Who's ready to install Windows 10 and play all those xbox

>>380018096
I really hate Windows 10. I'm gonna try and stay on 7 as long as I can. Hopefully some modders will come out with some stuff that can spoof all the shit you need from 10 onto 7 or even 8. Something happened like that the last time Microsoft tried to force and OS upgrade on gamers (vista)

>>380018203
Why don't you just upgrade my man? It was literally F R E E! Don't you want all those exclusive Xbox games?

Just do it. Install Windows 10 and play all those games consolefags think are exclusive!

>>380018096
>The PC gaming master race all have Windows 10 installed,
You mean the Apple-lite fags?

W7 Ultimate x64 > W8.1 > XP > Vista > 10

>>380018203
Same here.
Luckily, all the GOOD devs that matter are already embracing Vulkan, which is not HW nor SW locked.

Any and all "Windows Store exclusives" have been, and will be pure trash. Anything worthwhile will be on GOG & Steam, and most likely patch-able to run on older systems, thanks to now almost a decade old, wide spread 64-bit OS'es.

>>380018397
>Install Windows 10 and play all those games consolefags think are exclusive!
and sell your soul to marketers, and still you don't get to play the only console games that matter: Sony's and Nintendo's?

>>380018397
>Just enjoy the final spying OS which crashes if you actually try and block the spying shit

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>>380018437
>Vista > 10

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>>380018547
>>380018521
>>380018437

Haha look at all these consolepoors, they're not like me the true master race with the latest and greatest OS out there.

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>>380018437
>Any and all "Windows Store exclusives" have been, and will be pure trash.

>>380018671
yeah, that shit it is.

>>380018842
Gee, I can totally recall the praise and mass-following of such ageless classics such as... Quantum Break... and thaaat's about it.

>>380019043
>Cuphead
>Crackdown 3
>Forza
>Gears of War
>Killer Instinct
>Halo 5

>>380019450
>one literal never ever mediocrity, followed by a pile of literal dudebro trash
sasuga Xbots... no wonder I never wanted to own a single one of MS' consoles.

>>380019838
s o u r g r a p e s

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>p-please upgrade to windows 10

>>380020005
Not him and only thing that I card for was Gears and the good gears came out for 360, and I got a 360.
I haven't even touched crackdown one yet though.

>>380020005
What ever makes you sleep better at night, cherry boy.

>>380020339
All the GoW games worth shit are on PC as well.

>>380020390
Gears 2/3 isn't on pc anon.
I heard they are good, haven't played them yet though.

>>380018203
same here

>>380020615
I played the entire original trilogy with a buddy all those years ago. I have seriously hard time recalling which one was which; literally same shit through and through. Chest-high wall shooters are so big of a meme nowadays, I prolly couldn't take them seriously at all anymore.

>>380018203
>>380018397
>>380018437

I was one of those autistic people that wanted to stay on 7, but I got a free copy of Windows 10 even after their free upgrade campaign ended and it really isn't that bad. I've disabled all the lame shit and get to reap the benefits of the newer OS.

At this point you're just parroting a shit meme. Anyone who has a legitimate reason to stay on the older OS versions wouldn't be boasting about it. So you're either someone who missed the free upgrade, some internet retard who get tricked by the "le 10 is bad meme", or just a poorfag on an old hand-me-down machine that has an older OS installed.

either way fuck off with this ironic shit.

>>380018203
Do try 8.1 with classic shell. It's basically the same thing with better drivers and support up to 2021.

>>380019450
>Cuphead
http://store.steampowered.com/app/268910/Cuphead/
>MINIMUM:
>OS: 7, 8, 8.1, or 10

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>>380018397
>It was literally F R E E
It still is.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Who's ready to stop being a raspy-aspie retard, and format their Winblows 10 and install a Linux distro on their PC.

>>380019450
cuphead is on steam, lmao

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>>380022041
Fuck linux anon, I just use the computer to play games, linux doesn't have all games so why should I bother?

>>380022041
men are talking, fuck off virgin

>>380022041
torvalds pls go

>>380021560
No son. You're the gullible moron / a literal fucking marketer.

Newer ain't always synonym with "better", and W10 has already been proven numerous times to be straight out DANGEROUS. On top of that, the GUI is absolutely disgusting, way too much important shit is literally hidden or not at all customizable anymore, compatibility with older software and games is worse, and majority of the implied "speed improvements" are literal placebo effects caused by people doing a fresh install, often even having a new PC.

Finally, I completely detest the business practice MS is now driving with their OS. That alone is good enough reason the stay the fuck away from the Wontworks 10.

Some of my family members had their PCs and laptops automatically ""upgraded"" to W10 couple years ago, without their input or acceptance, and it was one helluva job to get them back to their original state. For some , the OS had even changed the language of the entire system!

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>Installing a spyware

>>380018203
Dual boot Windows 7 and 10, and use 10 just to play games.

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>>380018096

>>380022701
>not dualbooting W7 and latest Linux afterwards

>>380022543
Yeah anon, fuck win 10.

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>>380022786
Why bother with linux? Will I use it only to shitpost here or something? lmao.

>>380018397
If it's free, you are the product. Moron.

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What the fuck was this Mixer shit they kept plugging during their conference

>>380022543
>>380022359
>>380022738
>>380022974

These are the people I was waiting for when I made this thread.

The games are actually exclusive because you're a fucking retard if you think installing windows 10 is a good idea.

Now do your fellow anon a favor and keep spreading this information because this whole "ALSO ON PC HAHA" shit is going to cause some anons to install W10.

DO NOT INSTALL WINDOWS 10

>>380022974
Man we've got to be terrible products then.
Nobody fucking uses the Microsoft store or their apps or services. They just use the OS for things that other people make.

>>380022359
I think you're just computer illiterate. With Pro I was able to completely disable automatic updates.

-DX12 is only on W10
-W7 and eventually 8/8.1 are no longer supported and eventually games (and beyond that, software) will no longer support them either

Your resistance to change is understandable but it's simply that. Things change, it moves forward. W10 does some shady things, yes, but a lot of the hate is largely misplace and/or remedied by someone with some computer knowledge. Hell, half the stuff I'm sure you can just figure out how to do by googling a simple guide.

All I can say is have fun on your dying OS while you still can, eventually you'll have to upgrade anyways.

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Retards don't know that W10 is just 7 with an improved gooey.

wew lad

Friendly reminder that the W10 games are also "Timed" exclusives and will come to Steam eventually to be played on Windows 7.
No reason to get Windows 10.

Most of the games M$ showed are launching on Steam anyway.
It's just the first party games that are W10 exclusive.

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>W10

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>>380022946
You can use it to play games released post-2020, at which point there's a higher risk of SOME newer games not supporting W7 out of the box anymore, yet the expanded use of Vulkan will allow playing most of the big titles without succumbing to DirectX requirements.

>>380023139
>With Pro I was able to completely disable automatic updates.
More like toggle off announcements of data transfer, including software updates. MS still has direct access to your PC, unless you do voodoo on your router's side. Which may result your OS self-destructing after a set period of time.

>DX12
literal fucking meme, like DX10 was.
Meanwhile, DX9 is still widely utilized, with DX11 only recently starting to see more widespread use as the main choice for games.

And again, both OGL and Vulkan are rising in popularity, thanks to clear performance benefits.

>-W7 and eventually 8/8.1 are no longer supported
MS' "support" has meant jack shit since the SP releases, and I've kept all automated updates OFF ever since the first news about forced telemetry shit surfaced.

Obviously at SOME POINT the latest software publications will no longer work (out of the box) on W7 and up, but that is unlikely to happen just over night. I know people and offices that still use Windows XP, and they can run majority of latest programs just fine.

And when the time to move on really arrives, Linux will be my choice. I could already run majority of my entire Steam library on Linux systems, and I can only assume the support to improve and expand during the following years. DX11 is already being implemented into Wine, and Vulkan is gaining popularity as we speak.

>Your resistance to change is understandable but it's simply that.
Delusional pseudo-intellectual excuses "trend follower" kids and/or shills spew whenever criticism is not in their favor.

I'm all for change. But not ALL change is for the better. Excuse me that I value my privacy and transparency in business life.

W10 = not an option.

itt people more computer illiterate than apple users.

>>380024027
>in 2020
Yeah well then maybe I can switch that year if they actually come.
Not earlier.
I am not the only one that uses this computer (my mother sometimes borrows it, but the computer is mine) and I am sure that it would not be easy for inexperienced casual people like her to use linux despite how "user friendly" you people say it is nowadays.

Can someone please explain what's the deal with newest CPUs? Can they really only work with W10 or Unix or is it jus some unimportant exclusive features?

>>380024448
They work fine with windows 7, but you get no extra new features or any kind of support.
Basically microsoft is saying "let me spy you or go linux".

>>380024027
>Excuse me that I value my privacy and transparency in business life.
As do I but it is basically impossible to do that nowadays. If you really, absolutely care about it you'd be making your own software and using your own OS.

My whole point is that the majority of the people spouting the "W10 is bad" meme are people that just parrot an opinion without the understanding behind it, or they have sour grapes about their own situation and just shit on it. And I also believe that that issue extends beyond the whole W10 issue and extends to /v/ culture as a whole.

Just chill out, and start thinking rationally and be informed in your decisions.

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Shut up you fucking nerds. No one cares about your weak geek opinions.

Alphas embrace W10 and have nothing to hide.

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>>380025093
You already own the world but you will never own my loyalty.

>>380025093
That's nice, dear

Yes, OP. I can't wait to enjoy great, True 4K experiences only on Windows 10™ and Xbox One X™

>>380023014
Twitch competitor.

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>>380024742
>using your own OS
That's basically what linux is.

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>>380024406
>I am sure that it would not be easy for inexperienced casual people like her to use linux despite how "user friendly" you people say it is nowadays.
You can literally make Leenux look and feel like Windows if you want.
If your folks have used Apple or Android phones, they should not have any problems using Linux OS on a PC.

No matter how much oldschool nerds try to praise the command line, you can do just about everything through GUI in modern distros.

>>380018096
Hell fucking no

Gives way worse latency and performance. Plus every single w10 exclusive game died online in moments because no one cares about w10.

>>380026756
Yeah anon, I want to make the jump but again, since I only want the computer for games, well you understand right?
I'll probably dual boot when win 7 is far too old if they don't stop the spying bullshit for win 11.
Honestly it is more out of laziness of having to convert all files to linux formats and reinstall everything else, unless they have fixed that too.

>>380018096
There is nothing wrong with 10
The hate is a meme at this point

>>380027314
See MS, the problem with evidence is that it doesn't disappear when you call it a meme.

>>380018096
Like 50% of the pc gamers have Windows 10 nowdays

>>380018096
Cuphead comes to Steam, so fuck Win10

>>380027124
>I'll probably dual boot when win 7 is far too old if they don't stop the spying bullshit for win 11.
I'll prolly start dual-booting W7 and a Linux of some sort a couple or so years from now on, if not even later.

However, if MS is sticking to their old statements, there may never be a "W11"; they've been quite serious about making W10 into an everlasting SERVICE, which is expanded and customized via nonstop updates.

>>380027529
[citation needed]

Will I be able to play the Ori sequel on Win 10, or is it coming to Steam? It's the only thing I've actually cared about this E3.

>>380027521
>the problem with evidence
No, the problem with your "evidence" is, that its not a problem for 99,9% of the people.
Install Gentoo when you want to be safe from the evulz corporations and their gamma rays

>>380018096

you have to use the shitty windows store and have all your microsoft account shit setup on the pc

its only a matter of time though for these things to be ironed out a bit, until then steam is a fairly decent and working platform, along with battle net and gog

>>380018096

Well since I'm forced to install Windows 10 on my Ryzen anyways I'm salty I have to switch to an objectively worse system.

I blame the jews for this.

>>380027716
>pulling numbers out of your arse in order to make your statements seem more legit and researched
sasuga shitposter shills....

>>380027716
>no problems
>google w10 current problems
>forced updates, latency issues, worse performance, "gaming mode", stolen data, data mining, lack of compatibility, increased vulnerabilities

Ya no problems dog. All good here.

>>380027672
Steam gave some info out that showed all OS its players where using. It showed Windows 10 almost being 50% followed by Windows 7

>>380018096
Ever since installing windows 10, my PC will never go to sleep or shut itself down after a period of time.

>>380024027
Isn't all of this solved by getting Enterprise and running a few programs/toggling a few settings?

>>380027976
>forced updates
Forced updates combined with a total lack of QC is a killer combo. I just spent a few hours trying to rescue my uncle's data from the PC that started bootlooping after being forcefully upgraded to Creator's Update. What a fun way to spend an evening!

>>380027976
>>380027974
You really are that stupid eh? Why am I not surprised that you have no reading comprehension. Enjoy your linux games and your win7 experience oldfags

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>>380018096
dual boot or external drive with 10, everything else on win7

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>>380018096
Don't forget to use that Xbox app on windows 10, new xboxbros. Windows 10 gaming is part of Xbox.

>>380028126
Enterprise LTSB is pretty good, if with a few quirks. Like officially not supporting the latest VS if you're doing development on it and a need of a full OS reinstall if you want to move to a new OS update branch (1603, 1608, 1703 etc). You can even install manually WStore if you want it for some reason. You'd still need ShutUP10 to disable telemetry completely even with all settings and group policies turned off.

Why can't PC run every single Xbox game? They are both microsoft?

>>380028126
Sure, if you want to pay $7 a month for your os.

>>380028271
/thread

>>380018096
I already have W10 installed since release. As anything was better than W8.

>>380028571
Because Microsoft only allow the "Xbox play anywhere" titles to be on Windows 10.

>>380028050
Problem with those Steam survey infos, like with many similar setups, is that they do not separate main and "backup" systems at all. Like someone like me obviously plays on my 1000€ desktop, but I have a cheapass laptop as my travel & in-home streaming machine. I've also used Steam on many machines of my relatives, so all this data keeps morphing out into something not quite right.

Why the fuck would I install Windows 10, which could pretty much be considered to be spyware at this point when all new games (one's microsoft is trying to shill w10 through) are overhyped mediocre garbage with only their graphics being their defining quality. Also, everyone nowdays makes games as SERVICE PLATFORMS in order to sell microtransactions.

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>>380018096
>>380018096
Sounds good to me

>>380026756
That looks like fucking garbage.

Xorg is shit

>Windows 10 is required for new processors
>These same processors also catch on fire, if they're Intel. BUT if you still want to use them, there's a patch.

>>380030028
It has a better UI than 7 and DX12 support.

Also the telemetry stuff is overstated by poor /g/fags who need to defend their GNU shit at any opportunity

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>>380030419
Miles better than anything you got on W8-10.
And the beauty of Linux is, you can freely customize it to your liking.

>>380030537
>It has a better UI than 7
Literal lies / absolutely disgusting shit taste.

>DX12 support
And Vista had DX10. So?

>telemetry stuff is overstated
Oh sorry, I didn't I was talking to a Microsoft™ representative.

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>>380030619
>Miles better than anything you got on W8-10.

l-lol

>>380030537
"It's not that bad" is not an argument. It shouldn't exist. Period.

See, this is exactly how they get you. You have no reason to defend it, at all. Yet you do simply because they got you accustomed to the idea.

>>380030748
how does that gnu cock feel so far up your ass?

>>380030889
what?

>>380030537
>W10 has better UI than W7
I hope that one day you're on the phone with your wife as she's driving and she gets hit by a semi. I hope that the initial impact doesn't kill her, but cause her car to roll across traffic. I hope she's conscious throughout all of that and constantly in pain, then, realizing she's still on the phone with you, begins begging for your help. I hope you hear her screams as they lift her broken, battered body out of the car, and put her in an ambulance, where she dies of trama en route to the hospital.

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>>380030852
Truth hurts huh?
I have no idea why kids these days think that 10's GUI looks anything else than crap some 10yo made in MS Paint's freeform and square tools. Not to mention there's no unified tool and taskbar looks for all programs like in past versions, so you end up having tons of different styles on top of each other.

>>380030968
Asks a fagget who loves being double-penetrated by NSA and MS simultaneously, 24/7.

I've been a pure MS boi since late 90s, but W10 marks the point when I am forced to stop supporting their systems and business actions.

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you reckon they strongarm new devs into running all new games on win 10 exclusively?

>>380031209
not an argument

>>380031251
Reported, underage b&

>>380031221
ok. Do you even know what Wi-Fi sense does?

>>380031330
;)

Shit taste fami, here's better power level:
Windows Embedded 7 = Windows 7 > Windows XP > Windows 10 > Windows 8.1 > Windows Vista

Video games are a perfectly valid argument to use against linux. But I think people don't realize how amazing modern linux desktops are. Microsoft is being left in the fucking dust as far as UI design goes.

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>>380031363
Yes: roots you to social networks automatically AND allows your ""friends"" to auto-connect to your local Wifi without passwords.

tl;dr: a crapastrophe waiting to happen.

>>380018096
Gears Ultimate was fun as fuck

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>Download
>Run
>Choose what you want to disable
Gee, that was hard. I guess thought is too difficult for shitposters though.

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>>380018437
This.

>>380031713
Proven to be nothing but placebo.

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>>380030537
>better UI
Ever heard of windows classic?

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>>380031713
*bypasses your host*
*evades your blocks*
*installs updates forcibly*
*installs apps with greater permissions*
*watches you watching its outbound connections that you have supposedly forbidden*

>>380031713
No one can guarantee that MS won't silently re-enable all this shit and add piles of new one with every minor update. The system is defective by design.

Just reading the description of the stuff in the list can be enlightening. For example, they can remotely change your OS settings if they find out you haven't been using some feature to force you do it.

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>>380031713
doesnt work, not even registry hacks work, everything is hardcoded into dll files and theres no way to change anything

>Paranoid weebs think microsoft gives a shit about your furry porn collection

ishiggity

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>>380030537
>Windows 10 has better UI than Windows 7

Win7:
>Beautiful & Stylish
>Organized
>Functional

Win10:
>Boring Boxes, Disgusting
>Unorganized mess
>Ads

kys.

>>380032351
but they do

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>they think they're safe on windows 7
>they think they're safe with an internet connection

>>380032337
I can guarantee it. Fucking Microsoft every damn update tries to rewrite my registry to default and tries to change all my settings I've changed to default. It's so fucking annoying I made a back up registry for this very purpose. Next I wrote a group policy script to make sure my settings didn't get fucking changed. NO MICROSOFT I DON'T WANT THE MAIL APP TO HAVE ACCESS TO KY MICROPHONE

>>380032516
So this is your reason for willingly accepting something even worse? You must be a woman because you can't seem to think logically.

>>380032385
You can organize it yourself and switch off all the ads. Damn, is this really so hard to do?

>>380032351
They give a shit enough to collect it.

>>380032843
switching ads off after every update is not fun

>>380032843
Why do I have to go through all the effort to disable all these fucking ads? Why do I have to make a registry change to stop Microsoft from installing candy crush without my permission?

>all these virgins scared of the government finding their cp

I seem to be the only person in the world who prefers flat design over whatever Windows 7 had

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>>380033230
>win 10 scans for images and sends data to ms
>someone posts cp
>thumbnail saved on hdd
>windows catches it
>you are now marked as a pedophile
thanks god i have nothing to hide, am i right?

>>380021943
>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
So basically its that why everytime I instal W7 on a pc he ask me to update to it each time after the first reboot?

>email my doctor regarding my health issues
>Microsoft violates HIPPA and reads my emails without my permission
>tries to advertise and sell me poo-in-loo medicine not fda approved at all
>spams my doctor with spam too

>>380032809
>implying I use cuckdows

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>>380018096
>implying I don't already have Windows 10

>>380018096
>MS renamed "My Computer" to "This PC"
They aren't even hiding it anymore

>>380031614
It's pretty useful actually, although you do need to have friends to fully benefit from it that's true

>>380033006
good thing that doesn't happen then :)

>>380033481
>Massive international multi-billion dollar company is smart enough to remotely scan images for porn en masse but not smart enough to distinguish and judge based off where they were gotten from and how

>>380031853
>Proven
Wrong
>>380032254
Not happening
>>380032337
Not happening
>>380032340
Wrong

>>380034532

Do not entertain alarmist idiots that get their news from conspiracy nuts on youtube with 3 subscribers.

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>>380034582

>>380034582

Also refer to

>>380034651

>>380034582
>0.05 MicroBucks have been deposited into your Microsoft Wallet

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>>380034582
>this denial

>>380034582
>multiple screen shots of where settings are changed but windows blatantly ignoring them
>fake nooz

How much do you get paid to make comments like this?

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>>380034582
>Not happening
it happens, all the time.

If you unironically use Windows 10, please snap your neck.

I

>>380035425
lol

>>380018096
Fuck Windows 10, i preffer to stay on Windows 7 and wait for CXBX, if microsoft and SEGA cares about the fans on Steam. Fucking Sonic just DIE!

The problem with "Windows 10 exclusive" is that the games are available only on the Windows Store, not Steam.
And that Store is the most cancerous trash I've seen. I'd rather use Origin and Uplay over that crap.

>>380035425
So many reasons why Windows 10 Sucks for real.

>>380035425
to retards that don't turn automatic updates off, same thing happens in windows 7

>>380036096
only microsofts games are available on the store, things like fifa, nfs, witcher card game and many other non ms AAA titles and most of these indie shits are also available on win7

>>380036241
>in b4 tech illiterates saying you can't turn them off or you have to mess with the registry

>>380036241
nah, Win 7 asks you

>>380036464
Agreed.

>>380035425
There's no excuse for this anymore, Windows is constantly in your face about pending updates and scheduling restarts, you literally can't be surprised by this. It's still a fucking garbage business practice, but this is his own fault for ignoring all of the blaring update sirens before streaming.

7 user.

I will update to Win 10 LTSB today.

Wish me luck!

>>380036389
Here it comes, "ur bad at computers" in response to a W10 issue. Such a transparent pattern.

I have Win10 on my gayman PC, and I've never had problems with it. Still use Win7 on my other PCs, but for gaming it's not bad.

>>380036241
except win10 breaks if you block updates

>>380036712
Really? Now i feel more in love with W/7.

>>380036556
>It's your fault for using Windows!!!
FTFY

>>380036567
what for?

>>380036617

Consider not being bad at computers

Honestly you people sound like my grandparents, refuse to learn and knee jerk panic at any shitty rumor you hear.

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I'm thinking of switching back to windows 7, all i get now are these messages about updating to windows 10 creator edition, and I am sure I went and disabled everything, but I still get that fucking popup.

Is it viable to game on Linux yet, or no?

>>380036825
My Win 7 is getting real fucking slow now and I heard Win 10 is faster.

I want JSRF and SEGA don´t let me play it on Steam and it will after CXBX being emulated 100% just happen to Jet Set Radio when Demul get the game 100% done. Stupid SEGA as always trying to make others all the shit job and remember when is done before for others.

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I've noticed that in my circle of friends who I game with, those who are in college majoring in CS and know considerable amounts about computers have updated to Windows 10, while those who are still on 7 haven't even gone to college.

It's only like 8 friends, but it's still something to think about.

>>380036921
its the same shit, win 10 get slower over time too, just reinstall 7, its not like you play forza right m8?

>>380027124
>Honestly it is more out of laziness of having to convert all files to linux formats
No you don't. Linux supports NTFS and ext4 alike.

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>>380036849
what? you dont like updates? you must be fun at parties

>>380037114
But Win 10 can boot and hibernate faster.

>>380037227
its literally 1-2 minutes per day, are you considering this shit only because of boot times? are you fucking retarded?

>>380036241
No the same thing did not happen in Windows 7 at all. Automatic updates always let you know that you needed to restart but never forced you to update. Even when it started a restart count down it gave you an hour on the initial count down. It never just restarted you on the middle of you doing something ever.

>>380037007
Me and most of my friends are already University graduates, and none of us voluntarily would use W10. Even 8, with its 8.1 and classic hell addons, is barely tolerable at times, and 10 is just one buggy fire ant nest.

>>380037227
Only because it uses a log-out + sleep hybrid for its "shut down" procedure. The hyped faster boot times are a placebo effect caused by brand new systems / fresh installs resulting overall snappier feel for the first few months. If you really care about faster OS load times, get an SSD.

>>380036849
Yes, though it depends.

If you're the type of gamer who absolutely has to pay $60 on day one for every new AAA game from EA, then no GNU/Linux isn't for you.
If you're the type who is ok with waiting a while until a game is cheap then you'll probably do a lot better.
Due to the current demographics of the Linux community some genres are way better represented than others, there's tons of hardcore strategy games and old school shooters for instance, but few driving games or fighting games unless you count older games played through emulation.

I've already made the switch, and while yeah there are some games I miss it didn't actually cut that much from my backlog.

>>380037396
>>380037529
meh, I'm getting 5 mins boot for Win 7...

It's pissing me off.

Sorry guise, Win 10 here we come.

>>380037620
>meh, I'm getting 5 mins boot for Win 7...
the fuck are you doing, mate?
Even my 6yo LAPTOP with 5400rpm HDD boots in a minute.

>>380027124
>convert all files to linux formats
What does this even mean? GNU/Linux based operating systems support all Standard file formats. You aren't using some weird non-standard single platform shit are you?

Do you want data-loss? Because that's how you get data loss.

>>380037620
>my computer is so shit up with shit that my computer takes forever to boot. I think this new operating system will somehow stop booting do long even though I still have tons of shit

>>380037712
It's a labtop though.

>>380027124
> convert to linux format

Why bother talking about stuff u know nothing about?

Which linux DE is best?

>>380037786
Uh huh? A craptop should by all means perform WORSE. More so since it has a mere i3 2000-something and 6GB DDR3.

That being said, even my desktop boots within a minute or so from dead cold state to the desktop. Would prolly do it quicker if I'd disable the BIOS startup screen thing, which I prefer to keep on for the times I need to tweak something.

>>380037969
The one that fits your needs and tastes.
Mint is pretty alright and rookie-friendly, fitting nicely for Windows refugees too.

>>380018203
>Something happened like that the last time Microsoft tried to force and OS upgrade on gamers
That was only because those games didn't require an online connection for initial validation. You can't just edit your hosts file to redirect microsoft's urls and ips to 127.0.0.1 and have your vidya work anymore.

I'm probably going to bite the bullet and """upgrade""" to play that pirate game, it looked sick as shit.

>>380036843
the last windows update removed the 12-hour time to limit upgrades, now you can turn off them easily if you want

>>380037553
Does that WINE thing allow you to play windows only games?

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>>380018096

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You don't have anything to hide, do you, anon?

Do you?

>>380037969
the one with win7

>>380037220
I don't go to parties.

>>380033882
>implying you're off the government grid if you use linux
you must be over 18 to post here

>>380037969
Gnome seems to be emerging as the standard, its a bit different than Windows but that can help drive home the fact that its not Windows and makes shifting gears easier. Whereas the Windows clones like Mint's Cinnamon can be jarring when you run into a spot where the illusion falls apart.

>>380033010
yet you'll go to the lengths of GNU compiling

kys

>people think they can resist Windows 10

Newer platforms only support Win10 so eventually you will be dragged into the ecosystem. Valve wont save you because Valve just wants Steam to remain a platform where you buy games and until MS only allows windows store games then you are fucked.

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>>380038906
you dont compile things on win7 retard

>>380034532
>Massive international multi-billion dollar company is smart enough to not constantly throw updates at it's user base wherever they feel like it, without regard of interrupting their users's current work on their PC.

>>380035425

>>380033685
>Microsoft violates HIPPA and reads my emails without my permission
Out of the relationship between you, Microsoft, and your doctor, your doctor is the only one of the three beholden to it. Also, it's not just Microsoft who snoops like that, it's everyone. Google, Yahoo, iCloud, whatever. They all have the ability to peek at your shit and share it with others. You can find some services like ProtonMail who hold themselves to a standard, but there's no legal obligation to actually adhere to that standard.

If anything, by sending that information to you through email that he hadn't personally encrypted end-to-end, your doctor is the one who violated HIPAA.

>>380038356
Yes, but with limits.

Right now support for D3D11 is still brand new, and while maturing rapidly still can't provide a good experience for running Windows games since you'll experience severe performance degradation due to D3D11 having an extremely non-standard workflow that is difficult to wrap to standard APIs. Next-gen wrappers built using Vulkan will help address this, but they don't exist yet and even when they do its not clear if the upstream Wine devs will accept them due to their being Mac users forcing Wine to stick with OpenGL 4.1 relying on 'compatibility' profile crap which doesn't always work well on GNU/Linux.

For D3D9 games though you can get full performance if you have an AMD card and the unofficial Linux-exclusive open drivers which not offer much better performance in OpenGL, but also native D3D9 support, this also requires a patched version of Wine to get around the Mac-centric restrictions but there are Wine management tools that make this trivial.

Its best to think of Wine like DOSbox. Its a good way to scratch the itch for some old games, for newer games you really want native Vulkan versions.

>>380018096
So is XV coming to steam or windows store?

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>>380038961
except ms is on their way to fuck steam in the ass, pic related is optional, for now. ou think gabe will just stand and watch it?

>>380036241
I tried to "turn my automatic updates off" and now instead of my computer being forcibly restarted when I'm using it, Windows 10 started interrupting what I was doing, minimizing literally everything to tell me I need to fix my settings, and not letting me do anything else until I open the settings window. That's when I went back to 7

>>380035425
Wouldn't blame the OS when it's a simple google search away on how to fix this.

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>>380039321
Thankfully he's not. He just hired some child prodigy who re-wrote Intel's Linux drivers for fun a few years ago to work on the RadV Vulkan driver as his summer job this year while he's not in class.

RadV is improving crazy fast too with all the people Valve has hired to work on it. Still has some bottlenecks with certain more advanced effects but what they've managed so far is really impressive and they only just reached feature complete and started working on performance.

>>380037969
Mint or Xubuntu if you're coming from windows.

>>380039279
I have an nvidia card, 970

>>380021943

What the fuck is assistive technologies

>>380039740
So once this is done, steam OS will be able to play most games?

>>380018096
>Ads
>Pop-ups that nag you to install software you don't need
>Telemetry
>Forced updates
>Bland & shitty design.
>Unorganized UI elements
>Software compatibility & optimization problems
>Collection of personal, identifiable, information and selling it to 3rd parties
>Windows Store & control of what you can and cannot install on your PC (Yes, Microsoft dictating what software you can and what you cannot install on your personal computer)

Feel free to add other annoyances.

>>380039871
Nvidia are assholes who don't really allow unofficial drivers like AMD do, so the open source drivers are basically unusable for gaming, but their official closed source driver is essentially the same as the Windows one.

OpenGL performance is decent, same as on Windows (not that you'd really use it on Windows) and is about on par with the open source RadeonSI driver for AMD hardware, and much faster than AMD's official driver on either platform.
Vulkan performance is same as on Windows.

For Wine there's a different method to improve performance that is generally now enabled by default, but it can only manage 60%-80% performance unlike the 99%+ that the native support Gallium Nine offers.

Should mention that for Vulkan games Wine does support just passing it through to the native drivers which makes it fast, but so far there's only one Windows-only Vulkan game with the majority of Vulkan titles being cross-platform or with Vulkan support that is Linux-exclusive.

>>380038356
Yep. D44M for example works extremely well.

>>380039673
>you need to FIX a problem that should NOT BE a problem anymore in late 2010s, even more so since it was already "fixed" into more tolerable state in previous versions.
that's shit software design 101

>>380038469
>Implying calling home and gathering information doesn't use up system resources.

>>380040431
doesn't D44M work just fine out of the box on Steam, as it supports both OGL and Vulkan?

Will we need to upgrade to Windwos 10 eventually? I mean how long ar they gonna support Windows 7 1 or maybe 2 years?

What about W10 LTSB? Isn't it W10 with basically all shitty features removed?

>>380040769
And without updates, enjoy your ransomware.

>>380040769

>>380028549

>>380039979
Valve actually just updated SteamOS dropping AMD's official driver in favor of the much faster and less problematic open source one.
Games still need to be ported to Linux to run on SteamOS, if a game is designed properly and uses Vulkan across platforms this will be fairly trivial, though even if a dev uses Vulkan its still possible for publishers to stand in the way of Linux versions like EA and Zenimax do with studios that bought out which used to be Linux-friendly.

The older (and better) games from those studios are still Linux native though, and still work on modern distros.

>>380040412
>Ads
Turned off by flipping a switch
>Pop-ups that nag you to install software you don't need
Turned off by flipping a switch
>Telemetry
Turned off by flipping a switch
>Forced updates
You're an idiot if you don't update your system regularly. You can set the system to only update after asking permission again just like always.
>Bland & shitty design.
???
>Unorganized UI elements
???
>Software compatibility & optimization problems
???
>Collection of personal, identifiable, information and selling it to 3rd parties
Turned off by flipping a switch
>Windows Store & control of what you can and cannot install on your PC (Yes, Microsoft dictating what software you can and what you cannot install on your personal computer)
I haven't bought a single program off of the Windows store, and use my PC in the exact same way as when I was on Win7, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

It is annoying that they are trying to shove some services in your face when you first install, but honestly not that big a deal. Definitely the most stable and fastest architecture I've used.

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>>380040565
D44M is still compiled for windows so it needs WINE as a compatibility layer to work. After installing wine through their repos and installing Windows Steam then it works out of the box.

>>380040641
an overwhelming majority of users are still using Win 7 but they're using everything to push people off of it onto 10

Microsoft releasing "Win 10" was completely bullshit since 7 (and 8.x) are still completely sound
the only reason was to push their shitty store if not mass-sell data easier
even the other versions still track your shit

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>>380018096
I'm ready to make the jump to GPU passthrough and be fucking done with it

>>380040565
No, because the game is still not native and has win32 calls that require Wine to handle even though the Vulkan graphics can be basically passed through. Last I knew the game also had some calls that failed validation in the Vulkan version that could cause problems with standard Vulkan drivers and only work on Nvidia or AMD's proprietary drivers.

>>380022359
>compatibility with older software and games is worse
Bullshit, I can still play Jedi Knight and MechWarrior 3 on it and those are by far the most problematic older games

>>380022359
>and it was one helluva job to get them back to their original state
Is reinstalling an os really that hard for normies these days?

>>380040641
Microsoft has already effectively dropped support, and has blocked updates for 7 to enable new hardware or fix some long standing bugs that affect hardware.

The EOL is still about 2 years away, but the sooner you switch to GNU/Linux and add your voice to those demanding games on other platforms the better off we'll all be.

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>>380018096
>tfw on pirated Windows 10
>no intrusive updates AND viruses can't get to it

Speaking of viruses, just how clueless do you have to be to get one nowadays?

>>380024027
>And again, both OGL and Vulkan are rising in popularity, thanks to clear performance benefits.
Name any significant OGL game that is not from id Software

>>380041097
Everything that can be "turned off" will eventually stop being able to be "turned off". So no, it doesn't justify using w10.

And yes, IT IS ANNOYING when they are trying to shove services in my face which is why Windows 10 is utter shit made by incompetent cretins.

So fuck off to your designated shitting street, you fucking shill.

>>380041607
check again

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Most recent Steam OS survey not including GNU/Linux or OSX

>>380041717
counter strike

>>380027976
>Forced updates
>Increased vulnerabilities
These two things contrast each other
You know that Wanna cry ransomware shit going around? All people had to do to prevent it was keep Windows up to date

>>380041883
Should point out that doesn't necessarily exclude GNU/Linux, Steam tends to detect Wine as Windows XP 32bit or more recently Windows 10.

>>380029209
Do you really believe most people would run the survey on their backup system though?

Your argument is a huge stretch at best

>>380042017

>be legit win7 user
>cant update because updater is a piece of shit software

Lol

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>>380041883
Why did you crop out change in growth between win10 and win7?

>>380041993
Source engine is DirectX senpai

Only DotA supports Vulkan, and only on Linux is OpenGL an option for the rest

>>380042137
i dont think it matters man. Reported GNU/Linux is 0.81%. Even if you factor the WINE usage in it cant possibly be more than 2%

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>>380041883
what will people do when ms starts to force this >>380039321 and all win10 user wont have access to their libraries anymore, i look forward to this shit

>>380040991
What distro do you suggest for gaming?

>>380042494
It literally doesn't matter
All distros are is different packages bundled in
The only thing that significantly affects gaming is drivers

>>380042312
Its actually fairly hard to get counted as a Linux user. You can't use Steam in Wine, a VM, or dual boot. The the majority of Linux gamers are doing at least one of those regularly.
Steam only counts you once on your account and tries to present the survey on your most commonly used setup which leads to lots of Linux users reporting they got the Steam survey 'that one time' they started Steam in Wine or used it in Windows.
Also should note that SteamOS is not presented with the survey and not represented in the numbers at all.

Still yeah, its probably close to 2%, 3% max. Still consider how large the Steam user base is and even 1% is at least a million active users who are exclusively using GNU/Linux for gaming on Steam. That's not bad considering at the start it was only about a hundred thousand users.

>>380042436
They won't
Microsoft isn't that stupid. They know that third party software floats 95% of their business installations.

That Store Only prompt is for their Chromebook competitor OS, and guess what, Chromebooks are Chrome Store only too

>using windows
>using linux
>using gnu
>using ios
>not using TempleOS

FUCKING CIA NIGGERS

>>380042494
Ubuntu Gnome, or Xubuntu.

>>380042865
Some distros like Mint don't ship up to date drivers in a timely manner, and don't have a community that can step up. Mint is supposed to be fairly similar to Ubuntu so the Ubuntu community PPAs for drivers may work but wouldn't be reliable like the official Mesa Stable PPA for Ubuntu is.

Should also mention that only the official Ubuntu spins are officially supported by most game devs.

>>380018397
Xbox and Windows are playing for the same team.

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>>380043021
this guy gets it

>>380041732
>Being this mad about options that can be easily disabled

>>380043021
How much gaming support does TempleOS have?

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>>380039321
>apps

>>380043584
I really hate the rapid adoption of the term "app"

>>380043019
>They know that third party software floats 95% of their business installations.
Businesses are being given tools to add software to and manage their own local versions of the WIndows Store.
Businesses want 10 S since it will mean cheaper and easier to manage systems for the majority of their users where they don't have to worry about the elderly baby boomers clicking on a attachment and accidentally running an exe.

>That Store Only prompt is for their Chromebook competitor OS
False, its in the standard version of Windows, its just not enabled by default yet. In a few years time due to the incentive for OEMs to ship 10 S it will probably be on the majority of new Windows systems.

>Chromebooks are Chrome Store only too
Also false. Chromebooks use Gentoo GNU/Linux under the hood. Its trivial to run a traditional GNU/Linux environment on Chromebooks along side ChromeOS.
This along with the Android app compatibility on some newer Chromebooks has made them very popular dev machines.

>>380043019
this prompt is present in every never win10 installations, you can disable it only in pro versions, its only a matter of time before they disable it for everyone

>>380019450
Can I play windows 10 store games through a steam link?

>>380043583

A lot

>>380043584
>>380043698
They've always been called applications you retards.

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>>380018096
>people unironically use Win10

>>380039979
That's up to the developers and there's not much that valve can do other that good support to incentive the devs

>>380043576
They can't

>>380043845
Programs.

It's this fucking "hip" short forming shit. I bet you call pizza 'za, don't you? Heading out to get some 'za ?

>>380021560
>I've disabled all the lame shit and get to reap the benefits of the newer OS.
No, you haven't disabled them. You can't disable them.
https://twitter.com/m8urnett/status/866353982217699328

>>380041708
Not that much. With the vulnerability leaks dropping every week, there's a good chance one of these weeks you might get it.

>>380042137
Running 'winecfg' you can see what version wine is using. Also it has recently started going Windows 7 by default, not 10.

>>380042017
>All people had to do to prevent it was keep Windows up to date
no, all you had to do was disable samba like a non-retard

>>380044605
To be fair, disabling external connections and port forwarding on your router should save you from most of them

Wait I actually need 10 for those?

>>380044091
tard

>>380045296
only few of them will require 10, most of these games are also on 7. ori is only on 10 tho

>>380045468
>ori is only on 10 tho
Was this confirmed? I remember the same rumours about the first Ori game but it turned out to be wrong

>>380045468
Oh okay. I only really wanted to play Ashen and I think one other "exclusive". That's not worth their giant tablet OS.

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>>380022543
>/v/ condemns windows 10 for spyware and Microsoft being "greedy"
>Has almost no qualms with giving Gabe Newell shekels so he can inevitably force paid mods
>Have probably already installed Discord which gathers information for its Chinese parent company

>>380045663
ms owns ori, theres no way they release it for 7

>>380018096
I despise Windows 10 from a sysadmin standpoint.
>hostfile blocking ineffective
>GP settings meaningless
>constant network callbacks for stupid shit like ads
>despite setting permissions software is constantly reinstalled and whitelisted in firewall
>updates undo half the settings anyway so its like pissing in the wind

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>>380018096
I know it's well past the free update period, is there still a cheeky way to upgrade your copy of 7 to 10 anons?

>>380045035
Samba is Linux filesharing dumbass

Wanna cry has nothing to do with Samba

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>>380045035
smb is windows, samba is linux

>>380045842
Crippled people edition is still free.

>>380045842
Literally contact microsoft support.

>build gf gaming PC
>install windows 10 on it, have no key
>she sits w/ support chat, takes pic of win 7 key from laptop
>tells them she 'upgraded her workstation'
>they just give her a 10 key

>>380043749
That's a lot of projection anon

Literally everything in your post is conjecture

>>380043021
Are we the nigger cattles Terry?

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imagine being this cucked

>>380043749
>Its trivial to run a traditional GNU/Linux environment on Chromebooks along side ChromeOS.
You mean Crouton?

>Supports Ubuntu and Debian only
O I am laffin

>>380046240
So in my fully updated W7 I'm also this cucked? Honestly this should be illegal.

>>380046240
In fairness you'd be hard pressed to find any 1st party software entity who has a EULA different than that. Apple, Google, everyone is pretty much doing that these days. Home rolling Linux is pretty much the way to go if you truly care about that kind of thing. Learn to love WINE

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>Compliance

>>380043749
>Also false. Chromebooks use Gentoo GNU/Linux under the hood.
Irrelevant. You can't actually use it. All you can do is install another Linux system in parallel with it.

It's just as meaningless as saying Windows 10 S uses Windows 10 under the hood.

And I bet you unlike ChromiumOS, Windows 10 S will be cracked to run exes in no time

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>>380046696

>>380043763
Wheres your proof?

New installations of Windows 10 S you mean

>>380046808
I imagine that is indeed going to get 'cracked' rather quickly. I wonder how fast people will unfuck the Chinese W10:Botnet Free™ edition.

>>380046808
Indeed. It's the same as saying android is linux because it uses the same kernel.

>>380047039
i have pro installed and its there

>>380047271
I have pro installed and it's not

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>>380018096
I fucking love how /v/ dumbfucks don't use Windows 10 because of muh spying yet use google chrome, discord, and other social media outlets that are just as privacy evasive. Windows starts up way faster than any other windows version which makes it better since every windows version offers the same shit. At this point hating Windows 10 is just a meme like hating sonic. Either way windows 10 is definitely the best version of windows yet and the only people who complain about it are people who are to ignorant to fucking tweak its goddamn settings.

>>380047430
0.5 rupees have been deposited into your account pajeet

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>>380018096
I wanna install Win 2000 next week as my main OS. I have spare PC which should run it no problem

>>380047638
Not an argument

>upgraded to windows 10 the second I could
>disabled all the shit

Wow it's incredible what you can accomplish when you're not a retarded cry baby just being contrarian for the sake of it.

>>380047830
It clearly is pajeet

>>380047856
This

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>>380047430
>

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>>380047856
>disabled all the shit
>actually believes this

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We need to talk, let us calm down and look at the newest reveal about paid mods. I think it is a good step forward for a better gaming industry. It is healty no matter how much you don't like it. In the end it helps people, gamer like you or the Player to create and profit from his creation. "Content creator" need to be established as a worthwhile job in our society. This is just the first step and with a growing, divers and open platform we got in the gaming industry we might see more change to come. This is another point, you, the gamer, should start to learn to tolerate that because there is no way back. I mean, do you really believe Bethesda is going to do a 180° turn? Do you really hope that a Multi-Billion Dollar Industry just drop all their PR risk? This is the current state now, at least the Player understood it and i hope you will understand this too. Said with that, let us reconsider the model of "Paid Mods" I know you do not like it but try at least for a few moments to think about it how it could be better. What need to change on you or how could you change, how can we help you to change ....and so on...vise versa... that you can live and support this new model. Not that we need you, but it would be nice to have you continue in this hobby and support it.

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>>380047323
version 1607

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>>380018437

>You mean the Apple-lite fags?
>W7 Ultimate x64 > W8.1 > XP > Vista > 10

Holy shit, /v/ is even more cringier than reddit's PCMR.

>>380047430
>yet use google chrome, discord, and other social media outlets
Does any of these touch your personal files on your pc or collect what you type where you're not using them or anything else for that matter?

>>380045964
I'm going to assume you're talking about the "assistive technology" tickbox download, I was looking to see if there was any catches or downsides but I honestly can't find any thus far, I wonder why this still exists

>>380048213
Yes

>>380047856
I disabled all the shit spyware stuff and forced updates as well and i am enjoying Windows 10 very much.

>>380047856
>disabled all the shit

Confirmed that with wireshark, friendo?

>>380021683
This. 8.1 is for the survivor.

>>380048324
I'll bite. Prove it.

>>380048213
The point I'm trying to make is that even if you think your safe you are still enabling data collection that you were trying to prevent.

>>380048685
BRB, I'm going to go remove all the blinders from my house and insert webcams in every room and make them public

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>>380021560

>I got a free copy of Windows 10
>I've disabled all the lame shit

You dumb fucking idiot.

>>380040641
>Will we need to upgrade to Windwos 10 eventually?
No.

>I mean how long ar they gonna support Windows 7 1 or maybe 2 years?
2021.
but it's not like the OS will just "die" at that point.

>>380048135
>Pro N
?

>>380049816
thats the "clean" version without botnet, but all the botnet is still there

>>380018096
I use 10. Can we have free decent games so we can laugh at the 8 and 7 plebs?

What's hilarious is most windows users probably use nvidia cards and in turn uses GFE which is more spying than microsoft does.

>>380049919
>>380049816
The only Windows Version you disable the most botnet on is Enterprise and LTSB, but it still has botnet

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>complains that win10 is a botnet
>uses steam

>>380049816
>>380049919
N versions are special european versions without built-in media features like windows media player and codecs. Nothing else removed.

>>380050161

I ended up completely uninstalling GFE.

I kept the old version around that didn't require you to login but every time you update your graphic card drivers it uninstalls the current version, even if you tell it to not install the new one.

Then I did some googling and people say that GFE intentionally makes your games run worse before you 'optimise' them.

>>380047856
The settings literally have no effect on telemtry, ad serving connections, and group policy settings. Not even blocking connections in hostfile solves most of the connection problems, although you can block ads in stuff like skype that way.

Maybe do two seconds of research before spouting off like an idiot.

>>380018096
>installing windows 10 and use it for games
Literally EXACTLY what Microsoft want you to do.

>>380050549
LTSB doesn't have ads

>>380021560
>anyone who has a legitimate reason to stay on the older OS versions
As a rule of thumb for computing (or software development for that matter), if something is working as intended and gives you 100% functionality DO NOT CHANGE IT. If you change/upgrade something that is 100% functional the best case scenario is it continues to give 100% functionality and nothing has changed. The worst case scenario is something breaks and now it's your fault and you need to fix it. If something is working, do not change it, the end.
>but in order to play <new game> I need W10!
That is an example of a problem where you would upgrade. W7 would no longer be giving you 100% functionality at that point and you could start looking into whether upgrading would be worth it (whether the risk of damage outweighs the potential gain). W7 still does 100% of what I need so I have no reason to upgrade.

>>380050818
Ok but the vast majority of home users don't have volume licensing for enterprise versions ofwindows, or use cracked versions of windows, so kind of a moot point. Also, doesn't solve the reinstallation of software, ignoring telemetry and group policy settings, or automated whitelisting of unauthorized programs on the firewall (not that the firewall thing is a huge deal in an eterprise environment if you use a hardware firewall). You can block most of these connections at the router level but, surprise surprise, it breaks windows.

I tried GFE once, was thoroughly unimpressed by how all it does is tweak grafix settings (i can do that myself) and that was all it did. Oh, I guess it alerted me when a new driver update was out, but since now I'm on an old card that would actually be bad for me since Nvidia drivers gimp any card that isn't their current line.

>>380051068
It actually does solve the reinstallation of software as LTSB doesn't even have the store installed. If you don't want stuff to be reinstalled I believe there are settings that disable it but I'm not really sure since I haven't used the consumer version of Windows 10 since the 1507 build. Also is there any proof as to it ignoring group policy settings? As far as I'm aware all the group policy settings that I changed are in effect.

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>>380051068
>it breaks windows

Nice try, shill.

>>380051709
this is just host file, it has nothing to do with blocking at router level. this doesnt break windows because widows doesnt even use it

>>380051681
There is stuff floating around out there, I haven't done much independent testing myself, I have only noticed it removing my hostfile settings and undoing my GP settings on win10 pro. There is an image floating around on /g/ of a guy doing VM testing w/ wireshark and noticing all of the inconsistency in settings vs what it does.
>>380051709
>shill
You retarded, son? What about that pile of text I posted lead to you believe I was championing Windows at all?

>>380051681
>Also is there any proof as to it ignoring group policy settings?
https://xato.net/windows-spying-and-a-twitter-rant-19203babb2e7

>>380052008
>being this retarded

>play all those xbox games!
The Xbone has no games. They've been literally face and ass raped by Sony this entire generation.

>>380040871
It DOES have security updates, but not feature updates.

Just installed Mint as a dual-boot on an old laptop, for practice. Going to add it on my main tower soon too, I think.

The plan:
>Win7 for SupCom: Forged Alliance
>back to Mint for everything else