>Have to plan all my moves carefully >Can't drop

winquitting a faggot Ken player that wants to rematch me after I bodied him is the best feeling though

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Capcom pro tour stream forgot to turn off announcements / invitations, kek.

Ken is fucking trash. Learn to play.

>>379780819
Tatsus are punishible.

>>379781029
I quit all my rematches. Is this like, bad fighting game etiquette? I do it because I'm usually doing other shit at the time that I need to shift my attention to.

Sometimes I rematch mirror matches to learn more about my character though. Especially since I'm awful with Juri and nobody plays her.

>>379781536
What's the window for them? 4 frames? How am I supposed to punish that with anything significant?

>>379781828
learn your jab combos, not like it's even hard to do in this game, if you noticeed the new trials everyone has a jab punch and low kick into a special move.

>>379781828
Ligh tatsu can be punished by a heavy.
Medium tatsu can be punished by a heavy/medium
Heavy tatsu can be punished by a jab > jab xx special.

>>379781642
It really kinda is bad etiquette to deny the rematch if you win.

>>379781642
>I quit all my rematches. Is this like, bad fighting game etiquette?

Not really, if they give you the choice then don't rematch if you don't feel like it. I generally do it except if the guy plays like a fucking degenerate (like the fags jumping back all day after they hit you twice, trying to avoid contact at all cost... just don't play if you don't want to fight, retards)

>>379781642
Quitting is the sign of a shitter that's scared of the runback especially if it's 1:1
The only time it's acceptable is against a Mika or Laura

>>379782332
>The only time it's acceptable is against a Mika or Laura

oooh poor baby is afraid to fight Laura :(((

I only deny the runback if their connection starts going to shit in the previous match. As soon as that faggot starts teleporting around it's over.

>>379780819
What the fuck? Are you playing Ryu or something because every other character should at least be able to contest most of what Ken does. If you're playing Ryu, just fucking stop. Pick someone else. He's the worst character in the game.

>>379780819
how much you want to bet this dude plays Alex

>>379782208
Running away from those "degenerates" is pretty pathetic
You should almost always rematch because you are practically guaranteed to be able to learn something from the fight

>>379780819
I don't even get any of these complaints. Only EX shoryuken is invincible anymore, if you get hit by the wakeup heavy shoryukens you're mistiming your meaties. If Ken does a heavy tatsu from neutral, he's gifting you free frame advantage, or if he's too close a free punish as he crosses you up with a long ass recovery. You really have no business getting hit by it. Chillax some more.

What's retarded is his corner mixups, with the throw loops and the overhead that combos into crazy damage. But he really is not a neutral monster by a long shot, and definitely not a "press random buttons" character.

>>379782813
Heavy DP is strike invincible during frames 3-6. You can definitely bulldog with it.

>>379782586
I rematch everyone but any retard can tell you that Laura is a nonsense 50/50 character

>>379782940
But frame 1 is all that matters on wakeup? If you're not able to place a hitbox on your opponent within three frames of waking up then my jab is going to beat you too. Same thing with blockstrings that are not airtight.

It's pretty much common sense to never give rematches to Mika, Laura, or Ibuki players. I also tend to winquit if I actually manage to dick all over a Balrog.

>>379782718
Any Alec can just eat bad Kens alive by punishing blocked tatsus with powerbomb and easily destroying blocked dp with his crush counter combos

>>379782813
>implying the silver surfers on v can consistently pressure wake up on frame 1 or 2

Bait, you fucking scrub

>>379783331
>Any Alec can just eat bad Kens alive by punishing blocked tatsus with powerbomb and easily destroying blocked dp with his crush counter combos
That doesn't mean anything
Alex and Zangief players literally never stop fucking complaining. Gief players still think their character is low tier.

>>379783275
>Ken can spam heavy shoryus during any punish window
>example: char with 4f jab that is +1 on block presses jab twice in a row but due to iframes on heavy DP frame 3, the DP beats out the jab and any slower normal
Close your mouth and breathe through your nose, please.

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>>379782332
What the fuck is runback? Why are people entitled to play me again if I don't want to play anymore or want a break?

Also when I was playing one time I repeatedly ducked to throw off my opponent, and I got hatemail threatening to report me for "teabagging". The fuck is wrong with fighting game players?

>>379782792
>learning something
>when you're the only one actually playing
yeah sure

>>379783005
Laura has plenty of unsafe stuff. Just go to practice mode once in your life instead of expecting every character to play like Ryu.

>>379783572
block nigga

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>>379782682
I've been playing Ryu since 1991 and I'm not going to stop now

>>379783506
>Gief players still think their character is low tier.
I swear it's some next level psy-op shit
They saw that bitching constantly got Gief into an easy top 8 and figure they can just keep pushing for more

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>>379783685
>block
>get grabbed

WoooooooooooooooooooooooooWWW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW??!!?

>>379783685
Tell this to the retards that got meterless invincible DPs nerfed into nothing.
>>379783849
So have I but learn to let go. He's so bad this game that you cannot possibly get anything but frustration from playing him. I know your pain but I also know the joy of playing a better, more fun character. At least until they actually buff him instead of just the little head pats they gave him.

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>>379783617
empathy is a requirement for fighting games
Let's say you play a dipshit Ken who randoms you out to get a win. You're mad as fuck, you want to show him that he got lucky, so you challenge him to a rematch. The idea is that if you've ever wanted to beat that scrubby Ken player in a second game, then you should also give your opponents that chance. That being said, if you legitimately quit after that match then there's no issue there.
>repeatedly ducked to throw off my opponent, and I got hatemail threatening to report me for "teabagging"
some people are just retarded

>>379783617
>Why are people entitled to play me again if I don't want to play anymore or want a break?
Who the fuck are you?
If you lost to some mongoloid spamming the same dumb strategies and you know you could beat him in a 2/3, but this kid decides you aren't "entitled" to play him you'd be rightly pissed, especially if you lost points over it.
I'm not saying your shit or anything, but not letting your opponent run the set back is like saying your a scared little bitch relying on gimmicks to win, regardless of whether you are or not.
Also running the set back would take 10 minutes if all three rounds of both games went to time out, dude, unless your a CEO then just play the fucking game.

>>379783658
Just off the top of my head using your very example you can learn to punish passive runaway play. It might seem simply a nuisance given the full round to chase them down but how will it feel when you're having an even match for a minute and a half and then your opponent starts backing off hard with a small life lead and 6 seconds on the timer
Punishing shitty play is an essential part of fighting game and if you're consistently seeing it then you're in a level of play where it continues to be effective

>>379783572
Well your example in particular sucks because for one each character who has a 4 frame move at the fastest also has it be +2 minimum, nevermind the fact that most (...all?) jabs chain into each other in V and as such can be made a true blockstring.

But yes, if your fastest attack is 4 frames and your opponent's fastest attack is 3 frames, +1 does hardly constitutes frame advantage. That still has nothing to do with Ken's DP. I'd gladly fight someone who feels the need to do a DP to beat out my jab when he could just as well trade without any risk because that player seems like a free victory

>>379783617
I never said a word about anyone else being entitled to anything
I said you're a shitter for running away from the rematch. You're not under any obligation to ready up but you're not the cool guy you think you are for refusing

>>379784903
Ken's fierce DP is 4f, retard. You really have no clue what you're talking about. And despite my poor example, this applies to many "blockstrings" in this game. Quotes due to the only true blockstrings being chained lights with everything else being a fucking frametrap.
>beat out my jab
It's not just to beat your jab. It's to deal great damage and completely shift the momentum since Ken gets oki off of his fierce DP.

>>379785335
>It's to deal great damage and completely shift the momentum since Ken gets oki off of his fierce DP
*blocks*

>>379785569
>armchair hypotheticals
*throws you*

>>379782682
Ryu is perfectly fine

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>>379785686
>going from dp to throw

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>>379785249
>I said you're a shitter for running away from the rematch. You're not under any obligation to ready up but you're not the cool guy you think you are for refusing

"[whinge, moan, bitch, complain]"

Go buy yourself another ego, surely you can afford it.

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JUST PICK A TOP TIER
https://youtu.be/sGh4ZU4H5Hk

>>379785686
>delayed techs

>>379785728
>no damage
>no range
>shit fireballs in a game where every character has a way to beat out fireballs
>no oki
>no pressure
>CC button that whiffs on crouchers
He doesn't even have a normal that's +3 on block and even his CA does less than average damage.
He's the worst character in the game. I feel bad for them when I play them because I can smell their desperation and frustration.
>>379785864
You're the one that wanted to play this game.
>>379785978
*shimmies*

>>379785872
Do you think I'm complaining about you personally not readying? I doubt we've ever even played

>>379785335
I honestly don't get what you're on about. Almost every character (and again it might really just be every character but at least I know it for all that I play) can also get oki out of interrupting with counterhit jab > medium xx special of your chosing. Which, assuming a 3 frame jab, has the same amount of non-invincible startup that a heavy dp has. It can not get you out of pressure any more than jabs can. Not on paper, and not in practice either from my games against Ken players. Frankly if people were mashing it out on me I couldn't even tell you because it would not look any different from mashing any other button.

Here's what happening - you're playing against shitters who mindlessly mash DP thinking it's got invincible startup, but you're repeatedly mistiming your attacks so you get hit and think it's some magic weapon. You'd get hit by jabs all the same tho.

>>379786129
>*shimmies*
*presses delayed jab*

>>379784394
lmao dude its just a game

>>379786129
This is the biggest bundle of misinformation I've seen in a while. Ryu was a bit weak at the start but he's fine now

Well lots of people yukking it up here.
Anyone want to play? cfn id: dokikido

>>379780819
Who are you fucking playing Alex?

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>>379786137
Doubt away, it means nothing,

>>379786149
There are actually very few characters that get oki off their damage ender. I know for a fact Ryu doesn't get oki after his fierce DP and neither does Akuma.
>>379786228
*crush counters you*
>>379786314
You're like the faggots saying Alex was fine after the Season 2 nerfs. No. Alex is fine now but he wasn't then but Ryu still isn't fine. He got his stand short back but his back roundhouse is still -2, he still has no throw oki even in the corner, and his fierce DP is literally useless. It's not even worth doing forward tatsu to end a combo anymore unless a roundhouse one would put you in the corner since even it got its damage nerfed too.

>>379786228
>*presses delayed jab*
*does delayed dp*

>>379786736
*shows up to your house and kills you*

>>379786792
*yoga teleports behind u*

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>>379786736
>*does delayed dp*
M-Momochi?!

>>379786687
>There are actually very few characters that get oki off their damage ender.

Which is why tatsu should be your go-to option. I want to say most if not all characters *have* an option to get a knockdown and be close

>>379787068
Pretty much the only way to get oki with Ryu and it's pretty much a one and done unless you manage to land a low fierce into another tatsu.

>>379786878
n-nani??!!??

>>379786315
what rank are you?

>>379787502
omai wa mo shindeiru
*buddha's u*

>>379785878
LI Joe with hair.
Cool.

What do I do against Chun as Ed? She just sits there and presses buttons in my face non stop and I dont feel i have a solid way to deal with it

>>379781642
Me too, but its usually because
>play Gief
>first match. opponent is cocky
>i can beat them
>second match
>they start playing keep away
>no longer becomes fun as the entire game now becomes me block projectiles while walking periodically while they jump away
Eventually, I just start winning the first match and then stop quitting the rematch. Win or lose, it just becomes boring to play that way because Gief doesn't have enough tools to counter it

>>379787669
supr gold

>>379788381
>there are gold players on /v/

wew

>>379788016
If you cant play patient then don't play Gief

>>379788016
>Playing Gief
>Surprised when someone wants to run away from the giant armored muscleman who piledrives bears for sport
Is it honestly surprising when he is so dominant up close?

>>379788016
You gotta be kidding.
First, this is how SFV Gief is meant to be played so get used to it or pick a different character that can do what you want to do.
Second, how the fuck does Gief not have tools to counter projectiles?
>headbutt
>lariat
>v-skill
>v-trigger
>charged fierce
>EX RBG
You have the tools. You need to learn how to use them.

>>379788016
I know, I play Dhalsim and people keep trying to get in close. What the fuck man that's no fun, why don't they let me shoot fireballs and limbs at them from a distance? Fucking boring scrubs.

>>379786687
Ryu is seriously great. You can just spam his MP MP Hadouken for free chip damage or go into his command combo on hit-confirm, which can link into his super with V-trigger.The best part is if either gets blocked, you're still able to react afterwards. And with a great crossover and a jab anti-air, he's pretty great.

>>379788589
None of this gets me any closer to the guy, and some of it leaves me at a huge disadvantage.

>>379788669
Dhalsim has tools to put him at an optimal range. Gief doesn't.

>>379788525
I hope thats a compliment

>>379788675
>for free chip damage
Oh wow 10 dmg.
>or go into his command combo on hit-confirm
With the last hit whiffing on crouchers.
>great jab anti-air
lel
Too bad that confirming into V-Trigger and CA consumes 100% of your resources for how little it does.
>>379788828
All of that combined with walking him down and Gief's retarded low jab is enough to put the fear of god into players. If you let them out of the corner or the blender then it's your fault. Go watch some Itazan.

>>379782813
>If Ken does a heavy tatsu from neutral, he's gifting you free frame advantage
I play Karin
What does this actually mean. As in, what should I do when Ken does a fullscreen tatsu
>>379781324
kek

When's Sagat so we can get a real projectile character? Or is he dead in this game?

>>379788828
Headbutt and V-Skill both boost up your meter for V-Trigger, which pulls them to you

If you have good timing you are basically forcing them to try and actually come in on you because staying away only gives you more power

It's not really tools to put you in optimal range(Except V Trigger) so much as them intensifying how much danger they are in the next time you get in on them, which you can force with V Trigger

>>379784037
What did I say, fucking lmao
Right here in this very thread
>>379788828
>>379788016

Gief players are delusional

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>>379788525
>>379788525

how do i get a gamecube controller to work on a ps4/xbox one?
ive been playing street fighter v on the pc and I use a gamecube controller cause thats the only controller I can use, I want to go to tournament but I don't know how to make it work.

>>379789227
Seriously, bruh. That's like saying we should all be all-stars because Lebron is an all stars. It fucking irks me whenever people who don't main Giefs spout the same excuse for Capcom "b-but look at top 8." NO. He is a shit character whose very presence in battle is an uphill battle.

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>>379788525
>Not sitting in battle lounges with platinum players while you're still silver and learning from them and demolishing silvers in casual match

>>379789121
dokikido? How about a friendly match?

>>379789270
What he is saying is that heavy tatsu is punishable

If you sit in training mode for a few minutes and block the heavy tatsu you can see the kind of stuff you can punish him with.

It's quite a lot

>>379789458
sure. hit me up on cfn

>>379789448
I feel like if I play anyone two tiers or more above me I'll get perfected. Which will bring great shame to my family.

>>379789545
I've already sent you an invite

>>379789353
The range on his v-trigger is shit.

>Play Ra-Shi-Do
>Press buttons and win
>ex.SPIN through opponent's bullshit
>everyone hates me but that's everything this character can do

>>379789270
Jab. The worst he can do to you is spend meter to plow through with EX DP.
>>379789445
I played Gief in Season 1 when he was actually bad. Shut the fuck up. He's great now. Learn to use him. I told you to watch Itazan because he's the best and knows the most. He's the best example of a Gief player right now. Alternatives are SnakeEyez and Stupendous. If you want examples closer to your skill level then look them up on CFN and watch some of their replays.

>>379780819
I assume you're silver or lower, because you really have to be shit at this game to have problems with 2.x ken.

>Play Juri
>Manage to get a DP based punish
>Do 10% damage

>Play Ken
>Manage to get a DP based punish
>Do 35% damage

Why is this allowed?

>>379789776
because Ken DP is extremely punishable

>>379789776
Because Ken doesn't have qcf kick moves that you can charge up and link into each other

>>379789625
how do I accept? I must have missed the notification

>>379788016
>Friend purposely whiffs EX air SPD because it makes him fall faster and most people never see it coming and then he immediately goes into ground SPD
You either play patiently or play like a madman
>>379789595
It starts out that way but you're better for it, people play very differently after gold so it's good to know what a lot of the set play looks like before you get dropped on your arse without a clue.

>>379789710
I did learn to use him, dipshit. This entire thing stems form me saying I don't rematch against guys like Guile or Nash.

>>379789871
look in the notifications, top left i think

>>379789653
>Thinking its range is bad
Nigga have you even seen most normals in the game? Everyone has stubby buttons and nobody is going to keep your ass out for very long unless his name is Guile

You have no excuse.

>>379789705
He has tech but he never gets to use any of it

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>>379790050
I had some pre-patch nobounce spike setups. I don't know if they're any good anymore.

>>379784261
Leaving if it's 0-1 is perfectly acceptable, you concede defeat and don't want to lose anymore points

Leaving if it's 1-0 is a dick move, since a lot of players will use Match 1 to download information and then dominate in Match 2 and 3

Leaving when it's 2-2 is acceptable but kinda scummy, especially if your opponent was the one to tie it up

>>379789932
You obviously didn't if you don't understand how to use any of those tools properly. Nash seriously should not be a problem if you get him to the corner. Guile has always been awful for Gief until you can knock him down and go for cross-up shenanigans.

who's the best character for someone new?
I've been playing as Nash, but he seems like he sucks.

I play Lars in Tekken, and was looking for a character with good flow.

>>379780819

If you know all this shit about this Ken player, why were you still getting hit?

>>379789980
ggs. close games

>>379789705
>>379790050

Rashid is ... something. It's like they made the character shit so they could give him the most retarded anime bullshit vtrigger

>>379790360
IN a match with two equal opponent, thats a pretty big IF.

>>379790360
>>379790360
are you autistic?
name one fucking time he said he had trouble
holy shit just end the conversation dude
forfeit
you are wrong.

>>379788016
>durr I want to play gief but I don't actually want to play gief hurr
Shut up faggot and just play Alex then
just kidding Alex is just a garbage gief, Birdie is where its at

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>>379780819
I only really just started playing a little while ago but I'm so glad it's not just me. Fuck Ken, especially the ones who just spam heavy tatsus. Shit is braindead as fuck.

>>379789871
You wrecked me. Any tips for the match up? I hate Bisons.

>>379790635
EX dp when Bipson does his frame traps always gets me. Other than that I'm not sure Ive been doing better against cammys lately

>>379790604
Can confirm Karin's is accurate

>>379790554
>pretty big IF
More like when. Unless you're a retard, you're basically guaranteed to get this opportunity once a round minimum.
>>379790558
If he's bitching about them running away and zoning him out then he's obviously having trouble with something. Fuck yourself.

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>>379790604
>still doesn't realize that j.mp counters his entire character
fuck you

>>379790836
There's a different between having trouble with it, and not wanting to put in the effort to get them into the optimal spot.

>>379790604
Rog main, can confirm I've never blocked a single overhead on reaction in my life

>>379790765
thanks again

>>379791056
No, that's just the reason he's having trouble. And it's not hard to get them in the optimal position since the corner is an inevitability and non-jab SPDs put them in the blender for you.

>>379791753
You and I must have way different experiences then, because by the time I get someone into the corner, they usually have enough bars to push me back, or ex super through my attacks. The only way would be to jab them in the corner the whole time, and that's why I don't do rematches against those characters.

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>>379790604
Not ashamed yet.

>>379787989
Funny, because I'm a Chun main and it feels like I have no answer against Ed. The fuck do I do against that fucker?

>>379790604
what if I mained Laura since S1 and I am horrible with mika

>>379792221
Yeah, it seems your experience is just being bad. Dhalsim is really the only character you should have trouble getting close to. Gief has the ability to walk down, punish, and mixup every other character reliably. It's why he's good. If you don't like the wall walk-down style then there's 4 other characters for you to choose from that play differently but all have command grabs that are a prominent part of their playstyle.

>>379790604
As an Akuma main, I'm all of the above

Okay so I main Rashid. I basically win all of my games because I make my opponents block button xx lp spinning mixer, then mash LK as hard as I can and I always come out on top. Despite being at -2. I don't know if it's matchup unfamiliarity, if the move is too fast for people to react, if it's the lag, but even in the diamond league and when playing offline people let me get away with it. And thanks to that I can basically pressure indefinitely. You just have to do some throws, overheads and heavy xx ex tornado now and then to not make it terribly obvious you're only winning because of a bullshit flowchart that is not supposed to work.

Can someone please tell my why that is? Why is nobody pressing buttons in time after that?

>>379793034
1v1 me, fucker. I've had enough of your shit.

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>>379790604
>This Dictator disrespect

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>start getting good with one character
>moving up ranks since I'm memorizing their buttons and matchups
>start getting bored of seeing the same animations and hearing the same sounds every match
>pick up a new character and play against the CPU a bit
>Game is fun again
>Play online
>Get absolutely shitstomped
>Start at the bottom from bronze until I start getting good again

Anyone else know this feel? I feel like I'll be bronze forever.

>>379793486
>chimps out when told about the business
Fine. CFN: Gimfigle
And I will preface this with the fact that I never said I was good. Friend me and I'll be on after I piss.

>>379790604
>tfw Chun main
>tfw don't own all of her alternate costumes but have every intention of eventually buying them all
I doubt I'd only ever use one, though. Maybe the Red Bull one.

>>379780819
Nah Ken is fine. Dhalsim on the other hand is a fucking problem. Watch me jump back and run down the clock by hovering on the other side of the screen and I hope you don't jump on him while he's on the ground because even if he whiffs his strongest buttons he'll still recover fast enough to jab you out of the air before you're able to hit him. Faggot character for people who don't want to learn a ground game.

Then there's Ryu who stuffs crossups with crouch jab, can parry mid pressure, has retard strength, baby confirms and a m.p that anti airs and stuffs approach while also being a baby confirm into stupid damage. On top of now having his reversal back so you have to respect his wakeup.

The characters who are bullshit online are Bison, Laura and Urien. Bison and Urien because if they have a McDonalds wifi connection they can get fraudulent frame traps off a bunch of their shit namely Bison's st h.k and Urien's fwd m.p while also having moves that are extremely hard to react to e.g ex.headbutt. Laura is just so retard basic and effective that if you don't know the matchup while on a stable connection you're fucked. Simply because of how set play heavy she is and she going to do whatever she wants mid screen until you die.

Balrog is cheap but iv'e never had a problem beating him. Guile is just annoying because of how long you have to block against his bullshit.

>>379793948
>has retard strength
lol
>On top of now having his reversal back so you have to respect his wakeup
LOL

>>379793812
>Not using the business woman one and finishing every match with your CA so you can full screen flash your nylon covered panties at your opponent as they lose

Come on son

>>379794061
I should like the business woman one more but honestly, the Red Bull and swimsuit alts get my dick harder. Her ass is so ridiculously fat in the B-Girl costume.

>>379793330
I beg you to explain this to me

>>379792874
Press buttons in his face all day apparently
all her pokes seem to have better startup and she can play at a better range

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>>379793486
Well, I'm waiting.

>>379794536
That's because, as Ed, you shouldn't try to out poke her or play at her range. You need to go in where your normals shine and you can go for frame traps and what not.
His v skill is pretty good for this, but can be baited.

>>379793810
>>379794663
Fucking sent already

Is it possible to play chun without using spinning bird kick? I can charge back but charging down just has me jumping like a retard 80% of the time.

>>379794028

Shit i didn't know that Ryu now does fang tier damage and what you try to meaty all day is that your hot game plan queer.

>>379793330
-2 is negative, but isn't punishable. Essentially, you can do it, but unless you have a EX bar or your opponent is smart, you should be blocking afterwards.
The EX bar is the threat. As an opponent, you want to keep the mixups as few as possible, so people just end up blocking so they don't have to deal with EX.spinner or buttons.

>>379794771
Just about. His tatsus and DP got nerfed.
>that shit at the end
You need to calm down, mister.

>>379794752
You can go for lightning legs instead of SBK to end combos. It's less damage and you don't get a knockdown (unless you use EX).
Still, better to go for what's safe and you know you can do, while practicing your charges whenever you can.

>>379794732
Don't see shit. Gimme yours.

>>379794536
Thanks senpai

>>379794752
Not really, no. SBK is like one of her most important tools. It does so much damage and stun. I mean, I guess you could do it, but you'd probably be handicapping yourself. Only way to get that sort of damage otherwise is to use EX legs as a finisher, but you can get that with SBK without using any meter.

As someone who struggled with her cr. lp, st. mp, cr. mk xx m. SBK combo for the longest time and is starting to get it more and more online, but can do it more or less consistently in training, you need to charge sooner, assuming you're trying to do the combo. Hit 'down' IMMEDIATELY after pressing mp, make sure you hold that shit, then remember to cancel the cr. mk at the end.

If you're having trouble charging just in general, yeah, just hold the charge for longer. Remember that cr. mk into m. SBK is a fantastic punish as well and is very easy to combo into.

>>379793330
Because of the hitbox moving around and in part due to lag its not actually -2 so even if they mash they can fail to come out on top also some people will delay out of fear of the ex tornado follow up

>>379794798
Well, so far goes the theory, but what happens is, I mash the LK, now either they block and I have frame advantage and am free to do whatever I want again (after lk, say, mp, cr.mk xx mixer and the process repeats until I conditioned my opponent enough to go for throws / delayed attacks with no real risk) or sometimes I even get a counterhit on the lk straight away and can combo into mp xx medium mixer for example. It doesn't just work *once*, it's like people just are unable to escape it. I'm winning entire sets doing this bullshit over and over, and even telling my opponent they should mash buttons after the blocked mixer, they just seem unable to do it. I have no problem mashing in time myself in the mirror match but I can tell my opponent *assumes* I would have because apparently that's just what Rashid players DO because everyone gets blown up by it.

>>379794982
I'm still mad, I played a Ryu yesterday who completely pushed my shit in parried all my stuff when I tried to go in and overall shut down any offense i tried to get started. Especially mad about him crouch jabbing a crossup. In hindsight I should have tried baiting his parries more but I don't feel that was the sole decider of the match and more I was completely outclassed as a player. Which is annoying because i'm reaching the upper limit of what I can do with my character. Also what I meant by respecting his wakeup is that I have to commit to a bait or back off because I don't feel that a meaty is worth the risk.

>>379794720
Yeah ill be sure to just get in on Chun, I forgot how easy that was

>>379780819
Ken doesnt have invincible DPs outside of ex DPs which cost meter.

You can easily anti air his heavy tatsus.

Ken is low/mid tier in this game. Learn to deal with him.

>>379795704
>Which is annoying because i'm reaching the upper limit of what I can do with my character.

pfff

I'm looking for another set before I poop and go to sleep.
CFN: dokikido
hit me up if ya want

>>379795704
He had you read if he was making such effective use of his parry because that shit is risky since it can be CC during its entire recovery. There's nothing worse than trying to parry a jump-in just to have them land and CC.
The only thing he can do against meaties is either an EX DP or block and v-reversal and both take resources. SFV is a game where you have to take that risk since the reward is massive.
I don't know what to say about the low jab but I do the same to certain characters but with low strong. It works on mistimed empty jumps or late crossup attacks somewhat consistently. It was probably a fluke, though.

>>379795759
No one said it was easy.

>>379796305
region?

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>>379795704
>Which is annoying because i'm reaching the upper limit of what I can do with my character

>>379796548
US

>>379793330
I challenge blocked lp spinner with jab everytime unless my opponent shows me he's a retard and will waste a bar to mash ex spinner.

>>379796305
As of the time of this post I have not been invited. Still free for a set.

>>379796848
do you play ranked? If so, what's your rank? just curious

>>379796894
Yuropoor here so I don't want to subject you or me to a lagfest

>>379797182
Well, you can give it a shot. I've played with plenty of yuros before.

>>379797182
actually, already got an invite. see ya next time

To that Nash I just played: ggs
That connection was horrible but since I won I wont complain

GG dude.

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>>379785872
Dumb anime poster misses the point, who could have possibly foreseen.

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>tfw you've slowly been gitting gud with one of the only honest characters in game with no reliable punishes
>tfw you put up with weeks of mashing and shit as silly as wake up SHP
>tfw people who used to be fine taking 1-2 games from you wont even give you the runback now
>tfw when people would rather take the RQ punishment than give you points because you have perfect spacing, reads, zoning
>tfw you know capcom will be forced to buff your main next season because she's viable but too esoteric for tier whores and 016er's to take time to learn

FEELS FUCKING GOOD

>>379798828
>Kolin
>honest
You have no clue what that word means.

>>379787686
LI Joe might be one of the few guys who actually look better bald than with hair.

>we will never hear Joe's Japan story

>>379799105
>You have no clue what that word means.

Nice argument? How is she not honest relative to the rest of the cast? No v trigger shenanigans, requires hard reads and real confirms, has no DP or mashable buttons.

>>379798828
Should I buy Kolin? I've got 300k in the bank and I don't know what to spend it on.

>>379799105
I wouldn't call her dishonest her matchup is just extremely awkward.

>>379799368
Not him, but she can wake up with V-Skill.

>>379799467
>Not him, but she can wake up with V-Skill.

No she can't. Her v skill is slow as fuck. I think you mean she can OTG people?

>>379799383
She's a huge time investment. She's not a character that translates easily from any other character because of her lack of buttons. She's high risk high reward.

>>379798828
Rank?

>>379799728
Does she have fast movement speed/dash at least? I can't play characters like Dhalsim or Fang because of their weird movement.

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>Vol. 2 trials
>have every other character done but Karin
Seriously fuck this shit.

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>>379798828
Only real honest character in the game is Birdie.

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>>379800047
>my face when finally beating Chun-Li's trial #8

>>379800047
Clean up your inputs boyo.

>>379799728
How many of your wins are just people getting bodied by random counters?

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>>379799201
One of my proudest photos last EVO. Disappointed I'm not going this year.

>>379800047
Legit gave up on doing the trials because of karin

why even ask me to do EX Orochi EX Tenko EX Orochi who even does that combo I don't have a stick this shit isn't made for sticks

>>379800301
Why not?

>>379800261
It's the timing my man. Her's have always been the most frustrating.

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>>379800394
A combination of my sisters wedding this upcoming week and the fact that the entire thing is at Mandalay this year. Next year for sure, finances are just a bit much.

>>379800352
made for pads I mean

>>379800352
I did it on pad. Just keep at it, remember that you can go to down immediately after qcf before you even dash, so don't let that hang you up mentally. You can also use the 3P/K buttons for Ex if it's easier.

>>379800419
The only issue I had with her trials is that inputs wouldn't register if you do them too quickly.

>>379800352
I swear she's the only shit I have left. It's literally trial 7,9, and 10. It's frustrating even if I know the trick.

>>379790604
Holy fuck taht Rashid cuts deep. I mean, I play to win, but otherwise that's fucking correct

>>379790604
>tfw Rog main
I can block... occasionally. I'd rather just mash 3f TC into V-Trigger and rob the round, though.
>Implying neutral exists in SFV
I didn't get to diamond by playing honest, anon.

>>379800180
>Only real honest character in the game is Birdie.

Even IF that was true it would only be by virtue of the fact that his dishonest play is slow as fuck.

>>379799949
Right now I'm fluctuating heavily between super silver and super gold. I'm an ultra gold S1 Laura that took about a year long break after Evo last year. Just started up again with a new account a few weeks ago. Still not very good.

>>379799985
>Does she have fast movement speed/dash at least?

It's not the fastest. You can't really walk backwards out of grabs as easily as many other characters.

How the hell do you get the timing down on charge characters and their combos?

>>379801450
You buffer.

>>379801450
Just keep playing them. After a while you'll start charging automatically after every action and it'll become second nature.

>>379800264
Kolin isn't very good for CC fishing/bait imo. She's not really a character you want to go random with. Regular counters are where the money is at with her and it's not very good money. The vast majority of my wins are just from outplaying people with footsies, zoning (air control), spacing and relentless pressure. It can be pretty frustrating because I can put in 75% more work than any other middle or low tier character and still lose. People complain about laura/balrog/ibuki but to me almost every character is a robbery character just because they almost all have some combo finisher they can easily chain from mashing out of my traps.

tfw HEAVEN AND EARTH TREMBLE

>>379790604
FANG players are prone to playing exceptionally crazy in the second match if they've lost the first one.

Akuma player here. As edgy as we may be, we are out-edgy'd by Bison mains regularly.

>>379790604
This reads like it was written by a silver.

>>379799368
>safe parry
>invincible wake-up escape
>nearly constant pressure
>mix-ups into mix-ups
>broken jump roundhouse
Her V-Trigger in general is a shenanigan, her confirms are easier than Ryu's, and one of her moves is literally mashing and her jab is insanely mashable. She's just another blonde cunt that can mash buttons and do gay shit all day.

>>379801986
That's because 80% of the playerbase is stuck at silver, anon.

>Friend plays nothing but SFV for months
>Get him to try getting into Guilty Gear
>He can't wrap his head around the idea that playing perfectly safe and turtling doesn't get you far and you have to take calculated risks
>Complains incessantly that there are too many options

Why do SF players hate fun

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>>379802006
>safe parry
>invincible wakeup

>tfw i got memed by bison st mk
Felt so bad losing that more for the fact that I didn't learn to punish it within the match.

>>379802273
As someone who specialized in SF and Marvel I have to admit, getting into GG is really hard. It looks like my kind of game, but the amount of stuff you can do and have to account for is insane. In a good way, of course, but it's so much more effort than SF and Marvel. I want to learn Slayer, do you suggest someone else?

>>379802006
>one of her moves is literally mashing and her jab is insanely mashable

It's not even safe and does close to 0 damage.

>her confirms are easier than Ryu's

Ryu may be shit but he has literally the easiest confirms in game. He's designed that way on purpose.

>She's just another blonde cunt that can mash buttons and do gay shit all day.

Why didn't you just save us time and admit you know nothing about the game?

>>379802498
Slayer won't feel too crazy compared to most of the cast but he's also bottom tier, but not only does this not matter at all unless you're attending Japanese tournaments, GG's tiers are so close together that Slayers still frequently show up high up the bracket in big tournaments

So go for it, learn whoever seems cool to you, he's not as basic as Ky or Sol and not as braindead as Sin or Jack-O but he's not crazy either like some of the ridiculous setup characters

And in my opinion the thing with GG is that it only looks intimidating but once you actually get into it, it's really not that bad at all, it just feels like if you took SF and sped it up and added a couple layers of complexity, but without becoming a complete clusterfuck like BB or MvC

>Playing SFV still when injustice 2 and Tekken 7 are now out
Do you hate yourself anons?

>>379803053
literally nobody gives any actual fucks about injustice besides the "wow I LOVE comic books!!!" normie crowd that watch superhero movies

>>379803194
>Nobody gives a fuck about injustice
>All ready biggest prize pool at combo breaker
Ok anon

>>379802815
>And in my opinion the thing with GG is that it only looks intimidating but once you actually get into it, it's really not that bad at all, it just feels like if you took SF and sped it up and added a couple layers of complexity, but without becoming a complete clusterfuck like BB or MvC
That's what I'm hoping. When I first picked Marvel I was worried because it looked very intimidating compared to SF, but after a few matches it's very easy to get into it. I'll get some more practice in GG.

>>379803297
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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>>379803053
Injustice 2 is trash.

>>379803441
Why?

>>379802648
>low jab into stand jab if it hits keep going
Literally easier than Ryu since at least he has to use a medium.
>Why didn't you just save us time and admit you know nothing about the game?
Rich coming from a scrub.
Cammy gets in your face and mashes with the occasional gimmick.
Karin gets in your face and mashes with the occasional gimmick.
Mika gets in your face and memes harder than an oldfag on /r9k/.
Kolin gets in your face and mashes with a lot of gimmicks, mainly parry.
If only Laura was blonde then every shithead masher female in the game would be blonde.

>>379803441
>>379803390
Explain why it's shit? It has a lot more tech then SFV

>>379803671
>kolin gets in your face and then mashes with a move that relies on the opponent mashing jab and is crush counterable when they do nothing and she also has to guess if they are using a low or a mid because her parry is fucking trash

>>379803473
It's the same 50/50 nonsense and absolutely cancerous zoning game as every other NRS game. And it doesn't have the movement options and burst options that make GG's 50/50 wakeup game somewhat bearable. It's exactly as bad as SFV, but more popular.

>>379803053
Both are much shittier games.
Injustice is already dead and Tekken is in the process of dying.

>>379803826
V-Skill, you stupid nigger.

>>379803883
>It's the same 50/50
Are you trying to say SFV isn't 50/50 central?

>>379803923
>-7 on block
>mashing
Have you tried blocking?

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>>379803923
ok v-skill is -7 on block so you get a free fierce combo when you block it
are you retarded? did some kolin beat you by doing nothing but her v-skill over and over and you assumed it was safe?

>>379780819
>loved ken up to alpha
>tfw despise ken ever since 3s

fuck ken.

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>>379803883
>it doesn't have the movement options
what are Meter burn rolls air escapes and clashes or shit like cyborg grappling hook Supermans air dash batmans glide Blue beetles wings

>>379804023
Oh boy! I'll just let the Kolin keep mashing.
>having to guess whether she's going to use a normal or parry is honest
Fucking lol

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>>379780819
>play against ken players
>all they ever do is heavy shoryu and tatsu all over the stage
>mfw i just win by spamming L-jabs

>>379804179
life in bronze league sure is hard huh

>>379803897
How are they all ready dying
>inb4 twitch
Tekken literally had triple amount of viewers of SFV atm.

>>379804260
Why don't you tell me all about it?

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>>379804179
It's -7. Nigga press literally anything when she's done and get free damage.

>>379804179
>Oh boy! I'll just let the Kolin keep mashing.
You just mentioned V-Skill. V-Skill is -7 on block, which means you can at the very least get a medium punch/kick combo starter with any character. At least. If she's mashing stuff like V-Skill she's gonna get bodied by a few optimized combos. Seriously, what rank are you?

>>379803671
>Kolin gets in your face and mashes with a lot of gimmicks, mainly parry.

If you are losing to a Kolin mashing parry then you have no fucking right to call anyone a scub. You can literally just block it and grab her or full punish if she's mashing it.

>low jab into stand jab if it hits keep going
No damage. 0 knock down. A small amount of stun. No one that isn't a scrub would complain about that.

>Literally easier than Ryu since at least he has to use a medium.

You can easily look at the frame data and confirm that is wrong in 1 minute. Ryu can combo from his clp. Stop pretending you know what you are talking about. Even IF he couldn't his confirms are still the easiest in the game.

>>379804309
your mum says it's great

>>379804269
Tournament attendance.
Steam player numbers.
Hell stream viewers too. The numbers went down the shitter in less than a week.

Shitty games with zero lasting power.

>>379804338
>>379804408
I wonder when you idiots are going to learn to read.

>>379804459
the problem with tekken 7 is that anyone still playing the series is a diehard and the tekken community is known for not being welcoming to newcomers so all the new blood leave within a few weeks

>>379804459
>Instuice 2
>Twitch
Yea it's hard to see numbers for a game that's not on there
>Tourenment numbers
Literally highest amount of people on both WNF and the Calli one on friday for the past two weeks

>>379804510
>state a bunch of lies
>get called out but like 5 different people
>LRN2READ

Right

>>379804565
Doesnt help that Tekken doesnt do shit to teach players how to play.

Game somehow ended up having less content than SFV.
But nobody complains about that because everybody is a hypocrite.

>>379804696
>LOL U LOSE TO KOLIN MASHING V-SKILL
I wonder where I said she mashes V-Skill. I'll wait for you to find it.

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>opponent gets a large combo on me, brings me to 40%, they think they're winning
>when in reality I now have aegis reflector ready to use
>one confirm and one reset later and they're dead
thanks for playing

>>379804718
>Game somehow ended up having less content than SFV.
But it doesn't even character has a story once you finish the mishamis story on top of treasure battles and a lot more customization shit.

>>379804834
Parry isn't safe at fucking all. It is the opposite of safe. People were giving you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant v skill. You can't even mash parry.

>>379805008
I DID mean V-Skill you imbecile. Get some fucking comprehension.

>>379804718
You do realize that /v/ doesn't actually play fighting games, right?
>SFV launches with no story mode, online only
>it gets lots of flak
>Tekken laucnhes with lots of single player things, shit online
>it gets lots of praises
It's almost like these people fighting games just to play against computers and do virtual dress ups

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>>379804868
Urienfags and Balrogfags need to end themselves.
Especially Urien. Fuck your lolsafe buttons

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>>379805086
Just stop anon. It's OK to be wrong.

>>379805008
Holy shit you're even more of a retard than I thought.

>>379805173
outside of his lights urien has one (1) uncharged normal that is plus on block and one of the slowest sweeps in the game

his normals are good because of their reach, not their frame advantage, dumbdumb

>>379804881
No, the characters get one fight and one shitty cinematic that somehow does less than the shitty stills in V.

Tekken also doesnt have a tutorial, doesnt have character presentations, doesnt have trials, survival or fucking lobbies that allow you to set the game to FT10.

The treasure battles are such a retarded grind that they put SFVs survival mode to shame.
Also the customization items are straight up garbage.
Look like shit and there's less than in any Tekken before that included them.
I could put a shirt on Kuma in T5 already. In T7 I cant do SHIT.

Tekken7 feels rushed and unfinished which is disgraceful considering how long its been in the making. Only the content that was in the arcades is alright. Everything else is shit.
Everybody loves to be ignorant and spread half truths like you do though.
Get fucked.

>>379805115
Tekken7 doesnt have lots of single player things.
That stupid story mode was somehow shorter and shittier than what we got in SFV later.
Its pretty fucking lacking in that regard even though it got delayed for YEARS.
All this bullshit talk from fanboys about them receiving a finished product after the wait was made up crap.

so I'm fucking terrible, first off.

but every game follows the same pattern - I get knocked down, then I fail to avoid what the opposing player does during my wakeup. The basic problem is that they'll stand right close and I have no idea if they'll block, grab, or attack.

I know that my grab will beat their block, and break their grab, but it'll lose to their attack. So that's a 66% chance option.

if I just block, then at best I'll tie with their attack or block, but lose to the grab. So this seems pointless.

If I attack, they'll block then counter me, or maybe my attack will get over-ridden with theirs and I'll lose, or maybe they'll grab me before my attack even comes out, or sometimes I'm able to interrupt them. It doesn't seem consistent at all.

Also, what do I do about command throws? They beat regular throws, right? But I can't block, and they're too fast to beat out with an attack. I just lose every time.

help

>>379805456
>Also, what do I do about command throws

Jump.

>>379805362
That's what I mean you shit. Even if I try to get in after your whatever ranged poke you just EX.shoulder in which is like even on block so even then it's a trade and we're back to getting poked to death.

>>379805456
jumping beats all kinds of throws on wakeup.
so instead of trying to tech, go for the jump against a commandgrab character. they will be stuck in the recovery animation and then you can punish them hard.

another thing you should learn is knockdown advantage. not every character gets to pressure you for free after a knockdown. like when alex gets you with a command grab and dashes up to you after that you can press a jab and he will eat shit.
thats basically knowing and learning framedata.

>>379805451
You know, Tekken doesn't really need trials. Considering the nature of fighting games, it's a lot more "build a combo" than "learn a combo", since in 2D games, only certain moves will link together, whereas in 3D games, just do a launcher and then go crazy. I think the demo combos they gave were a pretty good indication of how to play a character.

>>379805630
EX shoulder is -2 on block so you get to bully urien if you block it unless he's going for maximum memery and charging ex headbutt while he's tackling but that's the same shit as every shoto doing a move that puts them at -2 and mashing shoryuken afterwards

>>379805765
Oh eat shit you fanboy apologist nigger.

>>379805456
Sweeps are super easy to block in this game. Unless you're getting swept, repeatedly, you should just ukemi off of a knockdown. The distance should put you out of range of most grabs and attack.

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What the fuck was Capcom thinking when they made this character? He's completely useless in a tournament setting and his only chance of winning is through exploiting netcode with EX uppercut and that dumb tractor beam 50/50. Furthermore, how can anyone have fun at all playing him? He's like flowchart ken personified.

>>379805618
>>379805726
but jumping leaves me open to non-throw attacks, they'll hit me out of the air.

I guess my question is, am I supposed to know what my opponent is going to throw out, or am I always supposed to just guess? Zangief is standing point-blank range, I jump because I've been told to jump, but he just punches me instead. How could I have known this? Am I seriously supposed to react from the 0.1 seconds of time it takes for him to do a move?

>>379806028
what's an ukemi?

>>379805902
Hey, I don't really like the new Tekken. I think armored moves and ultras are shit and further casualization of an already casual series, But the game gives you some demo combos and that's all you need. A game like Tekken doesn't need trails.

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>>379805863
The fuck, really? I always trade with him pressing my fastest light normal, I never thought I had any advantage when he does ex.tackle.

>>379806164
>am I supposed to know what my opponent is going to throw out

It IS possible to guess wrong every time but at some point you should have a read on your opponents tendencies.

>>379806292
it was 0 on block until the last patch a couple of weeks ago, is now -2 on block and leaves him closer to you
cr.mk is now -2 on block now as well, used to be +2

>>379805863
>every shoto doing a move that puts them at -2 and mashing shoryuken afterwards
you mean, "every shoto".

>>379806037
Really good neutral character. Basically the Ryu the game needed.

>>379806164
Its exactly the same mixup situation as before, hit or throw, you just deal with it in a different way, and you actually get much more out of it if you guessed right with a jump.

And no you cant react, its a guess if you are in a REAL 50/50 mixup situation.
A Zangief who grabbed you with the light command grab does NOT put you into a 50/50 mixup. A Zangief who hits you with his hard or ex command grab does.
Thats a thing you gotta learn, many mixups are fraudulent.

>>379806164
Sorry, an ukemi is a quick recovery from a knockdown. You can do this to most knockdowns except for hard knockdowns like sweeps or if you get caught with a counter crush in some moves. Usually the best thing to do on wakeup is to block, since 80 percent of the time, the opponent is either going to try for a crossover or a meaty. Jabs will beat out most command grabs unless it's an EX version. Ypu can ukemi off of most of Gief's grabs except for his HP SPD, which requires him to be point blank. If you feel like he's going to go for a grab, throw out an high priority EX move on wake-up, otherwise, you pretty much have to block and guess.

>>379806523
Except he's not a really good neutral character. His frame advantage is terrible as well as his strings. He doesn't do a ton of stun or damage. Literally all he can do is white life and hope to god his opponent isnt blocking.

>>379806779
>His frame advantage is terrible
Half of his moves are +3 on block nigger.
His pokes are fast and his (anti)fireball game is great.
Anti airs are objectively the best ones in the game.
His stun is also way above average.

Stop posting.

>>379806779
Not that guy, but his fucking crossover kick pisses me off. The damage area does not match the animation in any fucking way. It's like he's kicking me in the nose, but I have to hold the opposite direction because he's actually kicking me in the back. Took me almost six rounds to figure why I couldn't block his jump in.

>>379804868
>playing a meme character

How does it feel using the only character cheap and gimmicky enough to appeal to LowTierGod?

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>>379806037
I don't like how he's basically Eminem, and also a huge douchebag. Nevermind his weird moves setup. Just give me Jambi the Genie, Capcom. He's a nice boy.

Why are you playing SFV you braindead faggot? Fuck why are you evens till buying Capcom garbage?

>>379809321
best devs in the business.

>>379809321
>He fell for the SFV is bad meme

It's actually _______________________________________________________________fun__________________________________________

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>Own SFV on disc
>Disc reader in ps4 stops working so I can no longer play it
>Try to fix it myself after looking it up for a few weeks and watching countles videos
>doesn't work
Well fuck it's not like I wanted to play the new patch anyway I'll just go back to injustice banes fun I guess

>>379809219
>>379806037
His old design was better. I don't know what the fuck they were going for here or why

>>379809665
watch out for sales, game goes on sale for as low as 15$ digitally often.

>>379809389
Yes. Right alongside Konami

>>379780819
>getting hit by wakeup DPs
Stopped reading there

>Playing SFV
I liked IV. The only reason people play V instead is money.
Get into another fighter. Guilty Gear is fun.

Remember when everybody cried about input lag in SFV but absolutely nobody raises a brow when Tekken is even worse about it?

>>379810554
Nobody plays Guilty Gear. Besides, the mechanics and waifus are worse

>>379810554
>The only reason people play V instead is money.
This "argument" again. I wasn't aware people are getting paid to play SFV.

>>379810747
>Nobody plays Guilty Gear. Besides, the mechanics and waifus are worse
Wrong

>>379810883
>What are tournaments

>>379806974
+3 on block doesn't mean shit when you can't follow it up with anyone.

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Whats a follow up after Ed's flicker? I usually just go for low lk because its safe and puts me out of range for some attacks. But I want to do some damage

>>379811045
Something the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't participate in, you brainlet.

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>>379811275

>>379811448
as a combo you can only do super out of it.
as for normals on hit after it to pressure dunno. try it out in training mode.

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>tfw lost 15 games in a row
>tfw lost 1000 points
>tfw havent won a game since i got on an hour ago


guess i'll just go to bed

>>379812328
dont sweat it. 1000 points isnt much you can regain that in a session or two.
you should look at what fucked you up the most though.
reflection is important.

>>379812328
wanna play?

>>379790604
Pretty accurate, especially the Rog, Karin, and Rashid ones.

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>>379780819

Beating a Ken is like the best feeling in the game.

Losing to a Ken is the worst feeling. I cant even describe why.

I guess in the end it balances out.

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>>379790604
This was literally written by a silver Gief.

>>379806037
>>379806523

From Infiltrations twitter:
>I think ED is not good character for beginner. His special moves, normals aren't stable. He is suited more to expert.
>ED's dashes, jump attacks, anti air, set ups, vskill, trigger, reversal are great.
But he has no any good moves for neutral game :(

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>>379790604
she's my waifu for almost 15 years, no shame at all

>>379816785
It's funny, Ed doesn't have any traditional motion inputs; only "command specials", yet those kinds of things are the bane of new players who mash and jiggle the stick in random directions.
Before release, a bunch of the wannabe elite on /v/ suggest Ed is some easymode character simply because of no special motions. Surprise, he ends up being more technical, something for a seasoned player who doesn't press errant buttons.

>>379782586
stay butthurt worthless laura shitter, because the broken character loaded with too many tools is carrying your sorry ass

>>379790604
Except for the Thick part Kolin is accurate for me.
Also I play Karin and like pegging so that's one thing.

>>379817994
>Surprise, he ends up being more technical, something for a seasoned player who doesn't press errant buttons.

I take it you've never actually played against an Ed?

>>379790604
Guile main here. Not true at all. I've never watched a pro Guile once. I selected him because Nash and Balrog were changed, and I don't like how Ryu and Alex feel in this game. I also played Necalli for a while. That one is pretty untrue for me too, as I went with him because I like Aztec shit (I play Kotal Kahn in MKX), I was pretty good too, but I don't enjoy playing rushdown characters, so I dropped him.

>>379819310
It's actually really easy to fuck up and get an unsafe special as Ed. Specially when you try to do his piano inpuit.

>>379803671
>Kolin gets in your face and mashes with a lot of gimmicks, mainly parry.
Mash with what gimmicks, her v skill which is not safe if done in normal range?
It's actually pretty hard for her to stay on someone.

>>379820025
That guy was bronze. Pay him no mind.