>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow free modding and game

>>380430757
>Sony: "lets have games"
>Microsoft: "no"

>>380430757
Microsoft: "Hey, let's charge for P2P connections"

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I am convinced that Sony and their fanboys is a social experiment to show the worst of mankind

>>380430757
History is decided by the victor.

>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
Have you seen the state Xbone is in?

>>380430757
>What is their fucking problem?
Not having an operating system of their own? You're not really trying here champ.

>>380430757
>>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
That would actually hurt them.

If not for the few exclusive sony titles i'd not even buy a ps4.

>>380431973
Not to mention Xbox games on PC won't hurt Microsoft because they are a software company who makes money off every computer sold with Windows on it

>>380430757
Greedy Nintendo and Microsoft just want PS4 power machines to host games for their users.

>>380431927
2 different people making a post during 2 different moments.

Your picture is retarded

>>380430757
they understand not mixing with plebs will allow them to increase the value of their system and defend the interest of those who support them

Race mixing is bad. Sony understands this. Take your diversity elsewhere.

>>380430757
why does microsoft have to beg sony for permission to do something
why is microsoft such a bitch

>>380430757
>Microsoft: Hey let's cuck Sony by doing cross-platform since we own both Xbox and PC
>Sony: tfw already cucked Microsoft because of the Xbox blu-ray player
Sony is fucking based and all of you are retarded

>>380431884
Sony : ''Hey, lets charge for servers that aren't even run by us.''

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>>380432153
>Sony understands this

>>380430757
Microsoft is losing hard and has to rely on these desperate measures to survive in the market. Sony is king and doesn't need these cheap tactics.

>>380431973
have you seen the state PC is in? Microsoft is smarter than Sony.

Microsoft's cross play is fucking dumb as it doesn't work with Steam, only W10 store

>>380432319
>there are 12-years olds on /v/ who write shit like this but unironically
it kind of hurts

>>380430757
>PC Gamers in Japan: "Can't wait for that Monster Hunter World"
>Sony: "no"

>>380430757
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow free modding and game tweaking on consoles"
>Sony: "no"
Microsoft has no choice. They're already in an awful position. Sony doesn't need to allow modding.

>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
>Sony: "no"
Microsoft gets the majority of money either way via Windows 10. Sony would lose console sales and gain less money. I agree with their stance on this.

>Microsoft: "Hey, let's have cross-platform play, all gamers should be able to enjoy games together"
>Sony: "no"
Microsoft never cared for cross console multiplayer last generation. They only care because they've lost. Nintendo has to do it otherwise they'd have small multiplayer communities.

I don't agree with Sony on the other two points, but I get where they are coming from. Remember, MS are the bad guys in the industry. Sony and Nintendo are alright.

>>380432319
Good goy

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>Microsoft: "Hey, let's have zero exclusives and hope that people still buy our console anyway!"
>Consumers: "No."

Exclusives sell units. Why would Sony give up their exclusives?

>>380432479
you could simply look at the sales
PS4 is at 60 million
Xbone is at 20 million
Switch is at 3 million
Sony doesnt need cross platform

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>>380432289
pottery

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>>380431807
FPBP

>Somebody doesn't own a PS4 or XB1
>"I really like Halo, but my friends have a PS4!"
>If cross console multiplayer exists, they can buy an XB1 and play with their PS4 owning friends
>Sony doesn't get money out of this
>"Oh, there's no cross console multiplayer? Oh well, I'll get a PS4 instead!"
>Sony gets console and game sales

Not that hard to understand. Sony benefit from this, only companies like MS.

>>380432618
>Exclusives sell units.

Data on exclusive games' sales don't back this up. One or two sell well (Uncharted).
It's all marketing and brand image, that's what sells the platform.

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>>380430757
>let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
>Sony: "no"

Hurts dosen't it?

>>380432289
>sales don't matter

They were right, look where the Wii is now while the PS3 is still getting 90+ metacritic games

>>380430757
>Microsoft are suddenly the good guys
Hey i like to shit talk on microsoft as much as the next dude but after the cancer that Bethesda and Sony are trying to bring together i am considering to buy an xbox just as a big fuck you to the slantyeyed jews and their bethesda friends.

Fuck Bethesda and Fuck Sony.

>>380430757
If Sony were to release their exclusive titles on PC, it wouldn't hurt their console market share (console buys and PC gamers are typically very different consumers).
Instead it would increase game sales by 25-50% (depending on popularity), which translates to a nice big increase in revenue.

Microsoft has understood this, Sony hasn't.

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>>380430757
>it won't hurt us"

But it's actually hurting them kek

>>380432851
Exclusives sell a system in the long run as the pile up.
That's why the PS3 caught up with the 360 despite being 30 million units behind from the 360's early lead.

>>380432618
>Exclusives sell units.

And yet there isn't a single exclusive in the top 30 selling games on PS4

>>380430757
Companies on modding
>hey can can you let us make mods available on your console for our game
Microsoft: sure
Sony: no, why? because it might lead to a backdoor for hackers
Nintendo: can we force amiibos on it? no? then fuck off

>>380432851
Uncharted sold well mostly becaus it was THE bundled game from around September and onward through the holiday season. It didn't sell okay on its own but sure as hell not half of its total sales.

It's an issue of quality and platform purity

Nintendo and MS are Sony's lessers, and Sony realizes that to associate with those under them, would reflect poorly on themselves and lead to problems, so they choose to remain separate.

There is a wide gulf of class in between Sony and everyone else. It would behoove MS and Nintendo users to remember that.

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>>380430757
>Microsoft: "Hey lets make it you need to be constantly connected to internet and we can always spy on you and you can't play used games."

>>380432535
>PC Gamers in Japan:

>>380433034
>If Sony were to release their exclusive titles on PC, it wouldn't hurt their console market share (console buys and PC gamers are typically very different consumers).
>Instead it would increase game sales by 25-50% (depending on popularity), which translates to a nice big increase in revenue.

There are plenty of Playstation games that I'd buy for PC, but there is no chance that I'm ever going to buy a Playstation. I'd buy pretty much every Metal Gear game if they were remastered or just released for PC.

>>380433068
No, the PS3 caught up because Sony finally got their shit together and lowered prices, especially in EU markets.
They also started marketing more heavily, especially FIFA related.

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>>380433120
I love how much of a fuccboi MS has turned into.

Literally the platform for cucks now

>>380433165
>implying more Japanese own PS4s than PCs

>>380430757
Don't forget:
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's have backwards compatibility with older games"
>Sony: "no"

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>>380432887
>PC cucks will never get this
HAHAHAHAAHA I want to die

>>380433235
Well there is also the fact that Microsoft went crazy with Kinect for a few years and neglected almost everything else.

>>380433165
>*fap**fap**fap**fap**fap**fap**fap*

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>>380430757
>, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
>>Sony: "no"

This, it's not fucking fair

>>380433120
This is the exact reason I will never buy anything Xbox ever again.

If they are capable of this, they are capable of anything at any time.

>>380431807
>Sony: "yeah you're right, what was I thinking?"
>E3 happens

>>380430757
Reminder that Portal 2 had some sort of PS3/PC cross deal, I forget the specifics.

It's a matter of fanboyism and racism vs genuine enjoyment of games

Take your pick

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>>380433235
The PS3 beat the 360 because of Europe.

Europe is the reason why Sony will always win.

>>380433120
We can all be thankful for that colossal fuck-up. The reason they're so open right now is because they're still desperately trying to claw back from that.

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>>380431807
Smartest comment of the thread award.

I hate console war shit so much

But honestly what the fuck? Not even allowing fucking crossplay for bloody rocket league and minecraft?

>>380432638
>defending shit like this
i bet you also defend cut of backwards compatibility after they said old games look like trash and why would anyone want to play them, all while charging real money for ps2 games on their store and not letting you use your own discs
there is literally no argument for this other than "sony won and they can do what they want"

>>380432763
Who gives a shit about arms?

Sonybros and niggersoft keep battling like kids

>>380430757
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
>Holds games hostage on Windows 10

>>380430757
>hey lets ban used games
Truly these are our saviors

>>380433470
For rocket league they don't need it

They have PC and PS4, the overall player count right now is 90k players

>cross play between Switch, Xbox, and PS4
>Guy on voice chat: "Press the X button!"

>>380433506
did you miss constant threads spamming last week? ninbabies were praising it like its a console seller lmao

>>380430757
Fuck Sony. Now we know the real villains of the vidya industry. Fuck them.

>>380432562
>Microsoft has no choice. They're already in an awful position. Sony doesn't need to allow modding.
it's not only that, but I think everyone knew paid mods was still coming and free mods was only a market test to see if it would work and not brick systems.

>>380433620

>Crossplay
>voice chat

>it all devolves into console war shitposting and tribalism

So fucking obvious this would happen.
Would create the worst fucking online community in history.

>>380430757
microsoft is not good guys, they are origin of evil.

>>380433419
PS4 is beating MS and Nintendo in murrica too. PS4 sold more in Japan than WiiU and like 1000 times more than Bone.

>>380432851
>Ignores Halo and Gears Of War for Xbox 360 and original Xbox

Without those games Xbox would be fucked and ironically it's even more screwed because they spammed out the title so many times with sequels up the ass that no one really cares about it anymore.

>>380432153

This. Sony remain ethnically pure.

RAHOWA when?

>>380433801
The best part is you don't even need voice chat with the exclusive cosmetic stuff in each version.

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>consumers: "hey lets allow us to voice chat with strangers, it won't hurt us"
>nintendo: "no"

>>380433034
So when is Halo and Gears Of War and Forza coming to PC?

I hate Sony just as much as the next guy, but fuck, I wouldn't wanna partner with Microsoft either. They're evil.

>>380432987
Good buy the cuck Machine.

>>380433807
This. Microsoft only exists because they ruthlessly raped the shit of up and coming competitors in the 80's and 90's.

Sony's pursuing economically competitive tactics against them because if you show any goodwill or quarter to Microsoft, they stab you in the back.

Sony is pursuing policies that are objectively in the best interests of themselves as a company and of PS4 owners.

>>380433119
this so much. I think we all know what types of people play on Xbox and especially Nintendo, it's better no, morally irresponsible to not keep young PlayStation users away from those types

>>380433807
Pretty much this.

>>380434249
Too bad they didn't give enough of a fuck about the best interests of PS3 owners by not bothering to encrypt their personal data and credit card information.

>>380430757
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow free modding and game tweaking on consoles"
You can mod skyrim on PS4. Am I missing something here?

>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
You mean microsoft is selling games on their own platform, the windows 10 store? Why should sony sell their games on platforms that aren't theirs?

>Microsoft: "Hey, let's have cross-platform play, all gamers should be able to enjoy games together"
Like SFV? Or rocket league between PS4 and PC?

>thinly veiled Microsoft shilling thread #1024934

>>380434693
Fallout and Skyrim have mods now, not as many as the X1 version but they're there if you disable your trophies for the game.

>>380434693
>sony sell their games

I think OP wanted Sony to give them for free to PC faggots.

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>>380431807

>>380433401
What happens at E3?
Microsoft announcing a bunch of games you can play on PC and PS4 and Sony announcing a few games that you can only play on PS4?

wew

>>380433487
as much as I disagree with not having backwards compatibility, I have a very simple solution to that problem. dont get rid of your older system.

>>380435208
Sony is in bed with Bethesda and are one of the parties responsible for PAID MODS 2.0.

>>380435208
What games you can only play on PS4 did they announce?

>>380430757
>FFXIV
>PS4 and PC Cross platform play
>Square wanted Xbox to be included too
>They refused

So it's okay when Microsoft is the victim?
Fuck off shill.

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>>380431807

>>380430757
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow PC gamers to enjoy our games as well, it won't hurt us"
>Sony: "Playstation Now"

>>380430757
>Gimped modding
>Flopped games
>Sony did cross-platform long before MS did
>MS destroyed the status quo of free online

Why do Xfags think they're allowed back here again?

>>380431884
Sony: Hey let's have an insecure service that get's hacked and our customers credit card details leaked

Sony: Hey let's have such a poor service that a single hack can cause us to have an outage that lasts literally multiple months

>>380433290

Just a few more years of 1 minute of action of a single element of the game, friend!.

>Sony:"No Ape Escape 4"
wtf i hate sony now!

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>>380431807

>>380430757
they are the new Nintendo

>>380435362
Uncharted Lost Legacy
Days Gone
God of War
Shadow of the Collosus Remake
Spiderman

>>380435692
>new

>>380432289
>Monster Hunter is great! Never ever sonybros
Monster hunter is casual! It will Flop!

>>380434080
They already are. What rock have you been living under?

>>380434693
sony won't allow modders to have the access they need in order to fully realize their mods. most skyrim mods don't work on the ps4

>>380430757
paranoia in regards to these things possibly leading to breaches in system security

>>380430757
>Sony actually said they don't want kids to play together with PS4 owners
PS4 CONFIRMED FOR PEDO CONSOLE

>>380431973
Microsoft owns both X Box and Windows. Sony fags can brag all they want, but Microsoft always wins no matter what

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>>380430757
>Microsoft: Let's have 4K/60
>Sony: "no"

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>>380431807

>>380430757
>Microsoft: "let's make money by selling our users personal data"
>Sony:"no"

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>>380431807

>>380433165
There are few westaboos who actually own a gaming PC, and they're pretty pitiful if they don't know English well. And even Japanese games on Steam often exclude Japanese language. PC gaming is just being shut down before it can even have a chance to grow.

>>380430757
WOAH OP, IT'S ALMOST LIKE MICROSOFT HAS SOME SORT OF STAKE IN THE PC SOFTWARE BUSINESS THAT SONY DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT? WOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>380432535
>PC Gamers in Japan

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>>380436640
>Destiny 2
>Assassin's Creed Origins
>ARK
>Crackdown 3

>>380436031
What a shitty strawman only PS4 version will be casual. Switch still getting real MonHun.

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>>380434693
>You can mod skyrim on ps4
anon, adding a custom sword is not even considered modding, up to some time ago every PC game came out with an editor on disc to create maps and items

If you can't do a total conversion, mod the UI or add dickgirls, what is the fucking point? It's not even adding glitter to shit, it's just rubbing shit on shit

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>>380436741
>And even Japanese games on Steam often exclude Japanese language.

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>>380433165
>>380436741
Gee, i wonder who made all those visual novels, and who is buying them.
I wonder on which console all those chinese porn games are meant to play

>>380433810
The PS4 only barely outsold the Wii U n Japan in 2016. And that's only cause there's no other home console competitor in Japan. This is hardly an achievement when the home console industry in Japan is at all time lows and most Japs would rather play mobile phones or a 3DS/Vita. And once the Vita dies, unless Sony has a follow up ready, Nintendo can just absorb the remains of that market with the Switch

>>380430757
>what was there problem

They are greedy now cause everybody chose their side.

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>>380437408

>>380432383
>have you seen the state PC is in?
you mean the Windows store still being a piece of shit and Steam still being the defacto gamestore?
yeah real smart on MS's part

Sony are Japanese so they're better.

>>380437510
On toaster from 2006 with windows xp. Lots of consolefags have such pcs as well o/

>>380437408
>japanese NOPE
>korean CHECK

this triggers the jap

>>380430757
It's almost as if Microsoft fucking owns the PC market as well you gaylord.

>>380437595
Honestly, if they put exclusives on the store i would have no problem buying them.
It's not like Origin or uPlay where you have to install their shit, it's already there, and i always loved Gran turismo, so letting me play Forza on PC is great news

>>380431927

Voted worst fanbase on /v/ for a reason. The nips refer to them as roaches as well

>>380430757
but don't you remember how AWFUL the Xbox One reveal is???

I mean, who wants to watch TV in their living room looool

>>380437894
>The nips refer to them as roaches as well

Really?

>>380433165
Actually a fair amount. I was surprised too. Remember that Cave Story was a Japanese thing, and Touhou too.
>>380437408
Wow holy shit at least we're not that cucked yet.
>>380437764
Yeah I think there's more Korean PC gamers than Japanese, based purely on my twitter experience in obscure indie PC games.

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>>380431807
fpbp

>>380437020
Sea of Pirates looks pretty lit

>>380438049

there's more koreans still playing brood war than there are japanese computer games in total

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>>380437882
>It's not like Origin or uPlay where you have to install their shit,
you have to install the biggest shit for it

>>380438161

*gamers

>>380438010

Yeah, which was hilarious when the story broke that PS4's are LITERAL roachnests. Repair shops open up PS4's all the time clogged with roach bodies, etc.

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>>380431807

>Nintendo reads the writing on the wall and makes a home console handheld hybrid that also tries to bridge the gap between mobile gaming on smart devices and traditional handheld gaming because the industry has moved on
>Microsoft wants to "PC gaming and console gaming closer together" because the industry has moved on
>Sony and their cancerous fanbase still linger behind trying to suck whatever pennies they can out of a dying industry
>They haven't even announced a PS5

Does Sony even care anymore?

>>380430757
Did Nintendo and Sony just switch... Only realised that as I typed it but I'll take it


Sony just SWITCHed with Nintendo.

>>380438684
>>380438684
Sony got switched

>>380431807
pretty bold considering all the movies shown at e3, Sonybro.

>>380438361
But why do nips hate the PS4 fanbase? The way /v/ talks, you'd think nips play nothing but Sony. Is the commitment to other platforms that much stronger

>>380430757
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's allow free modding and game tweaking on consoles"
>Sony: "no"
>Bethesda: "i have a better idea.."

>>380431807
>how to spot a Sony nigger who's ass got torn so bad this E3
my fucking sides

>>380438161
Yeah I completely forgot about Korean Blizzard autism. All those MMOs too.

>>380430757
Your mom on my dick is the problem

>>380431807
>>Sony: "lets have games"
t.2016

>>380430757
Why is sony such a cancerous company?
They are Bethesda's new partner for PAID MODS 2.0.
There is no going back.
I am going to boycott all sony games from now on.

>>380439094
You're just jealous of Shenmue3 and Knack 2 haha

>>380435692
>good games
soy nigs out of control this summer

>>380435692
Sounds like the PS5's gonna have a killer launch lineup

>>380430757
Don't forget Backwards compatibility.

>Sony: "No one wants to play old games."
>re-release every game anyway

>>380438935
>>380438785
I bet you both think the XBONE X is a smart purchase with great value as well lmao

>>380439465
>I don't like them so they don't count
Back to 4th grade prison for you little boy

>>380437894
Worse than Nintenbros? I find that hard to believe

The last time US gave anything to Japan was two fucking atom bombs. I can't really blame them for being reluctant.

>>380431807
>Microsoft: Let's have new games at e3 this year.
>Sony: No.

>>380440132
We also gave them a massive inferiority complex regarding all of their remaining culture.

>>380438832
>But why do nips hate the PS4 fanbase?
They seem to shitpost as much in japan.
Sony Gokiburi (Sony Roach) is a term thats been used to describe Sony fanboys for years though, before the PS4 even.

There is still a significant amount of Sony fans in japan of course.

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>>380435227
>It's a Don Mattrick posts on /v/ episode

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sony has always been shit.

and don't even get me started on that controller. the controller being unusable garbage is the sole reason why if you own a playstation over an xbox/switch/pc you are cancer

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>>380431927

>>380438182
To be fair Windows 7 got most of the windows 10 cancer via updates.

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>>380438785
You know how people bring up list wars?

I can literally mention Spiderman and Xbots would lose every goddam time because not even Gaylo 6 was announced.

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>>380430757
the only way to save the industry is stop buying from USA and Japanese video game companies

and go back to supporting British video games companies, the only thing that can save the industry is if a new Amstrad is released.

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>>380432851
Whut?

Then why have exclusives?
If the data is as you say, no company in the world would bother.

>>380431884
>>>380430757 (OP)
>Microsoft: "Hey, let's charge for P2P connections"
Sony: "ok"

>>380438935
I'm a peacock and Sony had the best e3 conference, that being said e3 was terrible this year and the only interesting games are metro and spiderman

3 friends have PS4s, one of them was considering switching to a new xbox x because muh powerful console. But he wont because then he wont be able to play with his friends anymore.

Its that simple

>>380442318
>Majority of friends are xbots are peacocks
>Nobody to play Bloodborne with :(

>>380442216
>Nintendo: Woohoo!

There was a time when MS was on top, and they said no to cross-platform.

What changed?

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>>380431807
demolished

>>380440241
ahahahahaha

They are Japanese and hail from an inferior society.

>>380437572
Nah, remember PS4 sales slumped really hard early on and then had a resurgence shortly before FF15, it's now doing better per week than it was 5 weeks into launch in japan. FF literally saved Japanese console gaming.

>>380437510
Japanese people that intend to play some games on their PC (usually MMOs) buy prebuilt, and prebuilt machines in japan are fucking weird last time I checked. (which was a while ago now) they have really good CPUs, like, current gen shit a lot of the time. But integrated graphics.

Which is why for years if you played a Japanese PC game it dumped fucking everything it could to the CPU.

>>380442012
>a new amstrad

Hello this is 1990. Please come see us, you've missed so much.

Also remember they're owned by sky now so it'd be fucking shit.

why are nips such kikes?

>>380432618
maybe they'll wake up and realize they're being conned for paid online

it's honestly one of the things holding me back from getting a Switch- not like I played much online on my Wii U.

>>380443253
Not even a sonybro but like
>Xbox
Xbox original games, 4K MINECRAFT, and Forza I guess?
>Sony
Spiderman, god of war, days gone, uncharted, Detroit robot game
Even Nintendo had a better e3 with Metroid Prime 4 and Mario odyssey

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>>380431807

>>380430757
>What is their fucking problem?
being on the top

>>380441013
>Another retard Xnigger

Why am I wholly unsurprised

>>380443453
>Spiderman
You mean the QTE simulator with the awful UI and animations ripped directly from the previous game? Bet you're extra excited to fight Mister Negative. What a great bottom of the barrel villain am I right?
>god of war
Babysitting simulator that's even more dumbed down than the previous games. At least you get to watch your wife's son grow into a psychotic killer.
>uncharted
Copy/Pasted platformer doing the exact same shit Tomb Raider did back in 96. Are people actually interested in this?
>Detroit robot game
Oh yeah, because the last few David Cage games were so good right? Can't wait for more bad writing and clunky "cinematic" gameplay. I'm sure PS4 owners will eat it right up.

>>380443453
>Spiderman, god of war, days gone, uncharted, Detroit robot game
My friend, none of those games are worth spending time on, let alone buying.
>Even Nintendo
What do you mean "even" Nintendo? They certainly had the best line-up, even if it wasn't a gob-smacking one.

>>380444321
>Spiderman
I don't know who Mr negative is
>God of war
Does look shittier than the originals but let him is fun
>Uncharted
I like all the others
>Detroit robot game
Looks cool but not buying right away, what other games did he make that were shit?

>>380431807
>sony
>games

>>380435692
>uncharted
drakeface.jpg
>days gone
who cares
>god of war
dead series
>sotc remake
not buying the same game a third time
>spiderman
oh no, dr. connor's class... i got so caught up in what i was doing, i forgot all about it
he's gonna kill me

microsoft had a lot of stuff, a little of which looked ok. sony had a little stuff, even less of which looked ok. but then what do you expect from the company that made the nogaems3

it's gonna be a miracle if those pizzas are even recognizable anymore

>>380444809
>not knowing about David "The Hack" Cage
you are in for a wild ride friendo

>>380431807
/Thread

>>380431807
>Sony: "let's have silky smooth 30fps movie games"
>Microsoft: "no"

>>380431927
PS community is a joke.

>>380444809
Anon, Microsoft has plenty of shitty games too. Nobody brags about shit.

>>380432987
Spoken like a true console owner subhuman
Buy a pc you fucking niggershit

>>380436662
>lets just get hacked instead!
Fuck off sonybro

>>380431807
>microsoft: "let's have games"
>sony:"no"
ftfy

>>380431927
>TFW Sony shitposters still keep posting Uncharted bullshots in graphics threads.
Any time you fags want to stop is fine by me

>>380439430
Sure bud.

>>380443046
>Which is why for years if you played a Japanese PC game it dumped fucking everything it could to the CPU.
That explains why some VNs to this day still offers software rendering.