Life is Strange 2 >Ashley Burch >Beloved character ht

When are they going to figure out that nobody cares?

>>380366073
They're still on strike? What the fuck, have they accomplished ANY of their goals since they started or not?

>>380366259
you don't care that Zoe Quinn's bestie isn't going to voice the iconic protagonist from the award winning GOTY?

Someone that people actually care about, Alyson Court, will not be voicing Claire in the RE2 remake because of the strike. So that's shitty.

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>Beloved character
>Literally an angsty bitch all the fucking time
>HOW DARE YOU ANSWER YOUR FUCKING PHONE
>Hey look see if I wasn't a hardcore druggie I'd be a potato so feel bad for me okay? :)
>Dies all the fucking time

I let that bitch rot

Haha, good shit, fuck anyone that buys that piece of shit.

Hahahahahahahaha, this is great news.

can someone remind me what the strike is about?

they get paid to do a job, and they want more money because....??? didn't they sign a contract or some shit?

>>380366490

Satania is a miracle of the universe.

her magnum opus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bozvLUp0f1o
a timeless "how long can you last" video

>>380366073
Reminder unions are mafias and should be made illegal.

>>380366073
Developers and artists are the ones who dont get paid enough. Who cares about these voice actors? A ton of people out there can do what they do.

>>380366865
They want better conditions and small amounts of residuals.

Things like splitting up strenuous sessions more. As trust me, if a game demands you shout a lot, you will not get get more than a couple of hours at most. And if you try and push it you might fuck your voice.

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>>380366073
She's still involved as a writer for the game, so I'm good.

>>380366073
>striking
>against indies
pretty sure they aren't on SAGAFTRAs blacklist

>>380367513
t. never actually tried acting.

Mostly yes, that's true, but it's not actors jobs to go "oh man these guys should get more, so until they do we won't ask for anything" the artists and programmers need to engage collective negotiation.

>>380367596
>strenuous
Yeah, those poor people, sitting in an air-conditioned room and reading off pieces of paper for four hours. How do they stand it?

>>380367709
>on strike for VA
>still writes for the game
The entire strike is a fucking joke, they're not even taking it seriously.

>>380367464
Unions are a double edged sword

I'm in one for my job right now (Kroger was the only place that would hire me while being a college student) and it means that they actually have to pay me a decent wage, give me raises and time off, actually give me fucking hours, etc.

Been screwed too many times before by old retail jobs.

>Hey we want you to run the entire fucking store but we're only gonna pay you in nickels and give you ten hours a week

>>380366490
your a faggot, chloe is amazing

Chloe was a piece of shit and a bad influence on Max. I don't know how anyone can have any affection for a character that waves, while under the influence, a fucking gun at her friend.

Max was better off with whatever his name was that wanted to go ape with her.

>>380366073
>life is strange
And who exactly cares?

>voice actor strike

lol who gives a shit

>>380367781
>t. sits in his room all day speaking to no one

>>380367781
When was the last time you had to shout for a prolongued time?

I do shows and I can shout quite well, my voice is pretty strong, I don't go hoarse like the less experienced guys do. But I wouldn't be able to pull off 2 full hours of it without a good few hours to rest my voice.

>>380367447

I wanna hug Rei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3NI7kzLRKA

>>380367836
It's not her fault, the union is forcing her to do it

i hope whoever the new va is does an even better job and squenix hires her permanently and then they push a patch that replaces chloe's voice in the first game.

>>380366073
>Ashley Burch
Did Anthony Burch transition to woman lmao wtf

>>380368205
When you go on strike you go all the way, none of that half assed shit. You put in the effort to get what you want, you don't meet anyone halfway.

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>yfw you're not Ashley or Anthony Burch

>>380367781
>does not understand how vocals work

I tried playing Life is Strange, but I just couldn't. Main character is a cringey spergwoman. The tryhard indie music makes my ears bleed.

>>380367596
Yeah and how much do they get paid per hour? pretty sure more than most people with an actual degree, and all they have to do is talk. They don't even have "to act" like a real actor.

They want special treatment like real actors, because it got over their head that real actors get paid millions to do voice overs in cartoons and shit like that, but they forgot their reputation and fame had precedence.

>>380366482
Aw fuck, I never played RE2 but this breaks my heart a bit.

>>380368296

That's her well-known sister

Call me when video game DEVELOPERS try to unionize and fight to get better deals with publishers. American voice dubbers could easily be replaced by anyone off the street and there would be no actual quality difference--it might even improve, since video game devs like Funcom who apparently hire theatre troupes to do voices receive BETTER voice acting from people who aren't part of Wil Wheaton, Felicia Day and Anthony Burch Sister's cartel.

If the strike means we get more and more new VAs in games then I hope it never ends.

>>380366073
>journalist name

Wait, there are still people who pretend to like Burch's "acting"? Really?

>>380366073
>strike on an indie game

wasn't the strike was against big name publishers like wb and ea and shit?

obligatory post in every Ashley Burch thread
https://youtu.be/bozvLUp0f1o

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>>380366073
I will never understand the voice actor strike. It's pretty much a win-win for everyone except for the people on strike.
>Companies don't have to spend lots of money to buy big name VAs anymore
>Small name VAs are able to get their name out to the public because they're cheaper
>Big name VAs aren't getting jobs / paid because literally no one but them gives a shit about the strike

>>380366073
>strike
But she was working on that Zero Something game and its DLC,wasn't she? When did this "strike" start?

>/v/:I HATE ASHLEY BURCH AND ALL HER GAMES!!
>/v/:But she's great in Horizon Zero Dawn!!!

>>380366073
Who did she voice?

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>>380368362
>mfw

>>380369282

>implying /nintendo/ liked Horizon

Nigger, it's from Sony.

>>380368484
like 15 dollars an hour most of them

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>>380369363
Google it.

>>380366073
good

>>380369274
>When did this "strike" start?

almost year ago lol. and nobody cares. hell, if anything games are better for it.

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>>380368362

>>380366073
Please spell her name the way her retarded parents do: Ashly.

Hella

>>380366259
Publishers will just cave in to some of their demands for some good boy points, violent white males and man children can always pay $10 more for their shooters and dating sims.

>>380366073
And nothing of value was lost.

>>380367957
>my union at Kroger
I'm laughing at you child at your baby union. My elevator union mandates I get paid $56 an hour

>>380366490
W R O N G

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>>380369363
She's a famous lol so randum youtuber.

>>380370401
I'm making $28 in the meat department as the cutter, that's pretty fucking good for a college student man.

>>380366073
oh man WHO FUCKING CARES LMAO

Are they still striking? How long has it been now?

More importantly, has anyone cared?

Why is she striking?

>>380370772
>How long has it been now?
Really?

>>380366490

STUPID GUN.

>>380370880
Dental plan.

reminder the other side agreed to every term but residuals, and the entire reason this strike still goes is their own ego to think they 'deserve' perpetual payment before the actual programmers/devs

Reminder Nolan North conflicts with their agenda because he thinks the devs deserve money before him.

and not one of those hambeasts is going to refuse to buy LIS:prequel milking just because birch isn't it.

>>380366073

>Another VA strike.

Hey maybe this means Yuri Lowenthal will finally stop being in every video game ever.

>>380371054
Nolan north is probably one of the ones that gets paid very well though.

Also they wanted like 1 residual payment if the game breaks a million copies.

Nolan North is the real reason why this strike was made in the first place.

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>Strike claims a beloved character's voice
>wtf man someone died?
>Ashly Burch will not be able to reprise her role

And nothing of value was lost

Wait, there was a strike?

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>>380366073
What the fuck? Why do these fucksticks think they deserve top pay like a Hollywood actor?

Maybe this strike is good, and will get some fresh talent in instead of the same goddamn Troy Baker/Laura Bailey character in every single fucking game

>>380371054
>because he thinks the devs deserve money before him.

>hey I think we should get slightly better conditions
>yeah
>oh wait these guys aren't doing anything to improve their situation so we can't.

>>380370401

You're a group of block and tackle engineers,it shouldn't be a surprise that with a bit of teamwork you can elevate your paygrade.

The fact it's gone on for so long means that the companies have just hired non union workers to replace them.

Aka they pissed away their jobs and didn't even realize it.

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I want to kiss Ashly's legs and feet!

>>380366073
>Another fucking prequel sequel game
They need to stop doing this shit

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>>380367447
>Somebody is out there unemployed while this woman was paid to do this

>>380371158
unlikely it'll just mean MORE of the lower tier people in everything.

that persona 5 group is basically all upcoming dub roles for the time being. they were P5, they are akiba's beat, they are the fucking Friday the 13th voices.

hell im like 75% certain Pauline singing in the mario odyssey trailer is Futaba's Va, and she's also in the fortnite trailer etc.

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>>380366073
>Go on strike because muh job
>Can't get any more jobs

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>>380371810

God the nightmare never ends.

>>380366490
>hardcore druggie

Are you fucking 13?

>>380371948
as a voice actor you don't actually earn enough to not be applying for everything most of the time.

>>380371512
note previous point, they agreed to ALL the better condition demands, the ONLY point the refuse is residuals.

the strike continues ENTIRELY because va people of the 'tier' like wil fucking wheaton think 'they' aloen are the reason a character ever works, nto animators, nto writers not programmer,s just they mr special voice person.

Hard to have any sympathy for a game series I don't give a fuck about because I'm not a teenage girl.

Also why are they on strike? They get paid exuberant amounts to "act" into a mic. Hard to have any sympathy.

>>380366073
Literally who, and what game. No one fucking cares lmao. Voice acting is meaningless.

>>380371740
Connection-oriented jobs are killing actual talent. Years ago some homeless chucklefuck was actually able to get a job as a radio host because he had the perfect broadcasting voice, now he's living a comfortable middle-class life away from the streets and even works to help other homeless people get their own jobs.

>>380372169
No, they think they play a very big part of it and they do. (will wheton is a dick tho) and it's not their fucking job to try and improve everyone's conditions. The animators writers and programmers should fight for their own conditions if they think they're treated unjustly.

This "oh but look at these guys!" is a classic union breaking tactic. Fuck off, if they tried to fight it I'd cheer them on, but they have to be the ones to do it.

>>380366340
They were offered everything they demanded except royalties back in Januray or February I think, they refused it and continued the strike. Really shows the union only cares about the cash and nothing else.

>>380372457
He had been to classes and trained that voice. He fell by the wayside and someone was lucky enough to spot him and record it.

Just wanted to fill in that story.

>>380372563
If they got some residuals from big jobs (iiec it was a payment at 1 million sold copies) maybe they wouldn't need to be in half the games that come out.

>>380372243
it's a demand for general working condition improvements (which all of these terms were agreed on) and thinking their entitled to residuals (this is the part the other side refuses to budge on, and why it keeps going)

the voice actors honestly don't have the leg to stand on residual wis because not enough people 'care' enough some stupid person is or not the english voice to impact a product.

Metal gear still sold bs amounts without Hayter, i imagine barely enough people refused to buy DAN because rise wasn't Laura bailey, and I damn sure know nobody is going to boycott a batman game because Kevin Conroy inst batman that time.

and really the second they cost as much to hire as old busted celebrities, the publishers will just hire those because they look better for marketing.

>>380372563
>fucking up new union members in favor of getting the old boys a better deal
>all about protecting the union
wow im shocked

>>380366073
Hopefully the public will start complaining now and shit will actually get done to end this retarded strike.

>>380373316
If anything residuals help the new guys more. They're more likely to struggle to find another job to jump to right after one has finished.

>>380366073
Wait, she was in life is strange?

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>Beloved character
I love LiS (excluding episode 5), but there is nothing redeemable about this Chloe Price. Fuck her.

Also
>white collar union
>white collar strike
I mean, I'm as middle class as it gets, but this shit actually offends me on behalf of the working class. WOW YOUR LIFE SO SO HARD, YOU SPEAK INTO A MICROPHONE STANDING IN A WARM STUDIO. LITERALLY SLAVERY! Fuck these entitled cunts. They are extremely privileged to even work as something as divaish as an actor. Don't these wannabe socialists realize that they are the elite? That being paid for doing what you enjoy puts you in the top 5% of the fucking population?

>>380372143

I get that, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. Especially because every character he plays is performed exactly the same way.

I couldn't stand Yosuke in P4 until I switched to Japanese audio because every time he talked I was reminded it was just Yuri saying lines the exact same way he does with every other character he plays. It completely ruined any sort of immersion I had.

>>380372458
they do NOT automatically deserve residual payment. they are an individual talent driven industry, residuals are a thing you demand on an 'individual' level when you have the role that actually 'needs' you to be voicing it, not before.

Nolan North can demand residuals for Nathan drake roles, because he 'isn't hat character, haytor could (and did) demand increasing payments to keep playing snake.

what they want is to be 'given' the residual regardless.

>>380373538
I don't believe residuals for lowbies will matter that much. I think these people would rather be making money right now. They're literally voice actors, very few of them make a lot of money.

>>380366073
Who's gonna say Hella now?
>>380366482
Wait, didn't Capcom not have her back for Revelations 2 as well? Was that strike related or Capcom being shit?

>>380373316
>Workers union don't care about new talents because they don't bring enough money to the table
I mean we all knew worker unions are in only and exclusively for the money but I have never seen one group that's so blatant and doesn't even try to hide it as the SAG-AFTRA.

>>380373601
>that being paid for doing what you enjoy puts you in the top 5% of the fucking population?

Do you assume that every voice actor enjoys their job?

>>380373753
Yes, but that game you were in that sold a whole lot suddenly giving you another check that lets you keep chugging on for that bit longer is still gonna matter.

>>380373664
But they don't want them carte blanche, they want specifically laid out payments last I checked. This benefits everyone and lets the ones that aren't so big maybe actually get a couple more credits behind them. There's -so- many people get get like 2-3 credits then just can't get more because they have to give up and find something more stable. This + VA's needing to apply for EVERYTHING to earn a living is a big reason why shit's so samey.

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>>380366259

>>380373941
If there is a voice actor out there who hates their job I implore them to do some blue collar work like the majority of us

>>380371054
Not even this. Devs were willing to cave on residuals provided they were just called something different. Not good enough for our thespians though.

>>380374710
That could very easily be a way to get their status changed or change the way they're taxed or something.

>>380373941
>oh my god talking into this microphone fucking sucks I'd rather be ditch digging
-literally no voice actor

>>380374162
>Yes, but that game you were in
we're talking about lowbies, which is why this only helps seniors.

You seem to be in denial about how pretty much every union operates. Have you ever even been in a union?

>>380372842
Just to clarify, they want payments at 2,4,6 and 8 million units sold/ downloads/ subscribers (for online games)

>>380375027
Unite, Unison and GMB.

>>380373042

Batman had such a generic voice I don't even particularly remember it. People bought Bamham because it was the goddamn Batman. The guy who voicing him? Who gives a shit. Unless it was Adam West which would've made Bamham ridiculous as hell.

>>380366073
Voice actors are such scumbags. They have no idea how much work goes into a making a game. All they do is talk. They didn't even write the lines they speak.

>I only got paid $100,000 to speak a finite number of lines!

oh fuck off.

>>380375142
sounds like a union shill,

you probably make money off of people actually do the work :^)

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>>380373941
Why get into voice acting if you don't like it? It's not exactly easy to get into. It's also a relatively easy job that given you social status and connections. Being a successful actor is status in itself. If they don't like it they can always go work in retail. Oh wait, that would require them to do actual physical labor and that's soooooooooo underclass. Can't have that. Voice acting isn't exactly something people get into just to keep the lights on. I like my programing part time job even though I'm a 11 bucks an hour wage slave, because I can write code however I want, I'm having a good time and at least I'm not packing shelves at my local supermarket. Again, if you're white collar and you're job isn't boring office or secretary work, but actually intrinsically fulfilling, you don't deserve a fucking union or workers rights beyond general regulations. Working class people need unions, because they could actually be worked to death (think 19th century factory), but even those necessary unions are full of cancerous self entitled cunts who use the system to leech on society. Giving white collar workers unions has all the drawbacks and none of the benefits of having a union. It's objectively a bad idea.

>>380374998
That's exactly my point, broken down into two simple lines. Beautiful.

ya know, I think Id be okay with Voice acting taking a nosedive in quality if it means that Ashly Burch never got work again.

>>380375262
>voice acting gig
>$100,000
Are you high or an aspiring voice actor?

Is this why all the voice acting in XC2 is fucking terrible?

>>380366073
I don't like Life is Strange, but ashly burch is a huge cunt, so it's good to know she won't be getting a game character role

>>380374874
Yeah it's some kind of legal thing that makes it easier to demand more or for others to demand the same if you actually use the word.

>>380374162
they want to be given residuals upon hitting a sales milestone. they basically want the contract to to give them 'credit' for the game selling well.

every better workings condition term was approved, it's 'only' residuals that they;re being a stickler on, because the other side knows western audiences do not give a fuck.

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Does this mean someone else will get to voice Rise?

Great news.

>tfw working on my own voice acted work out of love during my summer vacation

I'll have it up soon I hope, I'm doing 90% of the voices by myself

>>380375821
>but ashly burch is a huge cunt, so it's good to know she won't be getting a game character role
The character she plays is also a huge cunt, so she is actually perfect for the job.

>>380367596
Fuck off, Lowenthal

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>>380366490
>Points loaded gun at best friend.
>Believes she should control the gun, and that men need to be put in check.
>Literally ends up accidentally shooting herself with it the next day.

Every time.

Who here let her shoot herself a few more times?

>>380367781
Then do their job for them if it's so easy. Fuck, I can't get how much people are little bitches about how other people earn their money. You think a VA can't work at Burger King like you, precious?

>>380375772
>"The average annual wage in the entertainment industry was $117,000" as far back as 2011, according to the L.A. Economic Development Corporation."
>of course, voice actors are on strike against video game companies, largely based here, over their measly pay — about $825 for a four-hour session of work. You could barely eat — first at Whole Foods, then at Mozza and finally at Providence — for that kind of cash.

>>380375221
exactly why i say western devs do not care, because we the audience don't. Conroy may be a favorite batman but you replace him with Troy Baker, no one gives a shit (beyond hating Troy because he's a douche) nobody is going to meme rage Harley isn't Tara strong in one batman series, people still bought MGSV when haytor gut put to curb.

residuals royalties for voice acting are something you can only argue for after the fact, after you can prove the character 'needs' you voicing it because otherwise the sales are hurt.

guarantee you losing birch on the LIS game will barely affect sales, and barely improve them when she comes back.

post your bank account next time

>>380370401
How is the elevator business these days? I hear it's a real up and down market.

>>380376458
>as far back as 2011
>mainstream entertainment being the same as some va job on the side
>quite literally suggesting video game voice actors make 100k on average

Reddit kids, why did they have to be reddit kids.

>>380367768
T.Ashley "Ass Butcher" Burch.

I can never remember if Ashley Bursh is connected to Anthony Burch or not

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>>380368362
>mfw

>>380366865
their throats hurt a lot and they wanna be compensated for it or something. who the fuck knows with these whiny cunts

>>380375947
There won't be another persona 4 game nigga

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>>380366073
How do you go on strike when you're completely replaceable?

>>380376476
Specific voice actors are selling points and very ovbviously cherished among the board so your point is shit.

>>380376738
she's his sister and both of them did Hey Ash what you playing, that moderatly popular web series thing around when Gametrailers was still a thing.

>>380366394
She's zoe's friend? Hope she doesn't get any more acting roles, then.

>>380376458

825 for 4 hours?

Anyone hiring union scabs right now?

>>380376847
Without thinking of course.

>>380376867
Hell, I know I'm not the only one to skip DR4 in part due to them not getting Frank's VA back. Of course, the whole game looked like a step in the wrong direction, but I just didn't like the way new Frank sounded, felt like an entirely different character.

>>380376348
There's already a huge reservoir of people ready to step in and do their non-job for them. Why do you think this strike hasn't affected anything?

>beloved character
>Chloe
She was an unlikable cunt the entire game, the fuck you mean beloved?

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>>380376818
>What is P5A
>What is PQ2
Both of those have had domains registered. Chad Thundercock and Rise are back.

>>380377173
>hasn't affected anything
Yeah. besides some terrible, jarring VA work that leads to lost sales and such, it hasn't really affeted anything.

>>380376867
and the reality is not enough people refuse to buy a product, or buy a product 'because' someone is in it dub wise.

MGSV still sold well, nobody runs out to buy uncharted 4 because Laura bailey is a south African in it, nobody buys telltale batman because it has Troy baker.

>>380377270
Alright, good to know that Cuntley Burch won't be in these games.

>>380376984
Yes, but you have to have talent. And remember, work is not guaranteed. You think it's a lot of fucking money, but what if you don't get any roles for 3 weeks? You'd better better be good at sucking dick, because you'll end up needing money fast.

I don't think you'll make it, anon, unless you actually have some idea of what you're doing.

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Oh no not my favorite video game voice actor Ashly Burch

I don't get this strike, what leverage do voice actor have, do people really buy game because of a va?

>>380366340
Most games already had VO work complete before the Strike began. It's only now with development of new titles starting that the Strike is being felt.

>>380377554

I intended that as humor; My voice is nothing special. Passion only gets you so far.

My current plan is to dev a game and voice some minor character and ham it up a bit.

>>380377447
>and the reality is not enough people refuse to buy a product, or buy a product 'because' someone is in it dub wise.
Hell of a claim to make. Got any proof of that?

>MGSV still sold well
MGSV sold for very different reasons, but okay.

>nobody runs out to buy uncharted 4 because Laura bailey is a south African in it
[Citation needed]

>nobody buys telltale batman because it has Troy baker.
But people bought Batman games for Hamill and Conroy, something a lot of people seem to be forgetting about because it completely blows their arguments part.

>>380372563
>only cares about the cash
This. Good riddens.

>>380377726
>parroting what you read from an article

>>380368824
Developers will never unionize because Programmers/techbros tend to be libertarian dweebs and even if they did Unionize, there is a million other young programmers they can be replaced with who are dying to be fucked in the ass in the gaming industry.

The gaming industry is probably one of the single most abusive industry to employees out there and yet people are still just lining up bent over.

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How do i save this image?

>>380377882

The only games that actually need the same voice actors are either waifu bait or classic products. You need people who are literally purchasing the product for a character with a recognizable voice.

Hamill's joker is one of them.

Name a character that Troy, or Burch, or North voices that they gotta have for the "integrity of the character"

They don't have that kind of recognition in the main audience.

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>>380377882
>Hell of a claim to make. Got any proof of that?
>MGSV sold for very different reasons, but okay.
Way to miss the whole point you made yourself anon.

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>>380377447
But Uncharted 4 and Telltale Batman also don't get bad reviews purely due to voice acting. Bailey and Baker do fairly solid jobs every time, and even if people don't appreciate it, they notice when bad VAs (or even bad voice direction) ruin the feel of a game.

Come on, look at pic fucking related and tell me "no one cares about voice actors!". Hell, it even shows why VAs deserve some more money, these games now get rereleased and sold again, and NO ONE involved originally really gets what they deserve.
MGSV worked out well enough because people trusted Sutherland to do a good enough job, especially after he was impressive in Ground Zeroes (too bad he didn't really talk much at all). And any game that succeeds becomes a series now, people want consistency. I don't play Life is Strange (because I don't want to play what French people think American teens are like) but I'm sure people who do will notice the lead character doesn't sound the same. Who even makes those games? You'd figure the company would try to work something out for a game that is all story and no gameplay.

I HAVE A RIGHT TO WORK FUCK UNIONS AND FUCK BENEFITS AND FUCK THE MINIMUM WAGE

>>380377760
Hope it goes well, anon.

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>dumbasses are demanding a percentage cut of gross profits

good fucking luck. This "strike" is going to continue until the end of time.

Unions can be great but sometimes they're lead by these hyper-privileged dumbfucks too divorced from reality and spoiled to think right. This is clearly one of those times.

>>380377554
>but what if you don't get any roles for 3 weeks?
Not him, but $800 is my rent for the month. I can work some shitty part time job to cover food and bills. Sounds like a hookup.

>>380378825
It's like they really think people care that person Y is voicing character X.
No one gives a fuck, not even America.

>>380371392
I think i remember reading that Keifer just took the SAG rate for voice acting MGSV and thats it.

What is the strike even about? do these people actually think they are going to get royalties or a payout based on how well a game does? or get paid by the line or word or something ridiculous like that?

Not even A list celebrities get royalties for movies. I cant wait so see a bunch of picket line crossing scabs enter the open calls these companies put out and see them do a better job than these fucks for way less just cause they really want to voice act.

Voice acting is so stale anyway in anime and in games, how many roles can johnny yong bosh, steve blum, tara strong, vic mignogna and troy baker do. Its like watching the same show and playing the same game

>>380378456
Hey, if I make the claim that MGSV sold well due to the overwhelmingly positive reviews it got plus the push of a professional voice actor, I'd at least have a starting point to my arguments.

You said games don't sell based on popular voice actors because... Because. I'm still waiting for some proof, btw.

>>380378387
>are either waifu bait or classic products
Waifu bait being literally anything autismos can cling onto and classic products being what? Literally fucking anything?

So, literally fucking everything needs VAs. We know that already. The standard already exists. Some of the best games out there have excellent VA work that compliments the rest. Why do you argue against this?

>>380378767

>t. Mexican

>>380379009
I do care actually. I would be very upset if Claudia Black stopped voicing Morrigan for example.

>>380378825
>cut of gross profits for saying some words into a mic

wew

>>380369737
>4chan mascot girl

The fuck. 4chan only has one mascot girl.

Don't Rockstar always grab unknowns for GTA voices?

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>>380366073

I bet she did all the work for the Horizon Zero Dawn DLC like a good girl and didn't complain even once as they railed her on the strike line.

>>380378254
Use Bing to search for how to do that.

>>380379009

Well, people do care. Why do you think those animated movies put such a big emphasis on the actors voicing the characters in their advertisements? Actors, especially famous ones have serious marketability for your product.

>>380379139

Because they have good VA work because of good VA direction.

Xenoblade Chronicles has a decent dub because they took nobody actors and managed them like actors.

They could have done the same thing with literally any actor/actress above the 30th percentile.

it's not like her voice was that unique to begin with, I would just replace it.

actually, using the strike as an excuse, to make sequel would be even better

>>380370580
What the fuck is up with this bloodline? They both look like hermaphrodites.

>>380378858
Well, can you get a VA gig where you live?

>>380379385
Its s shame she went from pretty cute to full on kike dyke

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>>380379543
>>380379254
And it's at this point I realize that I'm not like most people.

>>380366073
Good. Now I will buy the new Life is Strange.

>>380379543
Aren't animated movies voiced by hollywood celebrities? Thats a big difference between the nonames that voice videogames, besides the star wars guy.

>>380379557
>b-but this dub literally no one asked for and wasn't even part of the marketing campaign didn't require famous VAs
>surely this resembles famous VAs being marketed as part of the final product and is the same kind of situation, right?
Imagine if you had a point to make.

>>380373839
The latter. She lives in Ontario iirc and Capcom doesn't do recordings up in Canada anymore.

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>>380371512
http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html

This is kind of old and things have changed moderately since then but arguing as a VA for better work conditions ahead of programmers is pretty ignorant of the industry reality. Furthermore, it begins to cement big budgets and games together, making this horrible AAA dystopia we live in more permanent.

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>>380379790
Nihilistic with a wicked sense of humor my comrade

>>380379385
She looks exactly like Rebecca Sugar
But at least Sugar is a good singer

>>380379139
>You said games don't sell based on popular voice actors because... Because.
Because the biggest selling points in videogames are gameplay and story you fucking pentanigger.
Voice acting has always been and will always be a fucking secondary part of the game, most games can be played just fine without voices.
No seriously, what fucking retard goes "Oh this game has amazing gameplay and story! but my favorite voice actor isn't on it, 0/10"?

>>380379889
Yeah, dude. That's why Frank Welker's the best paid VA in the business. Big hollywood star, right there with Cruise and Smith.

I'm beginning to think people against this strike know nothing about the voice acting industry.

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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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>>380379768

I think she's cute enough for a brutal face fucking. Those crazy eyes looking up at you and hoping you'd stop, but even through the cloudiness caused by the concussion, knowing you won't.

>>380379683
Absolutely not. But my point is that if you're getting paid $800 for four hours of work, who gives a fuck if it only happens once a month. Throw in a roommate or two and you can live like a neet off $800 a month.

>>380379890
>I only bought this game for the famous voice actors
Said no one ever.

>>380379932
Its the code monkeys own fault for not bargaining then
They literally only have themselves to blame

>>380379930
Fucking Capcom. Bring Claire out after all those years and can't just arrange something to get her proper voice.

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>>380368362

>there are people on /v/ who unironically played this game and make thread after thread about it daily
SJW enablers

>>380380040
>Because the biggest selling points in videogames are gameplay and story you fucking pentanigger.
May be the biggest but it's certainly not the only one, which wasn't even what I claimed nor what I'm trying to get out of you, reddit.

Still waiting for proof, bitch.

>>380379889

In a way that's true. Hollywood is pretty fucking huge in terms of outreach. But voice actors are still actors nonetheless and still have their followings. Japan pays their voice actors huge amounts of money due to the literal cult followings they gather. But that's a different market entirely really. It's why people like Animators and programmers tend to have a hard time unionizing, because they don't have the kinda marketability like voice actors do so they can be easily replaced by some pajeet or Korean if they crack a fuss.

>>380379334
Check the frontpage. Look who is next to the logo.

>>380380153
I'm happy with the strike because I want more new blood but holy shit you're a retard
I want you to think really really hard about where most of these studios are located and the average cost of living for places like San Fran or Houston.
Fuck I make about $750/month with a roommate in bumfuck ohio and barely have enough to make it paycheck to paycheck
Literally move out of your mother's basement

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>>380368362
Feels so good, my man

>>380380176
>strawmanning
Said every guy with no argument ever.

>>380380103

Well we'll see won't we? If the strike succeeds and they get all they asked for we'll know you were right. And when it fails and they're forced to capitulate you'll realize everyone else is right.

>>380380153
Should you really be needing a roommate to cover half your bills if you're a main character's voice in a million selling videogame sold around the world? I mean... that doesn't deserve a bit more? We can't all pretend there aren't voiced lines in videogames that stick in our heads years after we play a game, it may not be THE most important part of the experience, but it's vital to a lot of modern games. At the very least I think you'd agree VAs deserve some money if the game is rereleased and their work is used again.

>>380380153
>neet thinks 800 bucks a gig is enough/too much
Oh wow.

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>>380370327
From what I've read, publishers had already agreed to most of their demands already. With the exception being VA's getting a percentage of profit from game sales. There's absolutely no way publishers will budge on that and neither will the union which is pretty retarded of them as they should know that royalties is one bridge to far for just some fucking VA work.

>>380380464
>Still waiting for proof, bitch.
Literally every game ever
>BUT MUH DIFFERENT REASONS!!!!!
Yes, because nobody fucking cares about voice acting, Burch

>>380380572
Who the cunt is this fuck?

>>380380861
If ramen eating otaku had the talent to be VAs, they'd be pretty happy.

>>380380572
Someone I don't even know. It's this new Japanese guy ruining everything I bet. I heard this would happen.

>>380376867
>voice actors are selling points
Oh really? Outside of Nolan North and Troy Baker, no one knows or gives a shit about the voice actors, they are not selling points.
They're name is not helping sell units, they deserve no extra pay per X units sold, fuck off.

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>>380368362

>>380380913
So no proof, okay. It was a pleasure watching you destroy your own argument.

>>380380103
>I'm beginning to think people against this strike know nothing about the voice acting industry.

No shit, I like to play games not jerking to voice actors performance. I couldn't care less and you can bet your ass people playing CoD, FIFA, Madden and other big games don't care either.

>>380380656
The whole point of this reply chain is that VA work ISN'T a daily wagecuck commute. It's a few hours of work tops, and it only happens every three or so weeks if you're lucky.

So live two or three hours away San Francisco where you can afford rent. You only need to drive there once or twice a month.

Really don't see your point here.

>>380376867
>Specific voice actors are selling points
(if they're japanese)

>>380381083
>Outside of Nolan North and Troy Baker
>besides these guys that totally prove your point
lmao

>>380366073
>helped "write" the character while on strike

You're still a scab, Ashly. even better a hypocritical scab.

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>Getting triggered that a VA might make $.25 off of a $10 steam sale.

>>380367781
You realize even teachers fuck up their voices by just speaking normally all day right? In my country teachers even get a bonus due to that.
Spend more then a few hours shouting and your voice might get fucked up forever.

>>380366073
Who the fuck cares about the 'celebrity' voicing the character as long as it's passable in quality and sounds reasonably close to previous iterations?

>>380373601
They're actually pretty cold because of the equipment. Just saying.

>Oh sweet, a game made by [voice actor], I'm going to check it out because [voice actor] is in it!
Said no-one, ever.

>>380381097
Remember to not buy good games because the VA from you favorite pony isn't in it.

>chloe
>beloved

>>380381408
Teachers also have to do it more.

>>380381235
>Two names out of tens of thousands of nobodies.
>Voice actors are totally selling points guys!!!!

lmao

>>380376458
Fuck these niggers I earn $300 a week working 40 hours after taxes and shit

>>380381235
Yeah besides <1% of the group we're talking about...

>>380381451
Didn't you just do this post, and someone called you an idiot for it? Or are you just that unoriginal?

>>380380909
Yeah why the fuck do they think they should get royalties? Devs don't fucking get royalties.

>>380381451
>why is playtonic removing jontron from the game??? fucking SJWs don't they know people bought the game BECAUSE of jon!?

Said a lot of real people, not even that long ago.

>>380381408
>games take years to make
>implying they can't just work in 2 hour shifts over a fucking year to record all their lines

So they should get better hours instead of better pay? Got ya

>>380380103
>I'm beginning to think people against this strike know nothing about the voice acting industry.

This was obvious from day one. /v/ has very strong opinions about this despite knowing nothing about voice actors, the voice acting industry, or the strike.

>>380380861
For four hours of work once a month? Yeah, I think being paid $200/h is a lot of money.
It's literally just four hours of your time, and maybe an extra hour or three of commuting.
Meanwhile you have your actual full- or part-time job to keep the bills paid.
I really don't get what you're arguing here. Is this bait?

>>380379254
Claudia Black is an actual actress too so I dont think shes part of this bullshit

>>380380709

What game have you purchased in exclusion or in majority because of a voice actor?

Does anyone in the thread have a anecdote they'd like to share?

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>>380368362

I understand striking for more money, but a cut of every sale? That's absurd.

>>380381126

>So live two or three hours away San Francisco where you can afford rent. You only need to drive there once or twice a month.

Yeah, I mean you could do that with just $800 a month but I assume these people have lives outside of their work. Things like driving to the grocery store, paying insurance, phone bills and going out also cost money too. I'm no burger so I don't know what the cost of living is like over in San Fran but it just sounds like to me they're asking for a more consistent form of income.

It isn't a groundbreaking concept either, the television industry has syndication with some of the actors literally living off cheques from reruns of 20 year old sitcoms.

>>380381896
>Said a lot of idiots who were never going to buy the game anyway

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>>380368362

>>380381678
I always remember the video games with the literally who voice actors behind them.

Too bad they're not a selling point as famous VAs are, and arguing against it is literally denying reality.

You got any other arguments? This one is kind of boring.

>>380366865
They want health care and rest between sessions. Thats fine

The issue is they want residuals because Hollywood actors get them. They dont realize no one is waiting foe the "next Burch game" unlike the next Vin Diesel or RDJ movie

>>380381235

The exception proves the rule buddy. The fact there's two or three rockstar VAs means everyone else is shafted for recognition.

Shit, a bunch of em don't even make it into the credits.

>>380381719
This is all it really comes down to: people are jealous or pissy about their own situation.

Protip: Just because you can't get more money a week doesn't mean everyone deserves less than you. If VA's get so much undeserved money, WHY AREN'T YOU A VA, RETARD?

>>380381990
I can honestly say I've never bought or avoided a game due to the voice actors.
Fuck, the only voice actor name I know is Nolan North and I ain't going to buy a game just because he's in it.

>>380366490
>>Hey look see if I wasn't a hardcore druggie
lmao

>>380366073
With that title I was hoping she killed herself.

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>Go on strike because you hate the working conditions of your job
>Something so fucking simple Yuri Lowenthal can do it
>New and generally better VAs come pouring in to fill everyone's roles
>Meanwhile David Hayter and Ashley Burch aren't getting shit

Best timeline. Unions are the fucking worst.

>>380382106
>>380381896
Hmmm... You're both right. And all Jontron did in that game was bleeps and bloops.

>>380382106
>Said the guy moving the goalposts.

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>>380368362

>>380381235
The fact that people know about them doesn't mean they'll buy a game because of them.

>>380366073
Good riddance maybe we can get people who are not in unions and might be talented enough to earn a good play. Talent exists out there.

>>380382185
So, what games have you bought solely for the voice actors cast in them?

I'll wait.

>>380366490
This, I was glad when Mr. Jefferson shot her.

Don't care either way about Ashley Burch

>>380382094
>I'm no burger so I don't know what the cost of living is like over in San Fran but it just sounds like to me they're asking for a more consistent form of income.
But these are people who literally only work for a few hours at a time. There's no way for them to be employed full-time as a voice actor because there literally isn't a need for that much voice work, double so with how saturated the market is.

What you're suggesting is someone get paid for 160 hours of work after only working 4 hours. Why can't these people work a full or part time job to make the rest of their ends meet? It's not like they don't have the time for it. It's not like a part-time job interferes with a VA job.

>>380382232
>The exception proves the rule buddy.
>the proof rules out the argument buddy
Um, sorry sweetie, no.

>The fact there's two or three rockstar VAs means everyone else is shafted for recognition.
Like I said earlier, I'm starting to think most of you faggots are completely oblivious about the industry.

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>>380368362

>yfw you will never be balls deep in Ashly Burch getting ready to pull out and blow your load in her face when Anthony walks in, already crying from something you previously said to him which distracts you just long enough to forget to pull out and you paint the walls of her uterus in a classic egg shell white while Anthony cries even harder, apologizing for being such a piece of shit while you whip books at him for being such an idiot

>>380382269
>>380381934
I know I don't want any reasons for one of my hobbies to get more expensive.

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>Buy japanese games
>Play them in japanase
>Play Westen games
>Play them muted or in my native language
>American VAs cry

>>380382690
>What you're suggesting is someone get paid for 160 hours of work after only working 4 hours. Why can't these people work a full or part time job to make the rest of their ends meet? It's not like they don't have the time for it. It's not like a part-time job interferes with a VA job.
Get that filthy fucking logic outta here.

>>380380123
>hire a really great VA with a unique voice
>can him and replace him with Nolan fucking North

I will never not be mad about this

>>380382625
What games have you deliberately avoided buying in order to prove people don't buy things based on specific selling points?

I can tell you're the same faggot who couldn't even provide proof for his retarded "people don't buy things for the vas xdd", don't bother.

>>380382320
I never said they deserve less than me.

Just that I don't really empathize that they're only making 17 times as much as me rather than 20 times as much.

>>380382775
>most of you faggots are completely oblivious about the industry.
So i guess game sales have plummered to a stand still and companies are begging and giving to the demands of the VA union right?

>>380382775
Hi Troy Baker!!!

>>380382789

>wanting to fuck a burch

I'd rather cut my dick off.

>>380381990
>>380382412
Somebody make a strawpoll next time this thread pops up.

>>380382969
I take it you must be one of the little bitches on strike.

>>380382185
Like the guys who did all the voice acting in the most popular games to ever exist?

Shit like counter strike? WoW? Dota? Those names really went down in history didn't they you fucking idiot

>>380373941
voice actors are people that don't have the skills to act visibly (they can't do body language) or people that don't want to deal with the rigors of more physical acting, or retiring actors that still want to do some acting because they love it.

either way, not a single voice actor that hates it does it, nor do they hate it doing it.

Hopefully this goes on long enough for the VA's to regret this decision and they all just leave the union and hopefully disband it

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>>380382775
>Um, sorry sweetie, no.

Too obvious. And by quite a lot.

>>380383015
>deliberately missing the point in order to meme
I'd feel embarrassed for you if the idea of you bitching about the removal of your favorite VA in the near future wasn't so funny.

>>380383027
Hi, triggered redditor.

>>380380983
>>380381079
She is Sachiko, from idolmaster Cinderella girls.

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After MGSV i don't give a FUUUUUUUCK hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
post yfw you DIDNT GIVE A FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

>pic kinda related as to why i don't give a fuck

>>380373601
in defense their defense i think they do have a point with the breaks because with Some characters having to scream over and over isn't healthy for your vocal cords and can cause permenant damage which was one case for one voice actor that a character in payday 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekdmCYv2aew

the higher pay im neutral on, but the royalties bullshit is absolutely bonkers

>>380366073

>It's easy to forget that video game voice actors have been on strike since October 21, 2016.

More like I didn't even fucking know, and 10 minutes from now I'll have completely forgotten about it.

Bring back the days where devs voiced their own games, honestly. ""Professional"" VAs are always so forced and VISCERAL, I'll take a few gem quotes in heavily voxxed pixel speak any day.

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>>380382775

So... You don't understand what I said.

>>380367596
Better conditions, fine. But it isn't like the programmers or artists get residuals. Voice actors are asking to be treated special just because they want more money. Which I get, but that's not how the industry works for any of the employees.

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>>380383389
fuuuuuUuUuuuUuuuuuUUUuUuCk YooOoOoUuUUUUuuu hahhahahahahHAHAHHAHAHAHhHhahhhaHHA

>>380383240
I think eventually the strike will end with no demands being met.
The average gamer really doesn't care much about voice acting and likely won't even notice a difference between union and non-union.

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>>380383153

I'd fuck Ashly. I love that wavy side haircut as long as they don't do that stupid buzz cut part.

>>380383209
>comparing utilitarian bits of dialogue to fleshed out scenes with actual direction
Oh man, I love comparing Solid Snake's best lines to my microwave telling me dinner is ready.

How are you this dense and stupid, anon?

>>380382982
>I never said they deserve less than me.
>>380381719
>Fuck these niggers
I must have misunderstood you, anon. My bad.

>>380382507
>>380381896
>moving goalpost he says

Jontron is a youtube celebrity first why would you place him as an example of voice actors bringing in sales for videogames?

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>>380366073
get fucked

>>380383761
>I always remember the video games with the literally who voice actors behind them
Your own words fucknut, voice acting doesn't determine whether a game is successful, those games were successful because of their gameplay

Check mate

>>380366073
QUICK, /V/
SUM UP YOUR REACTION TO THE VIDEO GAME VOICE "ACTORS" STRIKE WITH A QUOTE FROM ANY VIDEO GAME

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/3/36/Spy_DominationSoldier04.wav

>>380383839
Doesn't matter. A lot of people considered his voice the only selling point and plenty of people bought the game solely based on his potential performance.

It's happened before, why are all these redditors so fucking hung up on it?

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>>380383687
When you accidentally into a meme you didn't know about

why do voice actors feel they're entitled to royalties? they don't have "star billing" like movie stars, and even movie stars that get royalties have to be the most popular actors (as in probably 1% of them)

Good, just cast some jabronis and get more voices in games like TES.

Oh man, how will they ever work around that? It's not like puberty can change a voice or anything.

No one currs

>>380383957
>Your own words fucknut, voice acting doesn't determine whether a game is successful, those games were successful because of their gameplay
Do find the post in which I claimed this wasn't the case. I already mentioned VAs are not the main selling point nor are they the only one, but they ARE a selling point.

See, this is why you don't skip your medication before browsing 4chan, fucktard. You don't even know what you're arguing about.

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If it wasn't for VAs hard work, this game would have sold only one copy.
You now know the real value of Voice Acting in videogames

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>American voice actors
>striking

>the overwhelming majority of America's videogame voice work comes from freelance interns with literally no acting training
Gee, I sure hope none of the codeine-addicted spergs who work at Treehouse get roped into these shenanigans! We might not get the quality dubs that games like xenoblade chronicles and fire emblem warriors deserve!

>>380382690
>. Why can't these people work a full or part time job to make the rest of their ends meet? It's not like they don't have the time for it. It's not like a part-time job interferes with a VA job.

That might fuck up their voices.

>>380384357
Its ok little striker you'll get your demands soon never

>>380384341
>he says in the world where a single tweet by some literally who dev can cause a massive outrage
It's well established people care.

>be part of some shitty union
>make outlandish demands
>get no work
>blame the big companies making games and not your own selfishness

KEK.

>>380366490
For real. I was all behind a lesbian romance but man, what a way to pick the worst character for it.

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>tfw David Hayter is still a part of this

>>380372661
Projecting a bit aren't you

>>380380040
>pentanigger
Kek

>>380383228
95% of VAs come from a theater background.

So, what I want to know is this: Why does /v/ find it so hard to believe that companies that we know do anti-consumer shit all the time (EA, WB and such), are under paying and screwing their VAs? I forget every company on the list, but we KNOW a lot of these guys are assholes, because we know they try to fuck US out of our money in every possible way. So why so much defense for them? Is it just some sick brand loyalty? Your average VA isn't rolling in dough, but people act like they're the "big rich evil asshole" in this situation, when we know guys like EA fuck their employees and customer regularly.

What makes anyone on /v/ stand up for these companies now?

>>380385210
>Why does /v/ find it so hard to believe that companies that we know do anti-consumer shit all the time (EA, WB and such), are under paying and screwing their VAs
Because they need a villain this week.

>the overwhelming majority of America's videogame voice work comes from freelance interns with literally no acting training

t. your ass

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They only game I can think of where I can say voice-acting improved my experience was House of the Dead 2. And it sure as fuck wasn't because it was GOOD voice-acting.

>>380385119

Eventually you have to start paying the bills, and not everyone makes it to broadway.

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>>380366073
Chloe's a dumb cunt but Burch is a surprisingly great actress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTIPeOWCWg

Honestly the game will be worse without her voice acting, she did her best to make that character sympathetic, it just wasn't enough.

>>380382475
It's not about the working conditions, it's about the money. If it actually was about the conditions, they probably could've gotten it settled before the strike proper even started and the devs were supposedly really receptive to the revised guidelines, but no. The most hilarious facet of the whole shitfest is the union's laughable PR, the conditions are barely mentioned anywhere while the #1 piece of media you see from them is complete horseshit to the tune of CALL OF DUTY MADE A SHITLOAD OF DOLLARS AND THE POOR VA'S WERE ONLY PAID THIS MANY PERCENT.

>>380385210
>are under paying and screwing their VAs?
Why is only American VAs the one who are bitching then? They are not some indie publishers who only release their games in english, their releases are all multilanguage

Hopefully bad voice acting comes back, its funny and you can always just turn voices off. That obviously bottom gay guy always cracks me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bangt7d9vGA

>>380385210
we'd rather them pay them even cheaper so we can get more voices and dialogue in smaller games. VAs already have cartoons and shit.

>>380385375
But EA could be the villain EVERY WEEK. Them and Randy Pitchford.

>>380385596
And Antony "I made a character literally so my sister could voice it" Burch.

>>380385596
But the VA industry has a Burch, and she happens to be a loud one, so /v/ can direct their hate and feel justified in it.

Oh no, now developers can't get the same 5 men and the same 3 women to voice every character ever!

>>380375221
God rest his soul

>>380385210
it's believeable, but they want royalties, they want to be paid more than the developers who actually worked on the gameplay. That's just outlandish.

>buying a video game just for the voice actor

Literally never happened

>>380366073

Good riddance.

That entire career track could use some new blood.

>>380385210
>So why so much defense for them? Is it just some sick brand loyalty? Your average VA isn't rolling in dough

I don't care about voice acting and I don't feel like paying $10 more for videogames.

>>380366073
Who is replacing her as Chloe anyway?

>>380385481
Have you looked at all into the VA situation in other countries? Have you taken into account the difference in a living wage in America and these countries? Are you just trying to say "it's not a problem in these places!" because you know no one cares enough to find out if other places have a problem at all?
>>380385861
I'll be honest, I don't even know much of what she does. I know here brother wrote Borderlands or some other shit, I don't know, and that he's a cuck. That's it.
>>380385953
Then, that's it. Their demands are a bit high, and they should focus on what's realistic. Devs deserve a lot more, but it's harder for them to organize and make a stand. Hopefully that will change someday.

Honestly, I think about how devs could have done a lot to gain independence though stuff like Kickstarter, but already rich fucks like Inafune and Schafer poisoned the well for them, and now they're fucked.

>>380386095
How come those assholes doing VA work for Overwatch aren't striking?
And I know that Freeman is in a Union, that was one of the things that nearly fucked over him reprising Alucard in Hellsing Ultimate.

>>380385953
Developers being scaredy bitches who are afraid to demand the fruit of their labors has no bearing on someone else demanding better treatment for their work.

Code monkeys CAN demand more.

Please stop making games with voice acting. Thank you.

>>380385210
This
>>380385953
Plus if they have to pay VA's more they'll just pass those costs onto the consumer. In this case the voice actors are basically fucking us by proxy. Not only that, but they're asking for our support while they do it.

Pack of cunts really.

>>380386480
>Their demands are a bit high, and they should focus on what's realistic.
They had like a full year for that and the strike still went ahead and has been going for half a year.
At this point I don't think they want anything but the royalties.