"This isn't paid mods, they're mods you can pay

I hope not. Modding is better when it's done by the community, instead of curated, censored, controlled by corporate policy, ideals, and money. They might not retract it, but at the very least I hope it goes nowhere

You don't understand. Bethesda is only making you pay for really difficult mods, like BACKPACKS that are MODULAR, or POWER ARMOR SKINS that... ARE POWER ARMOR SKINS.

>>380197850
I have heard decent counter-arguments, even though I agree. The prospect of getting a decent sum of money from Bethesda would seriously inspire and drive people to potentially create really good content, perhaps even full-blown story content, new large explorable areaas etc. I'd pay for those

>>380198145
Yeah, it's pretty stupid. Basically it's just horse armor except made by the community and this somehow is supposed to make the community better? Everyone is just going to shit out mudcrab and sweetroll reskins
>>380198480
But those things are already being done by the community out of love for the game, for the simple act of creating something others can enjoy, or some other drive that isn't money. Throwing corporate greed, procedure, and oversight into it will only hamper those that go that route. Either that or they'll only release mudcrab skins

>>380198887
>But those things are already being done by the community out of love for the game,
True enough, but this is only an option for PC players. Creation Club is the only hope console players have of enjoying this content

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>>380197302
they're banking on console users being stupid

I think they might actually get away with it, the average 12 year old won't know any better.

>>380199183
Sucks to be a console player then. And, regardless, if it isn't resisted at every step you know as well as I that they will push for it to be the norm on PC as well.

>>380198887
They aren't going to shit anything out. Presuming modders don't go full prissy GNU activists or whatever, they are going to be incentivized to create quality mods quickly because they will actually get paid and Bethesda has to okay the mods. If Bethesda thinks the community won't honestly enjoy seetroll armor then it won't be approved and will thus remain free.

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>>380199323
Christ i hate this fucking industry....

>>380199841
>Industry
>Not just a western culture problem

That's what you get for trusting Bethesda.

They are not the good guys

>>380199498
But quality mods have already, as in since modding was something people do, been released with absolutely 0 money from some publisher. There is no reason why Bethesda overseeing any of the process will make mods better. They care about one thing, money. They don't give a dick about the modding community at large, they don't care that people want to create and distribute their creations without limits.

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Let be honest, giving mods to the console user, THEN bringing the paid mod expecting the console user to support, was the worst idea they ever had. Those console user got a taste of free mods and they're not going to let that go.

>>380200819
>Those likes/dislikes
There is hope for humanity yet

>>380200437
>but modders already work quickly without me paying for their hard work
>he says this as SKSE64 lets out its last feeble coughs before death

>>380199183
I'm playing skyrim with sex mods on console right now
No it is not.

The only person that's going to give a fuck in five months is Robin Scott, since this will cut even further into his Nexus ad revenue.

I genuinely don't understand the problem with providing modders a platform to sell their mods from. Valve's initial attempt was obviously a disaster, the lack of curation and quality control obviously leaves holes that can be exploited. But as long as Bethesda stays true to their word that they'll curate everything on it then I don't see the problem.

>>380201037
No, I said quality mods, not quickly made ones. Also, your quote of what I said implies I don't donate to modders. The least you could do is quote me correctly.
>Skse64 is the only quality mod ever to be released.
I'm unfamiliar with the story with that, but I can already say that you're misrepresenting the great mods the community, even for Skyrim, has achieved without being"incentivised" by some company
>>380201536
>Wanting more corporate control and influence in your mods

>>380201536
Then you're a fucking moron or you don't use mods.
They're not going to sell mods like lovers lab or sexy armors or nude textures or meshes.
It'll be horse armor and reshaped weapons landscape textures and the occasional LOL wtf a mudcrab wearing a top hat.
They'll regulate and monetize the ever living fuck out of it. And you can't sell tits to kids.

>>380202143

Try being less pathetic, fucking hell, Anon.

>>380202143
So what? Do you think people are going to stop making their fetish mods? Those people already make money doing that through patreon and donations and the like.

>>380202143
Basically. If you give them an inch they'll take a mile. It's so crazy that people just assume the best from entities, even though they only care about how they can get more money. If it locks their customers into their system, it's all the better. They aim for the long term, a platform for modders to sell shit now is a walled garden for all of their released games later.
>>380202698
See above

>>380202547
Try getting the point.
Anything that doesn't pass their "quality control test" goes straight into the trash.
I've been modding on Skse since it came out and they remove more shit than is on the store.
Music overhauls are gone because copyright.
Loading screens are gone for same reasons.
Popular characters ported in like master chief are gone.
Thomas the tank engine mod is gone.
If your clothing overhaul mod can be glitches out to show what could be nudity it's gone.
If your texture mod includes nudity which you'd have to combine with a clothing mod to even see contains nudity it's gone.
Their rules suck as it is this will make them suck even more.

>>380202143
Have you not heard of the story about the boiling pot and the frog?

>>380203364
I feel like thats an argument against paid mods on a Bethesda store, not for it

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>>380198480
>potentially create really good content, perhaps even full-blown story content, new large explorable areaas etc
>xbone and ps4
>I'd pay for those
hi todd

>>380202878
What you think they're gonna allow a free market to exist alongside their paid one?
Hell no. They'll implement some form of drm on mods and fuck the free market out of existence for everyone.

>>380198480
Tons of mods have copied/ported contents or shared community files. With paid modding, modding suddenly becomes A SHIT TON MORE difficult and expensive. And you are far less likely to see ambitious or crazy stuff.

This is why they released mods for Xbox and PS. Because they planned for paid ones.

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>>380203578

>>380201536
Communitied shared resource for modding and ported/ripped content will be gone thanks to paid modding.

At first I was a bit skeptical about the whole Creation Club announcement but when I read through their official website, it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole.

I am really excited.

>>380203216

Are you seriously trying to use master chief inserts and Thomas the Tank Engine as positive reasons to avoid this program? Who gives a fuck about those mods at fucking all, those don't do anything at all to add to my experience. That's some fucking YouTube bait shit there, Anon.

Great. Now modders are gonna take down their mods and paywall their shit again.

>>380197302
of course they will. gabe didn't say they were doing to never try to implement paid mods, they said they were going to re-evaluate their approach, i.e. they'd try again sometime.
they want this stupid zero-effort cashgrab so bad they can taste it

>take generic pieces of gear
>"mod" some overpowered enchantments onto it
>sell on marketplace to easy-mode loving idiots
It's like getting free money.

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Bethesda got kicked out of PC for paid mod horseshit, now they're doing it again for consoles.

And the terrifying thing is that it might actually work this time.

>>380203578
Exactly, and that's something I don't want to happen. I like community driven modding, I like it being able to grow and develop in whatever direction it wants instead of being stifled and forced to bend to some policy. I do not support paid mods through corporate platforms. Encouraging donations to the modder? Yes, please do. But forcing out creativity in favor of bending to a corporate agenda is not something any self respecting community member/user should want
>>380203839
>Creation club is free, but you need to give XX amount of credits, which you will (likely) buy with a credit card

Of course they will, they only care about money. They are charging 60$ for Fallout 4 VR, and that just includes the core game, no DLC. They will probably charge 60$ for Skyrim VR as well

>>380197850
I think you are right, I like the idea of new content, but they need to be more transparent in their intentions. They want to sell more DLC without the risks or effort involved in building a complete DLC package

>>380203505
Buy Skyrim for the Switch, or get out.

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>>380199323
>they're banking on console users being stupid
WE'RE DOOMED

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>>380204549
nope

>>380203839
>Believing this.
No one's saying this is the end game. This is one step towards a steam-like system except for mods.

>>380203963
He was giving examples, you goober. He's saying that if anything doesn't match whatever standards they set for it, they don't let you use it. It's easy enough to hear from other users whether content is useless. There's no need for the company filter, especially when they're charging you for that filter.

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>>380197302
>no horse armor
Count me out

>>380198480
Yes, but if you make people pay for mods you'll end up alienating the community, both the modders and players alike. Basicallly instead of being a bunch of fans having fun fucking around with the game, it'd turn into something akin to an actual economy. In case you're wondering why this is bad, look at any AAA game.

>>380203910
Fuck off, Todd. If you had any awareness you'd see why this platform is a bad idea for the community.
>>380204351
Again, new content is something people already do, no monetary incentive necessary. If you want to donate, do so, but making it forced payment and also have to jump through corporate process is a terrible idea.

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>>380204616
>>380199323
If I remember correctly, those console user got free mods. I don't think they want to give that away.

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>>380204732
The creation of Steam didn't stop people making free games.

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>The year is 203X
>Skyrim Remastered 8K Edition for the PSBox
>Now with 60 frames per second!

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>>380204829

>>380205061
Because steam doesn't have a monopoly on the game industry. Bethesda, in this case, can just say "fuck the free modding community, you buy through us now", and there is nothing the community can really do. Forcing Bethesda to keep their stupid system as an idea only protects the community from that eventually happening. See the difference?

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VIDEO GAMES ARE DEAD
DEAD
FUCKING DEAD

LOOK AT IT ITS DEAD
THOSE VIDEO GAMES YOU LIKED
ARE DEAD
DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
FUCKING DEAD
BETHESDA KILLED IT

ITS DEAD

>>380205413
>Bethesda, in this case, can just say "fuck the free modding community, you buy through us now"
They really can't. Mod support is why their games sell. And if they did try a dick move like that, someone would probably find a workaround.

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why would you mod a perfect game?

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>>380205418
you could of stopped this
all you had to do was BUUUYYY MMYYYYY GAAAAMMMEEEE

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>>380205907
if you dont identify yourself im going to FUCKING EXPLODE

>>380198480
The big problem is shared assets and what exactly Bethesda's terms were. If they can say that they own whatever content you create, then you could get in trouble for letting people look at your mods code, or using it's assets without Bethesda's permission. Most of this would just be Bethesda trying to cover it's ass from getting sued. "So and so used my mod content without my permission and you let it through, despite what you said about curating."

Mods like Legacy of the Dragonborn would be impossible in this system, as most of it's assets were donated by other modders for the project. Sure you could get a huge collab project, but most mods don't ever start as a team working together, it's a bunch of smaller mods that realized they could pool what they already had to make something better.

Most people quickly realize that working together long term doesn't work, they are too different from each other and they don't have a manager to make sure that everyone is getting along.

Bethesda isn't going to manage these people, but you can bet to hell and back that Bethesda won't allow mods to later get merged together, even if people would rather pay 20 dollars for an almost expansions worth of content, rather then 2 dollars a piece for a 30 piece set of shit.

>>380205838
They can do that though. Whether it would be smart or not it a different issue. But if they feel like the free modding community is cutting into their profits in any way, they certainly can do it. Or they can lock down their engine, again, if they feel like non-monetized modding is cutting into it. Keeping the community free of their creation platform is by far the best solution for everyone
>>380205907
>Perfect
>Modern day money in ancient crypts
>Torches burning for hundreds of years

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>>380205067
NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE!

>>380205413
>"fuck the free modding community, you buy through us now"
If they do that, I'll be picketing beth hq right there along side you. But they aren't doing that and they've gone on record saying they won't do that. And you can stay cynical and call me naive or whatever but the point I'm making is that creation club, or other mods-for-sale platforms is an experiment worth trying. In all likelihood it will crash and burn, or it could become immensely successful like Valve's cosmetic content system that's proven to work for dota, tf2 and csgo.

>>380206339
Should of Toad, should of

>>380206378
Stay mad about it. Everyone should. It's heresy.

>>380206378
Picket? Who gives a fuck, just stop buying their games and pirate/ignore.

>>380206378
They will likely just kill it from the inside. Like I've said before, they're looking at the long haul, not the short term. Give an inch and they take a mile.

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>>380198480
Yes fellow anon, I too think that Creartion Club is a great idea and it will allow for some truly innovative and new mods! By the way, have you pre-ordered Fallout 4 VR Special Edition, Skyrim For Switch Special Edition, and Skyrim for VR Special Edition?

>>380203910
>but when I read through their official website,

You mean the explanation where they say these paid mods aren't paid mods because.... reasons?

> it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

One of the key catalysts of the Bethesda modding community is picking up the Bethesda slack.

>They will have quality control,

Todd, please.

>collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors

i.e. They will have an intern do a rudimentary conflicts check and will in most instances want mods to be script free. Most likely the only things they will permit are the kinds of mods that wouldn't need SKSE or similar utilities.

They will also have a no weaboo or porn policy.

>I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole.

Todd, stop.

>I am really excited.

TODD!

thats on the console players to boycott this i really dont give a hoot

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>>380203839
OK this is how they're working it, to bethesda "mods" are what is currently out on sites like nexus, anyone can make whatever they want and upload it wherever they choose.
The creation club is DLC made by bethesda and modders but modders have to submit the idea and files to bethesda to be vetted before anyone can play them.
It's fucking pointless anyway because everyone will just pirate them by either uploading to a mod site or if its not an esp (highly unlikely), ripping the assets and making it one.
TL:DR Bethesda are fucking retarded thinking anyone but the 12 people that buy their games on console will pay for this shit.

>>380206378
>But they aren't doing that and they've gone on record saying they won't do that
>still falling for Todds lies
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN???

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can't we just get a fully made game with no DLC or mods needed or shit wtf, just a good old game you pay for and get your moneys worth

>>380197302
Yes because there's another jew called gaben to back them up.

>skyrim vr
>with QUALITY, HAND CRAFTED mods from the creation club
>high price point means only myself and other civilized beings from the first world will be able to partake in the ceremonies
>will finally be able to strait up FUS RO DAH a motherfucker in first person and really feel it
I. Can't. Fucking. Wait.

Is there any developer or game maker who only makes games that are always Rated E For Everyone in the ESRB and 3 in PEGI?

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>>380197302
>companies are going to get money for content they didn't even created

>>380206854
Because of this wording, it also gets around Sony's bullshit. This is most of the reason this happened. Sony didn't want players being able to just upload a mod, because a mod could specifically be used to break open the OS for the PS4.

So Bethesda created this, this allows them to put in new assets into the game, because Bethesda has to vet them and any legal trouble would be down on Bethesda, this goes the same for any malicious code run.

If it was any other company, no one would bat an eye. Valve has had curated content for many of it's games for a while now, yet there are still free content for those that want it. Bethesda isn't Valve, they will do something stupid, they will want a walled garden. Not for Skyrim, but for the next game and once people have had a taste of mods that they didn't have to listen to a 2 hour tutorial to get running, they won't let it go. It will just work.

I can't wait to pay for unofficial patches, can you guys? I think it'll be so amazing!

>>380207664
For all the shit that I just gave Bethesda in my previous posts. I don't think they could possibly be THAT stupid. No one will pay for bug fixes. They will just incorporate those as free things, to show their good will.

>>380204198
... Heh, looks like this idiot (you) didn't read the part where all Creation Club content has to be new from the ground up. That means no reskins or lazy god mode instant win items. I'm guessing you didn't see the Survival Mode in the trailer either...

>>380207664
To clarify for all the other anons, he's joking. Paying Bethesda for patches not even released by them would be hell

>>380207460
Have you ever heard of the concept of a store? Lots of businesses make money from products they did not create themselves.

>>380207460
That's how publishing works, fool.

>>380207885
Stores are maintained, if you have a problem with a product they are forced to deal with it, stores happen in an open market where there's competition. This comparison is as bad as food comparison.

>>380207987
But that's not how the modding community works, and forcing it to work that way is selfish and stupid on all fronts

>>380207987
Publishers have to deal with marketing, delivering and many times founding the development of the product, you are the fool by defending paid mods.

>>380208265
No one's taking away your precious nexusmods, fool. You can still use your silly sex slave mods. This is for people who want premium content that will work on the first shot.

>>380208239
"All the content is approved, curated, and taken through the full internal dev cycle; including localization, polishing, and testing."

>>380208464
This is what they claim it will be done, the only confirmed thing is paying for the mods.

lul at the people actually trying to defend this shit

>>380208446
>Premium content
Yes, because mods made out of goodwill and love for modding can't be premium quality.
I'm sorry you're so shit at modding, by the way.

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>>380198480
>create really good content
why do that when you can make cashgrab mods?

why make lewd mods that you cant sell
or copyright armor and weapons
or locations that requires your own assets and hard work?

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Spread and sign the petition
https://www.change.org/p/bethesda-petition-to-have-bethesda-abolish-the-creation-club
Tell your friends, family, dog, whatever to sign it

Dislike this video with all your accounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

Give Fallout 4 and Sykrim SE a negative rating on Steam
http://store.steampowered.com/app/377160/Fallout_4/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/489830/The_Elder_Scrolls_V_Skyrim_Special_Edition/

Spam them, send them poop in a box, whatever
https://help.bethesda.net/app/ask
[email protected]
BETHESDA SOFTWORKS LLC
1370 Piccard Drive
Rockville, MD 20850
[email protected]

Use social media hashtags like #stopbethesda #stoppaidmods #boycottbethesda or something like this

And most importantly

DON'T BUY THEIR GAMES

pirate them instead if you really want to play them

don't let those greedy jews win

>>380199498

>quality mods
>from bethesda

lmao look at this link model they modded into the game

it looks like a grandma in a costume

funnily enough console gamers eat this shit like it's fucking honey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7980ZPK8Dg

It's a foundation for future Fallout and TES titles.

The TES VI and Fallout 5 will only support mods from the Creation Club.

>>380208973
I think, if it does happen that way, it'll be ES 7 and FO 6. I wouldn't put it past them to do it at some point though

>>380208759
This, bethesda to going to flooded by cheap /low effort mods from cunts who are just looking to make a quick buck.

>>380208950
>Spread and sign the petition
No way you freakin pinko

>>380208973
how long before you think it would get cracked?
there's no way it's going to be a different engine and they have to give mod tools out or there would be nothing for Creation Club.
Maybe we'll live to see a black market modding community

>>380209589
Well it'll use denuvo V8, the definitely uncrackable version, for sure. So never ever! :^)
Man, torrenting mods. Who would have thought

>>380201536
FINALLY an anon that is reasonable. Yes. Modders who create good content work hard. Hard work should translate into a fair amount of payment for said work. Gamers these days are so entitled, they think they should get to enjoy everyone elses hard work for free. Ayn Rand is rolling in her grave

>>380203910
>They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

And most importantly, those of us who prefer consoles can finally enjoy mods. I can't stand PC gaming because I don't get to relax on my cozy couch and play on a 60 inch screen.

I initially thougght this was money grabbing, but after some thought, hell, this was the best E3 announcement of the year

>>380211212
Holy fuck. Get over yourself. The community functions fine without you and your kind shitting it up.

>>380203980
>Great. Now modders are gonna take down their mods and paywall their shit again.

dammit, so much misunderstanding ITT

They wont accept existing mods. The modder needs to pitch their idea to Beth, be approved, and make an entirely new mod that isn't already extant

>>380212019
That doesn't mean the modder won't be putting his mods for money in patreon.

>>380199498
Minecraft has modders getting paid from adshekels.
Guess what?
Creativity completely died in the community and now everything is a copy of some other bigger mod.

Modding for minecraft is a shitload harder than modding for shitthesda games.
If you honestly think paid mods in any form are good for any community you are a naive delusion retard.

Why are they even trying to have more of this kike shit? Just leave the modding community as is. Console players getting these games are idiots anyways because they are gimping themselves on what's basically the only good point of Bethesda games, the easiness of mods.

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>>380213456
why do you think

>its free to make mods and have fun
>its free to mod iron man into gta 4 because you can
>its free to be creative and do all kinds of neat things
>its free to mod that armor in from that other game you like into this other game because its fun and free
>let's take that freedom, murder it, and buttfuck its corpse with corporate greed

fuck it all

>>380200819
Exactly. Trying to do it for games that are a couple years old is also fucking retarded. Yeah I'm totally going to go back to Skyrim to spend money on some stupid joke mods, for sure.

Now if it was a sequel launching with this service with or without free mod options they probably would've reeled some suckers in.

>>380211212
>Modders who create good content work hard
yes they do, and they DO IT FOR FUN and have been for 20+ years until you came along

>Hard work should translate into a fair amount of payment for said work
DONATE TO THEM. YOU DON'T NEED A THIRD PARTY MIDDLEMAN SITE WHO TAKES A HUGE CUT TO DO PAY THEM

you fucking cucks spew the same shit every thread and you haven't donated a nickel. but along comes this middleman shit and suddenly you're all WHOA GIVE THEM THE MONEY YOU COMMIES just fuck off.

Is a modder entitled to the sweat of his brow?
NO says /v/, it belongs to the modding community
NO says the vatican, it belongs to god
NO says Moscow, it belongs to everyone for free.

I cchose a different answer.
I chose Creation Club

At first I was a bit skeptical about the whole Creation Club announcement but when I read through their official website, it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole.

I am really excited

>>380215717
>>380216179
>10 credits have been deposited into your Creation Club account.

>>380215717
I think you forgot

NO says the developers, the game is my property
NO says the distributors, it runs on my server

Also rapture is running your own extremely exclusive donation site that falls apart due to drama and low quality standards in a few years, hey Engineering Guild!

>>380198480
>implying greed for money makes quality creative content

lmaoing at your life right now, goy

>>380205396
Some real cheeky kunts at Beth, there.

>>380215717
Is a modder entitled to the sweat of his brow?
YES says the donater
NO says the publisher, not without our cut
NO says the developer, we dont support mods unless our publisher says so

>>380197302
>Will Bethesda go through with Creation Club?
Remains to be seen just what the terms are and how that modifies the outrage. I would not be surprised if this turns into an even bigger PR nightmare before too long, or for it to start turning around. It depends enormously on just what the rate is.

>>380204082
>>380207310
Bethesda is doing this on their own now specifically BECAUSE Gaben ISN'T backing them up. Valve isn't touching this again for a LONG time, and definitely not gonna do just an obvious repackaging.

This is already close to what Valve has been doing with their own games' workshops for nearly a decade. Their next step in monetizing UGC will be just some small steps back away from their current role as exclusive curator and gatekeeper, something their games communities have been clamoring for, eg. letting some of those literally hundreds of guns which already exist on the TF2 workshop actually get used.

>>380198480
>perhaps even full-blown story content, new large explorable areaas etc. I'd pay for those
Yeah enjoy having your mods refused because the PS4 and Xbone can't handle it if you put more than 10 NPCs in the same area
It will just be weapon reskins, new pieces of armor and maybe a bunch of new companions

>>380217598
This, why put 100s of hours in to huge mod that might rejected and have no one buy it when you can pump out cosmetic shit in a fraction of the time.

>>380200387
>forgetting about the Gal*Gun 90$ DLC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal*Gun
Gal*Gun is a Japanese rail shooter Bishōjo game developed by Inti Creates and published by Alchemist, and released in Japan on January 27, 2011. Originally

>>380218180
It sounds more like you submit your business plan, bethesda evaluates it probably makes suggestions and then you regularly post your progress. All the fun of being an employee with only a fraction of the paycheck!

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Jesus. I thought most 4channers were capitalists who would support this. This is straight up commie shit
>:oh, i want everything for free I'm so entitled hurrrrrrrr

>>380218764
gas yourself, kike

>>380218764
Who the fuck are you to dare think we side against consumers and with scummy corporations? Donate to the modders you want, create mods for the love of the game, the community, or the act of creation. Why the flying fuck should a business get in the way of that? Fuck you. One can be capitalist and still be against getting ass fucked by every LLC that wants a piece of him

>>380218764
Don't confuse the alt-right with fiscal conservatives. They just hate niggers.

>>380219376
>supporting a free market makes you a kike.
kek, move to Venezuela

>>380219736
No, a free market is what we have now, jew.
Beth making moves to limited and take full control of that market is literal judaism.
I repeat, gas yourself.

>>380215717
>NO says Bethesda, it belongs to me

>>380219736
>Free market is only considered free market if we bend over for corporations. Otherwise it's communism
Go fuck yourself

>>380201172
Which console? How can you do it?

>>380219967
A business is entitled to do what they want to make money. If it is unfair, consumers shall show them so by not using their services. If enough people boycott this, fair enough, but Bethesda is right to try to capitalize

Again, please move to a communist nation where you will fit in

>>380220827
You can't

>>380221109
Again,
>Being upset about these developments is communism
That's not how this works, bitchboi.
Also, why anyone would blindly support a business practice like this, without being employed by them, is beyond me. How much do they pay you? And why do you support faceless entities that don't give a flying fuck about you?
>Inb4 you call me communist

>>380221109
>it's okay if businesses make money at my expense
So you weren't even defending the modders right to potential remuneration for the production of a digital good, you were defending the right of bethesda to steal the potential remuneration of others, knowing full well modders could not possibly hope to open up litigation in case of abuse of intellectual property due to the immense corruption in corporate law.
How very jewish.

>>380218764
>being capitalist means you have to buy every shit idea a corporation shoves down your throat
a free market means we DONT have to buy shitty ideas

>>380203980
I hope we have backups this time.

>>380200819
what's that download button from?

>>380222180
not him, but it might be the extension "youtube center", it adds a similar download button

>>380222180
FVD addon

>>380197302
Well, they aren't actually mods you can pay for since they're exclusively made in-house and contracted. It's more akin to a Microtransactions store. Still shit tho.

>>380208759
The modding community is in denial, there are fanboys like Gopher who still thinks that this is only for big quest mods, and quality mods, ignoring the fact that the mods shown in the video are all shitty reskins and armor crap.

>>380203839
>Implying the best modders don't want to get paid. Causing a fissure in the modding community.
>Bethesda gradually normalizes paid mods like EA and Ubisoft normalized season passes, day one DLC and preorder culture.

>>380219567
>Fiscal conservatives don't hate niggers.
Have you seen the systems they support? The laws they write? The people they elevate?

Fiscal conservatives absolutely hate anyone and everyone that's not them.

>>380225289
>Identity politics

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>>380197302
>buy skyrim just so i can modd all comfy houses, lewd/nice looking armor/cloth and followers for free
>they make it more profitable to JUST make normalfag shit

>removing the reason why i bought the game in the first place, comfy and lewd
welp, guess i wont be buying thier broken games anymore

is Second Life a good western alternative or am i fucked? asian stuff dont cut it for me sadly
you´d think that the Adult vidya would be a hit considering the size of other adult industries such as films and books

>>380226830
>>removing the reason
What? See >>380203839

>>380226830
Are those followers? If so got a link, anon

>>380203910
This was proven to be shill pasta last night. It's in literally every thread.

>>380206378
Now here's your problem: once they actually do get around to doing that, it's too late because you've already handed over the keys to the kingdom. If you give them their curated mod environment, it will gain a foothold and never go away. And once it has its foothold all they have to do is make the modding tools only available to Creation Club members, and you're shit out of luck forever. Modding is then dead, and your only recourse is to boycott Bethesda. You will never get enough people to boycott to make them give you back the tools, so shit's over at that point.

https://youtu.be/V9UrZDetbrg

>>380201536
>>380211212
Your shitty arguments pop up in every thread, and get shot down in every thread. Fuck off, paid forum troll interns.

>>380197302
I'm completely fine with this. Mod makers should have the option to charge money for something they created and put work into. Or they can choose for it to be free. It's their mods. People are just being idiots and thinking it will be like when steam did it and took like 95% of the money.

>>380197302
never buying bethshit ever again and I suggest nobody else does either

fuck them

If the mods are being put through the same vetting as official content and by Bethesda themselves, doesn't that just make it a collection of small DLCs?

You're not going to see the Script Extenders on this program or anything else important.

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Creation club isn't paid mods, it's Bethesda contracting people to make content for their store. You submit a proposal to them, then they pay you to make it.
They're not going to let retards flood it like garbage like Steam did because it'll hurt their bottom line

>>380226830
Personal followers/chars or?

>>380230945
Creation club is paid mods, because Bethesda is contracting modders to make content for their store which you then have to pay for to be able to use it.

>>380230532
>What is donating?
I swear, you people don't even bother to think before you post

>>380201536
If you carefully analyze what they are doing it's not really mods anymore it's outsourcing (micro)dlc creation.
It's a savage way of doing social dumping, the people the most angry must be devs working for Bethesda.
Mods creators will basically be Uber drivers when Bethesda employees are regular cab drivers.

>>380228536
>>380232532
http://www.tesgeneral.com/followers

>>380230945
>creation club isnt paid mods, because the bethesda pays modders to make the mods you then have to pay for
Damn, really made me think...

Look, I'll be completely fine with it as long as it is kept separate from the mods section. The modders who WANT to sell their creations for compensation should be rewarded for their work. Granted, that does not mean I want people to stop making free mods and I hope they continue distributing new ones for free.