Why do so few games know how to give a good sense of exploration?

>>380693767
Because the player isnt allowed to get stuck or miss anything

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>>380694013
Fucking why though? Why is missing something so bad? Isn't that better since it gives the product more replayability and thus more value? I can see why the companies who make them see the need to cater to a possible audience like that but I don't understand why such an audience who hates fun like that can even exist in the first place.

>>380693767
I blame minimaps. If you're always looking at the minimap to see where you should go you don't pay attention to the surroundings and just head straight for the goal.

>>380693767
Because games are now made for people who don't like videogames (the majority of people) so they simulate movies.

Why? because that's where the money is and videogame companies are business first and foremost.

I never felt much of a sense of discovery in EO. It's fun to explore though. But now that you mention it, I really want a dungeon crawler with lots of interconnected areas to find. Like a metroidvania without items gating progress.

I didn't read what you posted but fuck for that pic.

Saw the thumb and my heart skipped a beat on the possibility of a new souls game.

>>380694345
The only people that buy games are wagecucks that are tired from work and only have 2 hours to play games
If you frustrate them in any way they switch to something else

>>380695080
But Dark Souls has sold extremely well. People just try to copy it and miss the mark entirely.

I love Dragon's Dogma.

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oh boy is this a stealth kemono Friends thread

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>>380695024
From the 2 of them that I have played it seems they did put some thought into how the general layout of the maps and the gimmicks for some of them (the ice in that one dungeon in EO4 where you can melt it and the moving sand in EO1 and the remake for example) do quite a good job of making the areas unique and giving them some character IMO.

>>380695067
I'm pretty sure they've said they're done with souls games, so you're only making yourself suffer by holding out hope. Also there's a ton of Souls image edits out there so I'm not sure why you're so surprised.

>>380695446
Fuck off, obese weeb

>>380694345
same reason movies arent ever 3 hours long anymore. People are being made more and more retarded so stuff can be made cheaper

>>380694940
>"Games that are now made for people who don't like videogames"
Man that perfectly sums the last 17 years

there needs to be things worth finding

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>>380695446
let's get this show on the road. what vidya related thing are they looking at, /v/?

>>380695080
Isn't it a shame, dear parasite?
You wish games were made for you, but you don't have any money...

hollow knight was shilled beyond measure, but the exploration is 10/10

>>380695201
it doesn't matter, you are not trying to sell the game anyway,
you are just trying to convince those who are approving your budgets.
and they are extremely shallow and dumb people

>>380693767
Prey, the new one.

>>380695725
17 is a bit of a stretch, anon. I would personally say the last 11 years. 6th gen had consistently killer games

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>>380695658
>People are being made more and more retarded so stuff can be made cheaper
As much as I'd like to pin the blame on someone are you honestly going to tell me there's some conspiracy going on to make the common person more stupid?

>>380695942
>>380695725
I personally don't see the industry with the same doom and gloom.
For example, right now I'm playing Nioh (why are those optional dual bosses so god damn hard? I've been the past hour trying to defeat the moth dude + oni dude), I enjoyed it immensely and it's a game released in 2017.
I can't think of a single year when the industry didn't release a game I didn't enjoy immense.y.

>>380696293
Oh, I still enjoy modern games. Quite a lot actually, and 2017 has been a great year. Modern gaming in general just isn't as consistent as it used to be

>>380696293
Are you young? I think a lot of /v/ are weebs who keep getting average at best games and just want Japan to be great again.

Nioh imo is just garbage as an example of one such anon.

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>>380695725
Why do you old faggots pretend that every game made after the turn of the century is bad? Some of the best shit I've played are PS2 era stuff like MGS 2 and 3, Ace Combat 4, 5, and 0, Silent Hill 2, etc. Hell it's not even nostalgia speaking, I didn't play that stuff at release because I didn't have a PS2 until a few years ago, but it seems like some of those games are so much better than what companies can pump out now with a fraction of the staff that they have now. Or maybe they managed to make them so good because of the fact that there were lesser people working on them, who knows.

>all these jaded queers that cry about every single game ever made except for the ones when they were kids

everytime

>>380696720
I'm pretty sure I'm older than you, and no, Nioh isn't garbage. It has some shortcomings but it is a good game.

>>380696807
In general there is no passion in modern games because of the jews so to speak. And the staff aren't as talented either.

Just look at the enemy roster or dungeons in BOTW compared to older Zeldas. That's a perfect example.

>>380696915
Nah, it's garbage.

>>380696720
Persona 5, Nier Automata, Bloodborne, Yakuza 0 and Odin Sphere leifthrasir are all great modern Japanese games. I feel sorry for you if you don't enjoy any of them

>>380696976
>great
Do you have low standards or just a hyperbole problem?

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>>380696807
>that image
that's pretty good

>>380697094
What Japanese games do you think are great then? Genuinely curious

>>380696976
>Odin Sphere
>modern
>great
>any Yakuza
>great
>Bloodborne
>great
Haven't played P5 and Nier was just a sequel with barely cutting it gameplay.

That list is also all that Japan has mustered that was above average in several years. The entire country can't seem to make a good game, look at how XV and TLG turned out. Just shameful.

>>380693767
depends on what you want from "exploration"

Souls has exploration, but so does Skyrim. Both are very different games.

>>380697262
Ah, you're one of those jaded individuals unable to enjoy videogames due to mental illness like depression. I got it.

It was a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you. I'll take my leave.

>>380697436
The closest Skyrim gets to exploration is that deep underground cavern part with the glowing trees, everything else is just one of four dungeon types copy pasted over and over again

>>380697450
>jaded
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Look at what I said:
>Are you young? I think a lot of /v/ are weebs who keep getting average at best games and just want Japan to be great again.
You probably are young, faggot.

That said I'm completely able to enjoy video games, so you can stop making dumbass assumptions because you're incapable of making an argument or considering another's opinion. Fucking loser. Tip your hat elsewhere. You're the one with low standards.

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>>380697436
>but so does Skyrim
Oh boy, I hope the next crypt I go to doesn't look EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME AS THE LAST 10. Bethesda are the laziest fucking hacks in gaming and I genuinely have no idea how their games sell so well. Everything from the models to the animations to the RPG mechanics are done with the absolute minimum effort required, not to mention how much scripted shit there is which look absolutely ridiculous if you don't follow their one true path to a T.

>>380697692
Let's here these great games you enjoy then with your high standards

>>380697636
>>380697718
would it calm your autism if I said Oblivion or Morrowind instead?

>>380695658
Hah, most movies are getting longer these days tho, like Transformers movies are 3 hours long each

You're just a jaded cunt.
>Mad Max
>Witcher 3
>Arkham games
>Tomb Raider
Just from the top of my head. All those games have good exploration.

>>380697881
I'd rather stay on topic than shitpost with a child like you.

>>380698195
Okay grandpa, sorry to bother you. I'll let you get back to your important adult business now

2bh the most fun I have exploring is in games with generated maps like civilization or dwarf fortress

>>380698165
You have never played a good exploration game.

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>>380698396
A well thought out game designed by hand will probably win out against randomly generated ones every time but I would be lying if I said I didn't have my fair share of fun with games that have them.

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>>380698457
How about giving examples instead of being a passive aggressive faggot?