What's the fundamental difference between Fallout 3

One of those groups has shit taste

Fallout 3 fans like shitty shooters

New Vegas fans like RPGs

>>379961384
one is the cannon fallout 3 by the og team

one is a shit knockoff

One has visible walls in cramped cities
One has invisible walls in a boring desert

NV players have 10 intelligence

>>379961384
New Vegas fans are fatfuck NMA grognard shit eating hypocrites that never shut up about a mediocre rehash of a game they claim to despise.

>>379961602
>one is the cannon fallout 3 by the og team
>one is a shit knockoff

and an okay story if your willing to waste hours upon hours of time looking for them and doing trivial shit

>>379961384
fallout 3 fans know they have shit taste
NV fans are in denial and have a violent freakout if you don't entertain their delusions that NV is the only game ever made worth spending their time on

>>379961384
They're both pretty damn enjoyable imo

3 fans are brainlets.
NV fans are big guys.

>>379961384
Fallout 3 fans grew up with Fallout 3
Fallout New Vegas fans grew up with Fallouts 1&2

>>379961384
tries to push the player along the path of the story instead of wandering around a big map until you feel like going to the next main quest which they dumped somewhere on it randomly
skills and stats reflected in dialogue
factions and choices that aren't just white knight or pointlessly edgy

>>379961384
New Vegas fans don't like hats.

>>379961664
Case in point >>379961602

>>379961384
The arguing amongst "fans" is pretty unbarable.

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>>379962387
The base game of Fallout 3 has some spicy atmosphere, better than vanilla NV desu.

>>379962951
>muh admosbear :DDDDD

one gets a dedicated >>/vg/ guy

>>379962951
I truly don't understand why people can't enjoy both. They were both solid games in their respective times. Of course NV improved on alot of things, it had nothing but room for improvement.

Fallout 3 fans love Todd.
Fallout NV fans hate Todd.

>>379963480
fallout 3 is not solid

>>379962951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0

"Atmosphere" doesn't mean shit when the world doesn't make any fucking sense

>>379963650
How so?

>>379962387
I grew up with 3 and think NV is miles better.

I got through one playthrough of 3, started another, and quit like 30 minutes in.

I've done probably 20+ playthroughs of NV

>>379962951
>muh grimdark green filtered atmosphere!!!

fallout 3 has small brain
new vegas has big brain

Fallout 3 has cliche and interesting quests and a very interesting and game changing world to explore but lacks diplomacy and character building.

New Vegas lacks the interesting atmosphere and world but focuses on character building and diplomacy. Individual quests are pretty boring but add up to an interesting whole story.

>>379962387
you're delusional if you think even 10% of New Vegas' playerbase has played Fallout 1&2

>>379962951
The atmosphere's are different, but I wouldn't say NV fails to deliver the atmosphere it's going for any less than F3 did. 3 just went for something more 'in-your-face' than NV.

>>379961384
New Vegas had writers while Bethesda had monkeys with typewriters.

>>379963785
b-because /v/ said so! I have to f-fit in at all costs!!

FO3 is for people like fun.
NV is for fedora tipping neckbeard faggots who think Obsidian isn't pure shit.

>>379964242
I thought the wild west cowboyish atmosphere was pretty neat myself. Also liked 3's more decayed apocalyptic atmosphere as well.

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>>379963785
The story and setting is completely off. Theres a multipage article that goes into it called the blistering stupidity of fallout 3.

>Pay nigger for info on how to safely navigate boomer territory
>Reload save right before I spoke to him
>Blow his fucking face off and make of with free info and a few extra caps


I think there's a bet that you can make with him to score you tons of caps, but murdering a scamming nigger feels a lot healthier.

>>379962387
Grew up with 3 yet i love 1, 2 and new vegas I was playing 2 yesterday before the memory for the save got corrupted at mariposa

>>379962387
nice try kid but both 3 and new vegas are shit

>>379964551
Rude.

>>379964527
Ironically shitposting about it does not make Fallout 3 a good game Todd

>>379963785
bad story and writing, shitty gunplay, shit scaling, shitty weapon designs, game tries too hard to be wacky 50's shit, green everywhere like the bombs just dropped event though its been hundreds of years, shit gameplay

Nether are Fallout 4 fans, so they are fine.

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>>379964597
>not doing the bet, coming back safety afterwards then killing him

>>379964597
>feels a lot healthier

kek'd

Fallout 3 fans don't really give a shit about what they're playing as long as they feel like the big hero guy.

F3 fans are normies
NV fans are dorks

>>379964728
how's your wife's son, Josh? still mad as ever I see

>>379964805
speaking of trying too hard
don't you have a fedora to go tip?

>>379964579
You could seriously poke just as many holes in NV's story.

>>379964579
>any Fallout
>good story or writing
If that's what you're playing these games for you're retarded

FO3 was less of an RPG and more of an adventure FPS with character customization set in a nonsensical but fun amusement park

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Why do all women in fallout have mustaches?

Fallout New Vegas fans have taste.

The thing that really gets me is how NV fans claim its the more intelligent game yet every point on the map is either nothing or just a checkpoint for some quest.

>>379965305
Holes big enough to make the whole plot irrelevant? Interesting, what are they?

Even FO4 is better than 3, because that has decent combat.

Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter

>>379965305
no, you literally can't. go ahead and try dumbass

>>379965605
radiation

>>379961384
I miss Fo3 and FoNV voice acting. It felt so uncanny and strange, a perfect fit for the world they're set in.

Fo4 is too jarringly realistic and detracts a lot of the wackiness and oddities the series was brought up on by taking itself too seriously.

A fundamental difference between fans? No idea, all I know is I prefer those two over the new one.

>>379965783
It also had better partners and partner quests, obviously taking a page from New Vegas.

>>379965635
Us gentlemen of superior intellect prefer mature games for mature gamers.
*tips fedora*

FO3 fans tend to be nice, humble people who understand that they can enjoy what they like, and others can enjoy whatever others like.

FONV fans a turbo beard autists who get off of faux depth in an RPG that has gimmicky goofy one dimensional factions that get discussed about on a mongolian threadweaving forum everyday.

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Wait people actually like NV? LMAO

>>379966143
It's not really faux depth. Multiple ending paths actually add more playability and depth to the experience.

>>379965417
So why do you play them then?

>>379965131
Hurr durr I can't make a counter argument. Kill yourself.

>>379966861
for funny robot

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>>379966448

>>379967025
Welp, guess I can't argue with that.

>>379966861
to walk around the theme park worlds and occasionally smirk at "le funny references" and shoot/smack some enemies

>>379965990
There has to be a name for that. Command and Conquer had the same thing. The last game in the series was so bad that it united the camps of fans of 1&2 with the fans of 3 in hating 4. That seems to be the general tone-shift.

Even people who despised Fallout 3 but loved New Vegas can at least acknowledge that 4 represents a big step in a very worrying direction. It's more polished than 3, doesn't commit the design equivalent of giving the closing argument for the defense without remembering to put pants on, but that's all it does. Carrying that analogy forward, it's properly dressed and uses correct legal terminology but the argument is either utter nonsense or has no legal merit whatsoever, and whole chunks of the statement are lifted from someone else without attribution.

>>379964365
sad

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Bethesda fallout games try to appeal to the "survival" cliche, taking advantage of the deep desire of man in a civilized world to escape in a world familiar to theirs but play "hero" after a big disaster, a deep feeling mankind has, to survive and come out on top in some way. In this case, nuclear war setting a post industrialized society back to primitive survival. We all deep down want this as we see how the cut and dry but safe society we built has taken away that deep "survival" instinct. At the same time however, we are so far removed from these primitive times, that we take pleasure in living out our fantasies on a screen. Bethesda understands this, and plays their games purely to this philosphy of mans desire for "survival" without adding extra layers of maturity, attempting to come up with a realistic outlook on a post SHTF scenario a century or two later.

Essentially this creates a juvenile fantasy based on someone too afraid to explore the deeper meaning of what a post SHTF world would look like

This is where new vegas comes into play. Like 1 and 2, new vegas understands it too, plays to "survival" instinct to why people find interest in the fallout games and many other of these "survival" games. However, new vegas like 1 and 2 asks many things.

What new political ideologies would form from the ashes of an old society?
What morals would people follow?
What would agriculture and supply chain systems look in the new world?

>>379967690
I think 4 is a better game than 3. 4 is a competent game that's shallow and made for stupid cabbages. 3 is a game that's actively fucking insulting to my intelligence.

>>379965305

We're waiting

>>379967030
have you played the legion ending?

>>379967910
also, you have to compare how fallout 3 plays out versus how fallout new vegas plays out. New vegas brings up the complicated question of how do you rebuild a civilization after the violence. Fallout 3 explores the conquest part, but doesn't do much to explore the foundational part of rebuilding a civlization. Tribals have invaded early forms of civilizations, but how do you go about building something like the roman empire?

You killed the master in fallout 1, you killed the movement to ally the wasteland through genociding people in favor of a new race adopted to a harsher world with flaws, in turn protecting the future of nations like the NCR present in new vegas as a stronger force than they were in FO1

>>379961384

Fallout 3 fans have a case of severe nostalgia and usually like action games such as shooters

Fallout New Vegas fans like RPGs

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>>379961384

>>379961384
Fallout 3 fans are faggots and New Vegas fans are insufferable faggots.

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>>379969442
Really strudels your noodles

>>379968991
I think I may have actually quit playing before finishing the legion path because it was just too stupid. Got bored.

>>379968130
Bit of a typo - I meant to write 'loved 3 and despised New Vegas'.

The thing is, 3 is a fucked game in several different ways, I won't dispute that for a second, but it's clearly a case of trying something and not getting all the way there. Fallout 4 doesn't feel incompetent so much as lazy. I'm not sure which is worse, I only know I won't play either game ever again, and as long as Fallout 4 is a model for what's to come, I'm not interested in anything they might do in the future either.

>>379962951
Fuck no, Fallout 3's atmosphere put me to sleep. I can't believe I actually gave New Vegas a shot after how much I hated 3, but I'm glad I did, because New Vegas is much better, in spite of sharing some notable flaws.

>>379969442
>>379969747
>needs handholding to be able to explore things

>>379969442
>>379969747

>100 three minute quests in NV

DUDE ITS LIKE SO MUCH MORE

>>379970245
New Vegas had a terribly dry, reused, and recycled atmosphere. Fallout 3 had one of the best atmospheric environments in all of gaming.

>>379969442
to be fair a good 85% of those are fetch quests or "walk and talk to this person" quests. of course that's mostly true for 3 as well, but at least there's less of them

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>>379962951

>>379963528
So what if I both love to hate and hate to love Todd? Is this an abusive relationship between me, Todd and my wallet?

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What were they thinking?

>>379970830
Ah yes, Obsidian games sure are great once they get those patches(fanmade) 5-10 years later

>>379961486
New Vegas plays exactly like Fallout 3 though

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>>379965305
good luck anon

>>379971368
You should mostly blame the engine
Have you tried making an attractive character in it?

>>379971368
>giving a shit about the graphics in new vegas
>or any bethesda game
what are you doing nigga

>>379970619
I always find these claims irretrievably vague. What does this actually mean?

Fallout 3's 'atmosphere' is built on two bad things that don't become better for their combination; an environment that makes no sense at all and a bunch of color wash filters. The best way to improve Fallout 3's aesthetics is to just remove the washes entirely. The texture work in the game was clearly not done with a green filter over everything in mind. New Vegas has the same problem with one arguable exception. The problems with its environment design can't be fixed without extensive work, and those problems are so deep and widespread they undermine everything they relate to (series continuity and story, particularly).

Even if the engineering and art direction in Fallout 3's aesthetics were a perfect and peerless use of technology and design, there's no getting away from their utter disconnect with the kind of setting and story they're supposedly trying to tell. Fallout 3's elements work, when they work, almost completely in isolation.

>>379961384

While it's perfectly acceptable to enjoy both, everyone will of course enjoy one more than the other. The fundamental difference is that those that prefer Fallout 3 enjoy Fallout 3 more than they enjoy New Vegas and those that prefer Fallout New Vegas enjoy Fallout New Vegas more than they enjoy Fallout 3.

Hope this helps!

>>379964597

How is he a scammer? He was entirely up front with you.

>>379971368

Not everyone in the real world looks like an uguu mannequin, Anon. You'd know that if you ever stepped out of your basement.

>>379971368
Crappy bethesda engine and 8 month dev cycle.
To give Ulysses a decent face they actualy had to model a 'mask' for the character to wear.

>>379975503

This is so outlandishly stupid it has to be legitimate. No one writing satire would write this and think it was believable.

Fallout 3 fans shitpost on /vg/
New Vegas fans shitpost on /v/ and refuse to leave

>>379975503
oh my fucking god
there's so many things wrong with this
did he even play it or did he just watch a speedrun on youtube?

>>379961384
Age.

>>379972446
New Vegas is a better designed RPG. Gunplay is the same (NV has iron sights though) but RPG design is much better

>>379965305
Still waiting.

>>379977439
These numbers change every time someone says it. They had 18 months. 18 months with established technology, pipeline and etc. Cutting the extra Legion content, reworking Ulysses as a DLC character and so on were all decisions made mainly at Obsidian with Bethesda's approval and those cuts and changes were built less around schedule and more around hardware problems, particularly with the PS3.

The redaction came after their work was already done, when the QA team found their work schedule mysteriously cut in half. Speculation rages to this day as to why the publisher decided to pull the plug on pre-release polishing and those theories center around a plan to lure Obsidian into a buyout similar to what was attempted with Human Head and what was done successfully with Arkane and Machine Games.

P A I D M O D S

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>>379964579

>>379979264
Gunplay's not the same, either, it's a good bit better. J.E. Sawyer did a lot of really good work on game balance, and he put a lot of thought into weapon feel specifically. They feel a lot less plinky in NV.

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>>379965305
Go ahead

>>379975503
>I didn't like 2

>>379961384
I don't understand why people make this distinction so complicated.
Do you like shooting things over and over again? You'll prefer Fallout3/4
Do you want an RPG? You'll prefer new vegas.

There's nothing wrong with either camps, but the former tends to consist of younger players because fuck reading I need to shoot shit.

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>>379969823
URGH,
GOT,
BORED OF NEW VEGAS!!!

TOO MUCH TALK!!
NOT ENUFF SMASH!!

URGH... RUG! GRUG WANT FIGHT EVIL ENCLAVE!!! GRUG WANT 100 IN ALL STATS!!!

>>379975503
>skip all the dialogue and lore text
>why is the story so shit

>>379961384
i hate walking in the desert forever and randomly getting gang banged by 20 fucking enemies that come out of nowhere.

>>379975503
>gord
what kind of edgelord does this

>>379981016
Even if you accept all those counter points you're still left with a setting where everyone should be dead of dehydration or starvation because theres not been any clean water or new food for 200 years.

>>379975503
>writing an article about a game you didn't play

>>379961384
>Fallout 3
Great sidequests, relatively poor RPG mechanics, excellent game world.
>Fallout New Vegas
OK sidequests, excellent RPG mechanics, piss poor empty game world.

>>379969747
>that lack of Legion quests compared to the NCR
This will never not make me angry

>>379970629
Even the little shit like Ant Misbehavin' features at least one skill check, and small quests Talent Pool introduces a swathe of new content for you to enjoy when you complete it.

>>379988802
Wrong.

fallout 3 = people that like comics and movies
fallout NV = people that like books and games

>>379965305
You there bud?

FNV you can kill all but one npc, F3 you cant

>>379992939
why don't children count?

Wait fallout 3 has fans?

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>>379981016

Playing NV right now.
Which faction should i go with?

>>379975503
>invested in a character soley because of who voiced them
the fuck is this shit

>>379993797
Is this your first time playing? If so then judge each of them based on their merits and make the decision yourself. There's no "right" faction since all have their flaws

>>379975503
>mentions TV at the end
Consolefags in a nutshell.

>>379971368
NOT AN ARGUMENT!

>>379975503
I love this text.

>>379988802
>piss poor empty game world
i don't agree, but for the sake of argument, it's the mohave desert. outside of vegas, its barren wasteland.... present day.

>>379993797
NCR or House for the first playthrough.
Legion for the second because they are unfinished and disappointing and should not spoil your mood for another playthrough.
Yes Man is meant to be an emergency solution in case you screw up the main faction questlines.

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I was having a blast wandering the wasteland, exploring every accessible area I stumble upon. It was fun, until I continued the story where I've left it (after meeting your father), and from then it just went downhill it turned me off from playing it at all
Fallout 3 Map > Fallout NV Map

>>379997686
see >>379963754

>>379961384
Anyone else have the unpopular opinion of liking all Fallout games? I played NV before 3 and I can see where someone would enjoy NV more, due to the tone of the game and all, but 3 brought to the table city ruin exploration which was something I didn't find in NV. Of course we have F4 now.

>>379962075
Essentially all RPGs. Maybe you should try finding a new game genre to play.

>>379998387
The only one i couldn't get into was Fallout 4 and BoS i guess?
Other than that they are all pretty solid.

>>379961384
You've been asking this a lot lately. Why are bethesda apologists even allowed to use a computer?