PAID MODS

>>380040626
>this was one of my better analogies
Is living with functioning autism as bad as it seems?

I have one question.

Who gives a fuck?

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The company isn't offering the extra shit.

Your neighbor is. The pizza delivery guy sees your neighbor bring over a 2-liter bottle of soda and starts demanding that he receive 75% of that soda's value because technically you wouldn't be drinking that soda if he didn't bring the pizza.

You fucking cuck shill.

>>380040626
Bait, hook, line, entire pole, and even the fucking tackle box.

>paying for something people do for free.

Making paid mods turns modding, something unique and great about the shitshow that is the corporatised world of gaming, and making it just another part of that shitshow.

>food analogy

>>380040945

the delivery guy is also the one offering to host your neighbor's soda and deliver it to you

At first I was a bit skeptical about the whole Creation Club announcement but when I read through their official website, it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole

I am really excited.

>>380040626
>food analogy
wow thanks anon I was getting hungry hahaha

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>>380041103
Not necessary considering your neighbor can do this for free and with less hassle. He's been doing it for free and with less hassle for years.

>>380040626
At first I was a bit skeptical about the whole Creation Club announcement but when I read through their official website, it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole.

I am really excited.

>>380040945

No, your neighbour is going into business with the pizza place and supplying them with extra ingredients. If you want them on your pizza you'll have to pay and both get a cut.

You're a fucking moron.

>>380040626
>>380041165
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0D7Az2LWq1m

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>>380040626
>People makes shit for free
>Companies force you to pay for them and literally get a profit from free shit
Imagine being this fucking dumb. Kill yourself OP

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>>380040994

People don't do stuff "for free". Not all but making a mod is WORK, it involves work, it involves hours of dedication for half of them. Having modders as your personal whores isn't good either. The "only paid mods" solution isn't good but there should be an option to be able to ask for at least a minimum donation for your mods to be downloaded by other people.

>>380041217

Yeah, and now he's getting paid for it.

>>380041337
Nexus lets you donate to modders already you dipstick.

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At first I was a bit skeptical about the whole Creation Club announcement but when I read through their official website, it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole

I am really excited.

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>>380041103
Nobody fucking asked him to.
Nobody fucking wants him to.

>>380041103
well who the fuck asked him to do that

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>>380040626
more like
>sells you pizza with shit on it
>your mom takes the shit off
>pizza seller sees this and says they'll pay your mom for removing the shit from their pizza
>you just have to give the pizza guy 75% of the money

its beautiful really.

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What if Obsedian makes a mod for fallout 4 called Fallout 4 New Vegas and sell it on the steam store for 60 bux?

>>380041337
>there should be an option to be able to ask for at least a minimum donation for your mods to be downloaded by other people
Nexus had this option for years.

>>380041268
When beforehand your neighbor simply gave the extra ingredients to you at no cost because he's a pizza enthusiast and wants everyone to enjoy pizza as much as he does. Now he doesn't do it out of love. He does it to survive. And the pizza company takes 75% of the profit when they do 0% of the work.

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Come on you fags, they know what they're doing.
When did Bethesda ever disappoint? They just need some money to proudec Skyrim 6.

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>>380041392
Getting 25% of the profit off of something you did 100% of the work on is not getting paid. It's getting fucked.

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>>380040626
>orders a pizza
>it arrives
>I pay for it and put it on the kitchen table
>go to spice it up with some sriracha
>pizza employee in my cupboard
>"Woah now cowboy! That's gonna be an extra $4.99."

>>380041431

I mean mandatory donation, as in bandcamp. You can choose to put it for free or ask for a minimum of 10 cents or whatever.

>>380040626
>food analogy
amerifat detected

>>380041295

You realise the creator's opt in for this right? Bethesda don't just hijack their mods and start charging for them.

>>380040626

worst food analogy ever

>>380041337
But you can donate to modders. The Nexus has links to paypals etc. You can probably also set up a Patreon. And if you're good at modding you can use it in your portfolio when you're trying to apply for a job in the gaming industry.

What Bethesda are doing is scummy. The provide zero value while adding a potential cost to consumer just so they can take a cut of it. And they're not even bothering to fix their buggy games.

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>>380041519
I agree with this poster who was not paid to make this comment.

Bethesda make great games and you should buy all their DLC.

People who make food analogies should be shot

>order pepperoni pizza
>on the way to my house, someone stopped the delivery guy and added sausage and peppers to it
>now I have to pay for the sausage and peppers too

>drink some water from my tap
>pizza guy sees this
>hey I'll sell you this aquafina for 5 bucks
>but I can get it from the store for 1 $, or hell I can just drink water for free
>FREE!? FUCKING ENTITLED PIECE OF SHIT WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING!

>>380040626
Whether or not paid mods are okay, I imagine it's more of a symbolic type of thing.

They're making something that's traditionally been free (for quite a while too) and putting prices on it. It's a bit difficult to not see it as an attempt to milk more money without regard for consumers.

In respect to the analogy, it's like the toppings have been put on the pizza for free for the past decade or so, but then they start charging you for them (even though the pizza joint is doing okay for itself).

I don't agree with the immediate shitfit about it. While it's not exactly an appealing concept, whether or not it's okay depends on how they go about implementing it. We just need to wait until we find out more.

Also, I haven't really been following the E3 stuff, so sorry if we have details and I'm being a huge dumbass

>>380041472

Well shit man, if he wasn't able to survive beforehand how did he even get to this point?

>>380040626
>literally find one flaw with my arguement.
video games aren't food

>>380040626
You do realize that you do not ask the delivery dude for extra shit once he is at your door? You do realize that BEFORE your shit gets delivered you already clarify what you want and agree to the offer made to you? You do realize that your analogy does not fit at all and is shit by default because its a food analogy? I will correct it for you:

>order a pizza
>pizza arrives
>tastes like shit
>"ey m8, something is missing here I think"
>"well our pizza only reaches its optimal taste with these special ingredients"
>"can I have some then?"
>"sure, that'll be $10 each"
>"why didn't you put this stuff in there in the first place?"
>"because fuck you thats why"
>pizzaplace proceeds to slaughter their pizzas to a degree where they basically give you raw ingredients and charge you extra for making them edible
>other places see that this is easy money and take over this practice
>hunger to death

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>>380040626
>order a pizza
>pizza arrives
>3 slices are missing
>ask delivery dude if I can get a complete pizza
>"I can get 3 more slices from your neighbor but that'll be $10"
>WHAT? I HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR THE WHOLE PIZZA I ALREADY PAID FOR? GREEDY FUCK!

>>380041268
Meanwhile your other neighbor offers ingredients for free and receives donations from those that appreciate his contribution to making the awful pizza edible.

>>380041271
This is very, very funny

>>380041621
thats how Paid mods worked too bucko

>oh but bethesda will decide who goes in or not
because that worked for valve's greenlight right?

>>380040626
Also just saying it'd be in everyone's best interest if this was free
>Inb4 muh modders wont get paid :((((
If you are into modding for money you're fucking autistic go get a job as a pizza delivery guy or something
(Also implying this is not a was for b*thesda to get their jewgold by fucking over greedy faggots selling their XD_WEED420_XxX Pimpboy skin)

There's a gaming lounge at a nearby mall where you can rent a table with a PS4 and several games for $5 an hour.
You can order any drink they serve free of charge, so long as your personal total is below $5 of their store price.
That's what the videogame industry used to be and should be - pricy but all-inclusive package.

fuck analogies
>thing is like thing therefore im right

I hope Bethesda goes broke because of this, fucking shitheads

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>paid bug fix mods

Man, is 2017 a good year to be a pirate or what?

>>380040762
It seems like it is.

>>380041809
Through the generosity of his neighbors who actively chose to donate money to him for his hard work improving the pizzas. He received ALL of those profits and everyone was happy.

Going into business means everyone is unhappy except for the pizza company who is now making money for doing absolutely nothing.

>>380041337
No there shouldn't be some mandatory donation. People used to make mods because of their PASSION for a game, they got praise and a lot of notoriety and sometimes led to big companys picking them up.
No one should have to pay for mods that have been free since for ever and no one will. Sure some will donate to help, thats fine. But if its required, the chances of people buying that shit is slim to none

>>380041770
its not them putting the toppings on though.
it's like a friend of yours came over every day and then the pizza guy paid the friend but charged you extra for the pizza.

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I do agree with OP's analogy, it is completely within their rights to charge people for offering mods of a game of their own creation.

I don't think it is smart business strategy though, they will make a couple thousand at most through this, and it will be at the price of alienating the sense of community modders have around games. They make a lot of money as it is and to treat the fanbase (and the gaming fanbase is one of the most loyal consumers in the world), just isn't worth the pennies they will make in this.


It isn't just greedy business it is the disgusting side of capitalism. Let's not kid ourselves, this decision was made in a board room, not a developer's team den.

>>380041256
Heyo todd

>>380041463

/thread

>>380041938
It's almost like they want us all just to become pirates.

>>380040626
That analogy only works for dlc, when they don't take out a slice and try to sell it to you for extra money.

>>380040945
This. Bethesda is pushing this because it is nothing but wins for them. They get free and sometimes better content for their games, they get free money for letting other people make it while they charge AND they get to pretend they're doing us all a favor at the same time. Seriously fuck them, you wanna support a mod creator do it with pay pal or bit coins not these fucking credits.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnq_9Oxuk4M

>>380041549

"100% of the work" within the game Bethesda made. Do you think other digital storefronts don't get a cut? Bethesda's storefront has the unique benefit of products that don't work without their product.

this has been descussed to death already.
theres no fucking way bethesda can worm their way out of this.

Even retard normies understand its a bad thing now.

>>380040626
company didn't make the mods
and most of the mods happen because there is something lacking in the game itself
they're just trying to claim someone else's work for profit

>>380040626
>asking the delivery guy for a soda he wouldn't have brought with him unless you ordered it in advance

Bad try fag

>>380041569

It's not a donation if it is mandatory.

>>380041972

> People used to make mods because of their PASSION for a game

Lmao what is this, some patriotic 4th of July speech gamer rip-off?

Gotta pay the bills anon, morally judging people in a system that encourages dying and being homeless if you don't earn money motivates a bit.

Also before it was fucking NERDS and obsessed people who made most mods, and it was a lot less people.

>>380041456
...The mod creator looking to receive payment for work.

>buying soda from the pizza parlor when they upcharge it by 500%

THIS IS JUST MORE PROOF THAT PAID MODS ARE A BAD IDEA.

food analogies are brapposting tier

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>>380041271

>>380041938
Even better, paid obligatory script extenders for other mods, which are also paid. There is completely no loophole which enables modders to enforce codependancy on other mods to maximize profit.

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>>380042123
>"100% of the work" within the game Bethesda made.
Irrelevant. If you really think that way then you should give 75% of your fucking paycheck to the CEO of the company you work for because he decided that your work would be meaningless without his company.

>>380041868

Then go with that neighbour. It's not fucking rocket science you imbecile. You're not making some kind of profound point.

>>380042301
>paying the bills with your hobby

You can argue all you want but the bottom line is Bethesda just wants to nickle and dime their customers

>>380041987
>Bethesda is now on the same level as street trash peddlers
What a time to be alive. How low can you go from here?

>>380041271
This was beautiful. Thank you

>>380041271
keked
those redditfuck really will defend anything seriously

>>380042468
/thread

>>380041621
>Oh, see, you can get paid an astounding twenty five percent (25%!) of the price we put on your mod! Wait, you don't want to get paid for this? You want to do this for free? Well, guess you're going to the shadow realm bucko! Guess you don't make the Quality Cut™!
It's like something out of one of those AnCap memeballs

>>380042301
Don't make mods if you're so destitute you have no income. Easy.

>Order Pizza
>Pizza Arrives
>Pizza is half baked, ingredients are missing
>Finish the pizza yourself
>Pizza company says that'll be 100 pizza tokens, which is $10.
>Say fuck no
>How ungrateful, you can't have a baked pizza without paying extra!

>>380040626
I don't see a problem with paid mods as long as it's not mandatory. If someone wants to release something at a cost, let them, and if it's shit nobody will buy it anyway, no harm done. If someone wants to release something for free, great. The modding community still exists.

>>380040626
>customizing the pizza after it arrives

>>380040626
>Food analogies

Oh boy

Even so

>Buy pizza
>get it home
>want to put my own stuff on a pizza
>have to pay pizza place to put my own stuff on it

Mind you I'm a mod author, I know I could make money off of it but realistically its just no feasable way for quality control, while if you make a "Only these people can make money from mod" arguement you completely negate the entire concepts of mods

>>380041875

>thats how Paid mods worked too bucko

This is paid mods. What's your point? If something's garbage it likely won't sell. It's not like Nexus sites are a bastion of amazing content.

Greenlight was a public voting system.

>food analogy
cut your fingers off so you never post again

>bethesda releases paid mods
>someone buys it and lets everyone else use it for free
>bethesda sees this and then starts limiting what players can mod and only paid mods are allowed
>we're going to get threads with mspaint comics arguing that free mods are like stealing ham from a store

We need to talk, let us calm down and look at the newest reveal about paid mods. I think it is a good step forward for a better gaming industry. It is healty no matter how much you don't like it. In the end it helps people, gamer like you or the Player to create and profit from his creation. "Content creator" need to be established as a worthwhile job in our society. This is just the first step and with a growing, divers and open platform we got in the gaming industry we might see more change to come. This is another point, you, the gamer, should start to learn to tolerate that because there is no way back. I mean, do you really believe Bethesda is going to do a 180° turn? Do you really hope that a Multi-Billion Dollar Industry just drop all their PR risk? This is the current state now, at least the Player understood it and i hope you will understand this too. Said with that, let us reconsider the model of "Paid Mods" I know you do not like it but try at least for a few moments to think about it how it could be better. What need to change on you or how could you change, how can we help you to change ....and so on...vise versa... that you can live and support this new model. Not that we need you, but it would be nice to have you continue in this hobby and support it.

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> Order some takeout
> pizza guys hears me over the phone from outside
> offers to make me the same thing out of pizza instead but at a higher price
> Say no
> "WHAT THE FUCKS WRONG WITH YOU ENTITLED SHITS? CANT YOU SEE I'M MAKING IT BETTER?"

>>380042191
The most disgusting thing about this is the fact that Bethesda obviously relies on modders at this point and perfectly knows that available mods for their games push their sales. Now those fuckers not only milk this cow, but also want to slaughter its offspring.

>>380042310
Mod creators looking for payment can ask for it directly and receive 100% of what people decide to give him. If he doesn't get enough it's because the community doesn't value what he made and the free market fixes everything. He shouldn't be expecting to get paid for shitty work. The community is always willing to support good work even just through donations. FORCING people to pay and then giving most of that money to people who had nothing to do with the mod creation is a bullshit system.

>>380041569
If it's forced then it's not a donation

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is bethesda gonna C&D nexus mods and other places with mods?

>>380042478
If you want to be childish then sure, but I didn't say that so you'd be wrong to infer that from my post.

It is shitty business from a company that has long been producing games with a half-arsed attitude, that is what I said.

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>>380041938

>>380041920
holy shit this
i fucking hate analogies, especially food analogies

>>380042689
>This is paid mods. What's your point? If something's garbage it likely won't sell. It's not like Nexus sites are a bastion of amazing content.
They widdled down the shit pretty easilly.
I can find good mods way faster than good games. That and they're free so if it sucks it sucks.

>>380040626
Except its more like going to your neighbor for some ingredients and the pizza man got all shitty you didn't give him his cut.

>>380040626
dlc isn't the same as mods

>>380042605

But unemployement rates are skyrocketting and the age of access to a job is increasing every day so many young people are forced to stay with unloving parents so they turn to their hobbies and precarious shit for money.

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>Neighbor sees you eating your pizza
>"Hey bro, I love that brand of pizza. You want some of this seasoning I made? It goes great with that brand of pizza!"
>"Wow, this makes the pizza even better!"
>Pizza Delivery boy bursts through the wall
>"Y-YOU CAN'T DO THAT! YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THAT SEASONING!"
>"But you didn't make it. And besides, it improves your product, so having this seasoning for free makes me more likely to buy more of your pizza."
>"B-BUT! YOU! WE'LL PAY YOU IF YOU LET US SELL HIM YOUR SEASONING!"
>"But you'll get the majority of the profit. And besides, I made this seasoning because I like this pizza. I didn't make it with profit in mind and if my friend wants to reimburse me because he enjoyed it, that's his choice."
>"YOU ENTITLED SHITS!!!"

>>380042383

Yeah, the guy that creates a good script extender will be like a mafia boss, licensing it to the prole modders, taking a cut from their sales along with Todd.

>>380041984
That's true

I just said it like that because it didn't really matter in the context of a symbolic dick move instead of a direct/blatant dick move

>>380041965

You think donations from sporadic people will come close to the 25% cut on a great mod? It'll bring in people from more platforms and PC players who never modded anything in their life. Convenience dawg.

>>380042123
>Reusing assets

Most of the mod authors that used the paid mods for skyrim were making homebrew assets making it 100% of their work

Beth original assets are ugly as sin, and the coders are FORCED to use beth's scripts otherwise you don't get a mod

Saying that beth deserves money because they took the ability to add code to their game sounds like a racket

>>380042310
The mod creators get fucked, too. They need to pay to be on the service in the first place.

I'm pretty sure the only reason Todd didn't show up is so he wouldn't have bricks thrown at him as soon as they revealed that shit.
Literally who gives two shits about a middle school graduation?

>>380040626
So you want the mod to go away and you have to keep buying it like a food product. The only thing related to your shit is the Bethshit out my asshole.

>>380042875
Chill anon, after all a good food analogy is like a good hamburger, with many tasty layers of arguments in a toasted bun of logic.

>>380042960
You overestimate the amount of people who are willing to pay for something they've been getting for free for decades.

>>380042960
>implying anyone will actually pay for mods
25% of 0 is 0

>>380040626
Still not paying for mods, see you in a couple months when you fold on the idea again.

> Order a pizza
> Pizza guy asks if my wifes son would like extra ingredients
> I exclaim no
>"EXCUSE ME?"

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>>380042429

Are you fucking kidding me? That's the whole point of employees. The boss makes a fucking ton more money from your work than he pays you. Why else would people hire? And don't forget the cut you pay the fucking government for working in their country.

This might be one of the most retarded posts I've seen in a long time.

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Mods are the reason people still buy bethesda games despite them being pretty crappy and outdated compared to other AAA titles.
But bethesda wants to double dip and get paid for the mods too.

>pizza place in town notorious for serving uncooked pizza
>community of passionate chefs dedicate themselves to going around completing the pizzas
>pizza place sees this and starts demanding you pay them for the other chefs work
>"We'll give them a 25% cut"
>"we'll help them pick ingredients that go with our pizza"
>"We'll moderate it so the other chefs don't ruin your uncooked pizza
>Doesn't care that the system worked fine before
>just wants money

>>380042758


I have a feeling like that is the first time only obvious trolls and genuine paid shills post shit like this. Literally no one can defend this concept without sounding like Shlomo Shekelberg eyefucking your shekels.

>>380042960
>Donations are weaker than paid mods!

Some "Devs" on loverlab probably make your paycheck in a week from their paterons

>>380043124
but then you keep seeing the same hamburger and then they start throwing in bad ingrediants. And just because it's a hamburger analogy it doesn't matter if its a bad hamburger.

>>380041468
>Obsedian
no one you cared about works there now, issue is dead, deal with it.

>>380040626
Who the fuck adds toppings after the pizza has already been delivered?

>>380043124
Kek

>>380042841

>not giving your money to the cancerous gaming industry
>bad

It desperately needs another collapse.

>company offers more stuff for more money
It's not the company offering stuff, it's the company monetizing the work of others to try and make a quick buck out of it.

"company offers mores stuff for more money" in the games industry is called DLC. Something that actually comes with warranties and actually involves commissioning devs to make new content.

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>>380041271

>>380042626
the problem is that the mods will be split
free and paid, most likely exclusively because mods usually are built on frameworks other mods laid down

>>380043252
The point was to give up 75% of his paycheck AFTER all of those deductions. And then being perfectly OK with that.

>>380042429
Rekt

>>380043325
Food analogies are shit for a reason.

Mod community will die, many mods use assets from other mods to work properly. Because modding was a fucking community.

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>>380040626
>they expect faggot millennials who already pirate the shit out of everything to pay for mods

>>380043252
Friendly reminder that the boss / employee model we're all used to is a pyramid scheme, but nobody cares because we know we can't do anything about it.

>>380040626
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>>380043252
Nah you're more retarded than he is. If Bethesda wants to treat mod authors like employees and profit off their labor they should fucking hire them

There is absolutely no way to say bethesda is good guying this either.
if you say that then you're saying they're not in it for the profit.
Which is their exact arguement as to why this is a good thing they're doing.

Pizza

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>food analogies.

The problem with modder communities is that they are COMMUNITIES that make the mods.

Most modders don't make all the coding that go into their mods, they don't make all the textures, they don't make all the models. They ask for help on forums, if you ask any modder where they got their start, they probably got their start on a forum specifically dedicated to modding that game. They were taught for free, they were given input for free, they were given assets for free, they had people on the forum beta test for free, and the reason they got all that help for free is because the expectation was they were making a gift for the community, that they were going to give back to the community, FOR FREE.

Many mods have since been discontinued or dropped and picked up and re-done or tweaked by additional authors. Many mods are just cram packs of several other peoples mods put together for compatibility, many mods are derivative or outright copies, some are even stolen outright.

A big company steps in at the very final process and tells people they can make some money off their mod, but this completely ignores all the support they've already received. If they are making these mods to make money then they are not making a gift for the community, they are running a business, and you have to pay for assets, you have to pay for testers, you have to pay for coders... etc.

TL;DR - A charity can't run itself as a charity collect donations and then change it's business model after it gets the donations and just start selling those donations.

>>380043124
I did laugh at that, I guess food analogies are just like alphabet soup, informative and fun!

>>380043372

But that's what your paycheck already is. That's what having a job is.

>>380040626
>Make mod like skyUI
>literally dictate who can interact with my mod or not
>let 70% in while making another 30% pay me a portion of their profits
I like capitalism as much of the next guy but this is a classic cooperative game in Game Theory(mathmatics)

Literally no need for competiton

>>380043418
Not really. They'll just go through another avenue to distribute and pirate paid mods. The process becomes a little more convoluted, but if major game publishers can't stop people from cracking their video games, some greasy greedy 18 year old modder isn't going to stop people from ripping his hard work from his clenched talons.

>>380043437
They're targeting consolechads and children with access to their parent's credit cards.

>mod piracy might be a real thing in this lifetime
Also now I want pizza and everything is closed you stupid fuck

>>380043281
This. A bethesda game without mods would be...interesting.

>>380042797
Not really something a sane person or company would do seeing all the backlash, but the average bethesdrone would eat shit no matter what in the end. Blizzard and EA already proved countless times that as a big company you can slap your customers across the face and get away with it.

>>380040626
Terrible food analogy

>pizza is announced
>mite b gud
>releases, good praise so you order it
>pizza man arrives, you get your pizza
>don't finish it
>2 days later, its stale
>"I wonder what people are doing to improve this"
>some anon is shipping free sauce
>you order it, tastes less like stale and more like new
>PizzaCorp wants a cut of that free sauce but realizes people would pay for it
>PizzaCorp facilitates and strikes a lucrative deal with Sauceanon
>you have to pay for the sauce now with the promise of better ingredients

I mean make your own mods if you give that much of a shit. Don't complain because people are trying to make money off of their hobby

Unless Bethesda is going to give modders more than fucking 25%, there's no way you can justify this bullshit.

>b-but my starving modders

Donate then.
they'd recieve more money too.

You're litterally arguing to put a middle man into a project.
holy goyly

>>380043540

This will probably become a job for a lot of people. Tons of people make a living off of Dota 2 hats and a good living too.

>>380042084
You are correct, but this is a thread created by Bethesda shills.

>>380042797
Well nexus ya sure did a good job of making sure everyone put 100000s of hours into skyrim...
Now take off your fucking pants.

>>380043602
Then give up 75% of your paycheck. Fucking do it. Only then can you claim that paid mods are a good idea for creators.

The only party this benefits is Bethesda. Literally everyone else is either inconvenienced or straight up fucked.

>>380043602
>Getting taxed by a corperation
>Make 20 dollars from mod
>actually get 5 dollars
>taxed out by 30% state/federal tax
>3.50 dollar out of a 20 dollar project

Its a fucking pyramid scheme

>no porn mods

This is really the reason why it will fail.
Japan understood this.

>>380040626
Now imagine the pizzeria charges extra for basic condiments and spices

That's the equivalent of paid mods

>>380040626
You know you're going to have to pay for the Pizza. You should probably start with that you fucking idiot.

>>380040626
That's DLC. Paid mods aren't the work of the game dev, they're the work of modders. Mods being introduced on consoles for FO4 already had issues where consoletards stole mods from the Nexus and uploaded them to the Bethesdanet shit without permission, now they can do that and Beth will be paid for it while a small portion of the profits will trickle down to the user who stole the mod. What a fucking shitshow, as if anyone would want to pay for mods anyway when the free ones are still going to be up anyway. The only benefit they're promising for this Creation Club shit is that they'll be 'polished, localised, curated' by Beth as though their base games are bug-free experiences.

> Been ordering a pizza from your favorite shop for years
>The creator of pizza itself takes over and decides to take a fat giga shit on your pizza and ups the price to you but promises to pay your favorite pizza place a 0.322% cut
> Say no
>"WOW YOU SERIOUSLY DONT WANT TO BEND OVER AND EAT THE BACK SIDE OF MY ASS CRACK!?"

>>380043789
>Tons of people make a living off of Dota 2 hats and a good living too.
who told you that?
Valve?

>>380043602
Making mods isn't a job unless you're hired by the company

>>380043325

Babies that overact about anchovies.

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>>380041271

>>380043924
>Porn mods are banned for fallout 4 and Skyrim retroactively
>FNIS has to be shutdown from SkyUI
>either a rouge mod undergrown forms in loverslab or 80% of the people drop it like its hot

The shitstorm of the decade

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>>380042939

> OP after reading this post

>>380044062
and if you employed by a company you aren't making mods

>>380043896

No no, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of labour. Your 75% paycheck analogy is bad because it's already inherent in the system you're trying to use as an example.

>>380043602
taxation is theft

>order pizza from papa johns because you know your friend has a nice brick oven to cook it
>litterally the only reason you buy their pizza was the fact that you could cook it yourself and change the ingrediants
>papa johns says they'll cook it for you and pay your friend
>papa johns asks you why you hate your friend and why you won't pay them

>>380040626
>>380040626

It's more like a landlord who lives next to busy river. So he puts a chain across the river and charges a toll to cross. Nothing has been improved, something that had been free just now costs money.

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>>380040626
>Release literally early access tier games
>Mods fix it for you
>Now you have to pay for mods
>nu-/v/ defends this

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>>380043325
>Not saving money by ordering a basic pizza and adding your own toppings

>>380043789
It'll be less of a job than making smartphone clone apps. Dota 2 community items and cosmetics items that drop for free isn't anywhere near comparable to gameplay changing mods, especially considering your average Bethesda game is borderline unplayable in its vanilla state.

>>380040626
But the actual analogy would have the delivery man a third party worker who isn't employed by the pizzeria. He does it for free, and the ingredients are actually his own not the pizzerias, and he doesn't ask any charge for them but the pizzeria shows up and makes him charge you for his ingredients and they take a cut.

>>380044043

I'm sure you can go to the Steam workshop and get in contact with some of these guys if you're actually willing to do some research.

If not, eat my ass.

>>380043602
>I am a wageslave getting fucked in the ass by his boss and everybody else is the same

LMAO

>>380040626
But its not the company offering anything, the people are its like the pizza company charging me for putting black pepper on my pizza you fucking idiot.

>>380040626
>food analogy
HAHAHHAHA

At first I was a bit skeptical about the whole Creation Club announcement but when I read through their official website, it seems like this is a way for them to try and improve mods and make them better.

They will have quality control, collaboration between the game devs and the mod authors and a bunch of other procedures and guidelines.

I can't wait for the exciting new mods that will come out from this system. Its gonna bring polish and better integration for mods as a whole

I am really excited.

>>380040626
no one cares you absolute faggot. mod piracy is already a thing

>>380044189
Exactly. Paid mod apologists are trying to conflate DLC with mods and pretend people are just overly entitled when few people complain about the latter unless its egregious cut content on day 1

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>>380043731
>>380043985
I think these are two good arguments from both sides.

No one can argue that the base games aren't shit though.

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>>380044190
You're misunderstanding the point. The paycheck you actually receive is 100% of what you get paid after all of the normal deductions that exist for legitimate reasons.

THEN you cash that check and give 75% of that to your CEO. That's what you're doing when you advocate paid mods by insisting Bethesda should get paid for work they did not perform. They already got paid for the game. They already got paid for DLC. That's the work THEY do, so that's the money THEY deserve. Modders do all of their work, so they deserve all of the money from their work. Bethesda is not entitled to a fucking red cent of it just like the CEO is not entitled to the money you earned. He gets his own paycheck.

This analogy doesn't even work because the pizzaria isn't even providing the ingredients, just the pizza itself.

Its like having to pay the restaurant to add your own ingredients to the pizza simply because they made it.

>>380040626
This was you best analogy? Well, shows how smart you are.

> Having sex with my wife
> Pizza guy decides that if I want to continue to fuck my wife I have to let him join in
> No
>"WOOOOOOWW WHY WONT YOU LET ME KEK YOU?"

>>380040626
>one of my better analogies
It's shit, I can't imagine how bad your others are if that's supposed to be good.
Is the delivery guy supposed to carry a bunch of ingredients and beverages with him in case you want something else/more?

Anyway, paid mods only mean one thing, and it's lazier devs. Games can already come with catastrophic launches, swarms of bugs requiring day one patches, missing content and minor tweaks made through modding can vastly improve the experience for the player to the point where you have to ask yourself why it wasn't in the game in the first place. With paid mods it's gonna be worse because you'll have spit out more money to get a functional game.
What's the next step, paid patches?

>>380044489

Yeah, that's capitalism. Most people are getting fucked. I'm not proposing anything different, but if you think it's not the case then you're just wrong.

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>>380040626
Why in the fuck would you want paid mods OP? Add marketing to something nice and watch it become not-nice overnight.

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>when you are this retarded.

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>>380041271
holee shit

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They literally showed horse armor in the announcement
They're just fucking with us at this point

>>380043731
Making money off the hobby involved getting commissioned by the company to make official DLC, and nobody complained when modders did this.

>>380042939
Underrated post.

>Beth and Valve making arguments about how mod creators should be compensated for making mods and shit
>absolutely zero mention of how most of them are already being compensated via donations anyway
>wants 75% of the profit anyway for doing.. something
They couldn't make it any more obvious that they're just looking to cash in on mods for their games. It's a shame, the mod scene will just die off instead of being stimulated even more by this shit.

>>380044594
That first post with the greentext analogy is pretty fucking shit.

I can't wait until someone pulls a Chesko with the Creation Club and it turns into a big shitfest

>>380040626

If it was mini expansions nobody would care. Single weapon and armor packs are cancer.

>>380044570
What the shill

>>380040945
This, your neighbor is nice and brings over a 2 liter FOR FREE

>>380041931
They made a lot of money on Fallout 4 and Skyrim, but I wonder if they're actually financially sound. They keep trying to milk their past games like with paid mods, VR mode at $80, and the Skyrim Special Edition, that it makes me wonder if TES VI is ridiculously overbudget or something and they're running out of funds.

MODDING IS NOT A JOB
IT IS A HOBBY

>>380044612

You're only calling it legitimate reasons because it's just what you're used to. If you got 100% of the money your work gains for a company most people would be getting a huge pay rise.

>>380045007
okay so how do all you smart /v/ users expect the modders to make a living?

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The only thing I can say in Creation Club's defense is that the mods will be curated and quality controlled by the devs, that way it'll separate itself from the slew of random, half-broken garbage on workshop and even further from the wild world of classic mods. I've got not problem paying for extra content if it's quality content that doesn't break the game so I'll just wait and see how it goes.

What it'll come down to is whether the mods will be worth their pricetags, whatever those may be. If it's just reskins and simple gameplay tweaks then it'll just be a straight ripoff.

>>380040626
10$ is too expensive even for a large pizza with soda

>>380045148
>quality control
>Fallout 4

Can someone explain how this works for someone who didn't get into PC gaming until after the first paid mod attempt?

Will my mods for New Vegas, for example, that I already have downloaded not work or something and I have to buy them now? Or is this just for new stuff and I can still get existing stuff from Nexus?

>>380045007

But shouldn't you be paid money for your hard work? You don't work for free, do you?

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I know this thread is created by Bethesda cucks. Can you guys answer this question?

>Approval process
>concept is approved
>Bethesda work with the creators
>Bethesda polish the work

This means that this is the end of porn mods, uh? Are the family friendly bethcucks work on dick animations? The only mods allowed are some joke-memes, more swords and more stupid quests? LOL yeah, people is going to waste 50$ on Bethesda points for buy that crap.

On the other hand "Bethesda working with creators" this is the topest topkek. Bethesda are lazy cunts who release their own games full of corrupted shit, and crashes to the desktop are going to lost time polishing skimpy armors. huehuehue

>>380041271
that needs to become the standard for dealing with shills

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>>380041271
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0D7Az2LWq1m

>>380045168
Where do you live at to where you can get a LARGE pizza under $5? serious question

>>380045217
Sure.

But how about we don't let the corporations who made the game have a slice of the pie and instead give ALL of the money to the creator to the mods?

>muffled OY VEY in the distance

>>380040626
Main problem is the fact most games are released with some fucking bugs that can almost break the game. Imagine having to pay the the game then pay a mod to get it fixed?

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>implying there's one Pizzeria

It's like you don't realize how much freedom of choice you have

>>380044679
>Anyway, paid mods only mean one thing, and it's lazier devs.
Agreed. They're already making a profit from releasing broken base games that require the labour and creativity of their community to fix. Paid mods will allow them profit off of those fixes too. Paid patches will be the logical next step for these retards.

>>380040626
>literally find one flaw with my arguement. You buy a game from company, company offers more stuff for more money - simple business.

Except Bethesda didn't offer the mods, the community is responsible for them, Bethesda is just being jew making money of other people's work.

Stupid cunt.

>>380043731
Morrons like you are really useful idiots all across the board. You already witnessed the shitshow that started with the first DLCs hitting the market and quickly becomming lucrative cashcows. Now you see a free community creating content out of passion getting instrumentalized for a quick buck, everything about it screaming that this will quickly become an average business model for developers if it hits off and the whole gaming industry turns even more into a shitshow with developers bringing out unfinished products because they can get away with it, because idiots like you eath their shit. And all you have to say about it is:

>I mean make your own mods if you give that much of a shit. Don't complain because people are trying to make money off of their hobby

Fucking kill yourself.

so do the people that made the settlement mods for fallout 3 get 75% of the profit from fallout 4?

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>mfw i take comfort in the fact that /pol/tards are pillaging this shistain of a board

>>380045148

Thats what cucks said about Valves paid mods back then and we got gems like stolen assets being sold for cash and non modular armor for 10 dollars. There will be absolutly no quality control whatsoever

>>380045217
Did you get paid for that model airplane you built?

>>380040626
>pizza guy come
>you realise your pizza is cold, miss a piece, doesn't have any condiment
>you notice he put everything missing in a box next to the pizza
>he says you need to pay extra to get them

your move

>>380045145
You're a fucking idiot. I'm explicitly telling you the order this occurs in. 100% of what you earned is not 100% of the total value of your work. I'm telling you to give up 75% of what you earned, which is AFTER YOU GET YOUR FUCKING PAYCHECK.

> Order pizza
>It aint me starts blaring over the phone

>>380044470
I was one of those people

>>380041103
>>380041268
>>380041392
No you fucking retards. He's not going into business selling soda in his fucking house. He has an actual job.
Your neighbor's been sharing soda with you for free for decades because he's a good natured man, and the pizza guy is goading him into making you pay for it, trying to corrupt him and destroying your friendship with the guy you knew since you moved in over a fucking soda.

Die.

>>380045146
>>380045217
If you want to get paid why not work for a company in the actual industry?
Paid mods != commissioned work.

>>380040626
youre an idiot.
the developers release a game, to a full price and know from the start that they will release one or more dlcs for at least half the price of the game itself. they already have the storty and so on, but they only release part of it just to make more money.
this is showing the middle finger to gamers, to their customers.
you cant compare that to food you idiot.
years ago you bought the game and you got it, full content.
modders did mods because they liked the game, not so they could make money. sure you were able to donate, but thats not the same as charging.
people are getting greedy at a hobby, those people are cunts.

>>380045217
This is a good argument, so let's donate to the mod author and actually make them able to profit off of a mod instead of having 75% of the price going to the game dev for no reason whatsoever.

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>food analogies
You could have done better, OP
I rate it 0.8/b8

>>380044690
And your point is?
Are you telling me that because getting fucked in the ass is the norm everybody should just spread his cheeks you cuck?

>>380045146
>https://www.glassdoor.com
>https://www.monster.com/
>https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/careers.html
>https://www.usa.gov/unemployment

>>380040626
>making a game which needs mods to be enjoyable

It's more like:
>order a pizza
>pizza arrives
>ask delivery dude why there is nothing on my pizza and that I want the things on it how I ordered it
>"sure, that'll be $10"
>WHAT? I HAVE TO PAY MONEY FOR STUFF WHICH HOULD BE ON THE PIZZA SINCE DAY 1? GREEDY FUCK!

>>380045449
> other peoples work

ALL of you are somehow forgetting that skyrim is bethesda's ip your little mod is STILL attached to their game. They can cuck you as much as they want and you're still gonna pay up

>>380045536
But Valve made no claims about quality control and left the platform entirely to the modders. Quality AND pricing was purely determined by whoever happened to upload the file. In this case Bethesda is at least CLAIMING they'll work with a select group of modders to make sure there's some consistency, but then... well this is Bethesda we're talking about so it might end up being just as bad.

>>380040626
modders will always give mods away for free, that's an established culture by now.
some will inevitably sell out, but they wont be missed.

>>380045148
>the mods will be curated and quality controlled by the devs
Thats pretty much what paid mods on the workshop was, all the mods that were for sale on Steam were curated beforehand. The only difference is that the devs are doing the curation

>If it's just reskins and simple gameplay tweaks then it'll just be a straight ripoff.
That's exactly what it's going to be

>>380045437
>require

No, fans will try to fix it because they want the game to be better. It's not required and shouldn't even be needed in the first place.

Make a good game. Don't release dogshit and assume the consumer will buy it anyway and then hope some modders patch it up,

>>380045148
>believing Todd's lies

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>Companies exploiting younger audiences through long-term conditioning by having them grow up with micro transactions and having them accept it as the norm


That's scummy as shit, there needs to be some sort of Vidya Constitution that outlines basic anti-consumer regulations to avoid shit like this.

>>380040945
So far this is the best analogy in this entire fucking thread, granted the rest was Shitposting but oh well

>>380045437
>Paid patches will be the logical next step for these retards.
That's what DLC and expansions are.

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>>380041271
oh fuck thank you

>>380045217
Some people are happy enough knowing that somebody cums to their porn mods every evening. Not everyone is a materialistic subhuman like you.

>>380040626
It's literally turning modding into outsourced DLC, which will lead to people making mods because they want money instead of because they want to make a mod

>>380045894
The only modders that were on the platform were ones that Valve allowed. Modders weren't able to start charging for mods at the beginning outside of the selection Valve picked out.

>>380040626
Nah that's not right considering pizza delivery guy works for the company and this is you asking for extra shit. Paid mods is more like you or a friend always putting extra spices you have at home on the pizza, and then the company finds out, offers to include paid spices, and then turn around and lock your own kitchen cabinet in your house so you cant add spices you didn't get from the pizza place.

>>380045894

Im not sure if you are memeing at this point but listen up the very first mods on the platform were absolut shit Valve/Bethesda contacted modders weeks before release offering them a deal doing paid modding content and we still got aboslute garbage one mod in particular almost led to a lawsuit

>entire town grows their own ingrediants and lives off of pizza
>bethesda rolls in and introduces a whole pizza you can buy, you just have to give them 10 pizzas worth of ingrediants for 1 pizza
>they make this into pizza points where you can buy a pizza with 10 pizza points
>it only took a quarter of that to make a pizza for yourself but you enjoy giving pizza points to your friends and the rest of the pizza points to bethesda

>old lady Jefferson comes over asking for a cup of sugar
>give her a cup of sugar because she's a nice lady and the neighbor has a great sense of community
>as she's waking walking back some fuckers from other street jump her steal her purse
>they give me a few cents after seeing that I have her sugar for her baking
>they run off
>she goes to hospital
Fucking entitled

let's say you own a cupcake store

people sometimes brought in sprinkles to give away for free

but then you realize that the sprinkles are taking up space in your store

now you decide that in return for the space they're taking up with their sprinkles, you ask for a small amount of money in exchange for the sprinkles

how is that not okay? it's just a little amount of money. it's not that much for you, right?

>>380045146
>>380045217
BY FINDING AN ACTUAL FUCKING JOB IN SOCIETY THAT ISN'T FUCKING MODDING
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PAID FOR

>>380045148
>The only thing I can say in Creation Club's defense is that the mods will be curated and quality controlled by the devs

>bethesda will be able to do what valve could never do
hey man I'll eat my words like a pizza if they do it

>>380045217
No I don't do my actual job for free. I don't expect to be paid for my hobby though

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>>380040626
Haven't read the thread and I'm not going to.

I'm just going to say that it's more like:
>pizza arrives
>tell the delivery dude that I'm going to put some of my own toppings on the pizza once it's in my house
>he says I can't do that and takes the pizza away

>>380045217
Modder here. I don't charge for mine because I got a real job on IT. My modding is creative work that I do and do best when I feel like it.

Fuck off.

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>>380040626
ITT: niggers falling of the bait

>>380041271
>people keep sharing this
>with paid mods you would have to pay to listen to this

>order a pizza
>pizza arrives
>pull out the peppers my neighbor grew and gave to me as a gift
>as I'm putting them on the pizza, the pizza guy who still hasn't fucked off tells me to give him $10 for the privilege of putting extra toppings on
Pizza guy's just trying to help out the little man, toppings don't grow on trees you know.

>>380046207

If i would own a cupcake store i would not allow people to bring in sprinkles from home in the first place so whats your point?

> Order pizza from favorite pizzeria
> Horse dick condement is somehow missing even though it was how I always ordered it free of charge
> New Owner says you can have this horse cock if you pay $19.99 plus tip
> 360 and walk away
>"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WONT BUY THIS SHIT?"

>>380040626
I wouldn't pay Bethesda anything for their games, mods or pizzas.

>>380044392
Huh, that actually wouldn't be a bad business model. You buy pizzas, burgers, etc. from chains, spice them up according to what a customer wants, and deliver them to people or to catering events. You only worry about spices/sauces and delivery fees, and mark up the price maybe 10 percent. Y Could probably be a good business model if the FDA wouldn't be up your ass.

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>Bethesda can't even polish their own content
>fans genuinely expect them to polish and ensure the quality of hobbyist content

LMAO

>>380045452
Why would you buy a bad game and rely on the modding community to fix it for you? Mods aren't required if a game is good.

Again, make your own mods if you're so inconvenienced by a bad game. Or do you not want to go through the hassle of learning how to code? DLC is a completely different ballgame because it isn't run by hobbyists. It's also just as optional as a mod.

>implying I'd ever pay for a mod or play a Bethesda game
If you hate a game so much, why keep playing it?

>>380040626
>Reaper skin
lol..... calling up nizzard borth

>>380045436
that and you only went to that pizzaria because you didn't have to buy their shitty soda but could drink your own.

Now you have to go to other pizzerias with slightly better soda.

I'm willing to bet that shit will still be free on pc some way or other.
I wonder if the modding tools will be made avaible on release day this time for future games ?
Fucking jews

>>380046207
How are the sprinkles taking up space? Explain to me how mods are a cost to Bethesda and not a massive benefit and the reason why all their games that are moddable continue to sell to this very day?

>>380045928
Exactly and paid mods will only lead the devs to become even lazier since it incentivizes them to release even an even more broken game so the fans will try to fix it because they want the game to be better.

>>380045990
Silly anon, DLCs and expacs aren't strictly necessary and mostly just add new content. If Beth had their way, you'll have to pay them in order to stop the game from crashing every half an hour and having your saves corrupted.

>>380040945
You realize Steam never forced anyone to sell their mods right? They offered to have a platform. A real analogy is

>Friend of yours makes lemonade for everyone in the community all the time
>Eventually someone comes up to them and say "Hey man you could make a business out of this. Ill set you up a stand and advertise if you give me a cut of sales."
>Lemonade guy no longer gives everyone free lemonade now that its so easy to just sell it instead.

>>380041735
They should be beat and whipped like eggs before being thrown into the oven like pizza.

>>380045892
Their shitty games wont be nothing if not for the modding community, only console cucks would play them, as they play everything vanilla and forces 30fps the shitters.

>>380045560
how much goes to the person that made the box?

>>380046207
>but then you realize that the sprinkles are taking up space in your store
How are the mods "taking up space" for Bethesda exactly? They're half the fucking selling point for people buying modern ES and Fallout games.

>>380046697
They don't even host nexus mods on their website

>>380040626
>order a pizza, just sauce and cheese
>pizza arrives
>add my own toppings to the pizza
>FBI crashes in through my windows
>Papa John pushes a wall in through sheer force and yells at me for violating his copywrite "I ADD THE TOPPINGS ASSHOLE!"
>serve 20 years in prison
>5 years were added because I violated Uncle Ben's Copywrite by mixing the Peas with Mashed Potatoes during meal time.
most mods needed players to use other mods, but you knew that.

What the fuck is this argument? How is anyone defending this? You can L I T E R A L L Y donate money to these people already for their work without given Jetwhesda a share. The bigger mod makes already have things like Patreaons set up that get payed per mod. There is no defending this.

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>>380046528
>Why would you buy a bad game and rely on the modding community to fix it for you?

Are you new to Bethesda games? Nobody cares about your internalized logic of "if it needs mods its bad".

>>380040762
Not OP, but yeah, autism is killing. Mind is in constant turmoil. I know how to get better, but I worked to damn much, and don't have time for this.

In and of itself, the idea of Paid Mods isn't bad. Letting peple make a living of modding could lead to some great shit.

The problem is that bethesda are blatanly trying to jew the fuck out of it. At least now we know who was really at fault for the shitstorm around steam's paid mod tryout.

>>380046207
more like the sprinkles and the sense of community are the only reason they're going to your store in the first place you idiot.

>>380046592

This analogy is missing something

>lemonade guy realizes no one is really willing to buy it since hey used to get it for free
>to make profit he eventually dilutes it with water to save on lemon costs
>lemonade becomes worse and worse in quality

>>380045620
This. Unlimited capitalism is just degenerate consumerism with no regard for passion but just profits

>>380046592
>Hey man, let me sell your lemonade for you and I'll give you 25% of what I get
But that's less than I used to get from donations and nobody around here fucking hates me. You want people to spend way more than what the work is actually worth.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I don't need Mods for playing Soulsborne, The witcher or other rpgs. Why I need 70 essential mods for play Skyrim or Fallout 4??

>Because Bethesda games are absolute garbage

>buy pizza
>put ingrediants on it
>pizza company gets wind of this and colludes with the ingrediant company and upcharges wildly
>I have to buy a more expensive pizza with the ingrediants because they won't sell the ingrediants seperately for cheaper

>>380046207
>but then you realize that the sprinkles are taking up space in your store
Mods have always been uploaded to third party websites anon, you absolute moron. The sprinkles were taking up space outside their store. They see this and start allocating some space in their store for people to put sprinkles in (Beth.net). Now, they're allocating another space next to it that's exactly the same, only it's closer to the cashier but you have to pay them in order to get it while a few cents will go to the people who placed their sprinkles there.

>>380046842
The most popular mods are just fixes for what Bethesda couldn't be bothered to, even though they are rereleasing the game for the third time. It's fucking pathetic and I have absolutely zero faith this will provide any worthwhile content.

>>380046528
Did you even play Bethesdas games at some point? They push out games constantly which are plain unfinished and broken until a couple of DLCs drop and modders fix the most severe issues which leaves you with the question why the fuck did the developers not fix this yet. Answer is simple as always : They do not fucking care. And Bethesda is by far not the only developer relying on such scummy strategies nowadays.

You are so clueless, holy shit , what are you even doing here?

>>380046892
>Letting peple make a living of modding could lead to some great shit.
thats what patreon is for

>>380040626
>>order a pizza
>>pizza arrives
>>delivery dude removes ingredients and a soda
>>"sure, that'll be $10 + $10 for inregdients

That's why you're a cuck.

>>380046528
>DLC is a completely different ballgame because it isn't run by hobbyists
Which is why trying to equate the two and act like people don't want to pay for things is disingenuous as fuck. There are plenty of examples of hobbyists getting commissioned by companies to work on DLC and nobody complained. The fact that mods are run by hobbyists is exactly why trying to monetize it is dumb as fuck.

>It's also just as optional as a mod.
Not an argument and never will be. There is no such thing as "mandatory paid content"

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Screencap this, insider source. Prices are still in discussion though.

>>380041256

oh look, bethesda damage control team.

>Bethesda knows for a fact that modding communuity holds theire games afloat for years
>Bethesda is ok with releasing buggy games since modders fill fix it
>Bethesda is now going to charge for mods to fix buggy games making double profit from selling the game and the mods needed to fix it/enjoy it

I sure can't wait for Skyrim 2

>>380040626
This post is so shamelessly unaware of how bad it is that one has to wonder whether you are supposed to be mad at it, or praise it for how hard it asks for (You)s.

>>380040626
Why does everything have to be about money? If modders 2-3 years ago thought that making mods was hard work, they wouldn't have made them. They made mods because they thought it was a fun hobby and they just wanted to provide something to the community.

>>380046892
Mod authors have been paid for their mods via donations for a decade now, anon. Possibly more. Paid mods only mean that the game dev gets a share of that for doing absolutely nothing.

> Order a pizza
> Pizza guy insists that I have the wrong number and that this is a Library

Mods only cost like what, 5 bucks? Just get a job, what's the problem? You have a job, right? If you don't then just get one.

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>>380046697
I literally never modded Morrowind or Skyrim and only modded Oblibolivia to add some new quests since none of the total conversion mods were finished afaik

>>380046892
>Letting peple make a living of modding could lead to some great shit.
Letting peple make a living of modding will lead to half-assed shit they made because they were forced to get more money for their expenses by living off of it. It'll increase the amount of shit mods out there, on top of staining the image of modders in general.
If shithesda can get away with their DLC, this will be even worse.

Is anyone even gonna buy skyrim mods?

The games 6 years old.

>>380047279
I like it how if. You bought more credits you got less credits per dollar

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>>380046876
I don't play Bethesda games because they're always literal horse shit. Tenchincal failures, ugly to look at, shallow, and lazy.

Yes, the games are bad and need mods to make them passable. No, this should not be tolerated. Thus, don't support this company.

ITT: people butt mad that nude mods won't be supported

>>380047242
actually thinking about it now, patreon makes me realize how bad of an idea this is.

>porn artists release like 2 images a month
>watch multiple porn artists so a fair amount of porn
>suddenly patreon
>porn artist uploads like 8 a month but only on patreon
>never pay for patreon, would have to pay for patreon for all of the porn artists
>go without porn

kind of lame

>>380047464
Why don't you get a real job instead of living off modding? You do have a real job right? If you don't then just get one.

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>>380047578
If they come out with a really realistic horse cock futa mod with adequate cum physics and nakadashi x-ray mode definitely.

>>380047404
>Why does everything have to be about money?


Rules of nature anon. Everything is about money at some point.

>>380047464

>Updatesonly cost like what, 5 bucks? Just get a job, what's the problem? You have a job, right? If you don't then just get one.
>Bug fixes only cost like what, 5 bucks? Just get a job, what's the problem? You have a job, right? If you don't then just get one.

>>380047582
DELET

>>380047279
this is a joke right?

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>>380047019
Exactly

>>380040626
Why not just use free mods like always then?

Modders aren't an oppressed class working without benefit. People who want to make a living off creating content literally go work for game companies.

>>380040626
>order a pizza
>pizza arrives
>give him money for the pizza
>he awaits for the tip
>WHAT? I HAVE TO PAY MONEY FOR YOU TOO? GREEDY FUCK!

this thread is cancer.

Paid mods is a great way to improve the modding community.

accept it fags. this is breaking in a new era of modding.

>>380047589
>Yes, the games are bad and need mods to make them passable. No, this should not be tolerated. Thus, don't support this company.

So why argue in favor of paid mods again? Because buying mods literally supports the company.

>>380047190
I don't know how you jumped to those conclusions but you just admitted the games are dogshit. Yet you're calling me clueless?

When I said DLC I meant DLC as a whole, not from your favorite developer. DLC is fine when done right. It often isn't.

>>380047279
>€10 for 600 credits
>€20 for 1100 credits
this is satire I'm sure

>>380048085
Nobody wants to support a shit company.

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>>380047279
>increase FOV above 70 for 5$
wew lad, good bait

>>380047334
They learned from the first round of trying to get paid mods so they're doing it a bit differently this time. They basically are just adding a vetting process and more rules where the mods have to be made specifically with the Cuck Credits in mind, ie balanced weapons that are OCdonutsteel. The worst part isn't that they are making paid mods, it's that they are going to be stealing modders away - which any modder who seriously does this is a fucking asshole anyways so not much loss there but still it's not as though we needed it.

Basically vetted horse armor made by other people. Brilliant Bethesda, it's even less effort than before.

> Order a baby from my local babyeria
> Baby comes out with 1 arm instead of both as usual
> Owner says if I want that other arm I'm gonna have to pay extra
> Go home and make my own baby for free
>"WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW"

>Order a pizza
>Its half baked and has barely any cheese
>Heat it in my oven
>Add cheese I bought
>Doorbell suddenly rings
>"Hi, we have received reports that you have modified one of our pizzas without our permission or the oven's or cheese's manufacturers permission, that'll be $4.99 for the oven and $1.99 for the cheese please. Of course you won't have to worry about the manufacturers, they will receive 25% of the money for their creative work, thank you."

>>380048050

Yeah, the Steam fiasco a couple of years back sure supports the bullshit you're spewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDyXIXyAZq0

>>380048050
You are pure cancer.

The modding community is built around building off of other people's work to create great things (be it content or other people's research in to how to make certain things work). Awesome mods have come from collaborations between people and using small things other people have done to make their mod's experience even better. Now with paid mods there will be fuck-all collaboration within the community because people will be paranoid that their works may be used to benefit someone's wallet, or that if they want to make a paid mod they can't use anything people have done for free and don't want to be monetized.

>>380046592
>You realize Steam never forced anyone to sell their mods right?
Except it was 99% stolen content, and 100% of the mods "sold" ran off of other mods without that modder's consent.

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>>380048050
Make a mod. Try to sell it. I'll pirate it, change it slightly, and release it for free somewhere else.

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Imaging a world where software developers can release buggy/incomplete software titles and charge the consumer additional money for something that should have been included in the initial release.

There will be zero incentive to make an honest, complete game with this being the norm.

>>380048275
>plus tip