>boss fight is unwinnable >don't realize this and

>>380679941
>received hours of emergent gameplay
>complains
gamers are so entitled

>JRPG
>Multi stage boss fight
>Takes hours to do
>lose during end stage and have to start all over again

>wasting all your healing items on a boss fight you're supposed to lose

>boss fight is unwinnable
>actually it isn't and you're just bad

>>380679941

FF Type 0 was so bad about that.

There were so many intended losses I started just letting bosses kill me the first time.

>>380680136
Thank you for your opinion neogaffer!

>>380680241
>Takes hours to do
What games?

>>380679941
>you're supposed to lose to the boss
>but if you can beat him you get a level boost and the cutscene afterwards is made in such a way that it seems like you could have won or lost

>>380680673
the 3rd paper mario

>>380679941
>first phase of boss fight is unwinnable
>after a cutscene, the fight is winnable
>wasted all your items and magic/mana/whatever points on the first phase

>>380680746
>you're supposed to lose to the boss
>it's still possible to beat him, but when you do the game just acts like you lost anyways

>>380679941
You'd think after the first 20 minutes you'd realize this

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>>380680908
FUCKING THIS

>>380680908
>the game has an already dead character stagger towards MC and stab him
>this somehow loses the fight even though you'd just spent 15 minutes no-selling magic nukes to the face

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>finally beat bullshit boss
>he comes back stronger and fully healed immediately after being defeated

>beat difficult boss
>it's a regular enemy in the next area

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>>380679941
>spend an hour and a half trying to figure out how to keep a specific npc alive during a fight
>finally figure it out
>just stands there after, can't be interacted with in any way

>fight boss for 40 minutes, decide to give up and assume it's not winnable
>the fight is winnable and you have to beat it to progress

What a horrible feeling.

>Keep flashy combat cut scenes on cause they look cool
>Final boss has a minute and a half long combat cutscene that he does often
>And no it can't be skipped

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>>380681949
>Knowing you have to grind
>End up reflecting on the overall game up to that point
>Realize it's unfun and unengaging
>Drop it and move on

>>380682349
Sounds like a Tales game. Those mystic artes get really fuckin' gay in long battles.

>>380679941
>If you dont assasinate the guy on the right first a glitch causes the guy on the left to have infinite hp
wasted 20 minutes on that battle

>boss is supposed to be unbeatable
>beat it
>game just freezes and crashes

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>>380680558
>FF Type 0 bad ending
>it's an endless stream of enemies who are supposed to kill you
>but they only spawn 3 at a time and your characters pretty much all hit for max damage due to plot
>If you play as King you can kill hundreds of enemies and never get hit
>basically forced to commit suicide with all my characters just to get out of it already

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>boss fight you're supposed to lose
>win anyway
>get super OP items as a reward

>boss shrugs everything off once you beat it and almost kills you in cutscene
>turn it around and kill him in cutscene instead
my favorite

>>380681121
They should change God-Mode to Scott Steiner mode so you can no sell even in scripted events.

I love disgaea

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>>380683032
>EOU2
>That one quest early-ish where you have the choice to run or survive a few turns against the Storm Emperor
>Turn on Picnic
>Leg bind it so it can't run away
>Force break with everyone
>Fafnir's force break ends up killing it and getting the conditional drop at level 48
It was at this point I decided picnic mode was a literal godmode

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>>380679941
>boss fight you're meant to lose
>defeat the boss regardless
>beat the game 5 hours earlier

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>multiple unbeatable fights against boss
>you can choose to run or fight despite being warned
>there's a time when fighting the losing battle is the right choice

>Boss is only found by way of an obscure side quest you may not realise you're even undertaking
>Boss is harder than the final boss
>Boss drops no good loot

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>unwinnable boss fight you're supposed to lose because muh plot
>cheat and win anyway
>"ur not supose too do that lmao"
>game over

>Boss tells you that he's literally invincible
>He isn't and it's actually quite easy to beat

>>380680908

Anyone know of games circumvent this and reward you for winning fights you are supposed to "lose?"

I remember in Tales of Destiny on the PS1 you could win the "unwinnable" fight with Leon at the beginning of the game. Beating him essentially ends the game there only a couple hours in and takes you to the title screen.

>>380683847
The game I posted a bit above rewards you for beating the final boss early. It attacks you before the end of the game and is normally too difficult to beat yet, but if you manage to beat it, you win the game then and there.

>>380683032
Lufia 2 was awesome

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>>380679941
>Boss fight seems unwinnable
>After several minutes, you voluntarily die
>Game Over

>>380683847
Magna Carta, a PS2 game with cowtits party members

>game doesn't tell you that this is an unwinnable fight
>its a resource based game so you waste resources you otherwise won't get back

>>380679941
I'm playing Xenoverse 2 right now and that shit is so annoying

>be careful, this enemy looks really tough!
>literally just slapping him around because he hit his minimum health and can't die until the cutscene ends

fuck you Turles

>>380682539
I was hinting at FF7

>>380683847
Beating the boss in the tutorial of Demon's Souls teleports you to a special area of a later stage where you can collect a bunch of souls. Then you get punched to death by a dragon.

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>boss is fucking impossible and takes 0 damage, making you think it's scripted
>it's not

>>380682719
Walrus is no joke my man

>fight easy boss
>due to JRPG fucked, your characters destroy it
>on bosses only turn it says the boss won't fight
>kill boss
>you were supposed to lose! Game over!

Fucking blue dragon

>>380685901
>You had to do something beforehand to make it winnable and the game doesn't tell you what it is

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>>380685901
>it's a "you have to hit the boss from a certain angle or target a specific part of it to damage its armor so that you can attack him normally" fight

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>protect X
>enemy completely wipes X before you even get a turn
Good thing my nigga Mustadio is fast enough after I pumped all my speed boosting items to him

>>380680908
>You're supposed to lose to the boss
>If you beat him he tells you to fuck off and gives you a game over.

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>>380686318
>protect X character
>X at any time will run into the middle of a fight and stand there while you're scrambling to kill enemy forces, which are all targeting them
>Boss uses an attack that hits everyone and will do lots of damage to X
>game yells at you when X dies for their own stupid choices

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>>380679941
>Doing piss tons of damage to boss
>4 different mandatory health gates make most of your dps mean shit

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>Get really good at taking out the Asylum Demon on the first encounter without black firebombs
>Ruin the game for myself by forcing myself to do it again on every new character because I know I can

>boss immediately kicks your ass
>assume you're supposed to lose so give up
>lose
>you were supposed to beat him

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>Boss fight has a weak point
>Too stupid to realize that
>Beat boss by brute force alone
>A fight that would have otherwise been fun and balanced ended up tedious and unrewarding

I hate being dumb.

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>>380679941
>Boss fight is unwinnable and you're explicitly told to avoid contact because of it.
>This is a lie, and the boss actually has some sweet as loot if you scum it hard enough.

>>380686948
I killed that bean bitch in Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga by attacking her crown over and over again.

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>>380680770
FUCKING THIS

Also
>Boss fight will result in one of your party members perma-dying or being removed from the party for an extended period of time.
>Everything you gave said party member is gone forever, regardless of how rare or expensive it was.

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>give bosses a bunch of items to steal in the game since the MC is a thief
>give a few of them a super low steal rate

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>Game starts with unbeatable boss
>Game ends with you fighting on par with the previously unbeatable boss

KINO

>>380680673
Final Fantasy XII had a few optional ones that took hours

Final Fantasy VIII's last boss took me about an hour

The entire sequence of Wild Arms 3's last boss fight can take an hour considering between the last boss of the last dungeon and traversing the world to fight the actual last boss and its 10 forms can take a while (especially if you go to check out the alternative dialogue from NPCs at this point), and the game doesn't let you save in between all this.

>>380680673
Etrian Odyssey final superbosses except the Warped Saviour

>>380679941
>introduce cutscene
>character walks out, move camera to look out window facing the sky until he gets back
>just staring out there for like 10 minutes
>game actually froze a while ago

>Game has had several boss battles where you were supposed to lose already
>Start fighting final boss
>Final boss starts the fight by hitting your whole party for 5x their life
>Assume that it's an unwinnable battle and some cool thing is supposed to happen before the real final battle starts
>It's actually not, the devs just wanted to artificially extend the game and make you go grind for double your levels

Fuck you Hyper Dimension Neptunia

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>>380687305
>beat boss in the beginning of the game when hes supposed to be unbeatable
>game locks up and freezes and crashes

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>>380687305
>boss turns invincible, can't do anything to him at first
>get a power over the course of the game that specifically takes that invincibility away
>boss uses magic to become stronger so that your ability can't steal his invincibility away
>side-plot about another character allows them to gives you enough extra strength to fight the powered up version
>new music kicks in for final fight in the game

Paper Mario was great.

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>>380687610
>Being a cheater

Begone, scum

>>380687786
Paper Mario was pure kino/11 through the entire game, good Lord. Might have to find a way to emulate that game one of these days to relive the old days.

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>>380687834
>being a scrub
C'mon now

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>>380687962
>Might have to find a way to emulate that game one of these days
what

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>>380679941
>Tekken 7
>Get to the 5th phase of the final boss
>If you don't use your bullshit special move before they do you have to start that entire phase over

Guess how long it took me to realize that?

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>Boss can regenerate health to max an unlimited number of times

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>Start a brand new game
>Try to skip the tutorial
>The game asks 'Do you really want to skip it?'
>Click 'Yes'
>The game asks 'Do you think your good?'
>Click 'Yes'
>Game suddenly puts you against the end boss

>>380689109
what game

>Final boss has 2 phases
>During the second phase the main theme of the game starts playing

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>boss casts [HolyDragSword] while the field is white

>>380689245
Dissidia

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>boss fight is winnable but you're expected to lose, the story continues either way
>winning requires you to git gud

Those are my favorite, I can only think of a handful of games that have done it.

>>380689245
dissidia final fantasy 012

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>Boss fight you are supposed to lose shows up, he's easily 20 times your level at that point
>If you abuse game mechanics, you can level up and kill him instead
>If you do that he gets mad as fuck and just blows up the universe

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>>380690816
Etna a shit in every game past 1.

Flonne was the only character that stayed good even as a cameo.

>Beat a boss when the game tells you to run.
>Boss addresses the player directly to congratulate them for winning.

>>380679941
HEY BETER

>>380688871
Fucking Killalon. Fucking gay piece of shit boss

>>380680667
I can't even say you got baited because his post was clearly meant to be sarcastic. You're just retarded.

>>380686520
LISA?

>>380686894
>Ruin the game for myself by forcing myself to do it again on every new character because I know I can
How does that ruin the game? Are there really people so bad they have to use black firebombs? Even on my first playthrough he wasn't hard.

>>380688871
>Boss can regenerate to max health an unlimited number of times
>The only way to beat him is to convince him that he's wrong to fight you

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>Game throws you into the final boss at 1 HP

>game has the boss specifically avoid killing you by aiming away from you, but you can suicide into the shots on purpose to punish the boss for holding back.

>boss just heals back your damage every turn and seems unbeatable
>google tells me its supposed to back you out of the fight for a rematch later
>waste a million turns waiting for it to happen
>you're actually supposed to out-damage the healing until it backs you out
It forced me to fix up my team but I felt like an idiot

>>380695136
Game?

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>boss takes little damage from normal attacks
>takes 20 minutes of dodging and attacking to finally beat
>pick up item in the room that is used specifically for that boss battle
>mfw confused whether or not to be proud of myself for beating a boss the hardest way imaginable on my first try or disappointed in myself for being a complete retard

Fucking Yhorm.

>>380695554
Undertale. First boss.

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>>380679941
>boss is set up for you to lose but is beatable
>you get nothing for beating said boss and the cut scene still shows you losing

>>380679941
real life?

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>>380695781
Fucking Kingdom Hearts

>hype up final boss as super hard
>fight final boss
>he's actually easy
>rest of the game has challenge to it
What happened, Breath of the Wild?

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>h-haha this is so hard, i bet you're supposed to lose
>GAME OVER

>>380696174
Bad example though. They hyped him up as hard, but you spent literally the whole fucking game preparing to fight him.

You can go straight to him and get a super challenging fight that lasts forever.

If you go for high completion FIRST you'll end up seeing him as a pushover because you're basically making a specialized combat team designed to kill him, it should be no surprise he is weaker after 4 other people use tech specifically made to fight him against him before you get to him.

>>380693808
>Game throws you into the final boss at 1 HP
>enemy goes first
I love the first M+L game. Such a great final boss.

>Xillia 2
>First Chronos fight
>Made it look like you're supposed to lose
>It's not

I didn't know you have to win that considering Elize is not in my party.

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>boss can brainwash a party member
>brainwashed party member can heal boss to full health

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>>380679941
Why would you keep fighting him for hours if you can't beat him?

>>380683847
When you first encounter Dark Souls' tutorial boss, you don't have your weapon, and you're supposed to flee. If you beat him without fleeing the first time, you're rewarded with his weapon.

>>380696835
Yeah, but even at half health, I expected a challenge.

>>380680673
Persona 3 is infamous for it

>>380680756
huh? all of the battles in SPM are pretty easy or short, if not both

did you mean the Shadow Queen fight?

>>380693114
It isn't hard, just tedious punching his ass until he dies.

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>boss is easily beatable
>die anyway
>game crashes

>>380698540
It's an open world game, and a challenging one at that if you don't specifically abuse the food mechanics by grinding all the time for it. The bosses in general are fine, the game is challenging but open world games in general are harder at first and get easier over time.

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>>380679941
>first Gunther encounter in deus ex

>>380698093
iirc, you can't even beat him unless you choose black firebombs as your gift. I think his health stops going down at 1hp otherwise

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>>380679941
>Boss fight is hype as FUCK
>You're close now, so very close to me!
>It's the fucking level 20 tutorial character
>He's the fucking handsome final boss
>He dies in literally 2 hits.
Fucking shit, I know you're supposed to be able to fight him at level 40-60, but I wish they at least bumped up the AI and HP for high-level shitters like me.

>>380687962
>find a way to emulate that game
dude just emulate it

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>>380700907
Didn't know that was a thing.

>>380679941
>winning gives you the false ending.
>you were to pick up faint and garble translated social cues the MC wanted to be defeated.
Tales of Symphonia 2 is ass.

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>spends months sieging a castle
>decide to finally assault it
>massacre all their units but you yourself are pretty injured
>win the battle
>last part is invading their main throne room or whatever
>enter
>get sniped by a stray bolt
>character is KO'd
>the game automatically brought in my peasant tier dudes
>well I still have like 1000 guys waiting out side
>YOU HAVE FAILED THE SIEGE

I love M&B but that game pisses me off so much sometimes.

>>380683847
DBZ BT3, some levels you play as shit characters like kid gohan and krillin and have to beat dodoria and shit. If you win you get an alternate timeline thing I think.

>game has a challenging boss/level
>end up beating it using a unorthodox method the game didn't intend for you to do


In FFTA, there was this level where a bunch of crystals would charm your units. I didn't realize at the time, but if you hit your own units while charmed, it would break the charm effect.

I was stuck on that level for a while then I decided to see if I can grab a law card that would ban charm effects, which I got. Then I banned it during the level and it was funny seeing that the AI literally couldn't do anything.

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>winning a boss fight that's meant to be too hard
>NPC comes in and finishes off the boss
>"he nearly had you!"