Are modern Mario games even hard anymore? What's the most

>>379942558

Old Mario games weren't that hard

>>379942558
Mario games were hard at one point?

>>379942558
The Mario Galaxy games are hard in the fact that they'd so terrible with terrible controls that you never want to play them, let alone finish them.

The only old Mario game that was hard was Lost Levels, and that was for the wrong reasons.

>>379942643

The Lost Levels would like a word

Also, the only hardest one at least I suppose was the last level of the secret world in Super Mario Galaxy 2, and only because of 4 hammer bros that will clip your ass before you can reach the last star.

>>379942558
>even hard anymore
When was there ever a hard Mario game
Bullshit levels like half of Sunshine don't count

>>379942558
Those Mario Galaxy 2 extra levels with one HP.

>>379942820
Lost levels was "hard" for the same reason Super Meat Boy was "hard" in other words it's not hard but requires forethought.

>>379942558
Last hard one was Sunshine

All the modern Mario games have extra challenges that are actually very challenging.

>>379942746
I completed galaxy 1 with mouse and keys, the game felt perfect, even collecting the crystals with the mouse curser

>>379943637
>playing on an emulator
>playing as intended
Pick one. Half of the "challenge" of the Galaxy games comes from the fact that the motion controls are terrible.

>>379942558
Old Marios were easy as shit too. It was never a hard series.

>>379942820
>The Lost Levels would like a word
Exception to the rule.

>>379942558
Super Mario world with its piss easy baby difficulty killed any chance of difficulty in later Mario games.