, except in extreme cases like where whirlwind was always doing 12.5 attacks per second or when all mastery skills were giving 100% critical strike or when level 19 thorns made you immune to physical damage for no apparent reason.

Blizzard is more successful than ever as a business, but it's dead as a creative entity, anything new is going to be a Pixar-lite exercise in how to make as much money as possible, focus group tested down to the finest detail.

>>380726861
Ironic their latest game is a pixar dreamworks movie clone. They got invaded by aspiring tumblr "artists" became se that was where the soy lattes were for them.

>>380726707
How long until Skyrim runs on a calulator?

>>380721245
>open the job advertisement
>Blizzard Entertainment is seeking an experienced engine engineer to work on a robust first-person engine for an unannounced project.
Doesn't sound like warcraft or diablo tbqhwymdf (to be quite honest with you my dear friends).

>>380725294
I hope so, 30 months is only 2 and a half years old and this is an 18+ site.

>>380727586
Just end it already you fuckwit

>>380727309
Its just overshit. They need someone to answer angry tumblr emails.

I fucking love Diablo 2 but I don't fucking trust modern Blizzard with a remaster.

>>380721340
the industry is more creative now than it has ever been, but if you only look at the big devs you would get the opposite impression

>>380727805
Just check out their sc remaster page to get an idea of what they are going to do.

>>380727805
Modern Blizzard is still patching the game, and reasonably so. A remaster would actually be pretty great for Diablo 2 if they fix the mountains of horrible bugs that they have known about for 17 years and counting.

Its a /v/ hates everyone episode.

Blizzard could give you remakes of all the legacy games and keep updating them like they do since 20 years now,go back to making rts and revive the genre for good,assblast valve in the e-sports scene,release new IPs and then still you autistic manchild cunts would bitch about everything being mediocre and not as clunky and "old" as you wanted them to be and that the critics are sellouts and "ahmahgawd how can they keep getting away with it"

Just buy a fucking switch already and play the PEGI 9 games you have always loved no matter what.

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>>380728486
>Its a /v/ hates everyone episode.

Chris it's time to stop posting.

>>380721245

I recently went back to Diablo 2 and found I couldn't handle that movement anymore. The way you snap to like 10 different angles. Wasn't an issue when I was younger but holy hell did it drive me up the walls this time around. Didn't make it past Act 2.

Might try it again some time, I really want to get back into it.

>>380721245
>two extremely popular games of their time, one being one the most influential games in history
>gets a remaster
wow who could have seen that one coming

>>380721245

>where the developers are remaking all the graphic assets to support 4K Ultra HD video cards

Oh boy, 4K video cards

>>380728947
Yeah but it's a waste of time, effort and money. Nobody wants a remaster of these games. They stand well enough on their own.

Only people who pine for this shit are kids who never played these games in their heyday.

>>380729225
>Nobody wants a remaster of these games.
You can't possibly be this stupid anon.

>>380721245
As expected, the Classic games team is soon done with Starcraft.

>>380729225
I just want to go back

>>380721457
Probably not since it's just a reskin of the old game that isn't always online. You can play old x new and swap between them with a press of button.

Be honest with me, anons. I don't want win 10. What are the chances I'll be able to play wc3 remastered on win 8?

>>380721585
people will play it on tablets and phones

>>380729225
Why do you under 25 shits pretend to be people who played them at the time. This brand of hipster nostalgia fagging is cancer.

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I don't want WC3 remaster. It's a perfect game. It's like remastering Mona Lisa

>>380729532

Played Diablo2 and the graphics are still fine. In fact the pixelated 2D sprites give the game more personality that its copycats like grimdawn and PoE.

>>380729225
>Only people who pine for this shit are kids who never played these games in their heyday.
That's fucking wrong though. The people who pine for D2 were the people that played it, people who are sick of D3, and the POE crowd. They'd argue that you're stupid for not wanting an updated D2.

>>380721692
Didn't they say in recent Blizzcon that they did start WC1 but it was way more effort and not as fun as they expected? D1 got the meme shit on D3 on the anniversary (which was shit). Shame that WC2 is getting skipped though.

>>380729678
Shut up no one cares.

>>380723812
>I think even tumblr artists could write a better story than the ending of Starcraft 2.
>even tumblr artists could write a better story
You don't know what you just fucking said.

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As much as I love D2, I honestly cant go back after realizing how limited your stash is. D3 made me into a compulsive hoarder

>>380727882
PFFFFFFFFFT

>>380729880
D3 is a spreadsheet stop playing it.

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Ech!

>>380729495
If Starcraft Remastered is anything to go by it will just be highres skin and some online improvements and nothing else.

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>warcraft 3 remaster
Day 1 purchase.
Haters gonna hate.
I still have it installed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjOYxGBCi6M

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Blech!

>>380729973

No it's not? Its even more casualized because you just need to collect sets and ignore everything else. Not to mention that they simplified resources now. D2 on the other hand, which is much more complex with its stat system and skill trees is alot more demanding with its endgame.

>>380730247
BM got fucking stacked

>>380730247

Unnecessary. I'll just go back to using world editor to make my anime battle areana like everyone else anyway

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Blahm!

>Makes a new game

"SHIT GAME LOL"

>remasters old game

"NO CREATIVITY!"

>>380730303
Why would you fucking reply to me with such a stupid fucking post. Kys.

>>380723678
>crash
stop it with the crash, it's not gonna happen.
games might be shit but people still buy them
and the industry is in no danger

>>380730087
sc remastered looks ugly as fuck and looks nothing like sc low res pixel graphics

clearly a lack of proper talent and experienced art lead at blizzard

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>>380723259

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>>380725463
What, who are you?

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>remaster d2
>one week in shitters here will be complaining that the only endgame content is endless baal runs
it was great for its time but nostalgia won't be enough to make it feel the same

Good job Blizzard, a bunch of slavs already did it for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vld6fZfuAsQ

>>380731183
I could write a long post explaining why end game content didnt matter for a game like d2. Ill just call you dumb instead. You're dumb.

>>380731339

Not him but it's true though? D2 was a great single player game. But the end game is pretty much grinding Baal for loot drops due because of the technical limitations of the time. Would be awesome if they could include the day/night cycle and random events from D3 into D2.

>>380731613
Deep breath. End game content was somethin originally only needed for mmos to keep subs. As far as being in rpgs that was side quests for example in jrpgs optional bosses and treasure hunts.
In a game like D2 the word is "replayability" you could make countless builds for fun and then grind away for rune drops and trade with people. The players made their own end content.
Look what the dumb fucks did to d3 in comparison. No replayability and no trading.

>>380730303
>complex stat system
it was pretty much just min str/dex for your gear and dump vit.

not complex at all.

Just give me vanilla WoW you fucks. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>380721245
Will buy WC3 IF and only if custom maps return and Blizzard doesn't find some way to ruin it.

>>380731339
not the guy you are replying to but, could you summarise why endgame content didnt matter?

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>>380724768
I WANT WORLD OF WARCRAFT VANILLA REMASTERED, I WILL PAY GOOD MONEY, PLEASE BLIZZARD

>>380721245

Remember when the artstyle was a little exaggerated, but still grounded? I'd also say remember when orcs were genocidal evil bastards, but that's going back to WCII.

>>380731613
>day/night cycle
the what?

>>380730025
Nice, I was missing the WC3 titty elves.

>>380732803

D3 has a strange system where some areas would be day sometimes it would be night. Probably something to do with your system's clock.

>>380732529
Paid custom games babyyyyyyy
Cosmetic hats for units, making every battle a horrible mess
Continuous clicking on a unit now yields hip modern memes
Reworked ladder lets you level up for money

>>380721245
lame

>>380723343
What's wrong with you?

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>>380732980
>ywn be 13 and fapping to elves campaign screen again

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>>380733339
I did that too.

I hope World Editor remains the same. I probably spent way more time making my own shitty campaign stories than WC3 itself.

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MFW the characters from WC3 will look like shit because wow graphics.

also, his frozen thrones in it? and the custom map from updates?

it would be interesting to see diablo 2 fully remastered instead of just having all the horribly underdetailed sprites in super high resolution, but they probably won't do that

>>380721340
nope, indie devs still have it

>>380733143
i think its just random lighting effects in rifts, theres no day night cycle

Hmm, I wonder if they'll update Akama and his draenei now that they no longer look as they did.

>>380721340

In the USA, the old AAAs are stagnant or falling. They are being replaced slowly, and in the meantime other devs from Europe especially are rising.

>>380732096
So what your saying is you couldn't make it past torment 6 and got butthurt so now it sucks. Got it kiddo

I remember there was a guy making a Warcraft 3 remake on his own. Name is Armies of Azeroth or something like this, progress was going slow but good in a longrun.

>>380733918

Nevermind. It's only in Act 2. I was playing on my Wizard earlier and the desert areas were night time. Testing now on my DH and its raining.

>>380734253
>thinks d3 is hard
Another one of you things. Ive done it in all the difficulties its a very easy game. Literally saying i played it in torment 6 means nothing you sped fuck. Its the dumbest most casual game they ever made.

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>>380730895
>IIII
>IX

Is it one of those "daring" and "thought provoking" modern art pieces?

>>380734253
Put it this way anon I wouldn't boast about getting past a difficulty in a game like D3 to anyone. Its not an accomplishment you retard.

>>380734515
the difficulty literally just keeps scaling up, pushing as high as you can go is part of the end game.

not getting past t6 means you barely scratched the endgame

>>380734849
What's wrong with IX?

>>380734907
You're actually an idiot aren't you oh my..

>>380735026
im not the guy you were replying to, but explain whats incorrect about my post?

>>380734907
>understands scaling doesn't understand everything scales
It means there is no actual difficulty in Diablo 3 every difficulty is the same after you gear for it. Which means the game is insanely easy to go up in difficulty. Going from T6 and up is not an accomplishment.

>>380721389
Why are you saying this like they do a lot of remakes?

>>380735319
You're just a fucking dumb autist that thinks d3 is a good game.
Like wtf are you even fucking saying the game asks everyone to complete it in t6+ for seasonals. You can literally start the game at torment level its easy.
If you said something like complete all the set dungeon objectives thats challenging.

>>380735023
nothing, but if you're using IIII instead of IV logic would dictate to use VIIII instead of IX

>>380721245
Literally fake news.

>DotA 3 finally happening with good hero models instead of the trash valve made
I need this

>>380735319
>im not the guy you are replying to
>my post
Does your minder know you are on the internet?

>>380735882
Passing on the opportunity to own DotA was the biggest fuckup Blizzard have ever made. I'm still staggered they let that opportunity slip through their fingers.

>>380736038
Pride
Blizzard has always had a problem with prideful retards running the show never admitting anyone is better then them

It's the reason why there are no legacy severs, current dev team doesnt want to admit they fucked up (a lot of the old devs left somewhere around Cata)

>>380736038
>>380736197

They didn't want to becuase DotA was just a mod. Unlike Valve who oned up to CS, Bliz scoffed at the idea of Mobas until they themselves had to copy it,

>>380736038
>>380736197
They got bought out by a bunch of greedy jews. There's nobody working for blizzard with any creativity at all. All they know how to do is milk what they have and rip off other people's ideas.

>>380736320
Its because they never gave a shit about user generated content like other companies. Thats why there is no true moding scene with their games.
Blizzard doesnt give a fuck about its online community in general thats why they have the worst most abusive communities.

WC3 Doesnt need a remake.
It just needs an actual widescreen patch.
I hate having to play on 4:3 or stretched 16:9
The game is fine as it is.

>>380736486
Why did they create the wonderful map editors that warcraft 2, starcraft, warcraft 3 and starcraft 2 have had, then?

>>380736486
>Thats why there is no true moding scene with their games.
oh no, its retarded

>>380736564
Its just the tool they used so they made it available. You realise modding is actually altering game files not map editors right?

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>>380736486

>>380736320
also Team fortress, Ricochet and Day of Defeat

they also snagged protal while it was in early development

>>380736698
Dumb underage poster. Using map editors isnt modding. None of the mods for any of their games reached CS, Quake or any other fps, rpg or rts popularity

>>380736320
DotA isnt a mod its a custom map.

>>380736714
>Its just the tool they used so they made it available
Proof?

>You realise modding is actually altering game files not map editors right?
Not sure what you mean. It has to be unintended by the developer? There needs to be a lack of user-friendly tools? Would you say Team Fortress Classic is not a mod?

>>380736698
Can you point me to the blizzard mod scene son. The nexus page? Nope? Oh no its retarded...

>>380737198
You don't actually know what moding is.

>>380737210

You mean Hiveworkshop?

>>380736698
Why are you quoting a meme instead of posting a meme?

Shit like that pisses me off, at this point you're just making a reference. You're being fucking Family Guy.

>>380737310
Then describe what it is, be precise.

Why is TFC a mod and DotA All Stars isn't?

I'll wait.

>>380737210
>>380737329

Unlike some developers Blizzard used to develop editors for their games. That's right, they used to develop software that let you make custom scenarios, maps, hell even entire games.

If that's not being pro "user created content" I don't know what is.

>>380737398
Fuck me its time to stop.

This would kill Diablo 3. Fake and gay.

>>380737494
He's right though. Just because DotA was created using tools Blizzard developed doesn't make it any less of a mod than Counterstrike.

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>blizzard remastering old franchises

just let me have legacy servers

>>380737546
but d3 is already dead? their dev team was allocated to wow.

>>380737607
>people of this intelligence exist.
The difference is one is purely a map editor made thing using Blizzards assets.
The other requires 3rd party tools, modeling, skin creation, sound creation etc

>>380737607
>A mod (short for "modification") is an alteration where someone, usually a player, takes the code of a video game and changes it. Mods may range from small changes and simple tweaks to completely new games made within a video game.[1]

You need to stop.

>>380737782
Which one was teh bst

>>380737891
Fuck off you idiot

>>380737782
Warcraft 3 maps often required external tools, and had custom models and textures. Dunno about sounds, though.

In short: you are a retard.

Glad you could bake it, Uther.

>>380737782
>The difference is one is purely a map editor made thing using Blizzards assets
Did you ever play DotA? There were assets ripped from a lot of games. It used the Unreal Tournament announcer for starters. A lot of code in it in far beyond what you can do in the map editor.

>>380737983
In short you are lying and a retard. Making a custom map with the editir is not moding the game no matter how much you try to spin it kid.

>>380737010
Go look at twitch.
If you want to argue popularity it's pretty futile to argue against dota and what came out of it.

>>380737864
>using a definition from Nicole Tanner (http://pixelkin.org/2015/08/04/video-games-101-what-are-mods-and-should-my-kids-be-downloading-them/)
>just a paragraph later she shows a picture of a "mod" which consists of changing the dragons from skyrim with ponies USING THE CREATION KIT FROM BETHESDA

kek

>>380738091
If it was modding the game you would have to alter the war3 install and blizzard wouldn't allow it. Adding sounds (that you didnt make just ripped off another fame) isnt modding. It just loads with the map. Nothin about the game code is altered.

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>>380737782
>The difference is one is purely a map editor made thing using Blizzards assets.
>The other requires 3rd party tools, modeling, skin creation, sound creation etc
Except 3rd party tools were used, modeling, skin creation, and sound creation.
Have you ever heard of wc3campaigns.net? Hiveworkshop?
Have you ever played wc3 custom games?

>>380738216
Thats not a mod nice fucking appeal to authority.
>using bethesda too

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>>380738136
I'm sorry you didn't know.

Not that it matters, though, because stating models are a requirement for a mod to be a mod is stupid.

When will they ever update Cataclism worldstate? I want to travel the healed Azeroth

>>380738427
That's a mod according to the person who gave this definition: >>380737864
In other words, that person contradicts herself.

If you want to write up you own concise, precise description of what a mod is I'm still available.

>>380738397
The fucking argument was there isnt a large modding scene for blizzard games not that you cant mod their games you goalposting moving strawmanning little cunt.

>>380738537
It tells you a mod is the altering of game code you dumb little shit.
Using assets available to you from the game is not altering anything.

>>380738436
No. Its modding game files thats what a mod fucking is you stupid shit. The argument wasnt that war3 cant be modded that was your strawman.
Liar.

>>380722321

>WC3 still alive

Shoot it and start over. After it got swamped with DotA and other MOBA customs the online community felt dead to me. Could never fill up any other game.

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>>380738662
She also tell you replacing dragons for ponies using Bethesda's tools is modding.

>>380735702
The whole "IIII vs IV" thing on clocks is a timeless question. It's been around since roman times and no one knows why.

>>380738216
Are yountelling me that skyrims editor comes with mlp models. Why are you such a dishonest person? Have you considered suicide faggot?

>>380738542
No the argument in that instant was
>The difference is one is purely a map editor made thing using Blizzards assets.
>The other requires 3rd party tools, modeling, skin creation, sound creation etc
Which the image I posted destroys.

For your other argument that there isn't a large modding scene for blizzard games, I suggest you look at the same image, and see that people have made tens of thousands of modding resources which gives you undeniable proof that there is a large modding scene.

>>380738867
Are ponies part of bethesdas kit? Yes or no? Answer it dumb fuck or fuck off.

>>380738776
Modding is modifying a game. Its aesthetics, its ruleset, whatever.

Custom maps are therefore modding, specially if they introduce new objectives, mechanics, etc like most custom maps did.

>>380739024
Mlp models do not come from bethesda it uses the editir to add them the models themselves DO NOT. You destroyed your own argument. You are an idiot.

>>380733616

It'll have Hots graphics

Which are actually pretty fucking good for an RTS-like.

Hots literally has the best looking character models of all three main Dota-clones. League looks like a pile of shit as it always has, and Dota is hella outdated at this point because they refuse to update anything without the playerbase handing over 1billion shekels in "Prize fund raising"

>>380739113
No modding is modifying game files. Full stop. If its not created by you independant of the game its not modding.

>>380738867
HE COMES

>>380738981
Do you think Warcraft 3 came with a Kimarhi skin and model?

>>380739049
Bethesda's kit allows you to load models. Therefore, models loaded are mods.

Blizzard's map editor allows you to write new objectives, gameplay mechanics, load icons, etc. Therefore, maps are not mods.

I don't understand your logic.

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>>380721245
>tfw no Lost Vikings 1 and 2 remaster

>>380739320
>he keeps doing it
Strawmanning fuck off. You lost dumb kid. Modding is something that is beyond the average person like you because its essentially game design.

>>380721245
Unless WC3 has a map editor then it's fucking nothing

>>380739429
>loading pony models is game design
>creating new games that can be easily shared as custom maps is "beyond him"

>>380739370
The model is created by a 3rd party software and loaded into the game the model is the mod.
You really are a stupid person.

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>>380721245
THIS MEANS NEW BATTLENET SURGE YEEEEESSSSSSSSS
>loap
>Video game rpg
>footman wars
>werewolf transylvania
>aftermath
>saw
>RISK
THE GOLDEN AGE RETURNS

>>380721340
same as movies

>>380739523
>implying the average person eg you can model there own model for a game.
4chan should teach you that is the case. Since most people pay or beg for simple modeling jobs.

>>380739589
who /ringwars/ here

>>380739523
You will never be a game designer. You can play around when the map editors but you are not actually a game designer autist kiddie

>>380722367
Not gonna happen. Blizzard will not do it.

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>>380739589
>werewolf transylvania
My nigger. Hopefully Eras zombie invasion will make a return as well.

>>380739543
>3d model is loaded into the game
>map is loaded into the game
>these are somehow different because of who the creator of the tools that created the new content is

Let's get a reminder on what the discussion is about:
>Its because they never gave a shit about user generated content like other companies. Thats why there is no true moding scene with their games. (>>380736486)
The argument is about Blizzard not giving a fuck about users because, unlike other companies, they don't support modding. Yet, Blizzard themselves make software so you can easily modify the game... and apparently this is bad, instead they should do nothing so it is third parties who make the tools?

That makes no sense. Blizzard (RTS) games are some of the most modded ever.

>>380739589
jokes on you the /v/ group already solved most maps and is gonna shit on all the nerds coming back

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HD Belves?

>the wannabe modders itt
Do you actually think playing around with staredit or whatever made you a modder?
Wait, haha my sides

>>380739797
I could be a "game designer" if I wanted, I'd just need to get a copy of Skyrim and load up some ponies.

>>380730478
what the fuck happened to arthas

>>380739904
They don't give a fuck blizzard has only recently even acknowledged actual mods.
There was a whole modding scene for d2 that never got a mention from them. It even featured in magazines but blizzard ignored it.
As far as claiming custom maps are mods they are not mods. Never have map editing been considered mods. Ever.
A mod is something like photoshopping a skin for blender model and sticking that in a game,

On the subject of what is a mod. It was most likely the fact that dota was not a mod which made Blizzard ignore it.

>>380723678
Never, even now with endless re-releases of fan favorite games, hardware updates for same gen consoles, >=$400 price tags, Nintendo shitting out first-party-only machines after another, and all of them selling between moderately to amazingly well, it's not going to happen.

>>380740258
>creating new gameplay is not a mod
>changing the hue value of a texture is

>>380740649
If changing a texture requires you to load up photoediting software and then use further software to extract it and insert it into the game then yes that is much more sophisticated than just making a scenario in the editor.
One actually requires coders with programming skills you stupid shit.

"New Gameplay Features"
ie; We're going to take out some of the content that players today would find disrespectful or obscene, but enjoy these always online features like Achievements!

>>380739429
>Strawmanning fuck off.
It's not strawmanning if it is your position.
What you are doing though is moving the goal post.

You claimed Skyrim was different because it used models outside the game. With snark asking if the guy thought they game with the game.
I showed that the same is done with warcraft maps. Meaning your argument is trash.

>>380739849
>werewolf transylvania
poor mans dark deeds

>>380739589
and no it won't you beaten housewife

>>380730478
Only Arthas looks weird, the rest look good

>>380741079
>keeps doing it
Its not my position and you are moving the goalpost. You even fucked yourself over by saying an actual mod was only done by bethesda software.
Your made argument is that blizzard games cant be modified which was never said you also incorrectly claim map editing is modding and that blizzard has had a popular modding scene.
Anything else you want to be smugly wrong about dumb cunt?

>>380740852
I just checked and the definition you gave before was taken from wikipedia. In that same article, it says:
>Developers such as id Software, Valve Corporation, Mojang AB, Bethesda Softworks, Firaxis, Crytek, The Creative Assembly and Epic Games provide extensive tools and documentation to assist mod makers

>Due to the increasing popularity and quality of modding, some developers, such as Firaxis, have included fan-made mods in official releases of expansion packs. A similar case is that of Valve Corporation, when they hired Defense of the Ancients author Icefrog

>Later mod-making tools include The Elder Scrolls Construction Set which shipped with Morrowind, the World Editor for Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, the Aurora toolset which was included with Neverwinter Nights, FRED and FRED2, the mission editors for Freespace and FreeSpace 2 respectively, the Obsidian tool set for Neverwinter Nights 2, the Garden of Eden Creation Kit SDK for Fallout 3, and the Valve Hammer Editor which is used to create maps for Half-Life, Half-Life 2 and various other games based on the Source engine

So according to the same article you quoted, map editors are mod tools, and maps are mods. Continuing from wikipedia, as that's your source, this is from the DotA page:

>Defense of the Ancients (DotA) is a multiplayer online battle arena mod

So no, the software used doesn't need to be third party.

>>380741393
You are cherry picking what i wasnt quoted. Do you enjoy being an idiot?

>>380741393
>mod making tools
Not mods.

>>380741391
From where did I move the goalpost, and where to anon?
>You even fucked yourself over by saying an actual mod was only done by bethesda software.
I did not.
>Your made argument is that blizzard games cant be modified
It is not my made my argument.
>you also incorrectly claim map editing is modding
It is not different to the thing you call modding in other games
>that blizzard has had a popular modding scene.
It does, look up hiveworkshop

You are an almost incoherent and insane person, a stupid person or a desperate troll.

>>380741585
I'm quoting the same article you quoted, where it refers several times to Blizzard tools and explicitly says they are modding tools, and the maps made with them are mods.

>>380741727
Do you legitmately have mental illness? How can someone argue about something they are so wrong about even going so far as to ruin their own argument multiple times. Are you actually alright?

>>380741691
Of course the map editors are not mods, the maps are.

>>380741812
Mod making tools are not mods retardanon. Many companies give software that allows you to upload mods with them but you arent given mids you have to make them your own.

>>380741894
Maps are not mods unless they have custom assets idiot.

>>380741997
Map editors -> mod making tools.
Maps -> mods.

>>380741882
>no u
Honestly this must be your best argument yet.
I mean it's stupid, but it's not retarded. It's not as disprovable as the other stuff you've said.

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>>380724768
>>380721340
>>380721245
simple answer

>>380741727
Can you stop posting like forever you're a moron.

>>380742075
So you confirm that the dota map in warcraft 3 is a mod then

>>380742075
They have, at the very least, custom gameplay, coded by the author.

>>380723490
there was a fan remake that got shut down

>>380742142
Its ironic because you have been doing this as a reply to every post you underage mentally ill stupid cunt.
Like its been said you actually claimed mlp mods were a map editing tool creation.
Anon you're an idiot.

>>380742310
Using scripts from the game is not a mod as it already exusted in the game.
You're not a modder you fucking potato.

>>380742361
Not him, but what I said was:
>that your definition of "mod" came from a woman
>who wrote it in an article
>in which she also claimed swapping skyrim dragons for ponies using bethesda's tools was a mod

All of which is true.

Apparently, coding new gameplay rules is not modding, but loading up a pony model is... even if both are made using first party tools.

>>380742142
>thinks mods made by peoples hard work is not modding
>thinks playing around with a custom map editir is modding
Oh no its retarded

>>380742459
>programming mechanics in the game is not programming because the language is already made

>>380742361
>Like its been said you actually claimed mlp mods were a map editing tool creation.
I did not.

>>380742618
You've been fucking posting not him the entire thread you even said not him and my post in the same fucking post. Enough.

>>380742674
>thinks loading up pony models is modding
>thinks programming gameplay mechanics is not modding

>>380739130
>Mlp models do not come from bethesda
>it uses the editir to add them the models themselves DO NOT.
What are you talking about?
The mlp models do not come from bethesdea.. therefore what?

>>380742824
kek

I've written some of the posts, other's I didn't.

For example, this is me: >>380738436
This isn't: >>380738397

>>380721692
Diablo 1 is a better game then Diablo 2 but I'd take either with just as much happiness. Well maybe not. I'd prefer D1. D2 is gonna be fun though

>>380721245
They need to fucking remaster WoW

>>380742872
>>380743017
Seriously? The mlp model is the mod. 0/10 trolling here or actually retarded

Actually the reason they are doing these remasters, the are so fucking bloated and invested into their agile development model that they literally can't get shit done. So they are kickstarting smaller teams in hope that they can potentially be unfolded into actual studios.

Diablo II is fucking flawless and does not need anything done to it. Fuck this shit. They're going to fuck things up and ruin it for the original version, you just know it.

>>380743440
Okay so plenty of modding in wc3 then as well.

>>380743720
>durrr

>>380721340
>hiring writers above staff-level in post-conglomerate film/tv/games

>>380743808
stop drooling you retard

>>380721245
based blizz

>>380721245
I am okay with this.

>>380739614
>>380721340
this

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YOU LEFT ME TO PICK UP YOUR PIECES BLIZZARD

>>380733814
This nigga knows where it's at.
t. indie dev

>>380740258
this whole conversation is stupid and you are stupid for starting it
when a game doesn't have map editing then it is a mod, when a game have map editing then it's a feature

>>380721245
more like warm the old classics up and shit on them

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>>380721245

>If I suspend your Paladins from service, would you suffer?
>Yes, it would be an extreme setback.
>You're a big Paladin
>For The Light!

Haha! Did you guys enjoy my meme? Thank you and good night!

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>Blizz remakes warcraft 3
>Changes ToS to have all rights to the custom games just like in starcraft

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>>380747007
>i'll be here all night folks
yeah take a hike buddy

Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.
Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!
Arthas: What?!
Uther: This entire city must be purged.
Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!
Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.
Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason.
Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?
Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.
Jaina: Uther! He can't just--
Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.
Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.
Jaina: ...Arthas?
Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this

>>380721340

just like the movie industry

>>380721245
I have my doubts about this. Starcraft I was all too happy about, but Diablo I can see being fucked over the most followed by Warcraft.

>D2 remastered
RIP Diablo 3

>>380738091
The base editor wasn't restricted to the GUI trigger scripting - you could still do 'proper' coding with JASS if you choose to.

With that said, most big/advanced maps used a unlocked, community version of the editor.