Is 144fps the new 60fps or just a meme? Consolebabbies

>>380074649
Meme.
Most games don't even go 60 yet.
Trying to boast a even better fps is pointless and just stroking your own ego.

144fps is at the border of being a meme but isn't. You can easily see the difference between 144fps and 60fps, going over 144hz however is rather useless since the limits of human vision start to appear.

>>380075637
>limits of human vision

yeah, no

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>60fps is the standard for years and years
>console finally does 60fps and native 4k
>better meme 144fps now

>>380075637
Limits of human vision are at 45fps really.

>>380076179
>Technological advancement is bad.

>>380076179
consoles are holding the entire industry back

>>380076462
Bullshit I can see 45 vs 60 as clear as day, my vision starts to lose focus around 55

>>380074969
>>380076179
>>380076462
>t.i never saw a 144 panel

>>380076462
>being literally retarded

>>380076562
Xbox One X is stronger than 99% of gaming pcs faggot

>>380074649
100% guarantee that if you had a video playing at 144 frames and another at 100, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

60 fps is plenty
Any more is just dickwaving combined with Jewish tricks

>Yes spend MORE money. You need a special monitor too! Give us MORE so you can feel like you're special

>>380076462
>being this retarded

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I sometimes mirror my desktop on my flatscreen, doing this both are limited to 60 fps, when I play a game like CSGO I instantly notice the difference between 60 and 144fps E V E R Y T I M E

it's not a meme, especially for multiplayer shooters.

>>380076491
>>380076562
>>380076754
Sorry my dudes. Keep pushing the industry forward one frame at a time.

>>380076804
Because all the games have been held back till now faget.

>>380077218
You can't possibly think you can react in 100th of a second

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The real question is
>144fps @ 2k
>60fps @ 4k

I run the former, and I think it is better. The extra frames really help in twitchy games.

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>>380074649
why 144 and not 120?

>>380077218
Your TV looks slow because the refresh rate isn't high enough to show real 60FPS

>>380077449
'no'

>>380074649
60 fps is noticeably shit in fast games

>>380077470
It's not about reacting faster. Everything just feels better and more responsive. If you move your view a lot, like in a FPS, everything is a lot clearer and smoother. I wouldn't say it's a massive advantage but it's definitely noticeable and it's a massive quality of life upgrade.

>>380077812
His tv refresh is prob fine its the disparity between his monitor's refresh and his tv's.

>>380077863
'Yes'

>>380078180
You forgot the part where they either live in their parents basement or live a wagie life with zero outside interests

>>380076930
I can distinguish between 120 and 144.
60fps feels sluggish in competitive games.

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>>380077253
>one frame at a time
I counted 84, but i guess you can't get over 30

>>380078180
so 120hz is better than 144

>>380077797
Because 144 is divisible by 24.
So movies and tv have no weird frame pacing issues.
Just a guess

>>380074649
60fps is enough for most games but not for multiplayer FPSes

I scored a 144hz freesync on sale.

It's night and day for games that can make use of it, but console ports and some meatier games don't get past 60 anyway.

The games that can make use of it though, it's hard to describe how much it improves things.

>>380078253
Keep parroting things like a dumb sheep

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>>380078701
120hz ulmb, yes.

>all those sour grapes

>>380078802
This.

I got better at MP games when I upgraded to a 144, twitch shooters especially.

>>380078860
what does it mean? is the alien happier?

I've never seen a game run in 144hz. Is the difference really worth it?

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>>380076930
I want you niggers to take a position.
Whenever you mention pc gaming you sperg out "muh pirates, spend money on games, you thief, gaming died coz of u :("
But when it comes out to upgrading rig and having a better experience it's "Jewish tricks"

>>380074649
144 is definitely an improvement over 60, but getting graphically intensive games to actually run at a steady 144+fps is not worth the expense.

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it's actually kinda hard playing at 144fps with gsync

it's almost TOO smooth, and it's hard to keep track of everything that's happening

particularly in the new DOOM when there's shit going on all over the place

>>380078654
84 more frames and paid mods. Thanks PC.

>>380076930
>be poor and/Zor cheap
>rationalize poorness by downplaying features
every time

I definitely notice a clear difference but it isn't nearly as significant as the impression I got from what I had read online beforehand

>>380074649
Going even further, 240hz provides such a great experience, even just on desktop use, your cursor feels so smooth and every motion is "alive". While it's hard to power games at that refreshrate and many "Cinematic" titles don't benefit from it. Playing FPS games at high refreshrate is amazing.

144hz is already old news.


240FPS is where it is at.
30 FPS = slideshow


60 FPS = laggy but playable

144 FPS = solid


240 FPS = Like gazing through a crystal window

>>380074649

I bought one myself, switched form 60fps to 144fps for a direct comparison and I cannot go back to a regular monitor. Freesync/Gsync eliminate all input lag.

>poorfag
yeah i sure doo love having 144FPS on quake

>>380075637
the limit of what humans can process is around to 150fps, while our eyes can recive and send signals faster then that uor brain can't really process imputs that fast

>>380078740
120/24=5

Now what?

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>>380079735
As if they're going to shut down nexus tomorrow
Paid mods are going to fail again, and i'll keep playing porn mods for Skyrim and enjoy bouncing breast smoothly jiggling at 144 fps

The only realistic rating is this:

Under 24 fps = slideshow

30 fps = shitty but playable

45 fps = okay

60 fps = good

Over 60 fps = great

The diminishing return kicks in, so being attached to the 120 or 144 is for dickwaving faggots who won't notice the difference between the two.

>>380074649
Meme.
Looks different, but doesn't affect gameplay in any meaningful way. Humans can't even react to 2f windows in fighting games... There's no point.

>>380079371
You're literally retarded

>>380081319


If you can't notice the difference between 240 and 144 you're not playing the right games.


If you can't notice the difference between 60 and 144 your brain is actually malfunctioning.

Its a meme, all the getting better at games is a placebo effect.

>>380076562
I know.
But It's not everyone what have 2 or 4 QUADROS at SLI.
Also I dunno how much billions would cost to produce an game with 144fps 8k game.

So I don't think console is pushing THAT back.
I'm even OK to with an 3ds game ported to be able to play even with Intel integrated shit on a notebook.

>>380081964
It's not about making you better at games. It's about just having smoother games.

The gap between 60 and 100-144 fps is about as large as the difference between 30 and 60 fps

>>380077218
>Postal2.jpg

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>>380081712
If you can't notice the line where it says about comparing 120 vs 144, and not 60 and 144, your brain is actually malfunctioning.

Not to mention that it's retarded past 60 anyway, you WILL get an improvement, but it's so pathetic, that no one on a budget (and that's 99% of all people on Earth) should increase it solely to get that 1% better experience.

There are things which improve your PC experience by 300 percent, like SSD's for example. A component which can revive an old computer like it's a freaking magic wand. Then there are expensive videocards which did improve a lot in the recent years, and will give your a tremendous bang for the buck. Over 60 fps on the other hand? Nothing but a meme for a bunch of elitist pricks straight outta Reddit PC Masterrace shilling club.

>>380081186
oh fuck

>>380076562
they are actually pushing it forward
nobody would develop new technologies just for fedoras to pirate the games

dude this "scarcity of resources" thing is literally holding the industry back wtf

>>380082965
You can reduce screen flare and piss filter effects and just leave texture resolution on high and aim for 120+ even on budget cards. But no that's harder to market to braindead faggits.

>>380081198
All your little PC friends are going to see the money they can make and ditch Nexus. You can still have your bouncing titties for Skyrim anon. Say bye bye after that.

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I got a 144fps monitor and went back to 60fps for a bit because reasons and it was honestly jarring. I know it sounds real snobby and elitist but the difference is there, it's not as obvious as 30 to 60, but damn I really dont want to ever go back to 60 if I can just go 144

>>380074649
It is noticeable but barely, so almost a meme.

>>380082965
The problem with 60fps is that it really only proves its worth in fast scenes. If you're playing a puzzle game, you're not going to see the benefit in a meaningful way, but an FPS or any game with lots of camera movement is a joy. It's highly dependent on the kind of media consumed.

i really hate 144fps snobs
>"you can never go back"

yes you can you fucking elitist faggot, you can get used to any frame rate all the way down to 30fps after a ~20 minutes of gameplay

you used to play N64 at like 15fps when you were a kid and now you say that 30fps is "unplayable" when there is no other option with which to play the game?

>he doesn't have a 240hz already

didn't know /v/ was filled with poorfags

>>380076179
>console finally does 60fps and native 4k
No it doesn't.

>>380074649
Real question is 4k the new 1080p or just a meme?

>>380076179
144hz has been a thing for years you fucking retard

& yes it's much smoother, even fucking Hearthstone feels amazing at 144hz

>>380076462

>console players are so retarded that they see the world around them at 45 fps because their brains lack processing power

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>>380084021
Depends on you set up
For me it's a meme.

>>380081548
Nice argument
And nice misusage of "literally", guess your favourite youtuber or tumblerer taught that

The only meme I like regarding monitors is curved monitors vs ultra-wide vs regular.

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>>380074969
>Most games don't even go 60 yet.
nigger what. i hope you're talking about 4k.

>>380083793

It's definitely noticeable. Sorry you don't own a good monitor.

1080p144hz > 4k60hz

I won't be upgrading until we have graphics cards and monitorsthat can power 4k144hz. Totally not a meme. Honestly 60 fps is kind of shit when compared to 75 fps.

>>380075889
Um, yes. I'm PC mustard race too but between 150-200 fps most people begin to stop noticing the difference. More fps is always better but at some point it stops being worth the increased cost. I wouldn't even consider buying a monitor higher than 144 hz

>>380085005
This.

>>380083670
Nobody but a bunch of Multiplayer-only beer sucking couch dudebros care about that garbage.

Graphics > framerate. And pissfilters don't have any impact on framerates anyway, literally half of the power goes towards textures only, the rest goes towards models drawing all the polygons. Should i remind you that to play any AAA game on Ultra with over 60 fps you will need a 2k+ dollar PC?

An average sukablyad ruskie Dota cancer, moronic Brazilian HUEHUEHUE Counter Strike filth, dumb Niggerfield Chad Thundercock with Doritos covered fingers and a ching-chong korean playing Overwatch from the internet cafe sure as hell don't know that. Those are the only ones who care for the 144 fps meme anyway, wanking on beautiful graphs over the internet, while playing on their 1368x768 TN Lenovo laptop on a dial up connection.

>>380077218
>flatscreen
let me guess, gaming on a piece of shit 40 inch TV with 20MS lag timing instead of 1ms or lower.

144 is not massively discernable from 120 or 100. Also, you'll rarely ever reach that number if you're playing newer games on high settings.
So just a little bit of a meme but not completely.

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>>380074649
144hz is almost a necessity to play high skill fast paced FPS games at a competitive level.

It is less impactful in slower games but it's still nice to have if you don't have to sacrifice visual quality for it. One other advantage is that it prevent tearing without vsync. You don't necessarily need to be at a solid 144fps to see the improvement.

>play on an old 180hz CRT for years
>avoid flatscreen 60hz meme for years
>eventually get a 120hz flatscreen display during 3d memes
>children think 144hz is some "new" standard
60hz has always been garbage

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>>380086104
A reminder that a real pro will manage to destroy anyone on a toaster with 19 inch monitor and a mechanical mouse, while moronic kids with all their RGB memory planks and gaming chairs will be raging and blaming hacks.

>>380080871
Freesync/Gsync adds input lag pleb. It removes/reduces tearing and thats it.

>>380086568
It's almost like some games aren't based on motor skills :thinking:

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>>380086568
Until the face another real pro who has a good mouse and monitor. I have actually played and won tournaments. I doubt you have. Anyone worth their salt will continually spin out anything less than a decent gaming mouse. It's not about magically making you better. It is about not having your hardware hold you back.

>>380086876
>freesync/Gsync adds input lag
False.

The only people who say bad things about 144hz either have never seen a 144hz display, or are too poor to afford one and are upset about it.

>>380087057
People in tournaments get to use the hardware brought by tournament organizer. Those who play from home, it's the last thing to worry about, unless you belong to the autistic group of people who shit in a sock sleeping 3 hours a day, just to get you nickname 1 position higher in the leaderboard.

Good luck keeping that steady 144 fps faggots
Meanwhile I can just max settings and keep trucking at 60 fps

>>380087352
Its in the fucking name moron: SYNC. Holy shit why are stupid people allowed to use the internet, this is dangerous!

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>>380087453
The only people who say bad things about 3000$ golden plated audio cables either have never listened a 5000$ headphones, or are too poor to afford them and are upset about it.

>>380074649
A lot of games i play need to be 100fps plus. At 60 they seem clunky. Like I hate shooters at less than 100fps. Emulated games are find at 60fps and less.

>>380087675
I have a shitty old 2500k and a 390x and I don't drop that far below 144 in anything that's not super demanding. Anyone who can afford a nice 144hz monitor should be able to afford a better PC than me, so no, they won't be having issues to stay at 144 fps.

why stop at 4k
why not 8k
why stop at 144fps
why not 300 fps
why not unlimited
whats wrong, you scared?

>>380076179

you fucking underage nigger

even a standard crt at that time could go at least 75hz most even to 100-120hz

>>380074649

no it's not a meme you consoleshitters, it's better for everything, and it also helps against eyestrain

>>380086568
the difference in input lag and equipment will totally fuck with their muscle memory.

its kind of like asking an athlete to use their non dominant hand to do whatever is important in their sport. Sure they could own shitters but wouldn't be able to compete with anyone who's actually good.

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>>380087920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs0PYCpBJjc

Here's your (You). Consider yourself raped.

>>380087964
Fuck you, you piece of shit.

>>380088024
I play games more demanding than League of Legends

>>380086568
Skill-wise, that's true, but you'd still never see an actual pro player handicap themselves with a 19" monitor and a $20 mouse. On the flipside, there's benefits to having good hardware even if you aren't a pro. (If you're trying to raise your skill level, for example, you'd want to tip the odds in your favor and allow for your hardware to match your upward growth.)

Your argument technically isn't incorrect, but it's a dumb one.

60fps is generally seen as the standard because it's perfectly manageable on current hardware while no sacrificing visuals.
60Hz is also the standard for entry level displays.
Humans can perceive even up to 300fps as an improvement, but you're not going to even manage to get anything but old as fuck games or source engine stuff to run that fast no matter how much money you throw at it.

If money was no object I would like to run my games at 144Hz, but even if I paid for a machine that could handle that right now, it would soon need to be upgraded to maintain that high standard.

Not to mention you need to consider resolution as well, 4/5k at 144fps is not happening.

>>380088259
As do I. Not sure why you think it's impossible to keep 144fps with standard high end hardware. It's basically made to do so at this point.

>can hit 60fps with ease at 1080p on majority of games maxed out
>can't hit consistent 100+ fps due to CPU bottleneck
I really need to look into an overclockable CPU next time I build a rig. 3.6ghz ain't enough.

>>380088173
Don't worry, it will happen when these memes become stale, and Shlomo will order a new batch of fresh snake oil to spill on dumb goyim.

By 2025 they will be telling you how anything lower than 300 fps hurts their eyes, and how 8k gaming is an absolute must, despite the fact that thanks to consoles texture resolution won't be higher than 2k for the most demanding high budget blockbusters.

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just marketing memes and tricks to shank some cash from the gullibles

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>>380088201
>>380087920

>>380076562
>Survival games with crafting
>Battle royal games
>Furry porn games
>Asset flips
>MOBAs
>Ingame purchases
>Fucking crates
Yeah, no, console hardware is shit, but I actually like to play decent games every now and then.

>>380088173
Pls link 8k 300hz monitor.

>>380088709
The Jews really are the best excuse for being poor, aren't they? Can't keep up with the latest technology because you barely make rent, food, and utilities? BLAME GOLDBERGSTEIN!

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>>380074969
t. Retard

its not like you need to always keep a steady 144fps

90 fps is what I would qualify as "Silky Smooth" and its a very visible difference from 60 fps. Even a mid range graphics card can do that at 1080p

>>380088201
You just linked a video explaining how to limit ADDITIONAL gsync input lag, you link a video to reference my point (some randomfag video from youtube btw.). Are you really that stupid that you didnt even understand the video you linked. WTAF

Can the human brain even process 144 fps? Probably not.

>>380089293
> ah, feels bad being poor, mmm?

How original. I upgraded my PC a year ago, to play everything the industry can offer on ultra settings. There is nothing but console garbage, which looks like complete ass. Yet Schlomo still tries to convince me that 4k gaming will somehow change my experience.

>>380083691
Bethesda is not going to allow porn mods on their platform. Children play their games after all.

As someone with both a 60hz and a 144hz monitor, 144hz is unbelievably better. Using the 144hz, and then switching over to the 60hz monitor to something feels the same as looking at something running at 60fps, then immediately looking at something at 30fps. It just looks so shitty in comparison.

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>>380076804
Is that you Geoff?

>>380089840
He's right. Just look at steam stats.

>>380089554
Nope. What you've just said isn't what is explained in that video.

>>380076179
>console finally does 60fps and native 4k

Of what? A screensaver?

>>380077747
I can't stand mouse movement sub 120fps.

>>380089840
Being a PC snob myself, he's not far from truth. Your average PC guy is just as much a waste of life like the average console shitter. The latter is a retarded nigger on welfare, while the former is a teenager with a "for school" laptop who plays MOBA's all day.

IPS or TN monitor for 144hz?

>>380089705
>Already bought into the jews a year ago
>THE JEWS WON'T GET ME THIS TIME, THOUGH!

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>>380090258
Anyone who owns anything TN past 2005 should be publicly executed.

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>60fps vs 30fps webms shows clear difference
>no webms showing 144fps vs 60fps
hmmm really gets your noggin joggin

>>380090615
3/10

>>380090352
My GPU died after serving me for almost 6 years, so i had no other choice. Still, it's a warning for those who play on toasters: you are fine, the industry is fucked, so ignore or the meme kiddos pretending like you are missing something with your old hardware.

>>380090615
kek

>>380090017
On your mother's colossal ass.

>>380074649
I prefer my 60 fps 4k on my 68 inch TV over 144fps 1080p on my second monitor.

>>380084615
That image is inaccurate as fuck, 120hz sample and hold (second row) wouldn't be nearly that clear. Whoever took the picture used too fast of a shutter speed, the total blur should be exactly half of the top image because it's displayed for exactly half as long. People should also keep in mind that when you're strobing like the third image the refresh rate is irrelevant as far as blur is concerned. 60/75/80/100/120/144/you name it doesn't matter, only how long the image is displayed. The amount of blur is determined by the strobe duration/image persistence.

These type of comparisons do as much harm as good when they're poorly labeled and improperly executed.

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>>380076804

>>380085596
No, the point is that I notice when my desktop is limited to 60 hz immediately, two seconds into any game that can run higher and I alt+tab out to set refresh rate back to 144 hz.

>>380088024
I have a 2500k as well, don't call it shitty anon

;-;

Also I have a 2k 144Hz monitor, and I play games decently well, the CPU isn't that important to push frames

>>380091808
you some kinda brazilian monkey with that ancient trash/

How did 144 fps become a thing anyway? Like, literally why that number? 60 was the next evolution after 30, makes sense. Then 120 from 60, makes sense. What's the algorithm behind 144?

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>>380085213
You know that jet pilots have tests that train reaction time with their eyes right? And did you also know that said tests are a lot harder than spotting the difference between 60 and 144 fps?

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>>380092516
> What's the algorithm behind 144

>>380092516
Mostly 3-D movie shit, since 144hz is 6 times faster than 24hz.

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>got a 144hz monitor this year

It's pretty nice. Some games can go above 60fps and it's simply smooth. 60fps is good and only crybabies and retards get offended by "muh 60fps isn't enough and I need to make a console war thread". Grow up. 144fps is better than 60fps and is not a meme. It just depends on what you can afford. Some asshole who can afford a Lamborghini is not a better human than you, unless you care that he has a Lamborghini, then you are just a fucking crybaby shitter.

>144hz is a meme
nah you're just stupid

>>380083979
the average person is a poorfag, goose.

have you finished highschool yet?

>>380092589
I love when people drop irrelevant source-less info into a conversation!

>>380092925
Hope you got a 144hz monitor with actual sub <6ms pixel response latency.

>>380076179
>he never had a 120Hz CRT to play Quake 3 on.
Fucking underage summerfag, go fuck yourself.

>>380076562
You mean people gaming on shitty laptops and 6 year old PCs being the majority are holding the industry back.

>>380093207
Guarantee I'm way older than you sport.

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>>380074649
It's objectively better but not necessary
>150 replies

>>380094151
Where is the objective truth? Waiting for hard evidence, yet none has been presented in this thread.

>>380094368
Objectively one number is higher than the other.

I'd never go back to 60.

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>>38009317 Alright listen up. There is this little search engine called Google. You may have heard of it. If you haven't then you probably know of duckduckgo or bing. So listen up. If you go to your preferred search engine and type in the motherfucking sourcless information, then guess what? YOU FIND THE MOTHER FUCKING SOURCR TO THE INFORMATION!!! Do you really think I would waste me fucking time to find a source for a little shit ass like you? In your dreams! You're not worth it! Get some fucking logic into that brain of yours and use it to figure this out on your own next time. God you little shots are so fucking annoying sometimes.

>>380094756
WTF I MEANT TO SAY THIS SHIT TO THIS FUCKER
>>380093176
FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>380074649
Going from 60fps to 100~ or so fps is worth it.
If your rig can run it then I highly suggest you try it, it feels really good anything over 100 fps will do.

>>380094467
>i have no evidence just take my word for it bruh it's better

144 is definitely better, and I can see it, but for me, it's way too expensive.

>>380091542
>ihavenoideawhatimtalkingabout.jpg
Poor fags gents, they're absolutely hilarious with their delusions.

>>380095568
Go ahead, prove anything I said wrong.

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>>380095723
There's nothing to prove, you're too poor to afford such a setup so you have no place discussing the topic.

60fps is a meme. Looks the same to me

>>380096002
>There's nothing to prove
Brainlet. Nothing I wrote was incorrect.

>>380096276
>Brainlet. Nothing I wrote was incorrect.
Aside from everything but your opinions on this topic are worthless as you have no real world experience nor will you ever. Because you are just salty since you can't afford it.

Have a nice day, make sure you re-apply for your NEETbux on time.

>>380079501
I don't know. Put together a pc with an i7 7700k and a 1080ti, up from a i7 2600 and 760. Went from playing Doom at low-med settings at 1080x60 to 1440x144 max settings and its a huge difference, and it extends to Battlefield, Overwatch, ARMA, and its expensive but so far, worth it since I'll have this sort of high level performance for years.

>>380074649
meme

>>380078860
Is Lightboost a meme? Or does it really work well in games?

>>380096276
Nevermind the hundreds if not thousands of blind tests at this point which all show just about anyone can tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz, many can even tell 120hz from 144hz. I've never bothered to look up beyond that.

Fact is - He is right. You're just pulling shit out of your ass because you don't have it yourself. I do not own a 144hz panel, my room mate does though. It's night and day for how smooth and responsive it feels.

>>380096463
>your opinions on this topic are worthless as you have no real world experience
I have multiple CRT monitors, so that's not true.

>Aside from everything
But which part was incorrect? Go ahead and point it out and show how wrong I am. How is refresh rate relevant to blur (not judder) in a display where the image persistence is not the same as the refresh rate?

>>380097002
>Nevermind the hundreds if not thousands of blind tests at this point which all show just about anyone can tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz
Where did I say anything to the contrary in my post? I don't believe there's no difference in 60hz and 120hz, I was pointing out the inaccuracy in the second row's image.

144hz is so bad lol, hurts my eyes just looking at the low flickering quality
180hz or kys desu

>>380088709
Your right, we need to go back to our commadore 64 320x200i 20 fps 8 bit games. Anything else is a jewish meme.

After owning a 144hz monitor for a year I would say if your choice is between 60hz at a higher resolution vs 144hz on a lower resolution to go with the higher resolution monitor. You get way too adjusted to 144hz. My best example is playing D44M at 144fps and then suddenly being forced to experience those 60fps cutscenes. It just make you want to throw up it feels so bad. Don't spoil yourself.

>>380075637
The doctor said i have 20/20 vision. So i can only see 20fps anything past that is a meme.

>>380074649
i tried out 120hz monitor other day, its nice. i thought 60 would be enough but man 120 is really nice. I guess it would be same for 144.

But in the end i don't think ill fork out the high price set up just for gaming.

>>380097871
That's some ass backwards logic right there, mate. You're making it sound like a major upgrade - which it is. Fellow 144 Hz user here. Hz > resolution in most cases unless you're an editor, programmer etc.

This thread's full of retards as well. People generalizing '30 locked is playable' and 'More than 60 fps is overkill'. You can just tell right away they're console plebs.

30 fps is NOT playable with a mouse. A responsive camera controlled via mouse feels horrible at 30 fps. ~45 is like a minimum there. 60 is good, and every additional frame you can get is very welcome.

If you're playing on a controller 90% of the time, you're neither qualified to answer this question nor is the question even directed towards you since you're console pleb and lucky to even get a locked 30 most of the time.

>>380098882
>t. csgo pubstar pro

>>380097557
When something is practical - it's progress. When something is useless or inefficient when it comes to price\quality ratio - it's a jewish meme.

4k is a meme. 144 fps is a meme. Mechanical keyboards are a meme. Curved screens are a meme. RGB anything is a meme. Liquid cooling is a meme. Sound cards is a meme. Gaming motherboards\memory\chairs\routers whatever is a meme.

90% of this industry caters to retards, hence it's nothing but jewish memes.

>>380076462
Most non-Nintendoes don't even manage that.

>>380098882
30 FPS is completely playable with a mouse you meme spouting faggot. Pic related in >>380096002
post is mine, I also have a 65" vizio I tend to run in 1080p/120hz as well as my other PC running a 6700k + 1070 on an asus PG278Q. Does 30FPS feel good? Fuck no it doesn't. Is it unplayable? Not at all.

>>380097871
Locked FPS cut scenes are annoying but I have never once experienced any kind of physical reaction to it. More meme posting

>>380097409
The fact you think you're talking about something that matters is funny. Please keep going, I'm getting a chuckle out of your posts because I think you might actually be serious.

>>380094016
Then you're fully aware that 60hz has been a limitation and not a standard for pc for over a decade while consoles have been setting this bottom bar as something to actually aspire to

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>>380096002
I'll just add that the 100hz monitor here, the Asus PG348Q does not even have a strobing mode available (nVidia's ULMB branding) nor do any of the others. So you in fact have less real world experience in blur reduction than I do.

>>380100296
>I'm getting a chuckle out of your posts because I think you might actually be serious.
Where was I wrong? I'm ready to learn something new.

>>380089228
>>380093474
THIS
If it wasn't for people and games like this then I would be ok with PC gaming, but the majority is faggots playing MOBAs, unlocking "crates" and "skins" then playing cheap furry and anime games, or kiddies playing the new battle royal/survival crafting/ day z clone of the month.

PC gaming is cancer and everyone knows it.

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>>380074649
how many fps is real life.

im serious

>>380096982
absolute meme that inserts black frames every other frames and will give you an aneurism

>>380087920
https://displaylag.com/reduce-input-lag-in-pc-games-the-definitive-guide/

>>380083691
Thanks assblasted console babby! Don't be mad cause you get cucked to buy inferior hardware. 144 is where it's at, mods won't be paid, lower your autism.

>>380076462
30, actually.

Hence why I play consoles and not PC.

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>>380074649

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>implying you can see past 25 fps

Thanks PeeCee boys but I'll stick to my Halo and console scluseeeeves! Only true gamers game on consoles since they don't care about performance.

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honest answer its not a meme
t. own one myself
everyone else is wrong

>>380074649
Here's the thing.
>nearly all 144Hz monitors also support 120Hz just as well
>60 to 120 is an easily noticeable, huge gap
>120 to 144 is barely noticeable
>120 to 144 is 20% more
>120 to 144 requires a lot more processing power for relatively minimal gain
>solid 120 fps is already hard to achieve if you are also pushing resolution and details/effects as far as you can
Therefore, 144 is arguably a meme but 120 isn't. The way things are currently working, you can sort of expect consoles to reach 120 fps before year 2030, but never fucking ever will they go up to 144 because it won't be #worth. It's also not worth on PC in general, because you should be aiming for 120 instead unless you have a 144Hz monitor that shits the bed on 120Hz for some reason. I don't know if those exist.
That's just for vidya though, for browsing/working etc use you want to just use the highest obviously.

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Building my first PC. What do I change?

>>380074969
jesus christ man

>>380105675
>30fps limit

Only if your vision is impaired

>>380108901
pretty good
u wont be able to use the freesync from that monitor so i suggest u get a 580 or 480
also the case is personal preference but i recommend define r5 or the mini

>>380108901
might be worth while getting the 1600x instead due to xfr

>>380110294
all amd gpus might be out of stock or over priced due to miners

>>380074649
Hell no. Seeing is believing, but it's hard to achieve on anything than online shooters, which it's incredibly ideal for.

>>380074649
its like night and day and anyone that says otherwise is still using a shitty 60hz monitor

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>buy a 1440p 144hz monitor
>only play fighting games at 60fps

>>380104093
There was post a while back that said some guys used a special projector to test it and they couldn't tell the difference past 4000fps or something.

>>380112328
play smooth doom

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>>380076804
It's normal for a new console to be about as good as enthusiast-grade PC hardware at release.
But typically speaking consoles hold back the industry until a new generation is released.

Does 144 hertz on windows 8 work with a laptop that's natively only 60 hertz, but I attach it to a 144 hertz monitor?
I'm thinking of getting a gaming laptop but I'd only play on a bigger monitor.

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>>380112496
oh crap thats actually preddy sick, thanks anon.

>>380074649
It's a meme for most games, but not a meme for certain games (such as CS:GO).

>>380113637
yes, depends on the port/cable and its version though

but 120hz 1080p should work from most hdmi ports

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>>380096002
Not even him, but literally prove what he said was wrong, nigger. This is coming from someone that is part of 144hz master race

>10 years ago
>the human eye can't see more than 24 fps
>5 years ago
>the human eye can't see more the 60 fps
>now
>the human eye can't see more than 144 fps

Make up your fucking minds.

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>>380089228
>Furry porn

You make it sound like that's a bad thing

>>380096002

mad specs bro, and pristine main screen choice.

>>380116136
the human eye can see every frame all at once

>>380079371
If you could steal PC parts easily you would, nigger.

144hz will be necessary for when 4k becomes standard which isn't for a while

>>380105675
You have it wrong. Each eye can see only 15 fps and the rest is your brain tricking you.

>>380116136
If you train your eyes to look for frame skips you'll always see them up into high 100s.
I used to be able to watch 24fps movies but now the panning shots make me nauseous cause I'm looking for it.

You guys are ruining things for yourself.
Just learn to look for what you want, not the flaws.

>>380074649
yes games look fine at 30 fps, of course more is better but its not damning playing old games locked at 30

>>380116136
It's not about seeing that many frames or not. Higher frame rates look smoother to the human eye because the motion is actually happening on screen and our brain doesn't have to make quick estimations in the short time between frames as to what will appear on the next frame. At lower frame rates however our brain has to do that, because the motion is choppier and our brain can tell that some frames are missing.
The ultimate goal of this innovation is to increase the frame rates to such a level where our eyes can't keep up with it and our brain has to work less. 144 hertz is very good, but it probably caps out at around 300 hertz.
Also, this might not even stop there, because if technolgy will be able to allow more and more storage and computing power, we might even go to surreal frame rates on everything just in case we want slow motion replay on captured video, or things like that. Same with resolutions, in case we need crazy zooms.

I have 144hz monitor for 3 months now and its amazing. Only retards that dont play 144+fps games will deny that 60+fps doesnt matter

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>>380086104

>>380121013
Do you need beefy hardware for that in 1080p?

>>380077747
4k is the biggest meme
it can be good for movies that are 4k but not for gaming
You can really see the difference between 60hz and 144hz tho
It even help for eyes pain and headache

>>380093129

of course, if I was still in highschool i would be a poorfag

>144hz
You're like little babies.
https://youtu.be/Fi_CSF-Nedo

It's like expensive audio gear

Yeah it's better by far but everything else sounds like shit in comparison so you're stuck buying expensive gear for the rest of your life

tldr yeah it's great

>>380074649
>just a meme?

I'm going to jail people who use say this on the internet. t. British police

>>380074649
Big time meme. Difference between 30 and 60 fps is night and day. 60 and 120/144 is subtle. Same thing goes for 4k.

>inb4 muh 4k videos look so awesome
Try playing back that same video on a 1080p monitor. It will nearly as good. Bitrate and color subsampling are more important than resolution.

>>380074649
60fps itself is a meme. With the exception of competitive twitchy shooters, 30fps is more than enough.

>>380074649
You are pretty much always going to get more benefits from turning on higher effects than going over 60 fps or 1920x1080.

If you had a 1080p 50" monitor playing Doom on nightmare settings at 60 fps next to a 50" 144hz playing on medium settings at 144 fps the nightmare screen would look way better and the difference in smoothness would be trivial. If you did the same thing with a 4k 50" monitor running at medium settings 30 fps it would be an even more stark comparison. The 4k screen would lose. You might be able to get your nose 6" from the screen and see more detail in some distant objects, but once you sit down on the couch all of that is lost.

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>>380091542
its bait image, the screens are filmed with a camera and the difference is TN vs IPS panel

>>380074649
When 144fps becomes expected id be happy because that means consoles will be doing half that.

>>380124564
What about movies though is it worth it?

>>380123906
kys

>>380076562
> the entire industry is 5% of the pcgamer population who have these "high-end" pcs
oh boy, I'm laffin
at least a half of you are larping faggots who game f2p on craptops

>>380125506
The universally accepted greatest game of all time runs at 20fps with dips

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>>380122785
anon are you ok?

>>380080031
>240hz
At what resolution? Are there even good LCD monitors that support this?

>consoles hold back games
>/v/ is known to still be using a PC with only 128mb of vram

literally less than 1% of posters on this board have a gpu with more than 1gb

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>>380126194
>tfw I run win XP

60 FPS has been the standard on PC for over a decade. 144 FPS is the new standard. Don't be surprised that when consoles finally reach some milestone, PC is already on another level.

I just want to play at 1080p 60hz HDR.

>>380074649
144 is jittery and slow. 200 and above is the bare minimum for 2017.

>>380126194
I fell for the 480 8gb meme so not me

>>380078740
But TV is rather 23.976 FPS, instead of 24.

>>380128942

Monitors aren't 60 either, they're 59.97, just like NTSC standards on TV. They're just made to not display small divisions.

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I might just give up on building a PC. This shit is just too difficult and I always feel as if I'm choosing bad parts.
Is it even worth it to go with a 144hz monitor anyway if I dont play many online games, especially shooters?

>>380127926
(you)

Are you people serious?

Framerate doesn't even real, just play the game and stop making excuses

>>380129785
That's a nice build if you can afford it anon, what kind of games do you like? That would answer the question if going 144Hz is worth it.

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>>380074649
it's a meme, the human eye doesn't even notice a difference past a silky smooth cinematic 24fps

>>380130707
Sorry for being cutting edge and not accepting poorfag shit, faggot.

>>380122145
You're not getting 240 fps on anything even remotely recent. Don't you have a counter strike tournament to be watching or something?

>>380078802

>enough

Only a tard settles for less than they can have because of some arbitrary floor.

>>380104686
>that inserts black frames

Stop posting about things you know nothing about

>>380074649
human eye can't see beyond 17 FPS
Sony wins again

>>380079720
>144fps with gsync

This is basically irrelevant, variable refresh essentially does nothing notifiable at high frame rates, its major strength is fixing the problems you get under 60.

>>380074969
I hope this is bait.

>>380096575

These are somewhat fringe cases

>Battlefield

Frostbite is optimized to an insane degree in these games, you can get 60 FPS 4K on non top-end cards while still the same card struggles to hit 45 fps at 4K in substantially uglier games.

>Overwatch

Not really graphically intensive, it's a stylized Blizzard game so it's bound to run well.

>ARMA

This one I'm not sure on, ARMA ran like ass for me even on top end set up at the time including a 980Ti

>human eye can't pick up more than 28fps
>60 is more than enough
>no human couple tell the difference between 60 and 144

>>380074969
>most games don't even go 60 yet
I'm not touching anything that limits me to under at least 150fps. I'll be flexible for early access stuff like pubg for example, but 60fps just doesn't cut it anymore.

>>380079720
Why are you running g-sync? it is unnecessary as long as you are pushing beyond 150fps all the time.
Disable the g-sync meme

>>380096575
>6600K and 1070
>frame drops in Fallout 4 to 45 at 1080
JUST

>>380092516

It was technology limitation. They were trying to get higher FPS but they could only get one more 24 cast before the final VBLANK on the panel with what was available on TN panels at that time.

Nowadays that's not longer a hard limit, hence why 240hz panels are coming out now and we'll likely see more in a few years time.

Monitor tech stagnated a bit in the 2010-2012 window, but has ramped up to historical speeds now (Going from first consumer 4K to 8K panels within a couple years, Full SRGB range panels, etc)

>>380134938
>playing Shitout 4
neck yourself, todd

>>380135147
>Batman Arkham Knight
>frame drops to 50 on a regular basis
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>380134938
I remember when Ryzen came out and everyone was shitposting using a fallout 4 benchmark as though it actually meant something.

>>380131149
probably will play terraria, dark souls, tes series, fallout series...
shit, i really dont even know beyond that. ive been a tired gamer for awhile. i just want a pc in my bedroom that can also play video games too

>>380076179
>console finally does 60fps and native 4k
gave me a laff

>>380125448
Mild improvement. 4k demo material blows people away, but play the same video on a good 1080p monitor at it will have a similar effect.

Color and contrast beat resolution in terms of video. And can only ever look as good as the source material. If the lens wasn't sharp it doesn't matter how high you take the resolution.

>>380135753
I just find it funny how people are overrating PCs. Putting all on Ultra will max even a 1070 at only 1080 60fps. Yeah you can do better with a 1080 and 1080ti, but how much better? 4K 144fps better? Not in a million years. 4K at 30 fps at best with everything at Ultra is what I expect of a 1080.

Consoles like Scorpio is going to be 4K 30 fps with everything at low and having frame drops.

>>380137562
Nah you have extreme diminishing returns going from 144 to 200 or 240hz. You're only able to notice if you have both monitors side by side, unlike with 60fps/120+

>>380137145
That Ultra* always comes with caveats too, like no AA.

>>380098231
20/20=1, jackass. You can only see 1 fps, holy shit, did they teach you nothing in school?

>>380123906
t. Consoletard who never played on a PC

>>380076562
>consoles ruined my life

i'm sorry for you

>>380079735
>paid mods
only ever going to happen on consoles, just like paying to use across the board multiplayer services on top of ISP costs.

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>people now argue if the human eye notices a difference between 60 and 144fps
>i 'member when it was between 30 and 60fps

The only reason why I don't get a 144 monitor is because I would be paranoid trying to achieve 144fps in every game, so I prefer staying at 60 for now

>>380104093
Not really a concept you can apply to perception and processing of images in your headbrain.

why would you want highr fps when lower fps lets you see the details bette

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8
Decided to just use my 60hz Benq 24" inch TN monitor instead and a 1060 card

How does this look? I didn't wanna spend a lot and regret it

really seriously, I though that 60fps was the limit of human sight, anything higher and you wouldn't see the difference

so what is the limit then? Is there any precise way to measure it?

can't really test it now, my monitor is 60hz

>>380138010

this is same speak 60hz fags used to use

get with the times

>when you're constantly thinking about how to upgrade your pc further
>when you're constantly changing graphics settings of a game to improve your experience

i feel sad for you, pcbros.