Valve is not your friend https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/16/

They aren't This might be one of the only times Polygon posted something that wasn't trash.

>>379773986
Good read

Polygon is based

link to pastebin otherwise it's shill trash

So Polygon finally catches up to 2012.

>the hero was the villain all along
Why did you do this Gabe

>VALVE IS SUCCESSFUL SO THEY ARE EVIL REEEEEE

YOU EITHER DIE A HERO
OR LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE YOURSELF BECOME THE VILLAIN

Pretty spooky article

>>379777279
>baiting in 2017

Stop it, anon. It's passé.

Archive link

https://archive.fo/37P0O

>>379773986
>polygon
>actual LINK to polygon
op is a faggot
http://archive.is/37P0O

No company is your friend.
As far as digital distribution companies go though, Valve is pretty good.

They centralized PC gaming and pretty much resurrected the industry from the brink of death.

By TODAY'S standards, sure they might be considered 'the villain' because they're so ingrained in the entire scene, but this is merely the result of being an industry first.

Imagine if a company like EA got to the digital distribution scene first. We'd be knee deep in shit right now.

Think of Valve like Genghis Khan.

>>379773986
Everyone that thinks valve is their friend needs to kill themselves*

This is what you should have said, the instant passive aggression is all you need to know to tell how mentally ill these fuck tards are. If it wasn't valve it'd be the Democrats or some other insane cultist bullshit

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>>379773986
more importantly, does anyone have a link to that wallpaper

>>379778983
Who gets your games when you die?

>>379779113
whoever you give your account info to or specify in your will, presumably

>>379778983
>resurrection at the peak
Not how it works. Valve's only peaks have been sales, they ruined everything they touched but they made a ton of money so i guess it's ok

>>379779093
>disk space required
>180MB
where did it all go wrong lads

>>379779473
idr but i think opposing force required hl1 to be installed since it was an expansion

>>379773986
Stop idolizing ANY company.
In all seriousness, Valve is NOT your friend. But it certainly is not your enemy when it comes to deals, service, distribution, etc. Paid modding was the dumbest shit and THANK GOD they admitted it was the dumbest shit (they still wanna monetize it though).

Humans need to STOP idolizing a company for their X, Y, and Z THEY THEMSELVES placed on a pedestal. FYI: polygon idolizes bioware because of their progressiveness, not their games, it was just the icing on the cake.

unrelated and shitposting note: https://youtu.be/1b-bijO3uEw?t=118

>>379774854
this.

don't enable Polygon's bullshit brand of journalism.

>>379773986
>>379774083
>>379774802

theyre only writing this because valve BTFO their SJW agenda and engaged with people like TotalBiscuit who also BTFO their SJW narrative when given the chance, Valve became an enemy of the SJW and now kotaku and friends have declared them an enemy

its complete bullshit and youd be dumb to lap it up (that doesnt mean dont be objective) everyone over the age of 12 understands busines entities exist to make money

>>379773986
wanna know who is even less your friend? polygon

>>379780004
>engaged with people like TotalBiscuit who also BTFO their SJW narrative
You mean that time he was invited to their office, along with Jim Sterling?

>Valve is bad because they control an industry that they literally brought back from the brink of not existing anymore
Yeah okay

>>379780004
>the enemy of my enemy is my friend

>>379780448
This is wrong

Your brain is bad if you believe pc gaming wouldn't exist now if not for valve

Valve killed pc and console gaming

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>Polygon posting something I 100% agree with
What the fuck.

Also Valve, Steam, and Gabe Newell may be absolute rancid shit, but fuck me they made the best controller on the market

Sony is not your friend
Nor nintendo nor mocosoft
They are ruled by men that just want to become immortal at all costs and have immortal servants for themselves
That's why they all suck dick
Imagine the future being ruled by these pieces of shit FOR ALL OF ETERNITY

valve does not appreciate video games any longer, therefore I don't give a single fuck about their putrid little jew company

every person working there could kill themselves and there would be no loss, the digital distribution platform would be picked up by someone else, and all their money-making schemes would be like dust in the wind, just like their video game-making schemes have been for several years now

>>379780448
>they control an industry that they literally brought back from the brink of not existing anymore

>He unironically believes in the "le based Gayben revived PEECEE gaming xD" meme

Fucking idiot.

>>379780885
at least those three output video games

there is no doubt valve is just coasting at this point, im just sad they'd toss off doing sequels so callously. once they hit a comfort zone they basically became NEET's.

>>379780004
>people like TotalBiscuit
Totalbiscuit has expressed this same anti-Valve anti-Steam Sale anti-Steam opinion time and time again on his podcast. Pretty much once an episode they talk about how bad Steam is and every few at least mention how bad it is for the industry.

And he's 100% right

>>379780627
>>379780924
>t 12 year olds

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>>379779093
no really though, i need that bg

>>379780627
PC would absolutely not be getting games like Bayonetta, Vanquish, Tekken, Street Fighter, etc, if it wasn't for steam.

Steam may be shit with too much of a monopoly, but it turned PC into a viable market.

>>379781194
Woah pc gets multiplats now

Sweet dude, praise valve

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>>379780885
I would argue that occasionally the big 3 have somebody at the top or near the top working in the interests of the consumer. There's no denying that Iwata cared even if he couldn't always cared even if the actions of Nintendo didn't always reflect it.

In 2017 absolutely none of the big 3 give a single shit any more. It's pathetic.

>>379781284
Stop posting

>not getting insta banned for posting polygon link
GET TO FUCKING WORK MODS!!

I appreciate the service, but I totally agree the way they handle customer service is scummy as fuck

>>379780190
yes, SJW twitter was abuzz that they were giving him their time at the time

>>379780985
I guess thats why they valued his input

The point is valve did not capitulate to the SJW media who now throw them under the bus and now they hate valve despite valve operating like any other business. I havent read the article because i cant bring myself to visit that shithole but I have little doubt their singling out of valve is without merit.

>>379773986
>polygon
Literally funded by Microsoft.
I don't need another corporate mouthpiece to tell me about Valve.

I'm quite sure I've read this article before.

That said, yes, valve is destructive. But the market gap was there, and the rest of the market only has themselves to blame.

If there's anything that really irks me about it it's the exlusivity aspect. PC Games used to be independent software from the rest of your system, and that was definitly better.

>>379779561
Ah okay

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>>379781084
>Steam revived PC
Steam also turned the PC market into the glorified appstore with 10 times the shovelware that it is today. Valve used to be one, and now is the other.

>>379773986
>polygon
how about you get the fuck out of here pal

>>379781782
>Steam revived PC
>Steam also turned the PC market into the glorified appstore with 10 times the shovelware that it is today.
those arent mutually exclusive facts, i agree steam is full of garbage now but that doesnt mean they didnt revive pc gaming and actually win against piracy

>polygon
opinion discarded. they have zero integrity.

>>379773986
>polygon
fuck off cunt

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>>379779093
just for you

>>379781981
>Win against piracy
No you're retarded.

They brought PC gaming back and then took it down brick by brick themselves. Anybody with emotions short of hatred for Valve in 2017 think we're living in a fantasyland where PC is still a healthy platform.

>>379773986
Valve does nothing wrong, besides not making games anymore.

>>379773986
>I don't play y steam account anymore and was wanting to sell it on ebay. I heard that this isn't "legal" for some dumbfuck reason, but what are the chances of valve finding out and banning my account?

http://archive.is/37P0O because OP is a faggot

>>379782173
oh man, thanks, i actually looked for like 5-10 minutes
much appreciated

>>379781928
>>379782027
>>379782061

>LE GAMURGATE! WE ARE LE LEEEEEJUN!

It's a decent article you fucking idiots, just read it and stop throwing gay autism fits over your "SJW" dogshit.

>>379782183
oh yeah youre right, valve didnt win against piracy. they launched steam but because people could get whatever games they wanted for free with relatively little effort, the service died and valve died with it.

oh wait

>>379782260
>gaymergay
HAHA no fuck you you're an idiot and polygon is bullshit just like shittaku and the rest of those fucking websites

>>379781782
Their intentions (may) have been good at first when it comes to that. They have the same problem Nintendo had in the early days of the NES. Everybody and their mother wants to jump on the PC gaming scene and crank out a turd to get rich quick. It was good of Steam to include indie devs in their business because indies needed a centralized outlet (itch.to does this better now). But now that Gabe can get a cut of the profit for all the shitty asset flips it's full steam ahead, pun intended.

There should be strict quality standards and a sharp limit placed on early access scamfests. But it won't happen.

>>379782260
>LITERALLY an article shilling for Origin
get a grip

My only gripe is the games not being DRM free but steam isn't that bad, they're a company and capitalism exists. I don't think they'd commit company suicide by removing licenses for the game since it can be argued that technically you don't own the game but you still have your save files and that's all the matters considering they'd probably have a lot of lawsuits and refund issues on their hands.

>>379782260
its complete bullshit and Polygon have a narrative to sell

>>379782260
polygon writer #triggeredasfuck

>>379779113
>who gets your bank account when you die
idk anon, if only there was some legal document that helped pass on belongings to other people.

>>379782502
I don't know where the "you don't own the games" meme comes from anyways, as if you didn't have any rights associated with buying a licence.

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>tfw I fell for the Good Guy Valve meme

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>capitalism is evil
>companies shouldn't want to make money
>being this numale / SJW

tl;dr Valve is a Company, it's not fair that they are Winning and you're mean to Origin while giving Valve more money even though they are a Company.

>>379773986

>tfw 12yo Steam account
>have bought 6 (six) Steam games one of which will probably get refunded in 2 days

Glad I grew up in the age of hardcopy games 2bh

The absolute state of video games today

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>>379773986
>polygon

>>379782797
Want to save yourself from future memes?

There is no "good guy" company. None whatsoever. There's publicity, marketing and PR, and they'll always be weighted against lost or gained profit. Every company will do the math and extract maximum profit, and if the equation shifts away from good customer relations to being profitable, they'll turn on you in a heartbeat.

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>>379783075
>There is no "good guy" company.
See you say that but then companies like pic related exist.

It's ok to like a company as long as you know who inside of that company is making it good, and can recognize when they've gone south and are no longer worth supporting (The second part is the one 90% of people have trouble with)

>>379782776
People feel more strongly in control about holding physical properties over digital.

>>379782776
Steam isn't DRM free that's what it's about

>>379782992
Maybe you should read it

>>379778726
The only straight person in this thread. Thank you.

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>>379773986

how is valve letting modellers sell their work via steam workshop "speculative work"? that is fucking ridiculous comparing that work to the freelance writer kind of speculative work. it is a market place, if you set up shop and nobody buys or likes your stuff then you can't blame the marketplace for not paying your salary. this is in stark contrast to what modellers were doing before steam workshop i.e. making their shitty skins and models and uploading them to fpsbanana for free because there was no legal way for them to profit from it.

absolutely bizarre criticism to have.

>>379783357
First, let me remind you that Valve is Not A Good Guy, it's a Company.

>>379783357
But that's literally what it said
>abloobloo why do people complain about having to install Shitrigin, it's NOT FAIR

>>379783308
>See you say that but then companies like pic related exist.
They sure do. And guess what: Their number one priority is money. So's number two, and three.

Currently, their way to being profitable is good PR. Reward good PR and keep it profitable, and they'll keep it. But I assure you that once they find something more profitable, they'll dump you as well.

They're not "good guy" platinum. They're "currently being good is profitable guy" platinum.

>>379773986
>posting an old article
>linking to it instead of archive
Fuck off Tim Colwill

>>379782898
>If Gabe isn't morally just, why would God make him rich?

Never ever though valve was my friend. However GoG doesn't have 100% of the games I want, and Origin can just fuck off. I'm not wasting my time with that. It's the same shit as Steam only has worse games on it. Windows store doesn't even exist.

>>379783337
If that's the whole problem then I don't see why gog isn't much bigger than it is.

>>379783583
>Their number one priority is money.
Platinum literally has a business model that involves not worrying about their A-Team games selling and making them for the sake of putting good games into the craft. B team licensed games and selling away 90% of the rights to their publishers allows them to do this.

>>379780985
I don't think they have ever said Steam is straight up bad for the industry. They do point out all the fuck ups Steam does though

>>379783862
>I don't think they have ever said Steam is straight up bad for the industry
He has exactly gone to great lengths to describe how steam sales damage the industry and are only loved by short sighted faggots.

>>379773986
>Valve isn't your friend because they steal money from you and the things Steam does is technically illegal

Wow it's almost like Valve needs money to sustain it's self

>>379783775
You're using a lot of words just to say "loss leader".

A COMPANY WANTS PROFITS.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


I BET THEY DONT EVEN SUPPORT FEMINISM.

>>379783775
A bunch of videogame companies work like that. Their famous games are there to build their reputation so they can make a bunch of cash making "serious games" and other contracts.

>>379783606
he made himself rich by providing good products

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>>379784007
The games that people care about from Platinum aren't made with financial interests in mind. W101 is just as much a success in the companies eyes as Nier Automata or MGR because they're all good games.
No amount of spinning will change the fact that Platinum is in it for a love of the craft and the industry. But I'll be right there ready to admit when it stops being the case.

>>379779179
>>379782746
>steam guard procs
what now kekolds?

>>379780004
>LE SJW BOOGIEMAN!

>>379784454
>what is transformers
>what is korra
>what is tmnt

you're still right about the others, though

>>379783418
that's not exactly how it works.

Say you make a hat for TF2. You have to submit it to valve and then pray they select it to add into the game. If it's selected, it's entirely on Valve's terms. They control the pricing and your share of the profits, with absolutely no negotiation from you.

And if you're not selected, suppose you decide to back out; you want to use that hat in your own game you're making or something. Well too bad, that model is now Valve's property and you can't.

In other words, you're doing work for Valve on the *hope* that they'll pay you in the future. It's the definition of speculative.

The fact that there might not have been better alternatives for modelers in the past doesn't make it not speculative.

>>379784625
>what is transformers
>what is korra
>what is tmnt
Their moneymakers. That's exactly what the dude was saying.

>>379776818
>realizing this late

Faggit. Vulva been shit since they launched steam on post-CS.16 and CSZ. No one from the time of those days will like valve.

>>379773986
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>>379778821
Holy shit, 3 paragraphs in and it's already dripping with lefty agenda.

>>379784489
log into their email account? contact valve with a death certificate to have them change the email on file?

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>>379784720
>tfw you've described the general state of employment in our economic era
eheh... I can't wait to do more years of unpaid internship and unpaid jobs to put in my resume in the hope someone will hire me

>>379784489

Let them borrow your phone to go in and change the verification info.

Why do you people give these shitty sites ad revenue? OP Is prolly a shill himself.

Use outline.com. Just prepend the url with "outline.com/", like so:

outline.com/https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/16/15622366/valve-gabe-newell-sales-origin-destructive

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>good game companies don't ex-

>>379782898
Have anyone notice his juicey nose ?

>>379785086

>log into their email account?

most people won't pass on their email accounts for privacy reasons

>contact valve with a death certificate to have them change the email on file?

how will they verify this? why should they bother?

no argument

>>379785268

>Let them borrow your phone to go in and change the verification info.

the phone is password protected and there's lots of hentai on it, the password wasn't in the will, now what?

no argument

>>379785365
>make first-world money with your game
>pay your employee third-world wages
genius

>>379785365
I hate witcher series but i can't agree more what they're doing with GoG is a good counter balance to other digital distribution services.

>>379785365
Can't argue with that 2bh

>>379785348
Op is a massive faggot or a shill if he unironically posts polygon articles

ITT: We like Polygon now.

Fucking neo /v/... this generation z shit has to stop.

>>379773986

Greatest gaming article I have read in years.

>>379782260
>It's a decent article you fucking idiots
I read it and no it isn't. It's lefty trash agitating against the market leader for no reason other than to manufacture controversy and farm clicks.

There are a LOT of Gabe cockholsters in this thread. Nobody is saying big profits and Capitalism are bad. What is being said is that what Valve has been doing nothing short of pure exploitation, and people defend them because they're seen as the good guys in the industry. Valve isn't the good guy. Valve isn't your friend. Valve only does the absolute bare minimum it needs to for you, and even then they get brought to court because they try to do even less than that.

>>379785365
Go on, finish your sentence, I see nothing that could have compelled you to stop.

>>379780863
>>Polygon posting something I 100% agree with
>What the fuck.

They can write that the sky is blue all day long, but it doesn't make them good journalists.

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>>379773986
>Valve is not your friend

...says the gaping asshole of journalism.

Cool story, bro.

>>379773986

Valve is not my friend, but I trust it more than I trust some stupid fuck writing a polygon article.

>>379773986
SHILL
USE ARCHIVE OR FUCK OFF

kek what did valve and steam do? (they've) been attacking then since last month

>>379779093
>image attributed to Reddit
>looks like it's ripped straight from a desktop thread on /g/

even has the shitty windows shell replacement and "kawaii desu uguu~" bug eyed anime girl wallpaper

>>379786161
Nothing, the whole article is full of absolute nothing apart from the words "Good Guy Valve" over and over again.

>>379785921
Calm down, Tim, you don't have to keep pasting your article here.

>>379783417
He's right you know. Goyim deserve no mercy, you live because we allow it, and you will die because we demand it.

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>>379781284
>Wanting to be in the same boat that Nintendo is in
You're a fucking retard m8, go take a long walk off a short pier.

>>379784434
I thought he made himself rich from microsoft shares.

>>379786161
they're not paying workshop creators enough and origin isn't doing well enough to compete because you won't let them

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>>379773986
>no archive
kys viral kid

ARCHIVE
>>379778821
>>379778821

Ive never seen such a subtle "go to origin" because valve is mean and steam is "like totally evil" article, I wonder how much that author got paid by EA for it.

Links to Polygon, Vice, etc should be auto-banned

>The man who's company main product is intrusive DRM
>The man responsible for PC games no longer getting physical releases with the game on the discs, so you end up not actually owning a copy of the game
Anyone that has ever liked Valve is a fucking idiot and the cancer of PC gaming

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>>379786337
ok.

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>>379784871

>>379773986
>steam provides an easy platform for games to be distributed online
>entices people to join via good sales
>everyone jumps on the steam bandwagon
>steam becomes incredibly successful
>now, they have to be held accountable for more than their initial aim and service and blamed for everything wrong with the PC industry
>not realizing every publisher can distribute games steamfree digitally or via retail for the PC
>them not doing that is somehow steam's fault

Steam is not responsible for anything more than digitally providing buyers with functioning games and it has been doing that nigh immaculately since its inception. All these unsuccessful cucks trying to put more responsibility on the successful steam platform for side effects caused by how weak and submissive the rest of PC industry is is again not valve's fault.

>>379785648
>how will they verify this? why should they bother?
a death certificate is the official way to do this. a death certificate is an official document signed by a government-certified person that says "this person is dead." you usually order several of them as part of the funeral process, although you can order more at any time. you can't use copies, you have to use originals.

>>379783973
>short sighted faggots
Like who, people who buy shit?

I don't get it. Why steam is bad? I get games for cheap and they are all in one convenient location. I never had any issues.

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>>379780004
I thought they wrote it because a workshop seller broke the NDA by mentioning valve dropped the 25% workshop creators get to 5-7%

>>379773986

When Valve announces HL3, any hate will evaporate like water on a hot skillet

>>379784489
>having steam guard enabled
you played yourself dip shit
>>379785648
>how will they verify one of the strongest legal documents a normal citizen can be granted
heard of a fax dipshit?
what do you think happens when you call to cancel credit cards and other bills they were auto paying? you think the card companies can just tell you to fuck off with a judge ordered paper?

Learn2Legal before you have these kinds of arguments.

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>>379786948
>Anyone that has ever liked Valve is a fucking idiot and the cancer of PC gaming

Anyone who doesn't remember the Online Cheater Cancer circa Y2K, or never hunted patches for days tying to make a LAN party happen doesn't get to talk smack about Steam being "useless".

STFU and gb2 farmville

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>>379787578
I dont need no fucking papers.
I got Pence and a baseball bat.

Valve has gotten pretty greedy over the past few years

Stopped doing Flash sales
They take that 75% cut from all workshop creations.
They invented trading cards for games that you use to get backgrounds but need all the cards for, then take a 25% cut of all those transactions
They're pushing for paid mods again where they also take a 75% cut of revenue

>>379784720
The best part is after you submit and give up the rights to your creation, and you're lucky enough for Valve to pick it, you can only get paid after the amount of money it makes hits a certain threshold. So if it doesn't sell well then Valve keeps all the money instead.

>>379783973
It's pretty clear that with the concentration of games in one location, it's allowed many previously console-only PC games to find an actual place in the market and make a profit. That is due to Steam getting so popular in large part.

I agree that their monopoly on the market is a long-term problem, but to say they haven't had any positive impact is ridiculous.

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>>379788067
>The best part is after you submit and give up the rights to your creation, and you're lucky enough for Valve to pick it, you can only get paid after the amount of money it makes hits a certain threshold. So if it doesn't sell well then Valve keeps all the money instead.

Making mods is its own reward, scrub.

>>379782183
>Anybody with emotions short of hatred for Valve in 2017 think we're living in a fantasyland where PC is still a healthy platform.

>a fantasyland where PC is still a healthy platform.

wait are you people shitting on valve actually consolefags?

you think you arent getting shat on harder by microsoft or sony?

what dumb goys

All I care about is that Valve doesn't have any good summer/winter sales anymore, they used to be fucking LIT

Who cares about the workshop thing though they're giving the opportunity to the community to have some nerds create good content and get paid for it and they aren't holding a gun up to anyones head to make them do it

>>379787301
It's not necessarily that Steam is bad. They do offer a great service. It's just some of their practices are not so great, and the cult surrounding Steam tends to completely ignore those practices.

>Customer service is near nonexistent
>refunds were implemented only after being forced to by courts after years of fighting
>generally abuse content creators, paying them only a tiny portion of any profits they earn, with no room for negotiation or complaining (see first point)

Obviously if all you do is play games you probably don't care about that.

What worries me more is the constant Valve dicksucking. The article is totally right in that Valve has carefully crafted a large and vocal fanbase who believe they can do no wrong. The "hype" surrounding Steam sales and the like always reeks of viral shilling.

>>379779473
When you were younger you probably wished for even more amazing looking games.
But the monkey answered.

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>>379779093

>weeb neckbeards existed even back in 2004

>>379783684
Because using Gog is inconvenient, it lacks the social functionalities that are actually useful (like oh hey, my friend is playing X, let me join the game), and it lacks a bunch of modern releases. A hybrid of Gog/Steam would be the best outcome, but Gog's mission statement is at odds with a lot of those goals.

>>379788532
anime has been a thing for decades in japan, if not more
weebs have been a thing since around the time usenet started getting popular at universities, which i think was sometime in the 80s. weebs have a long and storied history.

>>379779473
>disk space available: 40GB

Don't forget the other half of the equation. You can get a 3TB HDD for $66 and internet connections are a hundred times faster as well.

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>>379788532
weebs were around since the 80s
>go speed racer go

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>>379788532
What do you think who started this site

>Valvewas even slapped with a court caseafter one transgender employee alleged that her supervisor constantly referred to her as “it.”
Absolutely based
I know where I'll keep doing my shopping

>>379788454
Atleast consolefags actually own their games.

>>379788468
Blame the publishers for the prices. Steam sales generate enough revenue they can afford to be more greedy. Flash sales are dead due to refunds, and the actual games are dead due to Russians and the marketplace.

>>379788532

Try 1984

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>>379788468
>It's 2012 and the summer months are at hand
>you've saved on eating out and have nourished yourself on only water and ramen for the past 20 days
>this is the last night you have to sleep without air conditioning as you roll onto bed in the summer heat
>just before you close your eyes you look at your wallet sitting on the dresser, fat and ready for war tomorrow

>>379788906
It's not refunds that killed flash sales (people waited for the last day of the sale anyways), it's key resellers.

>>379788904
>has to pay more for games only to have to replace discs which can get scratched over time and stop working and dont work on upgraded versions of his console so he has to rebuy it as a remaster for $60

>"b-but you dont really own anything its digital"

>>379788532
this is the earliest post i can find on google discussions from alt.anime and it's from 1994 and is clearly not the first post in the group
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.anime/3J2nUGjm0VA

i think archive.org might go back further, but i think that requires a usenet reader and i don't have one installed anymore

>>379788904
But they don't you retard. That's not how IP works.

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>PEOPLE DEMONIZED ORIGIN FOR BEING JUST LIKE VALVE
>OH MAN ORIGIN IS NOTHING LIKE VALVE THO FREE GAMES!!!
>RRR CAPITALISM
>failing to note or recall Origin being a shitshow was because of the LITERAL SPYWARE it forcefully and silently installed without your fucking permisson and was hard as fuck to get rid of
>ABLOO BLOO WHY IS A DISTRIBUTOR MAKING A 30% CUT PROFIT THAT'S SO DRACONIAN
>Doesn't know how warehouse distribution companies work IRL
>Doesn't realize 30% is pretty god damned generous considering they could easily make it 50% and there is literally nothing they could fucking do about it
>shames Valve for refunds being brought into Steam Wallet credit
>meanwhile Amazon and online retailers do the SAME GOD DAMNED THING but are left the fuck alone
>treating the entire fucking company as Gabe Newell and continuously calling Valve a guy to the point a narrative is being written

Jesus fucking christ. I should have never read this intellectual rape.

>>379789420
>"let me just give my money to this for profit company and get absolutely nothing in return"
>"I'm not a corporate cocksucker!!"

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>>379773986
>a corporation that seeks to make money and made DRM popular for PC is not your friend.

no fucking shit, I avoided steam as long as I could until around 2009 when I bought SR2 and had to install steam in order to use it.

>>379789960
>Valve made DRM popular for PC
>he actually believes this

hHAHAHAHHHHAHAHHHAAA

>>379790318
what client forced you to install itself to play games besides gamespy? because I really don't remember.

>>379789750
>Literal spyware

You are either thinking of when they hired those dumb indians to shill up some shitty online post, or you are referring to those fucking idiots posting procmon acting like it was sending all of your files back to ea.

The client itself runs better than steam, but all you need those things for is running a fucking game. These fucking things aren't facebook as much as you tools want it to be.

>>379788481
My question is why content creators even do this shit for Valve if the service and rewards are so shitty. Why wouldn't you work on some other game and distribute it for free, or with donations open, like people do with Skyrim, Fallout, Doom etc

>>379790648
>The client itself runs better than steam
Maybe now, not a few years ago. And no I don't have a duty to keep testing their shit to see if it's gotten better.

>>379790318
>implying the DRM of old where all you had to do was type the code that came with the discs once is anywhere near as bad as Steam or Denuvo

>>379788532
This is why Millennials need to be removed from the site.

Everyone migrated from messageboards and IRC. If you are too young to know that, you shouldn't even be here.

>>379778983
No Valve didn't bring it back from the brink. Steam was and still is shit, IMO blizzard should compete with them along with EA so that they lose their fucking stupid monopoly in the market.

Of course Valve isn't your "friend", but they've done more for (and to) gaming than 1000x Polygon and every other "journalistic gaming blog" combined will in the coming 1000 years so reading this in 2017 even is just a little weird.

>>379790808
A lot of them are too inexperienced to realize it's a shitty deal, or they've also been brainwashed by the cult of Gaben.

And even among the ones that do, there aren't many options to actually make money off that kind of work. Now that Valve has brought up the idea of profit, the idea of doing it for free and fun no longer crosses their minds.

And if profit is your motive, even as small and shitty as it is, then Steam is really the only place that matters. Most of these creators aren't skilled enough to gain professional jobs or sell their work elsewhere.

>>379785665
You forgot
>using the first-world profits to pay employee wages for the next 5 years because self-publishing

And regardless of overall company profits employee wages will always be in relation to the economic situation of the location.

>>379791782
Well I'm sure those chinese sweatshops are self-producing too

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>listening to the news jew
>all these "I hate polygon but..."
Shills in full force

>>379791972
Chinese Sweatshop Red did nothing wrong.

>>379791198
dude what, every steam game is associated with the same kind of key code

denuvo can cause performance issues but steam doesnt

>>379791454
>retard doesnt remember the wasteland that was pc gaming before steam

opinion discarded

>>379792256
Steam is intrusive DRM on top of the key code for a digital copy, which digital copies are inherently anti-consumer. Keep sucking that Valve cock you fucking shill

The funny thing is people who play Valve games actually use 4chan. 4chan, champion of free speech. Valve? Bans your speech for a week because two peruvian faggots report you in Dota2.

Valve is trash, anybody who uses their shit service is trash.

>>379792519
>4chan, champion of free speech.

???

>>379781690
You cannot indict Steam/Valve et al for 'how bad they are for the industry' without doing the same for a shit ton of stuff you use every day and don't realize.

>>379792519
Free speech doesn't apply to every situation like you think it does you mong

>>379780005

But I'm a third wolder.

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>Valve was even slapped with a court case after one transgender employee alleged that her supervisor constantly referred to her as “it.”

BASED Valve

>>379792110

Valve is the Jew here.

>>379786337
lol k

>>379793445
This is just a Jew turf war

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>>379778983
>They centralized PC gaming and pretty much resurrected the industry from the brink of death.
>resurrected the industry from the brink of death.
There can't be people who actually believe this, right? Is Valve paying you to shill for them? They're so fucking cheap I can't believe they'd actually pay someone real money to come defend them in this place. Are you getting paid in TF2 hats?

>>379788532

I've been a weeb since 2002.

I used to frequent Gamepro. Then 4chan popped up the next year.

Those Asuka Wind collections. Boioioing! Doesn't do much for me now ofcourse.

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>>379793675
>>They centralized PC gaming and pretty much resurrected the industry from the brink of death.
>>resurrected the industry from the brink of death.
>There can't be people who actually believe this, right? Is Valve paying you to shill for them? They're so fucking cheap I can't believe they'd actually pay someone real money to come defend them in this place. Are you getting paid in TF2 hats?

Who do you think you're bullshitting with that?

PC gamers know their own.

>>379788532
Weebs and neckbeards ruled the internet with an iron fist before 2007

the average age of this thread must be 14

>a business is successful so they are evil and i hate them

what an ungrateful and misguided point of view. valve is by far the best company to have a monopoly on digital distribution of games. you cant name any other big company that would have done a better job than them. just imagine what things would be like if Steam was EA's

>>379773986
>Linking polygon without pastebin
Fuck off newfag

>>379794042
>millenials will never know about alt.sysadmin.recovery

>>379794157
How about no monopoly and every game company just had their own storefront (or no storefront at all)?

>>379794396
Steams bandwidth is god tier, I don't want to download from some independent game companies shitty servers

>>379792474
>which digital copies are inherently anti-consumer.

>says the cuck who buys physical and cant refund after playing a game for nearly two hours

>>379773986
Valve are drug dealers and all their customers are junkies.

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>>379794263
>>millenials will never know about alt.sysadmin.recovery

We don't have to. Strategic sexual favours go a long way.

>>379794454
are you aware that steam is its own torrent client, right?

>>379794580
more like /v/ is full of butthurt consolefags

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>>379793873
>PC gamers know their own.
What the fuck does that even mean? We have to suck valve's dick or we're somehow not part of the pc community? Don't be mad cause you're full of shit and you got called out on it.
>They centralized PC gaming and pretty much resurrected the industry from the brink of death
Please, don't make me laugh.

>>379794396
every game company would have to deal with updating and servicing downloads of their games to everyone. and theyd all do that to varying degrees of quality. plus, you'd have to have like 20 launchers installed, because every company would have their own.

also indie games would never have been able to happen because thered be no centralized user base happily buying games from a service they trust (steam). you may be one of the edgy faggots who will say "good, indie games are shit anyways", but most of the games that people play a lot every year happen to be indie games made by no name new developers

>>379785665
Nothing wrong with that.

why dont you people use gog

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>>379788532
Anon, fansubs used to be on VHS...

>>379794930
>want to play new releases
>stuck with Good Old Games

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>>379794949
Oh god, I'm actually arguing with a teenager. You know what? It's my fault, your childish posts gave you away but I simply thought you were a retard not a kid, my bad. I'm just gonna leave because this is pointless and you're just gonna reply in ways that you think are clever but really aren't.

>>379794930
Why don't people just pirate instead of giving money to shitty devs/publishers who won't release their games in a proper way?

>Polygon posting something console cucks 100% agree with

>>379795223
because thats immoral. people worked hard on those games and those games will disappear without monetary compensation. would you still be flipping burgers if i burned your paycheck every two weeks?

>>379773986
>polygon

Yeah I'm not clicking that.

>>379780448
this is what peecucks actually believe

>polygon made shitty anti-valve clickbait
>all these people defending polygon
Stop shilling Valve will you?

>>379789762
>get absolutely nothing in return
I get the game

>>379780448
explain GoG please.

>>379795939
>he think he gets a game
You are licensed to play it as long as Valve provides said license to you.

>>379796147
*yawn*

>>379796147
Which do you think will last longer, Valve or the optical drive on your console?

>>379782260
Not only is it politically charged BS. The arguments are completely half baked. Claims that cannot be corroborated throughout the entire article. As well as it is just terrible fanatical writing.

If you think this trash is good, you need to take a logic course.

>>379796595
GoG and torrent clients :^)

>>379773986
I just saved and store that article in the cloud, who knows if it will be deleted in the future.

>>379796595
Me copying the data from my old PC game discs so I only have to use the discs once as long I have the game backed up.
>"b-b-but ruined discs!!!"
Not an argument for physical PC games

>>379773986
autistic as fuck

>wahhhh they won't let me refund a game after I played it
>wahhh they have sales every few months

>Valve was even slapped with a court case after one transgender employee alleged that her supervisor constantly referred to her as “it.”

Who cares?

>>379797284
t. lubricated anus.

>>379797359
thanks to valve the PC market is growing and more open than ever. even japanese companies are moving to steam and releasing at the same time now

>>379797491
*yawn*

>>379796708
Pirating invalidates everything related to paying for games so not really an argument, and if you're so scared of the license boogeyman/"what if Valve dies?" you'd have to keep backups of all the GOG installers which isn't very fun when games are getting to be 30+ GB as standard, and if you don't there'd be no practical difference to Steam (except for an inferior platform and content delivery system.)

>>379797703
braindead /v/ contrarian

>>379797491
>open
No, it isn't, just because it is easier, doesn't mean it's open.

>japanese companies
Yeah, bad ports and shitty games in general are so awesome.

>>379797491
They aren't releasing their games physically so who gives a shit. PC ends up getting cucked since consoles get a proper release but PC doesn't
Not that I mind, haven't payed for a single of the Jap games I've played since they end up on nyaa. Would have had no problem to pay for Shinovi Versus and Estival Versus but they can fuck off with that digital only bullshit.

>>379797726
Storage is fucking cheap now, unless you are one if the autists that only uses SSD storage.

>>379797726
Gog gives you the freedom to back up anywhere you want, and there are dozens of good cloud services to provide that backup. so your argument is moot, shithead.

>>379797119
>modern games would come on 5+ discs because no one has a blu-ray drive on pc
>would need to copy 30+GB from disc at the speed of a snail because no one has a blu-ray drive on pc
>would need to keep backup drives with said 30+GB for each game
Yeah, the retarded paranoia would definitely be worth the hassle.

>>379798105
>doesn't trust a cloud service to maintain your access to content
>store it in a different cloud service instead
Fantastic logic.

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>>379798638

paranoia is love paranoia is life

>>379798638
Modern games are only as big as they are because they don't have to be optimized since they aren't released physically.
And yes, it would be worth the hassle. How fucking hard is it to switch the discs when each one is done?

Valve is not your friend, no company is "your friend."

But Valve still has a stellar service and blows all the competition away.

>>379774802
it's basically origin shilling because valve hurt poly's "muh feelins"

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>>379798974
>stellar service

>>379798974
>the literal microsoft of videogames
>stellar

>>379780005
>the media is the enemy of the people
>only when it talks shit about me or my friends

dumb trump voter detected. at least try to respond to what the article contends and not resort to shit tier fallacies

>>379798950
The "optimization" you're speaking of would lower the quality of the assets, no thanks. And yes, fiddling with discs and making sure to properly back up everything before playing a game would be a hassle. Not overly so, after all that's how it used to be, but not worth it when there's a better option.

You're also forgetting that if there was no Steam and everything was still physical, you'd also still be fighting with good old physical disc-based copy protections that would make backups impossible or much harder.

>>379799442

>literal Microsoft of videogames
>when Microsoft already has a videogames division

not only that, but Valve doesn't even have a monopoly, given that uPlay/GOG/Origin/GMG/G2A/Desura/itch.io/etc exist.

>>379799971
>not as popular as steam

>>379799735
>if there was no Steam and everything was still physica

>implying steam invented the cloud
>implying steam patented cloud gaming
>implying NOBODY would think of the most basic on-line sales model in that year.

You must be underage. Had Steam not existed, gaming would be either the same or much better than it is now.

We would have had GoG much sooner. Anyway how are those guys even making profit nowadays?

hmmmmmm ',:^)

>not only that, but Valve doesn't even have a monopoly
show me the numbers faggot.

>>379797331
hostile work environment, dumb ass. it's illegal and only adds to the proof showing valve is not the good guy you meme them to be

>>379800091

Doesn't mean they don't exist or don't make any money.

>>379797331
It probably does. But it's Valve's fault for hiring on a mental case.

>>379800272
>calling a tranny the wrong pronoun
>hostile

>>379800604
>constantly

>>379773986
If Half Life 2 had not been the success it was Steam would've probably died right there and then.

Funny how its sucess made them such a rotten company (it probably already was). And it also killed Half Life 3 :^)

>>379782898
>>379782898
>>379782898
>>379782898
>>379782898

>>379800809

They still had Counter Strike as their backup. Even without HL2 they could have just ridden on 1.6 until Source came out.

>>379782898
>capitalism is evil
Capitalism probably fucked America in the ass, mate :^) For more info look up 'china and rare metals' Learn some history
>companies shouldn't want to make money
Of course the should want to, but not fucking their employees/costumers over as polygon already explained.

Educate yourself.

>>379800604
It's disrespectful and insulting, not very suitable for a professional environment.

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>>379793873
>PC gamers know their own.

>>379773986
>valve is not your friend
>says polygon who are known to be everyone's best friend

Lmao.

>>379800809
>being this new
You do realize the entire Valve catalog was on Steam since WON shut down, plus Counter-Strike Source, so Half-Life 2 wouldn't have killed Steam.

>>379800604
like it or not, trannies are human just as much as you are. referring to them as "it" is hostile and not professional at all, not to mention against the law.

>>379799735
>you'd also still be fighting with good old physical disc-based copy protections that would make backups impossible or much harder.
Are you sure about that?
I bought a new copy of the Warcraft 3 battle chest last year and all I had to do was put in the code that was on the case of the discs. All I had to do to back them up was literally copy and paste the game folder.
Whatever that DRM is called where you just have to put in the code, I would be willing to deal with that if it meant games came physically with the full game on the disc again.

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>>379779753

Valve is that mysterious boy/girl in your class/the bar who is attractive but rarely speaks; when she does, it's plain to see that he/she is a sweet talking hustler but very good and experienced at it.

MFW I sit back and laugh as I watch these legions of people throw themselves at that type of person/company and worship it fanatically.

>>379800604
please stay neet, friend.

>>379788532
>Being this new

>>379801493
its not against the law to call anyone it unless its your child or something

>>379800194
What are you talking about? If there was no Steam something else would have taken its place, only much later, which would just have delayed everything.

You are incredibly naive and have no basis for your notion that it would someone have made GOG appears sooner. The DRM situation would almost certainly have played out the same, over a similar timeframe.

>>379778726
>>379778821
>Citing reddit, even for images
Not gonna read

>>379801493

>illegal

Only in shit states that allow it. So glad I don't live in new york.

>>379788532
You need to be +18 for this site son

>>379802038
>says the guy who said 'if there was no steam and every would've been physical'

Yeah, nah.

>>379801493

>not professional

Do you even realize where you are right now? Is your mind that tiny that you think a place like /v/ is for professional individuals?

>>379801534
Some games just had CD keys, others had more troublesome protections where you couldn't make working ISOs of the discs without special drives or special software, and even that often wasn't enough, and you'd have to use no-cd cracks anyway.

If the market hadn't shifted to digital distribution you can bet your ass there would have been plenty more Denuvo-like companies inventing new copy protections for at least several years before the DRM-free movement had gotten a foothold.

>>379802787
hey faggot, they are talking about being in a professional envirnoment you idiot, nobody called for the opinion of the 4chan expert here.

>>379802796
>leddit spacing
opinion discarded

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>>379786212

>>379801930
Actually in a lot of states that would count as employee discrimination. Washington, where Valve is headquartered, is included in this list.

>>379802698
How's your reading comprehension? That post was a hypothetical situation in reply to the guy advocating for physical releases. Of course it would never actually have happened.

>>379801930
>>379802604
>being this goober and ignorant

vicarious liability, trumpanzees, educate yourselves holy shit

>>379803018
Yeah, and your hypothetical situation sucks :^)

>>379803136
Yes, that was the entire point of that post. Again, how's your reading comprehension?

This article is stupid. First of all, I don't think anyone, even Reddit, actually has an image of 'Good Guy Valve' anymore. Most people who use the software recognize that valve is at least a little scummy. Seriously, the article ends with calling valve 'The Good Guy that everyone is afraid to call out' like this is same brave piece of investigative journalism. Valve has been falling out of good graces since like 2011.

But it completely ignores how much worse of the PC gaming market would be without Steam. I think Steam has caused the PC gaming market to grow immensely. So many more companies which traditionally ignored the PC market like SEGA and Squenix are now releasing new titles onto PC, as well as porting old ones. In the first place, only an idiot would think that a major corporation is going to be their friend, much less one with a near monopoly over an entire market. That said, it could be a lot worse. The platform's DRM is relatively unobtrusive, they frequently have insane sales, and other things probably. Consider what a company like Comcast does when they establish a monopoly, and realize how much worse it could be.

>>379803286
Yeah, again how are you shitty opinions?

>>379803325
>I don't think anyone, even Reddit, actually has an image of 'Good Guy Valve' anymore
>"But look how much good Steam has done for gaming!"

https://pastebin.com/sCfEEdRU

Pastebin for the people who are too retarded to just click the article and paste it for everyone else, thus forcing them all to click it anyway.

>>379803325
>But it completely ignores how much worse of the PC gaming market would be without Steam. I think Steam has caused the PC gaming market to grow immensely.

Hypothetical bullshit and opinion ridden blabber. You have no idea how the market would be if steam didnt exist. Just stop spreading your nonsense diguised as fact.

>>379803325
>This article is stupid. First of all, I don't think anyone, even Reddit, actually has an image of 'Good Guy Valve' anymore
>But it completely ignores how much worse of the PC gaming market would be without Steam.

KEK

>>379803584
Yes and? Are you stupid enough to think that my two paragraphs contradict each other?

>>379802915
>making thing easier to read is bad
The second line was sufficiently disconnected from the first one for the break to be natural.

>>379799579

But hes right. Polygon is shit and our media is controlled by globalist special interest groups

>>379804117
BREAK THE CONDITIONING

N O W

>>379803821
Only Good Guys can do good

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>>379787438
That won't exist.

>>379801493

No they arent. Theyre unstable and disgusting, with some very rare exceptions.

Anyway, trannies are by nature sub human. If they werent then they wouldnt have the problems they have.

>linking polygon unironically
>let's other anons post an archive
You have to go back OP.

>>379804117
>video game journalists finally calling out valve's bullshit
>look over there!! muh lizard people

we're talking about valve and their "good guy" reputation here, you brain dead moran. please separate the two subjects

>>379773986
>linking to Polygon
fuck off reddit.

>>379803325
People dont fall for the "good guy valve" bullshit now, but they did until a few years ago. Even on /v/ you could see people acting as though Gabe was some sort of saviour as late as in 2014. In a way gamers are responsible for validating everything Valve has done, though. Consumers in this industry are the biggest doormats on the planet, and not just when it comes to Valve.

>Valve is bad because they're a business that likes to make money

You fucking NEETs are retarded. Thinking Polygon could write something insightful was the first giveaway

>>379804785

Learn how to spell and by the way, what are you even talking about? I never said anything of the sort.

>>379805194
the asshole, it's not about corporations making money, it's about how they love to fuck people over while doing it.

get your facts straight, shithead.

>>379804785

Looks like youre mad and pathetically trying to detract from his comment on our untrustworthy media.

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>>379780004
>TotalBiscuit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL3ZdFepBHY

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SJWs are literally JUST starting to realise no corporation, not even ones that painted itself rainbow for gay month is really on your side. It took that awful pepsi protest ad for them to wake up. They're not really getting it yet though which probably has something to do with why pepsi keeps showing up at antifa protests.

>>379805328
Put a pillow down so you don't scrape your knees while you're blowing Polygon you greasy, bloated shill

>>379805707
suck my dick :^)

>>379805194
>Thinking Polygon could write something insightful was the first giveaway

man, i hate this pol conditioning in ignoring what anybody says based on their last name or who pays them. do you seriously think there's a single person or entity in our civilization without some sort of interest and possible conflict of interest? no fucking surprise that you shit posters never respond to what they argue and resort to childish illogical fallacies such as this

>>379805145
>People dont fall for the "good guy valve" bullshit now, but they did until a few years ago.
Are you sure about that?

Look at this faggot right over here>>379805194
and say that again

>>379805865
>bringing up /pol/ out of nowhere
maybe you should go back to whatever subreddit you came from

>>379805865

Polygon writer detected

Fuck off dude. Your website is shit and it has nothing to do with /pol/

>>379806003
>>379806061
>no fucking surprise that you shit posters never respond to what they argue and resort to childish illogical fallacies such as this

Way to prove him wrong shitheads.

>>379805145

Well, part of the fact was that the tradeoffs you were making in exchange for using Valve's platform was not that horrendous.

But clearly they have started to abuse their monopolistic power on the PC, via paid mods and other bullshit with pricing and refund shenanigans while the customers and people who actually are clients get close to nothing in return.

>>379806273

You opened up with accusations of "pol conditioning" and you really think you have a leg to stand on?

Im laughing at how pathetic you are rn

>>379803325
>The platform's DRM is relatively unobtrusive, they frequently have insane sales, and other things probably. Consider what a company like Comcast does when they establish a monopoly, and realize how much worse it could be.

uhh did you read the article? it's saying steam essentially has that monopoly and stifles competition because its consumers are setting double standards against others, largely due to the meme following of GABEN.

>relatively unobtrusive DRM
you've got to be joking. steam is a console at this point, not really a surprise when traditional console developers are putting their releases on this platform as well. the irony is that pc gamers touted a free and open platform for both consumers and developers when it's not

>>379806456
Not even that same anon my dude.

>>379806528

Sure you arent

>>379806528
lmao uh huh. I wish we had IDs on this board so dumbasses like you can be exposed, seriously.

>>379805627
pepsi keeps showing up at protests because it's a funny joke and easy to throw at people

also if you think anarchists are just now getting hot about corporate power buddy i have news

>>379805865
>poor character not reflecting on arguments

lmao next you'll tell me the slope isn't slippery or the authorities you appeal to are actually valid. No, no I'm sure whenever you hear a hot topic you make sure to check in with conservative think tanks and PUA blogs because hey despite being garbage sources they might make a valid point!

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Valve: hey can you keep our profits secret? People are gonna hate us if they learn how much they're buying from us.
/V/: MONEY GRUBBING JEWS REEEEEEEEE
really makes you think

>>379806657
>>379806734
>if you agree with someone else your a samefag
>if you agree with a Polygon article your a shill

Starting to notice a distinct pattern of aggressive intellectual laziness.

>>379773986
>no mention of calling out paid mods
shit article
i bet they have one defending them

>>379799442
>literal microsoft
>stellar

When your other widely available choices are comparable to Apple, yeah

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>>379806894
>get BTFO
>pretend that you're someone else so you can save face
you know that's a thousand times more embarrassing right?

>>379780004
wtf i love valve now

>>379806894

Polygon is shit. You can agree with them even if they portray themselves as being heroic whistleblowers, but theyre still shit.

As far as agreeing with that other anon goes youre a idiot if you actually entertained his opening line.

Fuck off

>>379773986
polygon clicker shills these days..

>>379806789
>im buying and drinking this product ironically!

Wow you sure showed them. I've got some news for you if you think some liberal arts major looking to throw rocks at cops has any ideological commitment to anarchism.