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>west is incapable of making a good combat system to save

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>west is incapable of making a good combat system to save their own life
>Bamham combat was retard-tier
>copy based Jap Souls combat but still fuck it up
>awful animations
>sluggish
>cinematic take downs that take control away

How come the West always takes ques from superior Japs but still fucks it up some how?
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>>379957119
go to bed ken sama
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>No shadows
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>>379957119
Look at Code Vein. That's Japanese and it also looks like shit.
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I'd be down if Assassin's Creed just decided to completely copy Dark Souls combat but still keep the stealth kill for when you sneak up on peeps.

That ain't gonna happen tho.
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>>379957119
>>west is incapable of making a good combat system to save their own life
>awful animations
>cinematic take downs that take control away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHgGfsZN-5I
there was a time, when west developers did good games and did not gave a shit.
Those times are long gone.
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>>379958003
>Warrior Within
>good
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>>379958101
>warrior within
>bad
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>>379957818
damn thanks i knew something was odd with the video, how the fuck could they mess this up in the 'muh 4k xbonex' craze? do they have no QA?
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>>379957119
It's true, though Bamham and Shit of Mordor do have legitimately good animations, but obviously only because it's just a series of scripted events. Mechanics wise they are pure fucking cancer, especially Shit of Mordor

There's also nothing wrong with "cinematic takedowns" as long as you know how to do them.
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>>379958363
>Warrior Within
>best
wew fucking lad
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>>379959015
best gameplay
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The combat system looks janky as f*** and I'm an AC fan

Don't like all the slow motion when there's a block or parry too
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>>379957818
You want shadows in shade? You must be mad!
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Is there any western action fighting game that comes close to Ninja Gaiden Black? I truly feel like that game perfected the genre (at least in terms of combat systems) and no other game has yet been as good.
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>>379959235
This. Looks horrendous. Couldn't they just have kept Unity's system? At least it looked realistic and fluid even if the enemies didn't really attack in sync.
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>>379957119
Damn this looks good in 4k
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why cant we just have brotherhood/ revelations gameplay?

revelations hook was perfection and brotherhood throwing weapons were fun as fuck
i loved throwing 2 handed swords into a almost dead soldier
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>>379958363
>conveniently leaves out Prince of Persia 3D
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>>379957119
Looked more similar to Breath of the Wild's combat to me. They even had the bow slow mo when jumping and shooting
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>>379957119
>based jap souls combat
>the same shitty control scheme every japanese action game has recycled for years
jedi outcast has the best melee combat in any game ever and it will never be topped. if you can't move, attack, and aim at the same time your controls are shit.
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>>379958897
Is this ninja gaiden? Is this cutscene?
If microsoft pulled a FOUR KAY 8CH DEE ninja gaiden they would of btfo sony.
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>>379959570
we dont talk about prince of persia 3d in here
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>>379959015
>2017
>Year our lord Jesus is reborn to grow into a drug addicted homeless guy whom everyone dismisses as a raving delusional lunatic
>Still being edgy

I seriously hope you aren't deliberately being /r/4chan right now
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>>379959167
sure, if you like combat that feels bad and lacks any semblance of depth and platforming more often serves as a form of padding than a form of challenge.
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>>379959405
>Muh Black
Muh Black
>Muh Black
Muh Black
>Muh Black
Muh Black
>Muh Black
Muh Black
>Muh Black
Muh Black
>Muh Black

You know the series progressed beyond that, don't you?
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>>379959713
It's how the game actually plays except with cutscene camera angles since it's from the opening demo
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I much prefer games like Batman Arkham series and God Of War to anything Japan has put out. The west isn't fucking retarded and knows how to make games that can be for the baby audience or also require hardcore player ingenuous while not being as boring as say...DMC3 which is just combo, combo, combo. Assassin's Creed sucks though and always has. Could never get into them even when the hive mind opinion was to love them.
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>>379959570
Get the fuck off this website
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for honor has great combat and mechanics though
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>>379957818
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>>379959807
I'm edgy because I don't like Warrior Within? Are you high?
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>>379959713
that's OG ninja gaiden. i think it might be a cutscene or a special demo but you can do everything in the video in normal gameplay

and i think ninja gaiden is a multiplat now and not really that good since oatmeal face left
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>>379959883
u got a problem, white boi?
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>>379959713
Be honest. Are those legitimate questions?
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>>379959857
>lacks any semblance of depth
well good to know your didnt played the fucking game
every weapon does diferent damage and you can use the enemy and the map as weapons
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>>379959976
>western game finally has half decent combat mechanics when it is intended as a fucking pvp fighting game

if it wasnt at least average I would have been shocked
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>>379960035
No, you are edgy because you are too young to post on 4chan but you do anyway. Nice reddit formatting BTW.
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>>379959934
shut your whore mouth
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>>379960010
>>379957818
now i understand, it's so early in history, no indoor shadows are discovered yet
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>>379960324
In all fairness he most likely meant the other god of wars and not this fucking trash
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>>379957119
>Western studios make a game that can appeal to everyone even non-gamers
>Japanese studios make a game for people who are already play games regularly
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>>379960273
Why bother posting like this?
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>>379960437
Where is the light source that should be casting a shadow in the OP image?
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>>379960185
i agree
an rpg with for honor combat mechanics has potential
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>>379959934
Play Ninja Gaiden, then. It's not about combos
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>>379960506
>western studios make shallow games that practically play themselves
>japanese studios cannot innovate paste the same few control schemes because it works for controllers and it's all they really know even if it's repetitive as fuck and has a low skill ceiling
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>Eagle that's literally just a reskined UAV Drone from Watch Dogs 2
Jesus ubisoft could you be any less shit
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>ques

Fuck off, spic.
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>>379957119
>a fucking kopesh in the 1st century BC
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>>379960821
>literal eagle vision
Took them long enough to do this.
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>>379960821
Watch Dogs 2 did that too? I thought Ghost Recon Wildlands was the first one
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>>379960010
Not only does it have shadows, but is that also some dank ass reflective lighting? damnnnnnnn
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>>379960776
It's hard to make a good combat system that doesn't get repetitive, but Japs are still better at making them in all cases
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>>379960841
He's trying to spell "queues" but what he really means in "cues"
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>>379960821
They are really fucking pushing the boundaries of not doing a god damn thing for your paycheck. They want to get to the point where they can literally just reskin a game 4 times for each of their big franchises.
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>>379958003

wtf this is cool

why can't we have a modern game with depthy combat like that?
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>>379961027
Far cry Primal had this and technically Far Cry 3 and 4 did via the sky camera mortars in bases...
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>>379960589
WE WUZ SCIENS
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>>379960324
I definitely meant the older GoW games. This one kinda pisses me off because I think GoW perfected camera in action games. Compared to NG/Capcom/Platinum Games who could never come close to perfecting it with camera problems cited in every action game, and hell even in some fights in the Soulsbourne games where camera got in your way, GoW didn't give player camera control while using the optimal view for each area/fight. But this new game has typical third person video game camera controlled by right analog stick. I can understand the revamp in the combat systems, even if its a bit simpler. But that camera was like the best thing.
>>379960716
It's my favorite Japanese made combat focused game for sure.
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>>379961291
Farcry 4 and Primal have the exact same map.
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>>379961367
The lights coming from the other side mong
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>>379960551
I will tell you when you explain to us why you bother posting at all.
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>>379960105
just because you have options doesn't mean there's any sort of depth. The options you have in all three of the SoT games aren't really worthwhile. Picking up the weapon that feels best to you is a no-brainer, you don't need to concern yourself with picking a weapon to combat a specific enemy type. Using the environment is also generally a no-brainer because parkour attacks are safer and deal more damage. You could say that it requires some ingenuity to pull them off, but rooms are so cramped that you're rarely more than a few paces away from a wall.

Are you that same faggot I argued with for an hour about your horrible opinions on PoP games a few days ago? Because I'm not gonna do that shit again.
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>>379960084
n-no, your majesty.

>>379960045
>and i think ninja gaiden is a multiplat now and not really that good since oatmeal face left

Maybe you should leave the thinking to people who know what they are talking about.

It's all gameplay, only the camera angles are different because it's from the start screen demo.

>Ninja Gaiden Black demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZSOvfEMl4I

>Ninja Gaiden Sigma demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_gzOKHz4LE

>Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pqnq2IsDw


Couldn't find Ninja Gaiden 2 demo. Different video quality is deceiving, all games run at 60 FPS and Sigma looks better then Black.
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>>379961218
It was already done numerous times with games like JKA, JKO, Dark Messiah, and Warframe. Warframe is even made for controllers so there is no excuse. These games have good controls because it's basically just FPS/TPS controls adapted for melee combat instead of regurgitating that usual Japanese control scheme.
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>>379961367
The light is coming from the hole in the roof that you see earlier in the video
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>our new AC game will be good!
>we're just gonna copy elements from other games!

It's really fucked up that they are "inspired" by other games. You make Your own ideas. Fucking UBI
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>>379961605
Why?
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>>379961367
That isn't a window. That's a wall. The light is coming from this doorway to the left
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>>379957996
Why they dont use the For Honor combat or somthing very similar for the new AC is beyond me
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>>379961353
Oh yeah I forgot Primal had the eagle with literal predator drone missiles
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>>379961742
Precisely my point.
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>>379961546
checked, now i see your point. that still doesnt justify that the desk has shadows, and nothin else in the room have
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>>379961946
Alrighty.
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>>379960821
>Eagle just stops
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>>379962126
well of course it just stops, that's a still image nothing is moving in it
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>>379961651
>Maybe you should leave the thinking to people who know what they are talking about.
>now

what is now?

is now when they released ninja gaiden black?
is now when they released ninja gaiden sigma?
is now when they released ninja gaiden sigma 2?

and i like how you left out ninja gaiden 3 and yaiba ninja gaiden
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>>379962245
anon pls
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>>379962245
u cheeky fuck
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wait, why does the EGYPTIAN (read semite-arab etc etc) has a nigerian nigger accent?

why does everyone look like a nigger instead of your typical olive skinned egyptian semite?
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>>379962324
I can't help it, i'm getting old
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>>379958363
I like PoP '08.

Shit was mad easy, but it had a great sense of style, and the bosses were fun.
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>>379962445
WE WUZ KINGZ AND SHIEETTT
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>>379962089
You are not worthy enough to reply to my post, so you can stop now. Thanks.
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>>379962445
Well anon that's just because WE
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>>379962445
Egypt is Ubi's closest shot at making a black AC game. Every other opportunity would be a game about you sneaking around a small bit of ~6 straw huts killing 3 of the 16 people in the village.
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I literally can't tell if he's supposed to be black or just dark Arab.
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>>379962517
PoP 08 looks beautiful to this day. Had good writing too, the exchanges between Elika and Prince were quite fun and also largely optional, since there was a trigger button specifically for them.
Platforming is good too. I don't think it's really all that easy either. People shit on it at the time because of the whole you can't die thing, it was different, but looking back all that really did was just save a needless load screen and gave you a second shot
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>>379962873
>>379962873
>>379962597
>>379962445
/pol/ racists BTFO
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>>379962778
Have you forgot about Ass Creed Liberation and Ass Creed Freedom Cry?
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>>379957119
>How come the West always takes ques from superior Japs but still fucks it up some how?
Weebs and their lies. The entire Jrpg genre was spawned because Japanese developers tried to copy more complex and older computer DnD games from the early 80's. As for Dark Souls, that series is an expansion of the older King's Field games, which, again, copied from Western Pc dungeon-crawling games, like Wizardry and Ultima Underworld.
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>>379962778
I laff'd
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>>379963071
Everyone politicized nowadays is racist as fuck, including probably you.
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>>379962319
Literally have no fucking idea of what you are implying

>and i like how you left out ninja gaiden 3 and yaiba ninja gaiden

left it out from what?

3 is completely irrelevant for any discussion because RE exists. It's not even the DMC2 of the franchise because it got fixed, so it was completely replaced. Yaiba is the DmC of the franchise, it's not canon, no one gives a shit about it.
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>>379963146
>west makes faulty foundations for combat system
>japs improves on it drastically, making it the new foundation
>west can't even build off that well
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>>379963071
What is going on is this image.
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>>379963071
WE WUZ DICKWASHERS
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>>379962445
I've seen people on /v/ say because it's a fictional video game and it doesn't matter, but I think we all know the real reason.
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>>379963403
How can white bois even compete 200BC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaX6tyq9pI
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>>379963403
Black Slaves doing circoncisions.
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>>379959976
It's wasted on online horseshit and the UI removes all depth from the game and turns it into Simon says.
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>>379960821
Ubisoft are so shit. I swear every single one of their games are exactly the same casual stupid bullshit. I long for the day when we can get more ambitious developers who could actually make use of these environments. I've never liked Assassin's Creed because of how boring these games are.
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>>379963397
How is Jrpg 'spam attack to win' better than DnD?
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>>379957119
Since when did we start calling a bunch of Frenchies Westerners?
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>>379964043
turn off the ui
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>>379963257
keep calm and wash dicks
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>>379957119
>call souls based
>complain about takedowns

but that's what ripostes and backstabs are.
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>>379963071
B-BUT W-WE
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>>379959235
Parry's are good though
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>>379964875
>Put yourself at a MASSIVE disadvantage in an online game

I'm the guy who turns off auto aim in console shooters, but you would have to be out of your fucking mind to do this in For Honor. I'm not getting immersed in this bullshit, that's not gonna do anything. It should have no UI by defaul to ensure there was any kind of skill ceiling. Why do you think reactive play was (still is) the meta? You think your average shitter has the skill to play defensively instead of spamming buttons like in every game? No, he can play defensively because the UI lowers the skill ceiling to toddler level.
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>>379965386
Parry's are fine, slowing down the game during each one looks dumb the way they've done it
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>>379965380
>we wuz kangs before whitey
>we wud be kangs if it wasn't for whitey
>whitey wouldn't be kangs without us

[DISCLAIMER: THIS IS WHAT BLACKS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.]
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>>379965380
i almost choked on my food ahaha
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>>379963071
That's just fucked up, black guys in charge of penis inspection day...
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>>379965520
>what is an opener?
Want to know how I know you're bad?
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>>379963257
so u b sayin we wuz racistz n sheit?
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>>379965520
i mostly agree
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>>379966260
No i don't want to know. Maybe try again with an actual fucking specific and to the point reply and maybe I'll give a fuck.
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>>379958434
The 4K part takes up too much memory. They don't have any left for the effects that actually make the game look good.
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>>379960821
Honestly, all of Ubisoft's properties are starting to blend together at this point.
Outside of time period and some differences in setting, they're all the same "clear outposts with broken stealth and insta-kill takedowns for 20 hours" game.
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AssCreed should have died after the first one.
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>>379961367
you got btfo hahahaha
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>>379963257
not everyone in the world has the racial problems you have America
most of us just like to be simply racist
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>Gonna casually ignore the pounds upon pounds of anti-black propaganda.

The game kind of reminds me of Horizon: Zero Dawn, which I enjoyed, so I might try this.
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>>379966667
You are bad and get beat out by ineffective turtle meta. Hope that clears it up for you.
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Can someone explain the WE KANGZ meme? Wtf dose that even mean?
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>>379967258
>anti-black propaganda
Go back to your hugbox you dumb Nigger.
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>>379967016
but thats the worst one, there were many that were actually good
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>>379968071
Some of the Afroamericans thinks that they were the rulers of Egypt. Of course the real Egyptians are angry about this.
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>>379957879
Game isn't finished. A month ago it was literally about 25% done or some shit.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>First Assassin's Creed MC was Syrian
>AC3 MC was Native American
>AC Liberation MC was Creole
>Assassins Brotherhood canonically spreads globally

Why is the main character a black guy?

Oh, /v/.
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>>379968635
yeah a lot of euro-americans also thinks they are were the overlords of science and progress
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>>379968135
>stop invading MY hug box wah wah :''(
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>>379968135
Thanks for proving the point.
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>>379968784
>First Assassin's Creed MC was Syrian

I never played Assassin's Creed. All i see from it is fucking nonsense. Does it ever delve into the actual origin of the word "Assassin"? Because that shit is ridiculously badass. It's literal vidya material
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>>379957119
They suck at simplifying reality. It's either realistic shit that looks stupid or cartoony shit that looks stupid. Nothing looks cool. Brain problems and shit taste I guess.
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>>379969591
What hugbox? Do you mean /v/? Just fuck off with your blog shit.
>>379969892
Does the word Nigger upset you? I didn't spout any "anti-black propaganda".
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>>379970569
It does not delve into the origin of the world. The story, at least from 1-3 as I stopped paying attention after that, is about a guy who can relive the lives of his ancestors who were assassins. They're trying to find technology from the aliens who created humans. At the same time, it plays around with actual history and real life figures who were assassinated or died mysteriously. Their official title, Assassins Brotherhood, wasn't given to them until 456 BC.
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>>379971801
>They're trying to find technology from the aliens who created humans
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>>379971436
>I am epic long cat nigger fried chicken lol 2006 4channer lolz
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>>379973424
Ancient alien and 2012 stuff was cool in 2008
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>>379957119
>Shoots bow
>Guides the arrow
dropped
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>>379962562
Whoops, sorry, I was out to dinner. Hi.
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>>379957119
the west is the best when it comes to first person shooter's tho
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>>379978293
Does the other side even try?
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