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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POGy4S5_r9s
IT'S HAPPENING
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It's starting a few minutes isn't it?
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>>380149056
An hour
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mods stick THIS
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>>380149174
I can't even trust you, there's been so much disinfo spreading through this E3 about schedules.
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destruction derby?
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>>380149357
an hour
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>>380149174
it's an hour.
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>>380149357
http://e3countdown.weebly.com/
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It's just media shit until 6
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>>380148634
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>380149552
How did this website ( http://www.e3countdown.com/ ) fuck up so bad? They got like 2 maybe 3 conferences wrong.
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it started . preshow
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>trailer with old title
Not looking good.
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>5 pst
>california uses pdt
Who the fuck is even using PST right now?
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>>380148634
>lots of Gran Autismo
I'm feeling a little down all of a sudden
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>>380149174
fuck you are right sorry m8
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e3countdown did everything wrong. it was a mistake
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>>380148634
god fucking damn it the website said it was starting like now but went to the stream they said another hour. FUCK THIS GET YOUR SHIT RIGHT
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>>380149738
Yeah luckily I was worried as I was seeing 2AM UK time and 5 AM UK time for bethesda so I check twitch's timetable and realised a few were wrong
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sony already won before it even started
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lol damn it sony
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>Open stream
>Awkward silence and people shifting
>"We're on camera now"
>H-h-hey
Wew off to a good start
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>This conversation about Nier
This is pretty cringe.
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>>380150062
It's a preshow, its not the conference.
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I look forward to buying a PS4, Xbox X, and a new tv this year
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>>380148634
can they ever get their shit together?
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why do they keep calling this remaster collection "the new crash bandicoot"?
are they retarded?
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i like how they hire people who havent played vidya since the early 90s
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Watch them shit the bed, it will only make the Metroid announcement more powerful
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is it just me or are the ads stuttering like fuck?
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>>380150752
>metroid
the nintendie delusion is real
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>>380150752
>metroid announcement
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>380150945
>ads
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>Hey guys, w-w-we have a strong console too
Kek
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>>380148634
I can't fucking wait for the trainwreck that is David Cage's Detroit.
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They got Mark Hamill to narrate their ads holy shit.
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>>380150752
Nintendo announcing a proper Metroid would betray almost a decade of pants-on-head stupid decisions that landed them in the current state they're in now.
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>>380148634
>required sign in due to age restriction
Oh good, this will almost certainly be full of degenerate weeb autism.
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>>380151012
>typing out laughing
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHA SAD
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>>380151142
Star Citizen got Mark Hamill, he'll do fucking anything these days it seems.
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should exchange my ps4 fora pro? i have an hdr 4k tv
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>>380151106
why? his other games were baller af
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After the XBX shit why the fuck is Sony shilling the Pro so much?
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Oh my god that fucking lisp
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>>380148634
>a number of devs have told me PS4 Pro is great
>but I can't name any of those devs because reasons
Fuck off the edge of my dick
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>He'll be able to hit 60 Hz at 4k on PS4 Pro
>GT Sport beta runs at 3200x1800 checkerboard and STILL has drops below 60
Also, holy fuck, Cerny sounds like such a faggot.
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>>380151526
probably because people don't fall for that meme and go with the cheaper slim
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JAGGIES
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Why would you bother with a PS4 pro when they will clearly release a PS4 Pro+?
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>Cerny voice
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>20 minutes shilling ps4 pro
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da fuck is checkerboard
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What the fuck i thought it started at 10am AEST why am i watching Skull and Bones recaps.
Fuck it, what's a youtube stream with a real preshow at least? Gamespot's is crap
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Ff7 pls
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>the game will have HDR
>HDR is on PS4Pro
>You just have to see HDR
>Yeah HDR
>HDR
>Did I mention HDR?
>Here's Kojima and HDR
>HDRHDRHDRHDRHDRHDRHDRHDRHDR
God shut the fuck up and just show me some god damn games, what the fuck I don't care about your faggy ass HDR. The game could be pixelated 600x600 in black and white but as long as it's fucking fun and good I will buy and play it.
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>>380148634
Where's twitch stream?
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>>380152187
you will eat this shit and enjoy it consolecuck
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>>380152187
>just show me some god damn games
The conference is in an hour.
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This is like a parody of corporate elite speak
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oh crap here comes caramel
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TRAILER TIME
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>>380152187
>God shut the fuck up and just show me some god damn games
Their presentation is suppose to be like 90 minutes, calm your shit.
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KNACK 2 BABY
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KNACK 2
PFFTHAHAHAHAHA
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>Knack 2
Fucking hell, kill me.
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black female with cornrolls
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OH GOD ITS KNACK 2 AND IT LOOKS LIKE GOTY
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>>380148634
>Knack 2
SUCK MY DICK YOU FUCKS
NOBODY CARES ABOUT IT
NOBODY LIKED THE FIRST ONE
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>3 aeconds of death stranding
OMG COMFIRMD!!!!!
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40 BUCKS
SONY WINS
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WHAT THE FUCK
KNACK
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>Knack 2
SONY WON
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His name is ASSHAT JIZZLE-Back?
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>>380152634
*cornrows
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>>380152634
Hahaha i fucking knew i would see someone on /v/ triggered by that 0.5 seconds
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MUH AGENDA
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>More movie games
OH BOY, HERE WE GO
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>>380152857
FUCK ME DADDY
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>>380152857
Fuck off.
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qt asian
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WHEN IT FUCKING STARTS
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Where's the sticky?
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female asian
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>The game is about a serial killer... who has been murdering people for some time
Why does this sound so damn weird kek
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>white lead and an asian
thank fuck god im tired of niggers
this game looks good too, i loved until dawn
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Meredith can get it
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>>380149738
California Daylight saving time(california add 2 hours and make it more longer) fuck so hard time zones software.
>t. Software developer.
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those teeth jesus
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is that mr robot
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Sony gonna win E3 boys
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>>380153304
>Sony niggers buy movie games from SJWs if there are no niggers in the trailer
Kek
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You can go and get absolutely fucked /v/, games like this are fun as fuck in a group
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Best race
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>>380148634
>using the smart phone as a controller is a good way to get new gamers
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
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My nigga Azad
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>millennials: the game
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yoshida best boy
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What in the fuck is this trash?
Is this real life?
This E3 has been terrible.
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>>380148634
>>380148634
SELFIE GAMES
AHAHAHAHAH SONYBRONIES BTFO
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>>380153440
>daddy walks in during presentation
it would be a easy win
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Guys why is Yoshida so damn CUTE
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>riot cop
niggs are gonna get niggered
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THAT'S (YOU)
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>Instagram game
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>the presenter's face
KEK
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SONY WON
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>>380153854
Shu gonna give it to ya
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>>380153564
Ladyboy?
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why are rhey showcasing games now?
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Well at least they got this shit game outta the way instead of devoting time towards it during the actual conference
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I hate games which make you wish you had friends.
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>Matterfall turned out to be a shitty action platformer
Welp
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>>380154169
No one would play this with a friend, you have Nintendo consoles for that
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>Particle effects: the game
Nice
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>>380154114
Getting the casual games out of the way so conference can be the important shit.
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Is the real conference after this??
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iiiiiiindieeeeee gamesssssss
NEWGROUNDS
where is cod ww2?
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Matterfall looks kinda good.
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>>380154169
There's always Persona 4/5 for you
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>>380154114
Literally getting small tier reveals out of the way so they don't drag the conference.
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>>380148634
>Mii Golf but for PS4
FUCK OFFFFFFF
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ONORE GOLFGOM
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>a golfing game
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>>380154376
Yes
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>Guy is called asshat
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>>380154396
>Persona 6 announced
>It's a shared open world game ala Destiny
>Need friends to complete Palaces
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>mfw Japanese Clap Hands while playing golf games
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I thought it starts in 30 minutes?
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Which one is more on time? Twitch or YouTube?
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>>380154235
I play all 3 Jackbox games with a group of 6 regularly on PS4
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literally trying to Wii U party games at this point. Why? Normie shovelware.
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Walt what?
Wasnt hotshot that slowmo game, and not a fucking golfing sim?
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>>380154668
Are you thinking of Super Hot?
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Why is Shu so cute?
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I'd buy this golf game but on the psvite
>tfw it's dead
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>>380154764
Oh, yea.
Im stupid.
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ya'll got a bingo sheet or what
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>>380148634
>$40 for a fucking avatar golf game
Fucking jews
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>>380154796
TREASON REEEEEEEEEE
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>>380155031
>A PS4 game retailing at portable price
It's nice
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>>380148634
>racing game is lumped in with the shitty pre-conference presentation
They finally learned.
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>>380154661
This series is almost a two decades old now, calm your tits
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sony is blowing it so far
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>>380155281
Nigga they haven't even begun
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>>380155139
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>>380155162
>avatar golf
>A PS4 game
Its fucking shovelware.
>>380155225
It could be a hundred years old, its still fucking shit.
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>polyphony digital
Will they show the magical sound booth room where they record 43 blenders to use as engine noise for their games?
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>>380155281
Literally stuffing the pre-show full of games
>>380155397
>Creating a character in a golf game that has large online components is bad
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comfy GT background music rn niggas
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>>380155397
you are retarded
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Wow this is pretentious.
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>>380155531
so far this sony pre-show is comfy af
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>>380155531
Its sad that the music is the best part of the game
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>>380155379
>what are you upset at
ur the best shu
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Will Sonybro Digital ever make Omega Boost again?
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>>380155646
time tria's qith my room mate once i got the g27 was the most fun ive had with vidya
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>>380154227
I think you mean
>Matterfall is Resogun/Nex Machina but as an action platformer
Which is fucking AWESOME.
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>>380155735
Polyphony*
My bad. Honest mistake there. Browse /v/ too much.
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>>380155379
I don't really understand what he's upset at, can someone explain
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>>380155521
every year is stuffed with games. this faggot just now said the word "artsy"
please understand the ground you're treading on now. playstation is over. it's a loser console for japs at best. listen to his voice trembling. is this the walking simulator for you? it's like fable but no gameplay just some fucking loser
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>>380155626
I know right, it's really putting me in the mood for something earth shattering
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>>380155859
>Tripfag
Filtered
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So i should assume this 60fps gameplay is only for the Pro
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listening to Eurobeat while watching
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VRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM
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>can't even give us a smooth stream
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>>380149897
Mountain Time here.
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>>380156105
my stream is smooth, get better connection
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Thank god they got that racing dog shit out of the way before the actual presentation.
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Take a drink every time they say HDR
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>within the next 2 and a half hours we'll know what From's next game is
I can't possibly be more excited bros.
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>>380156105
WOrks great on my smart tv
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my dad would probably love a new GT. no joke
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>>380156105
smooth for me on jewtube
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I don't like these two announcers
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>>380156105
>I have shitty interbuttz
thirdworlder pls
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>>380156105
Just get on another stream covering the Sony stream. I am on GLP TV one right now on YouTube.
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Love how autistic Yamaguchi is about racing. GTS looks damn good.
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>>380156312
what's it like to livestream to the NSA?
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>>380155397
You really are new to vidya aren't you senpai
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Cortana inc
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Come on, cut the bullshit and get to the announcments
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>>380156519
I use google home.
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For fuck sake come onnnnnnn
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>VR
YAWN
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Gays Tracking
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Who would name their son Asshead?
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>>380156516
Wish he would hire some one with a good ear for car engines
because fuck, every car in GT sounds boring, half of the fun of being into cars is the sound they make, I just want meaty V8s and screaming V10s
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VR for a year old game BASED SONY!
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>12 minutes
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OH BOY, VR PORTS
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who's clapping ?
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>VR pong
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We Tron now.
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suba haught...
wat
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>>380157274
They added the clapping to their trailer like 90% of E3 trailers because they're hacks.
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Who jere owns a ps vr?
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>>380157274
americans
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>using the preshow as containment for shovelware and VR shit
Based Sony
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Why is this thread pinned?
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>UK left the Europi-
HMMMMMMMMMM?????????
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This pre-show stuff is giving me some hope for the conference.
They are getting all the boring shit out of the way and there are even a few things that would've been good in the actual show like that GTS trailer.
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TROPICO
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is there anything more dom than being a dictator?
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>>380157274
White poeple
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The fuck is this commie trash?
>Referencing Brexit
Oh boy, here we go, more SJW shit.
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TRUMPICO 2018
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>Tropico on a console
Why even fucking bother
Also the past few tropicos have been garbage
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HOL UP ITS TROPICO
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>>380157584
Can’t take a joke, eh?
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>RealElPresidente
kek
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>Trump jokes already
Well, that can't be a good sign.
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>Instead of walls, I will build bridges!
I'm getting real sick of this E3
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FUCK BREXIT AND DRUMPF
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>i will diversity
>culture
p-please s-stop...
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>>380157584
>Instead of walls
>Connect people, instead of separating them
>diversity, culture
yeah
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>>380157584
Is there anything /v/ won't get triggered by?
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B R I D G E S
R
I
D
G
E
S
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>still no Pinochet's dictatorship sim
why even bother?
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>I WILL BRING DIVERSITY
they just can't help themselves
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>Tropico 6
neat
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Tropico 6
>the UK has left the European Union
>instead of walls I will build bridges
>I will bring diversity
lmao and they say /pol/ brings the politics into the games
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>tfw no neogaf account to celebrate sony's e3 win with real gamers
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So when i can get some sleep if i watch Sony's show?
it's fucking 4am here.
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>Instead of walls, I will build bridges
Welp
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Oh boy here comes /pol/
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>>380157760
The whole point is that it's bad though, he's a Castro stand in.
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>>380157584
>>380157717
>>380157724
>>380157760
Well, it's over.
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Link to stream not on youtubes?
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>people hear the word diversity
>they sperg out and have a triggered autism fit
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I don't get it, was that a parody or not?
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Was that a Trump stab or a fake news stab at the end of the Tropico trailer?
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>murrifats getting triggered whenever someone mentions walls
kys all of yourselves
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>>380157767
Yes. Good, wholesome, video FUCKING GAMES HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE LAST ACTUAL VIDEOGAME TO COME OUT WAS IN 2007 WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
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>>380157840
please stop posting /pol/
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DIVERSITY OR DIE
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>Tropico 6
Now this is my type of game! Damn.
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>Tropico 6
Idk why at sony conference, but fuck yeah.
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>>380153141
Stickies aren't for Sonybros.
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>Undertale
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WHY ARE THEY DEBUTING GAMES HER.
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>preconference
>already announced as many games as the other conferences
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>>380157853
political game is political
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Thought you'd seen the last of me, huh?
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>>380157853
Tropico is a game about communism anon, of course they had to reference all that shit
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>Undergay for my PS4
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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oh fuck /v/ just died
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>UNDERTALE
SONY WINS
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>UNDERTALE
SONY WINS
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UNDERTALE
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PS4 IS GETTING TROPICO? WHAT?
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>Undertale
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How long until /pol/fags call the game where you play as a literal dictator is too SJW for them?
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OH SHIT
/v/'s FAVORITE GAME
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>Undertale on PS4
KEK
MY FUCKING SIDES
THIS IS HILARIOUS
FUCK THIS E3
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>this Undertale trailer
Okay that was unexpected
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MENETALE :DDDDDD
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>Undershit
FUCKING DROPPED
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>Undertale
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That’s it, I’m selling my ps4. See you at the Nintendo conference, /v/
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>Undertale
Fuck off
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dude ebin unberdale XDDDactually hype though
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UNDERTALE LUL
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OH MY GOD
UNDERTALE
AHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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It's got the to the point where I just genuinely love seeing stuff like Trump references and diversity in games because i get more joy from seeing /v/ mad than SJWs
You fucks somehow got more annoying because you made even little things overblown, bravo
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>tfw just beat bloodborne 5 minutes ago for the first time
gimme the sequel baby
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>undertale
hahahahaha fucking what
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>>380157947
it implies that the characters are made like that because of diversity and not because they are well thought characters.
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>UNDERTALE
LMAO
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>undertale
WE LOST
WE FUCKING LOST
NOOOOOOOO
PRESS F TO PAY RESPECT'S
ITS OVER
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>>380148634
>pc just lost its most biggest exclusive
sony always wins baby
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UNDERTALE
>>
BLUNDERTALE
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aight /v/ tell me why this is the end of life as we know it. Undertale on consoles
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>People getting triggered by Tropico when it's literally meant to be satire
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>Undertale
wew
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HOLY FUCK HAHAHAHAHAH SONY ALWAYS WINS BABY
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No way.
Sony won.
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>undermeme
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SONY WON
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ARE YOU READY FAGGOTS
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undertale for ps4
weird i tought they would go to nintendo
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WTF is happening?
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Undertale
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SONY FUCKING WON
4 THE PLAYERS BAYBEE
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UNDERTALE IN JAPANESE
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>All the VR and indie trash gets into the preshow so it wont shit up the mainshow
Feels good.
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>defeats first boss
>
>
>ps4 shuts down
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IM A GENIUS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>undertale
really?
was this necessary?
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Sony.
It's up to you to save E3. Please.
Do it when no one else will
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AN INDIEGAME THAT RUNS ON ANY FUCKING TOASTER PC/LAPTOP
AS IF PEOPLE HADN'T PLAYED IT YET
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VITA MENTIONED!
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Why the fuck would you play undertale on playstation?
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>when you realize sony has so many games that they need to pack their pre-show full of exclusives and reveals
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I WANT THAT FUCKING COLLECTION EDITOR
I WANT IT WANT IT WANT IT WANIT WANTWANTANWNATN WANTTTTT
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>Undermeme
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UNDERTALE???
WTF IS HAPPENING?
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>The narrator's voice
This is MTT's canon voice, now
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>>380158074
That trailer was actually kind of great
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memetale is a tumblr game
who cares
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>undertale ps4 with illustrated booklet and a fucking MUSICAL LOCKET
HOLY FUCK SONY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
>coming to vita as well
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK HOW CAN NINTENDO COMPETE?!
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SONY ALWAYS WIN BABY
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terrible
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SONY WON... SONY WON
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NINTENDKEKS BTFO
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VITA MEANS LIFE
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>heart locketI want it
>weebshit
>>
>undrtale
PC lost its only exclusive.
>>
VITA BOYS
>>
Ni No Kuni 2 is the only cool thing they have shown so far.
>>
Is IGN good youtube stream to watch?
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>That locket
Genuinely awesome pack in
>>
Where are all the PC games?
>>
>VITA NAMEDROP
>>
>Undertale
Fucking hell,I can't stop laughing and I don't know why
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>MY HUSBAND'S LOCKET ON PS4
OH MY GOD?!
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Is the sony press conference just 2 clowns showing trailers?
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>>380158108
Tropico 5 was already on PS4, in fact it was a Plus game
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>NI NO KUNI
Yes
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3ds owners btfo
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U N D E R M E M E
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>Queen (male)
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>>380148634
if sonys revealing stuff pre show then they must have a lot of stuff to show right?
>>
NI
NO
KUNI
>>
>Undermeme
wow great conference so far
>>
>>380158368
I haven't played it, and that trailer just convinced me I made the right choice.
>>
This is a Japanese king(male)
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>>380158465
LOL
>PC gaming
LOL
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>>380158113
El Presidente was joking about making their island more diverse it's literally /pol/s game anon
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Sony wins before they even started wow
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literally who
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What the hell, PCbros? I thought Undertale was ours? I'm scared
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VITA GOT UNDERTALE
SONY WONNNNNNNNNNNN
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tropico was taking the piss out of diversity, the nips are making us a laughing stock. boycott sony i'm getting tired anyways im going to bed, you should too.
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>1 vita game announced
Holly fuck, it has been what, 3 years since the last e3 vita announcement?
>>
VITA MENTIONED
I REPEAT VITA MENTIONED
>>
is the king (female) game woah
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>>380158517
Sony pre conference is better than every other conference.
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thanks for betatesting undertale PCcucks
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WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?! IT'S NOT 6PM THIS IS NOT THE CONFERENCE AND SO IT DOESN'T COUNT!
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Sony fucking won and it was only the preshow wtf
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I honestly like that locket.
>>
That locked was fucking goatGet it? :DD
>>
>still no sticky
>>
Okay these last few min of the pre show got me hyped a bit
>>
For a pre-conference there's been a bunch of neat shit here. Undertale not included.
>>
tumblrtale , fuck this shit guys
>>
>>380148634
Why the fuck is the comfy stream hosted on such a trash site. Can't even watch with out SERVERS AT CAPACITY.
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>>380158556
it didnt even start
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>the sony preshow has been more productive than Microsoft's entire conference
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>draw a queen
>call it a king
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>english dub
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>
>hate Undertale
>but love music boxes
That necklaces is legit 10/10.
>>
i-is that....
suikoden war combat?
>>
That Undertale trailer was amazing
>>
>>380158431
>Ecelebs that play games played t-this game!
>It's bad guys!
>>
I always wanted to play Ni No Kuni, so I’ll probably get the sequel. Neat.
>>
Cute catgirl
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Nice English dub
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royal twink?
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>>380158468
SONY DOES IT AGAIN. PHIL SPENCER NEEDS TO STICK AN (impressively small) XBOX ONE X UP HIS ANUS. THE PROPHECY DEMANDS IT
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>this is only the preshow
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>>380158258
so sad about her
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>>380158431
>Pony oc
MODS MODS
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>that beeping in the background
GABEN BEING BROUGHT IN BY FORKLIFT
IT'S HAPPENING
>>
Jesus all that shit in the preshow.
Now I'm a little excited.
>>
>>380158628
how much sony cock can you take before you break?
>>
>royal twink
>>
>>380158802
not a girl
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sony wins
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>this game garnered a huge fanbase when it released on PC
kek undertale?
>Undertale for PS4
oh fuck
>>
>no sticky
SONY BTFO
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>>380158364
we still got nintendo too
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>muh womyn
This meme is killing gaming. Depressed lads, modern gaming has very few to offer even indies are falling for the meme
>>
Is sony really announcing games on the fucking preshow? What will be at the main event?
>>
Ni no Kuni is fucking goat that's likr my most hyped game desu
>>
I genuinely don't understand why /v/ hates Undertale, when it was hyped beyond believe during the demo and especially at launch
It's pretty good
>>
>>380158701
>more productive
>42 games, a new console, streaming service, and backwards compatibility for hundreds of games
:^)
>>
>>380158773
Yeah, it got a giggle out of me, even though I hate Undertale. I won’t lie.
>>
when will the real conference begin?
>>380158765
same
>>
Meredith hasn't aged well
>>
>>380158880
cute catgirl (male)
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>More geams in the preshow then most of E3
Impressed sony
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>>380158683
Shame it had to end with weebshit too.
>>
>>380158892
They'll show a game or two we've already seen
I like Ninty but they can't save E3 for me when I don't have a Switch
>>
>diversity panel
>>
>>380158771
Was it? I couldn't tell if that was like a Pikmin video game or that. ENG dub was too distracting.
>>
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>hold up the royal... twink
>>
>pSEX
>>
>>380158974
Hating Undertale is a meme. /v/ does like it but pretends not to because it's popular.
>>
>that fucking Undertale out of nowhere
>that CE
I NEED IT
>>
HOLY FUCK NOVEMBER 10TH
>>
>>380148634
>chat disabled
what the fuck is this shitty stream sony
>>
Really sad that the pre-show is better than every other conference.
>>
Glad Undertale was pre show
The shitposting would have been massive if Sony acted like it was a big deal in the normal show
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>YFW they needed the whole show for Kojima's big reveal
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This is fucking awful, this E3 has been fucking terrible.
>>
>Tropico 6
>Ni No Kuni 2
For a preshow this is pretty good, off course Sony can still go full retard but this is a strong start. Hope they can keep the momentum
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>ps4 gets undertail
AHAHAHHAHAHA SONY ALWAYS WINS
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>>380158854
CONFIRMED AAAAHHHH
>>
milf detected
>>
Meredith Waifu returns!!
>>
>a panel consisting a black guy a white independent woman who needs no man, and a white cuck
perfect
>>
>>380159035
Leather pleather
>>
>>380158854
kek
>>
>>380158974
everybody and their mother already played it.
>>380159051
most are multiplats tough.
>>
>>380159051
goddammit netherlands what are you doing here?
>>
>>380158949
That women getting blacked while the dude is watching and masturbating
AT THIS E3
LIVE ON THIS STAGE
>>
>>380158974
>>380158773
>>380159014
Samefag
Stop shilling for undershit please. It's a trash game.
>>
off topic here but:
about 2 months ago I partied with my uncle and girlfriend, he ended up knocking us both out and raping her and fell asleep in the bed when I woke up she was behind me and he was behind her, she couldn't wake me up while he was raping her. i saw her pants were down and sat up with the room and house in ruins and he gets out of bed and keeps saying go back to sleep go back to sleep and runs out of the house. shes crying waking up and I take her and sit in the living room and call the cops. anyways he's in jail now awaiting trial they got DNA and stuff and all the evidence but our relationship went to hell and we've been taking a few weeks break now. I don't know if I want to get back with her, at the same time if I don't I'd feel like i'm super abandoning her.
>>
>royal twink
They know.
>>
Stop talking about Last of Us I haven't even played the first ffs
>>380159205
it hasn't even started
>>
>jew
>woman
>nigger
although the amount of games shown so far makes it worth it
>>
>>380159121
>>380158974
>/v/ is one person
>>
IS IGN STREAM GOOD to watch?
haven't watched these things too often.
>>
>>380159014
You haven't played it
>>
>>380158724
Tell that to the niggas who designed chess
>>
OOOOOOOOOHHHH SHIIIIT
>>
>>380158916
She's literally in every Sony event for the past 7 years.
>>
HERE WE GO BOIS
>>
HAPPENIN
HERE IS THE YOUTUBE STREAM WITHOUT BUFFERING ISSUES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POGy4S5_r9s
>>
>>380159329
just watch via sony twitch
>>
HYPE
>>
MODS IT'S STARTING
MAKE THIS A STICKY
>>
>>380159320
>see's a girl
>gets triggered
>sees a black man
>gets triggered
woah...
>>
KITAAAAAAAAAAA~
>>
IT'S HAPPENING AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
>>
LEGGGGGOOOOO
>>
>Undertale
WE DID IT /v/. WE BEAT REDDIT AGAIN!!!
>>
>>380159325
Everyone on /v/ is a bot except you.
>>
WAS THAT NEW SOUL CALIBER!?!?!?!?!?
>>
>>380159329
>4 white people on the panel
yeah it's good
>>
Time to save E3. . .again.
>>
>no sticky
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
>>
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Friendly reminder to watch on youtube or sony site and not shitty restream site like Twitch
Have a cute white girl too
>>
if they dont show DS or BB2 im literally fucking buying an xbox one x and WE pyramids asscreed
this is how much im sure its gonna happen guys lets go whos with me
>>
>that fucking family
Fuck you jews!!!!!
>>
>>380158359
Actually, how the fuck the whole flowey fight will work on PS4 and PSV
Quit to the dashboard?
Make a fake dashboard?
I might get it on a sale just to find this out
>>
>>380159292
Neat
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>White wife & Black husband
HMMMM
>>
IT BEGINS
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>TV
Sony's the new Microsoft
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WHITE WOMAN
BLACK MAN
2 BLACK KIDS
>>
Interracial couple
God fucking damn it
>>
>that interracial couple
>>
BRAVO SONY
>>
>Starting the conference with fucking TV shit
Jesus christ.
>>
>kicking off with PSTV
WEW
>>
>TV
Uh oh
>>
>>380159685
>cute
>3DPD
get out
>>
>THE VR MEME RETURNS
>>
>>380159361
Not her, just womyn in general. E3 has been the womyn uprising
>>
>TV SHIT
>>
truly its 4thegaymers
>>
WHITE WOMAN AND BLACK GUY
FUCK YOU FUCKING HELL
>>
>TV
>>
>>380154469
>18+
Do you know how old Hot Shots is?
>>
>>i have. I got bored of it.
>>
>>380159692
Don't forget to get the $800 edition.
>>
>>380159480
welcome to 4chan
>>
>screen images simulated
Sony Wins
>>
>TV
it's ogre!!!
>>
>>380148634
everything is boring shit.
>>
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>IT'S STILL FUCKING STUTTERING
MY
FUCKING
GIGASIDES
WEW
>>
Why was the black dad there if the kids were there?
>>
STICKY WHEN
W
H
E
N
>>
249 WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK!
>>
>chat disabled
SONY IS FINISHED EVEN THEY KNOW ITS SHIT
>>
>>380159937
no, /pol/ likes that shit
>>
Ahahahahah
>>
DOTA SOUNDTRACK
>>
I think the reason for watching E3 is to feel depressed.
>>
YOOOOOOOOO
>>
A NEW PRINCE OF PERSIA GAME?>???
>>
PISS OFF UNCHARTED I DON'T CARE
LIVE ORCHESTRAS ARE COOL THO
>>
>ass creed
fucking stop with this game already. It's been at three conferences already. We get it.
>>
>japanese conference
>Yooooooooooooooooo
>>
THIS ISNT VIDEO GAMES
>>
POO
>>
POOO
>>
POO
>>
POO
>>
STICKY HERE
>>380152906
>>
uhhh
>>
PRINCE OF PENIS PLEASE!
>>
I like this sort of music, unironically. I hate the style of singing but the music is cool.
>>
I like this.
>>
POO IN THE LOO
>>
the perfect music for POO IN THE LOO
>>
POO IN LOO
>>
>no loo in sight
gettin worried, senpai
>>
WTF IS THIS MUSIC GIMME MUH SHITTY POP MUSIC
>>
>>380160236
link?
>>
The lead is gonna take a shit in front of the audience
>>
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>shitty technical issues
check
>bringing an entire fucking orc orchestra to a game conference
check
Now we wait for the walking simulators to be rolled out.
>>
Uncharted with that nigger bitch
>>
>>380160162
Youtube chat is always cancer
>>
the fuck is this
>>
SIKH BRO IS PLAYING!!!!!
>>
>>380160132
In other words >>>/pol/. Fuck off there.
>>
>>380159751
Welcome 3+ years ago
>>
SOUNDS TO POO TO
>>
>>
we /apu/ now
>>
fuckin hippies
>>
Time for the yearly tryhard music introduction
>>
>haji music plays
Fuck its ISIS
>>
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>Sony E3 Level
>Sitar music starts playing
>>
ANELE
>>
AMD?!
>>
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>>380160242
>>380160272
>>380160282
>>380160302
>>
P
O
O
>>
I think it's great that Sony are promoting diversity, it just proves they're a rich melting pot of culture and that can only be a good thing.
>>
>LITERAL POO IN THE LOOS ON STAGE
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>
wtf sony i had to restart stream
>>
>Uncharted
LMAO
>>
POO IN LOO
O
O
I
N
L
O
O
>>
WE WUZ POOS N SHEIT
>>
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HELLO MY FRIEND!
SELECT YOUR VEHICLE!
>>
IN
>>
A FUCKING WATERFALL
>>
HOLY FUCK! SONY HAS USED ITS MEME POWERS TO GET INDIA TO USE THE TOILET! 4 THE PLAYERS 2020 BOYS
>>
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sony highup here
we're doing a ParappaXSonicXKlonoa music game and going to reveal it near end of conference, cant reveal more
enjoy
>>
Uncharted: Poo Edition? Prince of Persia?
>>
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING
>>
>>380160647
Top post
>>
aBOUSLETLY SONY
>>
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LITERAL APU IN THE LOO
>>
>comfyass music
>waterfall
Holy shit this is how you do a musical performance
>>
PEE WATERFALL
>>
im wondering when the stage is gonna explode
ALLUAH AKBAR right?
>>
>>380160647
exactly what I thought of
>>
Look at all these toilet dodgers
>>
What does this have to do with video games?
>>
WTF IS HAPPENING
>>
ISIS TOOK OVER E3
RUN, RUN
>>
wtf i actually like this song
reminds me of old alladdin days ps1
>>
welp sony already won e3
>>
oh it's just fucking uncharted
>>
>>380160647
toppest of keks
>>
WHERE THE VIDEO GAMES AT
>>
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>>380160706
>>
>>380160732
>Sonic
whyyyyy
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>Uncharted
Meh.
>>
SONY IS BTOFING EVERYONE!!! SIKH BRO IS PERFORMING!!!!
>>
Another black woman.
>>
AAAAAAYYYOOOOOO HOL UP
>>
>>380161090
That's because traditional asian music is dope
>>
HOLLY FUCK A WATERFALL FOR UNCHARTED
>>
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
YES UNCHARTED YES
NADINE IS BACK AND SO IS WHATS HER NAME
>>
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Seriously DLC doesn't excite me
The game's come out. This isn't much different.
ffs
>>
quips intensify
>>
no sound? why is there no sound
>>
Did my sound cut out or is it the stream
>>
the fucking audio sucks
>>
AHAHAHHAAHAHHA WE
>>
uncharted just bores me to tears...
>female protags
one silver lining, since /pol/tards will sperg over this.
>>
Strong Independant Wymn
>>
bUFFER
>>
STRONG WOMEN BARBIE DOLLS. GET OVER IT /V/.
>>
Whats up with the audio?
>>
Hmmm another black protag
>>
>Uncharted spinoff staring unlikable Mary-sue and her soon to be lesbian friend.
FUCK
OFF
>>
>>380160706
uber kek
>>
I predict a sound guy getting fired tomorrow.
>>
Twitch audio seems all fucked up
>>
>>380161487
It's the stream, audio is all fucked up
>>
Will you play Chloe's game, anon?I am only playing this because her VA was great on stargate
>>
STOP MAKING THESE JUNGLE SHOOTER GAMES GIVE IT A BREAK
>>
God hearing these quips come from a woman is really aggravating.
>>
>>380161527
pol loves women gamers
>>
>HALF THE FUCKING AUDIENCE IS BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS
SONY IS FINISHED
>>
I've jerked off to Chloe before
>>
>>380161646
it's not picking up direct feed, only from the theater
>>
wtf is with that smoker voice
she sounds like a robot
>>
You guys ready for uncharted.....With chix :)))
>>
Off to a great start.
1 game and 1 black woman already.
>>
STRONK WOMEN
>>
NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE GIVES A FUCK.
SOMEONE IS GETTING FIRED
>>
>dlc the conference
>>
>Uncharted without Nathan
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
>>
>>380161912
why, do you feel emasculated anon?
>>
>>380161767
>>380161758
>>380161646
Dont use Twitch
Youtube is fine
>>
>>380161960
i played uncharted when i was a kid and in that scene where she stradles drake i left the room because my parents were there and i thought it would be awkward
>>
>neo/v/ retards outed themselves being Twitch babies
jesus christ this place
>>
these sound hypes and intros are giving me the shivers boys wtf
>>
what's up with the audio?
>>
>>380162046
I'm so mad I smashed my plate of tendies
>>
WTF was that thing at the top of the screen when this trailer began?
Was that a glitch in the presentation??
>>
>>380162025
Are all the streams doing this? I'm watching the gamespot stream
>>
Who cares about Horizon, jesus christ....
>>
>sony making it a cheesy "4D Theater" ""experience"" instead of letting the actual games do the talking.
DROPPED
R
O
P
P
E
D
>>
I CAN'T HEAR SHIT SONY
>>
Everyone is just on their phones wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
>>
YouTube stream works fine guys
>>
>for answers
what else is there, didn't the game end with a solid conclusion, didn't she find her "answers"
>>
This is that zombie game
>>
>>380162285
Official sony one is fine
>>
>>380162273
thats the playstation logo you fucking retard
>>
3-5 claps for HZD
as it should be...
>>
muh zombies mane
>>
>>380162408
It's almost like they are all millennials.
>>
>all these nu-/v/ers complaining about sound
WATCH
THE
YOUTUBE
STREAM
>>
Why are they only showing movies?
>>
>>380162285
official stream is on twitch, everyone is setting their stream to the official source
seems to have been fixed now
>>
did the audio just drop for everyone as he got on the bike?
>>
GO TO HELL COPE
>>
>>380162641
Switched, much better now.
Now what is this stupid biker game?
>>
Why does every warrior female (AND men sometimes) in a fantasy setting look like a goddamn perfect barbie/ken doll. Pretty characters aren't fucking believable given the environment. Fucking stupid as hell watching these figurines do dirty work.
>>
>>380162224
YT streams are always behind though for at least 30-60seconds. Hope you enjoy seeing game announcements on chats before they appear in the stream
>>
>QTE's
Yes everyone loves them.
>>
PRESS X
>>
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QTE THE GAME
>>
>>380162881
Yeah
>>
>>
well at least we know it's real gameplay hahaha
clip central
>>
days gone
look at them trees
>>
>walking dead shit
WESTERN GAMES ARE DIVERSITY TRASH
MOVE ON TO JAPANESE
>>
Wow I sure do love Last of Uncharted QTE
>>
QTE WITCHER 3
>>
Yeah, because witcher sense was a fun mechanic.
>>
>>380162971
>>QTE's
>Yes everyone loves them.
Yeah, FUCK that. Is it so hard to just let us knife enemies manually?
>>
hey, thats not a zombie
>>
>>380162937
Because why the fuck would you want to play as an ugly person. Don't you get enough of that already
>>
Press triangle to batman.
>>
WE WITCHER SENSES!
>>
RIDE TO HELL 2!!!!
>>
You can't choke someone to death that fast.
Shit game.
>>
>thunderstorm stops in an instant
kek
>>
BIKER WITH WITCHER SENSE
AKA
BIKER WITH BATMAN DETECTIVE SENSE
AKA
BIKER WITH ASSASSIN'S CREED ASSASSIN SENSE
>>
im so fucking sick of zombie games
>>
>more boring post apocalyptic shit
Oh good.
>>
>>380163179
fuck off weeb
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FUCKING LOL
THOSE CUNTS ON STAGE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA
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>>380163254
glad to see i'm not the only one thinking that
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PRESS B
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PEOPLE HANGING FROM THE CEILING WHAT
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>>380163271
They'll pass out though
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ZOMBIES IRL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>dude what if we like, dangle some real people over the stage
>yeah that'll sell it!
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SONY LYNCHING WHITES LIVE ON STAGE
SONY LYNCHING WHITES LIVE ON STAGE
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Haha! Those fucking retards hanging from their feet on stage.
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Oh gee, another pseudo-stealth game, I sure do love these, so engaging, so fun.
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>>380163541
>>380163562
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>>380161008
>ISIS sets off nail bomb in crowd
>Chaos ensues
>Blood, shit and limbs sprayed all over the audience
>people scream and run for the fire exits
>Suddenly the room goes dark
>Haji music starts playing
>"WAR... WAR NEVER CHANGES"
>Modern Warfare logo lights up the screen
>"4" surrounded by ISIS style flag
>Preorder now to get an exclusive MW4 Nail bomb
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>>380162851
Twitch is fucking up because all the retards use it thinking it will have the better stream, meanwhile youtube is not overloaded and is working as intended
Plus all the ecelebs streaming them streaming the stream for epic bantz on twitch also takes a toll on their servers
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the only zombie game I actually gave a shit about was The Last of Us desu
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>>380163179
Western games make good filler when I'm waiting for my glorious nippon games.
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>>380162224
twitch streams have lower delay
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MY LEG
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>>380163809
>muh latency
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Last of us 2
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>>380163738
>Twitch is fucking up because all the retards use it thinking it will have the better stream, meanwhile youtube is not overloaded and is working as intended
But youtube stream has no comments. I actually like being excited with other people.
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>>380161527
>my life revolves around /pol/
oh sweetie, thanks for thinking of us!
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>>380163562
fucking kek
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>>380163670
With zombies no less! Original and unique! Every aspiring video game developer should learn about market share.
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>>380163709
would not put it past kojimbo
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>>380162947
who the fuck uses chats, they are always going blazing fast because every one thinks that if they spam it, it will make it better
meanwhile /v/ is slow as fuck and a better platform to chat about the stream
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>protagonist talking to himself
Stop it already, no one does that.
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>character talking to himself doing very simple tasks
fake gameplay confirmed
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use the zombies as the weapon, sikh
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>>380162947
no chat on youtube
and are you 12 ?
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ENOUGH DAYS GONE SHIT
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF IT ALREADY LAST YEAR
WHERE IS THE ANIMU
WHERE ARE THE THICC WAIFUS
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>>380164234
r-right
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God I am so fucking tired of zombies. I don't even know why people liked the first Last of Us so much.
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Just Days Gone now
Bye bye by
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>>380164234
>tfw talk to myself all the time
]crippling autism
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niggers bowing kek
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>zombie game
>trailer is all qte against humans with zombies in the background
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>literal sony-gger bowing
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>>380164234
I do...
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W E L C O ME Intensifies
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bears are so cute
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((((((( W E L C O M E ))))))))
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FUCKING BANANAS
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>those sony-niggers
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>>380148634
So many people just don't give a fuck about the conference.
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>>380164234
...anon
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>>380164039
are you a fly or the flash to read those stupid fast chats on the official streams
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>>380164234
I do
not out loud, but I have an internal monologue
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>This is the representative for Sony
Its fucking over
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fuck off no one cares about VR
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Actors bowing to that fucking trailer. This is the cringiness that I was looking forward to.
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>>380164309
He does have a point.
But really I would have been fine if they didn't have QTEs. That was just a very bad start.
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completely INSANE
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that bit of music they played when he came on stage was from Mass Effect 2.
wierd
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GIVE ME SPIDERMAN THATS ALL I CARE ABOUT
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>IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES
>Now here's 20 minutes of vr followed by 10 minutes of ps vue
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>>380164364
It's not even slow, body horror, psychological horror focused zombies, it's just the "fast runner" flavored, bullshit zombies where SOCIAL DECAY is the big centerpiece of plot.
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>storytelling
annoying buzzword
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>>380164701
Yeah where the fuck is Kaz?
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>>380164682
>are you a fly or the flash to read those stupid fast chats on the official streams
I don't read them, I just want to get the excitement when everyone else is. And of course to bitch about bad stuff with others like QTEs.
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Those people in the audience look bored as fuck
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how do you fast forward the stream? had enough of this cunt already
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Stop with the sports go out fucking side Normies REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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THAT FAT SON OF A BITCH DIDNT MENTION NIER
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>>380163214
Because a believable environment is more important than your fucking waifus, weeb.
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>he actually mentioned persona 5
AWWW SNAP WE GETTING MORE WEEB GAMES YES
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>partnerships with third party partners
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Why the fuck do they always get the most awkward speakers possible?
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>>380164883
Thank you for having a good opinion
Despite being one of the most populated on 4chan, that's a rarity on this board
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>>380163968
>LIVE
shitty experience when you're behind everyoen else
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So how about that ape escape
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>>380165169
also on pc, that's why
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>>380164983
A few years late on this question, lil buddy
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>>380165219
It was PSN's best seller on April.
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>>380164540
hey, now we have a webbum to use because we hate (insert system /v/ hates)
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>>380165019
if you dont even read them, why do you need it?
Its like some one buying booze because he likes to look at the bottles
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>>380165205
>Because a believable environment is more important
No, it isn't. Eat shit with your "muh realism".
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THEY ACTUALLY DID IT
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ITS FUCKING OVER HAHAHA
ALWAYS WIN
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>MONSTER HUNTER
NINTENDO IS FINISHED
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BRUH
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SONY WINS BABY!!!!
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MON HUN
> MON HUN
MON HUN
> MON HUN
MON HUN
> MON HUN
MON HUN
> MON HUN
MON HUN
> MON HUN
MON HUN
> MON HUN
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where were you whne nintendo was kill
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FUCKING MONSTER HUNTER I KNEW IT
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>Monster Hunter
FUCK OFF
Boring fucking dog shit rehash
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OMG FUCK YESSSSSS
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AAAAAND
We Won.
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Its over
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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Rip /v/
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Is that MON HUN?
HOLLY FUCK SONY GOT MONHUN BACK
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Monhun with gimmicks CALLING IT
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This is the open world one for the West, right?
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ITS MONSTER HUNTER
FUUUUUUUUUUU
ITS OVER
NINTENDO IS FINISHED
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HOREE SHITTO
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I have a PS4 and I don't give a single fuck about Monster Hunter but OH BOOOOOOY the shitstorm on /v/ will be delicious
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IT'S LIKE MGS V BUT NOT SHIT
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MONHUN MONHUM
I REPEAT MONHUN
SONY WON
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RIP THAT SHIT 3DS PORT LOL
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I don't care about Monster Hunter, but it's good to have it back.
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wtf is this shit? looks like a ps3 game
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>bad skyrim ripoff
lmao sony is finished
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>Grapling hook
WE SPAINDA MAN MON HUN NIGGA
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>monhun back on sony
HOLY SHIT BEST TIMELINE
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>>380166247
It's cause it's an MMO.
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>>380166247
That's what happens one a series has been stuck on the 3DS for half a decade.
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>MONSTER HUNTER WORLD
That BETTER fucking mean no load screens.
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NOT 5 NOT 5 NOT 5
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Sony won again...do you think Phil will live stream his suicide on twitch?
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FUCK now I might have to rebuy a PS4, well atleast this time I'll get a pro and probably discounted too
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>PEOPLE ALREADY LEAVING
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA SONY IS FUCKING DONE THEY BLEW THEIR LOAD ALREADY
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>>380165481
>if you dont even read them, why do you need it?
It is the crowd, anon. Like going to a concert.
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>>380166504
Lol
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ITS PERFECT
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This Monster Hunter game looks like fucking shit holy fuck
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>>380166247
That's because it's a Japanese game
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ITS OVER
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U WUT!
SOTC!
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SOTC
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>>380165545
"Muh" bootiful characters. See how great of an argument that is?
Don't you ever get tired of Ranger elves and Northern barbarians that look like like plastic? Or are you always going to exist as an uninspired fuck? Shit gets old.
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