So is SotC getting a remaster or something? That's pretty

>remastering a game that is perfectly playable and already has a hd version
what's the point?

it's a remake you dolts

>>380309012
There's nothing perfectly playable about those controls and camera

>>380309012
Backwards compatibility is shit according to sony so please buy our remasters

>>380309368
>There's nothing perfectly playable about those controls and camera
the way sonyfags talk about SotC you would think it was the greatest game ever made though

>>380309012
I'm not buying a ylod machine.

>>380309012
It's a remake. Maybe they're adding the cut colossi, or even creating new ones specifically for this game.

>>380309439
Or sub to PS Now for a smooth and modern streaming experience.

>>380309487
It's bullshit.

>>380309368
yeah good thing The Last Guardian had great controls and camera, lots of confidence in team ico :)

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I was just about to buy the HD Collection and now I'm so conflicted on what to do.

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>tfw 2017 trailer looked exactly as I remembered the game in 2005 for the first time
>tfw I know it'll look like a blocky, polygonal mess if I replay it on my PS2

Fuck.

>>380309368
This is what I'm most interested in.

I hope they fix that shit.

>>380309718
Buy it and play Ico

>>380309368
The controls are fantastic, chill out.

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I ain't buyin' this unless they add some new shit

okay-looking graphics won't do it for me

I never played the original despite wanting to since ps2. I missed the download when it was free, and I'm sure as hell not paying $20 for it

>>380309885
Yeah, missing ICO would suck if I just bought the Remaster. But since it is actually a remaster instead of a remake, I'm inclined to buy the HD Collection anyway, to play the classy version and compare them to each other.

As we were discussing yesterday

If it doesn't have the cut Colossi, it's pretty disappointing

>>380308339
Full fledged remake.

>>380309012
you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, shitspewer. you obviously never played the ps2 nor the ps3 version.

the ps2 version run at 22fps average dipping to single digits here and there and the ps3 port had all kinds of fucked up and unresponsive controls.

>>380309487
OoT is still one of the best games ever made despite the N64's technical limitations you shit sucking subhuman.

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>>380309747
Remake.

>>380310131
P C S X 2

>>380308339
There is every chance the remaster will be much worse than the current HD remaster. For a moment I thought it will be a proper sequel but I guess we just can't have nice things this year.

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>>380309747
>>380310850
PS2

>>380310657
Actually 30 in the world & drops to 20 & below in the fights

the grip physics were coded for 20fps, bluepoint didn't notice & sped them up to 30fps

>>380309368
>muh controls
spotted the casual shitter who sucks at video games.

>>380310657

So maybe they should cut their losses and not focus on trying to shove this shit game down our throats for the third fucking time.

>>380310657
>the ps2 version run at 22fps average dipping to single digits here and there
your PS2 is broken.
>unresponsive controls
stop sucking at video games.

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>>380310850
>>380311158
Yes. Shit drew me into the world hard.

Never played the original, was there any footage in the trailer that implied it wasn't an exact remake like where the colossi were or anything? Just wondering

>>380311272
who are you quoting?

>>380311640
Looked exactly the same, which is bad because after 12 years people want the cut colossi

8 were cut & 4 of them were pretty much finished & there is still evidence of them in the final game

>>380309718
If you wanna hold off on SOTC, but still want Ico, just buy Ico off the PSN store. It is the remastered version of the game.

>>380311862
>which is bad because after 12 years people want the cut colossi
It's not common knowledge but there was suppose to be 48 of them. SotC was the perfect storm of good and bad things happening during development. If that many or any more than there already was got into the game it almost certainly wouldn't have been as popular. More people would've dropped it. It did what it did good and didn't overstay its welcome.

no cut colossi no buy

I'm tired of "remakes" that just pretty up graphics and nothing else

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>>380311862
I hope we get them. They look neat.

>>380309670
Being made by Bluepoint ACTUALLY

Was the HD version that bad that they have to remake it?

>>380312827
It's fine, but it was released 6 years ago. SotC is worth preserving and updating in each generation for the benefit and education of faggits.

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>>380308339
I've tried repeatedly and not been able to get on with it at all, so I'm actually pretty hype for this.
Of course something entirely new would be preferable. But it does feel odd that I've completed Ico and TLG multiple times and SotC not once.

>>380308339
Shadow of the Colossus for ps2 is a perfect game in every way except framerate. Remaking it exactly the same with current gen graphics, 60fps at 4k is fine with me. Of course, they'll fuck it up somehow because nobody knows how to do anything right in the video games industry.

>>380312330
Changes in a remake should only be something that was broken in the original game.
If additional content/levels are made it should be optional as to not ruin the fun of nostalgia fags.
Bonus points for including audio/video settings so you can switch it to the old game.

Would be the perfect way to do it but nobody will ever do something like this.

>>380312330
This isn't made by Ueda. Personally, I want as little changes as possible to preserve his vision. Don't want some fat american shitlord smearing Ueda's creative vision with dorito smelling fingers

>>380313691
I mostly agree, but if it's cut content that was almost finished but didn't quite make it into the original game, there's not really an excuse. I don't think people would have any cause to complain about the almost-finished colossi being added

Perfect chance for them to add in the cut Colossi.

>>380314103
> I don't think people would have any cause to complain about the almost-finished colossi being added
You'd be surprised. I think it's best to jut make a really nice remake of the game, all pristine and mostly untouched.

>muh remakes

there's nothing more cancerous

>>380314410
>there's nothing more cancerous
Shitposting, console wars and redditors.

>>380313691
if that remake trailer would have said something of the lines of "with 3 never before seen collosus added" it would have been game of e3. besides, it's not like there's much of any plot to the game, so it wouldn't ruin any flow

>>380310657
what's wrong with 22fps? that's a cinematic fps for a cinematic game

>>380314410
there are plenty things more cancerous, idiot.

>>380314724
>it's not like there's much of any plot to the game, so it wouldn't ruin any flow
Get the fuck out of here you casul scum

t. lead loremaster

The models animations and lighting are all a bit off, annoys me
but otherwise looks good

I need new content though, like cut colossi

>>380309368
Never got why so many people complained about the controls. I never felt like they got in the way.

>>380309368
SotC is alright. It's The Last Guardian that had those problems

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>>380315182
>The models animations and lighting are all a bit off
the ultimate, unquantifiable criticism of remakes by nerds who NEED, DESPERATELY to have something to complain about

the soul isn't there!

>>380314984
i would hope the loremaster knows the difference between plot and story

>>380315308
It's not controls they had a problem with, it's lag due to shit FPS. They're just too stupid to understand the problem so it became MUH CONTROLS

So long as it's a 1:1 remake with a stable framerate I'd be happy to play it again.

>>380308339
>SotC with TLG controls
Oh god. OH GOD.

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It looks like some fan made Unreal Engine remake like those you see on YouTube. It doesn't have the artstyle of the original, it looks generic as fuck. Since Ueda probably isn't going to direct it, it's might be shit. I hate to say this word because it's pretty vague, but this remake does look so souless.

>>380315445
just because you cant notice details
team ico games have a distinct look with their bloom lighting and halo effects and that's not here

Just look at some Last Guardian footage and then this trailer, it doesnt look like a team ico game

>>380316040
How does the artstyle look any different to the original?

>>380316040
>>380316134
the pedants are here

Imagine if PS5 gets 60fps,
you are gonna get a shit ton of remakes even its already on PS4

>>380316040
>looks like some fan made Unreal Engine remake
this. the assets are quality but its like they are using the engines default shaders and lighting

There will be cut Colossi

As as Season pass

>>380309012
Tha's the exact feeling I had watching the trailer.
It just seems so useless right now.

>>380316167
It has none of the light effects and the bloom that SotC and Ico had. Notice also how fucking pinkish Wander's skin is.

>>380316257
>>>380316134
>a person who is excessively concerned with minor details
yep that's me, i do care about the minor details of a remake of my favourite game

hopefully they change the ending this game was mean

>>380309718
Buy it

This remake looks like shit.

>>380316679
>excessive
that's the key word

>>380316402
dont even joke m8

>>380316550
That's not the artstyle, then.

>>380312756
Fucking dropped then, no wonder it looks wierd as fuck.

>>380317131
not the guy your arguing with but
wat

>>380317446
Art style would be changing the designs of the Colossi or the HUD, not altering bloom effects.

>>380309439
Fan games are shit according to nintendo so please buy our "remakes" with N64 graphics.

>>380317874
Lighting and bloom ARE part of the artstyle.

>>380317874
man u is dumb
of course shaders, lighting and effects are part of the art style. and if you dont want to call it that they are a part of the way the game looks, which he is saying has changed

>>380318138
Eh, debatable. But you're probably still wrong about this anyway, there will be bloom and god rays in the game.

>>380318138
>>380318340
No, they're effects.
Art style is design of the environment, of the characters and how they're portrayed in their characteristics.
As in, taking a drawing as example, the art style remains 100% unchanged from the the early sketch to the detailed sketch to the line art to the coloring and to the final effects.
Same goes for videogames, adding or removing effects won't change the art style.

>>380318340
You meant that shaders, lighting, effects , and art style are part of the art direction.

>>380318902
just because lighting, sahders and bloom and stuff are done by the computer and not an asset made by a person does not mean they are not part of the art style

Like you can draw a shaded or unshaded picture
but in video games the lighting is done by code, so how that code is set up effects the artstyle, as lighting is part of the visuals

you wouldn't say lighting in a picture wasn't part of the art style
or is someone drew halo effects around something you wouldnt say it wasnt part of the art style
so why way it just because the computer is doing it

>>380310850
>>380311158
>>380311518
Remake is not worth it when you have this artstyle in HD version, for someone that played the last 2 versions. I'll still get it IF they add something new and significant (lost Collosi); also it will be cool for people who where born when the original came out.

>>380308339
just take ur shit out . it is METROID TIME NOW FUCK OFF SONYPONY

>>380319617
whats the difference between art style and art direction man
you are just being a cunt with words

Its obvious what we are saying, IT LOOK DIFFERENT, and it does, and thats all there is to this argument

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>yfw they're gonna redo the animations

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>>380316550
The more rosy coloration of Wander's skin is the only thing that concerns me so far about what's been shown from an artistic perspective. I'd guess it's just to increase the contrast between the start of the journey and the end, making the gradual desaturation of his skin more noticeable. But only time will tell.

>>380320318
You are being an underage idiot, art style is what >>380318902 said, all the things you listed put togheter are art direction. It's not hard and it's common knowledge.

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>>380308339
What's the point?

The ADHD, cowadoody-twitch-streaming-youtube-watching kids today won't appreciate this for what it is.

They'll call it boring because it has no enemies other than the colossi or because it lacks any sort of leveling up or le epik skills upgrades or crafting or looting.

They wont appreciate the loneliness and sense of wonder of galloping through the forest or the canyons in search of the next colossi.

I can already picture them complaining about it not having a map or any objective markers telling them where to go next, and the hint you do get which is the sword and a tiny ray of light won't be enough for these spoon-fed babies to know what to do.

I am excited for a remake with modern graphics but that's because I played the original and I know what to expect, but if you leave it to the modern gamers who grew up with call of duty and youtube, this game will suffer and its legacy will be forever tarnished.

>>380320759
Guarantee they won't do this
Remakes by different devs always forget these little things

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>>380321407
are you trying to make me sad?

because it's working

>>380321013
they mean the same thing
you are splitting hairs

>>380321609
the 15yo indian pooinloo underpaid Sony guy that does facebook pr duty doesn't even know what that word means. Leave em alone, all is lost

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>>380322174
But it is on twitter as well.

>>380319745
>just because lighting, sahders and bloom and stuff are done by the computer and not an asset made by a person does not mean they are not part of the art style
What?
I didn't say anything on how the effects are applied, it makes no difference, effects on a drawing can obviously be created y hand, still they're not part of the art style

>>380319745
>you wouldn't say lighting in a picture wasn't part of the art style
I just did, because that's how it is.
If an artist drew, as example, a storm on an ocean with a lighthouse in the distance, then colored it in b/w with the various shades, then colored it, and then added various effects to the lightnings, to the light of the lighthouse, and to the reflections in the water, the art style would still remain unchanged from the line art to the final colored drawing with effects, because none of that affects the art style.

What effects are is presentation, art direction, not art style.

>>380320318
>you are just being a cunt with words
Flash news, words have meaning, different words for different meaning, their meaning doesn't magically change just because you decide to arbitrarily swap them out of your ignorance on their meaning.

>>380322174
I hope the guy said that wrong then.

>>380309012
$$$

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>>380321609
It's the same game, just has a complete graphical overhaul like Halo Anniversary Edition, ie a remaster.

>>380319923
This. The game in its original state was amazing, so much effort was put into graphical concerns, delicate attention to shading, film grain style effects, motion blur that wasn't shit (once you got used to it). The staff at that time cared immensely.

>>380322761
Maybe, but it seems more likely it's a remake.

>>380309012
>a game that is perfectly playable
Have you ever played it? It chugs down to sub-15 or sub-10 fps at times. The PS2 did not handle it well.

>>380321826
>they mean the same thing
except they don't?
I guess for you direction of photography, movie direction, and scene direction mean the same thing then.

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>>380322447
Of course lighting is part of the art style, this is one of the most retarded conversations i have ever been in on 4chan

Are you going to tell me Redlines hard black shadows aren't part of the art style
or jet set radios cell shading isn't part of the art style

Would have been better for a 4K/60fps remaster with 24 Colossi

Or a fucking sequel

>>380322761
we dont know that for certain yet
the animations are also different

>>380308339
>Sony 3 days ago
"Who wants to play these ancient games?"

Better buy those remasters!
#ForTheShareholders

It's being made by Bluepoint, the guys that reverse engineered retail copies of MGS2 and 3 for the remaster, and they kept everything in tact. So it might be good.

>>380308339
was it the only game on e3 without niggers or stronk wymyn?

>>380323227
I need to rewatch Redline. One of my favorite movies.

>>380323385
The animations looked exactly the same as the original to me.

>>380323502
They need to fix the physics problem being tied to the framerate. That was quite the oversight in the PS3 version and made some colossi frustrating.

>>380323870
well go look again
wanders run being the most obvious

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>>380308339
I platinumed the PS3 version, not sure if I want to beat the time trials on both difficulties ever again.

It's not that I have anything against this mode in the first place, it's just that the unlocked stuff could be placed in the barren world as exploration reward without problems.

>>380316167
The color grading is all wrong

>>380308339
>a masterpiece so good, so classic, that it must be remastered not once but twice

I am actually okay with that.

>>380326078
It's cause the PS3 port sucked

>>380308339
Its not even a good game, extremely overrated
also the graphics still look really bad

>>380324159
Looks like the same flailey running animation

>>380326616
Im not saying they have gone for a different style, im saying it is not the exact same animation file, they have recreated their own and it looks a bit different

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>>380308339
What if they add in more Colossi, including those that didn't make the original game?

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>>380309012
>>380309368
>>380309718
>>380309747
>>380309778
It's a remake not a remaster, they're adding the cut colossi, making the world bigger, adding normal enemies, adding a weather system,more combat moves and items and changing the colossi weak points

>>380327678
nice source

>>380327838
stop shitposting

>>380322761
You need to learn the diffrence between a remaster and a remake anon.

>>380327678
Who here would honestly be okay with this? Throw in some dungeons Zelda style and you got a better Zelda game than Zelda games themselves.

>>380327678
Its a remake if you remake stuff

Although if the gameplay code and animation files are the same then you could say its somewhere between a remake and remaster

>>380328473
they just had a remaster, why would they make another remaster?
It's definitely a remake.

>>380328625
Because money you moron.

It's not a remake the game looks exactly the same outside of graphics.

FF7R is a remake, the game is completely changed.

>>380328473
So nearly every actual remaster is a remake? FFX, Uncharted, MGS, all remade.

>>380328105
>you got a better Zelda game than Zelda games themselves.

I doubt that's possible

Shoud I :
>Play PS2 verson on my CRT
>Play PS3 version on my HDTV
>Wait for PS4 version ?

>>380328993
Emulate it on your PC. It's the only way to experience 4k 60fps.

>>380328879
>FFX, Uncharted, MGS, all remade.
lol no they werent, its 99% the same assets with a few things remade, or the high res/poly versions of things put in

>>380328982
reddit

>>380329214
>Emulating
Nah I don't like playing older games on normal screens.
Also emulating kind of kills the comfyness

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>>380328879
>It's not a remake the game looks exactly the same outside of graphics.

Exactly so why the fuck would they call it SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS
it's not called SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS HD or REMASTER.
It's a fucking remake. You don't need to change the combat for it to be a remake, you just need to change a few things and overhaul the graphics.

>>380329312
>99%
Putting aside this bullshit, then 1% still counts and therefore the games are remade according to you.

>>380321407
m8 they liked it because pewdiepie, jacksepticeye, and markplier played it and said that it was their favorite game.

>>380308339
What I want the most from this remake is to fix that fucking janky as shit running animation.
It's so awful seeing him flailing his arms around that I always kept out the sword because it was far less embarrassing to watch.

>>380329489
Then play it on your CRT at high-res you retard.

>comfyness
I didn't realize you were a retard.

>>380327678
>adding normal enemies
That one's a mistake, IMO. Fundamentally misunderstands what made the original so striking was how goddamn LONELY it was. There wasn't any living thing in the whole world except you and the colossi.

You start sticking "regular" enemies in there and it's just going to start looking like you're trying to make another BotW (and failing, probably, given the amount of time and resources it took to get that monstrosity out the door).

>>380327028
This is what I'm hoping they do.

>>380329521
It's objectively a remaster nigger. Remasters leave the game alone and update visuals.

>>380329557
nahh come on dont be pedantic
theres a pretty big difference between 100% of all art assets being remade, and a few being tweeked

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>Remaking a game you can beat in a hour
I'd rather have a remake of ICO

How the fuck don't people know the difference between remake and a remaster?

What the fuck happened bros?

>>380330072
SummE3 fags

>>380329971
>nahh come on dont be pedantic
You're literally talking to yourself right now because you placed those goal posts.

There's no difference as far as classification goes. It's still a remaster.

FF7R is a REMAKE.

SOTC is a remaster.

Stop arguing like a faggot.

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>>380328993
It runs like shit on PS2 and emulation is buggy and doesn't have the upgrades the PS3 one has.

PS3 version is great. We'll have to wait and see about the PS4 version. I fear they might ruin the artstyle. I might be too pessimistic but the trailer looked tome like someone went "push that HDR shit it in because that's a thing now".

>>380328105
>>380328982
>Throw in some dungeons Zelda style and you got a better Zelda game than Zelda games themselves.
Something I've been thinking about a lot is that part of what's so striking about BotW is that it steals a lot of SotC's best ideas. The landscape is huge and forbidding and empty. The monsters are BIG and will often just smack the crap out of you if you're not prepared for them. You can approach them in any order, though trying to sequence-break too much is often a mistake.

More than that, I think the homage is totally intentional. There's this one huge bridge in zelda, and there's a shot in the trailer of link riding a horse down it that looks EXACTLY like the opening of SotC. And there's even a couple large enemy types that you literally have to stun and climb up their bodies to attack a hidden weakpoint.

>>380330479
Thanks.
Is the PS3 version 16/9 only ?

>>380309747
Seems that the environments that are getting upgrades. The colossis are literally the same with the lighting upgrade, really makes you wonder how they did that on fucking ps2.

>>380327678
>normal enemies

Let's hope not

>>380330479
>and emulation is buggy
It is not.

>and doesn't have the upgrades the PS3 one has.
There were none.

>PS3 version is great
720p and the PAL version is not great.

>>380330025
why is that ladder there

>>380330307
I was arguing it was between a remake and remaster

we know all the art assets are being remade, thats enough to argue its a remake BUT we dont have all the details, so for all we know all the gameplay and physics code is being made from scratch in wich case it would be a remake

>>380330479
PS3 didn't have any upgrades, except buggy grip controls

>>380320759
Just change the skin color.

>start white
>ends being blacked

>>380330747
>There were none.
Yeah... no
https://youtu.be/FAQjESB4WOk?t=786

>>380329953
No it's not. A remaster uses mostly the same game code but updates the graphics assets (higher-res textures, higher-poly models etc.). There is no fucking way they're using anything from the original engine for this (except maybe stuff like AI/scripts) plus they've remade literally every asset/model/level.

>>380327678
So you're saying they are ruining the game?

>>380331168
What are you trying to prove here?

I already played the game multiple times 12 years ago. I don't need to play it again.

>>380331135
see
>>380331168

>>380313983
Developed by Japan Studio. They know what they're doing.

So for those of you who already played the Ps2/Ps3 versions: What will they need to add to make you buy it full price? Changes to the puzzles? The cut colossi? Gameplay changes? Or is the prettier visuals enough?

For me the PS3 version is already pretty enough so the graphics update isn't enough. But if they add the new colossi and a hardmode from start I might pick it up some time after release.

>>380309584
no proof on this, source?

>>380330747
>There were none.
silky smooth framerate.

>720p
better than 480i.

>PAL version is not great.
explain.
it's the only version I have, and it's superb

>>380331190
>a remaster uses mostly the same game code but updates the graphics assets
No. Gravity Rush and FFX have completely new game code and updates every singly graphical asset.

Is it a remake? No you fucking loser so shut the fuck up already. SOTC is a remaster. It's the same fucking game.

What the is wrong with you?

>>380331356
Pointing out the enhancements made for the ps3 version

>>380331389
No they don't.

>>380321481
Wanderer's appearance changing is not a small thing. It's like Trico's horns growing.

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>>380327678
>adding normal enemies

>>380309368
Is it too complicated for you?

>>380331586
There were none. We're talking about emulation remember?

>>380331582
You don't even know the difference...

>>380308339

I love the fact that miserable cunts like Totalbiscuit and Jim Sterling will never "get" SOTC

it will always be a 10/10 game even with sketchy controls

>>380331190
>A remaster uses mostly the same game code but updates the graphics assets
no
a remaster is the same thing just shown better

when you remaster a movie, you dont shoot new scenes, you just take the old film reel and clean it up/put it on a newer format

>>380331791
>You don't even know the difference...

Shitposter

>>380331419
Cut colossi
Classic grip and stamina mechanics
Better camera
Better Agro controls during colossi fights

>>380331692
Even with a tiny budget they can make excellent and unique games, like Echochrome and Gravity Rush.
The only bad games they made in their entire career was due to an external director.

>>380331920
And that's why SOTC here is a remaster. It's the same shit.

>>380331791
>There were none. We're talking about emulation remember?

Better textures, better motion blur, better draw distance. Did you even watch the video?

It even shows the bugginess of pcsx2 later on.

>>380327678
>adding normal enemies, adding a weather system
if you took these out it would sound believable
i do hope there's bonus content though

>>380332085
no its completely remade
are you blind

>>380332427
>literally making up shit
(You).
It shows him using a build from 2012, the game has been perfect for years.

>>380322860
i saw a document on the rendering systems of fur, lighting and colossi, also the motion blur and lots of other shit, the amount of work and smartness about it is astounding, they did so much with so little

>>380332575
>no its completely remade
>ARE YOU BLIND
Are you fucking retarded? Visual changes only = remaster. Fucking dumb nigger.

The game is exactly the same, the world and collossi are identical as well as the gameplay.

New graphics only = purely remastered.

>>380332992
>the world and collosi are identical
Source? You sound like a bitter faggot making shit up sorry.

>>380332427
still fucks the controls & makes you have to exploit one of the time trails

also digital foundry is dense as fuck when it comes to emulation, they just load up the ISO & wonder why it's not accurate, this isn't SNES roms anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1GlCs4d9zM

>>380333193
>ARE YOU BLIND
So it's you who is blind. Kill yourself you blind nigger.

Should've just called it a remake, since there's already a remaster on PS3 people will think this versions just a port.

>>380332992
When they remake a movie years later with the same story they dont call it remaster do they, its a remake

if you are remaking all assets, its a remake

>>380333405
The other game was always a port, this is an actual remaster.

>>380332623
Checking the PCSX2 wiki:

Over-bloom

Status: Active
Type: Serious
Description: An emulation error causes the bloom lighting too be high, making it difficult to see much of the screen when out in bright locations.
Workaround: Enable the "Aggressive CRC" hack in the GSdx plugin settings. This will significantly reduce the amount of bloom.

Alternatively use Software Rendering mode for perfect fix.
Texture Misalignment

Status: Active
Type: Minor
Description: Raising the internal resolution causes certain textures to become misaligned. This largely consists of the bloom on Shadow Creatures, Pigeons, Wander's Sword, and Mono's Dress to be placed to the upper-left of their proper position. (does not occur in software Mode)
Workaround: Go to Config > Video (GS) > Plugin Settings, click "Enable HW Hacks", go to Configure Hacks and enable the "Half-Pixel Offset" hack(no longer working in PCSX2 v1.2.1). Using TC offset 350, 350 instead of the half pixel offset hack fixes flickering borders and misaligned motion blur, but causes issues with distant terrain. Alternatively set the Internal Resolution to native or set the Renderer to any of the software modes.

>>380333321
not him, different poster asking for source. you are just lying and pathetic

>>380331562
>It's the same fucking game.
Which is the whole point, it's just a very faithful remake. If everything is remade/re-created from scratch it's a fucking remake.

>Gravity Rush and FFX have completely new game code and updates every singly graphical asset.
No, those are both the original games with different models and textures (which is why they still don't look anything like modern games, due to limitations.)

>>380333564
The pcsx2 wiki is also outdated, fancy that.

>There was a new colossi in the trailer

HURRR IT'S A REMASTER NOT A REMAKE

>>380333774
>>There was a new colossi in the trailer
no there wasnt you nigger

>>380333774
Really? At what point?

>>380333774
>a new colossi
triggered

>>380308339
Can they finally add the extra half finished colossuses as bonus content at least

>>380333490
A remake is a different story with different actors. A remaster is the same movie that looks different. And yes they exist why are you pretending they don't?

This goes for games too.

FF7R = remake because it's completely different
SOTC = remaster because it's exactly the same

>>380333649
Nah you're him, only you are this fucking retarded.

>>380310131
Then you won't play it bitch or go pirate it
Fucking shite, refuse to pay 20 dollars for one of the best games from the 2000s

>>380333564
Outdated, the OpenGL plugin & it's new options vastly improves accuracy

>>380327678
What kid of person would just post lies anonymously on the internet?!

>>380333986
Source that this game is the exact same? you have none, lying and bitter lol

A remaster is just a higher resolution port you fucking retard. This is a remake.

>>380330813
So you can climb it.

>>380333971
explain

>>380330813
what if the waterway breaks? You gotta be able to climb up to repair it

>>380333986
if the story is the same but the actors are different its still called a remake

a remaster is just cleaning up the master film reals

butthurt PC gamers praying hard that there's no new content in ps4 release: the thread

>>380333695
>No, those are both the original games with different models and texture
There is no difference between these games and SOTC here except SOTC had a higher budget.

Everything visual was remade in all three games, and all three games are remasters because the games are still identical.

Stop being fucking stupid you nigger. Your own post is contradicting itself and you're so fucking stupid you can't even see that.
>>380334161
The trailer.

Source that it's completely different? This is your argument. You're arging that SOTC here which is evidently the same game, is completely different.

Fucking retarded niggers.

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did they add the giant turkey yet?

>>380333564
The bloom is fixed and the texture misaligning is easy to fix

On that note, how the hell you able to go to pcsx2 wiki. It's dead.

>>380334345
point in the trailer were the new colossi is dummy

>>380332992
Give it up, remaster literally means you create a new master using the original master as a source and then do tweaks and fixes to it. If you re-do everything from scratch then it's a remake, re-recording, re-creation etc. Whether it's very faithful or not has nothing to do with it.

>Adding cut colossi

Why would they do this when they can sell it as is and then do that for the PS5?

>>380334569
> remaster literally means you create a new master using the original master as a source and then do tweaks and fixes to it.
Which is what this game is.

Wow you must really enjoy making yourself look retarded.

>>380308339
a remake of a remaster
JUST

>>380334420
fuck off sonyfag, you probably haven't even played it, now go play COD & FIFA

>>380321609
>>380322429
>UK
>EU
No one cares what 3rd worlders say.

>>380334738
How is remaking 100% of art, animations and effects anything like what you just said

>>380334569
>remaster literally means you create a new master using the original master as a source and then do tweaks and fixes to it.
So SOTC IS a remaster? Dang fuck you Sony.
>If you re-do everything from scratch then it's a remake, re-recording, re-creation etc.
So Gravity Rush and FFX was remade? Dang thanks Sony.

>>380334915
They haven't played it. They're saying the game was remade when it looks identical.

>>380330025
>Remaking a game you can beat in a hour
>I'd rather have a remake of ICO
The irony of that post.

>>380335014
The horse and colossus animations are the same.

>>380335075
>Gravity Rush and FFX
how are they everything from scratch you literal retard

>>380335075
Remakes have to look completely different now? Someone tell Resident Evil 1 they fucked bad then.

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When is he gonna make new games??

>>380335248
>asking dumb as fuck questions
>calling others retards
Typical Sony Nigger.

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>spent a lot of time developing this tech
>game essentially turned out to be a tech demo
>game doesn't sell well

It makes perfect sense to remake SotC using what they learned from The Last Guardian to bump up funds for the next project.

Doesn't take that much brainpower you bunch of fucking clowns.

>>380327678

>normal enemies

Why would anyone think you should ever do that to SotC? Disgusting.

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>>380330681
Here's what I was thinking of. Starts at 1:15 of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rPxiXXxftE

This little sequence reminded me so much of SotC, I started thinking of BotW as a spiritual sequel to it instead of zelda.

>>380335481
'They' didn't make TLG and this game has nothing in common with it either. It's funny that you're talking about brainpower when you're dumb as fuck.

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I guarantee they will add new Colossi in a Season pass

But they won't be the beta ones except maybe Sirius since he was actually 100% complete but Ueda didn't think he was that good

The other ones don't really fit in with the consistency of the colossi, a giant tape worm, a demon, spider & a fucking monkey would feel like fan faction

But Ueda clearly isn't working on this so Sony Japan/Bluepoint might not give a shit

>>380335439
you cant answer the question can you

>>380330681
>>380335548
>there's a bridge

OMG IT WAS A HOMAGE TO SOTC

>>380335481
It's being made by a different company on a different engine

>>380335803
>calling someone more knowledgeable than you a literal retard is a question now
You're a Sony nigger and you don't even play Sony games. I'm done with you.

>>380333986
>A remaster is the same movie that looks different.
No, a remaster is literally going back to the film masters and making a better transfer and maybe doing some cleanup.

There's no equivalent for games, but by analogy it's commonly taken to mean "the same game with better resolution / framerate / textures / whatever", since the effect is similar.

If the actual content or gameplay are changed, then it's not that.

>>380336041
how are they everything redone when its the same game and same assets ported. I know ffx had the faces re models and some texture upresed but thats not "everything" is it

>>380336185
>No, a remaster is literally going back to the film masters and making a better transfer and maybe doing some cleanup.
Exactly what I said.

>There's no equivalent for games
Fucking mong.

>>380327678
N O S O U R C E
What's with underage posters taking everything they see here at face value? Morons like this guy can say whatever bullshit he wants and they'll gobble it up like goldfish. Where is scepticism?

>>380336185
>There's no equivalent for games
HD ports

If stuffs remade its a remake
a movie remake with the same story is still a remake

>>380336336
>and same assets ported
Okay champ, keep shitposting.

You already lost.

>>380336041
>you win I have no more arguments
Nice one

>>380308339
>i've never played
gtfo, lurk and play more, you are pure leddit

>>380335698

I doubt they will add new monsters

the original game for $40 would be reasonable

>>380336632
So every Bluepoint game is a remake according to this dumb nigger who can't allow himself to lose an argument no matter how wrong he is.

>>380313327
>60fps at 4k

Temper your expectations

>>380334738
No because IT'S NOT USING the actual original game as a base. It's using the original concepts, designs etc. and REMAKING them.

If you re-record the same song with the same artist, the same instruments, the same arrangement, and it ends up sounding mostly the same, it's still not a fucking remaster, because you didn't create the new version from the original recording.

>>380336640
are you really so retarded that you think they remodelled everything in the entire game and also got it to look exactly the same

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>>380336871
>No because IT'S NOT USING the actual original game as a base.
Yes it is. Feel free to lie about the game being completely changed though despite the trailer proving you wrong.

>>380336968
They don't look the same because they're completely different. Every single asset in these games were remade, but they are still remasters.

>>380336843
Honestly would not be surprised if it's still only 1080/30fps on Pro

>>380336829
no because everything else that have done has just been a port
this is there first remake every asset game

>>380330681

SoTC was explicitly inspired by the Zelda franchise, not the other way around.

>>380337119
>Every single asset in these games were remade
no they weren't you mong

>>380337126

it will be 1800p30 or 4k30 which is fine in a thirdperson SP game

>>380337119
>game being completely changed
That's what I've been trying to explain to you but you're just too fucking dense. It doesn't matter if nothing's changed, remaster/remake is defined through the process by which the new version was created, not how similar it ends up.

>>380337251
They remade assets in all of their games, some games completely remade like Gravity Rush.

According to your nigger ass the entire game is remade. But you're just a nigger so we all know you're wrong and fucking dumb.

>>380337432
Look at this champion nigger still going.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-gravity-rush-remastered-on-ps4
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-final-fantasy-x-x2-hd-remaster-ps4-face-off

>>380337617
>which is fine in a thirdperson SP game
I'll stick to 60fps thanks, enjoy paying $60 for a 14 year old game that runs like shit though.

>made by another team
this worries me, Shadow of the Colossus had such amazing animation combined with ragdoll, I feel like they're gonna muck it up somehow.

>>380337697
are you gonna quote a specific line in those articles?

>>380337126

It would make their lies extremely blatant compared to the lies of previous years.

But how often are they held accountable for their lies anyway, right? Might as well go big.

But yeah. EXPECTING a fucking console to be able to put out decent craphics at 60 fps 4k when a 1080 TI has trouble doing that in many AAA games, well that seems fucking retarded. If it happens, its a pleasant surprise. But they'll have to cut a lot of corners to get it, and it wont look like the trailer anymore.

>>380337692
And this game is a remaster because they didn't remake the game. They only updated the visuals. Even if they added content like the removed bosses, it's still just a remaster.

Otherwise DMC4 SE is a remake too. Is that a remake in your dumb nigger eyes as well? I guess it is.

>>380337975
Feel free to point out where I'm wrong, chimp.

>>380337908

TLG occasionally ran like shit and was better than anything on PC in 2017

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>>380338406

>>380308339
That's the only good thing about this. I get enthuse with people who never played it before.

If you've already played this and still own it, and you buy it again; you're part of the problem.

>>380338153
you quoted the articles to prove that you are right, were in the article does it prove you are right

I can see with my fucking eyes that the vast majority of things are using the same models

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Noodles
heres a link for chicken super noodles, prove that it doesnt show im right

>>380337975
>>380338636
You're fucking pathetic.

>>380338895
and you are a nigger

>>380338153
>They only updated the visuals.
No they've remade the entire game from scratch in a completely new engine (remake). This is not the same as taking an old game, hacking the code so it'll play at higher resolution, and then swapping out the texture and model files (remaster).

As has already been pointed out, by your definition Resident Evil GC is a remaster of the original PSX game, and no one calls it anything but remake.

>>380339001
False. You're pulling shit out of your ass.

>>380339001
But they haven't, as you can clearly see.

RE is a remake because everything about the game is fundamentally different.

>>380339127
Please point out the the falsehoods (there are none.)

>>380309012
The point is the PS4 does not have backwards compatibility, and they can sell the game again for a profit.

It's bullshit, but it is an amazing game, so I'm glad even fags who missed it get another chance.

>>380309747
Then why don't you play it on the PS3?

>>380337617
Eh PS4 Pro has been disappointing recently with higher end titles

This remake looks like it's gonna chug hard on Vanilla PS4

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>>380337617
>30 which is fine in a thirdperson SP game

>>380327678

I would be fine with all of this except for the addition of normal enemies. Fuck that. One of the best things about SoTC is that there's no "normal" enemies, just the colossi. Adding enemies that aren't colossi would ruin the game.

>>380339304
It's exactly the same situation as SOTC. Same story, same characters, same locations, same game but remade.

The US version of the movie Funny Games is a shot-for-shot identical recreation of the original German language version, so by your logic the US is remaster? No.

>>380337617

It won't even manage that during fights. I'm betting you. 4k is a fucking mistake. Sony and Microsoft only say it because they know their audience is largely chimps. 1440p should be the highest resolution target for consoles.

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>>380340467
Forgot pic.

>>380340467
Wrong. SOTC is fundemtally the same therefor it's not remade. You're gaining nothing playing this remaster over the PS2 game, it's the same game.

RE is a completely different game. You can't even make proper comparisons.

>>380340664
>image proving you wrong by looking completely different
Nice remake there dumb nigger.

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>>380330025
>game you can beat in a hour

>>380340649
More like Consoles should stick to 1080p to push graphics more

wasting so much performance on sharper pixels is something that should just be privy to high end PC's, why the fuck Consoles thought it was a good idea is lame

>>380340689
If it has a new engine, new models etc., then yes it's remade
Remake isn't only limited to gameplay changes

>>380340689
its a remake because all the assets are remade
deal with it

>>380341147
>>380341163
So Gravity Rush and FFX was remade, cool. Thanks dumb niggers.

>>380341007
720p you mean. Consoles can't even handle 1080p.

>>380341379
>Gravity Rush and FFX
all assets weren't remade
deal it nigger

I fucking hate you retards

>>380341486
Yes they were and I proved that already.

You must be crying at this point, are you going to be okay, chimp?

>>380308339
those looked like the last guardians assets so it's actually a remake

>>380340689
REmake is not fucking fundamentally different, but that wasn't even my main point.

If you REMAKE everything from the ground up from the original scripts, designs etc. it's a REMAKE (as opposed to just sticking new assets in the old game.) It doesn't fucking matter how similar it ends up.

>>380340845
It looks just as different as SOTC does.

>>380341486
That's where you are wrong. FFX PS2 textures and animations are superior to the HD versions as they were redone entirely. FFX HD also had foliage and 2D backgrounds redone.
This was covered a while back in FF threads.

>>380341660
ya didnt prove anything
i asked you too but ya didnt

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>>380341660
>Yes they were and I proved that already.

>>380341928
some stuff was remade, im specifically saying that not EVERYTHING was remade

>>380341870
>REmake is not fucking fundamentally different
have you played resi 1?
REmale is fundimentally different, all dialogue is remade, physics and combat are remade, crimson heads, zombies come through doors, entire new gameplay segments and plots.

>>380341870
>REmake is not fucking fundamentally different,
Wew lad.

>>380341937
>>380341952
>posting sources isn't good enough for these monkeys
Look at the state of these Sony niggers.

>>380342107
Every single thing was remade.

confirmed 4K/60fps for PS4 Pro

>>380342315
no it wasnt you low iq silly boi

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>>380341379
Gravity Rush and FFX were new assets inserted into the old game. SOTC is new assets, in a new engine, in a new game, in a new adaptation of the original. But stay stupid, no one's going to agree with you.

>>380342886
>Gravity Rush and FFX were new assets
only some assets were new

>>380342107
The whole thing was remade. Even the 4:3 backgrounds were expanded to 16:9. As well as the UI, though I liked the PS2's one better because of aesthetic and portraits.
The derp face of Seymour was removed.

>>380343287
>The whole thing was remade
nope just some things

>>380342979
I don't know the details of Gravity Rush but most of the stuff in FFX was redone.

My point though is it doesn't really matter how big of a percentage of the assets were updated, if you stick something new into the old game like fucking mod, or create a new version by tweaking the original code, it's a remaster. If you redo everything from the ground up as a whole new game, it's a remake.

>>380327678
In short: they gonna apply a patch and charge full price for it. Got it.

I won't buy this until I know the 8 unused colossi are added in, but I have a hunch they will be

>>38034288
>>380342979
Keep lying to yourself nigger.

>>380327678
I'm okay in principle with all of this except adding normal enemies. That reeks of a team that misunderstands what made it great.

>>380344421
All 8 cut ones seems unlikely, i bet at least there will be one more as a throwback to the 17th rumors, but maybe we can get 2 or 4 more at least

I doubt the Spider or Worm will ever come back, they were too hard to get working despite how fucking cool they looked

>remaster of a remaster

wow I'm so hyped dudes

>>380333986
no the FF7R one is a reboot

>>380329898
I would probably pass out from happiness if this happened. The cut colossi look so cool

>>380345210
The phoenix one was complete but the ps2 shit itself because it couldnt render the fire effect or something.

The devil and the small dog like colossi were pretty complete as well. One of them even has their location intact in the game.

The worm and spider coudl happen as well but they'd need some serious adjusting.

>>380345605
>not understanding the difference between a remaster and a remake

>>380309012
Money, dinero, okane, shekels.

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>>380348673
Ever since I was in middle school when I first saw the unused colossi art/screenshots online, I always wanted to fight that spider, looking at it sent chills down my spine, this game better fucking have it in there

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>>380328982
Oh look, someone who never played the best Zelda game

It would have been freaking cool if it was Ueda polishing his own game like he wanted and how much he wanted I wish Taro could do something like that with his games , but without Ueda it could even be a case of anal rape.

That was unironically the best announcement for me and fuck you retards for not understanding the difference between a remaster and a remake

FF7 Remake might as well be a "remaster of the ps1" for you retarded, underage, console warring turds.

>>380348673
I believe the only ones 100% complete were Roc (Bird) & Sirius (Dog)

Roc was shown in a 2004 trailer & not only is Sirius's location still in tact in the final game, he also still has animation files on the disc

Both of them were cut because they were similar to other fights or not that great, but Ueda should have thrown fans a bone & put them in the HD version, he did say later on he regretted not doing so

People can't tell the difference between remake and remaster? What the fuck is wrong with this board?

>>380353645
full of childrens

>>380308339
I think it's the best way Sony could take the IP. SotC is a great and extremely unique game that really doesn't need a sequel at all. Updating it graphically to modern standards is a very reasonable way to make profit from it without making fans mad and/or dissapointed. I just hope the engine change doesn't screw up how the game feels. To this day i'm still impressed about how good climbing the colossi feels. It's something you really have to play for yourself to appreciate.

>>380353645
>FFX has a bunch of never released content in the west
>still considered a remaster

Explain this

>>380354098
Because there was no generation jump in the models or assets used. They just polished the already existing models and style so it would like THE SAME as the original, but cleaner.

On Shadow of the Colossus AND Final Fantasy VII Remake ( and others such as ratchet and clank on ps4) had assets with huge generation leap between the original and the remake, making them full on remakes, and not just polished remasterization.

Another example, the PS4 remaster port of FF VII is a remaster because it's the exact models of the ps1 but cleaner and more polished, but there was no visible generation leap in the new assets used.

If you're not 16, if you're not underage(which you probably are) this isn't hard to understand.

>>380355070
Sony are literally calling it a remaster though

>>380355730
Some PR pajeet idiots who don't know the difference (also 90% of the retards in this thread)