>tfw you will never have pic related >tfw you will forever

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>>380238331
I actually agree that a mouse combined with a controller is probably the most precise way to control something.

But instead of putting it on the mouse how about hold one of these in your left hand and using the mouse with the right? you can already do it.

>>380238331
>consolefags are ok with the delay from moving the stick from the left to the right
>consolefags are ok with dead zone in the stick after 2 months of use
>consolefags are ok with not being able to press Y X A and B at the same time

>Flightstick with a POV Hat in the left hand
>Mouse in the right hand

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It's really like keypads aren't a thing.

>>380240195
those are memepads

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>he hasn't gained mastery of the mouse

Truly, the sign of a casual

>>380238331
Because that would be a horrible waste of time, make you more inaccurate and offer no benefit.

>>380240442
you don't comprehend it my dude.

Uh, no thanks.

I agree that meese seem to have been left by the way-side in terms of innovation, but I don't agree with the proposed solution.

>>380238331
retard
for a basic movements in like an adventure game then MAYBE it would pass but in an FPS game where you have to make specific movements and aim at the same time it would never work

>>380238331
Try wiggling your thumb around in a similar range to an analog stick while moving your mouse and you'll know why it's not been done.

>>380241113
Sure it would.
You just have to put time into getting gud with it.

>>380241209
Do you mean like the 'pat your head, rub your stomach' difficulty humans have? You can snap out of it if you do it enough.

>>380238914
what is this?

>>380238331
As long as it's not on a shitty steel series product.

I would put an anag stick in my keyboard, not my mouse.

Anyway, anyone else here ever played a game with controller + mouse, or any other weird setup like that?

>>380240710
does this work on pc?

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They've got these

they suck

a thumbstick would be even worse

>>380241564
Yeah, I played borderlands 1 & 2 with it. In the end I just went full /comfy/ and ditched the mouse.

It works though, just have to prop the controller on your left hand on something so you don't keep having to adjust it

>>380241591
Yep, and the overwatch babbies are crying that using it is cheating

>>380238914
Where does my hand go

>>380238331
On paper it looks neat, BUT...
I'm trying to imagine actually using the stick and the mouse at the same time but my brain is basically returning logical errors.

>>380241912
The two buttons on the mouse are commonly used as lean, it's not had for me to imagine them easily being able to be used for movement.

i imagine it would be really uncomfortable to rest your hand on

>>380240710
the GOAT

lads seriously get this shit

>>380241912
>'m trying to imagine actually using the stick and the mouse at the same time

its easier and more natural than you think and many games have supported this for a long time. i did it with gta 4 ages ago to drive with a controller and briefly use a mouse for drive by precision aiming. used it a bunch in saints row games as well, makes the mayhem destruction missions actually too easy.

>>380238331
>you will forever have to keep tapping A & D keys to set yourself up in a window instead of easing a stick to the left/right
babies's first computer game? you use mouse for that retard and set yourself right 4k pixel accurate

for fuck's sake i'm this close to making tutorial how to use mouse properly for PC games

>>380238331
>Analogue
>on Mouse
That has to be dumbest idea anyone has ever come up with, ever.

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>>380242515
Explain instead of using insults

depute it
>superior linear movement
>superior mouse aim

You can't, because it's a great idea.

>>380242717

Anytime you move, you're going to be altering your aim.

>>380242717
It's a bad idea because putting two sets of X/Y axes in control of one hand is a recipe for disaster.

>>380242717
you don't understand how mouse +keyboard works and in fact is superior linear movement already??
let me roughly explain it to you
you move camera in conjunction with keyboard achieving perfect precision in any movement

>>380243069
I have my hand on my mouse right now, moving my thumb as if there were a stick there and my mouse isn't moving at all.

Is that what you meant? moving the stick will move my mouse? 'cause it doesn't.

>>380243132 see >>380241464

>>380243183
No amount of crappy explanations will change the fact that when I went to look out a window in Insurgency, I couldn't get it immediately right.

>>380243501
sounds like you need to play with your sensitivity

>>380243623
keyboard keys don't have sensitivity.

>>380243501
>No amount of crappy explanations will change the fact that when I went to look out a window in Insurgency, I couldn't get it immediately right.
only high amount of training will change the fact that you are console scum that got his first pc few month back

>>380242030
The two buttons on a mouse are commonly used for aiming and firing.

The fuck you one about using anything on a mouse for leaning? Most games don't even have that.

>>380242717
>superior linear movement
You do not move with your mouse.
>superior mouse aim
You are a retard

>>380243968
THE SIDE BUTTONS, AS DEPICTED IN THE OPENING IMAGE

>>380242717
Imagine using your hypothetic mouse to strafe while picking up and moving the mouse to turn quickly. It's shitty and awkward and a retarded idea which is why nobody has ever done it.

>>380244036
your moment is with the stick - on the side of the mouse

your aim is with the mouse - like any other mouse

>>380243968
>The two buttons on a mouse are commonly used for aiming and firing.

Common mouse has 4 buttons.

>>380244140
It's a highly efficient and effective idea that will improve your performance.

The awkwardness and initial difficulty will pass with time

>>380244226
>your moment is with the stick - on the side of the mouse

There are mice with a numpad on the side, only retard or person with one arm would use that to move.

If you have two hands, you are retarded to use mouse for movement, it's going to hinder your ability to aim.

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Hey guys I'm not that good at playing games but I think this is a great idea for a controller.

>>380243742
of course not you idiot? What else could I have possibly meant by that, do you think? Take your time

>>380243501
>No amount of crappy explanations will change the fact that when I went to look out a window in Insurgency, I couldn't get it immediately right.
The problem here is that you're clearly really new to FPS.

>>380244406
what the heck, thats a penis!

>>380240195
The thumbsticks on those aren't analog.

>>380244356
You can't even point a mouse at a window and are trying to tell people what is highly efficient and effective and improves performance.

>>380244406
Cute micro benis.

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>>380244406
that already exists anon

>>380244368
a retarded person would rather not have the superior linear movement.

>>380244496
the problem is that when I press the A & D keys, it moves me too far, thus I overshoot the window.

everyone who plays fps will know what I mean

>>380244852
press/tap*

>>380244852
>superior linear movement.
[citation needed]

I like how you think that float is superior to int

>>380244412
dummy, what don't you understand? a key press will make me overshoot the window, wtf will changing my mouse settings do?

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>>380244852
>everyone who plays fps will know what I mean
no

>>380245040
Useless clutter. There is never a situation where you don't want full speed.

>>380245040
>[citation needed]
Give me 10 mins, I'm going to make a recording
>>380245189
you'll see

>>380244567
They are. But devs are too dumb to let you use joystick + mouse

>>380245210
yes, so keyboard is better for that.

kinda why keyboard is bad for racing, because when you press button you go full tilt into a wall and you need to tap.

Keyboard is ON/OFF, analogue is 0.000 -> 1.000 with everything in the middle.

OP dont try and replace a keyboard, people who spent 100 dollars on their meme razer mechanical backlit keyboards will get mad at you

>>380245553
But seriously, there has to be a better way than WASD out there somewhere

>>380245553
he isn't trying to replace keyboard, he is trying to put analogue stick on a mouse.

>>380245640
You're thinking too small, it's not just about movelent itself. WASD is great because there's a dozen of other buttons in its immediate vicinity for all the controls you may ever want.

>>380245640
better for what?

>>380245708
Yeah, you still need all the keys on the keyboad. with my idea, not only do you have the keys (4 more), you have superior movement aswell

>>380245409
this is another explanation why linear analogue movement is great.

>>380246116
>With my idea
you mean this? >>380240195

>>380238914
you can still use your left hand to access all the keyboard shortcuts and keys if you put it on the mouse.

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for fucks sake, here, it exists

>>380240434
Yes, because the mouse is how you move

>>380246270
Not many of those are true linear analogue. Many are just directional movement like a D-pad on a typical controller. The ones that aren't are not very accurate and good quality compared to the sticks on a playstation controller.

>>380246565
not. enough. buttons

>>380246565
do they do one without the screen and buttons?

I know someone that uses an xbox elite controller in the left hand and aims with a mouse in the right hand for fps games.

It seemed pretty weird to me but he says it's comfy when you get used to it.

Having the stick on the mouse hand is retarded. However, I could see an analog movement stick for the left hand and a mouse in the right hand, I just can't figure out how you would make it ergonomic to use both the stick and the rest of the keyboard buttons at the same time.

Being able to move in any direction relative to your aim, as opposed to eight directions, is a direct improvement and people would get used to it.

You can pretend that dual analog control on the same hand would be precise and useful, but you are 100% not the first person to come up with this idea and there's a reason it's not common practice. Analog on the non-mouse hand has its merits though, for the control reasons previously mentioned.

>>380246629
all of them are analogue, problem is windows or rather directx, it doesn't allow analogue with a mouse, if you would only use analogue without a mouse it would be perfect analogue.

>>380246741
fragFX

The trigger button is not linear tho. It's a shame, I emailed them about it but I doubt they'll fix it. no opint tho since there's only 1 (one) trigger when most games need 2 like gta on PC. right trigger for acceleration, left for breaking

>>380247004
>Being able to move in any direction relative to your aim, as opposed to eight directions, is a direct improvement and people would get used to it.

Thank you, this guy gets it

>>380247004
>is a direct improvement
Question is, is it actual improvement or a diminishing return?

>>380239934
play claw niqqa

>>380247676
Not the person you're replying to but I struggle to think of any specific game or genre of games that could currently utilize full benefits of the proposed control schemes.

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>>380245278
Here.

Now between the option of: TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP - Ah, finally exactly where I need to be, the

perfect angle.

And the option of: Gently easing your stick to get where you want to be hassle free (and faster).

Which would you rather pick?

Imagine me tracking a target running across here in the webm.

>>380247917
Shooters, to start off with. Particularly quake style shooters where movement is important. I feel like third person shooters would be more tolerable with this than net board and mouse.

Think about it this way. If the current system was analog movement plus mouselook, would you really think that the system which gives you less directions of movement and uses more fingers was better?

>>380247917
Racing games.
If your using a keyboad, when the key is pressed it will be full throttle, when not pressed, there will be nothing.

With a stick, you can get both and everything inbetween

Top rank overwatch player and i use wiimote nunchuck thing in my left and mouse in my right

i know its only overwatch but i dont see why it wouldnt work on other pc shooters if you prefer cowadooty and battlefield tf2 whatever

i actually think it would work even better on stuff with super speed like unreal and quake

>>380249202
whats net board

>>380248985
You are doing everything wrong, everything.
1. don't stand that close to a window
2. use lean buttons to look out of the windows, stay out of windows sight otherwise
3.you are open fucking target, don't fucking move, movement is easier to spot than standing still.

>>380248985
Oh God, from your complaints I could already tell you're bad. Oh boy, I wasn't expecting this though. I suggest you forward this thread to medical proffessional.

>>380249954
Autocorrect being retarded, keyboard.

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>>380251085
>2. use lean buttons to look out of the windows, stay out of windows sight otherwise

Clearly, you've never played that game.

And yes, I know not to poke your gun out a window and whatnot. That webm was a quick example with NO enemy players runny across to help emphasis my point.

>>380252354
>mfw mvp every round
get fucked implying scum

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>>380252929
Lying is a sin.

>>380252929
>Clearly, you've never played that game.
I play day of imfamy as I type this. Please learn to fucking play

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>>380253252
you can't lean out that fucken window, and if you could, no one would as you said in point #1

>>380253209
Here's the last game I played. look at the file name

>>380253564
>you can't lean out that fucken window,
Are you a retard or are you just trying to get under my skin?

>>380253694
You literally can't though

Back on topic

linear 360degree movement > 8 directional movement

>>380253748
Ok, so you are a retard, thanks for the conformation.

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>>380252929
>use lean buttons in a game with lean to peek around corners and quickly draw back into cover rather than stupidly walking through the window's open, seeable area
quit posting any time

>>380253918
Just recorded me not being able to lean through the window, now take back your rude comment before I upload it.

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>>380254335