Daily JRPG thread >what are your favorites Xenoblade Chronicles,

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Fuck e3

I wish I could play a JRPG as good as suikoden II again for the first time.

Glad Etrian Odyssey 5 is confirmed. Ready to raid a dungeon.

Someone tell me how Trails in the Sky is.

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
FFX, FFVII, Star Ocean 3, Chrono Trigger, Suikoden II, Wild Arms 3
>what are you playing
Tales of Zestiria, and Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
>what are you looking forward to
Xenoblade Chronicles 2

>>380527645
Seriously

yfw
>Wild Arms 6 never ever
>Suikoden 6 never ever
>Golden Sun 4 never ever
>Legaia 3 never ever
>Final Fantasy Tactics 4 with online never ever
>Breath of Fire 6 scrapped and remade as a legit console game instead of a mobage abomination never ever
>No new Tales announced at E3
>DQX localized never ever
>Grandia 4 never ever
>Vesperia PS3v never ever
>Every JRPG not released stateside before 2015 getting a localization never ever

Like damn if you're a JRPG fan you can't get hype for E3 anymore. Used to be we could get like 2 new games per conference. Now we're lucky if they show a trailer for one that was already announced.

>>380527645
I tried to get into the saga games, especially Saga frontier 2 looks gorgeous, but they make no fucking sense to me, I am just to stupid for them, the only one I got into a bit longer was the PS2 one and I had to restart it once because I gimped myself by fighting to much, that aspect really is a bad design choice, I wasn't even grinding, I was just not avoiding every fight, but I like to explore a lot, which probably resulted in to many fights. Some extensive manual or something similar, explaining every tiny aspect for retards like me would be great. What game would you recommend to start out?

>>380526572
Here's your homework, due by tomorrow: make a better JRPG thread OP.

>>380526572
>favorites
DeSu 1, Strange Journey, P5, Xenoblade Chronicles
>playing
Tales of Berseria, Shadows of Valencia
>looking forward to
SMT5, EO5

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Xenogears

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I just started Growlanser VI. My moonrune decoding skills are awful so I'm relying on an external script translation. However the plate system seems to be pretty different compared to Growlanser V. Could someone explain the changes to me? I want to get my buffs to max level asap, how do I get multiple copies of a plate? Does it matter which chain the plate is placed in?

>>380529439
Romancing SaGa 2, I haven't played it myself but it seems to be the fan favourite in these threads.

>what are your favorites
Xenoblade Chronicles, Ao no Kiseki
>what are you playing
Persona 5
>what are you looking forward to
Xenoblade 2, Cold Steel 3, FF7 remake

>>380529215
>tfw we won't even get fan translations because games have become so advanced

>>380530161
romasaga2 is my personal favourite but I think saga frontier is a lot more popular on /v/. Ask the saga general on /vr/, they know a lot more than I do.
>>>/vr/4056863

I've heard people say to avoid romasaga2 because it's "hard" but that's not really the case, even if you 'grind' it never really becomes hard. I like the waza and formation system and I think it's super cool how you can die then build a new party specifically optimized to avenge your death. I didn't have any trouble finding stuff to do when I played through blind or anything like that. Definitely give it a try when it gets released on vita.

>>380531429
megaten fans aren't even getting fan translations of snes games that were announced 8 years ago

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>>380531965
>game is 23 years old
>still no translation patch

the struggle is real

>>380532496
I would sacrifice a goat for majin tensei 1 and 2 but nobody seems to care, even the fan translation projects for the gba versions of smt1 and 2 were abandoned. At least we got kyuuyaku though

>Favorites
Grandia 2, Grandia 3, Dragon Quest 8, Evolution 2: Far Off Promise

>Playing
Grandia Xtreme, Persona 4

>Looking forward to
Persona 5, since I'm broke

I've never played Xenoblade before and watched the Xenoblade 2 premier. Does the combat pick up later in the game?

>>380526572
>Favorites
FFVIII, Grandia 2, Persona 4, Atelier Ayesha, Ar Nosurge, Phantasy Star Online
>Playing
Persona 3
>Looking forward to
Xenoblade 2, Blue Reflection, FFVII Remake, next Atelier

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>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Trails series, especially Sky Second Chapter and Cold Steel 2.

>what are you playing
Trails to Zero fan translation

>what are you looking forward to
Trails of Cold Steel 3, and a potential Trails to Azure fan translation

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>>380533728
My dark skinner brother

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>>380534202
>>380533728
skinned*

What's an underused setting in JRPGs? I want a game that completely takes place in romanticized cave man times.

Basically 64m BC from Chrono Trigger, but like a whole game.

>>380533317
The combat in Xenobalde was pretty awful except when playing the mage girl. Super basic realtime shit.
The story, world, scenario were all amazing though.

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>ywn play your favorite jrpg for the first time ever again

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy IX, Legend of Legaia, Grandia I
>what are you playing
Replaying Final Fantasy VII currently. Gods, is the Steam port a disaster
>what are you looking forward to
I'm not really keeping up with new releases, but I still have an immense amount of games in my backlog to chew through.

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Final Fantasy X, Persona 5, Trails of Cold Steel, Tokyo Mirage #FE
>what are you playing
Persona4G, Conception II
>what are you looking forward to
Cold Steel 3

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>>380526572
When kids say that certain JRPGs have aged like milk, I don't blame them one bit. The graphics in JRPGs have always been behind western games (aside from Final Fantasy) and a lot of the appeal for games like Suikoden II and Final Fantasy Tactics were due to being great games that were brand new releases at the time.

>>380533728
>>380534202
I've heard that Trails to Zero and Azure have good combat and cute girls, but the TitS games do not. Is it necessary to spend 100+ hours on the TitS games or should one skip to where the series gets good?

Is the battle system in Cold Steel better than Zero/Azure? Can I also start there?

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>>380535872
>TitS games

>>380535872
Crossbell (Zero and Azure) are closer to the Sky games than the Cold Steel games in terms of combat. Combat doesn't really go full speed demon fun mode until cold steel

with that said, even though you COULD play the cold steel games without the sky games, I can't recommend it to someone who can't be bothered to enjoy the entire Trails storyline. It's not the same just getting one little slice of the pie.

>>380534606
There's a section in the Square Snes Rpg called Live-a-Live that's caveman oriented. It's a strange game and you have to play the fan translation. But it's good.

>>380535727
- Games don't age
- I would not recommend early JRPGs like Phantasy Star 1, despite being 'impressive' for their time they are not very entertaining compared to later games
- Many of the best JRPGs of all time are from the 90s
- Most popular games are popular because of marketing. Popularity has little to do with quality.
- I've never played Suikoden, should I?

>>380527645
My man!

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>>380526572
I generally hate JRPGS but I fucking love Xenoblade and SMT for some reason.

>>380529215
We got .hack//G.U. Last Recode. I've been waiting a decade for a new Western release of anything .hack. I'm still in shock that it's actually happening. If you are a JRPG fan, we won. Big time.

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>Etrian Odyssey V
>Radiant Historia
>SMT: Deep Stange Journey
>Monster Hunter Stories
>Ni No Kuni 2
>Xenoblade 2
>Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions
>Dragon Quest XI
>Octopath Traveler
>More that I'm probably forgetting
>Everything in the backlog that has come out this year

TOO MANY JRPGS MY LIFE ISN'T LONG ENOUGH FOR THIS

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>>380526572

I am being dead honest, I have never played a turn based JRPG in my life, just because I never thought they would appeal to me. I am really sick of most games and feel like I need to broaden my horizons, plus I feel like experiencing a good adventure.

What is the best jrpg for a total noob to the genre? also it can't be too weeb, overly weeb artstyles really throw me off.

>>380536794
>I would not recommend Phantasy Star sms
Kill yourself faggot. I just played PS for the first time and found it amazing.

>Favorites
Persona 4, Chrono Trigger, FFX

>Currently playing
Persona 5, and trying so hard to get into FFVII. I've started this game four separate times now and every time I get to Kalm I lose all interest. Fingers crossed this time

>Looking forward to
A bunch of the switch stuff seemed cool. Octopath traveler, xenoblade 2, etc. also pretty hyped for ffxii remake so here's hoping that's good.

>>380538173
Also add Persona 3 to the favorites list. I fucked up

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>>380538019
It was my one of my favourite games back in the day but compared to later games the combat just seems dull and repetitive. Not a lot of thinking involved.

>>380537917
persona 5 is a very good introduction, honestly

>>380526572
should i get xenoblade chronicles on dolphin or 3ds?

>>380537917
Chrono Trigger is generally pointed out as a good entry point, not excessively long, and generally one of the best things Squaresoft produced during the Nintendo era

>>380538728
Dolphin, with the HD texture pack

>>380538659

I'm familiar with the gist of Persona. It looks way too weeby for me, I am not into tropey anime and japanese highschool stuff.

I am thinking of just starting with Final Fantasy 6

>>380537917
a couple of months ago i was in the same situation as you, i even dislike anime, but started Final Fantasy 4 and i'm almost finishing it, aside from all the random encounter stuff it feels really good and has an amazing story/characters.

>what are your favorites
Suikoden 2, Vagrant Story, FFT, FF8
>what are you playing
Fire Emblem Echoes
>what are you looking forward to
Nothing

How the fuck do I manage to actually finish a JRPG? I enjoy playing them but it seems like the farthest I can get is 20-30 hours into one before I just sort of forget about it. I've played a pretty good amount of them but I've never even managed to finish so much as a pokemon game.

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I want to play so many games I missed, because my last console was PS1 and before that I had snes, mega drive and nes but I was a small little kid and played beat'em ups and platformers. But I still have same old PC I had in 2009 and will be buying new one only around winter. Most games even on dolphin emulator run at 70-85% speed and I don't want to ruin the impression.
Anyways
>what are your favorites
Legend of Mana, Suikoden 2 Ys Memories of Celceta, Persona 4, Breath of Fire 4, maybe Berseria because characters
>what are you playing
TitS the 3rd, Xenoblade Chronicles, Skies of Arcadia
>what are you looking forward to
I'm not looking forward to games anymore

>>380538926
You should just play a bunch of final fantasy games, it's a good entry level series and they all have somewhat different gameplay, figure out what you enjoy the most (simpler game with more story like 4 or 6, more character building driven like 3 or 5, characters are heavily customizeable blank slates like 7 or 8, characters with fixed classes like 9 or 10, dynamic class change like 10-2) and move on from there to different games depending on what you liked the most

>>380539265
>TitS the 3rd
You were just itching to call it tits weren't you

>>380539240
Play a JRPG shorter than 20 hours

Currently playing Trails of Cold Steel.
Pretty damn good but really hoping something happens now, At the end of chapter 3 I believe and the two armies are being attacked so I hope this means the main story gets going

>>380538173
>and every time I get to Kalm I lose all interest.
But that's where the story gets interesting. Why would you stop there?

>>380539265
Have you tried PPSSPP? It's made with some voodoo magic so it might work even on your computer, and there are several great JRPGs on PSP.

>>380539656
Chapter 3 takes place in the Nord (AKA Bored) Highlands right? That's the part people tend to enjoy least. The story should definitely pick up from here. The attack on the two armies is an important point.

>>380539656
Man I've tried to play beat that game so many time. Everyone says just make it through the first game so you can play the much improved sequel. But fuck. I'm 30 hours in over the course of like two years of play and I can't see myself beating it anymore

>>380539938
Yep, Nord Highlands.
Actually kinda enjoyed the big open area since it was nice to look at the nature so I think I liked this field study the most so far.
Good to know though, Thank you!
>>380539947
What chapter did you stop at?

>>380539656
The plot sort of picks up soon, but the first game in every Trails subseries sort of acts like a world-building prologue more than anything

>>380539904
Yeah I played some games but there's not so many good ones there desu.
>>380539543
TitS in the sky.

>>380539761
I honestly think it's becuase I'm given the freedom of the open world. I don't really enjoy open world games too much. I can't explain it but I'm an idiot who likes being herded down a path I suppose.

>>380537917
"JRPG" isn't truly a genre. You can't really play a JRPG to get an idea of JRPGs because they can be so different. If you're looking for an adventure JRPG that narrows it down but you still have a lot of variation from stuff like Dark Souls, Romancing Saga, Ys Oath in Felghana, Dragon Quest VIII, etc.

>>380540328
Wait I'm dumb you said turn based. Try Romancing Saga or Dragon Quest.

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Daily reminder that Trails in the Sky FC actually has more exciting story events than Trails to Zero, despite how much nipfags talk up the Crossbell game

I mean, TiTS FC has you take back the royal villa and even storm the castle in the royal capital. Liberating a hospital from mafia thugs isn't nearly as cool or fun.

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>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Mother series, Breath of Fire IV, Dragon Quest VII, Metal Max Returns
>what are you currently playing
Soul Hackers, been kind of bored with it honestly though. I need to push through it a bit more, at the airport dungeon right now.
>what are you looking forward to
Really only DQXI

I really want them to just confirm DQXI for the switch, it's all that is keeping me from buying one. Stuff like the new mario and kirby llook great but I just can't pull the trigger yet without knowing about DQXI.

>>380540141
I'm pretty sure the field study after Nord, so chapter 4, and I think I was nearly done with it. I honestly just don't think it's the game for me. Like I said 30 hours over the course of two years as opposed to the 85 hours I have into Persona 5 right now over the two months since it's been out.

>>380540249
I've got good news for you, then. It's not really an open world. You are still herded through corridors until you get the airship. It's just that they are arbitrary invisible walls on the world map and such.

>>380540249
Here's a secret: Final Fantasy overworlds aren't open world in the modern sense of the world. You're still being herded down a path through a corridor, it's just that the corridor looks like a section of a continent. They very rarely give you multiple viable options on where to go and only VERY rarely dump you off somewhere with no directions on where to go or what to do.

>>380540612
>>380540626
I suppose I need to push through then. I like the combat and the materia system is fun too. Thanks for the convincing bros

>>380541213
>I like the combat
FFVII has one of the most shallow, barebones, braindead combat systems ever created. I always think it's crazy when people say they like FFVII combat while shitting on other games. Not saying that's you, but just that there are people who do that. I think they're just front-runners who only like things because of their popularity.

>>380540626
If all else fails, the dots on the map will indicate to you where the major world locations are. You'll more or less always be able to tell where you're supposed to go to by looking at the closest one you haven't been to yet. You generally don't have to explore to find hidden places unlike, say, an Elder Scrolls game, at leat not until the very endgame.

>>380541508
I mean it's not offensive. Like I said, I like it. But that doesn't mean it's my favorite ever. If not evidenced by my previous posts, I like boring ass vanilla rpgs and rpg systems. I don't need a fuck ton of convoluted systems and micromanagement. I just like turnbased combat with some small customization.

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>>380542115
>I like boring ass vanilla rpgs and rpg systems. I don't need a fuck ton of convoluted systems and micromanagement. I just like turnbased combat with some small customization.
Allow me to introduce you to the greatest videogame humanity has ever produced!

>>380542115
Grandia and Trails do turn-based the best IMO. I thought P5 was fun to play as well, and enjoyed the combat for the most part.

Don't get me wrong, I liked FFVII, but I just think some folks tend to overrate parts of it because of how popular it was.

>>380542554
I would recommend modding this one to make the ATB faster. It's a great game but the ATB is unbelievably slow in vanilla FFIX

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>>380526572
>salvaged a giant CRT TV
>dusted off my snes
>bought a snes flashcart
>patched in FF VI Relocalization hack
>still haven't played it

>>380542554
Believe me it's on my list. I wanted to beat a few more final fantasys first since I've heard 9 is a return to form after pervious FF's had strayed away from the formula a bit.

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>>380537917
What's the cutoff for weeb? Is pic related too weeb?

>>380542780
Yeah I'm assuming it's overrated too. I mean it's a childhood defining game for a lot of people. I had an n64 growing up so I missed all of the "all time great" rpgs on the ps1. So I don't have any of the nostalgia.

>>380543159
>Is pic related too weeb?
Chrono series is pretty normalfag as fuck and probably second to only final fantasy and pokemon in people's minds when it comes to jrpgs. It's a great game but it's not weeb, I don't know if you consider that good or not.

IMO anyone who automatically dislikes games because they "look weeb" can just fuck off

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>>380535872
>Estelle
>Kloe
>Tita
>Josette
>Schera
>Maybelle and Lila
>Renne

>not cute

Who told you those blatant lies?

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>what are your favorites
Star Ocean 2, Grandia, Grandia II, SMT III: Nocturne, Shadow Hearts, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy Tactics
>what are you playing
Skyrim, No One Can Stop Mr. Domino
>what are you looking forward to
Nothing.

>>380543649
t. weeb

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>>380543649
Nope, Weebshit is awful
There is a difference between Weeb otakubait and japanese

>>380543045
You have heard correctly, IX is a return to the more low-tech fantasy of the Nintendo era as compared to the progressively more modern worlds Square started moving towards from Final Fantasy VI until Final Fantasy VIII. Gameplay-wise it's more or less a successor to Final Fantasy IV, but like all post-V Final Fantasies it could stand to be a harder game. I used to think it was a game best played after having played most of the older games first, but honestly despite it being full of references to previous works you really don't need extensive knowledge of the franchise to enjoy it.

Although you probably would benefit from playing Final Fantasy V before playing IX so you can have some extra context on what the final boss is.

Where should I go after Persona 5? It's the first JRPG I've played in years, but I'm having a blast. I'm actually kinda worried that everything else will pale in comparison, mostly production-wise. Googled a few of the ones listed in the thread and they look so... janky.
I'd prefer something this isn't so standard fantasy affair.

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>>380539656
Cold Steel II is where shit keeps happening.

>>380544046
What do you mean janky?

>>380543649
I think it's fair to have a strong aversion to a particular artstyle or a focus on glamorization of japanese history or something like that, but anyone who uses the term 'weeb' should be ignored.

>>380544046
good thing there are other 4 personas then

>>380544046
I can't think of any other good big budget JRPGS from this console generation.
So get some fuckin' taste

>>380535727

>aged like milk

I wish underage would go and stay go.

>>380543910
Yeah for sure. I'll get to it here soon. 4,5, and 6 are on my to play list first but then 9 is after that. I appreciate the run down though. Although admittedly the main character having a tail is a little off putting

>>380543910
>playing Final Fantasy V before playing IX so you can have some extra context on what the final boss is.
not really

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Pokemon, Souls,
>what are you playing
Currently not a jrpg
>what are you looking forward to
Ys, Nep, BoF IV, FF7, FF13, Grandia II, Symphonia, TitS

>>380527645
I tried this game and started with Lute. I can't really get into it.

Can Fire Emblem be called JRPGs?

In any case here's my entry: Lost Odyssey. A criminally unrecognized true JRPG, made by the godfather of the genre himself.

Which megaten game should I start off with on DS/3DS? Played all of nocturne and persona series

>>380543830
>Star ocean
>legend of dragoon
> digi 3
>legend of mana
MY FUCKING NIGGA

>>380544046
Final Fantasy XV

>>380544062
Rean is such a shitty fucking protagonist, man. Estelle, Kevin, and the SSS were so much better.

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>what are your favorites
Breath of Fire 3, Xenoblade Chronicles, Shadow Hearts Covenant, Odin Sphere, Suikoden 2
>what are you playing
Fire Emblem Echoes
>what are you looking forward to
Xenoblade 2, Ni No Kuni 2, Octopath Traveller, Dragon Quest XI, 13 Sentinels Aegis Rim

>>380543898
>game made in japan for japanese people
>weeb
that word doesen't mean what you think it means, perhaps you are thinking about moe or ecchi character design

I could be playing a JRPG right now but I feel like I can't get immersed if I only have an hour or so to play at a time due to work tomorrow morning. How do you guys manage to find time to play JRPGs?

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Just swinging by to say that Ar tonelico still holds a special place in my heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un5PR4RLq7s

>>380526572
>favorites
Chrono Trigger, FFVI, Phantasy Star IV, Saga Frontier, FFVII
>playing
Nothing at the moment, going to start Persona 5 or FFXV next.
>looking forward to
Xenoblade Chronicles 2, FFVII remake

>>380544446

No matter how much SJfags try to tell you SJ is a good game, it just fucking isn't. Anything else is fair game. If you liked Persona, go for Devil Survivor Overclocked on 3DS. There's also Soul Hackers on 3DS for a more traditional game.

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>>380544635
By being an unemployed garbage fire of a person

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>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Mother 3, Chrono Trigger, FFV, FFVI, FFXV
>what are you playing
Pokemon Moon, XV post game.
>what are you looking forward to
Episode Prompto, M&L SSS remake

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>>380544446
Probably SMT IV or hack your 3ds to get emulators on it and play SMT 1 and 2

>>380544635
Sacrifice sleep. That's about it. I'm in the same boat. Work/school. So just stay up later.

>>380541508
Every Final Fantasy has braindead combat, the only exceptions being X and Tactics.
>inb4 but muh junction system
Draw magic to win.
Play cards then refine items to win.
Level scaling means avoid fighting to win.
>inb4 muh gambits
Watch the game play itself to win.

>>380544635

I juggle 2 kinds of JRPG at the same time: a story-heavy one for when I have a few hours, and a gameplay-heavy one for when I only have a little time. Story heavy games like Trails, Persona, etc. on one hand and gameplay-focused games like Disgaea, DQ, etc. on the other.

>>380544634
Oh so you're just a retarded weaboo with no taste, got it
>>380544803
>Says SJ isn't a good game
>Says to play Devil Survivor
lol

>>380544145
https://youtu.be/LsIKk_bfDsw?t=96
>>380544232
missed point completely
>>380544253
hahahaha

>>380544990

SJ is a shitgame, a boring retread of SMT 1 that comes in strong with a great premise and squanders it completely by doing absolutely fucking nothing with it. Survivor at least is a fresh take on how the series plays, with high replayability. Not to mention having a decent OST compared to the absolute shitfest that was SJ's.

>>380545123
Did you even play SMT 1?
I don't think SJ is as good as people think it is and that Soul Hackers is much better but still, It's by no means a bad game. It's an awesome dungeon crawler

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>>380526572
>what are your favorites
FF7, FF10, Chrono Trigger, Grandia,
>what are you playing
FF9, KH2, Skies of Arcadia, Xenogears, Legend of Dragoon
>>what are you looking forward to
FF7R, KH3, DQ11, Xenoblade 2, Radiant Historia 3DS port

>>380545030
ok but what do you mean by janky

>>380544635
Binge on days off. The 14 hours I would have put in to a game from playing 2 hours every day throughout the week gets packed into the 2 days I have off.

Problem is I used to be able to do that with multiple games when I was unemployed so now I'm being way more picky about what games I play compared to before when I could sit down and play fucking anything.

>>380545251
This, although the other anon is right about the story. SJ is a great dungeon crawler but the story wasn't all that great.

What are some good jrpgs with better combat than xenoblade ? Real time or turn based. Besides smt and Persona, I've played those

No final fantasy either they're all just mash a and use best spell as nauseum.

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I'm playing Growlanser IV: Wayfarer of Time and really enjoying it. Are there other JRPGs that come close to western RPGs in terms of meaningful choices and shit?

>>380545251

Yes, SMT 1 is my favorite Megaten game. SJ just feels incredibly half-baked to me. Every song sounds exactly the same, the demon co-op system makes playing Neutral completely pointless from a gameplay perspective, and it also just feels like they were afraid to make enemies as powerful as the player. In Nocturne, the enemy could fuck you up with the press turn system just as hard as you could do them, but there's nothing like that for the enemy to take advantage of in SJ so when an enemy is "strong" it just has inflated stats and spams 100% rate status ailments. The setting is underutilized as fuck, basically just a graphical thing. The sidequests are boring, they're just kill quests with nothing interesting going on and exploration quests that take you to places you were already going to go anyway. The crafting system adds grind where there doesn't need to be any, while the password system literally makes it to where if you get stuck you can password a full team of powerful, perfect demons and win any fight without even trying. There are a few good aspects: some of the designs are cool, I like the demonica, etc. but the amount of circlejerking this game gets drives me fucking bonkers when it's a strong 6/10 at best.

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>>380529215
>No new Grandia
>No new Suikoden
>No new Chrono
>No new Mother
>No new Mario RPG

And I'm sure of the games Sega wants to bring back, I'm sure Skies of Arcadia isn't on the list. What's even the point anymore?

>>380544834
This

>>380545845
Growlanser doesn't have a lot of meaningful choices, there's an extra story route in a couple games and sometimes your actions affect whether a character dies but it's generally quite straightforward.

>>380535727
>The graphics in JRPGs have always been behind western games

In the good old days Japanese were not at the edge of technology, they were making cheap knockoffs of American designs (like China does now).

One such case is Dragon Quest and subsequently ALL JRPGs. In 1983 Yuji Horii and Koichi Nakamura attended a computer show in San Francisco, where they first play Wizardry. They love it, so when they go back to Japan they buy it and decide to create a game like it.

Now, the way most people tell the story paints them under a positive light. This is absolute bollocks. Basically, they ripped off Wizardry’s system, but they dumbed it down (some people claim this to be a stroke of genius, FFS) and Ultima’s overhead view. They pretty much ripped everything off Wizardry and Ultima III (especially that): combat system, random encounters, maps, you name it. The difference was the graphics style, which was created by Akira-the cliché of Anime crapness-Toriyama. All in all a substandard, cheap, knockoff.

All JRPGs since then cloned a clone. But computer RPGs moved significantly since 1983 (a date the Japanese are still stuck too). Garriott introduced morality and a keyword based conversation system in the next Ultima instalment and removed random encounters. Computer RPGs moved away from the usual dungeon crawl hack’n’slash towards the attempt to allow players to role play. They were given moral choices, freedom to explore and act as they pleased, etc. Combat systems evolved as well, with some games moving towards real time combat. Other games introduced NPCs who were acting independently through the game world (like Wizardry VII).

All these developments were lost to the Japanese, who continue to make Wizardry III and Ultima III clones to this day.

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>>380535030
>mfw I'll never be 16, playing Final Fantasy VII all night for the first time again.

>Ask for favorites
>90% of the posts are from nostalgiafags listing old games that have been clearly surpassed since their original release
The JRPG genre needs to find a way to purge these people once and for all.

>>380546314

t. some stupid faggot that has literally never played any JRPG that wasn't on the NES

380546443
I was close to actually giving the (You) but just couldn't. decent attempt though.

>>380546186
Seems pretty meaningful to me. I just learned that you can let your familiar die then be a dick to new one and because of that later she will sacrifice herself to revive your old familiar.

>>380546443
There's really nothing wrong with that. Nostalgia is a very reasonable reason to like a game best. It's not like people are claiming their favourites are good.

>>380546445
Don't reply to silly copypasta.

>>380539461
I never understood Final Fantasy fans.

Inevitably, there is always a JRPG with funner gameplay on the same console that the new FF title has been released on. Do Final Fantasy fans play other RPGs? What happens when they inevitably play an RPG that has a combat system that is more intuitive and/or more involving leading to being more fun? If you are you a fan because of the stories and the teeny bop stuff I would say read a real novel with substance but its obvious you play the game to simply feel like you have some sort of part/control of the story. Are you a fan because of the art style/graphics/cut scenes? Then you're just a shallow faggot.

>>380544379
Starting with Lute is a surefire way to hate the game. His storyline is the like the most barren one and the one that you can get to the final boss the quickest. Pick someone like Red or Blue instead.

>>380534606
A deep space jrpg that actually takes place in space and isn't "let's travel to medieval planets" bullshit like in Star Ocean.

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>>380547153
Hoshi wo Miru Hito (^:

>>380546824

Hey anon? Just because there are better games doesn't mean that you can't play or (god forbid) enjoy the games that aren't as good. If you drop every game that doesn't blow your dick off in the first 2 minutes, you're not gonna end up playing many games at all.

I think most FF games are pretty fun because they're pretty simple.

>>380546805
I guess, but there's almost always a 'best' answer or 'best' solution, and even though most responses affect the MC's personality the MC's personality rarely matters.

I was fucking traumatized when my familiar died, the fact that I could have saved her if I was more observant made it 100x worse

Anyway it's a good game, I thought the combat system was pretty fun even though I see lots of people complain about it.

>>380547293
>1987
man my lust for sci-fi and jrpgs always leads me to the past

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>>380547153
Hell futuristic RPGs in general that don't mix swords and sorcery.

Only one I can think of is FFXIII and that barely qualifies.

Don't get me wrong I love me some S&S but give me that variety.

>>380545851
Coop is useful but its not the end be all in SJ since later bosses start punishing you for relying too heavily on just one alignment. Neutral kind of bites since there's locked weapons for Law/Chaos but if you do it right then you can equip the weapons and manipulate your alignment to still have access to it as long as you don't unequip said weapon.

>>380544379
Try with any character BUT Lute or Riki. Blue could be a good choice due to having a bit more freedom in going where you want to, and a reason to search for magic, and a much more easily definable objective.
>>380529439
Which ones have you actually played?
> I had to restart it once because I gimped myself by fighting to much, that aspect really is a bad design choice
They aren't built for novices of the genre, it is actually a great mechanic when you keep in mind everything else in the game. It prevents people from grinding, you can have consistently difficult encounters no matter where you wander off to rather than accidentally going to a hard area, somehow pass it, then go to another area and stomp it, and as always due to character growth mechanics the harder the enemies the better the stat gains and chance to learn skills.

I had to restart Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song about three to five times before I got the ball rolling. You have to be willing to restart some of these games

>>380546824
>I never understood Final Fantasy fans
The games are pretty decent and people like them. Fairly easy to understand. The combat is fairly simple but generally has enough depth to range from "grind levels and mash A" to "minmax like an autist and take down some insane endgame bosses". How much people enjoy the story/presentation depends on the person and game. People can like things that you don't.

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Currently playing this.

The interview system is kinda messed up because the game gives you no hints on how to even begin or who to question.

it also changes the interview subject and liar when you reload.

>>380547443
The Xeno series has been pretty good with this but aside from that and FFXIII I can't think of much.

When people say their favourite jrpgs are suikoden II or chrono trigger I just cringe a little inside

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>>380547443

Pic related is cool, it's a full-on space opera. Just watch out because it takes a while to get rolling.

>>380532496
>>380532802
Anyone tried google translate phone camera thing?

>>380537917
Chrono Trigger
Skies of Arcadia
Dragon Quest VIII
EarthBound
Final Fantasy VII

>>380546824
>Are you a fan because of the art style/graphics/cut scenes? Then you're just a shallow faggot.
>stop liking stuff for reasons I don't like
I don't see what's wrong with art direction, story or OST carrying a game.
You could argue "gameplay must be the focus" but if that's not there then there's totally nothing wrong with finding something else to like.
You just sound condescending and elitist by thinking that way.

>>380547437
I posted it as a joke, it is considered to be the worst jrpg and one of the worst videogames ever made. I recommend reading about it, it's legacy and history is pretty cool.

Here are some actual suggestions though.
>Xeno series
>Infinite Space
>Rogue Galaxy
>Phantasy Star series
>Front Mission series

>>380546824
Because there is enough variation in the series from setting to character customization mechanics along with being easier to get into.
>What happens when they inevitably play an RPG that has a combat system that is more intuitive and/or more involving leading to being more fun?
Like what.

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>fav
FF9, FFT, Xenogears
>playing
Just starting DQ6 after taking a break after beating DQ5
>looking forward to
After what we saw of Xenoblade 2 at E3, nothing

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
SMT Strange Journey, Digimon World, Final Fantasy 12, Birth by Sleep and Chrono Trigger
>what are you playing
Nothing, too busy right now
>what are you looking forward to
SMT5

>>380548261
not even dqxi? i'm going with the assumption that you are digging dq games so far

>>380548371
I'm assuming by the time I get through to 9 I'm not gonna want to touch DQ for a while.
I've enjoyed all of them so far though, yeah.

>>380546824
i play alot of different jrpgs and ff is still one of my favourite series desu

>>380544990
a weeb or weaboo is a non-japanese person who worships japan to an extreme point, how can a japanese game made in japan by japanese people for a japanese audience be "weeb"? A weeb game is something like HuniePop, where western artists try to ape more modern anime styles. What you are thinking about is the "moe" artstyle prevalent in modern anime or "ecchi" which is basically softcore porn, however weebs existed long before anime started looking like hyperdimension neptunia, which I also happen to dislike and I can't understand why you took my comment as a defence of that specific game, you are just attributing random terms to things you dislike in a way that has no real meaning

>>380548246
Grandia

Trails

Persona

Hell, even Neptunia has a more engaging combat system

>>380526572
Tried Trails in the Sky after some people recommended it

It's the last time I'll listen to those people, what a fucking terrible game
>Plot constantly repeats the same points
>No subtlety, constantly repeating the same hints, yes game, I got it the first time, and the second time, and the third... JUST. STOP.
>Flat, cliched characters
>Outright bullshit "Estelle you're usually more timid" before charging into some place after she's been nothing but brash all fucking game and did the exact same shit several times already
>Combat is fucking garbage, repetitive mess with overly long animations
>Orbment system is nice in theory, but in practice it just becomes "input latest upgrade" with no actual choice of customization involved
>Quests are just endless running back and forth and backtracking
>Side objectives and collectibles have massive backtracking and items being in completely random locations at random times where you'll miss shit unless you talk to everyone dozens of times at different moments of the story

Fuck this game, fuck the people that recommended it, was a fucking abomination.

>>380548571

Nep and Trails have shit combat, what the fuck are you talking about? Have you played either series? Trails' combat was such a fucking slog until CS, at which point there were so many overpowered crafts that it quickly becomes braindead. Love the series, but gameplay is its worst point by far. And Nep is a fucking joke desu.

>>380548565
Holy fucking shit, You are dense and I'm not going to argue with you.
Neptunia IS a weeb game, Moeshit games ARE weeb games because Weaboo's and Otaku's are the main audience

>>380547849
I've been meaning to play the suikoden games because I keep hearing that it's one of the best games ever. I've been told that it has an engaging well written storyline, well developed characters, and that the gameplay has a lot of depth yet is still fast-paced. Should I adjust my expectations?

>>380548786
Trails has some of the best turn-based combat ever devised. Just because you're an ADHD retard doesn't change that fact.

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Earthbound, Trails FC, Bravely Default, Persona 4, Nep
>what are you playing
Tales of Graces, Symphonia next
>what are you looking forward to
finally getting around to playing FFX and Persona 5

t. casual
I really don't play many turn based JRPGs, I have the same amount of fun if not more with lots of other games so I only occasionally hit up the genre. I want to play SMT4 but I don't really like emulating shit, I only really get motivated to play something if I've purchased it.

>Favorites
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, NieR, Drakengard 1, Trails in the Sky SC, Zwei 2, Ys Origin
>Playing
Ys 8, was playing Legend of Heroes 3: White Witch, thinking of starting Final Fantasy VIII
>Looking Forward To
Switch SMT, Re:Fantasy, Sen no Kiseki 3 (although I still have 4 games to get through before it), Deep Strange Journey

>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Ar tonelico 2, Lunar 2, Skies of Arcadia Legends, Trails in the Sky SC
>what are you playing
Trails to Zero, Langrisser IV, Ar nosurge
>what are you looking forward to
Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Zwei 2, Ys VIII

>>380546824
As someone who has never been able to make himself complete a single FF game I think you're exaggerating a bit. Of the three games I played, IV, VI, and VII, I knew they were pretty overall solid games. Personally I just find them kind of boring overall. I have found that although they all ave interesting details and concepts they lose steam as I continued.
>>380548692
Trailsfags are fucking idiots, sorry you had to waste your time on that garbage. If you have ever actually tried going into a trails thread then you can see exactly what kind of people like those games. Treat them like nepfags and talesfags, ignore them.

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>>380548692
t. i got to the towers and stopped

Maybe Neptunia or Final Fantasy is more your thing?

>>380548987
>I don't really like emulating shit, I only really get motivated to play something if I've purchased it
This, I'd kill for the backwards compatibility XBONE got this E3. If PS4 could play PS2 games then it might actually become a worth while console.

>>380548914
You're a joke, anon.
>Most of the combat is determined by complete RNG
>You can fail, retry, do the exact same thing and succeed
>Enemies will randomly target party members negating much if not all strategic positioning
>You can't move and attack unless you move straight toward the enemy with an attack command
>Status effects are complete RNG
>Animations are overly long and repetitive
>Most of the combat is the same fight dozens of times

What exactly about Trails combat is any good, anon?

>>380549264
>I have no counterargument so I need to make shit up about the person I'm talking to
Why even bother? Who do you think to convince? Yourself? If so that's just... really sad.

>>380548914
Which Trails games have good combat? I've only played TitS FC and while I thought the orbment system and the battle grid were kinda cool, those features seemed rather underutilized in the actual game. Orbment choice was very limited due to the available sepith and there was little need to adjust your setup because spamming the same moves was all that was required to clear the game with ease. I've heard that later games get better, what should I expect?

>>380548914

Calling me ADHD won't change anything, anon. If you're playing from FC to Zero, it's slow, clunky, and barely saved by being customizable. If it's CS and on, it's dumbed down orbments and overpowered crafts. But honestly, with the fact that you said Nep has good combat, I don't know why I ever bothered giving you that first (you).

>>380549445
>I've heard later games were better
They're not. They have even more restrictions and arbitrary grind.

>what are your favorites
Xenoblade Chronicles, Xenogears, Tales of the Abyss, SMT Nocturne (featuring Dante from Devil May Cry)
>what are you playing
SMT Strange Journey
>what are you looking forward to
Radiant Historia

>>380549275
feeling this
as nice as having a mobile/handheld port of dq8 is, the original is by far my favorite version

>>380548880
small japanese companies do not give a shit about their market outside of japan, hdn is certainly targeted at otakus but the fact that weebs in the west, where it is distributed by different companies and not by the one that produced them, like it is incidental, in the 90s weebs were all over berserk but I doubt you'd call berserk a 'weeb' manga, it would be like calling who framed roger rabbit "furry bait" just because degenerate furries fap to roger rabbit.
Even Persona couldn't really be called a weeb game since Atlus and Atlus USA have split into two different companies long ago, so those games aren't made for the western market in mind. For a game to be "weeb" it would need to be produced specifically for the western market, but being based on japanese worship/stereotypes, again like huniepop or hate plus or whatever. Calling me names won't change the fact that you are using the wrong term as a blanket term for "thing I don't like" and then somehow attributing the inclinations of the game itself to its incidental western fanbase, for example there's quite a sizeable fanbase for the lolis in the mega man games but I never heard anyone call mega man a "pedo game"

>>380537917
Probably Chrono Trigger, but a warning: it is one of the best JRPGs if not the best. If you play CT right before playing any other JRPG you will always compare other JRPGs to CT and it will make them look less good by comparison. I would not recommend playing CT first unless you want to just play ONE JRPG in your life and be done with the rest.

>>380549264
>Maybe Neptunia or Final Fantasy is more your thing?
Nep is shit but is saying someone may like FF more suppose to be an insult? Someone liking FF more then trails just means they have a brain.
>>380549327
He's just upset that you insulted his waifu's shitty game, ignore him.

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Should I buy BOF3 or 4 first?

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>>380549736
>Someone liking FF more then trails just means they have a brain.
This is what retards actually believe

>>380549648
This post is such utter shit. Chrono Trigger is a fine game, but it's not nearly as amazing as you braindead nostalgiafags pretend it is.

Reminder that this is a JRPG thread, not a shitposting thread. If you dislike a game please explain WHY.

>>380549917
it's has to bait i refuse to believe it's not

What happened to this thread, jesus christ

>>380549867
>Still not a single argument in support of Trails, just childish shitposting
So basically Trailsfags are the weeb version of Witcherfags then?

>>380549768
>buying roms

>>380545778
Xenogears

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>>380549768
Depends, what do like in your jrpgs? I find BoFIV to be one of the greatest jrpgs ever made, it may be my personal favorite game ever made in all honesty, but more seem to like BoFIII. Both are excellent games though worth your time.

>>380549768

The only thing that matters is that you play both.

any good JRPGs on sale on Steam or PSN right now?

>>380549980
I like these threads because they usually have actual discussion rather than shitposting/arguments like most of /v/. But of course people are now ruining it with their pointless arguing.

hi lets get this thread back on track
>what are your favorites
can't say for sure. let me play some more jrpgs
>what are you playing
contact and my world my way
>what are you looking forward to
dragon quest 11, etrian odyssey 5, strange journey redux

>>380549867
Wow, you actually think trails is better then FF and posted a pepe image. Whenever I think you couldn't be more retarded you prove me wrong.

>>380550162
Don't do that to him anon, I love Xenogears but I wouldn't recommend it for the gameplay.

>what are your favorites
Chrono Trigger, all Dragon Quest, Tales of Destiny/Vesperia/Abyss/Symphonia in that order, the first Golden Sun, and Grandia 1 and 2.
>what are you playing
4th playthrough of Tales of Symphonia, Persona 5, and Star Ocean 5 but I've dropped it and picked it up again about 4 times now.
>what are you looking forward to
Project Octopath, Xenoblade chronicles 2, DQ XI, Ni No Kuni 2, Tokyo Xandu, and Cold Steel 3.

>>380549445
Not him or that other guy but you only really play the Sky games if you're willing to wait it out for the story.

Crossbell and CS have additions that make the quartz systems less clunky, particularly the last one where you're practically free to do whatever you want with it.

FC honestly isn't a very good game and you only really play it because you want to know the story before getting into SC.

>>380550309
Me too. I don't mind a good argument but people are just throwing around insults today rather than arguing their points.

Want to talk about something?

>>380550197
Honestly music is a big factor for me, shit like Golden Sun will always be memorable for the soundtrack, but also having an interesting narrative (not just Trails style animu tropes) and clear goals for the characters all helps,

I have a mixed opinion on gameplay itself, I've played enough shitty RPGmaker games to not be too bothered if it's mediocre, as long as it doesn't drag on forever (Again, Trails) but I prefer to have a system where your decisions and choices matter more than RNG and grinding (the latter two being more suitable as tools for the inept than the prime mechanic for the gameplay)

>>380550461
Do they ever add terrain/obstacles in the battlefields so you actually have to move around rather than standing at the start to nuke the enemy?
In later games do you normally stick with the same orbment setup for the whole game or do you adjust your setup for each boss fight?

>>380550647
I think you're underselling Trails a bit but I can understand why you wouldn't like it because I didn't like FC initially and it wasn't until when I decided to sit down and get to the industrial town that I started liking it.

>>380550461

I genuinely enjoyed FC more than SC. The store was way more down to earth, rather than the team rocket plot of the week shit SC did for its first half.

>>380526572
Rebought Chrono Trigger for my Super Nintendo, and replaying it for the first time in probably 8 years.

I'm at the very end. I forgot about a lot of those side quests, and I missed Marle's ultimate weapon. Oh well. This game is really easy too, I remember struggling back in the day, but I don't know why.

>>380550647
Just curious, are you referring to some specific games when you complain about RNG?

>>380550330
Just list the ones you enjoy the most from the ones you have played. Hell I wouldn't mind if my top nine gets shifted a bit if I find a game good enough for it. Sometimes I find certain games weaker than my other top picks.

>>380550859
They start mixing it up a bit in the later games since bosses start having more tricks up their than just being boring hp sponges. For example one of the bosses in the later games has the ability to teleport your team around the map and spawn mooks on top of them.

Later games also introduce a master quartz system which gives characters special bonuses so for example if you give a character say the force quartz, that character would be more inclined to use crafts and build themselves around that than say someone who took one that buffed their water spells.

>>380550913
I've just finished the whole game today anon, it's utter garbage with the writing just being a long list of tropes and cliches, it dragged things out far too long

>Wait, Kloe is the princess!? WHO KNEW?
>Oh by the way the two main characters have feelings for each other!
>Hey did we hint at Joshua's secret past yet? Yea? Well let's do it again anyway!
>This totally not-the-prince-of-the-empire is such a goofy guy isn't he? And the characters are just totally annoyed by him, lets do this shit at least five more times! xD
>Woah this guy is making a reasonable point not to involve an untrained civilian in a dangerous situation, but obviously the retarded MC is going to argue muh fee-fees and she's coming along anyway because duh, she's a party member
>Let's not forget to do THAT again as well in the next chapter

Still mad, but mostly at myself for telling myself to stick with it until the end.

The writing or characters didn't get better, they stayed the same one-dimensional cliches, the combat didn't open up or get more interesting, it stayed "stand back and spam aoe arts until the enemy is dead, use SP in case of emergency"

>>380551324
hmm i guess so far dragon quest 7, yokai watch, smt 3 and smt 4
i apologize for being such a casual

>>380551096
My biggest problem with FC is that a lot of it feels like filler to pad out the game. Especially Kloe's chapter. Like it makes for good backstory or an anime but not for particularly interesting game especially one that's as slow as FC.

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>>380550647
I think you may like BoFIII more, though as I said both should be played. BoFIII is a bit more "standard", and I don't mean that in a bad way at all. BoFIII has a more simple plot and a slower pace. Personally I kind of find the pacing to be too slow but even then it is still a solid game. The battle system is pretty simple but works well enough. It is a overall pretty easy game so you should be fine.

BoFIV is much more unique. It has a large influence from Chinese, Korean, and Japanese culture which plays a big part overall in the setting and story. It moves at a better pace and things are constantly happening. I find the battle system to be one of the greatest I have ever seen. How it works is you have a front and back row of characters, three i each. You can swap who is in each row during anyone's turn meaning in battle everyone will see use. Not only this but characters can combo their magic and special moves. For example, if you have someone use a fire spell and then follow with a wind spell the wind spell will become a more powerful spell. Sadly it is pretty easy syill but still a lot of fun.

Overall BoFIII is better if you want something a bit more traditional and simple and BoFIV if you want something more grand and unique.

>>380550330
>can't say for sure. let me play some more jrpgs
>contact and my world my way
Seems like you haven't played many JRPGs, why did you pick those games in particular?

>>380551638
There are so many games, so many genres, and JRPG's tend to be long so it is understandable when people haven't got that many games under their belt, especially if they just get into a genre.

>>380551164
No, I dislike the over-reliance JRPGs tend to have on the concept in general. It's fine as long as you have tools to manage and control it, or if it's merely a limiting factor you have to work around.

For example the way components and traits work in Atelier Firis, both are random aspects of materials you find but by cleverly combining things and using x for y and y for z and so on, or simply investing more of your days into collecting (hopefully) better materials is a trade-off and something you can work with.

>>380551623
Sounds like you're just mad that the characters actually interact and have personalities

>>380551735
back when i was younger, i recall my little sister having a copy of my world my way but i forgot about it shortly

later i then visited those "must have jrpgs for the ds" and saw both on there. ask my sister for her copy and found contact at my local game store for a ridiculously cheap price

>>380552263
>"must have jrpgs for the ds"
Literally things that don't exist. Closest thing to it is probably the FFIV remake

>>380552154
>Complain that the characters have flat, one dimensional personalities
>"Y-you're just mad the characters have personalities!!"
Anon... come on man this is just a tragedy at this point, utterly pathetic.

Isaac in Golden Sun has more of a personality than most characters in FC, they don't have personalities, they have stereotypes.

Question for the thread.

Among the big names in jrpgs, only series that I haven't even touched, ever in my life is Dragon Quest.
In this lord's year of 2017, what's a good one to pop in a machine and broaden my horizons with.

>>380552318
SaGa 2 and 3 remakes. Though they only have fan translations.

I wish I was better at the SaGa series.

I've put about 100 hours into Romancing SaGa 2 across 3 different save files, and it still kicks my ass every time I open it.

>>380552318

Anon, that's some silly shit you just posted. The DS has at least 20 JRPGs worth playing.

>>380552318
DS has plenty actually, TWEWY in particular stands out.

>>380552376
1

>>380552425
The games come in different sort of difficulties. The first two on the Gameboy, Final Fantasy Legend I and II, are much more manageable and are short. SaGa Frontier has an easier battle rank curve than some of the other ones that do have battle rank.

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The last JRPG I truly enjoyed was Magna Carta 2, and that's not even a JRPG but a KRPG.

Wish it would get ported to PC along with Tenchu Z so I could get rid of this xbox 360. Honestly, JRPGs have become so fucking shit recently. If FFVII remake turns out to be a disappointment, I'm officially done with JRPGs for good.

>>380552376

DQ1 is simple, short, and fun. Play the GBC version (1+2). If you have no intention of playing the whole series, 5 is objectively the best one. People might respond to this post arguing with me on that, but it's true. 5 is the best DQ game. 4 comes close, though. Also, play the PS2 version.

>>380552318
>"I didn't play The World Ends With You": the post

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>>380552376
Play DQIII or DQV. While neither is my overall favorite,that would be VII, those two embody the jrpg genre more then any other game. Both are excellent games. For DQIII play the fan translated version of the snes remake. For DQV either go snes or ps2, both have fan translations. Avoid DQV on the ds, the translation is terrible.

>>380526572
Debating if I should go ahead and emulate XC on Dolphin. How good is it really?

>>380552338
>Isaac has more of a personality
Not him but as a die hard GS fan, you're pushing it if you think that he has more of a personality than anyone in FC. He doesn't talk for the entirety of the first game and probably has like four or five paragraphs worth of lines in 2 and DD combined.

The only character that Isaac is better than is Zin/Zane because he has nothing to him besides being that older guy who knows your dad until the sequel.

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>>380537917

I'm looking for JRPGs with God-tier stories.

Currently playing Earthbound and the sense of scale and the wittiness throughout is really appealing to me. What, in your opinion, is the most "epic" JRPG?

In the sense of truly massive scale, high stakes, deep emotional impact, great writing, etc.

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Currenly playing Xenoblade Chronicles boys, I haven't reach colony 6 yet but that fight with the giant spider was brutal af I really tough Shulk friend was gonna die, pretty good so far

>>380552871
As good as you want it to be.

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Any good games with low random encounter rate and fast combat?

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>>380552996
For story I recommend Dragon Quest V, Breath of Fire IV, and Mother 3 (sequel to Earthbound in case you didn't know).

>>380553382
It makes me sad that I'll never play the Mother series for the first time again

>>380552263
There is no reliable list of good DS games (especially not the one recommendation image /v/ made a decade ago). Neither of those games would be there if there was.
I'd be up for making a better recommendation list. However it would be important to keep bad games off the list. Here's some games to consider:

Games that are great but better on 3ds:
- SMT Devil Survivor games
- Etrian Odyssey
- SMT SJ (presumably)
- Radiant Historia (presumably)

Great DS games
- SaGa remakes
- TWEWY

Good DS games
- Fire Emblem 12
- Valkyrie Profile CotP
- Pokemon
- Front Mission (port)

Haven't played but heard good things
- Dark spire / knights in knightmare
- atelier annie
- infinite space

Anyone has any recommendations for dungeon crawler-style JRPGs on Steam? I own Disgaea, but that's more of an sRPG and I wanted a more traditional turn-based combat system.

>>380552897
I mentioned Isaac specifically because of what happens with him during the story, despite the presentation thereof being sparse.

Isaac as a character grows and develops even in those few moments, and he reacts to the world and character interactions around him, rather than just repeating the same stereotypical actions in every context.

Meanwhile, everything Estelle does is utterly predictable, before even closing the dialogue box I know exactly how she's going to respond to it, and this goes for pretty much every character in FC, their interactions are stiff, wooden and stereotypical, and the characters choices and actions don't change or are even remotely affected by the circumstance they're in.

Agate gets hurt covering for someone else's mistake, but no, let's not admonish this person and correct her (very, painfully clearly wrong) behavior, "we have to be nice and forgiving :^)"

"Oh, this person who is unqualified and really isn't someone we can afford to endanger wants to come along with us? Any sensible individual would know to refuse, but we'll accept because she cares so much about the situation and this means she has plot armor so it's fine :^)"

Dumb shit like that, these are not characters, they do not interact with their circumstances, they just act out their stereotype. Garbage writing.

>>380553740

Stranger of Sword City.

>>380553641
FE11 is very underrated when its fundamentally the same game as 12 gameplay wise.

>>380552996
There are no JRPGs with god tier stories.

There are some JRPGs with decent stories but none of those are "epic".
Some JRPG stories I enjoyed include Tactics Ogre LUCT and Front Mission 2.

>>380526572
Just finished FF2, the GBA version. Now i know why people say it fucking sucks.

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>>380553509
I know that feeling all to well. I'm happy that the series had a proper conclusion and would never want another official game but I still wish Itoi would maybe make another game. He's quite older now, he is 68 now, but I still can dream of another game by him.

>>380553641
hot damn. thank you anon
i kinda didn't connect the dots about how outdated these lists are. other anons, you agree with this list or?

>>380553934
I dislike the changes both FE11 and FE12 made to the battle systems of their respective games (and I hate FE12's new story stuff). However FE3 book 2 had quite good level design and FE12's added difficulty modes are quite fun, whereas FE11 is trivialized by forged weapons and warp staves even on the 'hard' difficulty settings.

>>380554014
So what was bad about it?

>>380554014
Keep in mind that was the best version of it too, the NES one is so much worse

>>380554137
Might add Partners in time to the list (The original I believe was on GBA) Not as good as the original but still solid.

>>380553208
Tales of games since you can see monsters on the map during exploration.
Also any FF past XIII.

Can I get the artist, nothing works.

>>380545928
They said if they make skies sequel now they will let people down because they may not make it as good as it must be.

>>380554490
You can also see enemies on the map in the 3ds version of DQ8

>>380553872
Thank you for the suggestion Anon, I will look into it

>>380526572
Favorites: Kingdom Hearts 2 FM, Persona 3 FES, Tales of the Abyss, Etrian Odyssey III
Playing: Final Fantasy IV
Looking forward to: Pretty much all of them, Xenoblade looks great and Ni No Kuni 2 looks way better than the original. Etrian Odyssey V will be my GOTY probably

How are you enjoying Abyss OP?

>>380552996

Romancing SaGa 2. A tale of literally epic proportions, about the founding of a kingdom and a line of emperors in their thousand-year battle to defeat those who would threaten them.

>>380546443
Yeah because we all know how great the last gen was for jrpgs and there are lots of really great ones in current.

>>380554396

Bowser's Inside Story is way better IMO, but I did still enjoy PiT.

>>380551996
I can agree with that, for example it's no fun when a boss has an instant-win button and you have to pray that they don't press it.

One of my favourite series is the Fire Emblem series and it often gets criticized for being RNG-dependent but actually most of the fun comes from thinking up RNG-proof tactics that utilize the game mechanics to the fullest, and while some people savescum in Fire Emblem it's normal for others to play through an entire game without resetting. So don't get scared away from those games because of RNG complaints.

I think RNG is fine in some cases, for example in SaGa the skill sparking is sometimes RNG dependent but that's part of the fun, SaGa is a different adventure every time you play it and so you'll be planning out different tactics depending on what characters and abilities and quests you happen to come across.

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>>380554490
With this guy, anyone have a source for >>380553208

Please tell me it is just cute vanilla and not some weird fetish shit.

>>380553808
>Isaac as a character grows
He doesn't. He's the same level headed, well meaning guy who his friends respect and can count on from start to finish.

Sure he was going on a quest to save the world using only the fractured information that the Wise One gave him early on to stop the lighting of the lighthouse but as soon as Felix tells him that they need to light the lighthouses to save the world then he and his friends go why didn't you tell us sooner. They don't even show any sense of doubt like say that Felix might be bullshitting them or anything.

Felix and Jenna are the ones who grew as characters across the two games. Piers had a little growth to some extent and the others especially Ivan don't really change.

>>380554194
>you're not really given any direction of where to go at times
>the 4th party member always joins extremely underpowered, the final one joined with ~1000 HP and 5MP when my highest MP character had 260MP and my highest HP character had 8200
>messed up stat system means you grind by beating up your own party
>fucking SPELL GRINDING, I only got Cure maxed out, everything else was level 4-8 even with a ton of grinding
>random spikes in the amount of damage enemies dish out, one dealing FIVE THOUSAND DAMAGE in an area where everything else was hitting for 300 or so HP
>encounters out the ass
>had to save after every encounter before moving on at times, otherwise i'd chance entering a 5+ minute fight against 8 Imps that spam Confuse XVI on my entire team
>the final stretch is one of the most greuling and tedious areas in any game i've ever played, i spent four fucking hours here and had to spam Osmose on everything to have enough MP to survive
>Ultima needs to be grinded up for like 5 hours to be halfway decent, followed by all your other spells
>running from fights straight up never worked, even when against the 6HP enemies at the beginning of the game

I can appreciate how they tried new things going from 1 to 2, but much of it just didn't work out. I maintain that it is impossible to get any spell not named Cure up to level 16 without grinding for like 20 hours each spell. It just left me wishing i was playing 4 or 6.

>>380554178
You can trivialize FE12 with well placed forges as well. A forged Dragonpike/Wyrmslayer will make mincemeat of the most dangerous enemy type in the game and unlike 11, the game gives you 8 free chapters to grind up exp on Chris/Kris and their loser friends.

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>>380536794

Yeah. Play 1-3.

The transition from 1 to 2 is especially jarring in terms of quality. Very nice continuous storyline that is based around world-building, politics, item-collecting, etc. Has a fun battle system too that can become kinda brainless late game except for bosses but most JRPG's are like that.

>>380555030
Oh and one fun bit was, early on i found the Chocobo Forest, and got lost and accidentally went to Mysidia before even the Icy Cave. I was trapped there for like 5 hours until i grinded on the nearly impossible encounters long enough to afford good enough gear to get back to where i was supposed to be

>>380554396
Partners in Time is one of the absolute worst JRPGs I've (>>380553641) ever played, I hated it so much that I sold it to gamestop. The gameplay was such a tedious chore, the story and characters were simply annoying, the puzzles and whatnot were simply uninspired, the music was even quite disappointing despite the notable composer. There wasn't even any interesting optional content, the whole game was horrible. Thankfully it was mercifully short at <15 hours but then again the fact that that is a good thing does not reflect well on the rest of the game.

>>380554742
There are though? The DS, 3DS, and PS3 have some top jrpgs of all time. Plus Xenoblade on the Wii

Asked some time ago but thread died.
How's Baten Kaitos overlall? Am not really feeling the battle system and thinking if it's worth playing for story and overall atmosphere.

>>380551623
I never understood why trails got such attention and praise. They are rreally very mediocre and have text more than old fallouts and planescape combine but most of it is water.

>>380554490
I meant fast turn based combat. Games where you don't have to wait for 10 seconds for a spell to cast. Something like Nocturne and DDS.
[Ikuhana Niro] Point of View

How is FF5? I grabbed the GBA version

>>380555030
Its a little late because you already finished the game but FFII's enemies have an inbuilt enemy rank system that makes it harder for you to get stats off of them if you're too high relatively. If you just play the game like a normal rpg, you'll find that your characters grow at a consistent rate and you're never pushed into grinding.

One other thing that a lot of people miss out on is the fact that shields make a larger difference for durability than grinding HP. A lot of enemies have ailment on hit or hp scaling attacks so the best defense is simply not getting hit.

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>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Xenoblade series, Mother series, Pokémon
>what are you playing
Trying Golden Sun out but I'm not really feeling it, I don't know, it hasn't gripped me yet. I'm still really early in though
>what are you looking forward to
Cautiously optimistic about Xenoblade 2. I love the soundtrack but I'm not so sure I care about the premise, the characters and the changes to the combat system. I was thinking of playing Xenogears. What's the best Playstation emulator out there?

>>380555030
The game is great, but only if you like grinding. That's really all it's good for. One of the best games for mindless grinding, but everything else about it is total dog shit.

>>380555472
Also FFX fits.

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>>380555472
Not him but you are a god. Please just let it be cute vanilla now.

>>380554973
Isaac had plenty of reason to hand the reigns to Felix though, he trusts Kraden and is presented with plenty of proof throughout his travels that things are not as he initially suspected, the fact that he's willing to change his course shows that he's grown in his travels and heeded the things he experienced.

It's also in a lot of small interactions, much of Isaac's character needs to be inferred from interactions the rest of the cast have with him, and while the characters don't greatly change, their behavior is affected by the situation they're involved in, they don't just do the exact same thing regardless of circumstance.

In many moments throughout the game the cast will reference things that have happened to them, people they spoke to and lessons they've learned, in Trails it's never more than "oh I know him" or "oh I remember you" with it even being a running gag that Estelle is a klutz so she forgets "tehe :^)"

Ivan does get the shit end of the stick, and I doubt you'll find many people who don't consider him the worst party member in Golden Sun.

>>380555501
So what the fuck was up with the enemies doing retarded amounts of damage? Stuff like the Death Knights in Pandaemonium would hit Guy for 5500 damage where nothing else in the entire game would hit for anywhere near as much, save the final boss. Even the final boss's spells did basically nothing, but his physical attack hit for 6000+. I never used shields because I could just dual wield instead

Also, what about the running? Is it supposed to just not work?

>>380555472
Bravely Default has a literal fast forward button and I spent that whole game with battle animations at like 4x speed and it was 10/10. Polarizing narrative but pretty god tier in my opinion

>>380555030
I don't think the game was designed for you to max out your spell, none-the-less all the spells you give to your caster. That is like aiming for level 99. You could get by with a lot less.

Though it seems like it was mostly on you for the grinding aspect.

>>380555634
It's netorare, scat and kissing.

>>380555145
You'll definitely want a forged bow early on and a dragon slaying weapon later in FE12, yes, but those are just a couple of many tools you need to rely on to get through the game. Even with dragon slaying weapons, enemies in FE12 are threatening enough that you need to put a lot more thought into how you approach them. Whereas in FE11 Caeda can basically solo the game with her wing spear alone.
The prologue sucks but it doesn't make FE12 easy at all.

Just finishing my playthrough of Tales of Berseria. Did a little odd things in it, but they've turned out better than I expected.

>>380555897
I also made things harder on myself because i never found the Blood Sword or Masamune. As for spell grinding, i felt like i had to do it to make Ultima worth anything, it was basically all i used with Maria in the final dungeon. Even at level 10, it basically never even broke 1000 against the final boss, and he would just heal up off his physicals. That fight went on for like 30 minutes.

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>>380555923
Thanks for saving me the disappointment at least. Shame, that art is great.

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>>380555790
>mfw leaving obelisk dragon battle on ff auto play and going to shower

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>>380543830
Best taste in the thread.

>>380556217
I loved Berseria, I was not expecting such a rebound after Zestiria. Honestly my favorite cast in a jrpg in years, they all had such great chemistry and weren't ever retardedly stupid

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I liked it very much but mostly due to the characters and music.

>>380555790
My main gripe with BD was that I figured out much of the main plot after the first crystal (due to Airy being too much of an obvious archetype) and after breaking the first crystal you can (and I had no reason not to, vamp had even confirmed everything I had already figured out) it turns out that's the bad ending and you're just supposed to hang back and go along with it (breaking the crystal as soon as I did also had the characters make references to events that hadn't even happened, which was confusing)

>>380556432
To be honest parts of it grew on me. I really disliked Rokurou in the beginning but once we got more characters he got better. Especially after Eizen joined. Though I geared both of them like fucking retards.

>>380526572
Jrpgs are a waste

80% grind 10% gay story 10% rest

>>380555763
Nah mate, Isaac's character is pretty easy to get that he's the gel that holds the generally an idiot Garet, the wimpy nerd Ivan and the nice girl Mia together and balances them out. He's also pretty level headed.

However, while Isaac did have logical reasons to follow up Felix in the end, the talk in Contigo was very rushed and Isaac's team just swallowed everything Felix said without even a peep besides why didn't you tell us sooner. I didn't expect them to get into a brawl over it but it was really underwhelming after all of the hype that GS2 had all game long about what would happen when the two casts meet. Granted its as you said that the situation didn't really call for it since they just found out that the world was going to freeze over.

In FC's defense, however its basically only half of the story and characters who didn't have much going for them besides being one note like Estelle start doing more with themselves in the sequel. Except for Tita who unfortunately is the Ivan of the Trails cast.

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Anybody doing FJF this year? It starts in a few days.

>>380553382
>google Dragon Quest V
>"Dragon Quest V takes place over roughly thirty years of the main character's life, from when he is born through to when he gets married and has a family."

damn you weren't lying

>>380555778
Dual wielding is stronger in the beginning but after a while with proper buffs its more of a handicap than anything because you'll hit for 9999 anyway and all you're doing is crippling your evasion stat which doesn't help when literally every single zombie or annoying endgame boss has ailment on hit or my physical attacks scale with his max hp.

>>380556564
I didn't figure it out until like the 2nd or 3rd cycle, but it blew my mind. I loved how much they hinted at it, so the whole game really felt like some meta puzzle the player was supposed to solve without ever telling you there was a puzzle. Just realizing something is fishy and it has to do with Airy, and Ringabell I guess. When you load up that title screen and Flying Fairy fades out the F's to lying airy I lost it, that's just too cool.

Plus having your face show up behind the final boss was awesome


I get why it's polarizing but it just hit all the right notes for me

>>380556224
Blood Sword is actually really easy to get if you talk to everyone in the home base/town. Ultima also scales with basically every single skill you have so its unfortunately a worthless spell in 2 since IIRC it doesn't even hit that hard even if you do grind for it.

>>380556757
>i dont like the thing you guys are talking about please pay attention to me!
Here you go pal here's one for ya.

>>380556514
This goes there
>>380556217

>>380557135
I didn't find out about the Blood Sword until i was already in the final dungeon, by which point it was too late, as i'd spend like 3 hours getting back to where i was

>>380556661
Eizen is such a bro, dude could have been his own protagonist. Great balance between serious, melodramatic Pirates code "muh curse" stuff with lighthearted moments of him being a history autists and writing letters to his sister. Was really fun to play too. Probably my favorite character this year

>>380556976
You're right there, the presentation and meta narrative of BD are really well done, it's just that I personally recognized Airy for what she was almost immediately (she was too pushy while never actually helping, and her origin was too enigmatic for her not to have been a tool of the bad guy)

Title card was some cool shit though, just sad that there wasn't more for those that did figure it out early and in fact it kind of broke the game.

Speaking of which, I ended up in a hilarious situation where I'd beaten the secret boss before the final boss and my broken strategy meant that I had one character with dual shields and something like 13k+ health, so when the final boss used it's guaranteed party wipe where only the main character lives on 1 health, my tank was still standing and the rest of my party auto-revived, which made the whole narrative they were presenting feel rather pointless.

>>380556886
It's a great game, highly recommend playing it. You even get to have your wife and two kids as party members at one point. I wish more rpgs had family members as party members.

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>>380526572
>what are your favorites
Xenoblade Chronicles, FFVI, Trails in the Sky
>what are you playing
FFX HD is X-2 as bad as it's made out to be?
>what are you looking forward to
Chronicles 2, Persona 5 for the PC, and finding a WORKING fucking rom of Skies of Arcadia, someone help a bro out, a torrent, a download, anything!!

>>380557702

Skies of Arcadia is a dreamcast game, so you're looking for an ISO, not a ROM.

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>>380526572

Suikoden II, FFIX, Breath of Fire IV

Top tier furries.

>>380557547
Yeah that would definitely break the game, that's unfortunate to hear man. I haven't played the sequel yet but I hear it's not nearly as good as the original either.

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Playing Wild Arms for the first time, starting with Advanced 3rd. Vaginia is a cute.

>>380526572
>Favorites
Golden Sun, Trails, SaGa, Langrisser, SRW, FE
>What are you playing
Trails SC, working on a Golden Sun 2 hack
>What are you looking forward to
Getting my copy of Persona 5, Etrian Odyssey V, Xenoblade Chronicles 2

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>>380543830
>Star Ocean 2, Grandia, Grandia II, SMT III: Nocturne, Shadow Hearts, Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Got some god-tie
>Final Fantasy VIII
You still get a pass for Grandia. How's Grandia II, is the romance as cute as Justin and Feena's? Will it scratch my classic JRPG itch?

>>380557838
I just got the fuck up, cut me some slack, I deal with acronyms all day. Either way all of them wind up being corrupted after I extract them unless the program is lying it's ass off to me.

>>380558383
>is the romance as cute as Justin and Feena's?
No it's shit.

>Will it scratch my classic JRPG itch?
Yes.

>>380556824

What's this?

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>when you get a great item as a random drop without farming

Economizer is fucking OP in FF6

>>380558710

A something awful thing.

>>380558535

Ultimately, Dreamcast emulation is still pretty shit. I'd recommend emulating the GCN port instead via Dolphin.

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Damn, ever since I wrote >>380557683 I've been thinking about it and really want a jrpg where I can be a dad and maybe even adventure with my family. Are there any jrpgs where you play as a father?

>>380558710
It's basically a challenge run where you randomly get 4 jobs and aren't allowed to use any others. Standard rules are one job from each crystal, but there are a bunch of other rule options too.

>>380559123
Play Tales of Xillia 2

>>380559278
Why would you do it to him anon?

What's the best way to play Xenogears? Never played it, think i'm going to emulate it.

should i buy ffvi on steam? or should i just get one using emus?

>>380559278
Tell me where Bandai Namco touched you.

>>380559337
It'll give him the feelings he's looking for

>>380559490
My heart

>>380559451
Get one with one of the emus, the one for Steam is garbage. Get the GBA rerelease one for bonus content, and if it's your thing there's a patch out there for fixing the color (it was kind of messed up for the GBA) and possibly the music, but it's been years since I did it.